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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 10:54:53 1998
From: "Allan, David (DS)" <dallan@dow.com>
To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: ABS air tanks BANTER
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:54:06 -0400 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

One of the old Beetles (1968?) used the spare tire to pressurize the
window washer tank. The valve stem had some kind of check valve to keep
you from running your tire down too far.

David Allan

> ----------
> From: 	maynedelacroix@juno.com[SMTP:maynedelacroix@juno.com]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:29 AM
> To: 	halloween-l@netcom.com
> Subject: 	Re: HALL: ABS air tanks
> 
> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:24:06 -0700  htraver@dreamsys.com writes:
> >
> >(Jerry on air tanks)
> >
> >THE FUNNIEST AIR TANK I HAVE EVER SEEN
> >
> >I work in the business of designing and repairing arcade games. One
> >time, we got this wierd test piece. It was a Sega driving game with
> air
> >effects. The TANK was a Volkswagon tire mounted inside the
> >cabinet!!!!!!!
> >
> >Harry
> >
> 
> Don't laugh, I had forgot about this but i saw someone using a spare
> tire
> as a tank for her airbrush once. 
> 
> Scott Waggoner ---- The original MiB
> The dread Lord Mayne
> 
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:08:14 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:05:08 -0400
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Elisabeth Nixon <nixon.45@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: HALL: e-mail for moving Halloween?
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I included in my original post the email of the editor of the Farmer's Almanac

Here it is:
Editor Peter Geiger, Philom. at  peterg@farmersalmanac.com

At 01:50 PM 9/1/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Is there an e-mail for the Farmer's Almanac and/or the supposed culprit of
>the Saturday Halloween movement? If lots of people voice opposition, maybe
>we can delete the publicity, and stop the movement before it gains momentum.
>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:09:29 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:08:27 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 07:21:44 EDT, you write:

> w with this peppers ghost, how big of a sheet of plastic do you need??
>  could somebody shed some more light on this cause I went to a couple of 
> pages
>  that had layouts on how to make one but all the electronic mumbo jumbo 
> really
>  threw me off.  Ugh!!  I'm sooo not mechanically inclined it's not funny.  
> Also
>  could you describe exactly where the figure should be placed in accordance
>  with the sheet of plastic??  And one more thing, can you just have it 
> running
>  all the time and not on a timer??  Now that is one thing I'll definitely 
> screw
>  up if I tried to build it.  LOL!!  With my luck I'll short out the whole
>  neighborhood LOL!!!  Thanks!!
>  Happy Haunting!!  Julie <I:O)
>  To unsubscribe, send email

Julie

In training my
marshal arts students, instead of showing them HOW to do
a particular sword blow, I show them WHY that sword blow
can trick the opponent into not blocking it.

Knowing why it works is more important. With this understanding
you can teach yourself the sword blow And you can use your own
creativity to come up with new ways to do it.

You should try to understand the principle
not just the steps. This will help you the most.

Look into a window.
Depending on the light, you will see the outside view,
and a reflection of your self.

This reflection will appear a distance behind the window.
This distance is equal to how far in front of the window you are standing.

Now when it gets dark out side, and you turn on the lights inside
your reflection becomes more intense and the out side view
becomes harder to see.

The only difference with the "peppers ghost" is that you are looking
at a subject other then your self, and YOU can control the light
"inside" and "outside" the "window".

You need to hide the subject so that you can see it only in the "window".
Most people do this by tilting the window 45 degrease to the viewer
and the subject (all though this is not the only way to do it!)

You may need to "hide" the window.
That is you want them to see the window and not realize
they are looking at one.
One way is to camouflage the edges of the window.
Some people use paint to surround the edges with a frame that 
would logically fit the situation.
In my book for instance I show how to paint the window
to look like a door with a large hole in it.

So it looks like you are looking into a room through a LARGE hole
on the door. 

Anything that you do not want reflected (such as the background  behind
this subject( should be colored black so as not to reflect in the "window".

I hope this helps.

Yours ghouly Jerry -

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:11:10 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:09:18 -0400
To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
From: Jim Kadel <jimk@rica.net>
Subject: RE: HALL: ABS air tanks BANTER
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Jerry,

Speaking of cars.. what about those
"air horns" that come with a compressor?

These horn compressors don't use an air storage tank;
it appears they put out a larger volume of air
(at lower pressure?) than the auto tire inflator, probably quieter
too.   It might be good to investigate if their air volume at lower pressure 
might be better for haunt use then the high pressure, low volume, hi
noise units.

Jim
==============  REF  =======================
At 01:54 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>One of the old Beetles (1968?) used the spare tire to pressurize the
>window washer tank. The valve stem had some kind of check valve to keep
>you from running your tire down too far.
>
>David Allan
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:12:56 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:11:51 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Hot Glue
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 13:59:18 EDT, you write:

> 
>  Don't know if it's just the high quality glue stick we use or not :-), but
>  with all the talk of glue you should be aware that expose to warm sunlight
>  causes our glue to become liquid again! Real problem for our outdoor props
>  left up during the day.
>  Karl
>  Visit the Pirates of Emerson web site at:
http://members.tripod.com/haunted
>  

I have tried to convince the managers at craft stores to
supply HIGH temp glue sticks.

I do not know why more people have not compalined 
about there crafts melting inside of a hot car at craft
fairs!

So I buy high quality high temp sticks
from tool supply places.

jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:15:31 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:14:27 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: question for DON or anyone who knows....
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 13:55:17 EDT, you write:

> 
>  Jerry;
>  Eudora has that capability.
>  
>  At 12:16 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>  >In a message dated 98-09-01 19:04:44 EDT, you write:
>  >
>  
>  >Someone off list joked about a filter that would dump
>  >any email with the words OFF LIST in the subject line.
>  >
>  >I was just wondering if that is possible?
>  >
>  >thanks
>  >jerry ^v^
>  

well...I mean so that the list does not brodcast mail
like that, not so I could dump it at my end!
The damage is done when it is "published" to
every list member.

It was just a thought

jerry ^v^ 
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:23:26 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:21:13 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: ABS air tanks BANTER
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 14:12:37 EDT, you write:

> Jerry,
>  
>  Speaking of cars.. what about those
>  "air horns" that come with a compressor?
>  
>  These horn compressors don't use an air storage tank;
>  it appears they put out a larger volume of air
>  (at lower pressure?) than the auto tire inflator, probably quieter
>  too.   It might be good to investigate if their air volume at lower
pressure 
> 
>  might be better for haunt use then the high pressure, low volume, hi
>  noise units.
>  
>  Jim

I have looked at these aready.
Pressure is less then 2 psi and it is VERY noisy!

You just do not hear it becuase of the HORN!

jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:26:02 1998
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:06:03 -0700
From: Trevor Trent <t-trent@ti.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Urine-directional
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Diane and John Kochefko wrote:
> 
> Stop the p*ss*ng contests. Stop whining about whose is bigger or better.
> Don't get defensive if someone doesn't like your haunt, your style, or your
> hair coloring, or whatever. Has anyone noticed the females seem to be
> outside these arguments? It seems the only ones involved in this mindless
> banter are those whose plumbing can be called "urine-directional" i.e.: they
> can spell their names in the snow. Back to bigger and better things, boys.
> And I don't mean your egos. ; )
> 

Diane,

	I know i'll probably make you mad by saying this, but it seems to be in
the air this week.

	How can you ask people to quit the name calling and childish behaviour,
and then justify it with a statement meant to be offensive to the
"urine-directional" individuals on the list like myself?

	I know you were probably kidding; maybe not, but I wanted to send a
gripe out today and I feel much better now that I did.  Thanks!!!

				Trevor

P.S. I can write my name a lot bigger than any of the other men out
there!!!!
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:26:07 1998
From: coolghouls@iname.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:25:41 -0400 (EDT)
To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
Subject: HALL: Re: Long Public Rant was Appology 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

JD wrote: 

> Ok I give up, which is it? Fire inspectors are too 
> strict or not strict enough from your point of view? 
> In one post your frustrated by being "put through the > hoops" by overzealous fire inspectors for 20 
> years.....and now your saying in the "large majority 
> of cases" they're  either unknowledgeable or lax....

Hi, JD!

Let's see how many people I can make upset today...  ;)

It's the old NIMBY syndrome, JD.  You know...Not In My Back Yard.  (Example:  We need a new landfill.  But NIMBY.)  or (What this country needs is more nuclear missiles.  But NIMBY) or We should throw all politicians out of Washington.  Except my representative.  He's the greatest since George Washington)...and last, but not least, "The Fire Inspectors need to be more strict (but NIMBY)."  The Fire Inspectors are *only* strict to the people you talk with.  Face it...how many people have you ever heard admit that the inspector was too LAX on them?

If I took all the horror stories I've been told about inspectors who are too ignorant, or too lax, or who are "on the take," I could start a whole new cottage industry in Fire Inspector Urban Legends.  That's not to say the codes aren't inconsistent or that whoever is reading this hasn't been affected in one way or another...I get the idea, though, that Fire Inspectors somehow fall below Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich (choose your poison ;) on the evolutionary scale.

For the record, I've never experienced these problems.  Am I somehow unique?  Am I the *one and only person* who has learned how to work with their local officials?  If so, let me know.  I'll bottle and sell it for big $$$...

 

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:30:20 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:29:09 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 13:50:20 EDT, you write:

> Case in point.  I just rec'd yet another 
>  Harbor Freight catalog - you know they
>  offer free shipping for orders over $50.
>  
>  Their 1/4" NPT Air Pressure Regulator with 160 psi gauge
>  item # 36797-1UWA  sells for $ 5.99
>  
>  I supposed that you were building units to sell; however,
>  I see your point of not using surplus if you're supplying
>  construction plans only.
>  
>  Jim
>  ===

um .....jim....those are FLOW control not pressure control.
The advertiser screwed up the description
or is just Pauline false advertising it.

Order one and see for your self!
"let the buyer beware"!

They do sell a pressure regulator for $10 
But how would that help keep the tank
from getting to full or prevent the 
compressor from over working against the blockage?

