>that I can easily cut standard body part pieces (forearm, thight, >spine...), label them, and put them together with standrd PVC fittings. >Then, at the end of the horror season, I can uncloth them and snap them >apart, making storage more convenient (isn't storage of props one of your >biggest problems? I'm trying to dewsign everything to pack small form now >on!). The trouble with the PVC fittings is I couldn't figure how to keep a >pose without gluing them...which defeated the purpose. So this year I plan >ton cut slots in the end of the fittings and use pipe clamps to tighten >them on to the armature pieces. I will make building a prototype one of my >highest priorities. Rick, (:and everyBody else too:) I made a grim reaper this year out of 3/4" PVC and I solved the problem of joint movement by cross drilling through the fitting and pipe, and placing some wire through it. The wire would flex a bit, so next year I plan to use small bolts. through the holes. Also, I haven't tried this yet... Since the pvc is too flexible, one way to stiffen it up might be to injecting the pipe sections with foam. It might be cheaper than going to a larger schedule/diameter. Bill now availible at home: lewisb@erols.com or work: lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink. Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every once in awhile. If it's fixed, don't break it. Measure once, Cut twice. From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 9 05:42:27 1996 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 11:47:49 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Trade Show Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 06:00 PM 2/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >OK, I've thought about going. I've even got the registration cards. But >want I really want most is the vendor catalogs and to be put on vendor mail >lists. Yeah, it would be great to go, but then I'd blow some of my >Halloween budget to go see neat stuff rather than buy neat stuff. So, if >someone is going, perhaps we could swing a deal? Like I'll help defray >your cost(?) if you'll get me catalog copies and/or drop off my "business" >card along with yours? Any takers? Hi Rick, I don't know if dropping off cards at vendors will get a response for you (any thoughts Nathan?) but I'd be happy to do it. Let me know. As far as costs, you buy the first round if we ever meet. Denny From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 9 12:07:58 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 12:52:24 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: Project-a-month Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Rick wrote: >>> The trouble with the PVC fittings is I >>> couldn't figure how to keep a pose without gluing them...which >>> defeated the purpose. So this year I plan ton cut slots in the >>>end of the fittings and use pipe clamps to tighten them on to the >>> armature pieces. I've used PVC for other stuff and have had good success drilling a hole into the fitting and pipe, then inserting a "self tapping sheet metal" screw long enough (3/4 inch long) to go through both wall thicknesses. If you need to adjust it, take out the screw and drill a hole in the new location. Most hardware stores sell sheet metal screws these days. Denny From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 9 16:58:16 1996 From: BABES@delphi.com Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 21:05:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: IDeas? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi..I have a friend whom is planning a Haunted HOuse for this halloween...So anyone out there have any new, original ideas? Thanks..anne From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 9 17:07:28 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 09:01:20 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Project-a-month Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Denny writes: >Hey Don, >How's the Halloween project a month idea coming along? >I'm already a month behind. :-0 This month for sure. My tentative plan for this year's haunted house is to bring a movie studio's creatures to life (likely the stable of Universal characters with a few extras thrown in). I've picked up some ideas from our group over the past several months and have a few new ones of my own. One of my first goals, though, is to build the Cobweb Maker. Any ideas how I can create an in- door swamp? Aside from the old standbys like Frankenstein's Monster, the Wolfman, Dracula and the Mummy, what do you think would be some other good (if not as widely popular) characters to depict? I'm def- initely going to do the Invisible Man. Any others? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 10 12:29:24 1996 Subject: Re: Trade Show To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:59:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > >want I really want most is the vendor catalogs and to be put on vendor mail > >lists. > I don't know if dropping off cards at vendors will get a response for you > (any thoughts Nathan?) but I'd be happy to do it. Let me know. 50/50. Some vendors followup on their trade show leads. Some don't. Nathan nathan@theatrefx.com From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 10 23:11:11 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 09:59:14 -0600 To: TonyGJr@aol.com From: "D.D." Subject: RE: Project-a-month / mini-haunts Cc: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:20 PM 2/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >There should be no problem about me posting my article as the magazine is >unfortuantely out of business. (I'll contact them to doublecheck)... > >there needs to be more house haunts in which a tiny walk through haunted >house. Much cheaper than putting in a full haunted house, a neighbor had a >tiny walkthrough in his backyard, a little freebie for the neighborhood, about >4 rooms. > >In my article I outlined such a walkthrough using my living room and hall and >front and back porches. More fun than the simple graveyard in front, >imagination can flow without the monster budgets needed for a big production Hi again Tony, Couldn't agree more on the need for more mini-haunts. I hope you don't mind that I'm "c.c.'ing" this to the main list. I think your ideas on mini-haunted houses or walkthroughs is an excellent topic. I'd love to read your article Regardless of size, I think the main goal for any haunting is entertaining the "guests". In my display (small), I know it's working when a few people are scared and others are laughing or watching in amazement. During the years I've learned and tuned as needed, people now thank me for the display and tell me how much they enjoy it. While I really do it for myself, it's nice to know other people "get it". IMHO I tend to think "Disney" when I imagine the best haunted house. Not everything in Disney's Haunted Mansion is big, bloody or expensive but it's all entertaining. For "me", that's the goal to strive for. I tend to be more on edge by a reverse-mask watching me than a skinny teenager in a hockey mask. I've read many times that gory haunted houses usually out sell milder ones in ticket sales. Is it the "blood and guts" or is it easier/cheaper to scare people with gore as opposed to the "classic" techniques? Denny P.S. Has anyone seen our List Meister Don Bertino wandering around cyber-space lately? From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 12 07:20:06 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 10:10:18 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I'd like to see Tony's article also! Or ANY halfway decent material written about Halloween haunted houses/attractions... I've written a lot about the "haunted houses" I do, but they really are more like mini-haunts than full fledged haunted houses. I've got it to the point where my helpers and I have the organizational and budget stuff down pat. The ideas aren't hard to come by. Now I'm going to start shooting for some of the more spectacular effects that Denny, Bill, Don, Scott (and SO many others) have posted to the list. I agree with Denny re: the Haunted Mansion. Still the tops in haunted attractions as far as I'm concerned. When I assisted with two Jaycees haunted houses several years ago, the most popular rooms were the blood 'n guts rooms. Go figure. Today's kids have seen so many more technological advances applied to their entertainment than we ever did. Plus, we are a country of "can you top this." Coppoloa's version of Dracula could have creeped out an entirely new generation of youngsters had it not had so much adult content. The classic creatures are still classic - just not as "effective" as Freddy Krueger, Jason and the rest. *sigh* By the way, when planning my haunted houses, I have the kids in mind. I figure they'll be scared, the older kids scoff and the adults will give a knowing wink and a smile. I know I'm successful when the older kids are also scared and the adults stare (mouth often agape) in bewilderment as they try to figure out the effect. Like the one we did where the mirror cast no reflection of the vampire, but reflected everything else. One lady walked right up to the mirror (inches away) and *still* couldn't figure out how we pulled it off. That's what makes my efforts and the price of admission worthwhile. But I never do blood and guts (I do what I find entertaining and don't do what I find boring). - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 13 01:11:01 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Franklin Subject: Re: Mini-Haunts To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com wrote: > Like the one we did where the mirror > cast no reflection of the vampire, but reflected everything else. One > lady walked right up to the mirror (inches away) and *still* couldn't > figure out how we pulled it off. Stu, I have an idea of how you did that one, but would you mind sharing it? ------- Mark m_franklin@cariboo.bc.ca From mberger@BayNetworks.com Wed Feb 14 03:12:55 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 06:12:49 EST From: mberger@BayNetworks.com (Michael Berger) To: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: [listserv@netcom.com: Majordomo results] Status: O X-Status: I received this reply from Majordomo. I may be listed as mberger@wellfleet.com which is aliased to my new address. Could you please manually unsubscribe me. Many thanks, Mike Berger Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 03:04:46 -0800 To: mberger@BayNetworks.com From: listserv@netcom.com Subject: Majordomo results Reply-To: listserv@netcom.com -- >>>> unsubscribe halloween-l **** unsubscribe: 'mberger@BayNetworks.com (Michael