> >David J. Kiihne - daveki@nebfef.com This is pretty much how I envisioned it to happen. However, to avoid duplication of work (and you may have already mentioned it), is that you should announce that you have chosen a subject to edit. I think that the Web site will have to carry both the edited and full blown versions, but ultimately the full blown version might be cut out, or restarted to save Don some space at his site. Also I think that we might be some need to discuss the format of the editing. I don't think that anyone wants to have their descriptive narratives rewritten, or eliminated. Likewise, I wouldn't want to rewrite what is already written, or be too redundant. I haven't looked in the archives lately, but I would imagine that they still contain the body of the messages, and the followups as they were originally sent. With all the included text etc... There can be alot of reduction here. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:51:28 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:39:10 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: House pictures Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone out there want to trade pictures of there house? I would post my pictures but i dont have a scanner HAVE A NICE DAY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:54:33 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:44:47 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Wheather Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone have trouble decorating there house because of the weather. I start the last week in sept and finish the week before halloween. My biggest problems are 1.the reaper always gets blown over 2.wind blows constalks all over my neighborhood 3. i have to cover all my dummies heads with bags whenever it rains which is a problem because i have about 27 heads to cover and it rains about once a week every week till halloween What are any of your problems and how do you solve them? thanks in advance!! and HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 11:54:59 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 14:47:20 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:12 PM 11/6/96 -0600, you wrote: > > I think newer people on the list should be required to read through all the >prattle and meaningless things some of us older members have posted. It >builds character. ;) > >Denny >PS. >It could be time for a FAQ, available to subscribers. This sounds like a comment that I said to Stu, that all new subscribers should have the archives, or at least an abbreviated FAQ sent to them upon signing up for the list. majordomo says "read this" I was sorta kidding about the first part, but not the second. Anyway, another topic of discussion that needs to occur before we blindly act. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:00:51 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:50:09 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: WALL covering? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com this year at frezattas halloween corner i saw this latex rock covering for walls it looks just like the brick youd see on an old meidevil castle and at a local haunted house they had this latex type covering over the walls but this stuff was just bones and skulls on the wall i thinks its a neat 3-d effect does anybody know where you can order this stuff? thank you and HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:07:17 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:54:54 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Mail orderand web pages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What are the best mail order books and the best weg pages to order stuff from?Please list the address or phone number too Thanks in advance and have a nice DAY O O ) \____/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:12:27 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos - now what? From: rodney3@juno.com (Rodney G Grantham) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:56:42 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The photo is saved as either a .jpg or .gif, probably. You can mail this file to someone as an attachment and they will then have the picture. (Unless they are using something like JUNO which doesn't process attachments). On your e-mail if there is an attachment section, just type in the file name (including directory information). If you send it to someone with a Web Page, they could post it. I will put it on mine if you send the photo to me at my AT&T address: rodney@worldnet.att.net. But I think you had several prior offers. Rodney rodney3@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2049 On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:32:38 -0800 The Proctors writes: > But, how to get photos out to the "real >world?" This is not >something I've had to try yet but I know someone can enlighten me. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:13:57 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:02:46 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Rodney Grantham writes in part: ======================================== >This is automated and quick. Your idea sounds good, but would >take a while and might lose something. I'm all for automation (my haunt proof enough) but it has to accomplish what's intended. My problem with the archives is that there is too much repeated text (prior quotes). This may be necessary on the List, but in the archives each "thread" would be collected - no reason to repeat words here. Will your system remove repeated text? >On the downside some of the SUBJECT: lines which I use to >construct the index aren't all that informative sometimes. Yes, another advantage for having an individual filter and collect related "threads". Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:18:28 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:05:07 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Last post for today Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry to bother everyone with so many questions but for the longest time i could find anyone to talk with about Decorating houses with.I mean my freinds like it and everything but i cant ask them because the best answer ill get is that would be cool.Im just excited because ive finally found ppl to discuss halloween with.Im new here so please dont be mad if i post alot of questions PS how much time does everyone spend preparing and decorating? Im 19 so when school is out i start going to yard sales and stuff to get odds and ends . I start making new stuff in July and work on it about twice a week till the end of september. Once that time comes i work everday after school till my yard is done. Well thanks everyone for putting up with me . ^ ^ 0 0 ) \___/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:20:58 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:02:55 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Proctors wrote: > >And when they get older, > there is _never_ a parent escort! A neighbor kid & his little brother came to the door > t-or-t'ing 2 yrs. ago & the older one carried a beeper so his parents could tell them > when to come home! My neigbor told me that when her 11 year old son wanted her not to escort him trick or treating, She told him,"When your'e too old to have me go with you, you're too old to go." -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:26:46 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:10:54 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Web Fluid Vehicle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:12 PM 11/6/96, you wrote: >Today Denny wrote in part, in response to my question about >Trichloroethylene: >============================================================ >>.. it's still sold "over the counter" to consumers along with >>more dangerous solvents like acetone, methylene chloride, >>toluene, monobutyl ether, methyl isobutyl ketone, etc. > >Could my state (VA) have banned TRICHLOROETHYLENE? And still sell acetone or lacquer thinner? I doubt it. It's found in many consumer and commercially available adhesives, tire repair cements, plastic plumbing cements, paints, vulcanizing fluids, some makeup products, etc. They could have banned bulk sales to consumers. The main problem with an all out ban is the fact that there are almost no other chlorinated solvents that are safer. Trichloroethane is good but it's flammable. As of July '96 no mention of VA. is made in the MSDS as a state with a "right to know" about health or environmental impact. Other states that do require a "right to know" have not banned trichloroethylene either in bulk or in products. The choices then are flammable solvents with similar or worse toxicity, higher environmental impact and the added hazards of fire. You may have trouble finding it because it costs two or three times as much as flammable solvents and weighs much more (twice as much as heptane) per gallon, making shipping costs high. It's why one company gave up trying to sell "safe" non-flammable rubber cement for home and office use and went back to the good ol' flammable stuff that uses light naphtha and/or heptane. Added liability insurance for accidental fires was cheaper than shipping and material costs. The day is coming that all of the solvents we've mentioned will be outlawed... but take heart, you'll still be able to buy amazingly caustic and poisonous stuff like laundry bleach, lye, cigarettes and Twinkies at the grocery store. >>How did the fluid get so thick it wouldn't work properly? > >It didn't. Just wanted the proper solvent on hand for cleaning >the equipment... You can use just about any type of solvent to clean the Shooter. Mineral spirits works well with proper regards to its' flammability. I just clean the threads and inside of the can of my Shooter well with dry paper towels, the small amount that will dry in the container doesn't seem to hurt anything. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:39:05 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:25:58 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: dallan@dow.com Subject: Re: Web Fluid Vehicle (resent) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David, I appreciate your constructive input as to suppliers of trichloroethylene. Am still investigating why it's not available at local hdwe stores. Strange, the changes that I've seen after hunting locally for this stuff. Chemical ingredients are no longer clearly listed on the label. A general statement like "contains petroleum distillates" is what you find instead. Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:39:25 1996 From: qoe@sna.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:25:51 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Request for Milk jug skeleton Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I can't remember who offered to send these directions. Please email me. I'd like to send you a SASE to save you a little money. :-) __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:40:06 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 15:24:22 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: WALL covering? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just asking out of curiosity... >this year at frezattas halloween corner... I'm wondering if the spelling should be Frazetta's (as in fantasy artist Frank Frazetta), and if you're anywhere near Stroudsburg, PA. Frazetta has a museum there of his paintings (one of which I believe was sold at Sotheby's a couple of years ago for around $100K). A lot of his subject matter over the years has included imagery such as what you talked about... - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 12:54:25 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply From: rodney3@juno.com (Rodney G Grantham) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:31:56 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Great minds and all that!! Funny how we all came up with similar notions of organizing this stuff in various ways. Though you appear to have taken the lead in thinking of it. Is this setup automated? Presumably or it would be a nuisance. I'd not thought of indexing the whole thing. Splitting into individual msgs on a single page seems like it would be time consuming for someone who just wants to scan through the whole thing. Grouping some subset on a single page would give the option of just reading through if one chose without too much retrieval. Still could be supported by the indexing if set labels within the page and linked to those. A little more complex, but not a whole lot. Though I guess the pages would be pretty small and fast to read in. If there was a way to determine which ones to read to get a sequential perusal. (Or at least non-repetitious.) Rodney rodney3@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2049 On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:19:18 -0600 (CST) "D. Joseph Creighton" writes: > have already outlined, created, and tested a way to >organize and make available the entire archive of articles on the web. > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:03:38 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:44:50 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Web Fluid Vehicle? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:56 PM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >I searched the Thomas Register online (http://www.thomasregister.com/) and found a list of thirteen companies under the heading "trichloroethylene". In addition to the list below, the Aldrich Chemical Company sells it (cheapest grade) one liter for $18.80 or four liters for $50.80 (cat. no. 13,312-4). My company is one of the world's largest producers of this chemical, so send me a note if you want tank truck or rail car quantities :-) > >I'm not confirming its use in Denny's web fluid (couldn't do that anyway), nor am I recommending this chemical for any particular purpose. Get a copy of the Material Safety Data Sheet (any seller must supply one) and read it. > >Good luck. Hey David, The label clearly states that it is trichloroethylene (man, I'm gettin' tired of typing that word) and an MSDS is available. Denny PS. Send a tanker, I'll store it in my neighbors swimming pool. Will I need a Hazmat sign to warn potential swimmers? ;) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:05:26 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 15:46:48 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Web Fluid Vehicle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, >The day is coming that all of the solvents we've mentioned will be >outlawed... but take heart, you'll still be able to buy amazingly caustic >and poisonous stuff like laundry bleach, lye, cigarettes and Twinkies at >the grocery store. Don't forget the highly flammable (and often quite scary) toaster pastry - Pop Tarts! Justmessinwidya, - Evil Doc From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:08:31 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:53:54 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween hi-schoolers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > Jacqui, > You don't know how much I wanted to go to the high school the next day > with a black light and have every punk hold up their hands. I can tell > you these kids had to be covered with BL paint from trying to steal the > things in the dungeon that were tied down!! Could you see their hands > glowing!! Guilty as charged. Live and Learn I guess...but we are > planning on making changes for next year!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Since I also raved about bratty kids in the neighborhood, I must also say they are not the only kids in town. May I mention an idea for towns with bored, (but possibly good-intentioned) hi-schoolers at Halloween? One of our sr. high schools (11-12 grades only), Plano East Sr. Hi, had a Pal-O-Ween on Halloween nite. This is like the ol' Mall-O-Ween concept except run by the Peer Assisted Ldrshp group, I think. They had the hi school open for 2-3 hrs. on Halloween nite for small kids to come TRT door-to-door. (The students acted like each classrm door was a house) It was a service project. We didn't go but I thought it was a good idea for a different kind of service project. That way, they could dress up, etc. if they wanted to, and still be involved in the holiday. It was totally free. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:11:32 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:51:57 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mail orderand web pages Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:54 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >What are the best mail order books and the best weg pages to order stuff >from?Please list the address or phone number too Thanks in advance >and have a nice DAY > O O There are only four worth dealing with- Mr. Scary Productions, Harlequin Costume, Theatre Effects and my favorite... Terror By Design. ;) If they don't subscribe to this list and don't participate, don't deal with them. :) Brought to you by: Denny's slightly slanted views From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:23:35 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:08:58 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Scary Facts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug wrote: < << We're going to grow along with the rest of the 'net, of course. >> Doug, That thought sent chills down my spine...the prospect of diluting this list of incredibly creative and talented folks with a multitude of netsurfers/band wagoners who also want to *decorate* on Halloween like the guy next door...using all the *cutesy* stuff as Harry put it, is truly frightening! While there is a place (???) for all that *stuff* (and obviously also a market!) I am here to learn to create effects...not go out and buy a prepackaged Haunt. I am lucky to have artistic ability, which unfortunately has pretty much gone to waste over the past number of years...so it's been incredibly stimulating and fun to be around all you creative types! I have more projects I want to complete by next Halloween than I can possibly ever do!!! I love this list - not just for all the fabulous ideas, but I've also derived immense pleasure from *meeting* such creative and talented people all in one place! I enjoy the discussions (banter), the reviews, the sarcasm and decidedly grisly humor (just look how all you ghouls cackled at the terror you caused all those adorable little children ;D) but the overall friendliness and willingness to freely share these ideas and projects with relative strangers is truly amazing to me. Take this scenario, for example: Three or four people in a Halloween store discussing a project such as Trash Can Trauma or Axworthy's Outdoor Flying Ghost. Newcomer to store overhears conversation and casually approaches group. "Excuse me...I'd love to build one of those, too. Would you mind giving me detailed instructions, too?" Yeah, right... (maybe I've lived in LA too long!) I do hope this list continues to grow - (= more talent and ideas, projects etc. for next year!) - just shuddered at the prospect of losing the *quality* to the masses...... Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:31:38 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:09:07 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Kathy, It sounds like yours was fantastic! Think I'll *borrow* a few of your ideas for our haunt next year! Like ours, yours required real live humans to interact - how did you enlist so many helpers!!?? I was a little uncertain as to what kind of turnout we would have here - we've never actually been home on Halloween in the four years we've lived here. Last two we did the Haunted House at school - and previous two we went back to our old neighborhood (an entire street behind ours did Halloween big time - including a flying ghost set up to go across the street, from one rooftop to another). So I printed up flyers and took them to the afternoon school Halloween parade inviting them to come to Haunted Hollow Cemetery. Also, our street has no sidewalks and most of the properties are gated (most of them closed on Halloween-boo, hiss) and houses are set way back (translation-long walks for little kids!) so we didn't know what to expect!!! Our house is also set back, but with my sign over the gate entrance and a "Halloween Haunt Here" sign down on the fence with black/orange balloons, we were able to attract a pretty decent turnout (8 lbs of candy's worth!) Our version of Scott Axworthy's flying ghost ran well all night and was the biggest hit of our haunted graveyard - many of the adults accompanying their kids felt compelled to come up and compliment us ...which was very rewarding. However, here I go off again on the jaded folks who live in LA (can anyone tell I don't like it much here???) and the majority of our visitors were teenagers ("oh, reeeaaaallllly scary....so is this all there is??" or "So where is the haunted house??") We were also really surprised at the number of people who started in our front door behind the mummy's draped curtain....guess it looked inviting.... Our haunted graveyard included: Howling wind, moaning ghosts, thunder/lightning audio tape running 12' arched Haunted Hollow Cemetery sign above gate with bloody type lettering, giant skull in center looking down & Skull/Axe posts on each end Assorted signs up driveway (Enter at your own risk, Beware, Witches Woods, Tomb Town, Corpse Condos..) 13 assorted headstones (Here lies my wife ... the most popular) One grisly looking head and moving hand coming out of the ground in front of I.M. Ullive headstone Dead Grim Reaper (is this possible???) Talking skull (not working :( suspended in black styro box) Flying ghost over graveyard under black lite Hanged Pirate Skeleton dangling in graveyard tree Haunted House under black lite set up with assorted ghoulish skeletons, hand writing "help me" in window openings. Witch/skeleton standing in front of Haunted house dangling a rat over cauldron filled with assorted body parts Giant spider dangling from tree on pulley system Upright vampire coffin (my humble abode) under tree surrounded with assorted bats, snakes, etc.