Or do you mean just use it as part of the outgoing 
air control FROM the tanks? 
jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:31:14 1998
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:11:04 -0700
From: Trevor Trent <t-trent@ti.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Urine-directional
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Diane and John Kochefko wrote:
> 
> Stop the p*ss*ng contests. Stop whining about whose is bigger or better.
> Don't get defensive if someone doesn't like your haunt, your style, or your
> hair coloring, or whatever. Has anyone noticed the females seem to be
> outside these arguments? It seems the only ones involved in this mindless
> banter are those whose plumbing can be called "urine-directional" i.e.: they
> can spell their names in the snow. Back to bigger and better things, boys.
> And I don't mean your egos. ; )
> 

OOOPS!!

I might have made a mistake in my last message.  I assumed Diane sent
the message above.  John, if you sent this I have to commend you.  You
complain as well if not better than my wife.

				Trevor
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:33:11 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:32:08 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Re: Long Public Rant was Appology
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 14:26:43 EDT, you write:

> For the record, I've never experienced these problems.  Am I somehow unique?
>  Am I the *one and only person* who has learned how to work with their local
> officials?  If so, let me know.  I'll bottle and sell it for big $$$...
>  
>   
>  
>  Evil Doc Stu         

I would buy it!
How much for you to fly out to Calif
to deal with my local codes/politics?

You would be underpaid at any price!

jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 11:40:24 1998
From: JMeils42@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:37:50 EDT
To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
Subject: Re:  HALL: Tesla Coil Help
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Hi,

	Since I'm not familliar with how much electrical experience you may have, I
can't really help you with any specific answer. I can tell you that the
construction of a Tesla coil is vastly more difficult than a jacob's ladder.
Each coil has several major components, many of which need to be custom made.

	TRANSFORMER: you will need a neon tube type, with 15kv output or higher.

	CAPACITOR: There are several companies which supply these. They should be
made as robust as possible in order to withstand the abuse that is placed on
them. 

	SPARK GAP: One of the easier components to build yourself, consisting of a
series of gaps between metal contacts. When using a neon transformer, you will
want a minimum of 5 gaps. I suggest you use some solid steel drawer pulls for
them, and space them less than 1/16th of an inch apart. 

	PRIMARY COIL: Essentially a series of insulated wire loops at the base of the
secondary....the exact number of loops to tune the resonant field is pretty
much trial and error. 

	SECONDARY COIL: this is a long, non-conductive tube wound with very fine,
coated copper wire. It's exact length and diameter is based on a rather long
mathmatical formula, which only serves as a starting point. You have to make
three or four of these before you nail the actual dimentions. 

	DISCHARGE TORROID: This can be as simple as a metal sphere, but for the most
dramatic results, a horizontal metal hoop os best. You can make one from metal
ducting and use some thin alunimum sheet for the center disk. 

	Just for your information, before we built any of the tesla coils we sell, we
built several prototypes before we got close to the final design. This can get
rather expensive, since the wire we use costs almost $75 a spool. 
	My only advice to you is to continue as you have been, checking out the
various TC builder's sites on the net. These guys always have some little
trick to help you along. 
	Good luck!

Joe
"DiaboliCo"

P.S.  Don't use the recently declassified papers on the "Philadelphia
Experiment" as a starting point. We did, and the thing that came through the
interdimentional rift we accidentally produced was really pissed! :)
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:00:44 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:00:54 -0400
Subject: Re: HALL: El Cheapo Rug Gator
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Pete Hardie <pete.hardie@sciatl.com>
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Jim Kadel wrote:
> 
> Speaking of cheap..
> 
> I see where "Bright Life" catalog [800-396-7110]
> sells a plastic three piece "garden alligator" for
> $7.99 (2 for $14.).
> 
> You know those gators that look half buried in the lawn.
> 
> There's got to be a haunt use for these. Use them as molds,
> for plaster, or some such material and paint um with UV
> paint.  Look good maybe coming thru the floor or rug?

Great for a swamp scene.  Add 2 red/orange LEDs for eyes,
and a photocell to activate them on a flashlight beam hitting
the head, and you've got a pretty lifelike gator!

-- 
Pete Hardie                   |   Goalie, DVSG Dart Team
Scientific Atlanta            |
Digital Video Services Group  |
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:15:31 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:14:08 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Question about fog/smoke machines
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-08-31 22:10:23 EDT, you write:

<< Ok, I've got a question for all you smoke/fog machine owners out there. If
I
 were to put a layer of plexi-glass 1/2 ft. down from the ceiling so that it
 would create a mostly sealed in area, and I pumped in smoke, would it look
 like clouds? Or would it look like the smoking section of a restaurant?
  >>

I'm not an expert, but i think if you alternated with blasts of clear air it
might look like clouds.  Otherwise all the fog would even out.

Regards,
Scott
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:15:57 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:14:17 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Question about fog/smoke machines
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-08-31 22:10:23 EDT, you write:

<< Ok, I've got a question for all you smoke/fog machine owners out there. If
I
 were to put a layer of plexi-glass 1/2 ft. down from the ceiling so that it
 would create a mostly sealed in area, and I pumped in smoke, would it look
 like clouds? Or would it look like the smoking section of a restaurant?
  >>

I'm not an expert, but i think if you alternated with blasts of clear air it
might look like clouds.  Otherwise all the fog would even out.

Regards,
Scott
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:15:58 1998
From: JLISA1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:14:52 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Hi Julie,
  I am figuring out how to make a peppers ghost also, and I think (hope) I
have some of the stuff figured out. As far as how big a piece of plastic, and
size you want. It just has to be big enough to cover the 45* angle. I was
going to use the entire window in my living room which is 10' wide, but I
would need 15' of plastic which would just be too big. Now what I am going to
do is use just the middle section which is 6', an need only 9' of plastic.
Also I am not going to use a timer, curcit or anything fancy. I am just going
to have a solid light on something. Try to follow the KISS method, Keep It
Simple Stupid. Then you can always add more after it is done. 
 As for how far back the ghost should be,  it needs to be out of view from the
area people are looking directly into. Also with the peppers ghost, the
distance the ghost from is from the plastic at a 45* angle will be how far it
apperas to be in your scene. If you have it 5' from the glass, it will appear
to be 5' behin the plastic in your scene.
 And for all the instruction sites, I coppied and pasted and then just removed
all the electronic stuff...
   I hope this makes it a little clearer..
    Julie
     Jlisa1@aol.com

In a message dated 9/2/98 11:17:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Vampira70@AOL.COM
writes:
<< Now with this peppers ghost, how big of a sheet of plastic do you need??
 could somebody shed some more light on this cause I went to a couple of pages
 that had layouts on how to make one but all the electronic mumbo jumbo really
 threw me off.  Ugh!!  I'm sooo not mechanically inclined it's not funny.
Also
 could you describe exactly where the figure should be placed in accordance
 with the sheet of plastic??  And one more thing, can you just have it running
 all the time and not on a timer??  Now that is one thing I'll definitely
screw
 up if I tried to build it.  LOL!!  With my luck I'll short out the whole
 neighborhood LOL!!!  Thanks!!
 Happy Haunting!!  Julie <I:O) >>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:19:04 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:19:06 -0600
From: "Mark Clune" <CluneMark@otsahq.bliss.army.mil>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re:  HALL: Tesla Coil Help
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>>Just for your information, before we built any of the tesla coils we sell, we
built several prototypes before we got close to the final design.

Joe
"DiaboliCo">>

How much do you sell these for and can you offer a description of what these end up looking like and what they do?

Thanks!
Mark Clune

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:26:30 1998
From: "Fields, Karl" <KFields@radiantsystems.com>
To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:25:49 -0400 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Now that is dedication.  - you are removing your living room windows for the
peppers? Wow, I am humbled! Another nice effect is to have a small fan on
the ghost, if it is draped in lightweight covering.
Karl
Visit the Pirates of Emerson web site at:  http://members.tripod.com/haunted

> From:	JLISA1@aol.com [SMTP:JLISA1@aol.com]
> going to use the entire window in my living room which is 10' wide, but I
> would need 15' of plastic which would just be too big. Now what I am going
> to
> do is use just the middle section which is 6', an need only 9' of plastic.
> 
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:39:57 1998
From: David Kiihne <daveki@fes.org>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: RE: HALL: FW: You're Moving Halloween? (banter)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:32:54 -0500 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Elisabeth Nixon (nixon.45@osu.edu) wrote:
[Regarding the reply from Sandi Duncan of Farmer's Almanac]
>You're right--she does sound like she has a bug up her tush.

Must be all them dang snack crackers she keeps eating.  I know *I'd* be a
bit cranky from the side effects of eating all that fiber.  ...Oh wait, this
is "Sandi" with an "I"!  ...Nevermind.

Dave - daveki@fes.org

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:44:31 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:34:44 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Ysengrin Werewolf <ysengrin@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: HALL: Re: Long Public Rant was Appology 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 02:25 PM 9/2/98 -0400, coolghouls@iname.com wrote
>For the record, I've never experienced these problems.  
>Am I somehow unique?  Am I the *one and only person* who 
>has learned how to work with their local officials?

We haven't had trouble with fire inspectors either here in Terrell or back
in Forney (our old location), but Lance had a lot of trouble with one fire
inspector back in Arlington. That he was dating the inspector's daughter
seemed to be the root of the problem.

Having worked at a civil engineering firm for many years, some of the
building inspectors I've run across were way, way out in left field. Most
aren't, but those few that are - because it's so expensive and usually
futile to contest them - really stick out. For example, one city inspector
had us pull out all the federally-mandated handicapped ramps (despite them
being on the city-approved plans, too) because they "attracted
skateboarders." That one wasn't haunt-related, and is by far the exception
rather than the rule, but it does show that an inspector with a personal
agenda is quite capable of ignoring the law in favor of his agenda. If that
agenda is "no haunted houses" then you're going to have a lot of grief.

Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane)
Member Verdun Manor pack
http://www.verdunmanor.com/
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:45:27 1998
From: Vampira70@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:44:02 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: A grave situation: Year 2000
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

That was a very interesting article.  And it did fit this mail group nicely.
I'm glad I don't have my tombstone precarved.  LOL!!!
Happy Haunting!!! Julie <I:O)
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:50:09 1998
Subject: Re: HALL: Epitath
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 12:51:27 -0800
From: The Sound Commando <bruce@hively.net>
To: "halloween-l" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On 9/2/98 06:16 I received email from DonJohn002@aol.com which stated ...

>..... It was dusk when he stopped in front of a gravestone which caught his 
eye.  As
>crisp oak leaves blew around him reading the epitath made him quake.....  
>

  I LIKE IT!  Think I'll use that one.  I also like the embelished 
discription with the oak leaves blowing.  Thanks, Don.

Bruce

N.Bruce Hively,MPSE        I "The impossible is merely
ECCENTRONICS               I  that which is beyond the
Technical Director         I  scope of one's imagination"
email: bruce@hively.net    I        - NBH '95

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:50:11 1998
Subject: HALL: Pic-N-Sav deliveries
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 12:51:32 -0800
From: The Sound Commando <bruce@hively.net>
To: "halloween-l" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

  For anyone shopping at Pic-N-Sav, they recieve their deliveries on 
Thursdays.  So if they are out of something you liked (or you bought out 
something and want more), check back on Friday.

N.Bruce Hively,MPSE        I "The impossible is merely
ECCENTRONICS               I  that which is beyond the
Technical Director         I  scope of one's imagination"
email: bruce@hively.net    I        - NBH '95

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 12:50:15 1998
Subject: RE: HALL: question for DON or anyone who knows....
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 12:51:29 -0800
From: The Sound Commando <bruce@hively.net>
To: "halloween-l" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On 9/2/98 08:30 I received email from Fields, Karl which stated ...

>With Outlook you can set a Rule to delete the email if any phrase you select
>is in the subjuect line.
>Karl

  EMAILER will also let you set up mail actions to sort, file, respond or 
delete mail based on content of subject line, msg. body, who from or the 
reply to address, etc..    Without this filing feature I could never 
handle the volume from the list and still be able to deal with client and 
family mail.
  Further, I have found utilities for free (at download.com) that allow 
me to archive the postings I wish to keep.  This also became neccesary, 
as my email software stores ALL mail in one data base file.

N.Bruce Hively,MPSE        I "The impossible is merely
ECCENTRONICS               I  that which is beyond the
Technical Director         I  scope of one's imagination"
email: bruce@hively.net    I        - NBH '95

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 13:04:43 1998
From: David Kiihne <daveki@fes.org>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: RE: HALL: RE:   IN-DOOR GRAVEYARD
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:43:13 -0500 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Dracula144@aol.com wrote:
>Count Dracula
>144 Borgo Pass
>Castle Dracula, Transylvania 82569

That's odd.  I thought Transylvania's zip code was 65000.  (Some jokes are
just for me.)  :)

Seriously though.  I like the idea for the cemetery.  I'm sure it would be a
nice addition to many of the indoor haunts some local groups (youth groups,
scout troops, etc) put on.

And since it is viewed through a "window" it is a perfect candidate for
adding (my favorite) a Pepper's Ghost illusion to.  I can just see it now.
Stand a G.I. Joe over a bloodied Ken doll with another Ken doll in ghost
form floating out of the dead body.  Not too scary, but I'd pay to see it.
:)

Dave - daveki@fes.org

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 13:05:18 1998
Subject: Re:  HALL: Tesla Coil Help
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 13:06:43 -0800
From: The Sound Commando <bruce@hively.net>
To: "halloween-l" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On 9/2/98 10:37 I received email from JMeils42@aol.com which stated ...

>P.S.  Don't use the recently declassified papers on the "Philadelphia
>Experiment" as a starting point. We did, and the thing that came through the
>interdimentional rift we accidentally produced was really pissed! :)

Joe,

  LOL    Yeah! When I tried that I ended up back in 1983.  Scared the 
hell out of me cause disco was playing everywhere.
  BTW - Has anyone thought of or tried using a Van DeGraff generator?

Bruce

N.Bruce Hively,MPSE        I "The impossible is merely
ECCENTRONICS               I  that which is beyond the
Technical Director         I  scope of one's imagination"
email: bruce@hively.net    I        - NBH '95

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 13:16:42 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:11:41 -0700
From: #mmarcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: a fond farewell banter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bob,
  as usual you have given me my first smile of the day!!! The witch has
never looked better!!
the new kid on the crypt

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 13:20:35 1998
From: JLISA1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:19:36 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Umm, no. I can't take out the windows. It is divided because the two sides
slide open, the center is solid. If you look on my outdoor FCG page you can
see the window  <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/JLISA1/fcg1.html">Julie's
Window FCG</A> .... I wanted to use the whole window, but i am going to cover
most of it except for the middle...
  Julie
   Jlisa1@aol.com

<< Now that is dedication.  - you are removing your living room windows for
the
 peppers? Wow, I am humbled! Another nice effect is to have a small fan on
 the ghost, if it is draped in lightweight covering.
 Karl >>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 13:25:45 1998
From: Vampira70@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:24:19 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 9/2/98 6:30:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Spookyfx@aol.com
writes:

<< Anything that you do not want reflected (such as the background  behind
 this subject( should be colored black so as not to reflect in the "window".
 
 I hope this helps.
  >>

Any advice that anyone gives is greatly appreciated!!  I'm gonna give it a
shot and see what happens.  Now, how do you hand the plastic??  I'm gonna be
doing this  through a window.  Also, what kind of light is best used???  A
black one? And I shine the light right on my figure correct??  Sorry about all
the ????
Happy Haunting!!  Julie <I:O)
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 13:27:53 1998
From: Vampira70@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:26:33 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 9/2/98 7:30:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, JLISA1@aol.com writes:

<< And for all the instruction sites, I coppied and pasted and then just
removed
 all the electronic stuff...
    I hope this makes it a little clearer.. >>

Like I said before, any advice is greatly appreciated!!!  I'm going to go and
cut and paste myself LOL!!  Thanks, Julie!!
Happy Haunting!!  Julie <I:O)
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:04:11 1998
From: David Kiihne <daveki@fes.org>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: RE: HALL: Haunted Houses & the Church Controversy
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:45:32 -0500 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

David Schwend (brotherfear@juno.com) wrote:
>(Husband's Note)  Check Out http://www.oneonta.ORG/

Thanks for the extra information and the link to the page.  It was very
informative!

Dave - daveki@fes.org

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:06:43 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:22:51 -0500
From: Drfrightner <darkness@primary.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: To Larry: Re: haunting as a business (quality versus quantity)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I agree with you 110% Incubus.  This is why I hate leaving messages over
the internet.  Its really hard to explain what you really mean because the
message has no personality or you can't stop if someone misunderstands.  I
think thats how this whole argument got started.  I was backing up Johns
point of view and Leonard thought that I was taking a stab at him and he
jumped all over me without even asking what I meant.

I thank you for being 100% more couteous!  I will try to explain a little
better.

> You wrote:
> "I know this one thing about haunted houses... people will come to my
> show and say that some little house down the street was better.  I
> know that isn't true otherwise I wouldn't be doing thousands of people
> and that little show is doing only hundreds."
>
> I understand what you are saying but promotion and hype (which will
> generate large crowds) doesn't AUTOMATICLY mean better. (This is not
> in reference to your show so don't take it personally. I am simply
> trying to make a point.)

Your right!

>
> I have been to many high volume places that SUCKED big time because in
> many cases they had no interest in haunting, just money and they had a
> huge advertising budget.  (Once again, I am not referring to you.)
> Why our local concert promoters put on a "haunted house" is beyond me.
> You can tell they just want to make a buck.
>

Again you are right!

> That's fine with me, but that is why many of my guests tell me that my
> place blows theirs away. (I am not implying that you don't care about
> haunting. I am just giving a local example that bigger doesn't mean
> better. BTW, Do you notice that I keep putting in disclaimers to avoid
> getting into one of those silly arguments? I sure hope it works. I
> don't have time for that s**t.)

No arguement.

>
> That is exactly correct, and believe it or not, that is what some of
> wish to accomplish.  I intentionally stopped working with larger
> places and began to run a small place that is designed to my standards
> of haunting.

There is nothing wrong with that!

>
> You said early on in you message that people sometimes comment that
> the "little house down the street was better" and you said that isn't
> true because you have a much higher volume. Now you say that with a
> small crowd you can "give them a better show." Sometimes there is a
> huge difference between quality and quantity.

No I disagree.  Just like the Democrats have one way of thinking different
than the Republicans.  Does that mean that since they both have different
ideas of what works that you can't try and see both sides of the issue?  I
am a very open minded person contrary to what Leonard would say.  I can
understand both sides and I think this gives me an advantage because your
willing to try different things.

>
> My place is not a business, nor will we ever try to be.  There is
> NOTHING wrong with large attendance and big business, it just isn't
> the goal for some. I prefer to take my guests on an interactive tour
> that goes for a different type of scare.

I understand that but keep in mind that my show will generate well over a
million dollars this year but I will be lucky to make anything if
everything doesnt go right.  To run a big show you must generate high
traffic.  When you use to have a smaller show I made a lot more money than
I do today.  Most people on this list do Halloween for fun and thats
great.  I started out the same way and I still love Halloween as much if
not more than anyone I know.  I was lucky I get to do this everyday of the
year!  Every small haunter has dreams of making it bigger, attracting more
people and doing something great.  I started off as small as you could.
It took me 10 years but hear I am.  I havent made much money in this
business because Im just like you.  I want to spend all my money of the
best show and I want everyone to have a great time.  Slowly I relized I
need to make money or else I want have anything.  I know most people on
this list don't make money from doing a Halloween show.  If I had another
job I would do the same thing.

>
> "
>
> My goal is always a slow, great show. Please remember, this is not to
> say that you are wrong if you a looking to run a business.  But you
> yourself said that if you run them through slow, you can "give them a
> better show."  That is why when you said "people will come to my show
> and say that some little house down the street was better" it may not
> be true in your eyes, but it is in theirs.  And the name of the game
> is entertaining and scaring the guest.

Let my say one thing...I came from the smallest of shows.  I big dog
around the corner did 20x more poeple than us but everyone who came
through our place said we were better.  We were better because we actally
could scare the customers better.  We could give them 110% of our
attention.  Our "show" wasnt better it was just the fact that we could
give them more attention.  Thats what I mean...one year I had some charity
haunt guy tell me "everybody says we're the scariest haunted house in town
10x better than the Darkness".  Well thats fine but I know it isnt true.
If I was doing there attendence people wouldnt even make it out the door
alive plus they would see top notch effects, props and sets.  Thats whay I
mean but thats not to say that a smaller haunted house couldnt be better
in every area because they could.  Hope this clears things up.