Berger)' is not a member of list 'halloween-l'. From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 14 08:34:56 1996 Subject: Re: Trade Show To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > > I have another question about the trade show. Can you register when you get > there? Yes, all you need is some sort of business identification. It used to be that a business card alone was sufficient. Expect long lines Friday and Saturday morning. Nathan nathan@theatrefx.com From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 14 08:47:42 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Marsha Michie wrote: > On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com wrote: > > > Like the one we did where the mirror > > cast no reflection of the vampire, but reflected everything else. One > > lady walked right up to the mirror (inches away) and *still* couldn't > > figure out how we pulled it off. > > OK, I give. Maybe I'm gullible, but how *did* you pull that one off? What > a cool effect! Did you build duplicate rooms and use glass instead of a mirror? :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> ftp.netcom.com ======\----------------||----------||----------------/=== /pub/be/bertino========\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 14 21:54:22 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:26:34 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: RE: Project-a-month / mini-haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:32 AM 2/12/96 -0800, Don wrote: > >I'm still here :) I am recovering from a 49ers loss to Greenbay :( And >looking for a 4-6 inch fan blade. Appliance stores are next. Hi Don, Forty who? ;-) You may want to try an 8" blade, they tend to blow the webs further. The only problem with the larger blade is if it's a little off balance it slows your motor or hand drill down quite a bit and the "web juice" doesn't fling out of the hole very well. Denny From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 14 22:21:20 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 14:36:57 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Indoor Swamp Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Dave, >We did this outdoors a number of years ago: built up the >path to near the height of an old mattress laid on the ground, >then covered it with leaves and trail debris. In the dark, >and unexpectedly, it really feels like you're sinking more than >the 2-3 inches it actually is! If I do it again, I'll take the >extra time to dig out a "pocket" for it; I can always strip >off and save the sod, and put it back together later... >Unless you want to hack a cavity in your floor, you would >probably have to go the ramp-up and -down route. I also thought - how about a shallow pan of water with a light source and oscillating fan directed at it? That should give an adequate re-creation of water re- flections on surrounding walls. Also, some fake trees with "spanish moss" hanging from them? A swamp creature would be de rigueur for this setting...any other thoughts? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Thu Feb 15 03:15:31 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 12:41:57 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Cc: bertino@netcom.com, lewisb@erols.com Subject: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Status: O X-Status: Don asks: >> > Like the one we did where the mirror >> > cast no reflection of the vampire, but reflected everything else. >>One lady walked right up to the mirror (inches away) and *still* >>couldn't figure out how we pulled it off. >> >> OK, I give. Maybe I'm gullible, but how *did* you pull that one off? >>What a cool effect! >Did you build duplicate rooms and use glass instead of a mirror? :) Ah!, Don, I can tell you're the ambitious type! :) Our space was limited (elementary school auditorium stage), so we couldn't do it *right*. We duplicated just the makeup table and immediate accoutrements. To do it perfectly, follow the lead in Don's query. Duplicate background objects, walls, anything you can think of. I think a sheet of clear glass in this case would have added nicely to the illusion, but I'll tell you...I suggested the illusion, was there as it was put together, and spent the evening in clear view of the scene. Everytime I caught the effect out of the corner of my eye, I was still taken aback. I found myself doing a double take several times throughout the evening! So the glass isn't *necessary*, but it's probably a good addition. I was fortunate enough to have a visit that night from our friend and fellow Halloweener Bill Lewis. What are your observations, Bill? Any suggestions or further comments? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 15 09:52:29 1996 Subject: Re: Trade Show To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:10:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > > When and where is this trade show? Rosemont Convention Center, formerly called O'Hare Expo Center, near O'Hare Airport, Chicago, IL. March 22-26. Nathan nathan@theatrefx.com From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 15 18:38:13 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:15:07 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: What Scares 'Em Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: The scariest thing we ever did, in terms of kids refusing to come through the door, was nothing high-tech or spectacular. In college, I got called up for treble parts all the time (READ: she sings the boy soprano part), so I decided to use my youthful voice to sound like a kid from the PREVIOUS group calling for his/her mother beyond the black curtain. After a few seconds, I'd call out "What's wrong with you, Mommy?" etc. Then I'd shriek "No, Mommy, no!" for a few seconds. We were doing our Twilight Zone that year, and our Rod Serling character had to come in and tell me to cut it out because none of the kids would come in the house. The six-foot spider and the 30-foot webs and the SFX and the other usual stuff didn't stop them, but my joking around in the mausoleum did. Go figure. From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 17 16:08:07 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 12:47:20 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Trade Show Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >> I have another question about the trade show. Can you register when you >>get there? >Yes, all you need is some sort of business identification. It used to be >that a business card alone was sufficient. >Expect long lines Friday and Saturday morning. From all indications, it looks like we'll have a good size group attending from the list (considering the cost, time away from home, etc.). I'm aware of at least four and maybe five going. Nathan will be there (I assume) for business reasons. Denny, Scott and I for "business" (read: pleasure). Trix maybe (?) Anyone else? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 17 16:13:29 1996 From: TonyGJr@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:20:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: My Article Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I have spoken with the publisher of my Halloween article I had mentioned previously on the net. He still retains all rights to the article, and does not allow it to be published on the networks. The article itself is on using your computer for Halloween applications. It gives several creative ideas and stepping points to extend your creativity in new directions for this purpose. The article is NOT on creating new gore effects or new settings but more of a general purpose by which to create. The article was written for GS+ Magazine, a magazine dedicated to the Apple ][ GS computer line. This back issue is available for $3 and can be ordered from: EGO Systems 7918 Cove Ridge Road Hixson, TN 37343 (423)843-1775 Ask for the Giant Spider issue. Tony From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 17 16:21:54 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 08:57:27 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[4]: Project-a-month Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >> >> The trouble with the PVC fittings is ... >The problem here is that if you want custom lengths of pipe, you will have >to cut it. That leaves only one end threaded. Of course, you can glue on >threaded fittings. I have tried this and although the piece hold together >without glue, they will not stay in a pose without pinning or glueing. >Several folks have suggested using a variety on pins (nut and bolt, >cotter pins). These require custome drilling each fitting every time a >pose change is needed plus they introduce a fair amount of play for a >multiply jointed piece (like shoulder and elbow for an arm). I still >think (hope) my new approach of slotting the openings of the joint pieces >(as in cut a slot with a hack saw perpindicular to the opening) and then >using a hose clamp to tighten the fitting on to the PVC pipe will provide >universal fittings with no play and infinitely variable positioning for >poses. O.K., here's another thought: Perhaps a flexible joint could be added to the equation. I'm not much of a tink- erer, but aren't there pieces of hardware out there that could roughly approximate the different body joints? Take the elbow for example. You need it to flex one direction, then back the opposite way. Surely something could be jury rigged to fit into the ends of the PVC pipe to create an "elbow." ---------- /--\ ----------- (pipe) - - (pipe) ---------- \--/ ----------- (joint) Well, that's my pathetic attempt at ASCII... Could you also not find a "ball and socket" joint at the hardware store? All right all you Harry Home- owners - what about these joints? Is this a viable solution? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 17 16:34:49 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 12:41:57 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Cc: bertino@netcom.com, lewisb@erols.com Subject: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Don asks: >> > Like the one we did where the mirror >> > cast no reflection of the vampire, but reflected everything else. >>One lady walked right up to the mirror (inches away) and *still* >>couldn't figure out how we pulled it off. >> >> OK, I give. Maybe I'm gullible, but how *did* you pull that one off? >>What a cool effect! >Did you build duplicate rooms and use glass instead of a mirror? :) Ah!, Don, I can tell you're the ambitious type! :) Our space was limited (elementary school auditorium stage), so we couldn't do it *right*. We duplicated just the makeup table and immediate accoutrements. To do it perfectly, follow the lead in Don's query. Duplicate background objects, walls, anything you can think of. I think a sheet of clear glass in this case would have added nicely to the illusion, but I'll tell you...I suggested the illusion, was there as it was put together, and spent the evening in clear view of the scene. Everytime I caught the effect out of the corner of my eye, I was still taken aback. I found myself doing a double take several times throughout the evening! So the glass isn't *necessary*, but it's probably a good addition. I was fortunate enough to have a visit that night from our friend and fellow Halloweener Bill Lewis. What are your observations, Bill? Any suggestions or further comments? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sun Feb 18 20:22:03 1996 Subject: Re: Trade Show To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > > > > > When and where is this trade show? > > Rosemont Convention Center, formerly called O'Hare Expo Center, near O'Hare > Airport, Chicago, IL. March 22-26. > > Nathan > nathan@theatrefx.com > I posted this two hours ago, and just got it back. Two hours for netcom to receive and distribute a Halloween-L posting?????? What's going on? Nathan nathan@theatrfx.com From owner-halloween-l Sun Feb 18 20:26:52 1996 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:54:38 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Don asks: >>> > Like the one we did where the mirror >>> > cast no reflection of the vampire, but reflected everything else. >>>One lady walked right up to the mirror (inches away) and *still* >>>couldn't figure out how we pulled it off. > >>Did you build duplicate rooms and use glass instead of a mirror? :)... Stu Wrote: > Ah!, Don, I can tell you're the ambitious type! :) > Our space was limited (elementary school auditorium... Much deleted above Hey Y'all, I wonder if adding glass would cause some "bad" reflections from other light sources?? There's a version of this effect called "Vampire" in the Philip Morris book How To Operate a Successful Haunted House. Denny milwiron@btprod.com From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 19 00:03:10 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:07:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Indoor Swamp Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Stuart McIntire writes: > I also thought - how about a shallow pan of water with > a light source and oscillating fan directed at it? > That should give an adequate re-creation of water re- > flections on surrounding walls. Also, some fake trees > with "spanish moss" hanging from them? A swamp creature > would be de rigueur for this setting...any other thoughts? We did something similar with the water effect a number of years ago but to give it a really eerie effect, put a mirror in the bottom of the pan of water, it throws a lot of strange reflections around. It might work to use a piece of tin foil, slightly wrinkled and shiny side up, to give an even more interesting effect. -Brian From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 20 07:23:16 1996 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Slow Posting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996 grizelda@astral.magic.ca wrote: > >I posted this two hours ago, and just got it back. Two hours for netcom to > >receive and distribute a Halloween-L posting?????? What's going on? > > I wouldn't complain. Look at the header; it took _three days_ to > get to Toronto! > For some reason the Internet seems really slow just now. Anyone > else having this problem? Just to clarify, Netcom *did* have problems with with email, which, for the moment seems to have cleared up. (Thank god) Nathan is one of a few people who's posting email address does not match his email email address... Since this list is externally moderated, i.e. only people subscribed with their true email address :) can post to it, all others get bounced to me to be approved or rejected. That means when I don't login because I'm home taking care of my son with a viral infection, I won't login for a few days... :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> ftp.netcom.com ======\----------------||----------||----------------/=== /pub/be/bertino========\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 21 02:12:34 1996 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 06:13:31 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > I was fortunate enough to have a visit that night > from our friend and fellow Halloweener Bill Lewis. > What are your observations, Bill? Any suggestions > or further comments? > > - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] AaCk, It's too early in the morning. Ok, I'll comment. I thought it was very well done. A piece of glass might have defined the "mirror" better, but otherwise you had to look _real_ hard to figure it out(I know I did). The glass might have also allowed the actress to gain a reflection, thereby spoiling the effect. I definately don't think doing an entire room was necessary. With all the black plastic curtains and low lighting, the background was unimportant. Bill now available at home: lewisb@erols.com or work: lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil You can't keep a down man good. You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink. Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every once in awhile. If it's fixed, don't break it. Measure once, Cut twice. From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 22 06:33:26 1996 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:14:24 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 06:13 AM 2/20/96 EST, Bill wrote: >AaCk, It's too early in the morning. Ok, I'll comment. >I thought it was very well done. A piece of glass might have defined the >"mirror" better, but otherwise you had to look _real_ hard to figure it >out(I know I did). The glass might have also allowed the actress to gain a >reflection, thereby spoiling the effect. I definately don't think doing an >entire room was necessary. With all the black plastic curtains and low >lighting, the background was unimportant. More coffee! I'm speaking generally here since I didn't visit Stu's haunted house and value Bill's opinion. But I gotta say about haunts (not Stu's) in general... When I visit a haunted house or haunting I'm not only impressed/entertained by the illusions and effects but also the detail. To me having an entire room "done up" with little details makes me want to pay again and go back through to see if I missed anything. I guess it's the "hey, they didn't have to do that, but they did" (Disney?) syndrome. I do realize fully that in a commercial endeavor, the amount of detail and the associated costs/payback must be considered. Not to mention storing all the stuff. Denny From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 22 08:20:20 1996 Subject: HUM: Beethoven's Death (**) (fwd) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Forwarding this as it has a Halloween twist to it. Hope list members don't mind . . . Nathan nathan@theatrefx.com ------------------------------------ When Beethoven passed away, he was buried in a churchyard. A couple days later, the town drunk was walking through the cemetery and heard some strange noise coming from the area where Beethoven was buried. Terrified, the drunk ran and got the priest to come and listen to it. The priest bent close to the grave and heard some faint, unrecognizable music coming from the grave. Frightened, the priest ran and got the town magistrate. When the magistrate arrived, he bent his ear to the grave, listened for a moment, and said, "Ah, yes, that's Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, being played backwards." He listened a while longer, and said, "There's the Eighth Symphony, and it's backwards, too. Most puzzling." So the magistrate kept listening; "There's the Seventh... the Sixth... the Fifth..." Suddenly the realization of what was happening dawned on the magistrate; he stood up and announced to the crowd that had gathered in the cemetery, "My fellow citizens, there's nothing to worry about. It's just Beethoven decomposing." \\|// (o o) THE ORACLE SERVICE HUMOR MAILING LIST ~~~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve Willoughby's E-mail: SUBSCRIPTION: --------------------------- ----------------- oracle@synapse.net To subscribe to the Oracle's st944wk3@post.drexel.edu mail list, send a message with only the word SUBSCRIBE in the body (not the subject) of the message to: WWW Site humour-list-request@lists.synapse.net ------------- http://www.synapse.net/~oracle/Contents/HumorArch.html ~~~~~~~oooO~~~~~~Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- _____________________________________________ "Don't hit your mother with a shovel.... ...It leaves a dull impression on her mind.." Paul Newman/Butch Cassidy & Sundance Kid --------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 22 17:26:13 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:53:14 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 96-02-20 13:10:47 EST, you write: > >There's a version of this effect called "Vampire" in the Philip Morris book >>How To Operate a Successful Haunted House. > HI all ... i cant find this book... the local Barnes and Nobel said they would try to order it, but still nothing... is it still in print ?... HELP From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 04:19:50 1996 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:28:50 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Slow Posting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:10 AM 2/20/96 -0800, Don wrote: >Just to clarify, Netcom *did* have problems with with email, which, for the >moment seems to have cleared up. (Thank god) >Nathan is one of a few people who's posting email address does... HA! I knew it was a plot of the bourgeois, upper class. (boy, did spel chekc have trouble with bourgeois) Denny ;-) P.S. Hope your son is feeling better. From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 04:45:40 1996 From: revcoal@pcnet.