jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 04:47:47 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:27:57 -0500 (EST) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunted Garage 1996 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Greywolf wrote: > you hit the dummy in the coffin in corner. Head goes up and turns to > follow you. > > Anybody want details on it let me know..... > I am interested in the dummy in the coffin, I have one now that bolts upright at the waist. (air actuated by screen door closure). I want the dummy to turn its head towards the people and say something before going back down to a resting position, but havent figured out how to do it yet. I activate the dummy via and x-10 controller. (just push the button on/off). Any help would be appreciated. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us llund179@aol.com Phone: (516)-231-8790 Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 04:55:31 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Freya E. Harris'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: Too old to trick or treat? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:43:35 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com IMHO, it is acceptable to go trick-or-treating until after you have graduated from high school. I went trick-or-treating for the last time when I was sixteen. Most of the trick-or-treaters I see are pre-teens, but I have seen high-school age kids making the rounds. Fine with me! You need to hang on to as much of your childhood as you can. I have to agree with Freya. Of course I had trouble with some high school kids but no all highschool kids. Next year my oldest will be in high school and she will still be trick or treating. She wants one year after braces, on top of which she loves just running door to door with her friends. When she's ready she'll stay home and help with the haunt, but until then I will actively encourage her to stay a kid. By the way even though I trust both my girls, my husband walks along the roadway. He says he trusts the kids, but not the rest of the world. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 05:00:53 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" , "'John P. Jeffries'" Subject: RE: Mr. Scary Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:51:19 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, actually I'm using Netscape 3.0 and the problem isn't with the viewing, it's just that I keep getting the message Unable to locate server, server does not have a DNS entry. This usally means I have the address typed in wrong, or for whatever reason the server for that particular page is down. I just tried again and I'm still getting the same message. If I do a search on Mr. Scary or mrscary I never get to you. This is making me very sad, since I'm sure you page is wonderful, if you have any ideas please help. Actually if this mail makes it to you given your address is still @kiva.net, then I'm really confused. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca P.S. I'm going to send a copy of this mail to the list just in case my server still can't find yours. Sorry for the wasted band width guys. ---------- From: John P. Jeffries[SMTP:mrscary@kiva.net] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 1996 12:34 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Jacqui Young wrote: > > Okay Mr. Scary I tried to hook up to your URL and couldn't get in. Could you tell me the address again, I know I can't type and possibly the sight is going, so there is a margin for error here. > > Thank you > > Jacqui > jacqui.young@cciw.ca Are you using NETSCAPE 2.0+ ? If your browser is unable to view frames, this might be the problem. But have faith, we are working on the new page now that can be seen by almost all browsers. The URL: http://www.kiva.net/~mrscary John From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 05:04:06 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Greywolf'" Subject: RE: Haunted Garage 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:53:43 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes I would love to know the details. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Anybody want details on it let me know..... Greywolf From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 05:10:44 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'qoe@sna.com'" Subject: RE: Too old to trick or treat? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:58:26 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lynne, my thirteen year old has been 5'8 1/2" tall for a couple of years now. She 5'6" when she was ten years old, have a heart, just because you're tall doesn't mean you're old. I remember when I was a kid in grade 5 also 5'6" tall and went trick or treating with all my regular sized friends, and everyone said "Aren't you a little old for this", well let me tell you I was already self conscious about my height and by the end of the night I was in tears. I'm sure if they'd realized my age or how much they were hurting they would never have done it, but people do need to realize we're not all built the same. Jacqui....stepping down from the soapbox and trying to knock the chip off her shoulder ---------- I have to admit that any kid as tall or taller than me gets razed by me or my husband. And if I am home alone and I look out and see older kids I don't even answer the door. Lost my mail box one year that way. Oh well, I knew they didn't deserve any candy. __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 05:24:43 1996 From: ALLAN DAVID Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 08:15:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Tesla Coil? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks for this reply (and the others I've received, too). Your last device, with the ring and high voltage, may be what I am looking for. I seem to recall something from an old (Frankenstein?) movie that spun around and produced sparks. I thought this might be a Wimshurst, but now I think it could have been the device you described. Well, I'm still interested in gathering ideas, so keep 'em comin'. David dallan@dow.com (I would delete your post for brevity, but it was so useful I'll leave it all in case anyone missed it.) - ---------- From: Joe Dunfee[SMTP:jdunfee@shadow.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 9:47 PM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tesla Coil? >Has anyone on the list built a Tesla coil? >David >dallan@dow.com I haven't tried to build one myself, but a HH I have been associated with did go for a very large version. It was able to generate sparks over 5'. It was really quite impressive when it was running. The sound of a spark is quite loud and it gives any spectators a true feeling for the electrical power involved. However, it was somewhat prone to damaging itself. In the end, it was discontinued and alot of money was wasted on dealing with it. I don't think the smaller versions that have a spark lenght of under 1' are really that impressive, compared to something easier like a Jacob's Ladder. I have long wanted to find a way to imitate a tesla coil. Perhaps it may be possible to use neon or even a series of flash tubes to simulate the bolt itsef, but as I said before, the sound from the bolt is really what conveys its power. The other possible substitute, are the plasma displays that show the current in a ball of glass. Radio Shack sells some small version. But I (and you) probably need something much bigger for what we want. I once tried to use a 1" diameter plastic tube to make a plasma display, but it didn't work well at all and only lit up for about 6". On one of the old Frankenstein movies there was this display that used 3 foot diameter disks of glass. (I am making many guesses here) Perhaps it was two such disks with argon inside the space between where the electrical plasma disply radiated out from the center. Somehwere I heard a person comment that the Radio Shack displays do not have a vacuum inside, but actually some pressure. (perhaps even normal atmospheric pressure is acceptable. If the impressive plasma displays can be done inside this, the next question is how much voltage is needed for the effect - is a neon transformer in the range? Another source for high voltage is a Whimsherst Generator (sp?) These are made from two disks of non conductive materal with layers of conductive metal in a radial pattern on their surface. The two disks are spun in opposite directions about 1/2" inch from each other. Then brushes take the charge off the disks and store it in layden jars. It looks like it should be easier to make in your garage than an Tesla Coil. Also, the equipment itself in a good thing to display because of all the spinning disks. But I have not seen them doing good plasma displays. Has anyone seen a description for making your own? Another effect we used, was to simply use a neon transformer to make a spark and place that inside a parabolic reflector ( like that used in clamp-on lights). It is a stationary spark, but the light from it is more concentrated and the sound is also a bit more intense because it can also bounce off the reflector. If I recall correctly (and I am bit vague on the details) they also used some home-made capacitors in parallel with the spark gap. I didn't know much electronics at the time, so didn't know how to understand the circutry. I also think that these effects were controled by the mad scientist, so the sudden noices of the sparks were controled when he pressed a button to bring Frankenstein to life. There were also a few other Jacob's ladder type of effects that were always going. One had a metal ring as the ground, and then a motor had its output shaft attached to a wood stick, which then was attached to a metal rod that spun around the metal ring, like the minute hand of a clock- only much faster. The metal rod was also attached, buy a small brush, to the "hot" side of the output from the neon transformer. There was about a 1/2" gap between the ring and the metal rod spinning around, which was where the spark was. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 05:37:33 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Etowski To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Get FREE Halloween Treats and Specials from atOnce Software! (fwd) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Etowski Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Get FREE Halloween Treats and Specials from atOnce Software! (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:01:09 -0700 From: ClubatOnce@atonce.com To: poehlman@clark.net Subject: Get FREE Halloween Treats and Specials from atOnce Software! ****Welcome to the Club atOnce Newsletter**** October 24, 1996 You'll find the hottest games on the market in atOnce Software this month and lots of FREE Halloween treats from Club atOnce. It's our way of saying thanks for being a Member! TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. Celebrate Halloween-Visit Our Site for Free Treats And More 2. Get Free Halloween Sound Files-They're a Scream 3. Treat Yourself to Bone-Chilling Games, "Scream" Savers and More 4. Race for the Pennant With Your Favorite Baseball Club 1. CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN-VISIT OUR SITE FOR FREE TREATS AND MORE We've got a complete Halloween costume for your computer. Visit atOnce Software and fill your bag with treats (and NO TRICKS) in our Happy Halloween Trick or Treat page. We've got a FREE Halloween Desktop Theme complete with icons and animated cursors that will send a chill up your spine. It's just the thing to get you in a Halloween mood. Knock on our door at http://www.atonce.com 2. GET FREE HALLOWEEN SOUND FILES-THEY'RE A SCREAM Our resident creep, Cory, recorded a sample of his favorite creepy sound waves. Amuse your office mates, frighten your neighbors or have just plain fun with this FREE package. Come to our house, knock on the right door, and get ready for a scream. (Okay, so maybe Cory really isn't such a creep, but these sound files are sure creepy!) 3. TREAT YOURSELF TO BONE-CHILLING GAMES, "SCREAM" SAVERS AND MORE We've also got an excellent collection of just what you need to make your Halloween complete. Download our special Halloween Clip Art package for the perfect graphic for your Halloween party flyer . Or get excellent games like Ultimate Doom, the Despair Trilogy or other insanely intense games. And check out our favorite "Scream Savers"-The Surrealist Art of Tito Salomoni, The Art of the Guardians and more. 4. RACE FOR THE PENNANT WITH YOUR FAVORITE BASEBALL CLUB Bring Classic Baseball to your computer with Miller Associates' classic game APBA Baseball for Windows. This incredible game uses all the real player and team stats so you can play your favorite seasons the way you want to. For a limited time you can purchase Baseball for Windows and get the 1995 Season Player Disk included for FREE at http://www.atonce.com/ScriptsAO/ProductInfo.idc?SKU=mil00009&channel=2! In addition to all of the features of Baseball for Windows, this program will enable you to recreate the entire 1995 season in all its exciting detail. Thanks for being a Club atOnce Member! Be sure to visit atOnce Software at http://www.atonce.com for the best new downloadable software. If you do not wish to receive the Club atOnce Newsletter, please email CLUBATONCE@ATONCE.COM and include the word "REMOVE" in the SUBJECT line. Hands-On-Technolog(eye)s touching the internet voice: 1-(301) 949-7599 E-mail: poehlman@clark.net ftp: ftp.clark.net/pub/poehlman url: http://www.clark.net/pub/poehlman From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 06:06:33 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 07:48:27 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Web Fluid Vehicle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:25 PM 11/6/96, you wrote: >Strange, the changes that I've seen after hunting locally for >this stuff. Chemical ingredients are no longer clearly listed >on the label. A general statement like "contains petroleum >distillates" is what you find instead. > Not all distilled petroleum byproducts or combinations of those byproducts have proper "names" recognized universally, nor are manufacturers required to name or list them unless there are specific health or environmental problems not covered by the "petroleum distillate" heading. ...and manufacturers of non-food, non-cosmetic, non-drug, etc. (FDA regulated) type items are still allowed to have proprietary ingredients as long as they fall within federal, state and local labeling guidelines. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 06:18:14 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 08:43:12 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[3]: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >p.s. Side topic, Do we have a listing of names and email addresses of >Halloween-l members. I would be happy to put up a web site listing all of >the year-longers :) Send a message to listserv@netcom.com. In the body, type: who halloween-l (your e-mail address) You'll be able to match up a lot of the subscribers with their addresses (mine is stuart.mcintire@uage.com, so it's not too difficult to figure mine out), others would be more difficult. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 06:20:07 1996 From: "David S. Allan" To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Yet another candle recall Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:11:45 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBCC8B.B6E4F7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another candle recall. David dallan@dow.com ------------------------------ For Immediate Release Contact: Hannah Simone November 6, 1996 (301) 504-0580 Ext.1185 Release #97-019 CPSC and Walgreens Announce Hand Candle Recall WASHINGTON, D.C. - In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), East West Distributing Co. and Walgreens of Deerfield, Ill., is recalling about 95,900 hand-shaped, five finger Decorative Novelty Candles made for Halloween. The hand-shaped wax candles generate high flames that may present a fire hazard. This recall is the third issued by CPSC and candle distributors concerning the potential fire hazard associated with certain brands of the five finger, hand shaped Halloween candles. Recalls of two similarly styled candles were issued by Russ Berrie and Company of Oakland, N.J., (for 17,600 Dem Bones and 67,600 Glowing Gore wax candles) and C.R. Seasons LTD of Farmingdale, N.Y., (for 47,100 Bleeding Hand wax candles). The Decorative Novelty Halloween Candle is hand shaped with five fingers each having individual wicks. The candle flames may reach 8 inches high as the candles melt down to the palm with the wicks of the five fingers burning together. East West Distributing Co. and Walgreens have received no reports of excess flames or injuries associated with the Bleeding Hand Halloween candles. This recall is being conducted to prevent injuries and fires. The hand-shaped wax candle is pink skin-toned color with a red band around the bottom of the wrist. The 7-inch high candle is packaged in a purple, red, and yellow-shaded cardboard box with a picture of the candle on the front. The name "Decorative Novelty Candle" is printed on the front of the box with the price of $2.99 in the upper right hand corner.. Walgreens retail stores sold the five finger, hand-shaped candle nationwide from August 1996 through October 1996 for $2.99. Consumers should immediately stop using the hand-shaped candles and return remaining candles to Walgreens for a refund of the purchase price. 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Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Here Here Lets start thinking about next year!!! On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Sparks, Doug wrote: > Well Greg, > I must say I am exhausted! I took yesterday off and was still racing to > finish at sundown. I got it all out though and was pleased at the comments > received from children and their parents. One set of parents commented > that the house looked fantastic and even thanked me for doing it! (That > guarantees at least another year of this :) ) > > Two things really were appreciated by the visitors: > > 1) 2 48" blacklight bulbs illuminating the driveway. On the driveway in > glow chalk were footprints (changing between monster and human) and a chalk > outline of yours truly with the badly and incompletely scrawled words 'help > me'. Half the fun was seeing the kids laugh at each other with their > now-glowing teeth and eyes. > > 2) The other was the fog machine. Having the remote their to pump out > the fog when needed cut down on usage and produced it when necessary. The > fog spewed out of some pumpkins behind the graveyard and really made the > whole area spooky. > > Now it's time to work on the stuff for next year, but I might have to > take a week or so off just to get some rest :) > > Keep the local haunts going Greg, although you can offer assistance to > the community ones. > > Doug Sparks > dsparks@ligand.com > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Now, for next year... > Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway > Date: 11/1/96 9:29 AM > > If someone could give me an opinion on this, I'd really appreciate it. > > It's been great to read about all the successes around the country. Happy > Halloween, all! I'll look for you over the coming year! > > Greg in Vista > H (619)945-4424 > F (619)726-2804 > E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu > > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 06:39:44 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 09:30:42 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: WALL covering? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Yep thats the place im talking about this year they had a fire and a huge >smoke sale 80-90% alot of stuff i really loaded up. I think there rooms >of horror are great especially the execution. I live about an hour away >in wilkes barre Boy...I'm jealous. When I took the family up to Middleburg, New York this summer, I checked my atlas, but the route we were taking wasn't close enough to Stroudsburg to take a side trip (when we have a place to go where we're expected, I *hate* to take a long side trip). So I passed up on the Frazetta museum. I hear it's fantastic, though, especially to see so many of his works collected in one place. I had no idea he had a side operation for Halloween. The district manager for Spencer's last year told me many a tale about how one of the Spencers in that area is one where Frazetta frequented. I can't imagine Frazetta fre- quenting a Spencers, but I guess anything is possible. Could be he stopped there once, was recognized, and hung out for a short while chatting with the staff...I don't know. It doesn't seem likely he would buy props there. I'd sooner imagine him setting up a shop and creating his own - which could be what he did. What kind of merchandise did you pick up? - Stu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 06:58:58 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:37:06 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Mr. 19 year old with no first name :) We were thinking of doing just that. If we have a couple of big,,,BIG guys right off the bat playing parts maybe they will think twice about starting something!!! They did not see any problem in not even listening to me at all. I am 4'11" and all they did was laugh. I am not tagging anyone with a brand but I do have to say they were all wearing blue shirts and blue bandanas on their heads. Enough said on that !!! It sounds like you have a great haunt, I just wish we could all see what everyones place looked like!! Question, I know another one, We get ZERO newspaper coverage. They say they don't cover Halloween. But put up a couple of Christmas lights and the camera man is there in a minute!!! Anyone else have this problem or is it just a small town thing!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:01:20 1996 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:45:16 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween hi-schoolers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, Thanks for all the info. I will talk with my insurance rep and see what they want. Then I will talk to the local high school!! Do you have a stardard set of rules or is there some book that would have them?? The reason I am still posting these questions to the list is because there may be others that do not realize that they are libel for these helpers. Thanks again for the help. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:01:23 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 08:43:12 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[3]: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >p.s. Side topic, Do we have a listing of names and email addresses of >Halloween-l members. I would be happy to put up a web site listing all of >the year-longers :) Send a message to listserv@netcom.com. In the body, type: who halloween-l (your e-mail address) You'll be able to match up a lot of the subscribers with their addresses (mine is stuart.mcintire@uage.com, so it's not too difficult to figure mine out), others would be more difficult. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:09:20 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 09:58:16 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Me, obsessive?!? (Forwarding by Request - With Comment) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi all, My dad said that I'm so obsessive with Halloween that it scares him. I've decorated my room completely with Halloween-orientated things such as: black wreaths, death certificates I made on my computer, real life-sized models of the Predator, Aliens, and human skeletons. I also put fake spider webs on my desk and furniture. I don't call that obsessive, do you? [: -) < craig denniston (csdenniston@juno.com) > Comment: Obsessive? Of course not! Just how big is that room, though, with those life-sized Predator and Alien figures??? And how do I get myself named in your will??? ;) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com On Tue, 05 Nov 1996 08:34:02 -0800 allconen@btigate.com writes: >Mike Marcrum wrote: >> >> Lucien, >> I find it very hard to not confuse my Holidays!! I really like the >> idea of a Halloween Tree, but the family would probably have a big >> fit!!! Good idea though. >> Kathy > >I'm in the same boat. Every year we pick a different theme to >decorate >our tree with, so I suggested this great idea. My husband looked >appalled and said he thought I was getting a bit obsessive about >Halloween. Now, how could anybody be obsessive about Halloween??? > >Debbie > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:21:45 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 09:11:12 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tesla Coil? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:47 AM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote in part: > Somehwere I heard a person comment that the Radio Shack displays do >not have a vacuum inside, but actually some pressure. (perhaps even normal >atmospheric pressure is acceptable. If the impressive plasma displays can be >done inside this, the next question is how much voltage is needed for the >effect - is a neon transformer in the range? Dang, small world! I've been working on this topic for a few months. Here's some stuff I've found that may help others... Most of my initial testing was done in a sealed 16 oz. (saves gas) glass jar with temporary tubulation for evacuating and filling. The internal electrode was a 5/8" diameter polished, stainless steel ball. A hand blown, glass covered electrode will be used for permanent assemblies. The "pressure" needed in a plasma sphere depends greatly on the high voltage circuit output and frequency, and the types of gasses used. I use the word "pressure" because in high vacuum work this is the acceptable term. I've found that all air must be removed down to at least 20 millitorr before the following numbers are accurate (Nitrogen must be removed for higher pressure work and stability). 1 millitorr= 1 micron of Hg. High vacuum work is usually done below 1 millitorr. With a 50/50 combination of argon and neon gas I can produce a nice trail of ribbons in the test jar and an 8" plasma sphere with 20 to 25" of mercury using a typical, high voltage power supply built from a rewound flyback transformer. For higher gas pressures, less neon is used. Pure argon works at atmospheric pressure as will helium. Regular ol' air will work with gas pressures of around 2 to 5 torr but the greatest percentage of air is not composed of noble gasses so the results are short term. Since Tesla coils have rated outputs strongly dependent on their tuning, it's much harder to predict results based on coil size and gas pressure but even the smallest coils seem to have plenty of power for plasma spheres... if you can control the gas mixture and pressures. That's about all I know. The reasons for my experiments with this topic will show up in the TBD catalog in a few weeks :) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:21:59 1996 From: Bowman_Noel To: "'Halloween-l'" Subject: Dropping spiders, was RE: I am finally able to post{long}!! Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 09:21:00 CST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Robyn wrote: Which reminds me...at my party, which went quite well, I kept wishing I'd rigged little spiders to come down from the ceiling when triggered by a remote. Of course, I don't know how to do this, but I think it would be way cool. How about trying a little DC electric motor (palm sized or smaller, available at any electric hobby shop). Use a sewing spool as a take up/winch mechanism. Tie string or thread to the spider, anchor the other end to the take up spool. Use a radio transceiver from a remote control system or hard wire it to a control box. If I am not mistaken, applying current in one direction will let out the spider, applying it the other way will reel in the spider. This would all run on batteries. You electrics people out there--does this sound right? Noel. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:22:51 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Etowski To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new topics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Good thoughtI'll keep the idea in mind On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Greg Hope wrote: > >3 I am also doing or want to do the mummy. I want something to last a > little longer and be able to move in,and be > >reasonably easy to get out of and go to the bathroom. > > Hi, Jennifer. So far, I can only make a suggestion for the costume. How > about looking into extra-wide ace bandages? Between now and next Halloween, > you have plenty of time to drop them into a bucket with some grey Rit dye. > Seems like they should be flexible enough to allow freedom of movement and, > since they are attached with those little hook-clips, getting in and out of > the costume means little more than wrapping and unwrapping. > > Greg > > PS In a couple of weeks, I'll have the pictures back from my effort this > year. I will try to post them onto a web page and will include shots from > that night and a daylight layout of the props. I really had to go > low-budget and time-efficient this year, so this probably fits your > requirements. I'm talking about things like black sheets, laundry > detergent, cheapo lights, etc. Don't forget to check out the > after-Halloween sales today. > H (619)945-4424 > F (619)726-2804 > E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 07:45:44 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 09:26:38 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yeah, I've got a tall kid, too. He's 5'8" & just hit 13 last month. (No *serious* growing has happened yet, though. Yikes!) I still give candy to tall kids! I know most of the ones who go thru our neighborhood (or someone in their group). I just better not catch 'em hassling the little kids or shoving the toddlers out of the way on my doorstep. Jacqui Young wrote: > > Lynne, my thirteen year old has been 5'8 1/2" tall for a couple of years now. She 5'6" when she was ten years old, have a heart, just because you're tall doe > > Jacqui....stepping down from the soapbox and trying to knock the chip off her shoulder > > ---------- > > I have to admit that any kid as tall or taller than me gets razed by me or > my husband. And if I am home alone and I look out and see older kids I > don't even answer the door. Lost my mail box one year that way. Oh well, I > knew they didn't deserve any candy. > __________________________ > |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles > \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com > |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 08:07:37 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 07:51:28 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Proctors wrote: > > Yeah, I've got a tall kid, too. He's 5'8" & just hit 13 last month. (No *serious* > growing has happened yet, though. Yikes!) I still give candy to tall kids! I know most > of the ones who go thru our neighborhood (or someone in their group). I just better not > catch 'em hassling the little kids or shoving the toddlers out of the way on my > doorstep. > In my local paper, the Tracy (CA) Press, there were several reports of older kids attacking and stealing candy from younger kids. One child was beaten with a rake only for his sack. <:-( -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 08:10:26 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Etowski To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: NEW: xmaslist - Items Offered for Xmas 1996 (fwd) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com for person looking for xmas list ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:03:08 -0500 (EST) From: David Poehlman To: Jennifer Etowski Subject: NEW: xmaslist - Items Offered for Xmas 1996 (fwd) merry xmas! I love you! Hands-On-Technolog(eye)s touching the internet voice: 1-(301) 949-7599 E-mail: poehlman@clark.net ftp: ftp.clark.net/pub/poehlman url: http://www.clark.net/pub/poehlman ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 16:47:25 -0600 From: syscon@web-star.com To: NEW-LIST@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU Subject: NEW: xmaslist - Items Offered for Xmas 1996 XMASLIST on xmasbot@web-star.com Items offered for Xmas 1996 The XmasList is a sponsored distribution list which contains products, crafts, services, etc. available to be purchased for Christmas 1996. Each mailout will contain a short description of the item available for purchase along with either an e-mail address or telephone number where you can obtain more information in the event you are interested. Current traffic is 0-5 mailings per day. This list will be discontinued at noon (Pacific) December 24, 1996. The list will reactivate in November, 1997 To subscribe, send message with the word subscribe in the BODY of e-mail to: xmasbot@web-star.com Owner: Howard V. Barton syscon@web-star.com ------- Use this information at your own risk. For more information and disclaimer send E-mail to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU with the command INFO NEW-LIST in the body. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 08:33:34 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:17:49 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: No mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill Lewis wrote: > They are definately worth a look. Bob sent me his total collection, and now > it looks like I've got a lot of work to do. Absolutely incredible fence. > I'd put this fence up against ANY professional haunt, the level of detail is > that good. Aw shucks Bill, you're turning my head! :-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 08:43:36 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:34:59 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: newspaper coverage (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: (snip) > Question, I know another one, We get ZERO newspaper coverage. They say > they don't cover Halloween. But put up a couple of Christmas lights and > the camera man is there in a minute!!! Anyone else have this problem or > is it just a small town thing!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com That is so bizarre. How small is your town, anyway?!! The local newspaper here may not always have space for your story but claim they're always looking for leads. I remember a coupla yrs. ago when we had one of our rare snow days here in the Dallas area. My son & I had been out at like 10 pm the night before making a huge snowman (okay Northerners, don't laugh! It was the only time there'd been enough to do it with in the 7 yrs. we've been here!) Anyway, about 9-10 am a newspaper photographer knocks on the door to ask permission to take a photo for the paper. They were just driving around town looking for "snow pictures." On the other hand, our school practically has to have a fire to get into the paper sometimes! Maybe you could have 10 friends/neighbors all call the paper over a period of several days or the preceding 2 weeks before the big day (maybe even give their names so they know its different ppl) & say something positive about your place & how they think its a *great* local interest story or they're asking for more info on it, something like that. Then again, you may have better luck with having 10 friends/neighbors all call & complain about the "traffic problems" your place generates. That would probably bring them out in no time! ;-) Or have ppl write letters to the editor _right now_ complaining about the lack of coverage this yr. of this wonderful local interest story & how they hope to see it in the paper next yr. If you do use high school students, maybe some of their journalism friends could write a story about how "classmates are helping out this year" so at least you're publicized in the local high school paper! (if you think you want publicity there!) We have a city magazine that we can put things into (like free ads) regarding upcoming events & stuff. Sometimes they'll write a bigger blurb. I know the Dallas Morning News(paper) puts out a huge list of local (commercial) haunts for a couple of wks. before Halloween. At least 1 local radio station has a web site where they list haunts to visit, times, prices, etc. Use your "off-season" to plan your media attack! Do you know anyone affiliated with the local paper? Maybe they can tell you how to sneak yourself in! I can't believe a paper "doesn't do Halloween" unless the owners are really anti-Halloween for personal or religious reasons. But still, they are supposed to serve their community so maybe you need to encourage some friends to let the paper know that your community wants info on your haunt! good luck karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 08:57:06 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:44:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Etowski To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: It's the day! and More to Come! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I found a really good rubber mask at spencer or walmart.Imade the gloves with fake fur;gardening gloves and fate nails to look like wolf paws.If you had something to mount it on with a robe or old clothes it would look really good. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:03:10 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 11:46:15 -0500 From: Jack Bentley To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > I am not tagging > anyone with a brand but I do have to say they were all wearing blue > shirts and blue bandanas on their heads. Enough said on that !!! > Kathy Nothing a good piece of hickory won't cure. JB -- MereImage, Inc. http://www.mereimage.com Providing Total Internet Solutions From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:12:05 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:59:56 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:51 AM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >In my local paper, the Tracy (CA) Press, there were several reports of >older kids attacking and stealing candy from younger kids. One child >was beaten with a rake only for his sack. <:-( >-- >Bob Andrews True story- When I was very small (5 or so) I had my bag of candy stolen by an older kid after dark, I cried for hours. As soon as I got home my older brother went looking for the kid and my parents went to the store and bought me a replacement bag of candy. Now, thanks to a bad attitude, 3 bull terriers, assault rifles, 45 ACP sidearms and night vision scopes this doesn't happen to me anymore. ;) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:15:23 1996 To: Scott Axworthy From: William E Rompala Date: 7 Nov 96 12:06:04 Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >to be orchestratable (if thats a word) to have lights do things, fog >go, and then boom, boom, boom, spiders exploding out from the ceiling. >While it worked, the effect was not as I hoped. It was a lot of work >and it didn't do very much. My neighbor was standing under one when it >went off and was covered with spiders, freaked her out - it made the >whole thing worth while. That would have been a moment to relish. Now....if we could train _live_ ones to crawl in there.....hmmm.. ;-) -W -=- William Rompala Rompala Consulting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil romwil@netaxs.com day: rompala_william@jpmorgan.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:37:41 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:14:24 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: WALL covering? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > Boy...I'm jealous. When I took the family up to Middleburg, > New York this summer, I checked my atlas, but the route we > were taking wasn't close enough to Stroudsburg to take a > side trip (when we have a place to go where we're expected, > I *hate* to take a long side trip). So I passed up on the > Frazetta museum. I hear it's fantastic, though, especially > to see so many of his works collected in one place. > > I had no idea he had a side operation for Halloween. > > The district manager for Spencer's last year told me many > a tale about how one of the Spencers in that area is one > where Frazetta frequented. I can't imagine Frazetta fre- > quenting a Spencers, but I guess anything is possible. > Could be he stopped there once, was recognized, and hung > out for a short while chatting with the staff...I don't > know. It doesn't seem likely he would buy props there. > I'd sooner imagine him setting up a shop and creating > his own - which could be what he did. > > What kind of merchandise did you pick up? > > - Stu1.Giant bats (about a foot and a half each) with light up eyes.I bought 6 of them for 10 bucks each these were reg 70 dollars these were my favorite. 2.Lots of body parts for 5 dollars each 3.All types of hands for dummies and costumes for 10 each 4.black light bulbs .75 5.blood for ..75 6latex paint 1.00 a jar 7those chattering latex skulls and those giant moving rats in the trap for 5.00 8rings 1.50 9statues and candle holders 7.50 10 head and torso corpses 2 for 40 bucks each I just got my first charge and i nearly maxed it out there it was great. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:52:50 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 11:41:01 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: newspaper coverage-part 2 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Mike Marcrum wrote: > > (snip) > > Question, I know another one, We get ZERO newspaper coverage. They say > > they don't cover Halloween. But put up a couple of Christmas lights and > > the camera man is there in a minute!!! Anyone else have this problem or > > is it just a small town thing!! > > Kathy > > the new kid on the crypt > > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com (huge snip) > Use your "off-season" to plan your media attack! I belatedly remembered that I skimmed a book at the local library re: public relations & how to publicize things just a few months ago. Boy, that info must not have sunk in, I had forgotten about it! (We were having big problems w/getting publicity on certain things) You might want to see if you can glean anything that way to help you. Also, I remember, and our school & scout groups have had to do this, that it is really helpful to send a press release. (details, time, place, contact name & number, that kind of stuff) Ideas for a form to write up are in a p.r. book (library!) or I could root around here for one. Its here somewhere under a skeleton or something. :-) I guess some news organizations like if the person who submits the lead practically "writes" the story for them. On some things, like say, a school carnival or car wash or some "run-of-the-mill" youth story like that, sometimes they just pull the details off the press release & write it in a story style. (more like an announcement) Or, they may call the contact name, ask for a coupla quotes, confirmation, or more details & _still_ mostly rewrite the press release! Or, they use the press release in the way that you hope & they send someone out on the big day (or ahead of time, for your purposes) & take photos, do bigger story, etc. I think its Craig who gets the tv news out to his place every yr. Maybe he can help here. > good luck > karen p > cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:58:02 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:37:06 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sounds like a workable idea. Whadda ya say Don?? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! >>> Jim Kadel 11/6/96 11:16 am >>> After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive recently, I had an idea. Perhaps, if Don Bertino would manage the activity, we [those interested in providing a more useful archive] could volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it around a single topic. By condense, I mean remove any repeated text, and extraneous internet message trailers. Thus by volunteering, Don might assign say the topic: "Spark Gaps, Lightning Effects". It would then become my job, from all 1996 text, to search and condense anything related to this topic. I'd then Email it back to Don, now in condensed form for his review and posting. What do you think? Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 09:58:04 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:47:20 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > Hi Mr. 19 year old with no first name :) > We were thinking of doing just that. If we have a couple of big,,,BIG > guys right off the bat playing parts maybe they will think twice about > starting something!!! They did not see any problem in not even listening > to me at all. I am 4'11" and all they did was laugh. I am not tagging > anyone with a brand but I do have to say they were all wearing blue > shirts and blue bandanas on their heads. Enough said on that !!! It > sounds like you have a great haunt, I just wish we could all see what > everyones place looked like!! > Question, I know another one, We get ZERO newspaper coverage. They say > they don't cover Halloween. But put up a couple of Christmas lights and > the camera man is there in a minute!!! Anyone else have this problem or > is it just a small town thing!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.comDear woman with first name 0 0 ) \_/ I dont know were you live so i dont know how the media is situated. But here is what do. My freind gregg you know the house gaurdian well his dad is a printer at the local paper and he tells ppl to come down and check it out. For the others he are my tips i actually think there good 1.for the other local paper i take pictures of my house and deliver them personally to the paper this always works 2.I video tape my house and do a liitle naration i then take a copy to all 3 tv news station the farthest one is 25 minutes away. I make sure when i get there i see someone important. 3.When dealing with tv and the paper be pushy remeber keep sticking your tape or pictures in their face and demand they look at it. if your polite they just give you some bull story and quietly file your pictures or tape away never to be heard of again. Nice guys will finish last this time around. 4.Create your own media blitze im sure you bump into ppl when your decorating and they pass by to get a look talk to them-this is the time to be polite- ask them if the would like a look around and after that tell them if they enjoyed it to tell there friends and call the papers. word of mouth is a very powerful thing. 5. do a publicity stunt-on the time up till halloween ill do soething weird to get attention at least 4 times a week. I would play my guitar in the cemetary as mike myers and take song requests from passers. I have get your picture with a monster day if you call the news at my house and give your name ill take a poloroid of you and your fav monster the kids love this they can also get a picture in one of the torture racks to.Finally i get guys or girls to take pictures that igive them and deliver them to a local station or mention my house on radio and in return i have some girls with bathing suits on and guys well built guys with speedos on from my college painted up as zombies pose with them for pictures. For older ppl if they call i give them halloween theme pastries this goes over big. 6make a rally -about 2 years ago the news wouldnt come down so i got 23 of my freinds and we had signs and marched outside the station till they came out and it actually worked. 7 and FINALLY BE VERY PERSISTANT you work your butt off to put this stuff up dont you ? You owe this liitle bit exposure to yourself!!!!If you keep it up some ppl will come down just so youll leave you alone Some of this stuff my sound ridiculous but when everyone within 30 miles knows about your house it will be worth it. AnEuRySm HAVE ANICE DAY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 10:25:35 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 13:18:05 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:46 AM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote: >Mike Marcrum wrote: >> I am not tagging >> anyone with a brand but I do have to say they were all wearing blue >> shirts and blue bandanas on their heads. Enough said on that !!! >> Kathy > >Nothing a good piece of hickory won't cure. > Do you mean to make new "grips"? >:) Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 10:29:08 1996 From: qoe@sna.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) To: Jacqui Young Subject: Too old to trick or treat soapbox Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:58 AM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Lynne, my thirteen year old has been 5'8 1/2" tall for a couple of years now. She 5'6" when she was ten years old, have a heart, just because you're tall doesn't mean you're old. > >Jacqui....stepping down from the soapbox and trying to knock the chip off her shoulder > Yes, I realize that all tall children aren't eighteen. When my brother was 12 and about 4 feet tall his best friend was 12 and 6 feet tall. But I can usually talk to them about their costume and realize their age. Some times I even ask "How old are you?" I would never give a young kid a hard time. Sorry guys, but my experience has been that teenage boys keep trick or treating to the very end of teenagedom(19). As a joke one year my 30 year old brother dressed up and came to the door. He lives clear across town, so I didn't know who it was at first. But like I said after a talking to him I knew it wasn't a tall kid. The only reason I am weary of older kids trick or treating is it is them who usually vandalize while they are out. I want them not coming out another year and smashing pumpkins and tearing down mailboxes. It wasn't a tall ten year that the police bought to my door for vandalizing the neighborhood, but 2 16 year old boys. Also some effort put into a costume shows someone having Halloween spirit. It is the ones with the pillow case over their head that also draw suspicion. OK I have rambled on enough. So, I am a suspicious city dweller. I like to have fun, but I don't want to get hurt just for giving out candy. __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 10:31:15 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:12:39 -0700 (MST) From: Dawn Wilkie To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I was so embarrassed this year. We went trick or treating with new friends and the mom was right up there with the kids holding her bag out. I had encouraged her to dress up because my whole family does, but I would never have even imagained she would trick or treat. They were new to this area and it was my friends and neighbors who got to give me dirty looks. I am still apologizing for her behaivor. Who would of figured? Back to lurk land, thanks for all the ideas. catchyalater, Dawn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 10:44:53 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: Jacqui Young , "'qoe@sna.com'" Subject: RE: Too old to trick or treat soapbox Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:37:34 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Understood, and agreed. I don't care about the age of my trick or treaters, just the intent. Jacqui Yes, I realize that all tall children aren't eighteen. When my brother was 12 and about 4 feet tall his best friend was 12 and 6 feet tall. But I can usually talk to them about their costume and realize their age. Some times I even ask "How old are you?" I would never give a young kid a hard time. Sorry guys, but my experience has been that teenage boys keep trick or treating to the very end of teenagedom(19). As a joke one year my 30 year old brother dressed up and came to the door. He lives clear across town, so I didn't know who it was at first. But like I said after a talking to him I knew it wasn't a tall kid. The only reason I am weary of older kids trick or treating is it is them who usually vandalize while they are out. I want them not coming out another year and smashing pumpkins and tearing down mailboxes. It wasn't a tall ten year that the police bought to my door for vandalizing the neighborhood, but 2 16 year old boys. Also some effort put into a costume shows someone having Halloween spirit. It is the ones with the pillow case over their head that also draw suspicion. OK I have rambled on enough. So, I am a suspicious city dweller. I like to have fun, but I don't want to get hurt just for giving out candy. __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 11:15:04 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 13:09:54 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: robdoc@startribune.com (Robyn Dochterman) Subject: Media coverage of your haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com AnEuRySm wrote: >do a publicity stunt-on the time up till halloween ill do soething >weird to get attention at least 4 times a week. I would play my guitar in >the cemetary as mike myers and take song requests from passers. >I have get your picture with a monster day if you call the news at my >house and give your name ill take a poloroid of you and your fav monster >the kids love this they can also get a picture in one of the torture >racks to. I work at a major metro newspaper. Many, many of the ideas written above are excellent. If I were trying to get some exposure for my haunt, I'd find out the names of the features editor, and the photo editor (BOTH) at my local newspaper. If it's a big metro paper, also send information to the calendar editor. Then, with as much lead time as possible, I'd write, I'd call, and I'd try to meet them if possible. I'd create my own little "press packet" of pertinent information, including how long you've done the haunt, how it got started, how many people visit, even quotes from your neighbors. It sounds obvious, but be sure to include your name, address, phone number, and when they can reach you. Include photos, too. I'd also include an audio tape, as many metro dailies offer audiotext to readers, so they may be able to use it, as well. Many larger papers also have web sites, so they can use photos, audio and video. You may even want to suggest to them that they could do a "digital tour" of your haunt. Now, you've made their job easy, but you haven't told them WHY it's important that they cover you. They will be looking for a number of things they judge "newsworthyness" by: 1. Timeliness. (which you do have) 2. Unusualness. Here's where AnEuRySm's ideas come in. Playing your guitar and taking requests and letting people have their photos taken with monsters is a fabulous idea. These are "dead-on" perfect. How is your haunt different from the others? Is it YOU who makes the haunt? If your personality is what makes the place tick, then suggest they do a profile on you. Do you have a 90-year-old volunteer? Bingo. Quirk is king. Is the electric chair the centerpiece of your haunt? Then make sure they know how interesting, even controversial this is. Also, if you can convince them that covering your haunt is a good way to show a trend (the popularization of Halloween, for instance), you're ahead of the game. 3. Locality. The closer the better, obviously. 4. Most likely, they'll also be trying to answer the question, "How many people does this effect? WHat impact will it have on our readers' lives?" If your haunt attracts a lot of visitors, be sure to play this up. Or if everyone in town is getting into the act as volunteers, then that's your ticket. If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them. Hopes this helps those of you who are looking for more coverage. --Robyn Robyn Dochterman Interactive editor Star Tribune Online Robdoc@startribune.com http://www.startribune.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 11:47:11 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 14:37:28 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Me, obsessive?!? (Forwarding by Request - With Comment) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:58 AM 11/7/96 EST, you wrote: >life-sized models of the Predator, Wait, that's easy, He's invisible!! >:) Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 11:51:41 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 14:40:24 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: No mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:17 AM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >Bill Lewis wrote: >> They are definately worth a look. Bob sent me his total collection, and now >> it looks like I've got a lot of work to do. Absolutely incredible fence. >> I'd put this fence up against ANY professional haunt, the level of detail is >> that good. > >Aw shucks Bill, you're turning my head! :-D > 360 degrees I hope, hey new effect for next year, straight from the exorcist. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 12:52:21 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:35:52 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Since Jeanni and Kathy are talking about group visits to Knotts and Magic Castle, can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? My wife, Catalina, and I have friends in Oakland, Benicia and Petaluma, and we make it up that way at least once a year. Last winter, I was driving between Petaluma and San Diego on average once a week. Along the same line, wasn't someone talking about creating some kind of chart showing how our list members are distributed over North America? Greg in Vista H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 12:56:49 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 15:29:25 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Media coverage of your haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com AnEuRySm wrote some creative ideas and Robyn replied with other useful ones (deleted for brevity)... May I add that often what you hope is written isn't what appears in the paper after all... This isn't a knock on Robyn's profession (my dad was a reporter for years in Kansas and Ohio), but it's often true. Many reporters aim a feature art- icle towards a different audience than you expect. For example: Anytime I see an article about comic books, comic collecting, or about the comic book industry, the "slant" of the article is foreshadowed by it's headline (i.e.: Holy Bodybuilder, Batman! Arnold To Play Mr. Freeze In Next Bat-Sequel!)...or, (Zap! Bam! Cra$h! $otheby'$ $ell$ Comic$ For Ungodly Amount$ Of Ca$h!). Ugh. It's quite embarrassing to collectors or anyone in the business considering that style of headline writing should have gone the way of the Batusi almost 30 years ago now. Not to mention that some writers have their own agenda. I would never, for example, try to promote my haunt to a reporter such as Donna Britt of The Washington Post. She's a fine writer...but I would expect an article more critical than celebratory. (She wouldn't cover something like a haunt - I only use her name since I know what subjects she covers and how she covers them). The key here...and I think either AnEuRySm or Robyn covered it already...is get to know the reporter and do your best to convey what you want to see written. Those comments aside, I think AnEuRySm and Robyn have offered some perfectly wonderful advice. I plan to use some of those very ideas when promoting next year's haunt (and you could never ask for better advice than you can get from someone in the "business," so thanks very much for the professional insight, Robyn!). For those looking to promote their haunt, Robyn has just given you some valuable info! - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 12:58:06 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:35:50 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Re[2]: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I am down in San Diego, so it would be > real easy to go, and I am sure Greg and Brenda might have an interest in > going also! Oooooo, a tour of Southern Cal haunts, what a devilish idea! > > Doug Sparks > dsparks@ligand.com You're right about me, Doug. I've lived in San Diego all my life and have never done Knotts. I'd love to. Because my interest in this seems to be taking a more serious turn, I plan to make a much more comprehensive tour of public haunts in San Diego next season. If you and the locals are interested, we could take in a bunch of 'em as a group. After the new year, perhaps we could plan a lunch or ?? for the seven of us to get acquainted. So far, here is my list of locals on the list: Greg Hope---ghope@csusm.edu---Vista Brenda Lewis---brenda@vta.net---??? Doug Sparks---DSparks@mercury.ligand.com---La Costa Dana Collins---dcollins@fia.net---??? Dianne Parham---DZP@jill.sannet.gov---East County Thomas W Oliver---Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com or oliver@nemesis.saic.com---El Cajon Aaron---greenrey@worldnet.att.net or awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us---North County Regards, Greg H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 13:24:14 1996 From: "Bob Andrews" To: Subject: Re: Northern Californians? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:52:30 -0800 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I seem to remember that someone was mapping the members of this list. I live in Norther California, it would be cool to see where everone else is. Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews ---------- > From: Greg Hope > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Northern Californians? > Date: Thursday, November 07, 1996 12:35 PM > > Since Jeanni and Kathy are talking about group visits to Knotts and Magic > Castle, can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? My > wife, Catalina, and I have friends in Oakland, Benicia and Petaluma, and we > make it up that way at least once a year. Last winter, I was driving > between Petaluma and San Diego on average once a week. > > Along the same line, wasn't someone talking about creating some kind of > chart showing how our list members are distributed over North America? > > Greg in Vista > H (619)945-4424 > F (619)726-2804 > E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 14:28:34 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 16:00:22 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: robdoc@startribune.com (Robyn Dochterman) Subject: Re: Media coverage of your haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu wrote: >Many reporters aim a feature art- >icle towards a different audience than you expect. > You are exactly right, Stu. Sometimes they surprise even me. --Robyn Robyn Dochterman Interactive editor Star Tribune Online Robdoc@startribune.com http://www.startribune.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 14:51:51 1996 From: cloudy@wolfenet.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:38:10 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I can tell how old the kids are regardless of height because the older ones are so brazen they don't even really have much of a costume on! The two 16 year olds had masks on but they were resting them on top of there heads so their faces were in plain view. Most of them don't even bother to say trick or treat anymore. My husband and I made sure our "troll" hiding under the bridge scared him good and then we all had a good laugh! Colleen and Jeff >The Proctors wrote: >> >> Yeah, I've got a tall kid, too. He's 5'8" & just hit 13 last month. (No *serious* >> growing has happened yet, though. Yikes!) I still give candy to tall kids! I know most >> of the ones who go thru our neighborhood (or someone in their group). I just better not >> catch 'em hassling the little kids or shoving the toddlers out of the way on my >> doorstep. >> > >In my local paper, the Tracy (CA) Press, there were several reports of >older kids attacking and stealing candy from younger kids. One child >was beaten with a rake only for his sack. <:-( >-- >Bob Andrews >bandrews@inreach.com >http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 14:52:18 1996 From: cloudy@wolfenet.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:38:06 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Milk jug skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I too would like a set, please! Colleen Schaller 12413 2nd Ave S. Seattle WA 98168 >I'd like a set. > >Greg Edwards edwards@crl.com >41 Ventura St. >Half Moon Bay, Ca 94019 > >thank you >> >> I've received some requests for directions on how to make milk jug skeletons. >> These are pretty simple, _definitely_ cheap, & between 4-5 foot tall. The directions >> come from either the '92 or '93 Oct. issue of Family Fun magazine. (they called it "Mr. >> Bones") I keep a stack of the 1-page directions on hand because people always ask how >> to make them. >> Our family's only quibble with the original skeleton is that he has a dorky head >> & we're going to redesign or replace it with something else this year. My 13 yr. old >> says its not scary enough! They looked really good in blue neon with a black lite this >> year, although I don't think I'll be using the neon painted ones outdoors in the daytime >> again! They're just a little too bright for daylite use now! >> I think the directions make more sense when you see the illustrations on them. >> I haven't got the directions into my computer yet, so at the moment it'd be easier for >> me to just mail them to people the old-fashioned way from the current stack I have. The >> moment I get a decent version of the directions & illustrations (& photos) into the >> computer, I'll let you know. (or if someone else does) Otherwise, anyone who is >> interested, just send me your address (which, after mailing, I swear to promptly trash & >> not use for nefarious purposes whatsoever) and start saving those milk jugs! The >> supplies needed are 8 or 9 one-gallon milk jugs, string, scissors, a glue gun & a 1-hole >> punch. (The amt. of jugs needed is not exact because different brands have different >> amts. of good "surface space" available for use. You'll see...) >> >> karen p. >> cproctor@flash.net >> > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 15:48:01 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:07:19 -0800 From: "John P. Jeffries" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mr. Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok.. one other problem that might be going on..Try this: Go to: http://www.kiva.net Then, if you are able to even hit my server (Kiva homepage) look under BUSINESS for: Mr.Scary Productions. That is a longer route, and the page will be "framed" in, but at least you will be able to se it. If you are unable to hook up to kiva.net, let me know so I can call Kiva and see what the problem might be.. John. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 16:16:38 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:00:37 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Denny Kennedy Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com << Are there commercial haunted houses that operate all year long? Are they economically viable? Do they always have a Halloween theme? Are year-round haunted houses found only as attractions within larger theme parks, i.e. Disneyland? >> I live in Orlando,FL, and at Church Street in downtown Orlando, there is a haunt that I believe is open all year. It's called Terror on Church Street. Denny Kennedy maryjane@sundial.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 16:27:08 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 07:01:08 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu, I just received the most disgusting flame from a member of this list that I am thinking of leaving. I have tried to get hold of Don but he is not home!! I do not want my address or phone number going out to anyone until I find out who this is and why they are doing this to me. Stu if you can help me take care of this problem please email me and tell me what I should do. Fun is fun but threatening someone is still wrong. Kathy mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 16:33:49 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: Domina To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Terror On CHurch St Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I live in Orlando,FL, and at Church Street in downtown Orlando, there is a > haunt that I believe is open all year. It's called Terror on Church Street. > Denny Kennedy > maryjane@sundial.net It's a good one to go to once...anymore than that and it gets old really quick...they don't change much throughout the year and it costs like $10-12 to get in...funny thing is that it's better to go to Terror when its *not* Halloween....you get to walk through yourself then...during the Halloween season you have to follow a guide... It's sposed to be based off of an attraction in London or somewhere... domina | / | \ The full moon, like a spider, lets down her light that / / | \ \ covers the earth, as with a web, and there we mortals \ \_(*)_/ / helplessly struggle, we flies of fate, until the \_(~:~)_/ night devours each one of us.... /-(:)-\ The masquerade is never over... @}>--'--,--- / / * \ \ Listowner: Mortuary Mailing List \ \ / / A Murder of Ravens Mailing List \ / Domina http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~wmg47005/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 17:28:15 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:08:44 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Important! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey All, We have a little (14 year old problem) and Don seems to be unavailable just for the moment. Do not reply to any flame or hate mail you receive originating from juno.com. I have been in phone and fax contact with that server and they have promised to take care of their subscriber who is currently sending flames to a couple of our members. I have also unsubscribed him but there is always a chance he will resubscribe. I'll send an unsubscribe command in every few hours to help keep him off until his server takes over in the morning when their regular tech. staff gets in. Please do not respond to any hate mail you receive, it'll only encourage more. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 18:15:11 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:23:58 -0800 From: Greywolf To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Costume to share. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com qoe@sna.com wrote: > > My husband and I had a trying month with the loss of two family members, BUT > we didn't want to give up on the Halloween party. We needed some fun. We > wanted to be in costume (us being the hosts), but we needed something fast > and easy. Our costumes turned out to be the best. After trying to get a 50 > foot woman costume together, I decided to go with the Bride of Frankenstein. > I'll keep the 50 foot woman idea for a "slimmer" year. :-) I used a witch > wig, a sheet, bandages and face makeup. I looked great and it took 30 > minutes to get ready. My husband went as the invisible man. He used duh, > bandages, sunglasses and pajamas. 30 minutes getting ready there too. > Everyone at the party wished they had thought so simply. I do want to work > on getting some hair that will stand up like the traditional Bride of > Frankenstein. I had thought about quilt batting and trying to dye it. Has > anyone tried this? > __________________________ > |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles > \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com > |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA Lynne; My wife did this a few years back. We got 3 or 4 (I forget) black wigs (shorter haired with tight curls) and pinned them together so that they stood up and tilted a little back. For the streaks we just used silver spray paint. Worked pretty good as I remember. The wigs weren't all that tall so she could still bobby pin them to her hair. -Greywolf From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:07:42 1996 From: GFerris330@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:52:36 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Terror On Church St Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Domina, In a message dated 96-11-07 19:22:33 EST, you write: << It's a good one to go to once...anymore than that and it gets old really quick...they don't change much throughout the year and it costs like $10-12 to get in. >> If you wouldn't mind, could you give us a little description of Terror on Church Street. I've been hearing about it for years but I've never had a chance to catch it. Thanks, Greg in Rochester, NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:13:58 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:59:07 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:01 AM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >Stu, > I just received the most disgusting flame from a member of this list >that I am thinking of leaving. Kathy, I, for one, hope that you hang in there with us. We'll probably never completely escape from the insensitive, the ignorant and the insincere people of this world, but we can usually count on the other 99% to keep them at a distance and to remind us of what decent people are really all about. I and many others would miss your contributions to the group if you decided to leave. Regards, Greg in Vista H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:25:11 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 09:30:07 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new topics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In response to the mummy idea!! Some of us here last night were talking. We were thinking that you could take white cloth and fuse it to a set of white sweat pants and top. That way they will move with you and stay in place, but are easy to get in and out of. That was just a idea that we had. Kathy mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:31:11 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:14:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Now, thanks to a bad attitude, 3 bull terriers, assault rifles, 45 ACP >sidearms and night vision scopes this doesn't happen to me anymore. ;) Gee! I thought all of us 'attitude' guys lived in the deep South! 'course, I tend to prefer wheelguns, m'self. ;-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:32:55 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:20:26 -0700 Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For the spiders dropping en masse, why use the balloon? Merely use a hopper under a string control to tip spiders down to the ground. Use a tube chute from the side to refill or figure out a way to lower the hopper to refill. keep a broom handy to sweep up all the spiders after each group. On another tack, finally got to Don's web page, and finally saw the Flying Crank ghost plans for the first time. (each time I downloaded previously, the pictures never came out :( One change I would make is to mount the crank assembly elsewhere instead of above. Just use a light frame for the 3 pulleys, then bring the cables down to the crank which could be behind something or on the ground or wherever. This makes for no motion up above and a much lighter frame on the ceiling.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:50:01 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:36:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, ignore such idiocy. There were some problems last month with one jerk who seemed to love his Mapquest databank. Don may be back soon, do talk to him about things. You are a fine contributor to the list, much more so than the bandwagoners. Don't leave the list because of the actions of an idiot. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:55:12 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:40:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >One change I would make is to mount the crank assembly elsewhere >instead of above. Just use a light frame for the 3 pulleys, then bring >could be behind something or on the ground or wherever. Harry, Yes, and I believe some folks may have done just this with the setup. I posted the original version because (1) it has been extensively failure-tested and (2) since it is intended to be run in darkness under UV lighting, the mechanism is safe from discovery if painted black. Your comments definitely apply if someone is using low-level visible lighting, and if there is not enough space above the figure to hide the machinery. The only problems that come up in remote-location of the motor platform are in regard to alignment and a slight amount of extra friction - in other words, a bit more tinkering will be required to ensure reliability. Of course, for an experienced haunt-rigger, this is a happy challenge, and not a problem. :-) I never mentioned this posibility, and I am glad you pointed it out. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 19:55:36 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) From: rodney3@juno.com (Rodney G Grantham) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:34:42 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What happened?? There is always some risk in posting e-mail. Save the msg. You might try contacting the ISP unless the person masked which is unfortunately pretty easy to do. I believe it might still be possible to trace it. Rodney rodney3@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2049 On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 07:01:08 -0800 Mike Marcrum writes: >Stu, > I just received the most disgusting flame from a member of this list >that I am thinking of leaving. I have tried to get hold of Don but he >is >not home!! I do not want my address or phone number going out to >anyone >until I find out who this is and why they are doing this to me. Stu if >you can help me take care of this problem please email me and tell me >what I should do. Fun is fun but threatening someone is still wrong. >Kathy >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 20:05:48 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:14:02 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg, I live in Sonoma, so if you were going to Petaluma you went right past!! Next time you are coming this way wave and we can share a cup of coffee!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 20:07:34 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:48:18 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Terror On Church St Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >If you wouldn't mind, could you give us a little description of Terror on >Church Street. I've been hearing about it for years but I've never had a >chance to catch it. > >Thanks, >Greg in Rochester, NY > I, too, would appreciate a description of Terror on Church St. Thanks, also, for responding to my call for commercial haunted houses. Greg in Vista, CA H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 20:44:38 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:15:47 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dropping spiders, was RE: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bowman_Noel wrote: > You electrics people out there--does this sound right? While I am mechanically challenged, my hubby combined his knowledge of electricity and model railroading to respond to this one. He says: "Yep that's right. I would do this by hitting garage sales to find a cheap model train and transformer. By attaching a sewing spool to the electric motor from the locomotive, you can use the train transformer to run the spider up and down. The direction switch on the transformer will switch motor directions and the speed control on the transformer will control the spider's rate of ascent or descent. Plus, all the wiring from the transformer will be low voltage (i.e. non-hazardous). Use zip cord (aka speaker wire) from your friendly neighborhood hardware store to run between the motor and the transformer." If this is clear as mud, let us know and I'll get him to clarify. Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 20:45:07 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:17:18 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dawn Wilkie wrote: >and the mom was right up there with the kids holding her bag out. How else are us old ghoulies supposed to get any candy? <;^) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 20:56:29 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:03:49 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg and All, thank you for your support!! I have received many posts from all of you. It was just such a mean and violent letter that is caught me off guard. Denny has taken care of it and again I thank all of you for your support. Kathy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 7 20:56:30 1996 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Kathy: Tell us all who the jerk is - we'll come up with something appropriate! I'm SURE Denny could help out here... I'm really sorry to hear this, but please, don't leave us over this incident. Dave > Stu, > I just received the most disgusting flame from a member of this list > that I am thinking of leaving. I have tried to get hold of Don but he is > not home!! I do not want my address or phone number going out to anyone > until I find out who this is and why they are doing this to me. Stu if > you can help me take care of this problem please email me and tell me > what I should do. Fun is fun but threatening someone is still wrong. > Kathy > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 04:19:43 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 06:02:21 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:39 PM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hey Kathy: Tell us all who the jerk is - we'll come up with >something appropriate! I'm SURE Denny could help out here... >Dave Kathy (rightfully upset) had contacted me off the list with her concerns. Other members have reported "unusual" mail from him also. We'll see if his server responds properly to my calls and fax and pulls the plug on his account. The people I talked to promised action... we'll see. I'll be calling them again Fri. morning. As of 6:00 am Fri. he still shows up as unsubscribed from the list with his original e-mail address. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 04:24:19 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Greg Hope'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: Northern Californians? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:05:22 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Since Jeanni and Kathy are talking about group visits to Knotts and Magic Castle, can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? My wife, Catalina, and I have friends in Oakland, Benicia and Petaluma, and we make it up that way at least once a year. Last winter, I was driving between Petaluma and San Diego on average once a week. Along the same line, wasn't someone talking about creating some kind of chart showing how our list members are distributed over North America? AND CANADA!!!!!! Guess who? Greg in Vista H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 04:57:23 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Contributors vs. lurkers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:48:21 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com List members: I've debated about writing this for some time. Often I read posts about the REAL HARD CORE list members as opposed to the lurkers or hangers-on. I wonder if you realize how offensive that sounds. I realize that people like me who can offer little more than ideas for "cute" crafts like cross-stitching or maybe send in a pumpkin carving chart aren't on par with people like Stu, or Denny or the other engineer types, but are we less valuable. I've liked to think of this list as someplace to enjoy the love of Halloween. I'm not a techie and sadly neither is my husband, we even had to have our wooden tombstones made by a friend. Still I got more joy out of this Halloween than any previous. My point after all this rambling, is that if you all feel that only the technical types or those who go into haunts in a huge way are valuable then perhaps I'm only kidding myself that I belong on this list. Not that you haven't been polite and certainly a lot of fun, but lately the conversations have been kind of putting some of us down (or perhaps I'm the only oversensitive ghoul on the list). Sorry to complain, but some comments lately have gotten my back up. Stepping down off the soap box, for the second time this week. Jacqui jay From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 06:10:40 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 05:56:22 -0800 From: matt.gomes@ebay.sun.com (Matt Gomes) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey, all, : Since Jeanni and Kathy are talking about group visits to Knotts and Magic : Castle, can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? My : wife, Catalina, and I have friends in Oakland, Benicia and Petaluma, and we : make it up that way at least once a year. Last winter, I was driving : between Petaluma and San Diego on average once a week. I'm in the S.F. Bay Area... but, remember that you have to have a member of the Magic Castle with you (or give you guest passes) to get into the Castle. They won't let you in otherwise... -M (magician) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 06:17:48 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:03:28 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributers vs Lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Today, Jay Wrote (in part): =========================== >I wonder if you realize how offensive that sounds Jay, I agree with your contention that sometimes there is an elitest tone to messaging on this List. However, I believe it is more "human nature", then intentionally done to offend anyone. I think your complaint makes us increasingly aware that words posted are for the entire group, and if not, should be sent privately. Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 06:28:22 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 09:11:56 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui sez: >I've debated about writing this for some time. Often I read posts = >about the REAL HARD CORE list members as opposed to the lurkers or = >hangers-on. I wonder if you realize how offensive that sounds. