Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:40:06 -0700 From: Gina Cundiff To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Another newbie. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Whoops, I forgot to add our web site address. My, it takes a while to get mail this way, doesn't it? Where can I find a list of this groups rules for posting? I am taking the archives on hard copy to our brainstorming session today. I am really excited about learning and sharing here. By the way, I may be the Executive Director of the Friends of Mesker Park Zoo, but I do break open the tool kit and get dirty for Boo at the Zoo!! (Okay, and for most of our other events, too.) My "Professional Woman" costume is in the closet most of the time. Come visit Mesker Park Zoo--http://www.evansville.net/~mpzoo/1zoo.htm -- Come visit Mesker Park Zoo--http://www.evansville.net/~mpzoo/1zoo.htm From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Jul 17 21:58:08 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:57:04 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Another newbie. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:32 AM 7/16/96 -0700, you wrote: >Howdy, I, too, am new to this mailing list. >I have a couple Qs for y'all. How do you (private event holders) >get mannequins? Or do >you have a better alternative to them? Has anyone seen a sewing pattern for >"bodies"? Ones that could be stuffed w/ newspapers or straw and unpacked, >washed and stored. Hi Gina, Welcome to the list! There are commercially available soft bodied, sewn, mannequins used mostly for movie work ($200.00+) but for most haunts on a budget these are pretty pricey. The next best thing I know of is using men's one piece, long underwear, "union suits", stuffing them with fiber fill and sewing across the elbows and knees so they bend correctly. You can also separate them at the shoulders and hips, sew the openings closed and add a sewn "button and thread" pivot like some rag dolls have. Head form, hands and feet can then be sewn out of material and filled with fiber fill and hand stitched on. Adding an internal skeleton made from wood, hinges and nut & bolt pivots to the union suit dummy can help with standing figures. When finished and dressed you'll find these guys look a thousand times better than just stuffing an old shirt and jeans. To answer your last question, I'm sure the list would like to hear about the other scenes you folks put on. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 00:57:08 1996 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:45:59 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Safety Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: We had fire extinguishers last year, but a friend said that they may not have been the right kind. You can save me a walk to the fireman next door and tell me if you know what kind is good for most fires? Thanks for the info on black lights, did not know that one at all. Will keep it in mind this year. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 03:06:58 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:59:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Thank you, everyone, for the kind words of welcome! What a neat idea - I never thought I'd run into a group of halloween hobbiests at all, let alone a group that actually communicates ideas. I sent up part one of the ghost project instructions this morning, and will have the second segment written up by late tonight. As netcom is slow, I hope it gets to you in good time. It may seem like a lot of work when you read the description, but it was the most rewarding single apparatus I ever built for a dark attraction. I'd love to hear from someone who tries it this year, and how the public reacts to it! -Doug From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 05:53:19 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:44:30 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Safety first Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Stu, I get the idea and I will work with you to keep safety part of the workings on the list. Thanks for the support. Does Denny really have a Tattoo?? Kathy always is smiling back. Kathy new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 06:19:32 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:49:31 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "David \"HOMER\" Simpson (or one of the Clan)" Subject: Re: Thanks... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Where do you get the styrofoam big enough for these big projects. I have been >to all the craft stores and the biggest they have is 12"x 18". I get most of the styrofoam for my projects at Michael's, a craft-store chain, and that's usually the size I get, I found that white Elmer's glue works wonders for joining pieces, (takes a while to dry, 10+ hours, but it's strong). Also, I use extra styrofoam braces across the back. >A mini - crypt sound great. I was about to use the crypt design from the archive, but when I got to the craft stores, I saw all the different styrofoam shapes, and the wheels in my head started spinning :) Everything's carved, and ready to be painted. >We are trying to work out how to get a banshee to come out of one window and go >back in another while hiding all the wires and stuff behind things. That sounds awesome, my girlfriend was reading along, and she wants to try something like it now. >and I want a moving scarecrow in the graveyard. We did that one year, but we just used an actor, a robotic scarecrow would be so much better. Please keep me updated. --Jason From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 07:59:20 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:49:38 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks../Foam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 07:57 PM 7/15/96 -0700, you wrote: >Sounds like you guys know how to have fun. Where do you get the styrofoam >big enough for these big projects. Your Yellow Pages will list expanded, polystyrene foam dealers that sell pieces as large as 4x4x8 ft. They will cut the large blocks of foam to any sizes you need. The problem with polystyrene foam suppliers is that they usually have a $100.00 minimum order... that's still a big piece of foam. The last time I actually had to buy from a supplier (for a work project) a 4x4x8 giant block cut to sheets ran around $150.00. For the sake of convenience and storage for Halloween projects, I just buy 2" thick or thicker 4x8 sheets at the local home center and pin, glue and stack it to the size I want. 2" thick is perfect for making headstones. The archives have my "technique" (or lack of it) for painting realistic headstones posted last year. This year any new foam decorations I build will get 2 coats of Stage Coat before painting for dent, ding and fire protection. I posted some info. about this stuff a few months ago. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 14:52:02 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:36:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Doug...you are the Pumpkin King! Gawrsh! Shucks...'tweren't nuthin! I'm just glad to be involved! If I can be of any direct assistance, let me know. Just don't ask me to take off my head and recite Shakespearian quotations. -Doug From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 15:28:06 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 05:26:15 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Another newbie. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Gina, Welcome to the greatest Halloween list around. You have some great ideas. I wish I could get my husband to get organized like you are. You asked a great question and I hope someone has the answer. A pattern for a body. If you get a reply please let me know. That would save a bundle on trying to buy parts. Good luck with your Haunting. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 16:02:20 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:56:03 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Simple Things Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Bobby R. writes: > Most of the stuff I do is on the simple > side... It doesn't have to be a big > complicated contraption to look great. > Sometimes the simplest detail gets the > most attention at my parties, when > something I worked long and hard on barely > gets a sniff! I mentioned this awhile back, but there's certainly new folks around by now... One of the best effects we had was something we never planned. We were doing a Twilight Zone theme, and my station was inside Rod Serling's mausoleum (the entry). I can't remember if I came up with the idea or if someone else put me up to it. We were bringing people through in small groups, and as our Rod Serling character finished his speech, I started calling for my mother in a child's voice, building quickly to hysterical screaming. "Rod" finally told me to cut it out because he had groups of kids running off and never getting into the house. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 16:35:21 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:27:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >I too vividly remember watching that, and anticipating the day that I would >actually get a chance to go and see it for myself. Which ended up being >sometime around 1980, or 81. [Ref: "The Wonderful World of Color' which Disney presented on Sunday nights in the 60's" - Haunted Mansion] Bill, Thank you for the welcome... Do you remember the part where Walt was talking to one of the imagineers and was shown miniatures of some of the effects to be used? There was one - a very small trial run on part of the Pepper's Ghost illusion used in the haunted ballroom. You looked into a small window, and there was the organ, playing by itself. Then, gradually, the ghost materialized on the organ bench. Now, I believe this footage came from the 'Disneyland' show, which was the predecessor of 'World of Color', and predated the final version of the ride, which was totally re-engineered after the '64 World's Fair prompted great advances in imagineering. As many people in this group probably already know, the attraction was originally planned as a walk-thru house, with illusions that triggered as you passed. I have always wondered what that might have been like, although I realize that it would have been a real bottleneck for crowd control. The Omnimover cars were a wonderful engineering compromise, however, and provide staging, isolation (you get the sense of a 'private' tour,) and allow a great ride capacity. That Pepper's Ghost ballroom was always my favorite scene. Now, just this past two years, I find Disney using another update on the texchnique in their vertical dark ride, the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. I can't get enough of this ride.. heh heh... The scene I am referring to is the hallway where the ghosts of the lost hotel guests appear momentarily. It's wonderful, and I won't spoil it for those who haven't yet seen it. Where's this all going? Well, I live in an apartment, and have no front yard these days to decorate for Halloween. I have only a single front window to decorate. Two years back, I had a miniature haunted house diorama, with a building that looked like something out of "Nightmare Before Christmas". It was lit from inside, and the windows glowed... there were glowing stars and a moon in the sky behind it... but it just sat there. No animation was present. Then, last year, I got to thinking about the Pepper illusion in T.O.T. I got the crazy notion to use a similar scene in my window. I became somehat obsessed (just ask my wife!) and spent about 150 hours (!) doing a hotel scene: the "Hotel Lugosi". It is going into my window again this year. It's automated, completely, with lighting, sound, and animation. A ghost gradually appears in the hall (via Pepper), talks to the person(s) looking in the window, and then vanishes. The doggone apparatus fills 1/3 of the living room... and my wife actually puts up with it! Oh, and it triggers with an infrared passive motion detector outside. I'm planning on making the plans for it available later this month to this group. It's probably be by e-mail only, as the details are just too long to post. If anyone else loves this effect as much as I do, you'll want these plans. And, no, I am not looking for money for them. :-) I'll warn you, however, that doing this properly may run you into about $4-5 hundred smackers of expense. Of course, we've got a lot of very creative people here... I hope someone proves me wrong. Never get me started talking Disney, or I'll ramble on forever! -Doug From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 17:03:34 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:12:52 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "David \"HOMER\" Simpson (or one of the Clan)" Subject: Re: Another newbie. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:32 AM 07/16/96 -0700, you wrote: >Howdy, I, too, am new to this mailing list. (New to mailing lists in general). Hi Gina, welcome to the list. :) >We do a giant "worm." The kids go into the mouth and, well, come out the other >end. The last time it came from its hole in the ground it was 70 feet long, ten >feet tall, and its digestive tract was 6 feet wide. Cost: about $35. Is this >the kind of thing you'd like to hear about? A giant worm, tell us more, it sounds great!! --Jason From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 17:05:05 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:22:42 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A Catalog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Lauren, Thanks for the info. on the catalog. I will have to be checking it out. Someone just handed it to you, how do you get so lucky, I have been sending for every catalog I can find. Thanks, Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 17:58:26 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "David \"HOMER\" Simpson (or one of the Clan)" Subject: Re: Safety Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:49 AM 07/16/96 -0600, you wrote: >Kathy's idea about the lights is a good one. >We just left the work lights installed, but >turned off; if there was an emergency, we >could simply switch them on and get folks >out and away. > Sounds like a good idea, when I do my set-ups around home, I always have a panic light system with multiple switches. And last year, when I worked at GYRO's World of Terror VII, the area had a power outage, emergency generators powered panic lights, it made it easier for all of us security team members to escort people out the nearest pocket door. --Jason From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 18:23:06 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:29:04 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Dungeons & good times To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: *>Just a note on the subject of dungeons that's been bouncing around. *> *> First, what a great idea to do a dungeon for Halloween, while my wife and I *>have always wanted a dungeon, we never thought of using it for Halloween. *>Then again... maybe it was just me that wanted one. :( *> *> If you live near one of the dinner theaters called Medieval Times, stop in *>and pick up the little book they sell on their Museum of Torture. It has *>around 60 pages of photographs and descriptions of some very unusual torture *>devices. Many of the devices could be duplicated out of cardboard, foam *>core, styrene sheet and plastic landscaping chain, then painted to look like *>rusty iron. *>If I remember right the book only costs a couple bucks. *>Denny Has anybody ever gone through the Torture Chamber that Medieval Times does around Halloween? Is it any good? I remember seeing a quick newsbyte about it on our local channel last year. Looked like their players were really putting their hearts into it.... -bill. -- <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>| | "It's like I've always said. You can get more with a kind | | word and a two by four than with just a kind word." | | | | -Marcus Cole | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** | <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>| From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Thu Jul 18 20:26:07 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:39:53 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Another newbie. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Denny thanks for the idea for making the dummy. We are trying to make a scarecrow for out graveyard and that will do nicely. Because I sew a lot I have a ton of left over quilting batting that I can stuff him with. Kathy new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 02:16:16 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:03:51 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Mannequins Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I was lucky enough to have the use of a borrowed mannequin (a friend's sister's) from a couple of years (a store going out of business or upgrading their displays, I think), but Denny's mannequin substitute: "using men's one piece, long underwear, 'union suits,' stuffing them with fiber fill and sewing across the elbows and knees so they bend correctly," is very clever and sounds easy to do--I'll have to remember this! A couple of years ago, after I stopped doing my haunted house, I got a friend in another state to do hers, and she put together a small, static, simple-but-really-dynamite display in her entry hall by dressing and posing as a gypsy fortune teller and spirits those 6-foot inflatable skeletons you can buy for next to nothing. You didn't see much of the skeletons themselves--they were used mostly to fill the clothes and shrouds--but what was visible looked remarkably better in dim light (some of these things have better faces for this than others). Someone on this list said it was all in the details: tarot cards, incense burning, lace shawls and tablecloths dripping from tables and French doors, strange music in the air, my turn-of-the-century-type black lanterns flickering in corners--we got so busy we forgot to take pictures! (Of course, this woman is an artist; if I hung this stuff around, it would look like the clearance sale at K-Mart). It was a very subdued, eerie effect, which I'd like to try sometime for a change after my years of screaming and jumping! From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 03:32:22 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:49:30 -0700 (MST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: trix@primenet.com (Darlene Horwath) Subject: Re: Growing moss/Safety Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi all Just catching up on my mail after a real busy week. This sounds like an excellent idea, but how would I find out this info? Is there some kind of checklist I could require before giving the "webbery seal of safety"? Any thoughts? Trix > It would be a nice addition to Darlene's haunted house registry to include >which haunts met local, minimum safety codes. >Later, >Denny > >B.T. Productions' >Terror By Design > >Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > > > From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 09:35:53 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:20:15 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "David \"HOMER\" Simpson (or one of the Clan)" Subject: Re: A Catalog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:22 AM 07/17/96 -0700, you wrote: >Lauren, > Thanks for the info. on the catalog. I will have to be checking it >out. Someone just handed it to you, how do you get so lucky, I have been >sending for every catalog I can find. Thanks, I tried calling and they only deal with companies. If I had thought on my toes, I would've made one up quickly, but as it is, I'll have to call back again. :) --Jason From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 10:09:21 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:59:45 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Doug, This sounds really cool. I love Disney more than any grown up should. I do have to ask you a very big rookie question...What is the Pepper Ghost Illusion?? I have been through the ride at least 100 times and I love the ballroom. So please tell me how it is done. I also would love to know if there is a way to copy the crystal ball illusion at the start of the ride. You know the one with the Gypsy in the crystal ball with the instruments floating over her head. My Husband has wanted to do the crystal ball thing for years, but we had no idea where to start. If you can give us a clue we would be thrilled. I can not believe that you are into this so strong and only have a apt. It would drive me nuts not to have the space to play. If you want to come over to our place and knock yourself out. Will be waiting for your reply. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 10:56:57 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 08:57:38 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Test - Please respond Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I have been sending stuff to the list for the last couple of weeks and getting no response. If you can read this, please post something to the list regarding it or send me mail personally at: dsparks@ligand.com Your help is greatly appreciated :) Doug dsparks@ligand.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 10:58:14 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:24:18 +0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: grizelda@astral.magic.ca (Ron Orr) Subject: new address Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Just to let people know; I've got a new address for email. It's grizelda@vianet.on.ca The old address above will probably be in place until August or so, until mail stops trickling in there... Ron on the move From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:01:36 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: xmas-l@netcom.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: From your knucklehead list manager.