Status: O X-Status: What actually causes the eruption? I can't imagine putting the old baking soda/vinegar mix in a cake. =) -W ================================================================= I have that cookbook. I have only done the volcano, and it was a lot of fun. At 01:39 PM 8/6/96 -0600, you wrote: >Just got a copy of the Special Effects Cookbook. >Michael E. Samonek. 1992. MES/FX Publishing, P. O. >Box 863, Narberth, PA 19072. 1-877-62300-0. This is >one of three special cookbooks advertised on TV >recently. A coworker ordered it for me from her Miles >Kimball catalog. This is the book of recipes for food >that "smokes, erupts, moves, sings, glows, pops, and >swims." Looks like a lot of fun! > __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangvale, CA From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 19:56:19 1996 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 22:49:41 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween Subject: Some people.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Is anyone out here...I feel like I am all alone :( Everyone is so quiet today I am starting to wonder if I forgot the world ended today at noon or what. I was wodering if anyone could help me with this possible very messy project. Last year we got rained on all night long, and we decided right then to make a tent for this year. I bought the material and now I have to find a way to dye 100+ yards of material. Any ideas???? Can't wait to hear from you, so I can start sewing. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 20:20:09 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 12:41:09 -0500 To: nathan@theatrefx.com Subject: Re: How To Operate A (Not Very Flameproof) Haunted House Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:25 AM 8/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >> There are obviously less noxious chemicals to use today for fire protection. >> Denny >> > >so they probably just took it out because there are other formulas out there >that *don't* also create noxious fumes . . . > >Nathan I'd say "less" instead of "don't". I suppose as nasty as the fumes of this stuff are, it's probably still better than the heat produced byproducts of manmade building materials like urethane insulations and the accompanying fire. Just a quick aside: Sal ammoniac/ammonium chloride used to be found in a lot of home recipes for Christmas tree fire proofing formulas. The solutions were sprayed on the needles. I have no idea how well they worked. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design 630-830-9561 fax 630-830-9577 Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 20:26:27 1996 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:04:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: Off Topic Messages ?????? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I am new to the list and have noticed a high volume of messages that seem to have nothing at all to do with Halloween. Not looking to be a pain in the A**, but such conversations should be conducted via private e-mail, not on a list. As a member of a number of internet mail-lists, it does get a bit frustrating to read through 20 messages, only to find out that most of them have nothing to do with the topic. Thanks Barry Wulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 20:47:55 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 10:07:46 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: How To Operate A (Not Very Flameproof) Haunted House Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Nathan advises: >>The 1988 edition omits one of three flameproofing recipes that's in the old. >>The formula is: >> >> 4 lbs. Sal Ammoniac >> 4 lbs. Borax >> Dissolved in 3 gallons warm water >Since Sal Ammoniac is the *original* theatrical smoke powder, it doesn't >make sense that it would be a flameproofing ingredient. This formula was >probably deleted because it is rubbish. Hmmm...I wonder how many people over the years have used this recipe and thought they were safe??? Quite interesting. I thought I'd seen other flame- proofing formulas that used Sal Ammoniac, but I could be wrong. Can anyone out there with the current Morris book at their fingertips please post the formulas? Thanks for the tip, Nathan...you may very well have saved some lives today. - Stu From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 21:04:37 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:06:14 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: How To Operate A (Not Very Flameproof) Haunted House Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:07 AM 8/9/96 EST, you wrote: >Nathan advises: > >>>The 1988 edition omits one of three flameproofing recipes that's in the old. >>>The formula is: >>> >>> 4 lbs. Sal Ammoniac >>> 4 lbs. Borax >>> Dissolved in 3 gallons warm water > >>Since Sal Ammoniac is the *original* theatrical smoke powder, it doesn't >>make sense that it would be a flameproofing ingredient. This formula was >>probably deleted because it is rubbish. > > Hmmm...I wonder how many people over the years have > used this recipe and thought they were safe??? Hi All, It produces noxious fumes that may cause respiratory inflammation and damage due to ammonia and hydrochloric acid produced under heat decomposition. Sal ammoniac can act as a flame retardant because it is considered noncombustible, has a boiling point of 968F., fumes profusely thereby blocking oxygen and may also cool the ignition source. Sal ammoniac was a very common chemical used not too many years ago for flame retardants. It is still commonly found and used to clean soldering irons and coppers because of the caustic properties. There are obviously less noxious chemicals to use today for fire protection. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 21:20:34 1996 Subject: Re: How To Operate A (Not Very Flameproof) Haunted House To: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nathan Kahn" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > >>Since Sal Ammoniac is the *original* theatrical smoke powder, it doesn't > >>make sense that it would be a flameproofing ingredient. This formula was > >>probably deleted because it is rubbish. > > > > Hi All, > It produces noxious fumes that may cause respiratory inflammation and > damage due to ammonia and hydrochloric acid produced under heat > decomposition. Sal ammoniac can act as a flame retardant because it is > considered noncombustible, has a boiling point of 968F., fumes profusely > thereby blocking oxygen and may also cool the ignition source. > Sal ammoniac was a very common chemical used not too many years ago for > flame retardants. It is still commonly found and used to clean soldering > irons and coppers because of the caustic properties. > There are obviously less noxious chemicals to use today for fire protection. > Denny > so they probably just took it out because there are other formulas out there that *don't* also create noxious fumes . . . Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn, VP Sales Theatre Effects V: (301) 791-7646 nathan@theatrefx.com 642 Frederick St. F: (301) 791-7719 http://www.theatrefx.com Hagerstown, MD 21740 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 21:46:23 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 06:30:03 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Phone Books--FREE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Michael Marcrum --Kathy--writes: > I called the phone company and asked for a > SanFransico phone book and they wanted to > charge me $60. Check your public library. Our county libraries in Maryland have phone books from all over the country. Good luck! From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 22:20:26 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 06:28:16 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: How To Operate... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Found it! Here's the bibliographic data on the book I have: ======================================= The version I have is a perfect bound (wraparound cover) trade paper edition in bright green. The bibliographic info for this edition are: How To Operate a Financially Successful Haunted House. Philip Morris and Dennis Phillips. Imagine, Inc. 1985-1987. 0-911-13711-4. $9.95 From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Fri Aug 9 22:39:56 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 06:24:17 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: How To Operate A (Financially) Successful Haunted House Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com.-Reply Status: O X-Status: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com writes: > Someone said they had a version that is perfect > bound in a bright green cover stock which sounds > something like a hybrid of the two versions I have. > I'd like to know when that was copyrighted and when > it was purchased (as well as any possible > variations). That was me. I posted all the bibliographic data to the list awhile back. If I can find it again, I'll send it along. I live in Takoma Park, but I believe I bought my copy at a store in Northern Virginia back in the early 80s (possibly in early 1983). I was looking for a particular color of sequin, and it would have been a theatrical or dance supply type of store, maybe connected to Ben Nye products. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 00:02:42 1996 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 22:19:39 +0200 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Melanie Laege Subject: gelatin worms Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Lynne, no that worm-reciepy was not in the archive, if it is not to much of an effort please mail it to me. Thanks, Melanie __________________________________________________________ Melanie Laege, Informationswissenschaft, Freie Universitaet Berlin melanie@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 04:20:00 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 23:06:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: A ghost for kids. To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: For those of you who anticipate entertaining younger children in your neighborhood, and have seen the Flying Crank Ghost plans, I have pictures/instructions for making a 'cute' version of the ghost, somewhere between Casper and the caricature seen in the 'Ghostbusters' logo. It's very simple and inexpensive to make, and works with the crank mechanism as is. For those who are new to the group, visit Don Bertino's web page at: http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/ and look for the 'crank' series of jpegs to see the original design. If you'd like to see the 'cute' version, e-mail me, and I'll send you a uuencoded jpeg (or MIME base-64 if you prefer) of that version. -Doug Ferguson ****************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * * The Keys To The Kingdom * * Doug Ferguson * * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * ****************************************** From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 05:48:56 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:02:45 -0500 (CDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: Wow! More people just like me! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi! I can't *believe* my good fortune in finding this list! I thought I was the only one who did all this strange Halloween "stuff"! I've spent hours pouring over the archive, and now I'd like to jump right in, if I may. By way of introduction, I live in southeast Illinois. I've always been a bit loopy over Halloween, and our decorations have always been pretty, um, elaborate. Then several years ago (I believe I had built a large funeral scene in the front yard) people started asking where they were supposed to pay. Now, we would never dream of trying to make money this way for ourselves, but the opportunity was just too hard to resist. For the past several years, my husband and I have done what we call our "Nightmare on Elliott Street." We go all out with our hauntings and illusions, and collect donations for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital on trick-or-treat night. We've been very pleasantly surprised with the results. In our small town of about 8,000 people, we average having about 3,000 (adults and children) attend our Halloween night "Nightmare." By the way, we pay all the expenses; ALL the money we collect goes directly to St. Jude's. Our favorite displays are always the illusions. We have done The Girl Who Changes into a Gorilla (a la Pepper's ghost), the headless living woman, the living head, the girl without a middle, and many more. I especially get a kick out of hearing adults standing around saying, "I know this can't be real, but I also know what I'm seeing!" We also love building simple automated displays: the vampire who rolls his head around and drips blood from his fangs, the dancing skeleton, etc. I can hardly wait to start on the flying crank ghost! I'm sorry to post such a long note; it's just that I'm so excited to find some cyber-folk with the same interest! I am *very* anxious to exchange ideas. Right now we're in the planning stage for this year's Nightmare, so I'm hoping for some new inspiration. Any suggestions besides what's in the archives? Hoping to hear from a lot of fellow enthusiasts, DJ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 09:15:24 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donna J. Logan" To: Barry Wulfe Subject: Re: Off Topic Messages ?????? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Barry Wulfe wrote: > I am new to the list and have noticed a high volume of messages that seem > to have nothing at all to do with Halloween. Not looking to be a pain in > the A**, but such conversations should be conducted via private e-mail, not > on a list. As a member of a number of internet mail-lists, it does get a > bit frustrating to read through 20 messages, only to find out that most of > them have nothing to do with the topic. And you, sir, should leave the duties of list moderation to the list moderator. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 16:39:29 1996 From: skoelke@metronet.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:12:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Wow! More people just like me! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Welcome DJ, As me and my Hubby say the longer the post the more interesting...especially in this list :):) Sue skoelke@metronet.com smiles are worth millions. :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) http://www.metronet.com/~skoelke/ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 16:44:59 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 17:12:40 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween Subject: Archives Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Good Weekend, I know none of you even look at your computers on the weekend so I won't even look for a reply till Monday. I went to the Archives and was looking around and I found that last year a lot of you posted stores in your areas that had Halloween displays. I am just hoping that you are planning on doing it this year. I am not beyond driving a couple of hundred miles to save a few dollars, and have a nice lunch. So please let me know of any great stores. Kathy Road Trip!!!! From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 17:23:31 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:00:52 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: Re: Phone Books--FREE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Michael Marcrum >--Kathy--writes: > >> I called the phone company and asked for a >> SanFransico phone book and they wanted to >> charge me $60. > >Check your public library. Our county libraries in >Maryland have phone books from all over the country. > White and yellow pages listings for published numbers nationwide are also available for free on the WWW. Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 17:28:05 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:58:31 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: Re: Some people.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: > Last year we got rained on all night long, and we decided right then to >make a tent for this year. I bought the material and now I have to find a >way to dye 100+ yards of material. Any ideas???? Can't wait to hear from >you, so I can start sewing. > >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt I have never tried this, but one possible way to do it is with a Wagner Power Painter or similar airless paint sprayer. I do not know what kind of spray pattern you will get with something as thin as fabric dye, but it might be worth a try. Barry Wulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 17:36:14 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 16:18:26 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wow! More people just like me! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Welcome DJ, Boy I want to come play in your yard. It sounds to me that you have a really great time. As for the St. Judes idea I may keep that in mind. Last year we had several people ask us about paying. We don't want to charge, like you, because we get our thrill out of seeing peoples faces as they go around the yard. You are way ahead of me in the FX area, we just started 3 years ago, but we are trying real hard to catch up. Looking forward to hearing more from your end on the graveyard... Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 02:43:44 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:39:56 -0500 From: raven@kehleyr.phys.ttu.edu (Morgan Bottrell) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I don't agree with Mr. Wulfe (who didn't have the courtesy to even bother to sign his post, but he's the one that says leave moderating to the moderators). Remember, not everyone on the net is blessed with a mailer that identifies you for people. Many people probably only see that mail comes from the "halloween list" or something similar. EVERYONE on a list is responsible for keeping it on topic. That means everyone should look at where the mailer headers are pointed before they hit "send" and ask themselves: "Is this something that should go to the whole list, or is it better sent privately?" Then (because many time people who post religious and political messages feel that EVERYONE should see what they have to say) they should ask "Is it ON TOPIC for this list?" If it's not, then probably it should be mailed to an individual or a small set of individuals and not to however many (probably hundreds of) folks on the list. If a personal note gets sent to the list then responses should be taken back off-list as soon as possible. (which you can't do if you're not looking at where the headers are pointed when you hit "reply") Generally, "thank you" "me too" and "I agree", should all go privately. Large chunks of quoting aren't good for either the archives or the server. The more short "noise" posts and the more needlessly long posts there are on a list the longer it takes it to process the mail...sometimes to the point where a list is no longer even vaguely timely (yes, it can take DAYS for mail to get sent if the load on the server is big enough. It's no fun to sign off of a server, but still get mail for a week because it had THAT big of a queue of undelivered mail.) If no one ever complains, then it's generally accepted that everyone agrees that they like it the way it is. Most people who don't like the way such things are going just leave, and when they do that the listowner never knows that they left because the list was too off topic. Unless there is feedback to the listowner, the listowner hasn't got a clue and will generally assume that everyone is a happy camper. Alternately, the listowner may like the list just the way it is and make no effort to change things. (and this is the listowner's perogative, as the listowner is the one who has the mailbox full of error messages and takes care of all the garbage work associated with the list.) However, the listowner (this isn't a moderated list so I don't think the term "moderator" applies, none of the other listowners I know use it unless they have moderated lists) can't make anyone stay on topic. The listowner can remove you so that you can't post mail/get mail from the list. The responsibility lies with the person who posts to stay on topic... I'm not terribly happy with the number and (off topic) content of posts that I've seen of late, and if the trend continues I'm one of the ones likely to leave, but only way to make people stay on topic is to moderate the list and refuse to approve any posts that drift off topic. This is a REAL pain in the ass, I've done it. You guys can say "leave moderating to moderators", but I assure you you'll scream if the listowner decides that that's the best way to deal with the situation and becomes moderator. Better to police yourselves early and stay mostly on topic than to piss the listowner off and have to deal with being censored because you refused to accept responsibility the first time around. Morgan Bottrell raven@kehleyr.phys.ttu.edu From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 02:51:46 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: MilesManor Subject: Re: gelatin worms Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:19 PM 8/9/96 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Lynne, >no that worm-recipe was not in the archive, if it is not to much of an >effort please mail it to me. >Thanks, > Melanie >________________________________________________________ >Melanie Laege, Informationswissenschaft, Freie Universitaet Berlin >melanie@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de > I got recipe the from Mimi's Cyber Kitchen last year. I have yet to try it myself. I think I'll do a trial run before Halloween. Oh twist my kid's arms to eat jello worms.