> Kathy I'm in the same boat. Every year we pick a different theme to decorate our tree with, so I suggested this great idea. My husband looked appalled and said he thought I was getting a bit obsessive about Halloween. Now, how could anybody be obsessive about Halloween??? Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 08:15:06 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 06:02:07 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Water head!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu, You said "Over aquarium head, or the VISA bill??? ;)" I am not sure!! The last thing he said when he went to bed was ...NO not the money not the money!!!! but than again during the night he walked out to the aquarium and said " no no no " so who knows!!!! This is a definite on next years list of things to make!! I am dialing tap plastics now for cost!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 08:21:43 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 06:09:55 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Adventure Store Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu, My husband has never forgiven me for this following story!!.. When we first met he had a box full of the original tales from the crypt comic books!! His older brother had given them to him. Well, I read the first one on top..a story of someone who did not want someone to die so they put a spell on them. The only problem being that they were embalmed already!! Gross story for me back then so I made him get rid of all of them.... I know I should be shot!! He still tells people what a idiot I was, and I guess still am!!! I am going to try to get a job next year at the Spencers if for nothing else than to get ideas from people coming in the store. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 08:40:27 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 11:28:58 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Fright Stuff Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anybody know if the items at spencers,i think there're called fright stuff are available through a catalouge or the net for bulk prices or just lower prices Thanks in advance HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 08:44:44 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 06:35:43 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmare Before Christmas > ? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Debbie, We are doing a tribute to Movie Monsters next year, maybe a Nightmare before Christmas tree in the graveyard would be great!! I could make a contest out of the yard!! Guess what movies are being honored!! Thanks for a fun idea. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 08:53:28 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:20:05 -0500 From: Rob Freeman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: It's the day! and More to Come! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny Wrote: > ...it was only an hour of > very basic lathe work. Simple it you have a lathe and know how to use it. Heck, I just bought a tiny home welder (Montgomery Wards) at a garage sale for 15 bucks. It can only weld small stuff, like tin cans, but I'm in seventh heaven with it. It opens my horizons so much more. > another double lift cylinder of 20 inches retracted and around 54 inches > extended. I bet you get a rise out of that :) When it's fully extended, is there some wobble in it? I'd almost be too afraid of making something that tall because it would tend to be top heavy. I'd like to hear about your progress with the effect. -- Happy Haunting Rob Freeman freemanr@oeonline.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 08:54:18 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:06:02 -0500 From: Rob Freeman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Craig Lewis wrote: > I have done a few haunted houses in my time, none of them were guided > houses. > Does anybody have any other experiences one way or the other? My haunt is unguided for the simple fact that I can't get enough (any) volunteers. My first haunt was a maze set up with curtains in my basement for a party. All of the moving effects were done by hand or had to reset after each visit. I ended up staying in the dark all night. It was great scaring people, but I missed the party. After that, I resolved to never have to stand inside to babysit the 'monsters'. The down side of this is that faster groups end up running into slower groups, rowdies tend to upset some things, and this year, for the first time, I had some props stolen from inside the haunt. -- Happy Haunting Rob Freeman freemanr@oeonline.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 09:03:58 1996 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: Lucien Desar To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Tales from the crypt book Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu, The book you are refering to costs about @ $30 or so, it is in the cartoon section of most bookstores, big hardcover book you can't miss it. Lucien From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 09:15:04 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 08:57:03 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Adventure Store Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stuart McIntire wrote: > BTW, there's a great book out there somewhere that gets in- > to the whole history of Tales from the Crypt, including a > big section on merchandise. It's heavily illustrated and > makes a great conversation piece. Unfortunately, I haven't > a clue what the title or price is... :( > I saw it at Walden Books in Tracy, Ca. It's title escapes me, "Tales >From the Crypt" something something ;-), but the price was $45. Cool book. Very graphic. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 09:33:01 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:21:47 -0500 From: "Candance S. Towsley" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > >BTW, has anybody hear of some "Haunted Restraunt" in New York? > > Would that be the same place where Peter Graves hosted > the segments for A&E's Biography on the old horror film > stars (Lon Chaney, Jr., Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi, > Peter Lorre)? I saw the one on Lugosi - it seems to me > whatever the name of the place was, it was in New York > and may very well have been a restaurant. > > - Stu > stuart.mcintire@uage.com > When I was in New York about 3 years ago, I was directed to a place in Grenich Village called Jeckle & Hyde`s. It was a bar, but they served food. They were a cool haunt. Skeletons playing organs, paintings with moving eyes, TV's everywhere playing horror flicks, even hidden doors to the bathrooms. They featured a selection of beers from around the world. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 09:34:37 1996 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: Nancy Miller To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Adventure Store Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, me, too! The Spencers Stores in Michigan were fabulous. Course we may go insane due to the sensor fright items always being tripped to either scream, talk or do that scary music! On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Mike Marcrum wrote: > Stu, > My husband has never forgiven me for this following story!!.. > When we first met he had a box full of the original tales from the crypt > comic books!! His older brother had given them to him. Well, I read the > first one on top..a story of someone who did not want someone to die so > they put a spell on them. The only problem being that they were embalmed > already!! Gross story for me back then so I made him get rid of all of > them.... I know I should be shot!! He still tells people what a idiot I > was, and I guess still am!!! > I am going to try to get a job next year at the Spencers if for nothing > else than to get ideas from people coming in the store. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > ****************************************** namiller@umich.edu/NPPC/Phoenix Rising, Inc. "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, in 1981 - From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 10:06:21 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:57:33 -0500 From: Craig Lewis To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > Obviously they should have informed you of that when your blueprints were > turned into the building commission for approval! Plywood is not allowed in > many communities unless treated at the mill or locally for flame retardancy > or painted with a couple of coats of flame retardant paint. Even then most > Fire Marshalls will hesitate, even with a sprinkler system, which is > required in most towns for any type of building open to the public. Well, we even said we would buy the expensive stuff, no deal. We couldn't even fireproof it ourselves. He told us that he would have to test it. It would then have to pass his test BEFORE we could start building. Again back to the short time available for building....we gave in. I think he was a member of a church that doesn't like Halloween. I called the state fire marshall. He told me that what we were doing would be fine, but he couldn't get down for about 4 weeks to help us. So, it comes down to plain harassment! Craig -- CyberImage- Custom Caps, Shirts & Color ID Badges http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 10:17:05 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:04:57 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: It's the day! and More to Come! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:20 AM 11/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >I bet you get a rise out of that :) Doh! >When it's fully extended, is there some wobble in it? >I'd almost be too >afraid of making something that tall because it would tend to be top >heavy. Hey Rob, No wobble, there's plenty of bearing surface in the cylinder. It's only lifting a couple of pounds max. so there isn't a tendency to be top heavy. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 10:17:15 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:07:52 -0500 From: Craig Lewis To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > sure...Dad cuffs the young man on the ear and tells him " that is what > you get for being a smart $%^ next time you will listen to the lady" !!! > By the time he was out of the haunt they were all laughing and asking if > they could go through again. Thanks Dad!!!! It is suprising that more parents don't pay attention to what their kids do! Why would any parent in the right mind let older kids out to get candy. Do they think it's cute? This year I had to "threaten" 3 kids that I would call the cops if they didn't leave ....NOW. They did, and that was the end of each situation.....but I shouldn't have to even do that. The older ones almost spoil it for the younger ones. Craig -- CyberImage- Custom Caps, Shirts & Color ID Badges http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 10:23:57 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:10:45 -0500 From: Craig Lewis To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stuart McIntire wrote: > > >BTW, has anybody hear of some "Haunted Restraunt" in New York? > > Would that be the same place where Peter Graves hosted > the segments for A&E's Biography on the old horror film > stars (Lon Chaney, Jr., Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi, > Peter Lorre)? I saw the one on Lugosi - it seems to me > whatever the name of the place was, it was in New York > and may very well have been a restaurant. > Could be....I saw it on the Sci-Fi Channel last year I think. It looked pretty cool. I wish sleepy littlr Roanoke would do something like that here.!!! Craig -- CyberImage- Custom Caps, Shirts & Color ID Badges http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 10:59:54 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 10:53:47 -0800 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Which way? To: halloween-l@edsug.