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 07:17:04 EST Subject: Re: Slow Posting To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, grizelda@astral.magic.ca ('Greysting' [Ron Orr]) wrote: >>>From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Feb 18 23:40:58 1996 >>Subject: Re: Trade Show >>To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:30:49 -0500 (EST) >>From: "Nathan Kahn" >> >>I posted this two hours ago, and just got it back. Two hours for netcom to >>receive and distribute a Halloween-L posting?????? What's going on? >> >>Nathan >>nathan@theatrfx.com > > I wouldn't complain. Look at the header; it took _three days_ to >get to Toronto! > For some reason the Internet seems really slow just now. Anyone >else having this problem? Yes, I have the same problem...but the other lists I belong to which happen to be on netcom.com are PARTICULARLY slow in coming...at best, several hours, at worst (and what is usual) several days. ;-) ======================================================================= Instead of loving your enemies, treat your friends a little better. -- E. W. Howe: Plain People ======================================================================= Donna J. Logan revcoal@pcnet.com ======================================================================= From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 07:51:47 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:46:19 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: For lack of a better description, I'd like to introduce a possible effect that I once saw (many) years ago at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. It consisted of a Head form, kinda like those used to hold wigs, that had a talking character projected on to it. It has a great 3D effect. BTW, the Smithsonian was projecting a talking Uncle Sam. Since the advent of VCR's and video cameras replacing movie camera's, it may be difficult to do this, but I always thought that it'd be a great effect to incorporate for a haunted house. Possibly having a "bust" and using a slide projector to alter the face. Or better yet, have a dual slide projector with a fader arrangement (rentable equipment). Oh well, just thought I'd throw this out there while I was here. Later Bill now available at home: lewisb@erols.com or work: lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil You can't keep a down man good. You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink. Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every once in awhile. If it's fixed, don't break it. Measure once, Cut twice. From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 08:28:12 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:27:28 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:14 AM 2/21/96 -0600, you wrote: >At 06:13 AM 2/20/96 EST, Bill wrote: > >>entire room was necessary. With all the black plastic curtains and low >>lighting, the background was unimportant. > >More coffee! Did that... > I'm speaking generally here since I didn't visit Stu's haunted house and >value Bill's opinion. But I gotta say about haunts (not Stu's) in general... > > When I visit a haunted house or haunting I'm not only impressed/entertained >by the illusions and effects but also the detail. To me having an entire >room "done up" with little details makes me want to pay again and go back >through to see if I missed anything. I guess it's the "hey, they didn't have >to do that, but they did" (Disney?) syndrome. >I do realize fully that in a commercial endeavor, the amount of detail and >the associated costs/payback must be considered. Not to mention storing all >the stuff. > >Denny > Denny, I understand fully where you are coming from on this, and I totally agree! Details definately make a difference. For Stu's "mirror" I should expand on my statement a bit. They had plenty of details to make their effect effective. Quite well done in fact. They also had very limited space to allocate to this, so a whole room wasn't necessary but under the right conditions could be very cool. Another factor to consider to do something like this is that the angle that the audience is viewing the scene is very critical. That is you can't set up a "mirror" in which the anyone from the audience could possibly "see" themself in the mirror. I have also been rethinking my thoughts on the use of glass in the mirror. Under the right circumstances, I think it might work, but some experimentation would be necessary. I have also bee thinking about other subtle details that could be incorporated into the mirror, like having a burnt out bulb on both sides, and pictures/clippings around the frame. Bill now available at home: lewisb@erols.com or work: lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil You can't keep a down man good. You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink. Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every once in awhile. If it's fixed, don't break it. Measure once, Cut twice. From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 08:35:29 1996 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Bill Lewis wrote: > For lack of a better description, I'd like to introduce a possible effect > that I once saw (many) years ago at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. > It consisted of a Head form, kinda like those used to hold wigs, that had a > talking character projected on to it. It has a great 3D effect. BTW, the > Smithsonian was projecting a talking Uncle Sam. > Since the advent of VCR's and video cameras replacing movie camera's, it may > be difficult to do this, but I always thought that it'd be a great effect to > incorporate for a haunted house. Possibly having a "bust" and using a slide > projector to alter the face. Or better yet, have a dual slide projector with > a fader arrangement (rentable equipment). > Oh well, just thought I'd throw this out there while I was here. Hi Bill! A number of theme parks use this. Disney being one. :) The singing busts use these idea, and use to use a 16mm film projector with loop film, have switched over to laser disk and a video projector. Another area where this is used is Madeum Loeta's head. But the video is sent threw fiber optic cable, to allow the table to move and wobble. :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> ftp.netcom.com ======\----------------||----------||----------------/=== /pub/be/bertino========\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 12:01:39 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Head Shot To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:05:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Bill, and everyone: Bill Lewis writes: > > For lack of a better description, I'd like to introduce a possible effect > that I once saw (many) years ago at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. > It consisted of a Head form, kinda like those used to hold wigs, that had a > talking character projected on to it. It has a great 3D effect. BTW, the > Smithsonian was projecting a talking Uncle Sam. > Since the advent of VCR's and video cameras replacing movie camera's, it may > be difficult to do this, but I always thought that it'd be a great effect to > incorporate for a haunted house. Possibly having a "bust" and using a slide > projector to alter the face. Or better yet, have a dual slide projector with > a fader arrangement (rentable equipment). > Oh well, just thought I'd throw this out there while I was here. > Later > Bill It is a FANTASTIC effect! The ghost system is the only thing more popular at my party. I started doing video heads about five years ago. Of course, it was the Disney talking busts that inspired me. At the time, I believe the HM busts were still using film projection. I believe someone had said they converted to video disks and video projection. My setup uses four "heads" that sing (lip sink) to various songs. It is presented in a humorous mode but it would make a fantastic scary effect as well. I beg, borrow and steal several pieces of video gear at Halloween time, one of which is an old Barco video projector. I ceiling mount this in the garage opposite the band setup. The heads are in a back corner. I focus the video projector across the plane of the faces. Most older video projectors have several "guns" that need extensive tweaking for alignment. I put up a flat screen first for this process and then move the heads in. I didn't know how well it would look projecting on a 3D surface but it looks great....Spooky sometimes! The effect is best to those straight in front, as you get off to an angle the quality plummets (Just like many older rear projection TVs.) There are several tricks to improving the look from the sides, I talk about that in a moment. I would love to try one of the LCD video projectors. I have a feeling they would be great for this application. Also a monochrome vide projector would work fine. You don't need the color to make this look good. I have the show "canned" on video tape, but I would like to incorporate live action at some point. The trick is getting the real head of your "talent" locked down for shooting the video. When I shot the video for my singing heads, I set up the four subjects (in my case the guys in the band) directly facing the heads. They could then watch themselves and keep their heads aligned. Had I had more time (and a larger budget) I would have created some sort of adjustable headrests that would lock them into position. The subjects were then draped in black fabric (black backdrop as well.) I set up lighting similar to what would be used in portrait photography. Several key lights up and to the side and a rear light aiming somewhat at the back of the head to add some depth. It takes some experimentation to get the best look (I wish I would have had a lot more time to experiment when I did this.) I then played the various tunes and recorded the sound to the video tape as they lip sinked the words. It is absolutley hilarious to watch. The heads are an important piece of making this work. The first time I was on a shoestring budget and used cheese cloth with fabric stiffener for the busts. I took a large piece of cheese cloth, soaked it in the fabric stiffener and laid it over the subjects head. I then took a hair dryer and dried the cheese cloth while pressing it into the features of the face. This worked suprisingly well. The back was then sliced to let the subject out. The slice was sewed up and the bottom trimmed to be in a bust shape. This was then hot glued to a foam core base. Having the bust the same shape and with the same features as the face being projected is a must for the best effect. These busts weren't perfect. There was excess fabric bunching at the neck. But when you projected on them, they came alive! These busts have also not stored well. Humidity, heat, anything messes them up. For the next party I was planning on new heads. I decided to try this fairly newish material. I can't think of the brand name off the top of my head. It might be fabricform or something. There are several different varieties of this stuff. It is a sheet of thermoplastic with a cheesecloth impregnated into the surface. You heat it up and it is mallable. You form it in this state and then it cools and becomes ridgid. This is a great prop making material as well. I tried using this for the busts but didn't have very good luck. Again I would heat with a hair dryer, and form it over the face. Then I would have an ice pack to cool it faster. It turned out to be a tedious process and the result was less than impressive. It might have been okay had I been able to form the material in a negative mold of the face. It could be heated to a higher temperature and pressed in to all the features easily. The key thing I learned was that the projection medium is critical to result. This material was opaque and no light passed through. You had to be straight in front to get the effect. The cheesy (sorry, couldn't help it) cheese cloth heads look so much better in actual use. So, its time to redo the heads again. I'm not sure how I will do them this time. I think its time to get a proper mold of the faces involved and then experiment with the cheesecloth with a better stiffening medium. They may have been okay if I could have coated them with something, like a polyurethane finish or something. Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l Fri Feb 23 17:56:54 1996 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:21:17 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: New Address & Catalog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hey All, Sorry, I'm movin' again, my new e-mail address is . Mail to the old address will still get through. (mail to the even older address will bounce now). -begin sales pitch- I'd also like to invite all of you to check out our companie's new catalog on the web. It's under some heavy construction and growing daily. In a couple of days a new page with a full line of latex mask making supplies, tools and paint will be added and the "books", "specials effects" and "props" pages will be getting new additions. -end sales pitch- Thanks, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design 708-830-9561 fax 708-830-9577 From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 03:37:00 1996 From: TonyGJr@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:18:15 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I've gobne back to the past for this one by using an 8 millimeter projector to project a face. Just make a movie of someone talking, then project it. Works great as a magic mirror talking as well... From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 04:02:50 1996 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Bill Lewis wrote: > For lack of a better description, I'd like to introduce a possible effect > that I once saw (many) years ago at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. > It consisted of a Head form, kinda like those used to hold wigs, that had a > talking character projected on to it. It has a great 3D effect. BTW, the > Smithsonian was projecting a talking Uncle Sam. > Since the advent of VCR's and video cameras replacing movie camera's, it may > be difficult to do this, but I always thought that it'd be a great effect to > incorporate for a haunted house. Possibly having a "bust" and using a slide > projector to alter the face. Or better yet, have a dual slide projector with > a fader arrangement (rentable equipment). > Oh well, just thought I'd throw this out there while I was here. Hi Bill! A number of theme parks use this. Disney being one. :) The singing busts use these idea, and use to use a 16mm film projector with loop film, have switched over to laser disk and a video projector. Another area where this is used is Madeum Loeta's head. But the video is sent threw fiber optic cable, to allow the table to move and wobble. :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> ftp.netcom.com ======\----------------||----------||----------------/=== /pub/be/bertino========\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 04:16:20 1996 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:19:03 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: rrhill@ucdavis.edu (Rick Hill) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: My thoughts on using this effect...thoughts only as I haven't yet the space or resources to do this... The visitors to the hauted abode enter a bathroom. On the left is a bath tub with shower curtain, the shower curtain is closed. On the right is a sink, mirror, toilet. The shower curtain is moving slightly and faint noises come from behind. Attention is thus drwan to the tub in anticiaption of ???? Then suddenly, the toilet lid slams down, drwaing attention to the toilet and increasing heart rate. Following quickly, a hideous creature appears in the mirror and reaches through the mirror toward the happless vistor...causing extreme fright! Same effect, different presenation. If any of you actually use this approach in your haunt this year, I'd really like to know how it plays. >At 08:14 AM 2/21/96 -0600, you wrote: >>At 06:13 AM 2/20/96 EST, Bill wrote: >> >>>entire room was necessary. With all the black plastic curtains and low >>>lighting, the background was unimportant. >> >>More coffee! > >Did that... > >> I'm speaking generally here since I didn't visit Stu's haunted house and >>value Bill's opinion. But I gotta say about haunts (not Stu's) in general... >> >> When I visit a haunted house or haunting I'm not only impressed/entertained >>by the illusions and effects but also the detail. To me having an entire >>room "done up" with little details makes me want to pay again and go back >>through to see if I missed anything. I guess it's the "hey, they didn't have >>to do that, but they did" (Disney?) syndrome. >>I do realize fully that in a commercial endeavor, the amount of detail and >>the associated costs/payback must be considered. Not to mention storing all >>the stuff. >> >>Denny >> > >Denny, > >I understand fully where you are coming from on this, and I totally agree! >Details definately make a difference. For Stu's "mirror" I should expand on >my statement a bit. >They had plenty of details to make their effect effective. Quite well done >in fact. They also had very limited space to allocate to this, so a whole >room wasn't necessary but under the right conditions could be very cool. >Another factor to consider to do something like this is that the angle that >the audience is viewing the scene is very critical. That is you can't set up >a "mirror" in which the anyone from the audience could possibly "see" >themself in the mirror. >I have also been rethinking my thoughts on the use of glass in the mirror. >Under the right circumstances, I think it might work, but some >experimentation would be necessary. I have also bee thinking about other >subtle details that could be incorporated into the mirror, like having a >burnt out bulb on both sides, and pictures/clippings around the frame. >Bill >now available at home: >lewisb@erols.com >or work: >lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil > >You can't keep a down man good. >You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink. >Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every once in awhile. >If it's fixed, don't break it. >Measure once, Cut twice. Rick Hill (916) 757-3002 Office Computer Operations Manager (916) 757-3010 FAX UCD Bookstore rrhill@ucdavis.edu UC Davis VISIT THE BOOKSTORE WWW PAGES AT: Davis, CA 95616 http://www-bookstore.ucdavis.edu From ajordan@cdmnet.com Sat Feb 24 04:39:35 1996 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:42:55 -0600 To: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com From: Alana Jordan Subject: Halloween Status: O X-Status: How do I unsubscribe from the Halloween list? Thanks. Alana Alana Jordan (Information Broker) 244 Mid Rivers Center #237 St. Peters, MO 63376 314-447-2738 ajordan@cdmnet.com From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 09:32:55 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:58:39 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[4]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Bill answers Denny: (most deleted) .....I have also bee thinking about other subtle details that could be incorporated into the mirror, like having a burnt out bulb on both sides, and pictures/clippings around the frame..... Man! Why didn't I think of that?!? *Most* excellent suggestions, Bill! (Is everyone taking notes?). - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 10:13:15 1996 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:29:27 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Bill Wrote: much deleted for brevity > I have also bee thinking about other >subtle details that could be incorporated into the mirror, like having a >burnt out bulb on both sides, and pictures/clippings around the frame. Hey Bill, Love that burnt out bulb (or loose and randomly blinking?), a touch like that would keep seasoned pros guessing forever. Denny From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 10:31:27 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 08:56:27 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[6]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >In a message dated 96-02-20 13:10:47 EST, you write: >> >There's a version of this effect called "Vampire" in the Philip >book >>How To Operate a Successful Haunted House. >HI all ... i cant find this book... the local Barnes and Nobel said they >would try to order it, but still nothing... is it still in print ?... >HELP I found my first copy at a store that sold science fiction books and Halloween masks and costumes many, many years ago. I found an updated version at a theatrical supply house two years ago. The updated version includes many more pages of ideas than the original. Someone has posted the ISBN # somewhere on the mailing list. I'm sure the info is in the halloween-l archives. Access Don Bertino's web page at http://www.calweb.com/~bertino (Is that correct, Don?) The book is still in print, so B&N shouldn't have any difficulty locating it for you as long as they have the ISBN number. From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 11:15:41 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:40:49 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Bill! Good to hear from you...long time, no "see." >For lack of a better description, I'd like to introduce a possible effect >that I once saw (many) years ago at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. >It consisted of a Head form, kinda like those used to hold wigs, that had a >talking character projected on to it. It has a great 3D effect. BTW, the >Smithsonian was projecting a talking Uncle Sam. >Since the advent of VCR's and video cameras replacing movie camera's, it >may be difficult to do this, but I always thought that it'd be a great >effect to incorporate for a haunted house. Possibly having a "bust" and >using a slide projector to alter the face. Or better yet, have a dual slide >projector with a fader arrangement (rentable equipment). Isn't there a somewhat similar effect at Disneyland/World in the Haunted Mansion (face in a crystal ball)? I agree, Bill. I saw this effect at Silver Dollar City (Branson, MO) some 21 years ago. They had a haunted attraction/ride that was supposed to make you feel like you were riding in a mining car deep underground. *Does anyone know if the ride still exists?