- sign-Do Not Awaken, etc. Full size mummy standing on porch behind shredded sheet/curtain While this was all great stuff to look at, the unfortunate part is that the people (friends AND family) who had agreed to come and help us scare the little darlings ended up all cancelling for one reason or another (sigh). We had even eliminated many of the scenes used in our school Haunted House because they required real people. So much for relying on live actors...so the following were static this year :( Mummy (actor draped in black fabric stands behind large fake looking mummy with arms folded across chest) The kids poke and prod and say how fake....until the mummy's hands suddenly reach out and grab at the unsuspecting little buggers....(Stu, this one works without having to hold your breath!!) Giant Spider (set up on pulley system) in tree to be *dropped* on unsuspecting ghouls! Also set up to *spit* confetti string down driveway.. Frightening looking wolf-type animal/human thing hiding in bushes in Witches Woods, jumping out at appropriate moment... (this was actually my husband's costume...he was just too burned out to do it!) Our cardboard haunted house (8x8') looks good, but needs something animated happening. At the school we had a real witch (no pun) working it, inviting the little kiddies inside for dinner. (Would you like to come to dinner...or, eh, ... would you like to BE dinner!!!! ) Maybe next year we can animate the skeleton/witch somehow... Oh well, there's always next year to IMPROVE it....thanks to this list, I have a ton of new projects to work on...you can be sure many of them will not require human (inhuman???) participation... I also have tons of respect for all of you who are doing this outdoors year after year in REAL weather. Thanks again for all the great ideas everyone... Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:32:24 1996 From: "David S. Allan" To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Tesla Coil? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:13:33 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBCBFD.75FE8700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone on the list built a Tesla coil? I have found links to Tesla = coil building pages, but I'd like to find out from one of my list = acquaintances if building a coil is difficult. Are they dangerous? (I = guess the primary is dangerous. How about the discharge?) Would a coil = be feasible in an outdoor display themed on a mad scientist (a la = Frankenstein) laboratory? Is there something better for lightning or = electrifying effects? (I already have a Jacob's ladder, fully enclosed, = but I'd like more.) Thanks. 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I know the feeling. All our friends think we're just a *little* bit weird, although they always enjoy the results and the party! And yes, some DO help out - a lot! We just figure "Ain't it great to be crazy?!?" > PS how much time does everyone spend preparing and decorating? > Im 19 so when school is out i start going to yard sales and stuff to get > odds and ends . I start making new stuff in July and work on it about > twice a week till the end of september. Once that time comes i work > everday after school till my yard is done. Well, let's see; about 355 days left, so allowing for terminal procrastination, I'll talk, think, and plan for about 300 days, then start REALLY making plans the beginning of September, building the beginning of October, and going into severe panic about the 18'th, with the Party a week off! Dave ps: Y'all got a first name? I hate to think of someone as a ready-to-burst bubble! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:34:31 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:09:21 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: No mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny said: > > At 04:22 PM 11/5/96 -0800, you wrote: > >My provider's mail server was down today starting at about 9:00 am PST. > >Did I miss anything? > >Bob Andrews > > Dang Bob, only the wildest party I've ever seen and that includes some darn > good times at Bubba's Honda Drop years back. Great. I spent most of yesterday reading "Error with Pop3 server. Contact your provider". > > You've gotta get pictures of your graveyard fence on a web site (I'll put > 'em on my customer page if you don't mind) so people on this list can see > the really fantastic work you did. > Folks, calling it a fence is a gross understatement! Thanks! I'll send them to anyone who emails me. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:45:44 1996 From: "D. Joseph Creighton" Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com ("The Hallowe'en-ies") Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:26:40 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the last exciting episode, Rodney G Grantham wrote: } Though I guess the pages would be pretty small and fast to read in. If } there was a way to determine which ones to read to get a sequential } perusal. (Or at least non-repetitious.) Since the archive is (for the most part) a sequetial record of articles as they were saved, everything is just as nicely stored on the web pages: if you found an article thread on dry ice, you could read it, back out of that page, and then simply choose the next link with the same subject to get the next article. The flaw in this appears when people manually change the subject line. Nick has handled instances of "-reply", "re:", and others to keep good subject threading as much as possible, but no system will ever be perfect. Unless you want to do it all by hand? :) - Joe -- "You think I'm a newbie, but I'm a veteran aol user!" -- IRC/AOL veteran http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP]\ Sr. Programmer, DB Support: Administrative Systems Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 13:45:53 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:35:30 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: November through September? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > My bread and butter for most of the year is as a self employed Mechanical Engineer that does early product development, much of it for the toy > industry. Boy, you wouldn't happen to need an excellent electrical engineer would you? Actually, we recently relocated to Alliance Nebraska, where my husband is frantically trying to set up an electrical engineering firm which serves the building and utility industry. We're having some luck, but people out here aren't used to engineers and don't have much use for "those college types." It's great that you are able to pursue something you love (seasonally or otherwise) and stay busy the rest of the year besides. Can't wait till we get settled into something like that ourselves. But if you ever find yourself needing an electrical engineer.... Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:10:48 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 16:55:38 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Scary Facts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jeanni sez: >Take this scenario, for example: >Three or four people in a Halloween store discussing a project such as >Trash Can Trauma or Axworthy's Outdoor Flying Ghost. Newcomer to store >overhears conversation and casually approaches group. "Excuse me...I'd >love to build one of those, too. Would you mind giving me detailed >instructions, too?" This was a reality at the Spencer's where I worked this year. Only it was the Pepper's Ghost concept and not the Trash Can Trauma or the Scott Axworthy Outdoor Flying Ghost and Bicycle Rim Recycler...I gathered a small group quite by accident and ended up describing the effect to about 6 or 8 people when I originally started with one. I forgot to swear them to secrecy though... ;) Oh...and I also made sure to give the ones who were *really* devoted to Halloween the info to subscribe to halloween-l... - Stu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:26:02 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > I think newer people on the list should be required to read through all the > prattle and meaningless things some of us older members have posted. It > builds character. ;) Heh heh.... Why I remember reading news/mail with vi, but all I'd say it gave me was a stronger set of glasses... :) No question something needs to be done with the archives to make them easier to access/read. I like the idea of a search engine, and I like the idea of mini-faq's, so.... A company called referance.com offered to archive everything for us, (check them out at http://www.referance.com) that's one option. Another is to setup a search engine here at calweb (I'm looking into it) > It could be time for a FAQ, available to subscribers. Both Stu and Doug have offered to help write a FAQ, Denny, I think your right, it is time. You guys still interested? don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:27:10 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 05:21:24 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wheather Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com 1. Put a stake in the back of the grim reaper and drive it farther into the ground. That is what we did this year with our scarecrow and he held up. 2. We went to the local pumpkin patch and I noticed that their cornstalks were standing nice and straight. So I, being a Halloween type of person, went over and checked it out. They have two pieces of thin rope. One was about one foot off the ground and the other about four feet off the ground. Then they took the first stalk and wove it behing the top rope and in front of the bottom rope. Then the next stalk they did the opposite!! We copied it and they are still standing. 3. Sorry no solutions for this one. We don't put any of our heads out until Halloween and then they are under a tarp. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:31:50 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 05:26:30 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos - now what? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK!! I have lost track of who has posted their photos to their own list or to the archives. If people would not mind posting if they have pictures from their haunts on their home page with their URL, I would greatly apprecate it. I have no home page nor scanner so I can't offer any of mine :( Maybe next year. I would love to see all yours though, so let me know if you have!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:33:00 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:21:21 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: << I guess we should get a group of us North Western people together and go check out the Whinchester Mystery House or maybe the magic castle down south....any takers!!! Kathy >> Kathy- I would definitely be interested in either one! I've been to the Winchester House (many moons ago) and would love to go again, plus check out any other spooky places up north. Someone mentioned a Haunted Train ride somewhere near Sacramento that sounded like fun, too. Anyone know or remember where that was?? As for the Magic Castle in LA - it is by invitation only. You have to be a guest of a member to get in. HOWEVER, several years ago I hired a magician for my son's birthday who is a Magic Castle performer and member. He gave us passes back then, but we've subsequently hired him for several other engagements (company picnic, last year's Haunted House and Magic Show at the school, etc.) and each time he offers us guest passes, and has told me to call him anytime I'd like to go (passes does not mean free however). He usually works the Magic Castle the week preceeding Halloween, so if anyone wanted to plan on that for next year..I'd be happy to try to coordinate it. What about a group of us (with our ghoulish guide, Harry) also checking out Knott's Scary Farm??? How about that - born and raised in Los Angeles and I've never been to either one!!! Jeanni P.S. This is a grand ASSumption on my part that Harry would want to join us! Harry?? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:38:02 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 05:33:05 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Last post for today Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, No one minds a lot of questions!! That is what the list if for. To help each other is our goal. For 19 it sounds like you build a pretty good Haunted yard. Make sure you read the archives, I know you are reading about how big they are, but it is worth wading through. As for how much we all spend on our decorations that is different with each person. Some of the people on the list help run public haunts and others decorate their homes. So it changes, I spent way to much to put in print :) but if I do it again I will have to get a real job :) By the way, what is your name??? Or did I miss it :) Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:43:52 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:33:22 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jeanni: JeanniSkip@aol.com writes: > ...much deleted... > > Our version of Scott Axworthy's flying ghost ran well all night and was the > biggest hit of our haunted graveyard - many of the adults accompanying their > kids felt compelled to come up and compliment us ...which was very rewarding. > I'm glad it worked for you! As I mentioned before, no matter what else I do, the ghost is always the favorite. I think I could bring back someone from the dead and they would still talk about the damn ghost! "Oh well, might as well give them what they want."** Maybe I'll give up and just make flying ghosts everywhere! -Scott (** Jack Skellington) -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:44:39 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:34:04 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > > The Proctors wrote: > > > >And when they get older, > > there is _never_ a parent escort! A neighbor kid & his little brother came to the door > > t-or-t'ing 2 yrs. ago & the older one carried a beeper so his parents could tell them > > when to come home! > > My neigbor told me that when her 11 year old son wanted her not to > escort him trick or treating, She told him,"When your'e too old to have > me go with you, you're too old to go." > > -- > Bob Andrews > bandrews@inreach.com > http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews Bob, that is just so perfect!!! I love it. karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:48:41 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:33:07 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Web Fluid Vehicle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:46 PM 11/6/96 EST, you wrote: >Denny, > >>The day is coming that all of the solvents we've mentioned will be >>outlawed... but take heart, you'll still be able to buy amazingly caustic >>and poisonous stuff like laundry bleach, lye, cigarettes and Twinkies at >>the grocery store. > > Don't forget the highly flammable (and often quite scary) > toaster pastry - Pop Tarts! > Amen, Brother Stu. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:49:09 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 05:43:11 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween hi-schoolers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Ghouls, As for the high school kids we were thinking of going to the drama and art depts next year and see if we could use them to make sets and act in the parts. That way they can take part and help, and maybe that would keep the rest of the brat pack away....I don't know, it is just something we are kicking around. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:52:30 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive From: rodney3@juno.com (Rodney G Grantham) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:09:38 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > My problem with the archives is >that there is too much repeated text (prior quotes). This may >be necessary on the List, but in the archives each "thread" >would be collected - no reason to repeat words here. Will your >system remove repeated text? Nope. There are also msgs which simply aren't of lasting interest, e.g., "Somebody uns*bscribe me, please " junk. OTOH, having the indexing simplifies finding relevant items to the extent that the subject lines adequately describe it. And can be done quickly. Perhaps the index for short term, then the culling process. The indexing by keywords someone says the can do would be even better. >Yes, another advantage for having an individual filter and >collect related "threads". True. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:57:51 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 17:42:52 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Don asks: >Both Stu and Doug have offered to help write a FAQ, Denny, I think your right, >it is time. You guys still interested? Yup. The offer still stands... - Stu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:03 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: Tesla Coil? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:48:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David: Tesla coils have long been a favorite of mine. A friend had one (long ago) that stood about 4 feet high. It was a large cone shape and looked impressive turned off even. When on, it was incredible! 3 - 4 foot sparks eminating from the top ball. The smell of ozone in the air. Unfortunately, they are very dangerous. High frequency, high voltage. Doesn't mix well with humans. Actually if you want to get nit picky, it can be quite safe with humans under the right circumstances. Way back at Expo 74 in Spokane, WA, they had the "Million Volt Demonstration." An even bigger tesla coil than my friends, the size of a 55 gallon drum as the primarly coil. This one generated 4 - 5 foot sparks as I recall. A person would stand on top of the drum and they would light it up! I believe the high frequency high voltage stay on the surface of the skin. Hair stands on end, sparks dance off their finger tips, very impressive. The subject would get rather warm as I recall. The key to being able to do this would be to remove all metal objects such as coins and keys in pockets, rings, jewelry, etc. If these were on your person they would cause severe burns and shock potential. Another key is that they had to be insulated from ground. You don't want to turn the person into a conduit. So any innocent bystanders that could get near the device would be in danger of severe shock. It also causes some severe RF interference for some distance. Doable, but not very practical. Tesla really had some cool ideas! -Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 15:01:21 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 05:55:32 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Jeanni, Thanks for taking some of my ideas, I feel like I gave something back!!I loved the parents thanking me and all the kids coming around saying we were the best. Last year we had one group of kids come back after a couple of hours and tell us we were voted best haunted house!! They gave us candy!! It all makes it worth while. As for the live actors we use family and friends and make them owe us during the year. My hubby says I am like the Mafia in the Godfather!! I will do you a favor but someday I will need the favor returned :) They all run when they see me coming about Sept 1!!! One thing we did learn over the last few years was to only plan rooms that could work without a human being. So that way when someone cancels then you just put in a stuffed body and run with it. This saves a lot of hassle!! I always say, and I did this year also, that I am not going to do anything but tape the gang and take photos!! HaHa this year I ran kids through the house, made sure candy was kept full, Kept new batts in battery operated lights and played gofer!!! Yes, this is all worth it. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 15:01:28 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:51:38 -0800 From: DSparks@ligand.com (Doug Sparks) Subject: Re[2]: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think that would be a great idea. After 17 years up there I never visited the Magic Castle. I did however spend a couple of Halloween nights of my youth in Knotts Scary Farm. I am down in San Diego, so it would be real easy to go, and I am sure Greg and Brenda might have an interest in going also! Oooooo, a tour of Southern Cal haunts, what a devilish idea! Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com p.s. Side topic, Do we have a listing of names and email addresses of Halloween-l members. I would be happy to put up a web site listing all of the year-longers :) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Author: JeanniSkip@aol.com at Gateway2 Date: 11/6/96 5:21 PM As for the Magic Castle in LA - it is by invitation only. You have to be a guest of a member to get in. HOWEVER, several years ago I hired a magician for my son's birthday who is a Magic Castle performer and member. He gave us passes back then, but we've subsequently hired him for several other engagements (company picnic, last year's Haunted House and Magic Show at the school, etc.) and each time he offers us guest passes, and has told me to call him anytime I'd like to go (passes does not mean free however). He usually works the Magic Castle the week preceeding Halloween, so if anyone wanted to plan on that for next year..I'd be happy to try to coordinate it. What about a group of us (with our ghoulish guide, Harry) also checking out Knott's Scary Farm??? How about that - born and raised in Los Angeles and I've never been to either one!!! Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 15:28:58 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 06:21:00 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug, What a great idea to have email addresses to all!! That way when you want to ask a dumb question, yes I know I ask most of those, you can do it one on one instead of out where you all can see it :) As for the down south trip if we all work together, us up here working out how to get down there, and you down there working out how to get us in!!! This could be great fun. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com ( that is my email address for your listing!! Kathy Marcrum is the name!) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 15:32:59 1996 From: R4M2J1@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:20:59 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Trash can trauma trouble turns to Tombstone Terror Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well everything is down and packed away. The Outdoor flying ghost performed great (only two minor crashes at the end of the night.) I had a bigger problem with the trash can trauma project. I just couldn't get the spacing of the lid - mask right. Come to find out my trash can lid was the wrong size. It wasn't a total loss I salvaged the guts and put them into a monument /tombstone I made. Basically it's a wood frame surrounded with styrofoam and painted to look like granite. I mounted a skull (Wal-Mart) and skeleton hand to the TCT guts. When activated the skull would fly up and knock open the lid of the monument / tombstone this worked great because people were up close reading the tombstone , which read R.I.P. with the words I WILL NOT airbrushed in red above it. The skull has a hinged jaw that really rattled when the cylinder was activated. Scared the *#&! out of most everyone who walked by . Got some people twice even though they knew it was coming. I hope to have pictures soon if anyone is interested. Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 16:08:26 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:44:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Linda Bills Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I think newer people on the list should be required to read through all the >prattle and meaningless things some of us older members have posted. It >builds character. ;) > ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! No no anything but that...gasp.... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 16:11:26 1996 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 17:49:21 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: robdoc@startribune.com (Robyn Dochterman) Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jeanni wrote: >Giant Spider (set up on pulley system) in tree to be *dropped* on >unsuspecting ghouls! Which reminds me...at my party, which went quite well, I kept wishing I'd rigged little spiders to come down from the ceiling when triggered by a remote. Of course, I don't know how to do this, but I think it would be way cool. Anybody already done this? Anybody have any ideas how to rig it? Thanks. --Robyn Robyn Dochterman Interactive editor Star Tribune Online Robdoc@startribune.com http://www.startribune.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 17:11:25 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 19:40:46 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tesla Coil? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com While reading Scott Axworthy's msg on the Tesla Coil, I felt a need to add "two cents" more: --------------------------------------------------------------- >I believe the high frequency high voltage stay on the surface >of the skin. Hair stands on end.. Yes, that is correct, the secondary coil's high frequency voltage [even though in the millions of volts] should not electrically shock the heart, other internal organs, etc. It is usually safe to allow sparks from this coil to touch the human skin [with appropriate "mind blowing" effect]. However.. the problem is that the Tesla Coil is a transformer, it has TWO coils, a primary and secondary. The primary coil carries "dangerous deadly" current. It's (just) thousands of volts but at a frequency and current level that can easily kill. So, the same precautions exist for the primary coil of a Tesla Coil as for Jacob's Ladders. >The smell of ozone in the air. Not to scare anyone [who am I kidding] away from Tesla Coils, but for added information: I suffered a collapsed lung (only once in my life - unusual) and it occurred during the time that I had built a five foot secondary coil length Tesla Coil. I was so impressed with the spark length (over 12 inches long) that I ran it often, and probably breathed too much ozone. Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 17:28:57 1996 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:07:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Robyn: Robyn Dochterman writes: > ...some deleted... > > Which reminds me...at my party, which went quite well, I kept wishing I'd > rigged little spiders to come down from the ceiling when triggered by a > remote. Of course, I don't know how to do this, but I think it would be way > cool. > > Anybody already done this? Anybody have any ideas how to rig it? > Been there, done that! I did it this year for my party. I went to a local novelty manufacturer (Ace Novelty) and bought bags o' spiders. These are the kind you see in typical stores, small plastic things, that typically cost about a $1 for 20 or so of the beasts. At the novelty store, I bought them by the gross for about $3.50ish. I bought about 6 bags and started by putting them all over the floor in my rec room. Looks pretty creepy, if you could get a few to move it would really do people in. I too, wanted to be able to trigger spiders to come down and thought of a method after seeing Nathan's catalog (Theatre FX - www.theatrefx.com). There is a whole industry that produces balloon stuff and one of the things they are doing is pyrotechnically exploding balloons. I was doing some automated pyro stuff anyway and thought I could extend it to exploding a few balloons. I then took balloons and blew them up a bit to stretch them out. I let the air out and started stuffing spiders into the balloon. You would be amazed how many spiders you can stuff in a balloon. I then blew them up and you could not tell there was anything different from regular balloons. I put these up in pairs with the pyro squib in between. I had three sets in the rec room and three sets outside. The squibs were electrically controlled from a computer (that also did some lights and fog). It was supposed to be orchestratable (if thats a word) to have lights do things, fog go, and then boom, boom, boom, spiders exploding out from the ceiling. While it worked, the effect was not as I hoped. It was a lot of work and it didn't do very much. My neighbor was standing under one when it went off and was covered with spiders, freaked her out - it made the whole thing worth while. I imagine something lower tech that is triggered at the right moment would have a much more bang for the buck. -Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 17:29:48 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:54:43 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Virus Alert Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All, I am sorry, I know this posting is not in context with the list. I just received this from our MIS department and thought everyone might be interested. Subject: VIRUS ALERT : IRINA Author: Zaldy Santos at AILMAKATI-PHIL Date: 11/4/96 12:02 PM This is another virus that is out on the Internet. Be cautious of any email you get that is out of the ordinary or you don't know who/where it came from. If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT read the message. DELETE it immediately. If you receive this mail or file, do not download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Steve Kirkman Mufasa1023@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 17:33:02 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 18:08:59 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill Lewis wrote: > This sounds like a comment that I said to Stu, that all new subscribers > should have the archives, or at least an abbreviated FAQ sent to them upon > signing up for the list. majordomo says "read this" I'd really like something like this, as I have had a great deal of difficulty pulling the archive up. I finally got about 39% loaded, but it took several hours. I'd sure be willing to work on breaking the anchovies into bite size pieces--they're my favorite. Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 17:37:19 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 19:05:23 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:15 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >Both Stu and Doug have offered to help write a FAQ, Denny, I think your right, >it is time. You guys still interested? I'm still in. :) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 17:42:55 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 18:18:19 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Scary Facts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JeanniSkip@aol.com wrote: > ...so it's been > incredibly stimulating and fun to be around all you creative types! I have > more projects I want to complete by next Halloween than I can possibly ever > do!!! Ditto. Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 18:47:27 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:15:12 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Freya E. Harris" Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com IMHO, it is acceptable to go trick-or-treating until after you have graduated from high school. I went trick-or-treating for the last time when I was sixteen. Most of the trick-or-treaters I see are pre-teens, but I have seen high-school age kids making the rounds. Fine with me! You need to hang on to as much of your childhood as you can. Teens can be nice - they can guide groups of smaller kids, and because they are big they are more visible to cars. I've seen parents take mere tots out for trick-or-treating. I have a feeling it's more for Mom and Dad than the kid, who has no idea of what the Hail Columbia is going on. A few years ago I was helping set up for a Halloween party, and I took care of the little ghoulies, ghosties, long leggitie beasties and things that go bump in the night who showed up at the hostess' door. At least one kid couldn't have been more than two. Only 359 more days until Halloween! - Fearless Freya of Arty Atlanta _____ / \ | |||| | THERE'S | |||| | ONE \ /||||\ / IN | | |||| | | EVERY | | |||| | | CROWD! | | | | ~ ~ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 18:47:42 1996 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 21:20:36 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Hi All, > I am sorry, I know this posting is not in context with the list. > I just received this from our MIS department and thought everyone > might be interested. [... munch munch munch...] > This is another virus that is out on the Internet. Be cautious of Thanks for your concern, but I think it's misplaced. I frequently get such messages flashing across my screen, and I've developed the following set of warning signs for urban myths. If a message includes the three features listed below, I dismiss it as a groundless myth, and send this note back to the originator. Andy Oakland MIT Information Systems sao@mit.edu -----------------Begin stock insert-------------------------------- You can often recognize an urban myth by the following qualities: -An urgent call to action accompanied by... -No verifiable origin of the information -No specific dates within the message (however, non-specific dates such as "last month" or "Craig Shergold is 8 years old" abound. Note that these offer no clues as to how long the myth has been circulating.) Dates on email messages DO NOT COUNT, since they get updated whenever some new person forwards the myth. These tales share several common elements which make them persistant... First, they play on peoples' fears: Of drugs, of technology, of criminals. People are apt to believe stories which validate their existing fears. Secondly, they make the propagator feel good about spreading the story; they reason that they will save others from harm by telling it. And thus, the message lives. (Andy Oakland, sao@mit.edu, 1994) -----------------End stock insert-------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 19:42:35 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:50:13 -0800 From: "John P. Jeffries" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween hi-schoolers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: (edited) > > Hi Ghouls, > As for the high school kids we were thinking of going to the drama and > art depts next year and see if we could use them to make sets and act in > the parts. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Our attraction uses our local school theatre/drama class for actors. I show them the lighting, and sound and explain how we get people scared. I do a coulple of workshops for the students on safty, charicter movements etc. I try not to "tell" them "how" they need to do it, I want them to figure it out. Two major rules: BE CREATIVE, BE SAFE. And if students have partuclar questions on make-up EF/X I find the time to explain or show them. We encourage them to do whatever they want...just bounce it off me first. All the scenes are set so they don't have to do any labor, just show up and have fun! We buy costumes from actors if we like it: (wedding gowns tux's etc.) That's about the only foot work they need to do is get dressed up. Food, snacks, colas etc, I provide for them. (Take care of your troup, and teach them as well). They do a great job! And they stay in line because they know I keep in contact with the teacher! John. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 19:42:37 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:29:52 -0800 From: "John P. Jeffries" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > I just checked out Mr. Scary's site. Great graphics and some good > prices. One thing...no pictures!! I know it is not a big thing, but I > like to view things. I have bookmarked this site for later use!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Sorry about that Kathy. That page is being updated to more and larger sections, NO FRAMES (that means you should be able to view it via AOL). Just got the scanner hooked up and I'm adding pictures to the site. So, hang in there, bookmark the page and cross your fingers I don't loose a file in transfer when I do it! BTW: MAJOR problems ocured in the shop last couple of days. Phone lines and machine freaked out when new lines went in. Between inventory, end of month, end of year book work, things are a little bizzare around here. John. ***************************************** * Mr. Scary Productions * * E-Mail mrscary@kiva.net * * Web Page:http://www.kiva.net/~mrscary * * NEW LINE: (812)-824-8935 M-F 10a-6p * * FAX (812)-824-9960 * ***************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 19:42:37 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:16:11 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: John Wohlers Subject: RE: Toward a More Useful Archive Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:29 AM 11/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hey as someone who can't help to much with the techie stuff, I'd certainly be willing to help with this aspect. Just let me know what you'd like done. > >Jacqui >jacqui.young@cciw.ca > >After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive >recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage >the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful >archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it >around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated >text, and extraneous internet message trailers. > >Thus by volunteering, Don might assign say the topic: "Spark >Gaps, Lightning Effects". It would then become my job, from all >1996 text, to search and condense anything related to this >topic. I'd then Email it back to Don, now in condensed form for >his review and posting. > >What do you think? > >Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) > > I'd love to help. I'm fairly handy with HTML as well if its needed ************************************************************* * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * * John Wohlers O- * * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * ************************************************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 19:42:44 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:40:36 -0800 From: Greywolf To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Haunted Garage 1996 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi all... I'll try to keep this short... My garage is 23' x 23' (2 1/2 car) unattached. We did our usual maze (always different though). 12 aisles this yr. Total blackness - walls of black plastic and wood framing. Enter in door greeted by 8' tall Grim reaper (Fully articulated dummy) that greets you with "Welcome foolish mortals .. ha ha ha ha ..." 1st turn right stepping on pressure switch to activate black light above aimed at melting man plaque coming through wall. Turn left past plaque and get clown face from wall in your face!. Continue past opening chained door .. red light in room .. shaking door (door has bars in it) catch a glimpse of freakish thing through bars.. light goes out.. just as you step on switch #2 and trigger light behind large skull head on wall beside you at same time 100decibel buzzer goes off. Jumping back you hit the dummy in the coffin in corner. Head goes up and turns to follow you. Moving on you step on switch #3 & light turns on to light plaque #3 as 120 decibel car horn alarm goes off. Turning right (around other side of the room with red light) another door swings open as youu pass it.. What is that following you??? It's making grunting noises whatever it is...seems bloody too! You turn left.. yahhhhhh! A long dark aisle illuminated by over 30 glowing hockey masks.. the theme from Halloween begins to play as you continue down the aisle - a glowing head is noticed in the wall ahead of you .. covered in cobwebs .. looks like it's been there a looong time! Turning left a skeleton comes out of the wall toward you! You hurry past only to be startled by two arms reahing from behind the wall (What's that noise - sounds like an air compressor!) Continuing down the aisle you notice a words on the wall ahead -- it says GO AWAY. A ghostly moaning begins and gets louder as you approach.. suddenly an apparition appears from no where - wait you can still read the words through the figure!! A GHOST! (Ala Mr. Pepper). As the ghostly image fades away you turn left again and squint ahead - green glow, bubbling noises, a bridge. You slowly approach the steps and start across.. foggy tonight. Suddenly a blacklight comes on behind you and you catch a glimpse of the hideous swamp creature right beside your face!! The light disappears and you gasp wanting to run .. if you could see!! The light again this time the glowing hands are at your feet grabbing at you. Light off... light on the monster is standing in front of you .... light off (you get the idea). Finally last aisle... wait, you hear low growling and snorting suddenly two large red eyes swing down from above towards you... a dragon!You can't get past! suddenly it swings back up... you escape to the yard.. you made it!! And 80% of it all worked! Thanks to my brother in law and two & half weeks of work.... cleaned up in 3 hrs. Still gotta pack it all though. Anybody want details on it let me know..... Greywolf From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 19:43:12 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:33:44 -0800 From: "John P. Jeffries" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui Young wrote: > > Okay Mr. Scary I tried to hook up to your URL and couldn't get in. Could you tell me the address again, I know I can't type and possibly the sight is going, so there is a margin for error here. > > Thank you > > Jacqui > jacqui.young@cciw.ca Are you using NETSCAPE 2.0+ ? If your browser is unable to view frames, this might be the problem. But have faith, we are working on the new page now that can be seen by almost all browsers. The URL: http://www.kiva.net/~mrscary John From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 20:15:36 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:47:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Scary Facts To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I do hope this list continues to grow - (= more talent and ideas, projects >etc. for next year!) - just shuddered at the prospect of losing the *quality* >to the masses...... ---------- Jeanni, When I wrote that post, I wasn't really mulling over the possibility of the dilution of quality. In fact, what I had in mind was just the reverse - a fostering of the growth of individual creative vision in Halloween seasonal decoration and Haunt design. I believe this is the same goal that Don (and friends) had in mind when the list was initiated. What, exactly, are we doing here? We're not posting a simple grocery list of department-store goodies, or advocating that people simply go out and buy a few tacky pieces of decor and label that agglomeration 'Halloween'. Although we do mention commercially available items, we review and criticize what is available. Further, we show a wider view of what might be accomplished with a minimum of audacity, by posting a mixture of our blue-sky fantasies, workable plans, and actual achieve- ments in the world of do-it-yourself haunting. We provide a widened scope of vision, in other words. We are, by and large, an egalitarian bunch. It has been mentioned by many listmembers that our purpose is not to form a secret cabal, but an open resource. We all share our techniques and methods, and our retailers, who could even stand to lose from doing so, join in this process. Why? Because we love what we do, and would like to see more folks join our extended family. Diversity is a positive thing, and requires a large population to achieve. A few active posters cannot - and should not - do all the work. The idea that many newcomers might begin reading this list and widening their seasonal vision does not incline me to believe that quality will be lost. Even if we produce, as a by-product of our growth, a little of the more prosaic style of decor throughout the country, it can only help to raise awareness of the holiday - a goal which I believe a number of us regard as desirable. Accordingly, by proportion, the number of sophisiticated Haunts should also increase, and eventually, this proportion itself should also widen. If you are still not convinced, remember: the list does take a little effort to discover and join, so this keeps it focused on the Halloween 'seekers' out there. I also would advise you to participate in the acheievment of your own desideratum. Post often, and steer your posts in the direction of your heart-felt desire. In other words, encourage readers to be individuals by showing them what may be accomplished by a little imagination and initiative. It will all work out, I think. Never fear! Unless, of course, you are in another listmember's haunt. ;-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 20:15:38 1996 From: qoe@sna.