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>> >BTW, has anybody hear of some "Haunted Restraunt" in New York? *>> *>> Would that be the same place where Peter Graves hosted *>> the segments for A&E's Biography on the old horror film *>> stars (Lon Chaney, Jr., Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi, *>> Peter Lorre)? I saw the one on Lugosi - it seems to me *>> whatever the name of the place was, it was in New York *>> and may very well have been a restaurant. *>> *> The place Peter Graves was at is called the "Jekyll & Hyde Club". I don't have any more information than the name and that its in New York. -- <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> | "We do not stop playing because we've grown old. | | We grow old because we've stopped playing." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS **| <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 12:11:32 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 14:02:21 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Craig Lewis wrote: > > sure...Dad cuffs the young man on the ear and tells him " that is what > > you get for being a smart $%^ next time you will listen to the lady" !!! > > By the time he was out of the haunt they were all laughing and asking if > > they could go through again. Thanks Dad!!!! > > It is suprising that more parents don't pay attention to what their > kids do! Why would any parent in the right mind let older kids out to > get candy. Do they think it's cute? (more deleted) > Craig > -- > CyberImage- Custom Caps, Shirts & Color ID Badges > http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber Craig & anybody else: This age thing came up in several of my circles this year: What do you think is the appropriate "cut-off age" for trick-or-treaters? I saw a lot of kids that I know are in 8th grade out there. (13, mostly 14, I happen to have a kid in that grade so we recognized them) I don't think I saw anyone over that age this yr. (but have in the past) and then it's usually a group of girls, with maybe 1 or 2 guys thrown in. A radio host in Dallas said he thinks 10 yrs. old is the oldest age to go door-to-door. We had some 6th grade trouble makers that came to our set-up. They first came by to trick-or-treat. I just happen to know their rep because I help at the middle school a lot. The serious trouble-makers that came later were older friends that returned with the first bunch & they just came for tricks, not treats! (Long story, but they came hoping to start a fight with the 4 boys who were volunteering in my haunted yard event. They knew where the "live spooks" were hiding & they wanted to "surprise" them themselves.) My live spooks were taking a break as it was getting late with fewer treaters coming by. The thugs were _mighty_ disappointed. We had to laugh. You know they'd been making big plans for the entire 3 blocks it took to walk over! What a pain. My 13 yr. old just happened to be grounded on Halloween (ouch!) but he's transitioning into the haunted yard thing so hopefully he will at least still get into the holiday in a "positive" way & not be out wandering the streets like a lot of older kids were. (yes, I _do_ know where my kid is!) Gotta give 'em an alternative. And when they get older, there is _never_ a parent escort! A neighbor kid & his little brother came to the door t-or-t'ing 2 yrs. ago & the older one carried a beeper so his parents could tell them when to come home! > It is suprising that more parents don't pay attention to what their > kids do! Like I said, I'm on the PTA board at our 6-7-8 grade middle school (volunteer coordinator, I _know_ exactly how many {few} parents are involved at this age level!) I could curl your toenails with true stories. To quote a wise middle-schooler: "Be afraid. Be very afraid." karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 12:42:03 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 14:32:31 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: milk jug skeletons update Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It's a lie!! People are not unsubscribing to this list after Halloween. They are all making milk jug skeletons! I have sent out directions to over 10 states & Canada so far. Better yet, some kind souls offered to scan it for me!! Thanks Dave & Larry! :-) Let us know how that works out. karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 13:54:52 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 16:36:30 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Too old to trick or treat? -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com IMHO, 10 should be the cut off, but absolutely when they turn a teenager. If you're a teen, no T&T! At least, that's what I'll tell my little girl when she gets to that age. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! >>> The Proctors 11/5/96 5:02 pm >>> Craig Lewis wrote: > > sure...Dad cuffs the young man on the ear and tells him " that is what > > you get for being a smart $%^ next time you will listen to the lady" !!! > > By the time he was out of the haunt they were all laughing and asking if > > they could go through again. Thanks Dad!!!! > > It is suprising that more parents don't pay attention to what their > kids do! Why would any parent in the right mind let older kids out to > get candy. Do they think it's cute? (more deleted) > Craig > -- > CyberImage- Custom Caps, Shirts & Color ID Badges > http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber Craig & anybody else: This age thing came up in several of my circles this year: What do you think is the appropriate "cut-off age" for trick-or-treaters? I saw a lot of kids that I know are in 8th grade out there. (13, mostly 14, I happen to have a kid in that grade so we recognized them) I don't think I saw anyone over that age this yr. (but have in the past) and then it's usually a group of girls, with maybe 1 or 2 guys thrown in. A radio host in Dallas said he thinks 10 yrs. old is the oldest age to go door-to-door. We had some 6th grade trouble makers that came to our set-up. They first came by to trick-or-treat. I just happen to know their rep because I help at the middle school a lot. The serious trouble-makers that came later were older friends that returned with the first bunch & they just came for tricks, not treats! (Long story, but they came hoping to start a fight with the 4 boys who were volunteering in my haunted yard event. They knew where the "live spooks" were hiding & they wanted to "surprise" them themselves.) My live spooks were taking a break as it was getting late with fewer treaters coming by. The thugs were _mighty_ disappointed. We had to laugh. You know they'd been making big plans for the entire 3 blocks it took to walk over! What a pain. My 13 yr. old just happened to be grounded on Halloween (ouch!) but he's transitioning into the haunted yard thing so hopefully he will at least still get into the holiday in a "positive" way & not be out wandering the streets like a lot of older kids were. (yes, I _do_ know where my kid is!) Gotta give 'em an alternative. And when they get older, there is _never_ a parent escort! A neighbor kid & his little brother came to the door t-or-t'ing 2 yrs. ago & the older one carried a beeper so his parents could tell them when to come home! > It is suprising that more parents don't pay attention to what their > kids do! Like I said, I'm on the PTA board at our 6-7-8 grade middle school (volunteer coordinator, I _know_ exactly how many {few} parents are involved at this age level!) I could curl your toenails with true stories. To quote a wise middle-schooler: "Be afraid. Be very afraid." karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 13:59:01 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 16:42:44 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com, freemanr@oeonline.com Subject: It's the day! and More to Come! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Would you possibly have plans for all these great items, or know where to get them?!?! Would love to have them!! TIA!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! >>> Rob Freeman 11/1/96 1:04 pm >>> Don Bertino wrote: > This list will not go away, but the level will die back alittle. This list > is what *you* all make of it. First, I want to thank everyone on the list for all of their great ideas, and most importantly, for the encouragement to keep going. Every year I keep asking myself why I spend so much time building my haunt for the few hours that it's put to use. This year, the enthusiasm of every one on the list helped me thru some of those all-nighters and missed dinners. Of course, hearing the screams as people go thru my haunt reminds why I really do it. And then there's the list of people that every year tell me that they always come by the house on Halloween night just to see the monsters when they get moved to the front lawn. I only joined the list in September, so I was only able to include a few ideas into my haunt this year. And I've posted a few technical things that hopefully you have been able to put to use. But to pay back all of you for help and encouragement, I plan on posting directions to some of the effects that I have created. I apologize that I didn't do this before Halloween, but you all know what kind of time it takes to build a haunt. With all the time I devoted to just reading the list, I didn't have time to write the directions down. When I'm done putting everything away, I should have plenty of time to post them. Some of the things that you can look forward to are: - pnuematics: . Jack-in-the-Box . Arm's Up! . Dracula Rises . T-Rex Attacks - motor controlled . Hat's off . The Mouse - electronics: . 20,000 volt shocker . Delay timer . Relay controls and much more. Hopefully this will encourage many of you to stay active on the list. I know that I will. (I have to keep getting my Halloween fix!) -- Happy Haunting Rob Freeman freemanr@oeonline.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 14:32:15 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:18:22 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Craig and Ghouls, We have thought about setting a rule for next year. If you are older and are not escorting little ones maybe you should go somewhere else to play. We had a lot of older kids but they had little ones with them, and we had a ton of older parent age people with no kids....the only group we had trouble with was the older 18-19 with the I know it all attitudes!!! thats OK next year we will just drop them in a pit and forget them till next year. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 15:06:09 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 17:47:37 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fright Stuff Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Does anybody know if the items at spencers,i think there're called >fright stuff are available through a catalouge or the net for bulk >prices or just lower prices Hmmm...someone who knows may need to back me up on this. I *think* that the Fright Stuff tag you see is a Spencer's trademark. I *think* that I've seen items from different manufacturers tagged with the same logo. On the price tag (this was true in our store, anyway), there is a two letter code which signifies the manufacturer (so I suppose the two-letter code for Distortions is DU; the code for Don Post may be DP, etc.). Then there's a shorthand description - usually the name of the product, then the SKU number, and finally the price. If any of you happen to have Fright Stuff tags on your Halloween merchandise and you see different manufacturer codes on different tags, then my theory probably holds up. Geez...you'd think after working there part-time for two years, I'd know what the hey was going on!?! - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 15:07:36 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 18:00:56 -0800 From: "John P. Jeffries" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Little kid eh? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: >...the only group > we had trouble with was the older 18-19 with the I know it all > attitudes!!! thats OK next year we will just drop them in a pit and > forget them till next year. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com A few years ago when I played the "Mad Dr." We had several people that were taunting other patrons. I "hobbled" out keeping crouched and as "crippled" looking as possible (about 4'2"). One of the wizinhimers tunred and looked down to see me watching him. "Oh! Look!" he said. "Another little kid...well, watcha gana do...SCARE ME???" He continued in a snotty attitude. I looked up an said "no" in a high timid voice. I then slowly stood upright to as tall as I could streach and watched his eyes bulge to see this "kid" become far larger the he.(I stand over 6'0) I then looked DOWN to him and said: "I'm gana use YOU and your buddies here for a little test (pulling out a cordless hand held circular saw). Kinda funny, never thought one could move so fast from a dead stand. After watching them (and crowd laughing) I returned to the 4'2" "crippled" look of the old man, and "hobbled" back to the back of the building....Oh well, just a thought. The pit is a good idea...Hummm wonder if you need a permit to dispose of trash??? John "A bad mind is a terrible thing to taste" ***************************************** * Mr. Scary Productions * * e-mail mrscary@kiva.net * * Web: http://www.kiva.net/~mrscary * ***************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 15:46:49 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 15:34:06 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The first part of this post is directed primarily to the veterans and people involved in Halloween on a commercial basis, i.e., Don, Denny, Craig, Carl, Stu. However, I would be grateful for comments from anyone on the list who can contribute. How do you people who depend on Halloween for a living fill the fiscal void during the off months? I realize that, for Stu, Spencer Gifts has a year-round customer base. For others, do you continue to sell to the general theatrical market? More specifically, do any of you make a living at creating and operating haunted houses (is this you, Craig?)? If so, do you face unique fiscal challenges during the off-months? If this is true, how do you deal with this? What I'm driving at in all this is what I have discovered in myself to be a more serious curiosity about public haunted houses. Are there commercial haunted houses that operate all year long? Are they economically viable? Do they always have a Halloween theme? Are year-round haunted houses found only as attractions within larger theme parks, i.e. Disneyland? I am located in San Diego, where a third of our local economy is in tourism. Further, besides our zoo and wild animal park, we are home to a Sea World and, in the near future, a Legoland. We have a broad base for leisure activity business in our city and our largest source of population growth, Mexico, is a region that recognizes Halloween in a very significant fashion. To wrap this up, I am very interested in hearing about the business aspects from the business people and veterans in the group and comments in general from all members who can share viewpoints about "the other eleven months". Many thanks for any and all responses. Again, thanks to Don for our forum and to everyone for making it the success that it is. Greg in Vista H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 16:47:27 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 16:22:21 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: No mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My provider's mail server was down today starting at about 9:00 am PST. Did I miss anything? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 17:49:16 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:36:12 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Self serving advertisement from TBD Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey All, If you're looking to give or get a haunted Christmas gift, I would briefly like to announce that gift certificates are now available from Terror By design in any denomination over $10.00. Ordering can be done by phone, fax or mail with Visa or Mastercard. Thanks much, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design 630-830-9561 7:30 am. to 5:30 pm. CST fax 630-830-9577 24 hours Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 17:49:23 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:36:10 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:34 PM 11/5/96 -0800, you wrote: >The first part of this post is directed primarily to the veterans and people >involved in Halloween on a commercial basis, i.e., Don, Denny, Craig, Carl, >Stu. However, I would be grateful for comments from anyone on the list who >can contribute. > >How do you people who depend on Halloween for a living fill the fiscal void >during the off months? I realize that, for Stu, Spencer Gifts has a >year-round customer base. For others, do you continue to sell to the >general theatrical market? Hi Greg, My bread and butter for most of the year is as a self employed Mechanical Engineer that does early product development, much of it for the toy industry. B.T. Productions' Terror By Design was born from my love of haunted houses and Halloween. While being an ME can keep me busy 7 days a week, my goal is to grow away from it with TBD. Orders and TBD new product development take priority over ME work. The best thing you can do if you're interested in starting your own business is to devote time EVERY DAY to doing it, no matter how tired or busy your regular day is. That time can be as short as 15 minutes, but you must study, plan, design, experiment, seek financing if needed, anything, every day! NO DAYS OFF, unless you're hurt or very sick. You'll be amazed how fast things will start coming together. If I can offer any other help or you have any questions, drop me a line. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 17:55:36 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:43:52 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: No mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:22 PM 11/5/96 -0800, you wrote: >My provider's mail server was down today starting at about 9:00 am PST. >Did I miss anything? >Bob Andrews Dang Bob, only the wildest party I've ever seen and that includes some darn good times at Bubba's Honda Drop years back. You've gotta get pictures of your graveyard fence on a web site (I'll put 'em on my customer page if you don't mind) so people on this list can see the really fantastic work you did. Folks, calling it a fence is a gross understatement! Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 19:11:22 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 17:00:10 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Little kid eh? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, What a great idea!! I bet that someone found their feet real fast!! The only problem is that I am 4'1" so they were about a foot or more taller than me. What was funny was when my husband and the man helping him met them in the middle they were not so brave!! Maybe that is what we need several live dummies in each room in case of trouble!! this could be the start of a great idea. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 19:11:44 1996 From: "Arnold & Sheri" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:25:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've been to the restaurant/bar you're talking about. It's really cool. The downstairs is set up as a sort of prehistoric/indiana jones theme and the upstairs has a bar that is set up as a laboratory complete with drinks served in test tubes. Also upstairs is a restaurant set up as a tribal place. Complete with a talking head on the wall that a guy sits behind and interacts with the customers. It's very very cool. On the wall downstairs is the head of a dinosaur that periodically spews out smoke and roars. Upstairs is the head of an alligator which does the same thing. I highly recommend going here if you ever get the chance. The staff is dressed up to fit the atmosphere and the food is great! It's located on 7th Avenue South (not sure of the intersecting street) Let me know if you get the chance to go there!! Sheri aka PoisnIvy .> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 10:53:47 -0800 > From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) > Subject: Re: Which way? > To: halloween-l@edsug.com > Reply-to: halloween-l@netcom.com > > *>> >BTW, has anybody hear of some "Haunted Restraunt" in New York? > *>> > *>> Would that be the same place where Peter Graves hosted > *>> the segments for A&E's Biography on the old horror film > *>> stars (Lon Chaney, Jr., Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi, > *>> Peter Lorre)? I saw the one on Lugosi - it seems to me > *>> whatever the name of the place was, it was in New York > *>> and may very well have been a restaurant. > *>> > *> > > The place Peter Graves was at is called the "Jekyll & Hyde Club". > > I don't have any more information than the name and that its in > New York. > > -- > <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> > | "We do not stop playing because we've grown old. | > | We grow old because we've stopped playing." | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------| > | rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS **| > <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> > +============================================+ |Visit us at: | | http://www.geocities.com/heartland/4269 | +============================================+ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 20:32:03 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? From: rodney3@juno.com (Rodney G Grantham) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:27:46 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg, The Winchester House in California seems to have aspects of 'haunted house' about. It is year-round, but I think particularly attractive at halloween. It is real, however, having been built by the Winchester heiress in the apparently mistaken belief that she would live as long as she kept adding to it. Very interesting design. Nice stained glass windows and gardens. I can't recall where in California it is. Been a while, but I found it from some brochures when doing when of my random drive vacations through California/Nevada. Rodney rodney3@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2049 On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 15:34:06 -0800 Greg Hope writes: >What I'm driving at in all this is what I have discovered in myself to >be a more serious curiosity about public haunted houses. Are there >commercial haunted houses that operate all year long? Are they economically >viable? >Do they always have a Halloween theme? Are year-round haunted houses >found only as attractions within larger theme parks, i.e. Disneyland? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 20:58:33 1996 From: GFerris330@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:47:08 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg, In a message dated 96-11-05 18:42:37 EST, you write: << Are there commercial haunted houses that operate all year long? Are they economically viable? Do they always have a Halloween theme? Are year-round haunted houses found only as attractions within larger theme parks, i.e. Disneyland? >> I don't work in the industry but I can answer part of your question. I live in Rochester, NY and there are no year-round haunts around here. However, just a short drive away in Niagara Falls, Canada, is a superb haunt. It is called "Nightmares Fear Factory" and it is located very close to the Falls. It is open year round and seems to do a good business. We have been there at all times of year. Though you rarely see a long line, there seems to be steady traffic, even at "off times" of the year. There are 3 other "year-round" haunts in Niagara Falls but they are very poor. As I recall, they are "The Haunted House", "Castle Dracula", and "Castle Frankenstein". All three look great from outside but are quite pathetic once you get inside. None of these have any live "spooks" and are similar to walking through a poor, wax museum. As far as I know there are a good number of other "year-round" haunts scattered around the country. I believe there are 2 or 3 in Texas alone. I suspect, however, that a "year-round" haunt would require a city which draw lots of tourists...(always plenty of fresh blood :) Take Care, Greg in Rochester, NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 21:26:35 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:19:37 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: John Wohlers Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:18 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >Craig and Ghouls, > We have thought about setting a rule for next year. If you are older >and are not escorting little ones maybe you should go somewhere else to >play. We had a lot of older kids but they had little ones with them, and >we had a ton of older parent age people with no kids....the only group >we had trouble with was the older 18-19 with the I know it all >attitudes!!! thats OK next year we will just drop them in a pit and >forget them till next year. >Kathy You know, I had some little brat come by while I was setting up (I do ALL my setup on Halloween day, gives better results) and the only way I could get her to leave was to insist that if she didn't leave NOW her friends would find two fresh graves where there is only normally one. and the I proceded to pick up my shovel and start digging up a few chunks of dirt. She was on her bike quicker than my strobe light... She didn't even come back later in the night to visit. hehehehehe John ************************************************************* * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * * John Wohlers O- * * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * ************************************************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 21:41:41 1996 From: GFerris330@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:33:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, Beth and I are very depressed that all of the fun is over for another year. Thanks to everyone for sharing all of your great ideas. I'm not really sure which one of you folks created the list, but I'd like to thank you too. It's just great to hear about how other folks share in the same hobbies that you have. As I mentioned in my previous post, there is a year-round haunt up in Niagara Falls, Canada. At some point between now and the first of the year, we are planning on making a trip up there. I'm writing this post to see whether there is anyone on the list who would be interested in joining us. I realize that lots of you live on the west coast or in places where this little outing would not be feasible. However, Niagara Falls is within range of most of the Northeast. I also realize that taking a trip, just to see a haunt is out of the question for many. No worry, Niagara Falls is splendid during the holiday season. The Festival of Lights is in full swing, and there is lots of great shopping (both in Niagara Falls and Buffalo). If anybody is interested, let me know and I'll dig up any tourism info. that you like. It can easily be done as a "day-trip" for people from Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. I was thinking of meeting up there in the afternoon, at one of the little restaurants which line Victoria Ave. Perhaps everybody could bring pictures from this year's Halloween. I'm sure we'd all get a kick out of looking at each other's pictures. After that, we could head over to Nightmares for a good scare. Well, let me know what you think, or if anyone is interested. I've included a brief review of Nightmares below so you can get an idea of what to expect. Nightmares Fear Factory 5631 Victoria Ave. (One Block East of Clifton Hill) Niagara Falls Canada I've been going to Nightmares since I was in high school. It is by far, the scariest thing I've ever been in (though I've never been to the "mega-haunts" mentioned on the list). You walk up the steps into a dimly lit room. Here a somber man takes your money and leads you to a curtained doorway. There is a traffic light just outside the door. The man explains that you may enter when the light turns green. A large sign on the wall boasts that over 30,000 people failed to finish the haunt last year. It explains that if you get too scared, you need simply yell "nightmares", and the scares will stop and "something" will come to get you out of the haunt. The light turns green and in you go. There are no lights (at all) within the walls of Nightmares. It's a "feel your way and hope nothing grabs back" through the whole joint. At times you hear noises or music. Occasionally something will light up for just a second but for the most part, it's pitch black. I've been through numbers of times and I still have no idea of the layout of the place. I do know that they can shift the walls at their leisure. Often they will do this to keep groups running running into each other. However, since it's pitch black, you have no idea of when it is happening. Liquid splashes you and slimy things brush against you. The "denizens" of Nightmares have an uncanny way of always knowing where you are. Bloodcurdling screams and hideous laughs ring out when you least expect it. I've also had them "join" our group. Suddenly you'd feel warm breath on the back of your neck, just before you remember that nobodys behind you. Well, that's all that I'll say for now. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Greg in Rochester, NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 5 23:01:47 1996 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 22:55:51 -0700 From: Dana Collins To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmare Before Christmas > ? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lucien Desar scribbled in blood: "...any other weirdos like me that look like they walked out of the Adams Family 365 days a year..." If you mean your basic goth-type: listening to a little too much Christian Death, think that Marilyn Manson is performing a public service, and that there is nothing like a pair of 10-eye doc's, then yes there is... Actually, I have to tone down a bit for work (slacks, button-up shirt, the like), but during the weekend, decked in black and a SoM shirt. I like the spooky X-mas tree though. I ended up having a test at a night course on Halloween which destroyed the evening between 6-9 and was not able to do anything outstanding because of it. However, my girlfriend, always giving me the room to desecrate a loved family tradition despite her personal opinions, suggested that I can somehow defile the X-mas decorations in the front yard. Whatta' woman! ---Dana From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 04:15:34 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Mike Marcrum'" Subject: RE: Which way? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:09:47 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I had a wonderful crowd with the exception of course, of a couple of 18-19 year olds who decided they wanted a souvenir. We didn't have an indoor type haunt so there was no real discreet way to try to steal anything. Instead they tried to wrestle the scythe off of the Reaper. Thankfully I had a good grip on it (actually my hands were frozen to it), but I must admit for a moment I wished it was real and I could use it. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Craig and Ghouls, We have thought about setting a rule for next year. If you are older and are not escorting little ones maybe you should go somewhere else to play. We had a lot of older kids but they had little ones with them, and we had a ton of older parent age people with no kids....the only group we had trouble with was the older 18-19 with the I know it all attitudes!!! thats OK next year we will just drop them in a pit and forget them till next year. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 04:21:44 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'milwiron@btprod.com'" Subject: RE: Self serving advertisement from TBD Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:16:30 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Now this is something I'll pass on to the hubby, he knows I'm gonna spend it anyway, he might as well make it a Christmas gift. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Hey All, If you're looking to give or get a haunted Christmas gift, I would briefly like to announce that gift certificates are now available from Terror By design in any denomination over $10.00. Ordering can be done by phone, fax or mail with Visa or Mastercard. Thanks much, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design 630-830-9561 7:30 am. to 5:30 pm. CST fax 630-830-9577 24 hours Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 04:33:46 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'GFerris330@aol.com'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: November through September? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:27:16 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay where precisely in Niagara Falls are these places. I have heard of them but everyone I asked from that area had no idea where they were. And if you just live in Rochester there is actually someone on this list I can go haunting with, now I'm smiling. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Greg, In a message dated 96-11-05 18:42:37 EST, you write: << Are there commercial haunted houses that operate all year long? Are they economically viable? Do they always have a Halloween theme? Are year-round haunted houses found only as attractions within larger theme parks, i.e. Disneyland? >> I don't work in the industry but I can answer part of your question. I live in Rochester, NY and there are no year-round haunts around here. However, just a short drive away in Niagara Falls, Canada, is a superb haunt. It is called "Nightmares Fear Factory" and it is located very close to the Falls. It is open year round and seems to do a good business. We have been there at all times of year. Though you rarely see a long line, there seems to be steady traffic, even at "off times" of the year. There are 3 other "year-round" haunts in Niagara Falls but they are very poor. As I recall, they are "The Haunted House", "Castle Dracula", and "Castle Frankenstein". All three look great from outside but are quite pathetic once you get inside. None of these have any live "spooks" and are similar to walking through a poor, wax museum. As far as I know there are a good number of other "year-round" haunts scattered around the country. I believe there are 2 or 3 in Texas alone. I suspect, however, that a "year-round" haunt would require a city which draw lots of tourists...(always plenty of fresh blood :) Take Care, Greg in Rochester, NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 04:38:40 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'GFerris330@aol.com'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:31:28 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes please Greg, you forgot to mention those of who live about 45 minutes away from Niagara Falls, I'd love to join you as you say the festival of lights is a must see as well. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Hi, Beth and I are very depressed that all of the fun is over for another year. Thanks to everyone for sharing all of your great ideas. I'm not really sure which one of you folks created the list, but I'd like to thank you too. It's just great to hear about how other folks share in the same hobbies that you have. Greg in Rochester, NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 05:18:18 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 06:09:18 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Flickering Flame Bulbs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Haven't gotten caught up on my email yet, but wanted you guys to know that Franks (Maryland and Pennsylvania and beyond) is carrying flame-shaped flicker flame (flame shaped) bulbs this year in blister packs of 2 for $2.99. Remember this for the after-Christmas half-price sales! You might want to keep an eye as the year wears on; sometimes there aren't any left over after Christmas (and some stores start sales early), so if the supply begins to run low, you might want to pick these up for full price. Hope everyone's Halloween was a success! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 05:37:39 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 08:30:36 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: RE: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:09 AM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote: > they wanted a souvenir. We didn't have an indoor type haunt so there was no real discreet way to try to steal anything. Instead they tried to wrestle the scythe off of the Reaper. Thankfully I had a good grip on it (actually my hands were frozen to it), but I must admit for a moment I wished it was real and I could use it. I wasn't so lucky, sometime during the night (Friday), Someone wrestled the scythe from the reaper. They must've had a bit of a time of it, because he was slid up on his re-bar stake a pretty good distance, and stayed that way until morning. This was a bit of a wake up call because I thought I was fairly immune to this sort of thing. I think that next year I will have to insulate myself a little more (from the road), and use more than the porch security light for defense (though it did work on Lauren Jones). I'm thinking perimeter sensors, halogen lights, and a horn. Maybe an electric fence too >:) I still think that this is a fairly isolated incident, someone was probably on their way to a halloween party, and needed the scythe for a costume. What some people will do for cardboard, a little wire, some tin-foil, and a garden stake. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 05:58:00 1996 From: tforsythe@tcmail.frco.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:37:15 -0600 Subject: Long party summary To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I know everyone wants to here about the costumes people wear to partys on Halloween so they can get ideas for next year, so here is a short (long) synopsis of our party this year. Our party turned out well, We had a small gathering of heathenfolk from the surrounding village. The party started at dusk (7:30), and was over at 12:30 (most everyone had small children at home with babysitters). We had 27 people attend, of which all but 2 were costumed. The costumes were as follows: 1. us - Windy guy with wife - knox gelatin in both our hair, so that it stuck straight back. Coat hanger in tie so that both halves of the tie were blowing stright over the shoulder. The knot was saftey pinned in place, and the lower part of the tie was saftey pinned to the shoulder. Wife wore a sun hat that had a thin long scarf attached. I used solid 12 guage wire bent in half, and sticking out of the back of the hat; attached the scarf over the wire so that it went straight back. We used double sided tape to hold the tie and scarf to the wire. I also taped my wife's hair to the bottom of the hat so that it stayed up all night. We than taped various objects to ourselves such as flattened plastic cups, newspaper, leaves, gum wrappers, straws, etc. The newspaper was wrapped around the leg sticking straight back. 2. Ace of Spades, and Hearts. They used a stiff cloth that you can find in craft stores, and made full size cards that slipped over their heads. 3. Dracula and busty lady. She bought a tee shirt with large plastic breasts that stick out the front at spencers. He wore a suit, cape, and a mask. They came seperately, and we couldn't figure out who he was for half the party. 4. M&Ms - similar to the cards. She was plain, he was peanut. 5. Mr and Mrs. clean - He had gone through chemo, so was bald. The just wore jeans and white tee shirts, and he word a large ear-ring. 6. Sherrif Billy-bob and his sweet young thing. He's about 6-6, and was dressed like a cowboy with a foil badge and dark sunglasses. She's about 5-4 and ,he wore his pajamas, his big furry slippers, and carried his teddy bear. Her hair was like pippy longstockings, and had large feckles painted on. 7. Their parents came - he as the jolly green giant and she just wore a really goofy mask. 8. serial killer on the run, and mouse - He wore a running suit with small boxes of cereal sewed on front and back. Each bos had a plastic knife stuck in the front, and each box had the cereal type "bleeding" out on the to box. She wore large mouse ears and had painted on whiskers and made her nose black. She then wore a really cute black and red outfit. 9. 60's chick - Hot pink minyskirt with fishnet stockings and black shiny gogo boots. She wore false eyelashes, blue masscara, and pink lipstick. Actually it was my sister and she dressed just like that in high school. 10. Little red riding hood and the big bad wolf. She wore a red cape, and a cute outfit underneath. She carried a small basket with a variety of paraphanelia (spelling?) including condoms and a bag of marajuana (oregeno). He and a three/four piece mask of a wolf. There was a chin peice that glued on and stick out about 3 inched from the chin. The face peice came down from the forehead to the upper lip. The peices were dark brown and black. He painted the rest of his face so well, you had to get relly close to the line between the mask and the face. He had pointed ear the stuck on top of this own. Tis was the most incredible mack I ever saw. He wore a puple grandmothers robe, and a very colorful scarf around the head that was tied in a knot at the front. He then wore slip on wolf hands. 11. bandit and nurse. She wore a nurses fock with a stethescope around the neck, He wore western clothes with a bandana around his mouth. 12. orge and witch - He wore a really cool ogre mask and carried a long plastic 2 bladed curved axe. He wore jeans and a flannel shirt, bu the shirt was ripper in shreds. She had a very nice (expensive) witches outfit with a hat that had long grey hair attached. Her dresses had large bell sleeves that had orange material with blask spider webs on the inside. She wore fake finger tips with long black finger nails. 13. Homeless man and wife. He wore old jeans and a flannel shirt with a red ball cap. He had a cardboard sign around the neck that said "Will write for food" - he's a writer. She was not dressed up, but wore a very cute punpkin vest. 14. skeleton and miss kity - There outfits were rented. He wore a skeleton body suit and a skeleton mask. She wore a pink dress with black pokadots, that had white lace on the neck and sleeves. The dress pulled down over both shoulders, and was very cute. We gave out awards for "Most Original" (Little Red and Friend), "Ghoulest Ghostume" (Ogre and Witch), and "Cutest Costume" (Busty Lady). The awards were styro gravestones spray painted with grey primer and words painted with black latex paint. They were 1" thick, and different shapes, bascially 4" wide, and 4" to 8" tall. We had another award for "Try Again", but my wife didn't have the heart to give it out. Everyone brought food and drink (one guy brought half a keg from a party the night before). We played rock and roll and danced. Most of the food was not eaten, but all of the liquor seemed to disappear appropriately. We played ZZ Top, Doors, Dave Mathews, Big Head Todd, Robin Trower, Steely Dan, Pearl Jam, Commitments, and bits of other rock and roll bands. Everything was fine until one of the guests showed up with a handful of their own CDs; sweet people though. So we listened to the makarina (spelling?) and one of those oldies CDs. I yanked it when Micheal Jackson started to sing A.B.C. Many of the guests seemed to know how to do the makarina through, and with a little practice, I must say I'm not half bad! Thankfully most of the guests kept asking me to put back in the rock and roll. No permenant damage to speak of. My wife and I really enjoyed it and most of the guests seemed to, so we plan on doing it again next year. Anyone else want to summarize their parties, so we can get even more ideas for next year. Costumes and party activities I personally find to be most interesting. Happy Halloween Happy Thanksgiving Merry Christmas Tim From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 06:52:45 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 22:35:47 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, the Winchester Mystery House is in San Jose!! I have never been there but people say that it is great. I think someone said they do a haunted house there during Halloween!!! That is the problem with doing a home haunt you are so busy you don't get time to check out other things. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 06:59:05 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Mr. Scary Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:53:35 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay Mr. Scary I tried to hook up to your URL and couldn't get in. Could you tell me the address again, I know I can't type and possibly the sight is going, so there is a margin for error here. Thank you Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 07:05:02 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 22:45:39 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, We had two boys show up at 4pm no lie!! We were still setting lights up. They had been going by everyday and wanting to know if they could help :) The on the other end, we shut everything down at 9:30 and sat down for a break. At 10pm the door knocked and a kid was TNT. I could not believe it,,,I gave him some large handfuls of candy and told him to go home!!! Kids will be kids!! As we were setting up on Sat for some pictures for the album people were stopping asking if we were going to be open that night. Isn't one night enough!!!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 07:07:46 1996 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 22:51:09 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK Greg, You got even for the east coast gang. Boy am I jealous!! I want to come and play with you!! Maybe next time!! I guess we should get a group of us North Western people together and go check out the Whinchester Mystery House or maybe the magic castle down south....any takers!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 07:09:15 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 09:57:27 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Long Winded Response to Greg (in Vista) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg (in Vista) asks: >The first part of this post is directed primarily to the veterans and people >involved in Halloween on a commercial basis, i.e., Don, Denny, Craig, Carl, >Stu. However, I would be grateful for comments from anyone on the list who >can contribute. >How do you people who depend on Halloween for a living fill the fiscal void >during the off months? I realize that, for Stu, Spencer Gifts has a >year-round customer base. For others, do you continue to sell to the >general theatrical market? >More specifically, do any of you make a living at creating and operating >haunted houses (is this you, Craig?)? If so, do you face unique fiscal >challenges during the off-months? If this is true, how do you deal with >this? Spencer gifts has been my "temporary Halloween Headquarters" the last two years. Last year, while perusing the store (the first time I'd seen a store devoted entirely to Hallo- ween), I asked about employment on a whim. It was purely accidental that I ever worked for them. I didn't need the work or extra income, but saw certain benefits in the deal (i.e.: meeting people of similar interests, garnering ideas from the more committed shoppers, passing along info and ideas, employee discount). I did it again this year for a few reasons: First, because I enjoyed my stint last year. Second, because my children are getting to the age where braces are needed and I have a new monthly bill on top of the ones that are already difficult to keep up with. Third, the ever- present employee discount (though my total purchases this year were a fraction of last year's). Now that the preamble is out of the way (won't he *ever* shut up? ;), it comes down to this: Spencer's was a lark. It was fine while it lasted, but as of right now, I don't see myself going back again for personal reasons. It was a supplement to my "real job," and I'll likely work somewhere else if necessary. I became enthralled with the idea of attending the trade show when Nathan Kahn posted the info last year. I had business cards printed up as if I owned my own company. So was born Cool Ghouls. Cool Ghouls is my way of trying to get a start in tapping an unexplored market in my area. My card says something to the effect of: "haunted attraction design consulting, publicity, and concessions for non-profit organization fundraisers." I decided to build on my exper- ience of handling these things for a local Jaycees chapter and an elementary school PTA (roughly seven total years of experience). Cool Ghouls so far has been more like a hobby than a true business (at least in the eyes of the IRS) in that I've never made a profit or even been fully reimbursed for my time, talent, experience, or expenses. I've never adver- tised, never billed a "client." If I decide to make a real go of this, I'll need to come up with a price sheet for various goods and services and "just do it." I would be thrilled to do a year-round attraction, but if I did, I would probably try to round it out with some closely related merchandise to survive the slow months. Those that know me *really* well know that I'm an inveterate procrastinator...so if and when I ever do something like this, it'll take a real commitment and not a half-hearted one. See Denny's excellent response in regards to this. If you intend to do it, immerse yourself in the endeavor. I'd love to be able to make a decent living doing something I love so much. I be- lieve that a good deal of "successful people" became successful exactly for that reason (well...other reasons too, but you might as well enjoy your life's work, right?). Learn as much as you can about owning and operating your own small business. Don't cut corners in im- portant areas that need attention for the sake of saving money. Be flexible. Work smarter, not hard- er. Know your competition. Location, location, lo- cation. Pay close attention to details. If you're unfamiliar with something, contract a professional if at all possible. Give your customers what they're looking for. Have fun. Entertain. Enough platitudes. Keep us informed of your plans and good luck! - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 07:09:55 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 09:59:54 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny replies: >The best thing you can do if you're interested in starting your own >business is to devote time EVERY DAY to doing it, no matter how tired or >busy your regular day is. That time can be as short as 15 minutes, but you >must study, plan, design, experiment, seek financing if needed, anything, >every day! NO DAYS OFF, unless you're hurt or very sick. You'll be amazed >how fast things will start coming together. If I can offer any other help >or you have any questions, drop me a line. Excellent advice, Denny. I oughta hang around you more often! ;) - Stu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 07:13:33 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:05:57 +0000 From: Dianne L Parham To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? (fwd) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It is in San Jose (near San Francisco) and also has a museum about the Winchester fortune. One legend is that the heiress felt she was haunted by the Indians who had been murdered with Winchester rifles, and thought if she created a maze in her house that they would not be able to find her. Dianne in San Diego ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 05 NOV 1996 20:27:46 EST From: Rodney G Grantham To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? Greg, The Winchester House in California seems to have aspects of 'haunted house' about. It is year-round, but I think particularly attractive at halloween. It is real, however, having been built by the Winchester heiress in the apparently mistaken belief that she would live as long as she kept adding to it. Very interesting design. Nice stained glass windows and gardens. I can't recall where in California it is. Been a while, but I found it from some brochures when doing when of my random drive vacations through California/Nevada. Rodney rodney3@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2049 On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 15:34:06 -0800 Greg Hope writes: >What I'm driving at in all this is what I have discovered in myself to >be a more serious curiosity about public haunted houses. Are there >commercial haunted houses that operate all year long? Are they economically >viable? >Do they always have a Halloween theme? Are year-round haunted houses >found only as attractions within larger theme parks, i.e. Disneyland? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 08:11:01 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:57:19 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:53 AM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >Okay Mr. Scary I tried to hook up to your URL and couldn't get in. Could you >tell me the address again, I know I can't type and possibly the sight is going, >so there is a margin for error here. >Jacqui >jacqui.young@cciw.ca > Hi Jacqui, You'll find John's pages lurking around at- Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 08:11:11 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:58:00 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Web Fluid Vehicle? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My nose indicates, and I think it was verified in a message from Denny was that the solvent in Web Shooter fluid is: TRICHLORETHYLENE [spelling?]. Has anyone tried to purchase this stuff recently? I find it unavailable in any local store. [Could they have taken it from the market - as they did its predecessor Carbon Tetrachloride?] Denny pls help... can one use anything else that's easily available to thin the liquid, and still have it function properly? Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 08:26:36 1996 From: GFerris330@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:12:52 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, In a message dated 96-11-06 09:37:25 EST, you write: << Okay where precisely in Niagara Falls are these places. I have heard of them but everyone I asked from that area had no idea where they were. >> Nightmares and the others are located within walking range of the falls. If you are standing along the road which the Falls are on ("River" or "Falls" Rd. I believe) you simply walk up Clifton Hill (the bad haunts are on Clifton). At the top of the hill, turn right onto Victoria Ave. and walk about 2 blocks to get to Nightmares (on the left). The whole area is covered with attractions, wax museums, fun houses, etc. . I can easily see how someone could miss any given one. Hope this helps, Greg in Rochester, NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 08:28:42 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:16:48 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Toward a More Useful Archive Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated text, and extraneous internet message trailers. Thus by volunteering, Don might assign say the topic: "Spark Gaps, Lightning Effects". It would then become my job, from all 1996 text, to search and condense anything related to this topic. I'd then Email it back to Don, now in condensed form for his review and posting. What do you think? Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 08:37:47 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Jim Kadel'" Subject: RE: Toward a More Useful Archive Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:29:37 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey as someone who can't help to much with the techie stuff, I'd certainly be willing to help with this aspect. Just let me know what you'd like done. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated text, and extraneous internet message trailers. Thus by volunteering, Don might assign say the topic: "Spark Gaps, Lightning Effects". It would then become my job, from all 1996 text, to search and condense anything related to this topic. I'd then Email it back to Don, now in condensed form for his review and posting. What do you think? Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 09:02:55 1996 From: ALLAN DAVID Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 11:40:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Toward a More Useful Archive To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think this is a good idea, and I'd be willing to work on a part. Maybe Don or someone could propose a list of categories and we could sign up. David dallan@dow.com - ---------- From: Jim Kadel[SMTP:JBKadel@gnn.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 6:16 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Toward a More Useful Archive After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated text, and extraneous internet message trailers. [stuff deleted] Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 09:10:01 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:53:23 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Web Fluid Vehicle? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:58 AM 11/6/96, you wrote: >My nose indicates, and I think it was verified in a message from >Denny was that the solvent in Web Shooter fluid is: >TRICHLORETHYLENE [spelling?]. Yes, the label on the can states that it is trichloroethylene. The warning label on the back should be very clear on this. >Has anyone tried to purchase this stuff recently? Yup. I just received another shipment. > I find it >unavailable in any local store. [Could they have taken it from >the market - as they did its predecessor Carbon Tetrachloride?] No, it's still sold "over the counter" to consumers along with more dangerous solvents like acetone, methylene chloride, toluene, monobutyl ether, methyl isobutyl ketone, etc. >Denny pls help... can one use anything else that's easily >available to thin the liquid, and still have it function >properly? How did the fluid get so thick it wouldn't work properly? Even if the cap is left off the can, the solvent is so heavy compared to air it doesn't really evaporate. In fact, you can "pour" the fumes from a container. Once the fluid is out of a "walled" container the solvent evaporates very quickly. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 09:12:44 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:05:05 -0500 From: KEVIN WEBSTER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Web Fluid Vehicle? -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim, I didn't try in of the tirchl... stuff, but in the archives, someone mentioned that "cold vulcanizing fluid" did the same thing. I located some at a local auto parts place (a NAPA dealer, if that helps). It was fairly cheap ($8 for 8 ozs, I think). I tried it in an under-sized webshooter, with some success. The fan on the webshooter was WAY too small, but I did get some cob-web-style stuff out of it. My next trick is to use a radiator fan from a car and see if I get bigger webs. Anyway... the point to this rambling is you might want to try some of the cold vulcanizing fluid (it's used to fix tires). Good luck... Kevin >>> Jim Kadel 11/06/96 10:58am >>> My nose indicates, and I think it was verified in a message from Denny was that the solvent in Web Shooter fluid is: TRICHLORETHYLENE [spelling?]. Has anyone tried to purchase this stuff recently? I find it unavailable in any local store. [Could they have taken it from the market - as they did its predecessor Carbon Tetrachloride?] Denny pls help... can one use anything else that's easily available to thin the liquid, and still have it function properly? Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 09:36:30 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:27:16 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >> Jim Kadel 11/06/96 11:16am >>> >>After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive >>recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage >>the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful >>archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it >>around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated >>text, and extraneous internet message trailers. A very good idea! May I offer a small suggestion in an attempt to shield our generous and diligent moderator from excessive duties? The way I see it there is no need to trouble Don with anything in the process until a particular topic is completed and ready to be submitted to the archive (and even then it may not be necessary - see my notes below). Follow me through a hypothetical example and correct me if I make any invalid assumptions. 1. All members (and any straying web surfers) have access to the entire archive on the web site (the URL for which escapes me at the moment, but it's not pertinent at this time). 2. I decide I want to compile all Halloween-L messages relating to the Pepper's Ghost illusion. (Big surprise on the topic, eh?) 3. I visit the archive and retrieve any and all required files for the project. I also send a message to the list informing members of my intent to compile messages on the chosen topic to avoid any duplication of effort by another member. (Perhaps using a subject line like "Archive Project: Pepper's Ghost") 4. At home, I blatantly neglect my spouse by burying my face in my computer monitor for hours on end performing whatever editing and compiling necessary to produce the Pepper's Ghost archive file. (Do we need a standardized format?) 5. After reviewing my work and deeming it fit to submit to the archive site, I send the file to Don who posts it on the site at his convenience. (Is there a more preferred way to submit something to the archive? Perhaps direct FTP uploading??) 6. The next person(s) to visit the archive site may then download either the complete archive, which is unaltered by this project, or the focused archive on the topic of choice. Make sense? I like the general idea, but I tend to shudder at things that require extra work on the part of a list's moderator. (And I'm not just saying that because I'm a chronic suck-up. I _am_ one, but that's not the reason here. ;) Any suggestions to my suggestions are welcome. And, as always, any or all parts of this suggestion may be vetoed or just plain ignored. :) David J. Kiihne - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 10:17:37 1996 From: Gregory Edwards Subject: Re: Milk jug skeletons To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:04:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'd like a set. Greg Edwards edwards@crl.com 41 Ventura St. Half Moon Bay, Ca 94019 thank you > > I've received some requests for directions on how to make milk jug skeletons. > These are pretty simple, _definitely_ cheap, & between 4-5 foot tall. The directions > come from either the '92 or '93 Oct. issue of Family Fun magazine. (they called it "Mr. > Bones") I keep a stack of the 1-page directions on hand because people always ask how > to make them. > Our family's only quibble with the original skeleton is that he has a dorky head > & we're going to redesign or replace it with something else this year. My 13 yr. old > says its not scary enough! They looked really good in blue neon with a black lite this > year, although I don't think I'll be using the neon painted ones outdoors in the daytime > again! They're just a little too bright for daylite use now! > I think the directions make more sense when you see the illustrations on them. > I haven't got the directions into my computer yet, so at the moment it'd be easier for > me to just mail them to people the old-fashioned way from the current stack I have. The > moment I get a decent version of the directions & illustrations (& photos) into the > computer, I'll let you know. (or if someone else does) Otherwise, anyone who is > interested, just send me your address (which, after mailing, I swear to promptly trash & > not use for nefarious purposes whatsoever) and start saving those milk jugs! The > supplies needed are 8 or 9 one-gallon milk jugs, string, scissors, a glue gun & a 1-hole > punch. (The amt. of jugs needed is not exact because different brands have different > amts. of good "surface space" available for use. You'll see...) > > karen p. > cproctor@flash.net > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 10:23:50 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:12:38 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Web Fluid Vehicle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Today Denny wrote in part, in response to my question about Trichloroethylene: ============================================================ >.. it's still sold "over the counter" to consumers along with >more dangerous solvents like acetone, methylene chloride, >toluene, monobutyl ether, methyl isobutyl ketone, etc. Could my state (VA) have banned TRICHLOROETHYLENE? I've bot it here, in hardware stores, before but haven't done so in over a year. Today, hdwe vendors don't recognize it nor is it on their shelves [I've searched many vendors]. I know it was formerly available in cans called "Tri-Chlor" [placed with the Xylene, Naptha, Toluene, and Acetone still carried in our local hdwe stores]. >How did the fluid get so thick it wouldn't work properly? It didn't. Just wanted the proper solvent on hand for cleaning the equipment, and possibly (since it was mentioned as the proper thinner) to "thin" if needed. Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 10:24:20 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:12:37 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think newer people on the list should be required to read through all the prattle and meaningless things some of us older members have posted. It builds character. ;) Denny PS. It could be time for a FAQ, available to subscribers. B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 10:53:53 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:32:38 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: photos - now what? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Here's something I haven't attempted yet so I need some expert assistance. With good instructions I can do anything! I've got a computer with a photo-size scanner so getting a photo into my own computer takes about 30 seconds. But, how to get photos out to the "real world?" This is not something I've had to try yet but I know someone can enlighten me. Got some film developed & now have a full, clear photo of the ol' milk jug skeleton, if anyone wants to check him out out. I had to laugh, hadn't noticed lately how out of proportion his arms are. They go past his knees! Sort of orangutan-like. Milk jugs do have their limitations. There's also a pic of someone down the road's simple giant pumpkin-head creature. (start w/seven foot high tree trunk...) Not real excited with the ones of our setup, maybe they'll appear sometime & maybe they won't! karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:05:08 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:38:44 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Self serving advertisement from TBD Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Denny, Can my hubby order me the web maker and fluid and not let me know!! That is what I want for Christmas. I tried pulling those darn webs around and they looked like #%^&!!! I told him I want your stuff!! So be ready for his order!! I knew I would find a way to carry Halloween over to Christmas :) Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:05:13 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:36:44 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: Jacqui Young Subject: Re: Which way? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, You don't know how much I wanted to go to the high school the next day with a black light and have every punk hold up their hands. I can tell you these kids had to be covered with BL paint from trying to steal the things in the dungeon that were tied down!! Could you see their hands glowing!! Guilty as charged. Live and Learn I guess...but we are planning on making changes for next year!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:05:22 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:32:44 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive - Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Today David Kiihne wrote in part: ================================== >Make sense? I like the general idea, but I tend to shudder at >things that require extra work on the part of a list's >moderator. Sounds OK to me. However, I didn't propose that Don be given anything more that a "management" job in the project. Management to me, means that no one will duplicate another's work. Also, that whatever "standard" is used for condensing text, Don would be the one to define it. If no standard is to be used, he should say so. Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:07:38 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive From: rodney3@juno.com (Rodney G Grantham) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:37:48 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Funny, I just posted a msg to Don about XMAS-L. I have some programs that can split the archive up into groups of about 50 messages and then create pages with an index and links to the msgs on the page. I offered to do that for XMAS-l. Halloween-l would be no more trouble. This is automated and quick. Your idea sounds good, but would take a while and might lose something. On the downside some of the SUBJECT: lines which I use to construct the index aren't all that informative sometimes. If I did the basic setup, maybe people could pick a page and adjust the indexing information to be more meaningful. XMAS-L ended up with about 24 pages of about 50 msgs each. Rodney rodney3@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2049 On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:16:48 JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) writes: >After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive >recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage >the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:24:05 1996 From: "David S. Allan" To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Web Fluid Vehicle? (resent) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:56:58 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBCBEA.6624E3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm resending this, because I didn't see it appear earlier. Sorry if it = is a duplication. DSA ---------- From: u551584[SMTP:u551584@dilbert.nam.dow.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 11:38 AM To: 'halloween-l@netcom.com' Subject: RE: Web Fluid Vehicle? I searched the Thomas Register online (http://www.thomasregister.com/) = and found a list of thirteen companies under the heading = "trichloroethylene". In addition to the list below, the Aldrich = Chemical Company sells it (cheapest grade) one liter for $18.80 or four = liters for $50.80 (cat. no. 13,312-4). My company is one of the world's = largest producers of this chemical, so send me a note if you want tank = truck or rail car quantities :-) I'm not confirming its use in Denny's web fluid (couldn't do that = anyway), nor am I recommending this chemical for any particular purpose. = Get a copy of the Material Safety Data Sheet (any seller must supply = one) and read it. Good luck. David, a chemist dallan@dow.com Suppliers of Trichloroethylene listed in Thomas Register Vulcan Chemicals, Div. Of Vulcan Materials Co. -- Birmingham, AL=20 GFS Chemicals, Inc. -- Powell, OH =20 Amax Industrial Products Div. -- Louisville, KY=20 Dow Chemical USA, Chemicals & Performance Products Group -- Midland, MI = Park May Industrial Products -- West Orange, NJ =20 Polycracker, Inc. -- Boonton, NJ=20 Alfa Aesar Johnson Matthey -- Ward Hill, MA=20 Electronic Space Products International -- Ashland, OR=20 Corco Chemical Corp. -- Fairless Hills, PA=20 Ashland Chemical Co., Div. of Ashland Oil Inc., Industrial Chemicals & = Solvents Div. -- Columbus, OH=20 Mallinckrodt, Inc. -- St. Louis, MO=20 BioGenesis Enterprises, Inc. -- Milwaukee, WI=20 Bison Corp. -- Canton, OH=20 ---------- From: Jim Kadel[SMTP:JBKadel@gnn.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 5:58 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Web Fluid Vehicle? My nose indicates, and I think it was verified in a message from=20 Denny was that the solvent in Web Shooter fluid is:=20 TRICHLORETHYLENE [spelling?]. Has anyone tried to purchase this stuff recently? I find it=20 unavailable in any local store. [Could they have taken it from=20 the market - as they did its predecessor Carbon Tetrachloride?] Denny pls help... can one use anything else that's easily=20 available to thin the liquid, and still have it function=20 properly? 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Joseph Creighton" Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:19:18 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the last exciting episode, David Kiihne wrote: } } >> Jim Kadel 11/06/96 11:16am >>> } >>After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive } >>recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage } >>the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful } >>archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it } >>around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated } >>text, and extraneous internet message trailers. } } } A very good idea! May I offer a small suggestion in an attempt to shield our } generous and diligent moderator from excessive duties? [ *snip snip* ] Not to detract from any other suggestions, ideas, or methods, but I thought I would let you all know that Nick Gloor (lurker-extrordinare on this list) and myself have already outlined, created, and tested a way to organize and make available the entire archive of articles on the web. If Don can implement it and chooses to accept this proposal, you may soon find yourselves able to peruse through an index of all articles organized (and threaded!) by subject, author, or keywords. Each index has links to various articles which are stored as individual files. Load time is reduced from the entire 3.5+ MB archive to the articles of your choice. This proposal was submitted to Don a while back, so he is aware of this option. I suspect that after Christmas, Don may find himself with enough free time to make a decision. - Joe -- "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions" -- Bill Nye the Science Guy http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP]\ Sr. Programmer, DB Support: Administrative Systems Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:40:13 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:27:32 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I just checked out Mr. Scary's site. Great graphics and some good prices. One thing...no pictures!! I know it is not a big thing, but I like to view things. I have bookmarked this site for later use!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:42:32 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 14:32:21 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:16 AM 11/6/96, you wrote: >After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive >recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage >the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful >archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it >around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated >text, and extraneous internet message trailers. Stu and I have talked about this awhile ago, it stemmed from a mention I made about redoing the archives into a FAQ. Anyway, we both agreed to bring the subject back to attention after THE day. I think he also talked to Denny about this. Denny? We are in agreement about this, it needs more time than Don obviously is able to handle, and we are both willing. BTW, Don, I'm not cutting on you, you do a great job. Editing the archives is more than any one person can handle. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:42:46 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:26:33 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: cstowell@cstone.net Subject: Re: A fellow halloween-l Virginian Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Carl, Glad you said hi! I'm just an hour away from you, over here in Bridgewater. >If you're close maybe we can collaborate. Indeed let's. Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:45:13 1996 From: "D. Joseph Creighton" Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive - Reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:33:27 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the last exciting episode, Jim Kadel wrote: } Today David Kiihne wrote in part: } ================================== } >Make sense? I like the general idea, but I tend to shudder at } >things that require extra work on the part of a list's } >moderator. } } Sounds OK to me. However, I didn't propose that Don be given } anything more that a "management" job in the project. On this: besides the fact that manually editting things is *very* labour intensive, I failed to add that the proposal we sent to Don is about as automated as we could make it: 1) a text file (much like the current archive) is the raw data 2) some code scans through it and splits it up automagically, saving it to indexed filenames 3) HTML is generated on the fly to point to those filenames 4) a master index is built up from authors, subjects, URLs referenced, and (if specified) a keyword list Using the 3.5+ MB archive in September, we ran a test and it took under 30 minutes to build the web site from scratch (and that on a machine with a fairly busy load for the afternoon). Regardless of how it's done, I hope the final solution will involve the least work for Don, making it that much more easy for him to keep it all up to date and accessible for the rest of us. - Joe -- "I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T. I mean, S-M-A-R-T!" -- Homer Simpson http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP]\ Sr. Programmer, DB Support: Administrative Systems Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:45:39 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 14:33:43 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: RE: Toward a More Useful Archive Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:29 AM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hey as someone who can't help to much with the techie stuff, I'd certainly be willing to help with this aspect. Just let me know what you'd like done. Well, how about things like recipies? Web sites? Music (oops sorry Stu, I think that one's yers). >Jacqui Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:51:04 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 14:43:42 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:27 AM 11/6/96 -0600, you wrote: >Any suggestions to my suggestions are welcome. And, as always, any or all >parts of this suggestion may be vetoed or just plain ignored. :)