* As you waited for your turn to get into the car, they entertained you in various ways. The projected image on the wig form was part of that. Even then, it was obvious the film was well worn. The effect just *barely* made it. It used to be a somewhat easy proposition. Just get out the old 8/Super 8mm camera and shoot away. Now the old technology has gone the way of the 8-track. I would have no idea how to make it work today, but it can be worth the effort. (Yet another idea listed in Phillip Morris's book). Sorry this is so wordy...Denny has been suffering my "chatiness" all day long... - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 14:15:54 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 18:11:31 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween CDs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Frights of the Night SOUND FX (c) San Juan Music (no year listed) #EFX001 $3.99 at Best Buy Includes some 50 sound effects. Some of the more intriguing FX are: Mad Crazy Ape, Eerie Music & Women Sobbing, Ghost In Space. Sounds from a Night of TERROR (c) ? #CD9017 $4.99 at Best Buy Includes 99 sound effects Some of the more intriguing FX are: Guillotine/Scream, Drawbridge, Elec. EFX/Screams, Wild Boars, Chain Saw, Horse Drawn Hearse, Screaming Lions (?!?), Boiling Oil. I haven't yet listened to the CDs. I say the FX are intriguing based on name only. Some you don't find often on FX recordings, others just seem plain weird (Lions Screaming?). - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Sat Feb 24 14:59:44 1996 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:09:03 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: rrhill@ucdavis.edu (Rick Hill) Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: This is, of course, similar to the talking-head-in-the-crystal-ball-effect used in the Hauted Mansion at Disneyland. Although I have had folks tell me it is rear projected, I'm not sure it is. My current approach to do this effect (this year I WILL do this...now that I have all the parts) is to use a Super 8 movie camera (available at a garage sale near you for ~$10-$20) to film a live actor made up in white face with dark highlights. This is then rear projected using a Super 8 movie projector (available at a garage sale near you ~$20) on to either a translucent white plastic mask ($4 at a halloween store last year) or a rice paper mask shaped over a human face form (manequin head, wig head, real head). I beleive that in Disney's case, they might project from under neath and reflect by mirror into the mask. This has the advantages of hiding the projector and masking its noise as well as allowing viewers to walk completely around the effect (assuming you have a wif on the mask. The two challenges to this approach are 1) lip-synching sound without using standard lip-synch film techinques (cheapest sound projector I could find is $100 let alone the other equipment needed), 2) how to get a standard projector to run endlessly. >For lack of a better description, I'd like to introduce a possible effect >that I once saw (many) years ago at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. >It consisted of a Head form, kinda like those used to hold wigs, that had a >talking character projected on to it. It has a great 3D effect. BTW, the >Smithsonian was projecting a talking Uncle Sam. >Since the advent of VCR's and video cameras replacing movie camera's, it may >be difficult to do this, but I always thought that it'd be a great effect to >incorporate for a haunted house. Possibly having a "bust" and using a slide >projector to alter the face. Or better yet, have a dual slide projector with >a fader arrangement (rentable equipment). >Oh well, just thought I'd throw this out there while I was here. >Later >Bill >now available at home: >lewisb@erols.com >or work: >lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil > >You can't keep a down man good. >You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink. >Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every once in awhile. >If it's fixed, don't break it. >Measure once, Cut twice. Rick Hill (916) 757-3002 Office Computer Operations Manager (916) 757-3010 FAX UCD Bookstore rrhill@ucdavis.edu UC Davis VISIT THE BOOKSTORE WWW PAGES AT: Davis, CA 95616 http://www-bookstore.ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 26 00:48:25 1996 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:29:49 -0700 (MST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: trix@primenet.com (Darlene Horwath) Subject: Re: HUM: Beethoven's Death (**) (fwd) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hey Nathan! Good one!!! John Rosloot just sent this one to me: Did you hear about the man who didn't pay for his exorcism? He got re-possessed! He also suggested a Haloween joke page for my website! I think it is a great idea! So, has anyone else got any good Halloween related jokes? (this should get the dead turning over in their graves) Thanks everyone! Trix >Forwarding this as it has a Halloween twist to it. Hope list members don't >mind . . . > >Nathan >nathan@theatrefx.com > >------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that a modem in your pocket or RU just happy 2C me! http://www.primenet.com/~trix/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 26 07:25:56 1996 Subject: Re: Re[4]: Mini-Haunts To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > > > >There's a version of this effect called "Vampire" in the Philip Morris > book > >>How To Operate a Successful Haunted House. > > > > HI all ... i cant find this book... the local Barnes and Nobel said they > would try to order it, but still nothing... is it still in print ?... > HELP http://www.btprod.com Nathan nathan@theatrefx.com From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 26 07:35:42 1996 Subject: Theatre Effects website To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:07:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I'm pleased to announce that most of our website is available for viewing at http://www.theatrefx.com We don't have the lighting and fog pictures scanned in yet, but all the pyro and confetti cannons are there. And the lighting and fog text is there. You Halloweeners are the first to know. I'm not going to post this on stagecraft, etc. until the pages are completely finished (another week or so). So do me a favor and test drive it and let me know if you have any suggestions. Nathan nathan@theatrefx.com From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 26 07:51:21 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Re[4]: Mini-Haunts To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:29:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Stuart: > > much deleted.... > > Couldn't agree more. I face a daunting challenge every year. > I have less than 8 hours to set up four or five scenes on an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeesh! It takes me 8 weeks to set up! (okay maybe a slight exaggeration) > elementary school stage. When it's all over, I have an hour ^^^^^^ I still have a door knocker sitting on my workbench! Just can't seem to get the last few items put away. > to dismantle everything and put everything back where I found > it. I must be nuts. Anyway, in this case, we did get the > benefit of an unexpected bonus. The way the stage curtains > were arranged, you could see through the "mirror" to see a > "reflection" of the curtains behind (in front of) and to the > the side of the props and scenery. All I can say is - it's > a good thing I've got a steady core of friends and volunteers, > otherwise this would have been a bust years ago. This year > will be our fifth annual haunted house. Of course, with the > input of everyone on the mailing list, it will only get better > and better! > > - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] > > Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l Mon Feb 26 23:50:58 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 12:16:57 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[6]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Scott replies: (abbreviated) >Yeesh! It takes me 8 weeks to set up! (okay maybe a slight exaggeration) I don't think I'd know what to do with 8 weeks! :) >I still have a door knocker sitting on my workbench! Just can't seem to >get the last few items put away. If you've run out of storage space, I'll be happy to forward my home address! ;) - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 00:12:30 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 12:40:58 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >I've gone back to the past for this one by using an 8 millimeter projector >to project a face. Just make a movie of someone talking, then project it. >Works great as a magic mirror talking as well... Magic Mirror? Try backlighting a semi-transparent or translucent piece of plastic (does anyone know what would work best?) with the image. BTW, does anyone have an idea what film developing costs are for 8 or super 8 film these days? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 00:51:41 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 12:59:31 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Creature in the Wall Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Credit where credit is due...this idea is in the Phillip Morris book also... Build a simple wall with a hole cut out for the people to see through. You can decorate the viewer side of the wall with faux brick, old boards, what- ever. The effect is an image seen through this wall that fades in and out of existence. On the other side of the wall, set up a gruesome mask at the height of the opening in the wall. Use a pinspot light that has a revolving color wheel attached. The book suggests replacing the color wheel with a clear plexi disk with portions painted black - I like the changing colors. Aim the pinspot at the mask. Cover portions of the color disk with an opaque tape to block out portions of the light. As the wheel revolves, the parts of the disk that are covered cause an appearance of a light being slowly dimmed down, then back up again. At the kid's school, we had the advantage of having a door with a small win- dow at our disposal, so nothing had to be built. It was all set-up time. Add sound, cobwebs and the like. You could even adapt Poe's The Black Cat short story with this effect. Make sure the cat *really* looks demonic. I used a rotting flesh pirate mask. The effect worked exactly as described. This was a good effect to keep people occupied as they waited to enter the haunted house. - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From treina04@tropical.com.br Tue Feb 27 05:03:42 1996 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 11:27:34 -0500 To: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com From: treina04@tropical.com.br (treina04) Subject: halloween party Status: O X-Status: this a simple test we are trying to do with Eudora, and also we would like to invite you to come to visit our Halloween party in the end of the year. Would you accept ? @:) P.S.I will be waiting for youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur answer till tomorrow. [ ] Ate ja!!!! Rubinho 8:-) From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 05:20:44 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:14:18 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com, lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil Subject: Head Shot -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: You might also be referring to the talking head in the National Air and Space Museum Gallery 107 when it had the Life in the Universe exhibit residing there (sadly, long since replaced by something infinitely more boring). They had a clear, plastic head form onto which they projected a film of a character talking and ran speakers behind it. Pretty cool... From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 05:46:16 1996 From: TonyGJr@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:15:13 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween CDs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Some more fun music CDs to use: Patrick O'Hearn INDIGO (private records). Listed under New Age, Patrick O'Hearn used to be with Frank Zappa and Missing Persons. This CD is positively SATANIC in mellow music! It's mellow and VERY sinister music. Good for lushly decorated rooms or something of major proportions like a large room with a full vision of hell or something. Peter Gabriel PASSION (also know as the soundtrack to Last Temptation Of Christ) Was over at Knotts Halloween Haunt last year, and they used the first track (the feeling begins) in their haunted house called Nightmares. The whole CD should provide interesting moods and ideas. listen with cranked bass (grin) From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 06:09:32 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:01:49 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Scott Wrote: >It is a FANTASTIC effect! The ghost system is the only thing more popular >at my party. I started doing video heads about five years ago. Of course, >it was the Disney talking busts that inspired me... balance deleted for brevity A few months ago Scott shared a video he made of his Halloween activities. A fair amount of the tape showed the "singing video heads" he describes in his post. It's very effective, Scott's use of a video projector with its' perfect sound sync along with the sculpted "heads" added up to something Disney would've been proud of. The only problem (small) was the guy on the far right who got carried away singing every now and then and moved his head, he was havin' a good time and that's really what it's all about. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 12:29:27 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 07:39:46 CST From: jeffh@oakhill-csic.sps.mot.com (Jeff Hunsinger) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Is 8 mm film available anymore? When I inquired at a local camera store, they told me I'd have to paw through film magazines. Supposedly, the only film available is excess. If anyone knows differently, please tell me! Jeff From owner-halloween-l Tue Feb 27 13:10:16 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Head Shot To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:17:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Denny and all: D.D. writes: > Stuff deleted.. > A few months ago Scott shared a video he made of his Halloween activities. > A fair amount of the tape showed the "singing video heads" he describes in > his post. > It's very effective, Scott's use of a video projector with its' perfect > sound sync along with the sculpted "heads" added up to something Disney > would've been proud of. > The only problem (small) was the guy on the far right who got carried away > singing every now and then and moved his head, he was havin' a good time and > that's really what it's all about. > Denny Its the old reverse video problem. Point a video camera at yourself as you watch the image on a TV. Everything is of course backwards (left and right.) Some people just can't seem to get the hang of it. That is why you need some kind of "head clamp." By the way, the video doesn't do this effect justice. Much better in real life. Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 07:16:39 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:58:31 +800 Subject: Re: Re[6]: Mini-Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > Scott replies: (abbreviated) > >Yeesh! It takes me 8 weeks to set up! (okay maybe a slight > >exaggeration) > > I don't think I'd know what to do with 8 weeks! :) Depending on the amout of effects I'm doing, 8-weeks might not even be enough time. The longest set-up I ever did for Halloween started in JUNE! From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 08:55:50 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 09:28:51 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Halloween CDs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Patrick O'Hearn INDIGO (private records). Listed under New Age, Patrick O'Hearn used to be with Frank Zappa and Missing Persons. This CD is positively SATANIC in mellow music! It's mellow and VERY sinister music. Good for lushly decorated rooms or something of major proportions like a large room with a full vision of hell or something. Although a few people have told me to go there, I have no idea what Hell looks like :) however, to simulate Hell, a good effect is an animated gobo with a flame pattern and deep red/orange lighting. It gives a good feel of hellish flames in the background. Perhaps add a few space heaters to throw off some heat to make your "victims" feel "at home." - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 09:45:31 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:56:28 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "D.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:40 PM 2/26/96 EST, you wrote: >>I've gone back to the past for this one by using an 8 millimeter projector >>to project a face. Just make a movie of someone talking, then project it. >>Works great as a magic mirror talking as well... Stu Wrote: > Magic Mirror? Try backlighting a semi-transparent or translucent > piece of plastic (does anyone know what would work best?) with > the image. BTW, does anyone have an idea what film developing > costs are for 8 or super 8 film these days? Translucent works best, acrylic is available in varying degrees of translucency, it's mainly used in the sign industry. Most local plastics distributors have sample chips to look at. Drafting velum and Mylar also work well and can just be stapled across a frame. I have no idea what developing costs these days for 8 mm, do people still do it? Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 10:23:56 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 09:01:28 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Vampire! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Dave writes (abbreviated): >What a great discussion we have going! This is what this >list is really all about, to me! Ditto here, Dave! >I've been working on thought-plans for this since it was >first described here; love the suggestion for a flickering >lamp in the surround - even better than burned out! I had >planned to add a clipping or photo or two, not enough to >over-do the effect, but enough to add to the mystery. Try >glueing the "free" edge of the foreground piece to the >corresponding edge of the background piece, and just the >tip of a corner to the frame. To show more of the back >printed side, let the clipping curl away from the >"mirror", from each side... O.K., let me throw out these thoughts for you... If you were to add a poster or something similar (something with writing on it), have an identical poster made up - with one *big* exception...a mirror image so all of the lettering and image(s) is reversed! And wouldn't it be ideal if you could rig something up so when the vampire picks up a prop on the viewer side, the corresponding object in the mirror lifts in the air by unseen hands? - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 11:06:46 1996 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:22:24 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: rrhill@ucdavis.edu (Rick Hill) Subject: Re: New Address & Catalog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Denny, Can't see your web page. My browser reports there is no valid DNS entry. Problems? Love to see it. Please assist. Thanks. >Hey All, > Sorry, I'm movin' again, my new e-mail address is . >Mail to the old address will still get through. >(mail to the even older address will bounce now). > >-begin sales pitch- > I'd also like to invite all of you to check out our companie's new catalog >on the web. It's under some heavy construction and growing daily. In a >couple of days a new page with a full line of latex mask making supplies, >tools and paint will be added and the "books", "specials effects" and >"props" pages will be getting new additions. -end sales pitch- >Thanks, >Denny > > B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > > > 708-830-9561 > fax 708-830-9577 Rick Hill (916) 757-3002 Office Computer Operations Manager (916) 757-3010 FAX UCD Bookstore rrhill@ucdavis.edu UC Davis VISIT THE BOOKSTORE WWW PAGES AT: Davis, CA 95616 http://www-bookstore.ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 11:29:11 1996 From: TonyGJr@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:04:17 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I've done both a magic mirror trick and the translucent plastic you mentioned. It was the door to a crypt with the film being wierd shadowy shapes running around and doing a wierd evil dance inside..... just film a bunch of friends doing a war dance, but backlight to heck so it silhouettes. then run that on Z white plastic, and it works :) From owner-halloween-l Wed Feb 28 13:49:07 1996 From: David.Nadolski@turner.