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All! I noticed today that I was getting near my 5.5mb quota, and was checking to see what was taking all my space, and WHAT!?!?! A file named "approve"? I setup the procmail filter to copy all the BOUNCE messages to a file named approve but could never get it working.... So I gave up 2 1/2 years ago. As of July 1, it started working again.... Unknown to me. So I have a bunch of files here that need to be approved and posted. About 4 for the xmas-l mailing list About 35 for the halloween-l mailing list My deep and sincere apologies about this. I have hacked the code out so it will be automatically sent to my normal mail folder. This mailing list is acting like it's haunted or something.... I kinda like it in a tooth ache kinda way.... :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:16:25 1996 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Katherine Townsend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: corpses Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Want to buy a corpse? This may have been posted but I haven't seen it. I stumbled across a web page that sells corpses...custom! Kits too! Check out http://distefano.com/ for some great graveyard goodies. K Townsend kltownsend@ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:18:10 1996 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:45:55 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Freya E. Harris" Subject: Torture Rack (was: Growing moss on decorations) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I was at a haunted house where they had a couple actors in a "torture" chamber. The rack was just a work table with a small barrel on an axis and with a large handle like a meat grinder handle attached on one end. Chains and fake blood completed the scene. ATLANTA, GEORGIA: Winner of the 1995 World Series Loser of the 1996 Olympic Games From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:29:52 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:35:46 -800 Subject: Re: Safety...fire inspectors...some experiences.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > About dealing with the Fire Marshalls and such regarding Haunts....I > don't have specifics with me, but they vary widely from city to city > and state to state. One thing is universal, tho..... One observation I have to make, though, is be careful in areas where the fire department runs their own haunted house. I've seen two specific instances where the fire department refused to sign off on any other commercial houses in their jurisdiction (except their own, of course). Seems competition was too great for them. And what's sad was that the one haunted house that I was affiliated with that was shut down this way was for the March of Dimes. -Brian From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:35:26 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:35:37 -800 Subject: Re: How To Operate A Haunted House book Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > Hey All, > The book- How To Operate A Financially Successful Haunted House by > Phil > Morris has been printed a couple of times. I've only seen the last > printed version from 1988. > Does anyone have "both" or all of the printings? What are the > differences > between them? Were any effects left out of later printings? I think > I remember Stu mentioning a spiral bound version, were other > bindings done? Somebody jes' gotta know. Denny Does anyone know if any of the large book stores carry/can order this thing? I tried last year, right after halloween and all the stores I asked had never heard of it, couldn't find it by ISBN number of anything. I'd love to have it... if I could get it. -Brian From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:37:15 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:35:43 -800 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Growing moss on decorations Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > >Is Straight from the grave in your area. I live in Sonoma and would > >love to check that store out. I have gone to your site and filled > >out your form. If you have a catalog I would love to have it. How > >far are you from Sonoma? Kathy the new kid on the crypt > > straight from the grave is a manufacturer. Rancho Cucamonga is where > the 10 and 15 intersect, about 900 miles. We are in prpocess of > making a copy of the web page onto paper for those without the tech > to view the web page. Hey! I work in Rancho Cucamonga! Gimme more informatiom! Gimme Gimme Gimme!!! :) -Brian From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:56:20 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 08:39:16 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Let me pick your brains (yummy)... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: As an aside: is everyone else here like me in that they're far more hyper over Hallowe'en than they ever were as kids during Christmas? 8-) Of Course :) We'd like some ideas on how to liven up a graveyard, since it will be the center of activity and focal point for this year (if weather permits, the kids won't even be reaching the house). We have tombstones -- I'll even be making more -- and lots of plastic "wrought iron" fencing to give it a nice look. But there aren't really any trees around to permit something like a flying ghost setup, so whatever your suggestions, they should probably be as self-contained as possible. We are also doing the graveyard, but thats only part of the display. I would like to hear about how you plan to do the wrought iron fencing, because I have been struggling with it myself. Each idea I come up with costs way too much. Oh, and I've already checked the archives. :) As have I, but I'll still get messages saying check the archives :) From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 11:57:11 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:38:23 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[4]: Not much time left (grin) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Anyone have a number to get a catalog? Or god forbid a web page address? Doug ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Not much time left (grin) Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway Date: 06/22/96 08:01 PM > Hi Jane! Welll....Tombstone Productions sells a vulture > (which, if I'm not mistaken, is made by Distortions) > which will run you a cool $135.00 - part number DU1150. > > I believe I saw it at the trade show...it's a pretty > large "latex/rubber/vinyl" type of guy. I didn't see > it on Distortion's web page, but they don't put all > the good stuff out there... Anything made by Distortions Unlimited (DU part numbers) can be pretty much counted on to be great quality. The problem is actually getting the stuff as they can never keep up with demand. Order DU stuff early!! Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:01:24 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 08:54:22 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Other interesting tidbits Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I wonder if it would get the desired results if the water temperature were regulated by something like aquarium heaters? Would be nice to use the spa as a giant fog maker and route it to the front yard. Also, it might be nice to have this elevated, and to get the fog to roll down a wall. It would make a nice eerie effect if done properly. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Other interesting tidbits Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway Date: 06/14/96 08:44 AM > 1) What are the benefits/detriments of using Dry Ice as a fog maker? > And can that fog be easily routed from an out of site area to where I > want the fog to linger? I have found that dry ice works really good but it only lasts for a little while. If you are going to be able to put new hot water in and new ice cubes about every 15-30 min, dry ice is the way to go, besides it is cheaper. Fog machines are more expensive but are able to output a lot of smoke when you need it. The difference between fog and dry ice is the dry ice hovers closer to the ground, but I have seen machines that will cool the fog down to make it hover lower. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:10:01 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:07:41 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Raise your bloody hands Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: This weekend should mark my first attempt at making an alginate mold to make rubber hands. Does anyone have any experience with this? I am trying to get enough of a bend in my hands to make it look like the hands are gripping something. I would like to remove my hands from the mold also, and this is where the problem lies. Is there a safe angle for the fingers in which I will still be able to remove my hands and NOT destroy the mold? I was thinking about a grip like holding a soda can. I think that gives me enough flexibility to use the hands around a stake later on. I don't believe I need to coat my hands as long as I remove them while it is still slightly soft, but I am open to suggestions before I become club-handed :) Doug dsparks@ligand.com From owner-xmas-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:11:24 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: xmas-l@netcom.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: From your knucklehead list manager.... Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All! I noticed today that I was getting near my 5.5mb quota, and was checking to see what was taking all my space, and WHAT!?!?! A file named "approve"? I setup the procmail filter to copy all the BOUNCE messages to a file named approve but could never get it working.... So I gave up 2 1/2 years ago. As of July 1, it started working again.... Unknown to me. So I have a bunch of files here that need to be approved and posted. About 4 for the xmas-l mailing list About 35 for the halloween-l mailing list My deep and sincere apologies about this. I have hacked the code out so it will be automatically sent to my normal mail folder. This mailing list is acting like it's haunted or something.... I kinda like it in a tooth ache kinda way.... :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:13:42 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:36 PDT To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: rbradvica@lightside.com (R. Bradvica) Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder & Safety Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Kathy (and all), > >If you *do* change your mind and decide to do the Jacob's Ladder, go to a >sign shop that makes neon signs and ask for a used neon sign transformer >(what were those specs again Denny?). Some shops may be willing to give >you one they plan to throw out. The one I went to didn't have one to give >me, but offered to let me borrow it and the box to put it in at no charge >for the time I need it. Very nice folks. If someone gives you one, it >should be a nice permanent addition to your set up... > >- Stu Just a thought, but would it be possible to enclose the Jacobs ladder somehow. Maybe between some plexi glass. Or would the plexi melt or take away from the effect? This is what I was considering but thought that I would toss it out here first. Something like this... (eeek, ASCI art) plexi \/ ______________________________ = = 2x4 > = "Jacobs Ladder" = <2x4 = = ______________________________ plexi /\ If anyone else has anyideas they would be appreciated. Thanks Robert From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:14:27 1996 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:58:48 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Debra MacLean Subject: Re: That < little > Extra Detail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Does anyone know any cute and simple halloween projects to make? thanks. At 06:02 PM 7/12/96 EST, you wrote: >Hi, folks. > >For a nice touch to add to your haunt/mini-haunt, I recalled seeing this at >the trade show in Chicago... > >Most Craft supply stores sell those pre-routered wooden plaques. They also >sell pre-cut letters from wood. Lastly, they sell the different paint kits >that allow you to simulate marble, antiquing and stone. > >Make yourself signs for mounting wherever you'd like. Some great suggestions >are: Morgue, Asylum, Cemetary, etc. You get the idea. Now paint them up >in whatever finish you'd like. I particularly liked the stone finish. You >might even add those little wooden plugs painted a steel gray or some such >color to simulate masonry nails or bolts. > >Think like the pros! Details, details, details! Have fun... > >- Stu > Debra MacLean Administrative Assistant Cornell University e-mail: dam6@cornell.edu From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:16:04 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:15:55 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween Subject: catalog of interest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: The other day Stu asked me for the name and address of the catalog I use for a lot of paper supplies. I am posting it here, but I do own a photography business and I use the props for the studio. I have not heard of them not sending anyone a catalog. School Events Anderson's Events 4875 White Bear Parkway White Bear Lake, MN 55110 1-800-748-7004 They are very good about marking what materials are flame proof or not. It is really a great catalog with all sorts of decorating supplies. I hope this is a help. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:16:35 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:34:28 -800 Subject: Re: do you notice? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > And yes we did see a smaller amount of kids. The next year > everything was back to normal and the kid count doubled. We thought > that maybe since the yard was not done up parents might think that > different people had moved in and didn't want to take a chance. I > like the idea of the cross stich eyes. Tell us more :) Kathy The new > kid on the crypt I wonder what the problem is around here then... I used to put together huge haunted houses that took up the entire front yard, back yard, garage and a substantial part of the house and I would have 200-300 people through it on Halloween. The numbers shrank year after year until the last year I did that before I moved, I had 26 people through. Now that I live in a new area, last year I saw under 20 kids, even though I had a nice Halloween display. Makes me wonder if it's worth it. -Brian From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:18:10 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Safety first To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Marcrum writes: > > Stu, > I get the idea and I will work with you to keep safety part of the > workings on the list. Thanks for the support. Does Denny really have a > Tattoo?? Kathy always is smiling back. I hear that Denny is covered with tattoos! He's hoping that it will attract the attention of the youngsters that trick or treat as hookers. Sorry Denny....couldn't resist. -Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:18:29 1996 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:32:03 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Freya E. Harris" Subject: Re: Help plan a Halloween Wedding Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On "America's Funnies Home Videos" they showed a brief scene from a Frankenstein wedding. The bride was the monster bride, big hair and all, and the groom was the classic Frankenstein monster. The officiator was dressed as a doctor, and they exchanged vows whilst touching one of those lightning lamps that shoots streaks of electrons. That's just one possibility. Or, you may want to take some inspiration from vampires - they're strongly associated with dark love. For music, instead of the trite traditional wedding marches, try Mussorgski's "Night on Bald Mountain." Berlioz' (?) Symphony Fantastique and Grieg's Peer Gynt suite have some spooky passages as well. If I get any more ideas, I'll send them. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:27:40 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:32:17 -0700 From: rleach@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spinning 'Twilightish' Spiral Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Something I was thinking. The original post mentioned that it was important to get the styrofoam centered on the motor. Perhaps you could just mount the styrofoam, turn the motor on slowly & hold a pen on the styrofoam at the desired radius. As the foam turns, a perfect circle will be drawn that would show where to cut. There would be no wobble worries. Just a thought. roy. > From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Jul 17 00:39 PDT 1996 > Return-Path: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:26:58 -0700 > From: Michael Marcrum > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Re: Spinning 'Twilightish' Spiral > References: <2.2.32.19960709203447.00676074@pyrotechnics.com> <31E46B63.2483@ix.netcom.com> <31E825DD.2618@ix.netcom.com> <31E9C27D.3A54@ix.netcom.com> > Sender: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com > Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I like the way you do things. I am not able to afford big fancy stuff to > make things work, so homemade is the way I go. My husband can take > anything and make it work, as long as I push him :) Keep typing I am > always reading. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:30:00 1996 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: O.K., All You Haunters... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 11:34:26 EST > From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: O.K., All You Haunters... > > I have a direct challenge to all you haunters out there... > > Safety is an issue that should not (and can not) be ignored when it comes > to Halloween. It doesn't matter if you're setting up the front yard, or- > ganizing a haunted house for the PTA, or working for one of the mega-haunts. > Accidents are one of the most preventable types of injuries or even death. It is certainly a great idea, Stu! I didn't mean for my post to come down hard on you, as now that I re-read it, it might seem. So I am certainly sorry for the tone. I, too, am interested and will check with the fire dept. here in Elk Grove, CA. I have had them walk thru it *on* Halloween, but they said nothing. I am basiclly ignorant about local laws, which is terrible. It all started so innocently, just a little walkthru but that's not even a ok reason why... :( It will be a education for sure... don From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:33:16 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 09:51:36 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: WRONG IDEA Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I am going to try the fog spitting pumpkins this year, and am looking for a way to get a red or maybe blue light inside the pumpkin. Since the fog will be travelling through the pumpkin's orifice, the colored light would make an excellent addition to the effect. I hope to space 3-4 pumpkins, attached in the back by dryer hose, to spew the fog out into my yard. Any ideas on what to use for lighting the pumpkins? Doug Dsparks@ligand.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: WRONG IDEA Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway Date: 06/29/96 01:44 PM I love pumpkin carving. Not only that but this year I am growing my own pumpkins for my haunted yard. We use the store bought patterns and change them around to fit our mood. This year we are going to try to take patterns from our grapghic program and use them. Last year we had over 25 carved pumpkins, the people at the local grocery thought I was nuts :) The only problem we have is getting enough light in them. We really don't like using candles for safety reasons and we have not found another way to get that same glow. Any ideas???? Thanks to the pumpkin mailing list I am on I am hoping to get that GREAT PUMPKIN so that I can take kids pictures next to it. As my husband says "dream on". Do you have any great ideas for patterns? If you want to talk Pumpkins I will always be here. The new kid on the crypt Kathy From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:36:38 1996 Date: Thu Jul 11 11:26:04 1996 From: nd8748@sunams.usma.army.mil (McKiernan Diane) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe instructions Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, McKiernan Diane wrote: > >> Please help me unsubscribe to this list. > >(I have unsubscribed her from the list) > >To unsubscribe from the halloween-l list, please send mail to >listserv@netcom.com with > >unsubscribe halloween > >in the body of the post. > >don >bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ >Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ >animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> >http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== >/~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== > Thanks---the list was great but I'm too busy with too many other things right now--I wish I could travel around & see everyone's homes for the holidays--that would be a great tour. Another idea would be a Web site with pictures scaned by eveyone of their decorations. Diane McKiernan ,,, (o o) ___________________oOOo-(_)-oOOo________ United States Military Academy (USMA) West Point, NY 10996 Office of Institutional Research W: 914-938-2803/2614 Fax 914-938-7380 H: 914-565-7654 ------------------------------- nd8748@sunams.usma.army.mil From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:45:01 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 15:11:32 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Plan is comming together Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: It's quite amazing how one of those Rosco foggers can fill up a store :) I tested one about a week ago and the place filled up in less than a minute. (Of course I insisted that we turn output on it to 100%) I expect for about 6 hours of outside fog, I will need 2 bottles of fog juice. I realize also that the fog may disappear quickly, but with luck we may have enough dew that it will stay around a little longer. If you are going to rent a fogger, look now. San Diego Stage and Lighting only had 3-4 left for the Halloween time period. The tombstones are underway. I am using styrofoam sheets from the local Home Depot. (8x4 sheets for $9) I am coating them with gray paint and using the trick of an unrestricted black spray paint can to get an aged effect. I got the replacement bulbs for my Malibu lights to turn them blue and red. (blue for the tombstones and red for the hanged man in the tree.) Along these lines, anyone here know of a way to do realistic looking flesh at CHEAP prices? I want to do the head of the hanged man with bulging eyes and slightly swollen face. Only problem is paper maiche (sp) probably will look bad, but then again I don't think I can make an alginate mold of my head and extrapolate. I am also securing material to make a staked vampire in one of the graves. (My wife will kill me once she sees me digging up the front lawn) I am going to have him clutching the stake in his chest, and will make the hands out of alginate molds and rubber-like materials. Any ideas how to improve on what I have discussed? Doug dsparks@ligand.com More on my setup as things happen :) From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:47:54 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:35:34 -800 Subject: Re: FW: Photos Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Karen Davis writes: > ...i've read about this being done as a double-exposure with a > polaroid...(in an article that debunked ufo photography, believe it > or not)...basically, you take the first shot, and hold the exit door > with your hand so the pic doesn't eject, and then take the second > shot on the same film sheet... ...actually, i think, now that i > think about it, i'm not sure how you could make it work for all the > film in the film pack...could you take all the film, reload it > immediately into the film pack and then reshoot it all again...or > maybe have two cameras and an assistant, take the first shot out of > the public eye, asst brings in camera, you take second shot, which > appears to customer to be the only one, asst meanwhile takes first > shot backstage on second camera, comes and swaps it for the one you > just used...is this getting too involved???.... ...like i said, i > just read about how this guy took these ufo pics on an 'older > polaroid' and a debunker showed how they could have been faked by > double-exposure of the film sheets... ...good luck...and try not to > spend too much on film packs while checking it out!!!... You'd have to remove the film in a dark room and make sure that it was never ejected. Polaroid film develops when chemical developer packets in the bottom of the picture are broken during ejection. It is possible to do, certainly but quite difficult. -Brian From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:54:39 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Growing moss on decorations To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Denny and all: I am still alive here and have much moss growing between my toes that I will send by Fedex to Denny. As Denny alluded to there is an excess of moss growing here in the Northwest. Just send me your props Denny and I will leave them outside for a few weeks and that will be that. I have just spent the last couple of weekends spraying a bleach solution and power washing my house to kill all the *$*#&*$^ moss and goo growing on it. I've got to get my house painted before Halloween season hits. I have been oh-so envious of all the discussion here and have had no chance throw in my commentary. If all goes well I may get a little shop time in after the house gets painted. While I don't have any ideas about the recipe for moss, I have a couple of alternatives. The first is just to paint on a patina green finish that would emulate a weathered mossy type finish. I was at the paint store today and they had many patina finishes to choose from. If you have your heart set on moss, I have used the old hot glue gun to glue moss on a tree stump project before. I just bought a bag of decorative moss at the local craft store and glued it on thick. I then pulled off a lot of the loose stuff and what was left looks real good. While milwiron@btprod.com writes: > > At 06:13 AM 7/8/96 EDT, Bill wrote about growing moss: > > >I've heard of mixing it with beer and sugar in a blender, and then paint it > >on but I haven't tried it (yet). I bet the recipe goes something like: 1 part moss, 1 part sugar, splash of beer- mix well. Drink rest of beer! > > > >> Does anyone have the actual formula and procedure, and what do you feed it > >>once it does grow? Splash of beer to feed, drink rest of beer. > > > >I've got a patch of moss under a maple tree in the yard, I never feed it. > > I've got a patch of maple tree attached to my moss, I never feed it either. -Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:56:17 1996 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:10:46 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Kevin Griffin Subject: Re: Growing moss on decorations Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:38 PM 7/7/96 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I don't know how to help you but I really like the idea. So when you find >> out please send it to me. The idea of real moss growing on the tombstones >> sounds creepy. I am having a dungeon this year and that would be a great >> look. Not a bad idea, good thinking. >> Kathy >> the new kid on the crypt > >Kathy, > >Hi, I'm Bobby. I am also planning on doing a dungeon this year. >I'd love to hear some of your ideas. > >My dungeon will exist in my basement. I generally cover the walls >with black plastic and paint a scene on it. Last year I did a >graveyard scene with some florecent highlights, it really looked >great. But I'm not too sure about dungeon walls. My current idea >is to hang the plastic and paint large stone blocks all over the >basement. Then hang skeletal remains from shackles... that kind >of thing. What about you? > >Bobby R. > How about using foam sheeting that they use in building houses. Cut block designs in it and spray paint it grey. Or you could cut rock designs in it and paint it a brown like inside a cave. Kevin The Gate Keeper From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 12:56:59 1996 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:52:49 -0700 From: rleach@porky.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Other interesting tidbits Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Okay, here' the scoop on X10. This magical system works by plugging a controller into the wall (any outlet). Next, plug a module into another outlet. When you push a button on the controller (eg. Unit 1 on), a signal is sent through the 120 volt wiring to the module. This requires that both the ccontroller & the module be on the same leg of the house wiring. Each module has a settable address so that you can address each one indivdually (or if you set 2 modules to the same address, both will act identically) When a module gets a signal it will do what its told until its told to do something else (ie, it stays on until it receives an off signal). There are a few different types of modules: lamp modules that can dim, appliance modules that are on/off only but handle greater loads, and relay modules that can be used as a switch for other devices (ie fog machine controller). You do NOT want to run motors or fog machines or neon or florecent lights off of a lamp module because of the way that they do their dimming. There is a lag from the time that you push abutton on the controller until the time that a module responds (sometimes up to 2 secs). There are different types of controllers, but they're basically all the same other than the number of buttons. There is also a computer interface so the computer can control your devices. Cost is about $10 for a basic controller and about $12 for each module. The system is known as X10, PowerHouse, and several others. It has been sold by many companies includeing DAK, Radio Shack, and Sears. roy. > >From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jun 14 16:33 PDT 1996 >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:56:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: Don Bertino >To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Subject: Re: Other interesting tidbits > >On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > >> At 07:30 AM 6/13/96 -0700, Don wrote: >> >> >I have 29 50ft extension cords, and 3 100ft ones. But I always have to >> >borrow the neighbors extension cords to trim my lawn with the weed wacker >> >during Halloween and Christmas..... :) :) :) >> >> DANG Don, no wonder I can never find any extension cords! > >Heh heh heh.... I got a good deal on them, $4.90 for 50ft 3-16 orange >extension cords. Home Depot sale. > >> >Hey Denny? You were experimenting with X10 last year, could you step in >> >and let us know how it went? >> >> I used X-10/Plug-N-Power units from Radio Shack last year to control the on >> and off functions of two fog machines and the flying ghost. I found it very >> handy to have. This year I'll do more with it, it's nice being able control >> stuff from the wireless remote. > >I'm a bit vague on that, do they all have to be on the same circuit for >the RF to reach the switches? Are there outdoor models? Or did you >replace your recticles permenetly? (sp?) > >don >bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ >Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ >animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> >http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== >/~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== > From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 13:04:46 1996 From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 15:20:32 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: OK gang Help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > > I am really, REALLY interested this year in adding action to my yard. > I want the bodies in the graveyard to turn, the arms try to dig out of > the grave, and the coffin to open. Can any of you help me with beginners > plans for these robotics. I am not a pro so this has to be a starter > guide for non technical persons willing to learn. Can anyone help? I second the motion! I'd also be interested in hearing some beginners tips on adding action to a "scene". Last year I constructed the ever popular "Pop-Ghost" and tried my hand at the "Floating Ghost"... the first was a great success, the second was a dismal failure. Too much wind and too many trees caused headaches too great to complain about. Errr, make that third the motion :) How did you implement the pop-ghost? I had thought of adding that, but a compressor is something I don't have just yet :( The floating ghost is something I will hold off on until I can find the materials I will need. That might be the same case with the pop-ghost, but I really would like to add some movement to this display. P.S. Has anyone out there had any experience with the book "Control the World with Your PC" by Paul Bergsman? I'm thinking of getting it, but it's $35 so I'd like to hear that it's worth it before I buy it. Have you tried looking at the local library? Most libraries will also let you transfer at least county-wide from another library if your's doesnt have it. I found the book mentioned here earlier regarding molding and casting, and checked it out so I can start my molds. Doug dsparks@ligand.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 13:07:15 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: THIS PUMPKIN LIST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: This is a little late in the pumpkin thread but I am trying to catch up on a few of these great topics and thought I would throw in my favorite carved pumpkin idea. Thanks to Tim for the Pumpkin references, I think I will have to try and grow a monster pumpkin next year. At our last party we had about 30 carved pumpkins with about 20 in a big "patch" in an island in the driveway. (This was somewhat of a Nightmare Before Xmas" setup and included a scarecrow a'la Jack in his scarecrow outfit. This was cool but not the topic of this post. We have a long driveway and I used to put a carved pumpkin every other post or so along each side. The pumpkin carving chore was getting to be just that, a severe chore. We can't carve them too early in the Northwest or they start to mold quickly and turn to mush. So this task would take valuable time in the days before the party. So I started to look for shortcuts and came upon a great technique. This won't work for all your pumpkins but if you have the right area you will love it for some of them. The idea is nothing more than to get two jack o'lanterns from one pumpkin. I clean the beast and then carve two faces in the pumpkin on opposite sides. I then slice the whole thing vertically down the middle. On my fence I tack in a couple of nails that are left sticking out about an inch out. The nails are about 5 inches apart depending on the pumpkin size. I then hang the pumpkin on the nails (like hanging a picture.) There is still plenty of space for the candle to go inside. This looks great as you come down the driveway with pumkins staring at you from both sides and it is half the work to accomplish the same look. You can use this anywhere you have a wall to hang the pumpkin on. I figured out a few tricks to make it easier. I cut the clean-out hole in the side instead of the top. It makes it stronger at the top for hanging and a side hole makes it easier to get to the candle in the tight space in 1/2 a pumpkin. The plug will stay in without a problem. The vertical cut needs to pass through the middle of the clean-out hole. For the driveway I also "aim" the faces to look at the on-coming cars so I don't carve the face dead center on each side. It makes for some new interesting twists on the faces as well. One word of caution, (keeping in line with the safety thread...I don't want the wrath of tattooed, Fire Marshall Denny after me :-) ) the candle gets very close to the wall that you are hanging the pumpkin on. I have noticed scorch marks on my fence but my fence is usually soaking wet from all the rain and has lots of naturally grown moss on it. These types of pumpkins are good candidates for a candle that is in a little glass or something (like you find on the table at your nearest intimate restaurant.) T D AKER writes: > > > Thanks to the pumpkin mailing list I am > > on I am hoping to get that GREAT PUMPKIN > > so that I can take kids pictures next to > > it... > > WHAT pumpkin mailing list!? > > WELL, here is the address on the web where it is: > http://www.athenet.net/~dang/pumpkins.html > The place to sign up for the giant pumpkin list is in > this web page,go here and sign up.They are great people > who know more about growing the big ones than anybody. > Thats about enough verbiage for a sliced pumpkin. Thanks again for the pumpkin references. -Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 13:10:53 1996 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:10:56 -0700 From: rleach@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Photos Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Now, I haven't tried this (I have no Polaroid), but it might work. The Instamatic film works by being exposed then an electric motor pushes the film through some rollers which squishes the fixer onto the film. The reason that a Polaroid won't work is that once it's exposed, the motor takes over & you can't expose it again. What if you remove the battery from the camera, shoot your first shot of a person, re-install the battery then shoot a black background? Of course, you have to remove the battery in complete dark so the film won't get exposed (I think the battery is in the same compartment as the film.) Just a thought. roy. > From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Jul 16 23:51 PDT 1996 > Return-Path: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:28:40 -0500 > From: Jason R > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Re: Photos > References: <9606118371.AA837129055@ccsmtp.uage.com> > Sender: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com > Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com wrote: > > I've been struggling with this one for the past couple of Halloweens. I saw > > in a book a long time ago a special effect where you use your camera to > > create a ghost image out of a person. Can this be done with a Polaroid? > > > > - Stu > > Not as far as the "Instant" kind go {Hey, get those "dirty" polaroid > ideas out of your head} > > The kind of effect is created by takeing a plate of film, only half > exposing it with a person shot against a black background. Then > re-shooting the film again in regaurle use. When it is devolped you > will see the two images on the film. This effect was used by so called > the "Ghost Photograph" or "Sprite {Pronounced Sperit} Photograph's". > You know there were guys who would travle into town, and say they > could {For a fee} get you in touch with your dead reletives {This was > way way back when folks} They would take your money and shoot a > picuture, even devolpe it right in front of you, so you could see > there was no fakerey. When the photo devolped there was this bulury > image, your dead cousin or whathave you. > > A good trick to play on good freands, and take there money {No, dont > really take there money.. If you need some money, however...} > > Jay > > -- > Jason R > Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} > VRC Homepage, Use it to find out ALL your Disney info needs. > --Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- > "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 13:26:21 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Disney's Haunted Mansion/Phanton Manor Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi All! I'm sure one of the top Haunted House's in the world is Disney's HM. It has inspired me as well as many other people. But we don't get to see it often enough.... :( Well, let me give a few points to where some great info is: Steve Ziolkowski has put together two great web pages at: http://www.rhythm.com/~stevez/hauntedMansion.html http://www.rhythm.com/~stevez/phantomManor.html that step you thru each mansion with some great images. On the Bertino Disney archive is two .midi files that play the haunting tune from all three mansion as well as a map of the ride interior, as well as the Haunted Mansion FAQ that answers some of the questions about how they do that: http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/disney.html This helps me to get over the hump until I get to ride it one more time... :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 14:16:33 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:53:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: The spectre, part three, and last. To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: The "Flying Crank" Ghost, Part 3 ---Before we Begin---- For those of you who have read my original posts of parts one and two, I should point out that there were a couple of errors in the texts. In part one, I mentioned a trim pot (potentiometer) with a value of 100K Ohms. My mistake. A 10K Ohm pot will be more than adequate for most applications of this illusion. In fact, I am using a 1K Ohm trim with range to spare, but due to my present application, my audio levels must be kept very low. If you run the ghost's voice at attraction levels, you may need more adjustment range; thus the 10K value. If your real- world situation proves far different than mine (that is, if you still can't trim the eye circuit so that the L.E.D.'s flash properly), go ahead and use the 100K Ohm pot I suggested originally. In part two, I suggested that a double pulley be used for rear counterweight. Two separate pulleys are needed, in reality, for they must be able to rotate independently of each other, so as not to bind the lines they hold. My original version used a front counterweight, and I tossed my updated remarks off to quickly! For this, I apologize. Furthermore, if it is not already obvious, the counterweight should not be quite as heavy as the ghost; otherwise, the spectre will never get off the ground! Several of our esteemed imagineers have already asked for the uue .jpg's I have prepared. I would suggest to anyone else who is even remotely interested in this project that they get the .jpg's, for a single clear diagram is worth a thousand ASCII characters of imagineering drivel. Don Bertino has kindly posted these at his web page, and they may now be found there! What a nice guy! :-) http://www.calweb.com/~bertino ----------------------------------- Now, we come to the business at hand... The Eyes: There are two ways to go with this part of the project. You can have steady-state glowing eyes in your ghost, which are always on; or you can have eyes that flash with a pre-recorded (or even live, through an offstage microphone) speech. Both approaches require that you install L.E.D.'s in both of the figure's eye sockets. Carefully solder a long (6' or longer) wire lead to the _short_ lead on one L.E.D. and to the _long_ lead of the other. Now, solder a 1.5 foot wire to the remaining leads on each L.E.D. With electrical tape, completely wrap both exposed soldered leads on each L.E.D. to prevent shorting. NOTE: The above step is important - you want to connect the short lead (cathode) of one L.E.D. to the long lead (anode) of the other, using the wires that emerge from behind the head. For those who will use batteries and a trim pot (or resistor) for 'constant on' eyes, the positive terminal of the battery must feed the long lead (anode) of the L.E.D. You must know which wire is which! The formula for deciding the value of the ballast resistor for a given D.C. voltage supply will be discussed below in the Appendix ("L.E.D. Math for Imagineers"), with examples. Using a long ice-pick or knitting needle, punch holes through the head assembly from the sockets to the back. Next, finish the painting of the figure, as described below, _before_ inserting the L.E.D. assemblies into the sockets. When you have finished painting, and the figure is completely dry, attach the back ends of your leads near the point of the knitting needle (or of a long piece of stiff coat-hanger wire) using electrical tape. Make sure that you tape the wires to the chosen guide _tightly_, so that the needle or wire does not hang on the fabric while going through. Use this assembly to push the wires through the holes in the head so that the leads exit the back of the head. Be careful not to damage the L.E.D.'s, the wires, or the solder connections while doing this. Remove the electrical tape from the guide, and extract it, being