> The one thing that you must remember is that this is NOT a business
> for some, (the majority of this list I would guess) and that is the
> way we would like to keep it. Feel free to take on the other big boys
> and compare notes but leave us starving artists out of it. We don't
> want high volume, just quality.

You know what you can give them both and still be a success.  Come down to
St. Louis and I'll show you that it can be done!  If you really knew me
you would know quality is the only thing that drives me!

Larry Kirchner

>
> Incubus
>
> ==
>
> Come Inside The Haunted Chamber
> http://www.geocities.com/area51/dungeon/9689/index.html
>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:09:24 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:25:13 -0500
From: Drfrightner <darkness@primary.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: To Larry: Re: haunting as a business (quality versus quantity)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Creepshow,

You are a perfect example of someone who strives for quality because you love
Halloween.  But on the other hand you know you must generate dollars.  Your
enthusiasm, dedication and hard work will eventually put you were you want to be!

Good luck with that radio advertisment!

Larry Kirchner

CREEPSHOWS@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-09-02 09:27:36 EDT, you write:
>
> Larry said:
> << "Tell me if you had 3000 screaming fright fans in line are you going
>  to turn their business away?  No you're going to send them through
>  faster.  If you have a small line your going to send them in very slow
>  so they can get a great show.  You have to remember this is still a
>  business."
>   >>
>      I wouldnt turn them away for one reason....we all need to make money in
> this business if it's our job. You have to make money to continue in this
> business, if not your going to go down under. No money ..no show...no show..we
> wouldnt be having this coversation. A show can be still good with a big
> attendance....you just have to find one.
>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:19:26 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:42:05 -0500
From: CrazyTony <anthony@crazytonys.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Epitath
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

While we're on the subject:
I saw a stone with:
Here Lies
Ron D. Vous
He met with death.

I thought it was pretty funny.

Tony

DonJohn002@aol.com wrote:

> I was discussing the Grave2K post with a co-worker and he told me a story of
> when he was about 13...  He was walking home after a late afternoon movie and
> taking a shortcut through the graveyard behind City Hall in Quincy Mass.  It
> was dusk when he stopped in front of a gravestone which caught his eye.  As
> crisp oak leaves blew around him reading the epitath made him quake.  It was:
> Ruth Pope
> Stop by here my friends
> As you pass by;
> As you are now
> So once was I.
> As I am now
> So you must be.
> Prepare for death
> And follow me.
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:22:16 1998
From: "Rick Schnetzler" <rschnet@ctllc.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: HALL: Moving\New Name
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:25:28 -0500
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

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hi all

Just wanted to pass this by.. my haunted attraction, "Schoolhouse of =
DEATH" has now moved!!! and it has a new name.
it is
WAREHOUSE OF HORROR
418 East Main Street
Thayer, IL 62689

-Rick

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:22:47 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:45:18 -0500
From: CrazyTony <anthony@crazytonys.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs [R
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Or load the pumpkin as a pumpkin surprise (using dynamite, tnt, gunpowder)
and blow the sh*t outta 'em.

Rick Futrell wrote:

> You could always buy a sonic deterrent to run the little buggers
> off......
>
>  ----------
> From:  halloween-l[SMTP:halloween-l@netcom.com]
> Sent:  Wednesday, September 02, 1998 11:10 AM
> To:  Halloween-L@majordomo. Netcom. Com
> Subject:  HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs [RANTING]
>
>  ----------------------------------------------------
> Well it looks like my plan to not pay alot for pumpkins this year was
> foiled
> by cute fuzzy animals.
>
> I was only a little upset when the deer ate all of the flowers off of my
> pumpkin vines preventing 7 extra pumpkins from growing and I don't really
> care about the tomatoes, but this morning as I stood in the kitchen
> looking
> out back to my prized pumpkin I noticed it was an off-white color not a
> mild
> orange.
>
> So before I left for work I went to examine it.  To my horror all of skin
> was gnawed off, my neighbor reported to me that a ground hog was eating
> it
> yesterday evening, she scared it off but the damage was done.  The
> pumpkin
> next to it poof gone, vanished,  dragged off to some terrible
> subterranean
> fate of being eaten alive.
>
> So what purpose do ground hogs serve, other than becoming road kill and
> digging large holes and of course eating my pumpkins?
>
> I figure I have two options dust off the bow and see if I'm still a good
> shot, or payoff the seven turkeys that hang out in the back yard to guard
> the last pumpkin.
>
>  Brian S. Jazudek
>
> "Dig through the ditches,
>  Burn through the witches
>  I slam in the back of my
>  Dragula"
>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:27:46 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:25:38 -0400
To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
From: Jim Kadel <jimk@rica.net>
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Jerry,

My error in thinking this was for pressure regulation.
"Caveat Emptor" is right!

*If* a true pressure regulator,
is placed between compressor and storage tank/s,
wouldn't its output setting (downstream side) become
the upper air pressure limit held in the tank/s?  I thought
you were looking for a way of holding tank pressure
lower than that of the compressor's maximum?

Jim
==========  REF ========================
At 02:29 PM 9/2/98 EDT, I wrote:
>> Case in point.  I just rec'd yet another 
>>  Harbor Freight catalog - you know they
>>  offer free shipping for orders over $50.
>>  
>>  Their 1/4" NPT Air Pressure Regulator with 160 psi gauge
>>  item # 36797-1UWA  sells for $ 5.99
>>..snip..

> to which Jerry replied:

>um .....jim....those are FLOW control not pressure control.
>The advertiser screwed up the description
>or is just Pauline false advertising it.
>
>Order one and see for your self!
>"let the buyer beware"!
>
>They do sell a pressure regulator for $10 
>But how would that help keep the tank
>from getting to full or prevent the 
>compressor from over working against the blockage?
>
>Or do you mean just use it as part of the outgoing 
>air control FROM the tanks? 
>jerry ^v^
=======================

Haunt Master Products, Inc.
http://members.aol.com/hmpi
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:30:45 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:46:21 -0500
From: Drfrightner <darkness@primary.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: RE:Salem banter (WAS: "Big time attendence")
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Michael Hios wrote:

> When you say "I know it isn't true..." are you saying that you disagree
> with their opinion, or are you implying that the other house isn't better
> because there are more people in line at your house?  The argument that
> something is better because more people have seen it is futile. It can be
> applied to any number of things outside the "haunting world." If a sports
> team has more fans does it mean that the team is better than any other?

NO Im saying that its because they can give more attention to their customers
andpeople like that when you can chase them from room to room!  I just can't do
that
but if I had their attendence the customers would leave in body bags plus they
would
see great effects, sets, detail, etc.  I have no choice but to put tons of
people through my haunted house otherwise I would be in backruptcy court.  ANY
SHOW would be 100x better if they could seperate the group by about 5 minutes.
I just can't do that...its IMPOSSIBLE!  All the same people still get scared
and for the most part say it was the best haunting experience they ever had.

> I totally agree with this point, but I do not see how it applies to what I
> said earlier.  I have gone through "Terror" when it was busy and when it
> was not so busy.  The difference in the experience is worlds apart.  What I
> meant to point out is that I think that the quality of the show at Mayhem
> Manor will not be compromised by the large number of Halloween visitors.
> Again, Everything I have said is NOT derogatory to any of John's shows. I
> am only expressing *my* opinions.

I think your opinion should be valued as much as anyones!  But you are dead
wrong about MM being the same show with 5 people or 5000.  It would not be the
same show matter fact you would have more unhappy customers than Terror because
at least at Terror you will see some awsome effects, sets, etc.  ON any given
day either show could be scarier because of actors.  If you have good acting
that night you stand a chance for a couple heart attacks LOL!  Lets be honest
Terror has a better show so based on that acting is the only difference.  If MM
has better actors well then you could be right...its scarier.

>
> It may be true that 'Wharf ' will do more volume, but again, that doesn't
> make it a better show.

I agree!

>   It is apparent that you dislike Mayhem Manor.  I have no quarrel with
> that. I *personally* don't find MM plain. But, here is where our main
> difference lies: You said "...overall feeling of being in something really
> haunted. "   To me, "being in something really haunted." does not mean
> dazzling SFX.  It does not mean animatronics.  (Don't get me wrong, because
> I am floored by these things.) To me, "being scared" IS the the difference
> between  watching a show and being part of it (or in your words:"being in
> something really haunted." )

If we are talking about a haunted mansion lets say...I imagine cobwebs, dust,
rotted wood, old rotting furniture, old pictures and the maze seeming like your
walking from one room into another.  Not plain walls, black paint, blood and an
obvious maze.  Thats not what people want and people who bought those types of
attractions from whatever vedor didnt have good feedback from the customers.
Thats why people that can deliever both scares and realism have done better
selling haunted houses.  It is possible to do both it just takes more
creativity and hard work.

> I beg to differ. Terror did not deliver the scares (*MY OPINION*)

As I said acting varies from night to night.

> I am not a haunt professional so I can not testify to this, but this is a
> valid point and I sincerely believe you.

Thanks.

>
> Maybe not everyone, but I think if your place is set up right, you can get
> most.

THE ONLY WAY ITS POSSIBLE is by having tons of actors.  Take Knotts for example
do you think they employ 200 actors because they want to?  NO WAY!Labor costs
money and thats big time costs!  They do it because they dont break
groups up they just let you go in.  The faster you put them through the more
actors you going to have to have.  Knotts wants to do 30,000 people a night
then they have to employ a lot of actors.  Do you think they could get the
scares with half the actors?

>
> >
>
> I never visited MSG, so I can't say, but I have been to NYC, and after an
> "unplanned tour of the subway system" I can't see those people being scared
> anything!  ;^D

LOL

>
> Maybe so.  When I was young I remember the great fun houses that I visited.
>  All of them were scarier than 'Terror'

Well you just had one bad experience...try it again!

> I don't see what all of Leonard's houses have to do with this conversation.
>  I have only been to Mayhem Manor, so that was the topic of the discussion.
>  I fear that this conversation may be turning into a Leonard slam-fest. I
> definitely do not want to be part of a blasting against anyone.

Its not...Leonard makes the statements that he can't back up.  All the same I
dont want to be slamming anyone either.  I just want to respect other peoples
opinion without taking them personal.  With Leonard...he just makes that hard.

> Again, our notions of "a place that's haunted" are wildly different.

Not really!