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:46:55 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The last time I Trick or Treated I was 13. I felt really stupid dressed up and asking for candy. Like I couldn't just go to the store and buy my own candy. That is when the Halloween party tradition started with me. I have to admit that any kid as tall or taller than me gets razed by me or my husband. And if I am home alone and I look out and see older kids I don't even answer the door. Lost my mail box one year that way. Oh well, I knew they didn't deserve any candy. __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 20:26:47 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:54:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Both Stu and Doug have offered to help write a FAQ, Denny, I think your right, >it is time. You guys still interested? You bet. Let me know what you'd like me to do. ;-) I love this list, Don. Whatever I can to to help, I will. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 20:26:56 1996 From: qoe@sna.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:58:59 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Costume to share. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My husband and I had a trying month with the loss of two family members, BUT we didn't want to give up on the Halloween party. We needed some fun. We wanted to be in costume (us being the hosts), but we needed something fast and easy. Our costumes turned out to be the best. After trying to get a 50 foot woman costume together, I decided to go with the Bride of Frankenstein. I'll keep the 50 foot woman idea for a "slimmer" year. :-) I used a witch wig, a sheet, bandages and face makeup. I looked great and it took 30 minutes to get ready. My husband went as the invisible man. He used duh, bandages, sunglasses and pajamas. 30 minutes getting ready there too. Everyone at the party wished they had thought so simply. I do want to work on getting some hair that will stand up like the traditional Bride of Frankenstein. I had thought about quilt batting and trying to dye it. Has anyone tried this? __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:11:30 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:40:24 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: WALL covering? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stuart McIntire wrote: > > Just asking out of curiosity... > > >this year at frezattas halloween corner... > > I'm wondering if the spelling should be Frazetta's (as in > fantasy artist Frank Frazetta), and if you're anywhere > near Stroudsburg, PA. Frazetta has a museum there of his > paintings (one of which I believe was sold at Sotheby's > a couple of years ago for around $100K). A lot of his > subject matter over the years has included imagery such > as what you talked about... > > - Stu > stuart.mcintire@uage.comYep thats the place im talking about this year they had a fire and a huge smoke sale 80-90% alot of stuff i really loaded up. I think there rooms of horror are great especially the execution. I live about an hour away in wilkes barre From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:22:42 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:58:25 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Len Canders Subject: Re: Costume to share. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:58 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >SNIP< >I do want to work >on getting some hair that will stand up like the traditional Bride of >Frankenstein. I had thought about quilt batting and trying to dye it. Has >anyone tried this? > haven't tried it, but lacey costume wig in nyc has a very nice bride of frankenstein wig for something like $20 plus shipping and it will save you a lot of time and effort. hth. len canders lcanders@ccnet.com "in the fuzz" http://www.ccnet.com/~lcanders/welcome.html concord, ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:33:18 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:19:28 -0800 From: Anuerysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Heads? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What does everyone make their heads out of? I usually start with a styro foam head them make the basic head shape with clay and wire then cover that with paper ma-shae?(help!)to keap it together next i cover that with crayola modeling clay to mold the face to finish i add liquid latex for lips eyelids etc finally i paint them by hand with flat model paints and spray them with a sealer. They way a ton but a pretty durable -i lost control while hanging freddy on my roof and his head fell off the roof it only had a slight ding that was barely noticable unless you were looking for it. The only problems ive ever had were with pinhead and the crow.Rain got in the little cracks were i pushed the pins into pinhead and softened the paper however you spell it under neath and his head turned to mush. With the crow water got through the whole in his head were the wig was attached and water began to spew at his mouth and eye holes and made the paint smear. If any body could tell me how i can improve my method or tell me how they make theirs id greatly appreciate thanks in advance wuv AnUeRySm or AneUrysm or whatever you want to call me HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!! 0 0 ) \___/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:34:43 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:27:56 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Freya, I would never turn away any kid that was really going out for fun. It is the problem with the older ones that are out only to destroy and cause problems that are my problem. We had many groups of High School kids come through and they were fine, it was the one group that caused trouble. That is why I put this for discussion on how to work it the best for all. Do you have any ideas on how to keep the punks from coming through without losing others. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:36:33 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:33:20 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween hi-schoolers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, thanks for the reply!! I will get hold of the local theater group and see what they say. The biggest group in this area just lost all their costumes and props in a big warehouse fire and are looking for helpers and money. Maybe I can work a little barter with them. I was wondering what insurance would do with kids in there working that are not family??? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:37:40 1996 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 21:29:02 -0700 From: Dana Collins To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All: First off I would like to thank Steve for looking out for the members of this list. However, this sounds just like the infamous "Good Times" Virus that never seems to die. You cannot get a virus from simply reading an email as it is only text. However, if you run an executable file that is _attached_ to an email, that is a different story. To find out more about the Good Times Virus, just type its name into any of the many search engines and you will find a plethora of FAQs, some of which go into great detail. (Then you can scoff at a co-worker who gets an email that says "Good Times" and sound rather impressive explaining this.) Hope this helps! ---Dana From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 21:46:36 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 12:42:41 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi John, I was not complaining I am just very untech and need the pictures to show me what I am looking at!! I love the graphics and backdrops you have used!! Can't wait to see the upgrades!! Kathy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 22:50:53 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 01:38:16 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > Freya, > I would never turn away any kid that was really going out for fun. It > is the problem with the older ones that are out only to destroy and > cause problems that are my problem. We had many groups of High School > kids come through and they were fine, it was the one group that caused > trouble. That is why I put this for discussion on how to work it the > best for all. Do you have any ideas on how to keep the punks from coming > through without losing others. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.comDear Kathy Here is my solution i dont know if it would help you but it may. I get about 250 ppl every year.Since im only 19 i know about all of them by face or name or usually have someone else that knows them.I have about 12 ppl helping me run my house -about half freinds and half are local kids from my neighborhood i get them all together 2 days before halloween and i ask them if they hear of anybody whos going to give us any problems and just talk about anyone who's just a troublemaker in general. we get all the names and faces confirmed.On the big night i have my freind gregg whos on the football team-6'4 250 quite intimidating especially dressed as an executioner warn them or any smartass's you can usually spot them who show up unexpected before hand that if anything goes wrong that he'll beat the hell out of them there usually so scared that once the go in this nervous and jump at the site of anything because there scared of doing something bad. And even sometimes when we mistake ppl it usually just adds to the show. I never had a real problem in 5 years. This may be a bit brutal but it works. Kids these days only understand violence not kind plees-hey i should im still akid. Its a shame that ppl cant appreciate all the work and money we put into a display just so they can see it free for one night of the year. But this method makes it better for everyone. Hope i helped a little HAVE A NICE DAY!!! AnEuRySm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 6 23:52:16 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 02:47:42 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Tesla Coil? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Has anyone on the list built a Tesla coil? >David >dallan@dow.com I haven't tried to build one myself, but a HH I have been associated with did go for a very large version. It was able to generate sparks over 5'. It was really quite impressive when it was running. The sound of a spark is quite loud and it gives any spectators a true feeling for the electrical power involved. However, it was somewhat prone to damaging itself. In the end, it was discontinued and alot of money was wasted on dealing with it. I don't think the smaller versions that have a spark lenght of under 1' are really that impressive, compared to something easier like a Jacob's Ladder. I have long wanted to find a way to imitate a tesla coil. Perhaps it may be possible to use neon or even a series of flash tubes to simulate the bolt itsef, but as I said before, the sound from the bolt is really what conveys its power. The other possible substitute, are the plasma displays that show the current in a ball of glass. Radio Shack sells some small version. But I (and you) probably need something much bigger for what we want. I once tried to use a 1" diameter plastic tube to make a plasma display, but it didn't work well at all and only lit up for about 6". On one of the old Frankenstein movies there was this display that used 3 foot diameter disks of glass. (I am making many guesses here) Perhaps it was two such disks with argon inside the space between where the electrical plasma disply radiated out from the center. Somehwere I heard a person comment that the Radio Shack displays do not have a vacuum inside, but actually some pressure. (perhaps even normal atmospheric pressure is acceptable. If the impressive plasma displays can be done inside this, the next question is how much voltage is needed for the effect - is a neon transformer in the range? Another source for high voltage is a Whimsherst Generator (sp?) These are made from two disks of non conductive materal with layers of conductive metal in a radial pattern on their surface. The two disks are spun in opposite directions about 1/2" inch from each other. Then brushes take the charge off the disks and store it in layden jars. It looks like it should be easier to make in your garage than an Tesla Coil. Also, the equipment itself in a good thing to display because of all the spinning disks. But I have not seen them doing good plasma displays. Has anyone seen a description for making your own? Another effect we used, was to simply use a neon transformer to make a spark and place that inside a parabolic reflector ( like that used in clamp-on lights). It is a stationary spark, but the light from it is more concentrated and the sound is also a bit more intense because it can also bounce off the reflector. If I recall correctly (and I am bit vague on the details) they also used some home-made capacitors in parallel with the spark gap. I didn't know much electronics at the time, so didn't know how to understand the circutry. I also think that these effects were controled by the mad scientist, so the sudden noices of the sparks were controled when he pressed a button to bring Frankenstein to life. There were also a few other Jacob's ladder type of effects that were always going. One had a metal ring as the ground, and then a motor had its output shaft attached to a wood stick, which then was attached to a metal rod that spun around the metal ring, like the minute hand of a clock- only much faster. The metal rod was also attached, buy a small brush, to the "hot" side of the output from the neon transformer. There was about a 1/2" gap between the ring and the metal rod spinning around, which was where the spark was. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 00:02:25 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:51:00 -0700 Subject: Long Winded Response to Greg (in Vista) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Like you, Stu, I have been planning for making a living with it all. Me and my best friend have been planning it out for about a decade now. Money is tight as hell, and I am running 3 jobs to keep afloat, and he will be at 2 jobs soon. The first phase was the purchase of a mobile home (my place). pay it off, find a couple of acres to move it to, and we set up there. 5 years into the loan right now. (sigh). We attend most local haunted houses and take notes. Worked some here and there, got 2 offers to build, one in progress, the other did not pan out :(. We analyze, work out plans. We are thrilled finding the list. You've seen my contributions during the year to the list. Literally, it is a source of important infromation. Can't wait for a most important tool which Denny shipped out to me yesterday (thanks, man :) which will help our operation. We hope to do this seriously. We don't even bother putting up a mini garage thing for halloween. Instead, we devote our time to researching, see what is out there, what works. We hope to bring Nightmare Park (tm) into a reality (grin) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 00:04:51 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 02:59:09 -0800 From: "John P. Jeffries" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween hi-schoolers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > >........ I was wondering > what insurance would do with kids in there working that are not > family??? > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Hummmm. This is how it breaks down at our atraction. 1)Insurance from Mr.Scary LLC covers event backed by ..2)The Harrodsburg Heritage days group followed down to 3)Homeowners insurance. Each covers the other and MSP LLC covers it all. If you are going to use the group to assist, here are a few tips.: 1) Do a contract explaing EACH AND EVERY RULE. a)Have EACH participating member SIGN the rule sheet WITH tel # and address. b)YOU need to READ this to EVERYONE before they sign so the UNDERSTAND the rules. (Our rule sheet is several pages long...) 2) Have a minumim age. (18) any younger they need PARENTS agreememt or parents with them. 3) EACH night, sign IN and OUT (to track how many you have, and what time they left.) 4) Anyone that violates the rules, BOOT them out..C-ya! 5) The contract should also explain what is expected of them and what will be recieved for their time/effort. 6) ANY and ALL persons w/medical history MUST be noted. 7) ANY and ALL accidents need to be recorded. (Do a log each night!) Remember, this is YOUR house, and YOUR homowners insurance that will have to cover them. Call your agent and discuss what you have in mind. You are opening your doors for the public, and need to be protected. 8) IF you are doing this to raise funds for a group, you are now a public attraction and are held to the laws in your state concerning AMUSIMENT permits via the fire dept. (depending on where you are, some states do not require a permit. 9) It might be possible for the school the class is from to give coverage to the kids. (Mutch like a field trip. But you will have to inquire to the local school about that.) It gets into more detail, if you need to, give me a call or E-mail me. John. ***************************************** * Mr.Scary Productions * * E-mail mrscary@kiva.net * * Web: http://www.kiva.net/~mrscary * * 1-(812)-824-8935 10a-6p CST * * FAX 1-(812)-824-9960 * ***************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 00:24:09 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:15:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jeanni, you live in LA and you have NEVER been to Knotts Scary Farm? For shame! Back east they have their Spooky World hayride and 2 haunted houses. A backyard operation. Most other amusement parks do 1 haunted house and some areas. Big deal. Knotts does THE whole enchilada. 11 haunted houses, the WHOLE PARK decorated, and over 1,000 ghouls this year! Seriously, I'll go for us getting together. Bringing my best friend, a friend from Florida who also does haunted houses (and has been on more rollercoasters than anyone walking the face of this earth today, his count is over 700), and possib ly other friends. We now go for 2 days instead of 1, because there is so much to see and do for the Haunt. Always wanted to do Magic Castle. got invites, but they expired (wah). Best friend is a magician, but he cannot apply until more $$$ comes his way. Besides, I still want to see your yard for next year :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 00:37:01 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:27:10 -0700 Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com for doing the remote spiders, at knotts, they have them on strings which people would pull up or down. One year saw them use bycycle rims as windlasses. Another year, I worked the Chamber of Horrors in Anaheim. 89 I think. We had spiders in the pyramid. That was a great set, a 40 foot tall pyramid built of wood inside the haunted house. Egyptian paintings all over it. Holed were cut for spiders on strings. They were attached to motors which spun their reel up or down, depending on a computer program. The only bear was that half the time, the fishing line would snag the reel, and I would have to get a ladder and climb all over the @!^$^%$^% pyramid to untangle the mess. Bout 10 minutes each time. Add the fact that I'm scared of heights....(even though I do coasters, and have bunjy jumped :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 03:35:02 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 06:19:01 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: No mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:09 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >> You've gotta get pictures of your graveyard fence on a web site (I'll put >> 'em on my customer page if you don't mind) so people on this list can see >> the really fantastic work you did. >> Folks, calling it a fence is a gross understatement! > >Thanks! I'll send them to anyone who emails me. > They are definately worth a look. Bob sent me his total collection, and now it looks like I've got a lot of work to do. Absolutely incredible fence. I'd put this fence up against ANY professional haunt, the level of detail is that good. Bob, can I borrow your fineal (fence spike) molds sometime? Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 04:37:06 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'R4M2J1@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Trash can trauma trouble turns to Tombstone Terror Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:27:22 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes please Dale I would love to see these pictures. I think this work even better than the Trash Can version. In my neighbourhood everyone would be suspicious of a Trash Can out on Halloween, or any other time (we all use garbage bags). So I'll be bugging you after Christmas for details. Thanks Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Well everything is down and packed away. The Outdoor flying ghost performed great (only two minor crashes at the end of the night.) I had a bigger problem with the trash can trauma project. I just couldn't get the spacing of the lid - mask right. Come to find out my trash can lid was the wrong size. It wasn't a total loss I salvaged the guts and put them into a monument /tombstone I made. Basically it's a wood frame surrounded with styrofoam and painted to look like granite. I mounted a skull (Wal-Mart) and skeleton hand to the TCT guts. When activated the skull would fly up and knock open the lid of the monument / tombstone this worked great because people were up close reading the tombstone , which read R.I.P. with the words I WILL NOT airbrushed in red above it. The skull has a hinged jaw that really rattled when the cylinder was activated. Scared the *#&! out of most everyone who walked by . Got some people twice even though they knew it was coming. I hope to have pictures soon if anyone is interested. Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 04:43:03 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'milwiron@btprod.com'" Subject: RE: Toward a More Useful Anchovies -Reply Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:32:04 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Both Stu and Doug have offered to help write a FAQ, Denny, I think your right, >it is time. You guys still interested? I'm still in. :) Denny If you need me I'm there Don. Jacqui