careful to hold the wires so they do not pull back out with the guide. After the needle (or coat-hanger wire) guide has been removed, pull carefully on the electrical leads that emerge from the back of the head until the L.E.D.'s rest in the bottoms of the eye sockets. Now, make the electrical connection between the short lead from one eye to the long lead of the other eye (connect the two short wires right near the back of the head. You will end up with only 2 long wires trailing to the power supply or amp driver system (for voice version.) Remember, keep in mind which wire is which at all times, if you plan to use the non-voice D.C. version. [If you have the jpeg diagram (crank3.jpg) of the eye electrical system, it will help to study it now. Don't try the voice version without this illustration, as it is difficult to describe it concisely in text.] Setting Up the Talking Version: With the L.E.D. hookup completed, play a tape through the amplification system of whatever the ghost is to say. Adjust the trim pot so that the eyes flash on the words: start with the eyes dark, and slowly 'turn up the volume' of the ballast potentiometer until the eyes just begin to flicker. Do this with the system volume set to the level you expect it to run at during the operation of your attraction, and all should go well. You may find that you have to turn the potentiometer nearly all the way to the "full up" position for the flashing to begin. This is normal in many cases. I have suggested a potentiometer value that will most likely handle a wide range of settings on the amplifier, from a whisper to a loud scream. If you find even the 10K pot overloading, switch to a 100K or higher value potentiometer. If the eyes don't light, check the continuity of the wiring, check to see if your solder connections are still holding, and be sure that you aren't using a bad (open or blown) L.E.D. in one or both eyes. Painting The Figure: An approach to using fluorescent paint Really, the best approach to painting a fabric prop that will be used in a blacklight setting is to paint it _in_ a blacklight-lit setting. Even before you begin painting, when visiting the fabric store, take along a small portable blacklight, and expose a bit of the fabrics you sample to it. You may be surprised at the results. If you want to start with a dark surface, be sure your fabric is not impregnated with 'blueing' (a fluorescent dye commonly found in laundry detergents) or a fluorescent factory dye. With this in mind, and with your draped figure ready to paint in a blacklit environ, consider technique. Don't just saturate the surface with the chosen color until it is submerged in paint! If you want subtlety, and you are starting with a non-fluorescent surface, use a very light mist, by spraying from a distance when using aerosol paint, or by using an airbrush with a very low paint-to-air mixture. Watch under the blacklight as the effect builds up on the figure or object. Stop when you achieve a mysterious glow. Remember that fluorescent paint is a visible light source, just like a light bulb is. If there is too much of it, it produces too much light, and thus will reveal details that you may want to leave hidden, killing the atmosphere you have worked hard to create. When painting with fluorescent paints, remember that adding color is not the same as with ordinary non-fluorescent colors. When you add fluorescent red, blue, and green in the right mixture, you don't get a murky brown... you get white! Yes, like a color TV, which uses red, blue and green phosphor dots to get colors, you are painting with _light_ (not mixing colors) under blacklight. In short, take a scrap of material and experiment. You will be surprised what may be done with light mists of fluorescent paint. I suggest that you use a mixture of blue and green on the spectre in this example. Of course, yellow (which tends to look slightly green as a fluorescent dye) might produce an equally attractive ghost. This is your call. You can also use flat black to produce the effect of shadows under blacklight. It can help correct places that are too bright. Be sparing, and take your time... and, of course, experiment first. When you finish with the painting, you will install the L.E.D. eyes, as mentioned above. My suggestion is that you paint the interior of the eye sockets _flat black_ so that the the eyes seem to float within them like mysterious points of fire. The effect is really nice, and you will agree when you see it! Preparation for Public Operation: Run-test the spectre before it goes into service. Make sure the pulleys don't hang, and that the armature works without snagging. Run your voice setup (or constant-on eyes) with the figure in motion, and be sure your wiring is robust. If you use a battery for the figure's eyes, be sure to disconnect it at the end of the evening when you shut down your haunt. Observe Safety Precautions: Don't locate the hot part of the motor drive within a foot of anything flammable! Turn off all power when you shut down. Check the figure continually throughout the night for malfunctions (hang-ups) that might cause overheating of the mechanism. Don't point blacklight sources into customers' eyes. It's unsubtle, and the effect is crude. Unlike white light, blacklight does not warn the iris of the human eye to contract normally, and may cause the person to have the effect of a temporary loss of visual acuity, although minor. It can be like the effect of staring into a car's headlight if the blacklight source is strong enough. Even though reasonable exposure to long wave UV (blacklight) is harmless, be kind to your customers! Locate your ghost where it cannot be mangled by the grasp of a passerby. This should go without saying. If you spend a lot of time on a figure, don't subject it to possible abuse. Finally, enjoy your creation. Spend time looking at your actor/actress in action. Play with the rig, and make little adjustments until she (or he) is playing to your audience the way that you (the director) wish. Above all, have fun with it! ----------------------------------APPENDIX------------------------------ For those of you wishing to use L.E.D.'s in any Halloween project, the following information will be invaluable. Walls of 'bat' eyes and many other such effects are possible with these little wonders, which commonly outlast miniature light bulbs many times over. If you've never played with them, here's your chance to experiment. L.E.D. Math for Imagineers R (ballast) = V (power supply) - V (L.E.D.'s) / 15 x 10^-3 (or .0015) ------ V (L.E.D.'s) values (Multiply these values times the number of L.E.D.'s you use in series.) Red 1.8V Yellow 2.0V Green 2.2V Blue 3.4V (Good luck finding blue ones, but they look great!) EXAMPLES: For 2 Red L.E.D.'s on a 12V supply, use a 5.6 K Ohm resistor [or: 1.8 x 2 in series = 3.6 V of Red L.E.D.'s, so... (12-3.6) / .0015 = 5600 Ohm or 5.6 K Ohm ballast required] For 2 Red L.E.D.'s on a 9V supply, use a 3.6 K Ohm resistor For 2 Red L.E.D.'s on a 6V supply, use a 1.6 K Ohm resistor 2 Red L.E.D.'s on a 3V supply need no ballast - it will probably work, despite the predictions of the formula, but it will eat your battery alive! In other words, you should use at least 6 volts or higher to be practical. NOTES: The LONG lead on an L.E.D. is the ANODE, which expects to see the positive (+) terminal of the D.C. power supply or battery. As mentioned above in the text, the anode of one L.E.D. must be connected to the cathode of the other for the pair to work. L.E.D.'s are, as their name implies, diodes, and thus they will only pass electrical current in one direction. DO NOT connect L.E.D.'s in parallel. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 01:08:26 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:59:39 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Not much time left (grin) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Doug, I missed a lot of mail, what are you looking for in the catalogs? Kathy new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 01:21:21 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:00:39 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:59 PM 7/18/96 -0700, Kathy wrote: >Doug, > This sounds really cool. I love Disney more than any grown up should. I >do have to ask you a very big rookie question...What is the Pepper Ghost >Illusion?? Ya gotta check those archives first Kathy, there's quite a lot of Pepper's Ghost info in there from last year. There are also a number of relevant pages in the book How To Operate A Financially Successful Haunted House. A history of the effect is include in the book- Ghost Masters. You can find both books at The Nightmare Factory or local book stores. Libraries should be able to borrow copies from other libraries if they don't have 'em on the shelf. Denny From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 01:27:57 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:16:45 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "David \"HOMER\" Simpson (or one of the Clan)" Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:59 PM 07/18/96 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > This sounds really cool. I love Disney more than any grown up should. I >do have to ask you a very big rookie question...What is the Pepper Ghost >Illusion?? I have been through the ride at least 100 times and I love the >ballroom. So please tell me how it is done. Kathy, I just scanned and sent a simplified version of the ballroom from Phillip Morris' HTOAFSHH :) Hope it goes through all right... Its a UUE encoded *.JPG. > if there is a way to copy the crystal ball illusion at the start of the >ride. The Haunted Mansion FAQ explains pretty much how it's done if you can get ahold of that :) --Jason From owner-xmas-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 05:28:35 1996 From: susie@execpc.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:25:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: From your knucklehead list manager.... To: xmas-l@netcom.com, xmas-l@netcom.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Yeah, Don... we all like those dull toothaches :) <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com Return-Path: owner-xmas-l@netcom.com Subject: From your knucklehead list manager.... To: xmas-l@netcom.