>
> Darkness sounds like a great haunt and I will make a point to visit
> someday.

Well I think that John Elton Floyd will be up this year to video tape it and do
it justice.I will be more than happy to share that footage with you.

>
> Movies don't scare me.

The Exorcist still scares me to this day.  But overall they dont scare me
either.

> >
>
> Sadly, this may be true, but again I recall those fun houses of old and
> think "Boy, those were great.  It's too bad they're no longer around, be
> cause I'd visit them all the time."

I love dark rides, fun houses, anything like that as well!

>
> > Ive seen people at our haunted house so scared they won't even go in even
> after
> > spending $13.00 on the ticket.  You will always get that in a haunted
> house.
>
> It's funny when people won't go in, but what I was talking about was people
> going in and THEN chickening out.
>
> > But I understand why you like MM and thats great.  Im offering you advice
> on
> > what works on the long term
>
> And I thank you for sharing that advice with me.  I always appreciate when
> professionals impart their hard-earned wisdom upon me.
>
> >and in my opinion MM II won't be around long.  It
> > doesnt fit the theme of the area or live up to the standard of the other
> > attractions detail.
>
> I disagree that  any of the haunted attractions fit the "theme of the area"
> It is my understanding that the "powers that be" as well as the historians,
> and the pagan and wiccan communities in Salem are looking to turn the
> "haunted" image around.  Unfortunately, it appears that Eric R. is having a
> heck of a time getting clearance to set up Ghostly Manor due to this
> "anti-haunted" sentiment.  Even further, the mayor is declaring that the
> city will spend no money in support of the "Haunted Happenings" events this
> year.
>
> But as far as MM standing with the rest of the haunted attractions, I think
> it does very well.
>
> > > What area do you live in?
>
> I grew up in Salem, and now live just over the bridge in Beverly.
>
> >
> > > PS:  Im always civil when speaking with someone who will be respectfull
> of
> > > the fact that people have different opinions.  Some people just think
> we
> > > should all think a like.  I will always respect anothers persons
> > > opinion...ALWAYS!
> > >
>
> Thank you.  I am in no way trying to sway your opinion. On that note, I
> think it's time to turn my opinion machine off to give the listers a break
> (Sorry Guys!)
>
> Larry, let's continue this off-list my email address is
>  mhios@ma.ultranet.com
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Hios
> mhios@ma.ultranet.com
> http://www.ultranet.com/~mhios
> AOL IM: HauntWeb
>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 14:42:07 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:41:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Bell <dbell@TheBells.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Jim Kadel wrote:

> *If* a true pressure regulator,
> is placed between compressor and storage tank/s,
> wouldn't its output setting (downstream side) become
> the upper air pressure limit held in the tank/s?  I thought
> you were looking for a way of holding tank pressure
> lower than that of the compressor's maximum?
> 
> Jim

Sounds right to me, Jim. The other issue he brought up was the compressor
working into the "closed" regulator, and running continuously. What you
really want here is the pressure regulator *switch* on a normal
compressor. This has a dial you adjust to set the upper pressure limit,
and that's where the switch opens, shutting off the compressor. When the
pressure drops below that point by some margin (usually *not* settable),
the switch closes again. This provides a relatively constant reserve
pressure, and some hysteresis to keep the compressor from turning on and
off continuously. I imagine you can buy one of these switches fairly
cheaply, as a replacement part for a commercial compressor...

Dave

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 15:05:58 1998
From: JLISA1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:03:45 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

HA HA  HA , No. They don't work.I know, I spent $29.95 last year for one to
get rid of my mole. HA, HA HA. The next day he had dug a ton right around it.
It was mole muzac. He is still here (over a year later) and nothing works.
Even pouring gasoline in the holes and lighting it on fire, yes my uncle
actually tried this (for a gopher). Aslo smoke bombs just make the ground look
like it is smoking. Poison hasn't worked. Flooding just will temporarly move
him, but they come back angry and dig even more. My mole will push up a mound
of dirt in the front in different areas on different days. Today will be right
by the driveway. Tommorw will be near the street. I recomend that you change
your will leaving the house to the groundhog. He will probally outlive you,
your children, grandchilddren, and so on.
   Good luck,
     Julie
      Jlisa1@aol.com

In a message dated 9/2/98 8:42:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
RFutrell@pagemart.com writes:
<< 
 You could always buy a sonic deterrent to run the little buggers   
 off......
   ----------------------------------------------------
 Well it looks like my plan to not pay alot for pumpkins this year was   
 foiled
 by cute fuzzy animals.
 I was only a little upset when the deer ate all of the flowers off of my
 pumpkin vines preventing 7 extra pumpkins from growing and I don't really
 care about the tomatoes, but this morning as I stood in the kitchen   
 looking
 out back to my prized pumpkin I noticed it was an off-white color not a   
 mild
 orange.
 
 So before I left for work I went to examine it.  To my horror all of skin
 was gnawed off, my neighbor reported to me that a ground hog was eating   
 it
 yesterday evening, she scared it off but the damage was done.  The   
 pumpkin
 next to it poof gone, vanished,  dragged off to some terrible   
 subterranean
 fate of being eaten alive.
 
 So what purpose do ground hogs serve, other than becoming road kill and
 digging large holes and of course eating my pumpkins?
 
 I figure I have two options dust off the bow and see if I'm still a good
 shot, or payoff the seven turkeys that hang out in the back yard to guard
 the last pumpkin.
 
  Brian S. Jazudek
 
 "Dig through the ditches,
  Burn through the witches
  I slam in the back of my
  Dragula"
  >>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 15:14:44 1998
From: "Fields, Karl" <KFields@radiantsystems.com>
To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs (banter)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:14:57 -0400 
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Hey Julie - great idea you've come up with with the smoke bomb! Who needs a
stinin' fogger if the smoke is actually coming up out of the ground!
Karl
Visit the Pirates of Emerson web site at:  http://members.tripod.com/haunted

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	JLISA1@aol.com [SMTP:JLISA1@aol.com]
> Aslo smoke bombs just make the ground look like it is smoking.
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 15:21:36 1998
From: JLISA1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:19:31 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 9/2/98 3:15:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
KFields@radiantsystems.com writes:

<< Hey Julie - great idea you've come up with with the smoke bomb! Who needs a
 stinin' fogger if the smoke is actually coming up out of the ground!
 Karl >>
The smoke is toxic, and smells really really bad, and it isn't much smoke, and
really stinks....
  Julie
   Jlisa1@aol.com	 
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 15:27:23 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:26:01 -0400
From: Mark Jones <jomark@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Games
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Here's one for you:
	My friends and I often do theme parties with costumes and games.   (at
other times then Halloween too!) One year we had a "Serial Killers"
theme party.  I took a large peice of foil insulated foam sheeting,
painted it white; painted a body outline on it and we played pin the
knife in the victim.  And yes we do have a twisted sense of humor. :)

Mark
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 15:27:35 1998
From: Z0MBIE98@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:24:40 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Masks
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

They are in the process of updating their site. It sould be ready towards the
end of sept.
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 15:47:41 1998
From: Z0MBIE98@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:46:37 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Masks and Figures
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I normally make my standing figures out of chicken wire. and then just slide
them over a base made out of plywood and 2x4. The base also has 2 5' pieces of
PVC pipe sticking out of it that will go through the legs and body up to the
shoulders of the figure and will mount to the base. 

Base

  ___               ___
  l    l               l    l 2x4 
  l    l               l    l
  _______________
  l                         l
  l      Plywood       l    Two 5' pieces of PVC will also be mounted onto the
plywood.
  l                         l     You can do this by drilling 2 holes and
filling them with glue
  _______________                               before puting in the pipes.
  l    l               l    l
  ___  2x4        ___

  
                    ___
                  /       \
                 l         l
                 \        /
        ________________
       /       x         x         \
      l     l   x        x    l      l
      l     l   x        x    l      l                       X= Pvc
      l     l   x        x    l      l
      l     l__x____x__l      l                  
      -------l  x       x    l-------
             l  x       x    l
             l  x    l  x    l 
             l  x    l  x    l
             l  x    l  x    l 
             l  x    l  x    l
             ---x-------x-----
       _____x____x________
                  Base

Matt
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 16:11:59 1998
From: SCPhillipp@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:10:39 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I was told, to get rid of moles, put a couple of sticks of Juicy Fruit gum in
the holes,
they eat it and it clogges them up and they die. Never tried it, dont know if
it works or not.

steve phillippy
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 16:24:04 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:23:09 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 17:44:27 EDT, you write:

> and that's where the switch opens, shutting off the compressor. When the
>  pressure drops below that point by some margin (usually *not* settable),
>  the switch closes again. This provides a relatively constant reserve
>  pressure, and some hysteresis to keep the compressor from turning on and
>  off continuously. I imagine you can buy one of these switches fairly
>  cheaply, as a replacement part for a commercial compressor...
>  
>  Dave
>  

wow....this thread went way out!

The cheapest pressure switch I have found was $30

That would about DOUBLE the cost of Mr el chepo air compressor!

That is why I avoided it in the first place.

jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 16:24:05 1998
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:53:13 -0500
Subject: Re: HALL: Ghost
From: maynedelacroix@juno.com (SCOTT A WAGGONER)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:52:45 EDT Vampira70@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 9/2/98 8:11:50 AM !!!First Boot!!!, 
>maynedelacroix@juno.com
>writes:
>
><< Take this advice to heart, you can make almost anything out of PVC, 
>duct
> tape, hot glue, and spray adhesive.  >>
>
>I think I know where you're coming from.  Now here's another stupid ?? 
> What
>is PVC?  I know about the hot glue and spray adhesive, but have no 
>idea where
>to start looking for PVC.  ;O)  Thanks for the help!!!
>Happy Haunting!!  Julie <I:O)

PVC pipe. It is the white plastic pipe you see in the plumbing section.
Cheap and lightweight. 

Scott Waggoner ---- The original MiB
The dread Lord Mayne

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 16:40:28 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:40:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Bell <dbell@TheBells.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-09-02 17:44:27 EDT, you write:
> 
> > and that's where the switch opens, shutting off the compressor. When the
> 
> wow....this thread went way out!
> 
> The cheapest pressure switch I have found was $30
> 
> That would about DOUBLE the cost of Mr el chepo air compressor!
> 
> That is why I avoided it in the first place.
> 
> jerry ^v^

Admitted...  On the other hand, it would probably more than DOUBLE the
life of the El Cheapo tire compressor!