=) Enjoy Lynne Halloween Worms Cooking time: ~ 5 min. Prep time: ~ 15 min., plus overnight chilling Notes: Use a cleaned 1-quart milk or orange juice carton to hold straws 1 pkg. (6 oz.) raspberry or grape flavor gelatin 3 envelopes unflavored gelatin 3 cups boiling water 100 flexible plastic straws 1 tall (same height as extended straws), slender 4 cup container 3/4 cup whipping cream 12 to 15 drops green food coloring 1.In a bowl, combine gelatins. 2.Add boiling water; stir until gelatins completely dissolve. 3.Chill until lukewarm, about 20 min. 4.Meanwhile, gently pull straws to extend to full length; place in tall container. 5.Blend cream and food coloring with the lukewarm gelatin mixture. 6.Pour into container, filling straws. 7.Chill until gelatin is firm, at least 8 hours, or cover and chill up to 2 days. 8.Pull straws from container (if using a carton, tear carton away from straws). 9.Pull straws apart; run hot tap water for about 2 seconds over 3 to 4 straws at a time. 10.Starting at the empty ends, push worms from straws with rolling pin, or use your fingers; lay worms on waxed paper-lined baking sheets. 11.Cover and chill until ready to use, at least 1 hour or up to 2 days. 12.Worms will hold at room temp. up to 2 hours. Per worm: 17 cal., 42% (7.2 cal. from fat; 0.4 g. protein; 0.8 g fat (0.5 g sat.); 2 g carbo.; 6.8 mg sodium; 3 mg chol. Makes about 100, including a few casualties. __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangvale, CA From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 03:04:55 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:55:42 -0500 From: "Bobby R." To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wow! More people just like me! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: DJ wrote: > > Hi! > > I can't *believe* my good fortune in finding this list! I thought I was the > only one who did all this strange Halloween "stuff"! I've spent hours > pouring over the archive, and now I'd like to jump right in, if I may. > > > DJ Welcome aboard DJ, Your certainly not the first to say "I thought I was the only one who did all this strange Halloween "stuff"!" Seems to be a common first thought around here. Your home now, kick off your shoes and sit a spell... Halloween is coming, coming very soon, Ooo-Ooo, Ooo-Ooo, This year is a full moon! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Bobby R. ;-} From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 03:14:29 1996 To: halloween From: William E Rompala Date: 10 Aug 96 11:05:30 Subject: Re: Some people.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Is anyone out here...I feel like I am all alone :( Everyone is so quiet >today I am starting to wonder if I forgot the world ended today at noon You mean you didn't get the memo? What are you still doing on the planet? The Vogons will be here in 15 minutes to destroy the earth! =) -W William Rompala Never dyed but not immortal. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 03:25:08 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 18:21:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: New Halloween Product Review To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: [NOTE: I do not work for G.E., nor am I a retailer, and this review is not a paid endorsement.] Here's more good news for this Halloween: Bright UV is now more affordable, and lots more convenient. The following is a review of the newest G.E.LiteStick product, the Blacklite Stik. Today I made my first shopping foray in preparation for the season, just to see what's already in stores. The local Wal-Mart had yet to put up its display of Halloween goodies, but when I arrived in the lighting department, I stumbled upon a mass display of Blacklite Stiks. I had to look twice to believe these units were actually available! No stores down here in New Orleans had them last year, and so I must assume they are a new product. And what a new product! G.E. had the savvy to keep the entire assembly black, including the cord. It puts out far more useful UV than a 18" unit, and since it has no white fixture to be painted black, it's very convenient for Haunts. The cord - which has an in-line rotary switch installed - plugs into one endcap, and thus it can be easily detached at season's end for storage. The whole unit must be disposed of when it burns out, but it will last for 5000 hours. The manufacturer suggests that it will be good for "3 to 5 years in normal use." For those not familiar with regular LiteSticks, the product is a 24", 35 watt fluorescent 'fixtureless' bulb that can be attached to a surface by screws with stick-on brackets which allow easy advance positioning. You do need to use screws, as the package indicates the adhesive is not sufficient to hold the bulb. The bulb is the bulk of the product, with the fixture consisting of a pair of endcaps (one containing an electronic balast and a cord socket) connected by a stiff, thin backing strip that carries the electric wiring between ends. The glass tube is permanently attached to the backing strip with silicone sealant. I'm not sure what the suggested list price is, but Wal-Mart was selling them for $22.47. Not bad at all, as a standard 48" BLB tube delievers 40 Watts - only 5 more than this unit! This is the nicest part: There is a 'no additional purchase required' $3 per unit mail-in rebate coupon inside the package. This is good for rebates on up to 4 units per customer. That makes my unit cost $19.47. Try buying even a 12" blacklight and fixture for that money! I couldn't. The D.C. fixture and 12" Philips BLB bulb I bought for a miniature display cost me over $21.00, less batteries. It seems fairly clear, despite the other uses for blacklight, that this product is aimed mainly at the rapidly expanding Halloween market. If these don't sell out well before Halloween, I'll be quite surprised. Snag a few before they are gone for the season, and add more etherial glow to your Haunt. -Doug F. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 03:29:46 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:04:09 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: LuAnne Pisarski Subject: Re: gelatin worms Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I'd like a copy also. Thanks so much! At 10:19 PM 8/9/96 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Lynne, >no that worm-reciepy was not in the archive, if it is not to much of an >effort please mail it to me. >Thanks, > Melanie > >__________________________________________________________ >Melanie Laege, Informationswissenschaft, Freie Universitaet Berlin >melanie@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de > LuAnne From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 03:59:26 1996 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:39:15 -0500 (CDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: Re: Wow! More people just like me! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 04:18 PM 8/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >Welcome DJ, > Boy I want to come play in your yard. It sounds to me that you have a >really great time. As for the St. Judes idea I may keep that in mind. >Last year we had several people ask us about paying. We don't want to >charge, like you, because we get our thrill out of seeing peoples faces >as they go around the yard. You are way ahead of me in the FX area, we >just started 3 years ago, but we are trying real hard to catch up. >Looking forward to hearing more from your end on the graveyard... >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt Hi, Kathy! Thanks for the welcome. And come right ahead! I'll gladly let you play in my yard. Of course, I may end up putting you to work while you're here, though. ;) I was very interested in your plans to build a tent. Rain is always a worry for us, too. How do you plan to support your fabric? What sort of fabric did you get? BTW, I'm thrilled to find another female like myself interested in Halloween. Please keep all those great posts coming. I'm always scrapping for new ideas. See ya! DJ http://www.midwest.net/scribers/dejay/ Home of the Amazing Live Litterpan Cam From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 10:36:54 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:36:47 +0200 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Melanie Laege Subject: Spider-Webs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hey everybody, so here=B4s anotherone from Germany. In the archives I read all about making spider webs, which sounded real professional, but pretty compacated and expensive for a collage student in Berlin, Germany. Si this weakend I found out that spider webs are really easely made with normal white cotten (which you normally use for cosmetics). All you do is tear the cotton so it looks like a spider-web, then you spray it with hairspray for perfekt hold.I hope this is not a too "chieldisch idea" for you guys. Melanie P.S. Thanks for the worm recipie Lynne!!!!!!!!!! __________________________________________________________ Melanie Laege, Informationswissenschaft, Freie Universitaet Berlin melanie@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 11:18:12 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 06:59:23 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Off Topic Messages ?????? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 10:04 AM 8/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >I am new to the list and have noticed a high volume of messages that seem >to have nothing at all to do with Halloween. Not looking to be a pain in >the A**, but such conversations should be conducted via private e-mail, not >on a list. As a member of a number of internet mail-lists, it does get a >bit frustrating to read through 20 messages, only to find out that most of >them have nothing to do with the topic. > Hi Barry, Welcome to the list! I think you'll see from the last "off topic" messages that the perpetrators (which included me) had brought it to an end voluntarily, before your post hit the list. Unfortunately for the 90% of the list that lurks, many of the older, active subscribers know each other pretty well, maybe we've met in person or at least talked on the phone few times. This familiarity leads to a lot of inside jokes which most of the 90 percenters just don't get. It gets out of hand and ends up wasting everyone's time, lurkers get upset and leave the list. At least, I guess lurkers leave the list, it's hard to tell. Last time I counted there were almost 300 people on the list, the archives are filled with the very hard work of about a dozen or at best two dozen people. The chatter, when it erupts, comes from those same people. These folks all have hectic jobs, families and lives outside the list yet they find a few minutes to share ideas or knowledge and blow off some steam when they can. Other than policing ourselves, I suggest the next best way to stop chatter is for normally quiet people to overload the list with useful, interesting information. Seems so simple, choose a topic and jump in. Regards, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 14:03:39 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:14:22 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Re: Morgan Bottrell's post ......... >I don't agree with Mr. Wulfe (who didn't have the courtesy to even >bother to sign his post OK, I'm confused: First, I DID sign my post. Each and every one of my posts is automatically signed by my e-mail software. Second, the rest of your message seems to be in 100% agreement with what I was saying. I simply asked that list members pay attention to what they are posting, and if it is off-topic, then take it to a more appropriate forum. Hopefully, now that this point has been made to all members of the list, this thread will come to and end and we can get back to the details and fun of discussing Halloween. Sincerely, Barry Wulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 14:22:22 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:12:39 -0700 (MST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: trix@primenet.com (Darlene Horwath) Subject: Re: Bats and food and stuff Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Melanie and all! This bat idea sounds like a great idea for a costume too! I did a bee coutume a few years ago and used flourescent colored tights (opaque stockings) for the wings stretched over 2 clothes hangers. They looked great. I also have quite a few recipes on my web site, and I know there were some guys in Norway who did a whole halloween party last year just using the info from my site. They used the music suggestions from the play list, some of the costume ideas, they used the names and epitaphs from the graveyard and cut out their own tombstones and taped them in one room, they made several of the gory goodies, and apparently they had a great time! The URL is http://www.primenet.com/~trix/hallo.htm I still havent gotten around to updating all the links for this year, but that is on my must do soon list! I do have alot more recipes and general party ideas around here somewhere if there is something specific you are looking for... I have just been really busy the past few weeks, but I did get a new day job so some of the pressure should be off shortly! I am so glad to be rid of my old boss, now there is someone who can put all of our courpses and gruesome creations to shame!!! Later Trix a/k/a Darlene >Hi guys, >I went to a german decoration store today - yes they do have those in >Germany! And they had a couple of halloween things there already, but not >to exciting. Anyway I found out how to make huge bats, if an body is >interested. Its not hard: all you do is form a big wire in the form of bat >wings and make a corpse, then you pull, belive it or not, black perlongs >(Stockings) over the wire and close them with a knoght. That gives a real >transparent look and you can make huge bats hanging from the ceiling. Im >going to trie that on the weekend, >have fun > Melanie > >__________________________________________________________ >Melanie Laege, Informationswissenschaft, Freie Universitaet Berlin >melanie@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that a modem in your pocket or RU just happy 2C me! http://www.primenet.com/~trix/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 14:34:16 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:01:07 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: Grave of Fire Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I thought I might pass on some info on one of my more popular Halloween decorations. Several years ago, I thought it would be neat to have a burning gravesite as a decoration. After thinking about it, I came up with the following method for this prop: Get 4 sections of Gasline pipe that are the size of the grave you wish to create. (I wanted a 3 1/2 ' X 7' grave, so I used 2 lengths of 3 1/2' and 2 of 7 ') I had these lines welded together in a rectangle, with a gas ventri at each end. Next, I had the Gas lines drilled with small holes (similar to the holes in a gas fireplace starter. I have a large annual flower bed in my front yard that I decided to use as the grave site. I dug up the remaining plants and brought in about 15 Cubic Feet of fresh soil that I used to build a 3 1/2' X 7' mound. Next I took the welded gas pipe and covered all of the holes with strips of good quality masking tape. I placed the pipe section in place over the mound, and reshaped the mound to fit the dimensions of the pipe section. (The idea is to hide as much of the pipe structure as possible.) after clearing excess dirt away from the holes in the pipe, the masking tape was removed. I hooked up a propane hose with a Y adapter to each of the two ventri (This provided a more even distribution of Gas.) and plugged the other end of the hose into a large propane tank that I hid behind some bushes. I then covered up the hose sections with more dirt in order to hide them. The final touch to the grave was a Toumbstone that I made from lightweight concrete. (You need to use a material that will not ignite from the flame) I made a rectangular wood mold and filled it with wet LW concrete, placing sections of reinforcing screen inside the concrete. After the Concrete had dried, the toumbstone was unmolded, and I used a hammer to break off sections of the corners to give it an aged look. After spraying the concrete with a black base, I used Granite Fleck-Spray paint to give it a stone appearance. The Final touch for the stone was to paint an epitath: " Now I lay me down to Rot - Where I'm going it sure is Hot" The Toumbstone was put in place behind the mound, the gas turned on and the pipe was lit. It was, and continues to be a great sight. BTW, the first year that I used this prop, my fire alarm was set off by an overactive Fog machine inside my house. I never heard the alarm go off due to blareing music for my annual Halloween party. When the fire department showed up I thought I was in for some deep trouble over the grave. As it turns out, the only comment they had about it was "COOL". P.S. REPEAT THIS EFFECT AT YOUR OWN RISK. I ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR INJURY OR PROPERTY DAMAGE CAUSED BY SUCH A DEVICE. USE COMMON SENSE IN LOCATING YOUR GRAVE. MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO COMBUSTIBLE ITEMS NEAR THE FLAMES ****** I SUGGEST THAT IF YOU DO TRY THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF, MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT UP A SMALL FENCE OR OTHER BARRIER AROUND THE GRAVE. I HAVE DONE THIS WITH MY GRAVE SITE TO ENSURE THAT SMALL CHILDREN DO NOT GET TOO CLOSE AND STUMBLE INTO THE FLAMES********** Barry Wulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 15:55:35 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: estesa@nku.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi! I just wanted to introduce myself, I'm new to the group. Halloween is a great holiday. I'm a teacher and I even depart from my usual curriculum to read spooky stories and watch the old frankenstein movie with my students, for Halloween. I'm excited to be on the list. Ame From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 16:16:01 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 96 09:05:37 -0400 From: "Bev Keddy" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Phone Books--FREE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Not only can you get phone books for free at the Library, but you can check white pages for at least Canada on the WWW. Check out "canada411.sympatico.ca", which will give you access to the phone numbers of approximately 10 millions Canadians. There is probably a version for the U.S., also. Good luck! ====================================================================== Bev Keddy Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Email:nstn1173@fox.nstn.ca Don't forget to ask me about Toastmasters sometime. It's a great organization! ====================================================================== From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 16:40:11 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:02:42 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 12:39 PM 8/10/96 -0500, you wrote: (MUCH deleted) >If a personal note gets sent to the list then responses should be >taken back off-list as soon as possible. (which you can't do >if you're not looking at where the headers are pointed when you >hit "reply") >Generally, "thank you" "me too" and "I agree", should all >go privately. Large chunks of quoting aren't good for either >the archives or the server. The "off topic" posts had been brought to a voluntary end by all guilty parties including myself and Don late last week, there was no need for a seven paragraph reply that did nothing but continue the nonsense. While I can't disagree with the general content of your post, I will remind everyone that only the list owner sets policy. Don is currently on vacation, save your policy suggestions for his return. In the meantime you're all stuck with me. Until Don's return, I will happily unsubscribe any people who feel the need to belabor this subject any further. It's done. >I'm not terribly happy with the number and (off topic) content >of posts that I've seen of late, and if the trend continues >I'm one of the ones likely to leave, I truthfully hate to see anyone leave this wonderful list but if anyone feels compelled... To unsubscribe send an e-mail to put nothing on the subject line and put only "unsubscribe halloween-L " in the body of the message minus the quotes and < >. Do not send unsubscribe attempts to the list! I said it last week, I'll say it again, let's get back to Halloween and haunts. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 23:15:53 1996 From: dmethvin@cmp.com (Methvin Dave) To: halloween-l@netcom.com (halloween-l) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:58:03 -0400 Subject: E-mail bombing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: This weekend some "joker" added me to this list and 2000 others worldwide. Some list servers have implemented security filters that require a return email confirmation, but this one and many others do not. I'd appreciate it if the owner of this list could add a confirmation step. There's no way I can go through 2000 "Welcome to our List" messages to find the magic incantation for each one to unsubscribe. I had to delete the messages to prevent total system mail meltdown. So I'll probably kill this account and let the list servers deal with the returned mail. I'm sorry in advance for the problems this may cause. Which leads me to ask: Many folks assume they can reply to the list with a message that says "unsubscribe" (or "unsuscribe" if they can't spell) and they will be taken off the list. So ... is there any reason it *can't* work that way? Please, no emails to me, I've got enough of that already... From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 05:29:17 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 06:30:17 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Welcome Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Ame, I see from my list mail that you are on both Halloween and Christmas. Well as far as Halloween goes you couldn't find a nicer bunch of sickos. So jump in anytime with a idea of a body part ":) Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 05:43:56 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 02:40:00 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Morgan, OK Let's get back on the topic, can you give me a idea where I can get closed cell stryfoam for making my own rocks and tombstones. Saw it done and would like to do some myself. Or maybe you can tell me where to find old neon lights that I can reuse cheaply. I could also use ideas for making real neat jack-o-lanterns. Thanks Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 06:06:16 1996 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 06:16:20 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: tents Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi DJ, I know that we women on this list our outnumbered, but we make up for it with our great outgoing kind attitudes. :) As for the tent, I purchased a book from "Amazon vinegar and Pickling Works Drygoods". They have a great catalog full of great finds. I bought the "period pavilions" book, it ran around $20. It has patterns, notes, plans for the frames, everthing that you need to build your own pavilion. Try their #800 number....#800-798-7979 We are going to make the roof out of plastic nylon and the walls out of muslin. We are going to treat the fabric with waterproofing. Hubby is making the frame out of 2x4's. We are going to make several walls inside the main tent so that we have tunnels to work with. Hoping all this works and keeps out a large percent of the water. The fun I am having now is finding a way to dye 100 yards of fabric black. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 07:19:47 1996 From: Peepley@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:22:25 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com, KAdkisson@aol.com Subject: get your shit together for America's favourite holiday! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Ken, I'm sure you want all the free halloween info. The the address is: halloween-l@netcom.com this is free. just E-Mail and request subscription. if you do not like it they will take you off. no costs involved in either case jas From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 11:50:27 1996 To: halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 12 Aug 96 8:35:14 Subject: Re: [HAL] Working with styrofoam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Sorry, forgot to sign my post. The Tirade About Styrofoam ISBN 66-666-0000-101 -W -=- William Rompala Rompala Consulting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil romwil@netaxs.com rompala_william@jpmorgan.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 12:42:20 1996 To: halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 12 Aug 96 8:49:11 Subject: [HAL] Gravestone Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Has Anyone had good success with creating gravestones out of styrofoam that don't look like they were made of styrofoam? I thought I could really be creative with it as a material, as it lends itself nicely to carving. I didn't want to stop at the rounded rectangle look. =) I was planning on doing some nice cherub carvings etc, but I am afraid of the painted result. Any tips on color/material/paint? Thanks! -W ps: How about putting [HAL] at the begining of the subject lines, as they will stand out as posts to the Halloween list? We do this on the [Titanic] and [GL] ghostletters lists and it really helps sort things out. -=- William Rompala Rompala Consuting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 13:19:36 1996 To: halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 12 Aug 96 8:31:08 Subject: [HAL] Working with styrofoam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hey all, I did the weekly visit to the Home Depot (builder's supply / hardware / halloween listmember toystore). I was able to find a pack of 6 sheets of styrofoam (approx 2' x 5' x .5") for $4.75. It is packaged as 'insulation' that you would place under siding and the like. Needless to say, I grabbed a package to try it out. Also got a glue gun etc. I checked out Michael's (the craft shop) and they were selling _one_ sheet of 2 X 5 X .75" for over $4.00! Given, their styrofoam was much denser though. Now to the question. (you knew there was one coming....) Anyone construct a hot wire cutting device for use with styrofoam? I know they exist (have been built) - we built an entire set out of styrofoam for Hound of the Baskervilles and the set construction crew used one. It ran on 110V and the only thing I remember about it was that it looked like a table saw with an arm reaching over it. There was a wire running from the arm to the table. The wire was hot and cut through the styrofoam like a hot knife through butter. It also sealed the ends nicely. Thanks in advance for the help. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 14:22:28 1996 To: Morgan Bottrell From: William E Rompala Date: 12 Aug 96 8:17:51 Subject: re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Morgan blathered off topic for a while: >I don't agree with Mr. Wulfe (who didn't have the courtesy to even >bother to sign his post, but he's the one that says leave >moderating to the moderators). Remember, not everyone on the <<< a blessed large SNIP >8 >>> >I'm not terribly happy with the number and (off topic) content >of posts that I've seen of late, and if the trend continues >I'm one of the ones likely to leave, but only way to make people William Responds: Well, Morgan, I am also not terribly happy with the large quantity of space that _you_ seem to be taking up on the list without contributing _one_ word to our topic. If you were one of the frequent contributors, I believe that your words would have more weight. Contribute first. To paraphrase the motto of Dodge (the automobile manufacturer) Contribute, Read, or get out of the way (unsubscribe). If you wish to be a watchdog, then take matters into your own hands and a) start Halloween-L Moderated b) take your actions to private email or just start contributing to the list. Replies by you to this message will be ignored unless taken to private email. -W -=- William Rompala Rompala Consulting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil romwil@netaxs.com rompala_william@jpmorgan.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 17:31:54 1996 From: sao@MIT.EDU To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Off Topic Messages ?????? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:55:40 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Other than policing ourselves, I suggest the next best way to stop chatter >is for normally quiet people to overload the list with useful, interesting >information. Seems so simple, choose a topic and jump in. ...um... If the problem is TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, I don't think that the answer is EVEN MORE! Part of the cause of this "chatter" might be because the list server sets each mailing's "reply-to" field to the list, not the person who sent the original email. Thus, it's very easy for someone (especially a newcomer) to think they're replying directly to the sender, while they're actually broadcasting to all 300+ subscribers. Could I suggest we set the list server so that a reply to any particular posting goes directly to the person who sent it? If someone wants their reply to be seen by the entire list, it's easy for them to add a cc to halloween-l. (And it also eliminates a major potential for embarrassment) :Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 22:16:36 1996 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:36:57 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Wow! More people just like me! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Okay, DJ, we want photos! Photos! Photos, I tell you! From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 22:36:13 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 10:36:22 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Off Topic Messages/GE Blacklights/Request Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Barry, >I am new to the list and have noticed a high volume of messages that seem >to have nothing at all to do with Halloween... Hi Barry! What you point out is not a new "problem." There has been "idle chat" on this list since I subscribed about a year ago. At the time, we weren't well known, so the core group of contributors got to know each other very well. As such, many messages tended towards the personal side. To tell the truth, I found this to be part of the charm of halloween-l. Still do, to a certain extent. We have, though, undergone growing pains. I've found that we've added quite a few new regular contributors this year, and (through no fault of their own, given the messages they've read) the "newbies" continue in our grand tradition. I've also found that we've lost a number of "lurkers" who tired of the off-topic messages, or worse, became disen- chanted with the minor disagreements that inevitably flare up on lists like this one. The off-topic messages in most cases get started out of boredom. We had nearly 200 subscribers last time I bothered to check with a mere handful of contributors. Sometimes we've started threads to get the juices flow- ing. Sometimes we just got silly. As we get closer to Halloween, the off-topic threads will become scarce, afterwards, count on them to in- crease again. Hang with us, Barry. Help us draw in those that don't ordinarily post messages. This is a great list from which I've learned valuable info from folks who give freely of their time and energy. Not to mention some solid friendships. And to stay on topic, the GE blacklights mentioned in another thread were available last year at Spencer's Halloween stores, though I don't remember the price. Keep your eyes peeled...the one at Lakeforest Mall in Gaithersburg, MD is supposed to open this Thursday (Aug. 15th). Lastly, a request. Not everyone's E-Mail programs give a "signature" to the messages. Usually, I can only guess who's replying to me. If you don't tell me who you are, I can't post off-list replies directly to you. Case in point - the person in Takoma Park who owns a copy of the Morris haunted house book...was that you, Lauren, or someone else? We can alleviate the off-topic/off-list quandry if everyone will take the time to type a signature. Thanks! - Stu McIntire stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 23:08:30 1996 From: skoelke@metronet.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:33:58 +0000 Subject: Re: tents Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: The fun I am having now is > finding a way to dye 100 yards of fabric black. What you could try is to cut the patterns, and then try to Dye them that is what i do when I want tio dye something that i want to sew. Then yse a Dye that you can do in a couple of loads of laundry. I have tried the "RIT" dye that you can purchace in any store..but was unsatisfied with it. ( I tried to dye pillow cases Black ..they ar5e now a light grey ) BUt there must be a DYE in some fabric stores that is of a higher quality. The other suggestion is to find some old washing tubs..you know the ones that our grandmothers have been cruelly made to use with those ringer type washers...well My sister uses those to Dye her sheeps wool..she is able to use also the large cow tanks to do this..(.but she has those avalible since she still lives on the farm with my parents. Guess that is my suggestion ..I would use the washing machine as long as you can find a Dye that is safe for the machine..or atleast wont dye the rest of your clothes as long as you own the machine. Sue Sue Mother of Abigail 2 and 4 months Alexander 6weeks From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 23:13:05 1996 From: Davis_Karen To: halloween-l Subject: FW: Some people.... Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 11:15:00 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: kathy, > I bought the material and now I have to find a >way to dye 100+ yards of material. Any ideas???? ...you could take it to a place that does rug cleaning...they have gigantic washers, and for a price (this would probably not be cheap) they might do it for you...karend From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 23:36:00 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:33:49 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:49 AM 8/12/96, you wrote: >Has Anyone had good success with creating gravestones out of styrofoam that >don't look like they were made of styrofoam? I thought I could really be >creative with it as a material, as it lends itself nicely to carving. I didn't >want to stop at the rounded rectangle look. =) >I was planning on doing some nice cherub carvings etc, but I am afraid of the >painted result. >Any tips on color/material/paint? I posted my styro-headstone "technique" (I'm flattering myself) last year and know Don put it in the archives. For paint, I used spray cans of Rustoleum (little spray tip removed) over gray outdoor latex paint, it gives a great rock look. It also makes a big mess, do it waaay outdoors. I did some painted highlighting with flat black (spray tip in) from the can, shot from very acute angles. Stay away from the Style Stone type paint kits, they're not very weather proof no matter how well you seal them. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 23:51:45 1996 From: dbell@cup.portal.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: [HAL] Working with styrofoam Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 13:40:11 PDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: William Rompala asked: >Anyone construct a hot wire cutting device for use with styrofoam? I know the y >exist (have been built) - we built an entire set out of styrofoam for Hound o f >the Baskervilles and the set construction crew used one. It ran on 110V and >the only thing I remember about it was that it looked like a table saw with an >arm reaching over it. There was a wire running from the arm to the table. Th e >wire was hot and cut through the styrofoam like a hot knife through butter. I t >also sealed the ends nicely. Sounds like a very straight-forward design; a 4'x8' work table of plywood, with an arm like a scrollsaw, for deep cuts. Pick up a few yards of Nichrome wire at a hardware store, make screw clamps on the arm and below the table center to hold a stretched length of the wire. (You'll undoubtedly be replacing it regularly...) Power with a surplus transformer or Variac. A hundred watts would be way more than enough, at a guess. If you use a Variac, I would recommend an isolation transformer for safety! If a fixed transformer, select one with multiple primary and secondary taps, so you can tune the power to a comfortable level. Oh yeah - an aluminum disk set in the table's center, with a small hole for the hot wire would eliminate any smoke from that area... How about mounting the overarm and lower clamp on a pivot, so you could get angled cuts, with the workpiece flat? Dave From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 02:02:10 1996 From: "D. Joseph Creighton" Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: In the last exciting episode, William E Rompala wrote: } Has Anyone had good success with creating gravestones out of styrofoam that } don't look like they were made of styrofoam? Check the archives at http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/ I made my first tombstones last year and was summarily impressed with the results I got from the collected suggestions. } ps: How about putting [HAL] at the begining of the subject lines, as they } will stand out as posts to the Halloween list? Um, why would a posting to the Halloween list be interpreted as anything else? The header clearly indicates To: halloween-l@netcom.com - Joe -- "Never let the truth interfere with a good story." -- Minnie Pearl http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP]\ Sr. Programmer, DB Support: Administrative Systems Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 02:44:30 1996 From: Peepley@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:25:31 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: to quote the famous american, Rodney King: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. Why don't you both leave the list if all you two want to do is bitch. jas From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 02:46:19 1996 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:18:20 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: rrhill@ucdavis.edu (Rick Hill) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Sound Effect CD discovered at: http://www.bargainbooks.com/test/cdgame.htm ENCYCLOPEDIA OF HORROR SOUND EFFECTS 300+ Horror Sounds and Original horror and Suspense Music for your multimedia sound library. May be used royalty free for a wide variety of applications. The WAV files are supplied in 8-bit and 16-bit stereo format, and are (DDD) digitally recorded, mastered, and duplicated. Includes full length scores and clips of horror, suspense, mystery and sci-fi clips and just about every horror sound effect imaginable. ROW-10892 /WIN I don't have it. I just found it. Any one know about this? It looks like it would be good. Richard Hill Computer Operations Manager Office Phone: (916) 757-3002 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 757-3010 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 05:06:05 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flaming Grave From: SIMONJ@rh.wl.com (Jeff Simon) Date: 12 Aug 96 22:44:17 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Wow! Thanks for the tidbit on this attraction/prop. This is a great idea and looks to be simple enough to pull off. Don't know how my wife will feel about me digging up the front yard though .... -- Jeff A. Simon O- Proud Member D.N.R.C. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 14:42:49 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 06:29:55 EDT To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: tents Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 09:33 AM 8/12/96 +0000, you wrote: >The fun I am having now is >> finding a way to dye 100 yards of fabric black. > >she is able to use also the large >cow tanks to do this..(.but she has those avalible since she still >lives on the farm with my parents. A relatively cheap alternative might be to get a watering trough liner from a farm supply store. It's an black ABS plastic tub that is used to line the metal watering troughs. They are pretty sturdy, and can be used by themselves. Just a thought. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 15:32:37 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 06:42:00 EDT To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:49 AM 8/12/96, you wrote: >Has Anyone had good success with creating gravestones out of styrofoam that >don't look like they were made of styrofoam? I thought I could really be >creative with it as a material, as it lends itself nicely to carving. I didn't >want to stop at the rounded rectangle look. =) To the archives! Check out the pictures. >I was planning on doing some nice cherub carvings etc, but I am afraid of the >painted result. I used an old electric carving knife (found at a yardsale), and a soldering iron for "carving" the names. Stones were pretty quick and dirty, with practice and planning, I could have done better, but I did them before I knew about this list. >Any tips on color/material/paint? I actually found a color gray called tombstone grey at Home Depot, latex exterior only on raw foam. Spray paint will melt it. >ps: How about putting [HAL] at the begining of the subject lines, I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that... Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 15:41:42 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:01:08 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Off Topic Messages/GE Blacklights/Request -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: 08/12/96 11:36am >>> Barry, Case in point - the person in Takoma Park who owns a copy of the Morris haunted house book...was that you, Lauren, or someone else? Yep...That's me...ljones@aphis.usda.gov. From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 16:35:39 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:19:26 -0500 (CDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: HAL: re: Photo request Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 08:36 AM 8/12/96 -0600, you wrote: >Okay, DJ, we want photos! Photos! Photos, I tell you! > Lauren Hi, Lauren! Hmmmm. I'd love to see photos from list members' displays, too. I assume that posting them directly to the list would be bad form, though. If other members have photos to share, would you please post your email addresses to the list? Then maybe we can exchange photos privately via email. I can start with one of our "Headless Living Woman". (I've already got that one scanned.) If anyone wants to receive it (or photos of other displays I might have) please send me a private email. And please, do share your photos! We wanna see *all* your Halloween goodies! DJ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 17:23:38 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 09:24:26 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Spencer's Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: The Gaithersburg, MD Spencer's Halloween store may very well be opening on Friday, August 16th as opposed to the 15th which I posted a day or two ago. Regardless, keep your eyes peeled. Stores around the country should be opening by the end of this week or beginning of next week. Happy hunting! - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 18:22:20 1996 To: halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 13 Aug 96 8:32:34 Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >In the last exciting episode, William E Rompala wrote: >} Has Anyone had good success with creating gravestones out of styrofoam that >} don't look like they were made of styrofoam? >Check the archives at > http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/ "Dolp!" Of course. Sorry all. I had searched the archives for other things, but never thought to check for styrofoam. Thanks. >} ps: How about putting [HAL] at the begining of the subject lines, as they >} will stand out as posts to the Halloween list? >Um, why would a posting to the Halloween list be interpreted as anything >else? The header clearly indicates > To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm not saying there is an identification problem, but it is easier to sort by subject, some mail clients just give you the date, sender's name, and subject as the summary information. Just a thought. -W -=- William Rompala Rompala Consulting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil - From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 19:23:05 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:46:55 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: E-mail bombing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 02:58 PM 8/11/96 -0400, you wrote: >This weekend some "joker" added me to this >list and 2000 others worldwide. (Balance deleted for brevity) Hi Dave, Welcome to the list! Just kidding folks, I unsubscribed him. Denny From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 19:46:12 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:59:02 -0700 Subject: Grave of Fire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Neat grave idea, Barry. A game I have at home also sports a burning grave. (Chiller). Might try it sometime, assuming time, place, circumstance.... Wierd idea: ever seen those little motorized toy balls that can move by themselves? saw one painte3d like a soccer ball, bout 4 inches in diameter. Got me an idea in my evil little head :) Repaint the ball to look like an eyeball, then make a room with dead bodies, and these little beauties rolling around the floor all over the place (the corpses should be eyeless, naturally.... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 19:56:32 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:11:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: A little gravestone trick a friend tried was carving out of styrofoam, then burning the edges with a lighter. That melted them to look pretty rocky. They looked like weathered granite, and the paint afterwards helped mucho. Harry Traver "Bring back the Crystal Beach Cyclone!!!" [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 21:36:02 1996 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:56:55 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween Subject: Spencers! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Thank you to whoever it was that mentioned Spencers store. We went to the mall and boy do they have some great stuff. They told me they will be opening a big Halloween store at the end of this month. Between all the contacts I have made here on the list, the catalogs, and the stores you have told me about I can't miss making this my best Halloween ever!!! One of the things that they had in stock already are a prop that looks like a picture but the main subject comes out of the frame about 6 inches. It also glows in the dark. We are planning on making a tunnel with large picture frames with 3D objects inside the frames. The last frame will be of that neat plastic they used in Frightners with a mask behind it. When the kids get close to the last picture the person behind it will push it forward....this ought to cause some reaction!!!Hubby wants to put a popup ghost behind them so when they jump back from one it will cause the other to pop up behind them. More new bodies for the graveyard !!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 00:49:29 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:08:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: [HAL] Working with styrofoam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 01:40 PM 8/12/96 PDT, you wrote: >Sounds like a very straight-forward design; a 4'x8' work table of >plywood, with an arm like a scrollsaw, for deep cuts. Pick up a >few yards of Nichrome wire at a hardware store, make screw clamps >on the arm and below the table center to hold a stretched length >of the wire. (You'll undoubtedly be replacing it regularly...) >Power with a surplus transformer or Variac. A hundred watts would >be way more than enough, at a guess. If you use a Variac, Hey all, I've used a 6 amp. incandescent lamp dimmer (about $6.00 at hardware stores) to control four feet of Nichrome wire, leaving my $125.00 Variac open for other stuff (nothin' important). I've never bothered to measure the load but the cheap dimmer seems happy. If you don't have access to rolls of Nichrome, pull it out of the next blow dryer (gotta straighten out the coils) that dies in you house. For tension control add a small extension coil spring to one end of the Nichrome wire. Building a hand held "bow" design wire cutter comes in handy for freehand work. Remember to observe a good amount of safety around those bare wire ends. Denny PS. All the above can be used to build a strip bender if you ever want to work with sheets of plastic. It's exactly how I made my bender years ago. You can even leave the Nichrome slightly coiled as it comes from the blow dryer. B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 00:53:21 1996 From: stern@urshan.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:55:04 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: unsubscribe From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 02:33:29 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:30:48 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: tents Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I have gotten a lot of really good ideas from all of you on how to dye the fabric. So as soon as I get a perfect measurement I will start dying. Thanks for the ideas. Kathy the new kid on the cyrpt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 02:47:30 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:08:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Grave of Fire Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 11:01 AM 8/11/96 -0500, Barry wrote: (stuff deleted for brevity) > I had these lines welded together in a rectangle, with a gas >ventri at each end. Howdy y'all, Cool effect, hmmm, I wonder if I can tap into the gas line that runs to my yard light... yeah right, like my wife needs more ammo for a divorce attorney. ;) I think in most (all? is steel used anywhere?) parts of the country gas line or gas pipe refers to black, malleable iron pipe. I'd strongly suggest that if you're building this effect to use the proper pipe threaded fittings and thread sealant instead of welding. Welding black iron pipe, even if done by extremely experienced welders can be very risky if the finished assembly is going to be used for gas lines. The weld area needs to be preheated, welded, then annealed before the weld cools if it's going to stand a chance of staying together. More often than not the metal directly adjacent to the weld will fracture, especially in a structure that is going to be moved around from time to time. No big problem if your making storage racks for your garage but it could be pretty exciting for piping propane or natural gas. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 02:54:56 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:46:15 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: Re: Wow! More people just like me! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Okay, DJ, we want photos! Photos! Photos, I tell you! > Photos sent to the list? No thank you. If you have a photo that you wish to offer, please send a message and then mail the photo only to those that request it. Not all of us have toll-free unlimited-time internet access, and photos are quite large. I do not know of any mailing lists (other than those specifically created for that purpose) that condone the sending of binaries, and I certainly hope halloween-l does not become one. Most providers nowadays will offer a small ftp space included with your slip/ppp account, and it is quite simple for you to put the photo up for anonymous ftp and then email to the list a description of the photo along with the ftp address. Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 03:09:47 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:58:44 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: HAL: re: Photo request Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hello all, I have gotten several posts of pictures sent in code to the list, but for some reason I can not get them to change to photos. I am not the tech type. Any ideas?? Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 03:23:56 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:36:09 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spencer's Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Stu, I have been to both the Spencers in Santa Rosa Mall and the one in the Fairfield Mall. The Santa Rosa store is going to carry some of the Halloween items but are not going to open their own Halloween store. The Fairfield Mall will have a seperate store and they said it should be open towards the end of August, but they could not give me a date. Hope this is a help to the people in the area. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 03:38:25 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:46:12 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: Re: Off Topic Messages ?????? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >Could I suggest we set the list server so that a reply to any particular >posting goes directly to the person who sent it? If someone wants their >reply to be seen by the entire list, it's easy for them to add a cc >to halloween-l. (And it also eliminates a major potential for embarrassment) I have seen this on other lists, and my opinion is that it is very inconvenient. I believe that people on the list like to see the responses to questions that others pose. Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 03:52:03 1996 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:46:09 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: re: off topic messages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >I don't agree with Mr. Wulfe (who didn't have the courtesy to even >bother to sign his post, but he's the one that says leave >moderating to the moderators). Remember, not everyone on the >net is blessed with a mailer that identifies you for people. >Many people probably only see that mail comes from the >"halloween list" or something similar. Just to set the record straight, Mr. Wulfe *did* sign his posts, and he was *not* the one who said "leave moderating to the moderators". That message was from revcoal@pcnet.com. I have yet to see a mailreader that does not allow you to see the original sender's address. Even ones that appear not to will usually have an option for displaying full headers. Still, it is certainly polite and makes it conenient for the reader when a sig is displayed. Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 04:08:20 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ferris@terrabyte.net (Joan Berkowitz) Subject: We're New Members! Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:14:03 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hello there, we would like to introduce ourselves, Stephen and Joni Berkowitz. We love to decorate and have fun on Halloween. We usually go to the haunted hayrides the park dept. has here in South Florida. Last year we hung plastic bats down underneath the eaves of the house. We used alot of black and orange crepe paper around the house., and made spider webs from cotton that we found in the house. This sounds like a fun list....... Bye for now, Stephen and Joni Berkowitz :) ----------------------- Stephen & Joni Berkowitz ferris@terrabyte.net ----------------------- THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE ----------------------- From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 05:43:16 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone From: SIMONJ@rh.wl.com (Jeff Simon) Date: 14 Aug 96 04:16:26 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: . . . and then there were 300+. [creepy laugh] -- Jeff A. Simon Proud Member D.N.R.C. simonj@rh.wl.com O- From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 09:25:02 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 05:58:14 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween Stores Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: There are two large party stores in Laurel, MD, and one in Greenbelt. I'll keep an eye out for their Halloween "opening." From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 09:44:56 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 05:01:53 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: [HAL] Gravestone Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: At 03:55 PM 8/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >unsubscribe > Done. People, do not send unsubscribe messages to the list! Instructions were posted again just two days ago. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 10:08:13 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:37:49 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spencers! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: >The last frame will be of that neat plastic they used in Frightners with >a mask behind it. Kathy, I think you'll find what you're looking for at: http://www.btprod.com. Tell him Evil Dr. Halloween Librarian Historian sent you... ;) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 10:48:22 1996 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:53:37 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: We're New Members! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Joan Berkowitz writes: > Hello there, we would like to introduce ourselves, > Stephen and Joni Berkowitz. We love to decorate > and have fun on Halloween.... > ----------------------- > THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE > ----------------------- Welcome! ----------------------- TRUST NO ONE ----------------------- From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 11:39:36 1996 From: Stuart_McIntire_at_AISDC@ccsmtp.uage.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:45:17 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Spencer's Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hi Kathy! >I have been to both the Spencers in Santa Rosa Mall and the one in the >Fairfield Mall. The Santa Rosa store is going to carry some of the >Halloween items but are not going to open their own Halloween store. The >Fairfield Mall will have a seperate store and they said it should be >open towards the end of August, but they could not give me a date. Hope >this is a help to the people in the area. Yep, some of the Spencer's are year-round stores that carry a small line of Halloween items at this time of year. The Fairfield Mall location appears to be a Spencer's "Halloween Headquarters" which carries an extensive line of Halloween product (geared mostly towards costumes and masks). I've only seen a smattering of what will be on the shelves this year. A lot will probably be carry over product from last year. I did see a few new items, but couldn't get a really close look. I'm sure once I see the stock, I'll see a lot of new stuff. Plus, I believe, Spencer's also carries exclusive product (as I've been told). - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 13:43:35 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:52:45 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Off Topic Messages ?????? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >>Other than policing ourselves, I suggest the next best way to stop chatter >>is for normally quiet people to overload the list with useful, interesting >>information. Seems so simple, choose a topic and jump in. You wrote: >...um... >If the problem is TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, I don't think that the answer is EVEN MORE! Where was the problem described as being "too much traffic"? The problem was off topic posts a.k.a. chatter and the people self-assigned to teach netiquette. The suggestion above was for more useful, interesting and topical posts from people we don't normally hear from to counter the off topic posts. >Could I suggest we set the list server...