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All! I noticed today that I was getting near my 5.5mb quota, and was checking to see what was taking all my space, and WHAT!?!?! A file named "approve"? I setup the procmail filter to copy all the BOUNCE messages to a file named approve but could never get it working.... So I gave up 2 1/2 years ago. As of July 1, it started working again.... Unknown to me. So I have a bunch of files here that need to be approved and posted. About 4 for the xmas-l mailing list About 35 for the halloween-l mailing list My deep and sincere apologies about this. I have hacked the code out so it will be automatically sent to my normal mail folder. This mailing list is acting like it's haunted or something.... I kinda like it in a tooth ache kinda way.... :) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== <---- End Included Message ----> Susie et in Arcadia ego From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 13:28:10 1996 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:04:03 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: How To Operate A Haunted House book Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >> Hey All, >> The book- How To Operate A Financially Successful Haunted House by >> Phil >> Morris has been printed a couple of times. I've only seen the last >> printed version from 1988. >> Does anyone have "both" or all of the printings? What are the >> differences >> between them? Were any effects left out of later printings? I think >> I remember Stu mentioning a spiral bound version, were other >> bindings done? Somebody jes' gotta know. Denny > >Does anyone know if any of the large book stores carry/can order this >thing? I tried last year, right after halloween and all the stores I >asked had never heard of it, couldn't find it by ISBN number of >anything. > >I'd love to have it... if I could get it. > >-Brian Have them in stock and available for shipment immediately. $11.98 + shipping. Call tue-fri 11-7 PST. or sat 11-5 and ask for tad, or just tell my wife what you want. Tad. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd http://home.earthlink.net/~makeup Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 murphy_for_congress@desktop.tyrell.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 13:31:29 1996 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:04:17 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: Raise your bloody hands Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > > This weekend should mark my first attempt at making an alginate mold > to make rubber hands. Does anyone have any experience with this? I am > trying to get enough of a bend in my hands to make it look like the > hands are gripping something. I would like to remove my hands from > the mold also, and this is where the problem lies. Is there a safe > angle for the fingers in which I will still be able to remove my hands > and NOT destroy the mold? > > I was thinking about a grip like holding a soda can. I think that > gives me enough flexibility to use the hands around a stake later on. > > I don't believe I need to coat my hands as long as I remove them while > it is still slightly soft, but I am open to suggestions before I > become club-handed :) > > Doug > dsparks@ligand.com There are actually 2 answers in MHO. #1 place your hand in the alginate so that it forms a 'C'. When I was in the navy the called it a taco grip, the idea is not to allow your fingers to get closer than about 3/4" to your palm or YOUR THUMB. the thumb is what most people forget about. #2 go ahead and close your hand to whatever distnace you want, and then just pull that piece out, the piece where the stake goes, then just dremmel it out after you have your positive. then make another negative and another positive of whatever materials of your choice. Tad Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd http://home.earthlink.net/~makeup Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 murphy_for_congress@desktop.tyrell.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 19:40:43 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 05:35:50 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mannequins Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: What a great idea for the entry way. I never thought of the fortune teller area. I even have the tarot cards and the whole thing. the only problem is the cost of the crystal ball :( Any one have a idea for a inexpensive crystal ball that looks good??? kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 19:41:24 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 05:19:41 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dungeons & good times Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I love Midevil Times. They are the very best when it comes to entertainment. I had no idea that they did something around Halloween. We are about 8 hours from there but if it is good it may be worth the trip. It is only about 10minutes from Disneyland. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 19:51:48 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:17:22 -0500 From: Jason R To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Those photos Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: For those who looked,I dont think they got uploaded, I have to find them on the hard drive, somewere in those many gigs of stuff. Jay -- Jason R Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} VRC Homepage, Use it to find out ALL your Disney info needs. --Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 19:52:45 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 06:32:04 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween Subject: Help... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: My main server was down yesterday, as I just found out, so I do not know if this went out or not so I am going to try again. Due to a stupid move on my part I can not find my way back to the archives. Can someone please tell me how to get back there. I want to look up a great amount of things and can not get there. Thanks for your help. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 19:58:34 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:43:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Font question... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: In the midst of answering mail about the "Flying Crank" ghost, I accidentally deleted a couple of questions before I had finished with them. Someone had asked what font I had used on the .jpg illustrations. Well, it's "Spirits" from the archives. (TrueType) If you've downloaded the fonts, you have it. Sorry I failed to reply directly. -Doug Ferguson From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:01:56 1996 From: dbell@cup.portal.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Hi-Tech Halloweenies Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 18:37:46 PDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Man - this list is really heating up! Some great new people, with some great ideas! This should keep the blood flowing, right through October... I've been thinking (look out!!) about flying ghosts and Doug Ferguson's cranky spectres. We've all used styrofoam and cheesecloth as lightweight materials in the past, but I was wondering about something *really* light, almost non-existant, nearly invisible until illuminated, and certainly high tech: Anybody given any thought to aerogels? Insubstantial, nearly weightless, possibly could be blended with something luminescent? Ideas? Material sources? Dave dbell@cup.portal.com dbell@surf.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:14:32 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:50:59 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Safety first Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Scott, That was a good one. All those tattoos, I guess he does not need to dress up for halloween. I hope those are older trick or treaters. I know the headline on our mail says Mike, but that is because I do not know how to put my name on there too. I am his wife Kathy. Thanks for the visual I now have of Denny. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:17:56 1996 From: TonyGJr@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:32:31 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jumping Out for Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: For redoing the crystal ball in the Haunted Mansion, two technologies were used. the older technology was the classic "project a face onto a dummy head" trick, with the projection beam shining through a rtiny mirror some 6 feet away on the rail around the seance area, and the projector down below. the newer technology uses fiber optics in a whole bundle projecting the face in a sort of back projection. Whether they use TV or film projection right there with this, I do not know. It makes for a smaller unit, which is mounted u der the table to the point where they added the floating table effect to it... Another fun crystal ball rear projection was in the humorous ride Knott's Berry Tales with a gypsy lady watching TV in her crystal ball... From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:20:21 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:56:05 EDT From: roby@ida.org (Clyde Roby) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Test - Please respond Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I got this from the list... > From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Jul 19 13:55:26 1996 > Return-Path: > From: DSparks@mercury.ligand.com > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 08:57:38 PST > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Test - Please respond > Sender: owner-halloween-l@netcom.com > Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > X-Lines: 14 > > > I have been sending stuff to the list for the last couple of weeks and > getting no response. If you can read this, please post something to > the list regarding it or send me mail personally at: > > dsparks@ligand.com > > Your help is greatly appreciated :) > > Doug > dsparks@ligand.com > From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:28:16 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:21:01 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: WRONG IDEA Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Doug, I do not know if this will work, but if not I never suggested it. How about a string of Christmas lights. Carve openings in the back of the pumpkins and insert the red or blue bulb. If you use outdoor lights they should be safe. I am not a pro so you should check on that part. Your fog can also come in from a hose in the back. I like the idea, do you mind if I try it?? Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:30:04 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:37:58 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Safety Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >> It would be a nice addition to Darlene's haunted house registry to include >>which haunts met local, minimum safety codes. Dar wrote: >Just catching up on my mail after a real busy week. This sounds like an >excellent idea, but how would I find out this info? Is there some kind of >checklist I could require before giving the "webbery seal of safety"? >Any thoughts? Even though it was my idea, I'm afraid the best you could do is ask about a haunted house or public attraction being properly licensed by its' local community. Since the answers are voluntary and on the "honor system", posting the question, the answer and the source of the answer would be the extent of what anyone on the web could do. Would any further safety seal or recommendation lead to liability problems? Maybe a lawyer or legal student on the list could add some insight. Denny From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Jul 20 20:39:12 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:04:55 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: do you notice? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Brian, Do not give up hope. We tried this last year and it worked maybe it wil