Dave

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 16:46:37 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Incubus and Spidella <hauntedchamber@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: To Larry: Re: haunting as a business (quality versus quantity)
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Creepshows wrote;
"A show can be still good with a big attendance....you just have to
find one."

I agree 100%.  I have seen some GREAT shows that did wonders with big
attendance. My post to Larry was just to express that bigger does not
mean better. Each haunt must be judged on it's own merit, no matter
what the size.

Incubus

==

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:00:39 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:59:17 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 17:28:46 EDT, you write:

> My error in thinking this was for pressure regulation.
>  "Caveat Emptor" is right!

No....you were lied to by the advertisement.
I had a argument with one of the clerks
at the one of their stores over it.
They did not concede until another
customer (who said he was a engineer)
agreed with me and then the clerk claimed it must have
been a simple mistake from the advertiser.

yeah....right....

I feel sorry for people who do not know the difference,
buying this and screwing up there air light duty tools or paint
job because the pressure was MUCH higher then
it was suppose be!

anyway.....

>  
>  *If* a true pressure regulator,
>  is placed between compressor and storage tank/s,
>  wouldn't its output setting (downstream side) become
>  the upper air pressure limit held in the tank/s?  I thought
>  you were looking for a way of holding tank pressure
>  lower than that of the compressor's maximum?
>  
>  Jim

Well the problem is that the regulator would BLOCK
the passage of air from the little compressor to the tank.

This would greatly overwork the little compressor.

A relief valve would redirect the air to the outside
environment FROM the tank.
The compressor still pumps the air it just does not go
into the tank.

jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:06:24 1998
From: Spookyfx@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:05:01 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: cheap compressor
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 19:41:14 EDT, you write:

> 
>  Admitted...  On the other hand, it would probably more than DOUBLE the
>  life of the El Cheapo tire compressor!
>  
>  Dave
>  

not worth it in my mind.
The lttle compressor only costs 10 to 18 dollars.

Remeber also this thread was not for a quality compressor
but for as cheap a unit as could be made
that would last the a few Halloweens .
Kind of a TRIAL unit to lead up to a REAL one.

Myself, I would not use this at all.
But some people would like to try air
effects for as little an investment as possible.
That is were I am going.

jerry ^v^
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:18:39 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:17:57 EDT
To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
Subject: HALL:Front door makeover
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

The front door to my house is metal, painted hunter green.  I kinda wanted to
make it look like an old wooden door.  
 
I had an idea to get a peice of paneling, cur it to size, and attach it to the
door with that flexible magnet tape around the entire edge.  Think this might
work?
 
Oo! Oo! I just had another idea.  I might be able to use 1/2 inch foam the
same way.  It would certainly be lighter.
 
Of course I couldn't cover the part of the door that was covered by the
doorjamb.. But it might look cool anyway.
 
Any ideas?
 
Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:18:39 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Anderson <davea@fidalgo.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: McFrugals
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Kathy:

You are 100% right. I called up the corporate office hoping to see if they
would ship to me in Seattle, (since I moved from S.Cal last Nov) and they
are not setup to ship. Luckily the Pic N Save (MacFrugals in N. Cal) was
in my brothers city (Sunnyvale).

However, the Pic N Save (McFrugals) said if the store is out of stuff,
have them order it for you. The warehouse is full.

On another subject, I enjoyed your article in the Halloween mag. Good Job 
Roxanne, Can you explain your CO2 effect in more detail. I would like to
do that also.

Dave Anderson

Come visit the Haunted Wharf in Anacortes, WA. 
Oct 24,25,30,31 1998

On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, #mmarcrum wrote:

> Hey Erica,
>    We went there the other day and we bought a ton of stuff for the
> going away party for Bob Andrews. We needed several of a certain item
> and they were out of stock on the floor. The manager went in the back
> and let us dig in the shipment that just came in and find what we
> needed!!! You won't find that in the big stores!   We have found some
> great things there that we can mess with and make work!
>     Also here in Sonoma the Rite Aid has a great talking skull...with a
> little work it can make a great opener for the doorway!
> the new kid on the crypt
> 
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:19:00 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:17:58 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 02:00:47 EDT, you write:

<< OK...
    I would say that this group as a whole are against this idea!! >>

Ok, just to take up bandwidth, and be difficult...

I'd rather have Halloween on a Saturday.  The adults can party on Friday, The
kids can trick-or-treat on Saturday, and you clean up on Sunday.
 
You can't compare Halloween to other holidays, because you don't get time off
for Halloween (like you go for Christmas and Thanksgiving).  
 
Just my opinion
 
Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:19:06 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:17:50 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Blue freakin spray paint
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-08-31 23:27:06 EDT, you write:

<< Not to ramble here but why is it, when you
 ask a salesperson for something (i.e.blue flourescent spary paint) and
 they dont have it, they ask, "What do you want it for?"  Well, to spray
 paint something blue, stupid!  JEEZ! >>

They usually ask because if they know what you are going to use it for, they
might be able to suggest a substitute.  Not that you can find a substitute for
flourescent blue paint.
 
I had a similar experience at Home Depot.  WHen i started describing my
Halloween activities, I got a very weird look.  I just said "never mind" and
slunk away.
 
Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:19:12 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:17:54 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Alien Display
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-08-31 21:55:37 EDT, you write:

<< >
 >     For one of the coming up halloweens I am planning on making a alien
 > display. 

SNIP

 If anyone
 > has any ideas to add to or improve the display please reply.
 > >>

The old Robert Morris haunted house book had a good idea.  You have a TV
dressed up to look like a ships monitor screen.  Record something like a
ship's log, where an actor on the screen tells about the ship picking up an
alien lifeform and it killing everyone onboard, ending with "Oh my God here it
comes!".  Then the screen goes blank.  Then the alien jumps out.
 
Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:22:39 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:18:01 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: peppers ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

<< > What do you use for the frame?
 Best think i have seen is electrical conduit. you can get corner elbows,
 joints and Tees to peioce it together just like using PVC, but it doesnt
 bend like PVC.  >>

The above message was about the peppers ghost illusion
 
Could you use a window screen frame?  You might be able to mount the plastic
with the spline that usually forces the screen into the groove in the frame.
 
Does anyone know if this would work?

Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:39:08 1998
From: "Shadow" <shadow24@flash.net>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: Epitath
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:39:51 -0500
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Anyone have any ideas for some serious sayings on some tombstone?

kenny

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:39:23 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Anderson <davea@fidalgo.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: HALL: Lava Lamp
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Anyone know how to create a cool lava lamp for little $$. The good ones
cost quite a bit. I have a 70's retro room in the haunt. DISCO is gonna
die.......

Dave Anderson

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:41:46 1998
From: "Shadow" <shadow24@flash.net>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: HALL: Terxas Meeting
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:41:26 -0500
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

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Any details on the meeting date and time yet? Or where we'll meet =
exactly?

Kenny

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:44:34 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:57:06 -0400
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: ron byrd <lastframe@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: wicked/ WHAT???/BACON
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that Willie Shakespear had any help bringing
home the BACON !!!

Hauntingly yours,

Ron             EireShade   Keeper of the Legend
Haunted House on Foxcroft Lane
in the tradition of the
Haunted House of Joppa

" More wolfbane, Van Helsing??"
         VvvV

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:44:47 1998
From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: HALL: Halloween week
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:44:12 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I still think there should be a Halloween week instead of just day :-)

Thanks, Neal at Shadowy Lane
...when the crypt doors creek and the tombstones quake.....

http://members.tripod.com/~nem86

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:47:31 1998
From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: peppers ghost
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:47:12 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

or 2x2's and plexi anything that is fairly strong for the shrink wrap or use
plexi...its works better but cost is higher..if you make one you want to
make a couple more and you'll love the effect

Thanks, Neal at Shadowy Lane
...when the crypt doors creek and the tombstones quake.....

http://members.tripod.com/~nem86

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
> [mailto:owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com]On Behalf Of
> SMessin983@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:18 PM
> To: halloween-l@netcom.com
> Subject: Re: HALL: peppers ghost
>
> << > What do you use for the frame?
>  Best think i have seen is electrical conduit. you can get corner elbows,
>  joints and Tees to peioce it together just like using PVC, but it doesnt
>  bend like PVC.  >>
>
> The above message was about the peppers ghost illusion
>
> Could you use a window screen frame?  You might be able to mount
> the plastic
> with the spline that usually forces the screen into the groove in
> the frame.
>
> Does anyone know if this would work?
>
> Regards,
> Scott Messinger
> "It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:50:02 1998
From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: Blue freakin spray paint
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:49:35 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I tell the sales people its a proto type for some puter stuff and keep it
very vague...surpassingly they try a little harder :-)

Thanks, Neal at Shadowy Lane
...when the crypt doors creek and the tombstones quake.....

http://members.tripod.com/~nem86

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
> [mailto:owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com]On Behalf Of
> SMessin983@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:18 PM
> To: halloween-l@netcom.com
> Subject: Re: HALL: Blue freakin spray paint
>
> In a message dated 98-08-31 23:27:06 EDT, you write:
>
> << Not to ramble here but why is it, when you
>  ask a salesperson for something (i.e.blue flourescent spary paint) and
>  they dont have it, they ask, "What do you want it for?"  Well, to spray
>  paint something blue, stupid!  JEEZ! >>
>
> They usually ask because if they know what you are going to use
> it for, they
> might be able to suggest a substitute.  Not that you can find a
> substitute for
> flourescent blue paint.
>
> I had a similar experience at Home Depot.  WHen i started describing my
> Halloween activities, I got a very weird look.  I just said
> "never mind" and
> slunk away.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Messinger
> "It's looking at me Ray!"
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:03:19 -0400
To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
From: ron byrd <lastframe@mindspring.com>
Subject: HALL: FREE elevator Plans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Sorry to put this on the list.

Don Lutz:  Your plans are in the mail.  Thank you.
Have fun.