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:37:54 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.275574528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part There's a place in the Valley (Burbank, California) that still provides, called SUPER 8 SOUND. (818-848-5522) It's the only place I've been able to find in Los Angeles that can get almost anything having to do with Super 8 film. They also handle processing. A bit pricey, though, since they deal with scarce material and have pretty much cornered the market. But you're sure to get what you want there. Cheers, David.Nadolski@turner.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Head Shot Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at Internet Date: 2/26/96 7:39 AM Is 8 mm film available anymore? When I inquired at a local camera store, they told me I'd have to paw through film magazines. Supposedly, the only film available is excess. If anyone knows differently, please tell me! Jeff --IMA.Boundary.275574528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from internet.turner.com by ccmail.turner.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04a) id 133a1c30; Tue, 27 Feb 96 19:28:51 -0500 Received: from smap@localhost by internet.turner.com for via smapdV1.3 id TAA18390; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:21:37 -0500 Received: from mail2.netcom.com by interlock.turner.com for via SMTP (smap V1.3) id sma018312; Tue Feb 27 19:21:09 1996 Received: by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA05141; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:40:52 -0800 Received: from spsem01.sps.mot.com by mail2 (8.6.12/Netcom) id FAA05134; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:40:49 -0800 Received: from mogate (mogate.sps.mot.com) by spsem01.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Em ail 2.1 10/25/93) id AA05530 for halloween-l@netcom.com; Mon, 26 Feb 96 06:41:56 MST Received: from motsps by mogate (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA09024; Mon, 26 Feb 96 06:41:52 MST Received: from apache.sps.mot.com (oakhill-csic.sps.mot.com) by motsps (4.1/SMI-4 .1/Email-2.1) id AA24117 for halloween-l@netcom.com; Mon, 26 Feb 96 06:41:51 MST Received: from seneca.sps.mot.com by apache.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28077; Mon, 26 Feb 96 07:39:46 CST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 07:39:46 CST From: jeffh@oakhill-csic.sps.mot.com (Jeff Hunsinger) Message-Id: <9602261339.AA28077@apache.sps.mot.com> To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Head Shot Sender: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com --IMA.Boundary.275574528-- From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 29 04:45:42 1996 From: dbell@cup.portal.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Vampire! Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 12:51:17 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Stu McIntire added: >If you were to add a poster or something similar >(something with writing on it), have an identical >poster made up - with one *big* exception...a >mirror image so all of the lettering and image(s) >is reversed! Absolutely! We wouldn't want the back of, say, a newspaper clipping to be legible directly; I imagine I could print on newsprint stock with the laser with no problems... Now I need to decide what to format it with - most word processing software doesn't offer horizontal flip as an output option, and CAD seems tedious and limited. >And wouldn't it be ideal if you could rig something >up so when the vampire picks up a prop on the >viewer side, the corresponding object in the mirror >lifts in the air by unseen hands? Too cool! Wires? Black bar extending from a slit in the backdrop? Dave From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 29 07:12:41 1996 From: Maryanne Torgerson To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:49:11 PST Subject: Re: Head Shot Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: ** Reply to note from Scott Axworthy 02/23/96 09:05am -0800 > The key thing I learned was that the projection medium is critical to > result. This material was opaque and no light passed through. You > had to be straight in front to get the effect. The cheesy (sorry, > couldn't help it) cheese cloth heads look so much better in actual use. > > So, its time to redo the heads again. I'm not sure how I will do them > this time. I think its time to get a proper mold of the faces involved > and then experiment with the cheesecloth with a better stiffening medium. > They may have been okay if I could have coated them with something, like > a polyurethane finish or something. > > Scott I've had this problem in the back of my mind for a while and finally remembered some stuff I've seen in the floral department of craft stores. I don't know the name of the product, but it's a liquid that you pour into a vase and it hardens clear to look like water and hold the silk flowers in place. If you made the cheesecloth heads with fabric stiffener (the original method) and then could turn them upside down and cover them with something that wouldn't leak, you'd end up with heads that light would pass through and they'd probably hold up better too. Or maybe you could even just coat the heads with the stuff and it would reinforce the fabric stiffener - just don't use it INSTEAD of the fabric stiffener or it might never come off the subject! Maryanne "I have come too far in life to take orders from a cookie." -- Dr. Gullo From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 29 07:19:33 1996 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Vampire! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996 dbell@cup.portal.com wrote: Hi Dave! > Stu McIntire added: > > >If you were to add a poster or something similar > >(something with writing on it), have an identical > >poster made up - with one *big* exception...a > >mirror image so all of the lettering and image(s) > >is reversed! > > Absolutely! We wouldn't want the back of, say, a newspaper > clipping to be legible directly; I imagine I could print > on newsprint stock with the laser with no problems... Now > I need to decide what to format it with - most word processing > software doesn't offer horizontal flip as an output option, > and CAD seems tedious and limited. Look for software that will print out t-shirt designs, like print shop and such. They will print in reverse. :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> ftp.netcom.com ======\----------------||----------||----------------/=== /pub/be/bertino========\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l Thu Feb 29 07:54:24 1996 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:58:12 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Cheap and Easy Flames Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: The year we did The Inferno, we put a string of C7 bulbs (Christmas lights) with mostly red twinkle bulbs under and behind the devil's throne. One yellow or orange twinkle bulb for every 6 reds is a good mix. Cheap, but it works, at least for a small room. From owner-halloween-l Fri Mar 1 01:37:18 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 09:02:46 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[4]: Vampire! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Dave responds: >Stu McIntire added: >>If you were to add a poster or something similar >>(something with writing on it), have an identical >>poster made up - with one *big* exception...a >>mirror image so all of the lettering and image(s) >>is reversed! >Absolutely! We wouldn't want the back of, say, a >newspaper clipping to be legible directly; I imagine I >could print on newsprint stock with the laser with no >problems... Now >I need to decide what to format it with - most word >processing software doesn't offer horizontal flip as an >output option, and CAD seems tedious and limited. An old technology still in use is the concept of blueprint or even sepia tone prints. I had some posters made up years ago both ways. It requires a film negative or positive (I'm ashamed to say I've forgotten which). Most any well equipped printing company should have the tools to do this for you. As I recall, it was very inexpensive. Alternatively, you could have a large color print made up from a slide. Simply ask the shop to flip the slide when enlarging. You may get a strange look from your request, but then aren't we all used to that by now? :) Color prints are more expensive, but would be more realistic... >>And wouldn't it be ideal if you could rig >>something >up so when the vampire picks up a prop >>on the >viewer side, the corresponding object in >>the mirror >lifts in the air by unseen hands? >Too cool! Wires? Black bar extending from a slit in the >backdrop? Do I have to think of everything? :) - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Fri Mar 1 07:07:39 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 12:48:12 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cheap and Easy Flames Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >The year we did The Inferno, we put a >string of C7 bulbs (Christmas lights) >with mostly red twinkle bulbs under and >behind the devil's throne. One yellow or >orange twinkle bulb for every 6 reds is a >good mix. Cheap, but it works, at least >for a small room. Another method is a pin spot with a color wheel. Replace the color wheel with one that only has red and orange on it. These pin spots can be rented *really* cheap (I rented one two years ago for some- thing like $6.00 for the night). It gives a continually changing source of light that appears random - nice for flames! - Stu [ stuart.mcintire@uage.com ] From owner-halloween-l Fri Mar 1 08:02:21 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Head Shot To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:23:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Maryanne: Maryanne Torgerson writes: > > stiffener, but they didn't hold up well under heat & humidity...then > later tried a different material but it was tedious to work with> > ...much deleted... > > I've had this problem in the back of my mind for a while and finally remembered > some stuff I've seen in the floral department of craft stores. I don't know the > name of the product, but it's a liquid that you pour into a vase and it hardens > clear to look like water and hold the silk flowers in place. > > If you made the cheesecloth heads with fabric stiffener (the original method) and > then could turn them upside down and cover them with something that wouldn't leak,