Hauntingly yours,

Ron             EireShade   Keeper of the Legend
Haunted House on Foxcroft Lane
in the tradition of the
Haunted House of Joppa

" More wolfbane, Van Helsing??"
         VvvV

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 17:50:29 1998
From: larry@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:49:18 -0600 
Subject: HALL: Complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magaz
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I would love a complimentary issure of your magazine. My mailing address
is
Larry Neirynck
2623 15th. ave.
Rock Island Il.
61201

HA>Just wanted to re-extend my offer to Halloween-list members for one
HA>complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magazine. This offer will be good
HA>for the current issue, #2, up until September 13. The issue features a
HA>story by our own Kathy Marcrum about her haunt in California. The big
HA>Halloween issue, featuring Elvira on the cover, will be out on September
HA>14 and will be available for purchase either as an individual issue or as
HA>part of a yearly subscription.

HA>To receive your complimentary copy, please email me your name and mailing
HA>address.

HA>Happy Halloween!
HA>Rochelle Santopoalo
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:08:34 1998
From: "John Denley" <boneyard@erols.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: RE:Salem banter (WAS "Big time attendence" )
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:44:19 -0400
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

We'll I guess your right, after all Leonard's own magazine rated his own
attraction #1 in Salem even before he opened! How can I compete with
that!!!Maybe John Lennon will come out with another as well...some things
truly are amazing!!!  :)
                                               Sincerely,
                                         John Denley
PS. This whole thing makes me wan't to put my hands on the person's
shoulders in front of me!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hios <mhios@ma.ultranet.com>
To: 'halloween-l@netcom.com' <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:24 AM
Subject: HALL: RE:Salem banter (WAS "Big time attendence" )

>Even *IF* I did, would that take away my right to an opinion?
>
>Michael Hios
>mhios@ma.ultranet.com
>http://www.ultranet.com/~mhios
>AOL IM: HauntWeb
>
>On Tuesday, September 01, 1998 10:34 PM, John Denley
[SMTP:boneyard@erols.com] wrote:
>
><regarding Mayhem Manor II>
>> Do you work there?
>
><SNIP>
>
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From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: Complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magaz
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:09:25 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

for all the people who put there snail mail addy on the list...you might not
want to do that...lol...email your snail mail addy to him not the list...its
never a good idea to broadcast your REAL addy openly on the net.....

Thanks, Neal at Shadowy Lane
...when the crypt doors creek and the tombstones quake.....

http://members.tripod.com/~nem86

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
> [mailto:owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com]On Behalf Of
> larry@qconline.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 6:49 PM
> To: halloween-l@netcom.com
> Subject: HALL: Complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magaz
>
> I would love a complimentary issure of your magazine. My mailing address
> is
> Larry Neirynck
> 2623 15th. ave.
> Rock Island Il.
> 61201
>
> HA>Just wanted to re-extend my offer to Halloween-list members for one
> HA>complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magazine. This offer
> will be good
> HA>for the current issue, #2, up until September 13. The issue features a
> HA>story by our own Kathy Marcrum about her haunt in California. The big
> HA>Halloween issue, featuring Elvira on the cover, will be out on
> September
> HA>14 and will be available for purchase either as an individual
> issue or as
> HA>part of a yearly subscription.
>
> HA>To receive your complimentary copy, please email me your name
> and mailing
> HA>address.
>
> HA>Happy Halloween!
> HA>Rochelle Santopoalo
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:14:15 1998
From: "Guardian" <guardian@dungeons-of-chaos.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: Lava Lamp
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:13:14 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Dave;

I don't know if you have a Spencers Gift's near you or not, but they have
been selling fairly cheap looking one's (don't know what they are actually
selling cost wise) for about 6 months now.  If you don't have a Spencer's
near you try the Universal Studios site <www.universalstudios.com> and check
the Spencer's Gifts site.  They had the lava lamps listed and they prices
but I didn't much pay attention to them.

Guardian

-----Original Message-----

>Anyone know how to create a cool lava lamp for little $$. The good ones
cost quite a bit. I have a 70's retro room in the haunt. DISCO is gonna
die.......

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:27:11 1998
From: "Erica" <Asmodeus-1@worldnet.att.net>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: Peppers Ghost
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:02:46 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

-SNIP-

>You should try to understand the principle
>not just the steps. This will help you the most.
>

-SNIP-
>Yours ghouly Jerry -
>
Exactly! I am forever trying to figure out how a thing works so that I can
adapt it for my own perposes. It is ever so much fun.
-Erica-
Asmodeus-1@worldnet.att.net

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:29:20 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:28:20 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Masks and Figures
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 12:51:46 EDT, you write:

<< <<  Does anyone have an idea of how to make one that can stand by itself?
>> >>

Check out the hockey mask guy
(http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/4387/hockey.htm) at Cliff's Haunted
Projects (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/4387/)
 
By the way, you can find a link to cliff's page and other home haunters at my
Halloween page :
http://members.aol.com/Smessin983/Halloween/Halloween.html

Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:29:41 1998
From: SMessin983@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:28:29 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Masks and Figures
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 98-09-02 12:51:46 EDT, you write:

<< <<  Does anyone have an idea of how to make one that can stand by itself?
>> >>

Check out the hockey mask guy
(http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/4387/hockey.htm) at Cliff's Haunted
Projects (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/4387/)
 
By the way, you can find a link to cliff's page and other home haunters at my
Halloween page :
http://members.aol.com/Smessin983/Halloween/Halloween.html

Regards,
Scott Messinger
"It's looking at me Ray!"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:30:11 1998
From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: "'Halloween-L" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: HALL: $20 skeletons 5 feet tall
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:29:56 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I'm using a cheep skeleton for my peppers ghost its the kind you get at the
spirit halloween stores. I got some green florescent paint and dusted the
skeleton and then sealed it with some clear coat then used some cheese cloth
as a death shroud I dust that very lightly with the green and used some flat
black on the edges to make it look aged. It came out looking great!!!! O do
ALL FLORSINT PAINTING UNDER A BLACK LIGHT that way you know what it will
look like...and how much of a mess your making at the same time...lol

Thanks, Neal at Shadowy Lane
...when the crypt doors creek and the tombstones quake.....

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:45:46 1998
From: "Calliope" <calliope@execulink.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: RE: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs [R
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:40:21 -0400
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Does anyone have any chemical free way of detering squash borers from my
pumpkins???

I had 4 beautiful pumpkins that I had to harvest in July before the borers
did...they would have been huge if I could have let them grow!!!

calliope

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 18:48:18 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:47:35 -0500
From: Diane Miller <facklam@geocities.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

> << OK...
>     I would say that this group as a whole are against this idea!! >>

I've asked my kids about it, and they are totally opposed to changing it. I'm
thinking of sending the farmers almanac site page to school with my oldest (9),
and see if I can't flood farmers almanac with opposing letters, written by the
children!

Diane

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:02:58 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:05:34 -0400
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: csilvia9@idt.net (Silvia)
Subject: Re: HALL: peppers ghost
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>In a message dated 9/1/98 9:21:14 PM !!!First Boot!!!, JLISA1@aol.com writes:
>
><< I decided to make a peppers ghost this year and I want to use the window
> shrink wrap. How do you use window shrink wrap?  >>
>
>What is a peppers ghost and how do you make it??
>Happy Haunting!!  Julie <I:O)
]

Julie not sure if I gave you a welcome or not? Anyway WELCOME to the list
great to see new gouls with lots of posts. One suggestion, please read the
archives!

Happy haunting!!

Christopher
isolated looney

Visit my Crypt

UPDATED June 16, 1998

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/9860/

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:03:02 1998
From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: [Fwd: Fw: FW: Disney]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:02:55 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

dont forward spam here

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
> [mailto:owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com]On Behalf Of Matt
> Brittain
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 6:30 AM
> To: Susan West; Renee' Snider
> Cc: Craig Brittain; Beachfriek@aol.com
> Subject: HALL: [Fwd: Fw: FW: Disney]
> 
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:15:37 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:12:28 -0400
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Elisabeth Nixon <nixon.45@osu.edu>
Subject: HALL: Re:Stop the Spam[Fwd: Fw: FW: Disney]
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Please stop the spam.
_______________________________________________
Elisabeth A. Nixon
Graduate Assistant to GEC Coordinator
Center for the Study of Teaching and Writing
338 Denney Hall
292-6065
nixon.45@osu.edu
URL: http://www.cohums.ohio-state.edu/cstw/
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:15:38 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:13:16 -0400
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Elisabeth Nixon <nixon.45@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Kudos!
That's a great idea. 

At 08:47 PM 9/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> << OK...
>>     I would say that this group as a whole are against this idea!! >>
>
>I've asked my kids about it, and they are totally opposed to changing it. I'm
>thinking of sending the farmers almanac site page to school with my oldest
(9),
>and see if I can't flood farmers almanac with opposing letters, written by
the
>children!
>
>Diane
>
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_______________________________________________
Elisabeth A. Nixon
Graduate Assistant to GEC Coordinator
Center for the Study of Teaching and Writing
338 Denney Hall
292-6065
nixon.45@osu.edu
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:28:44 1998
From: "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: RE: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:28:26 -0700
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

...I think I missed something here...is farmers almanac trying to move
halloween?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com
> [mailto:owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com]On Behalf Of Elisabeth
> Nixon
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:13 PM
> To: halloween-l@netcom.com
> Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
>
> Kudos!
> That's a great idea.
>
> At 08:47 PM 9/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >> << OK...
> >>     I would say that this group as a whole are against this idea!! >>
> >
> >I've asked my kids about it, and they are totally opposed to
> changing it. I'm
> >thinking of sending the farmers almanac site page to school with
> my oldest
> (9),
> >and see if I can't flood farmers almanac with opposing letters,
> written by
> the
> >children!
> >
> >Diane
> >
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> >
> _______________________________________________
> Elisabeth A. Nixon
> Graduate Assistant to GEC Coordinator
> Center for the Study of Teaching and Writing
> 338 Denney Hall
> 292-6065
> nixon.45@osu.edu
> URL: http://www.cohums.ohio-state.edu/cstw/
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:36:38 1998
From: greghope@juno.com
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:07:57 -0700
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Well, maybe that's what we should be writing our congresspeople for!  I'd
be willing to trade a holiday or two for more time in October.

>You can't compare Halloween to other holidays, because you don't get 
>time off
>for Halloween (like you go for Christmas and Thanksgiving).  

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From: greghope@juno.com
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:00:23 -0700
Subject: HALL: Mini-get-together
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Thanks to John for his warm hospitality to Thomas and me on Tuesday
evening. It was a short meeting, with the three of us sharing
experiences, admiring Thomas' rats nest and 5-foot candelabra, and
drooling over John's collection. The castings looked great, John, and I'm
sorry that I couldn't see your haunted tree in daylight. Are the San
Diegans ready to take a shot at a day more suitable to a larger crowd?

Greg in Vista

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:37:26 1998
From: greghope@juno.com
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:05:32 -0700
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween week
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

It's coming. I think we can take it as a good sign that Halloween
paraphernalia hits the retail shelves almost as early as Xmas
decorations. :-)  I'm looking forward to the evolution of a holiday
season for Halloween, just as the month of December is given over to
Xmas.  (Did I just say evolution, Halloween and Christmas in the same
sentence?  Slap!)

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:44:12 -0700 "Neal CM" <nem86@hypersurf.com> writes:
>I still think there should be a Halloween week instead of just day :-)
>
>Thanks, Neal at Shadowy Lane
>...when the crypt doors creek and the tombstones quake.....
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~nem86
>
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:37:28 1998
From: greghope@juno.com
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:11:47 -0700
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Productions Video's
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 05:16:01 -0500 Drfrightner <darkness@primary.net>
writes:
<snip>

> I must admit that it offers little in the way of building techniques. 
<snip>

>The third tape is more a video talking about marketing and tips to
>becoming a successful haunted house operator.  It offers tips on how 
>to do that...again offering little in the way of construction
techniques.
<snip>

>The newest tape is the best because its the newest one. 
<snip>

>I'm sorry you didnt like the first video and your not the only one who
>didn't.... I hope you do purchuse our newest tape and 
>let  me know what you think even if you don't like it.

ROFLMAO!!!

Sorry to everyone.  I know that quotes should be shorter than replies
but, well, sometimes the quotes speak for themselves.  This is great
stuff!!

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From: greghope@juno.com
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:33:35 -0700
Subject: HALL: Re: haunting as a business (quality versus quantity)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:22:51 -0500 Drfrightner <darkness@primary.net>
writes:
>I agree with you 110% Incubus.  This is why I hate leaving messages 
>over
>the internet.  Its really hard to explain what you really mean because 
>the
>message has no personality or you can't stop if someone 
>misunderstands. <snippo>
==========================================================
On the contrary, Larry (wow, a rhyme).  With a good command of the
language,
email can allow you to convey your thoughts with great precision.  As a
matter
of fact, you can stop to erase an unclear statement, think over what
you're
trying to say, check spelling and grammar, even leave copious messages
against your own will.  You're in control...until you hit the send
button.
==========================================================
>> "I know this one thing about haunted houses... people will come to 
>my
>> show and say that some little house down the street was better.  I
>> know that isn't true otherwise I wouldn't be doing thousands of 
>people
>> and that little show is doing only hundreds."
=========================================================
You know, after a year, I still get shivers when I read about "doing
people"
who visit an attraction.  I'm probably inferring too much, but it just
has
the tone of pushing paying patrons through a haunt like cattle. 
=========================================================
<snippo>
> Every small haunter has dreams of making it bigger, attracting 
>more
>people and doing something great.  
=========================================================
Perhaps, but I doubt it.  Some people feel that to allow a profit motive
to
enter their pastime would pollute the air.  I'd love to make a living
designing
haunts, but I still wonder if I would feel compromised the first time I
made
a decision that I knew would result in an inferior result  in favor of
preserving 
 the bottom line.
=========================================================
> I havent made much money in this
>business because Im just like you.  
=========================================================
Hmm...

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:42:57 1998
From: "Calliope" <calliope@execulink.com>
To: <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: HALL: Halloween Moving?? (banter)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:38:32 -0400
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Hey now that is a good idea

I will take Halloween off as a holiday over ANY of the other holidays we
are given!!!!

I am taking a vacation day the day before just to get into the right mood.

calliope

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:45:02 1998
From: "Tristine McKee" <tristine_m@hotmail.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magazine
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:44:09 PDT
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>Me too, Please!  
>
>Kim Herring
>4760 Saddle Ridge Road
>Powder Springs, GA  30127
>
>Thank You!
>
>>Would love to have complimentary copy of your magazine!
>>
>>Please mail to:
>>
>>Tom Hoey
>>4747 Hollywood Blvd. Suite 111
>>Hollywood, FL 33021
>>
>>Me three please!!
Tristine McKee
2877 36th Avenue
Sacramento, CA 95824
Thank you!

>>>Greetings Fellow Ghouls,
>>>
>>>Just wanted to re-extend my offer to Halloween-list members for one
>>>complimentary issue of Happy Halloween Magazine. This offer will be 
good
>>>for the current issue, #2, up until September 13. The issue features 
a
>>>story by our own Kathy Marcrum about her haunt in California. The big
>>>Halloween issue, featuring Elvira on the cover, will be out on 
September
>>>14 and will be available for purchase either as an individual issue 
or as
>>>part of a yearly subscription.
>>>
>>>To receive your complimentary copy, please email me your name and 
mailing
>>>address.
>>>
>>>Happy Halloween!
>>>Rochelle Santopoalo
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 19:47:20 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:10:42 -0500
From: CrazyTony <anthony@crazytonys.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: [Fwd: Fw: FW: Disney]
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Allright, how stupid do you have to be?
1. Walt Disney had 2 daughters
2. There is no program encoded in ANY email to track ANYTHING. Emails are PLAIN TEXT
only.
3. Why would Bill Gates give you money to test his crappy products?
4. Last week we we were informed of this spam.

Tony

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 20:22:58 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:24:32 -0500
From: Baskerville <remo@crtelco.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Pumpkins/ I hate groundhogs [R
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Ahhh! A subject I love!!!!! There are several ways.  One is to encourage
strong vines, water the vines well everywhere that a leaf grows from the
vines, the plant will drop roots from these areas. Keep your soil
healthy with generous amendments of compost and fish emulsion.  Squash
Borers look like orange fuzzy moths with black dots on the abdomen and
black wings as adults, mash em all on sight!  They tend to lay their
eggs(small orange dots) at the base of the main stem, scrape em off when
you find them.  Look for green "frass", a sawdust looking material at
the base of the main stem that will indicate that a borer larva has
entered you pumpkin vine.  If this happens, you can carefully slit the
stem, remove offending borer, then wrap the stem with a moist rag and
rebury it, your pumpkin should recover fine.  One trick is to wrap the
stem at the base with tin-foil, thus denying the adult moth a place to
lay eggs.  Also, a natural bacteria called BTK (bacillus thurungis) sp?
is available from Gardens Alive!  It paralyzes the  mouthparts of the
larve so the cant eat.  It comes in an injectable form too so you can
"shoot up" plants that are alredy infested.  Nothing makes up for
checking your plants regularly and thoroughly,  I had a plant last year
that looked fine from the top, but on the ground side, was completely
rotten and eaten away by these vicious little pests.  They are trully
vile little beasts, destroying the whole plant for a small portion of
material.  Glad you are trying to stay away from chemicals, I garden the
same way and I have a B.S. in chemistry.  And no, Im not going to
comment in the iodine crystal explosion deal, but get yourself some raw
sodium metal and a toilet...almost got expelled for that one. :)
Hope this helps.		

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 20:23:52 1998
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:23:48 -0700
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: FXWizard@netcom.ca (Brian D. Oberquell)
Subject: Re: HALL: File-attachers take heed!
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I gotta agree with Scott here -- and while we're at it, howzabout those
people requesting things (magazine, pix, etc.) from a specific
person/company reply directly to them and *not* to all of us on the list?

Thanks, Brian

>This is all well and good, but what happens is i get a 3 megabtye text
>message full of garbage that i cant do anything with, and takes me a lot
>more time to download my mail.  I am just suggesting that those who want
>to send stuff, send it directly to the ones that assk for it, not to the
>list where you are forced to download it whether you want it or not.
> When I get the new version of juno that allows attachments, you can be
>sure i will be requesting some of the things i have heard about on here.
>Still, the requst still stands. Please do not send attachments to the
>list.
>
>Scott Waggoner ---- The original MiB
>The dread Lord Mayne

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 20:25:19 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:27:13 -0500
From: Baskerville <remo@crtelco.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: HALL: Martha
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bob, the Martha bit was hilarious, I showed my wife.  She worships her
and is always on Marthas damn site when I should be checking my
halloween-l email.  Its getting close to go time for crying out loud!
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 20:26:52 1998
From: MSulli7578@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:25:06 EDT
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: HALL: questions about Thunder and lightning boxes
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I'm considering buying a thunder and lightning box from Terror by Design.  Has
anybody out there used this one?  Any other places I should look to get one??

Thanks

Mike
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Wed Sep  2 20:29:55 1998
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:45:47 -0500
From: Drfrightner <darkness@primary.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HALL: Re: haunting as a business (quality versus quantity)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

> On the contrary, Larry (wow, a rhyme).  With a good command of the
> language,
> email can allow you to convey your thoughts with great precision.  As a
> matter
> of fact, you can stop to erase an unclear statement, think over what
> you're
> trying to say, check spelling and grammar, even leave copious messages
> against your own will.  You're in control...until you hit the send
> button.

Greg I agree with you but then again I don't.  Email will never equal a face
to face conversation!  This also takes longer to to settle issues or
whatever.  When you talkvia phone or whatever things will become more clear
much faster.

> You know, after a year, I still get shivers when I read about "doing
> people"
> who visit an attraction.  I'm probably inferring too much, but it just
> has
> the tone of pushing paying patrons through a haunt like cattle

Greg I am very concerned about pushing people through like cattle.  I will
tell you that if you do they complain and if you don't they complain.  Its a
no win situation.  The only way you can be successful is to have a haunted
house worthy to the task.  In St. Louis we have that and so does Terror on
The Wharf.  If any haunt Ive ever seen does it would be Knotts.  They put
through more than anyone and people still love it.  But Knotts is not just
mazes and plain walls.  Its much more than that and thats why its a success.

> Perhaps, but I doubt it.  Some people feel that to allow a profit motive
> to
> enter their pastime would pollute the air.  I'd love to make a living
> designing
> haunts, but I still wonder if I would feel compromised the first time I
> made
> a decision that I knew would result in an inferior result  in favor of
> preserving
>  the bottom line.

Its really hard for you to say what you would do until you actually had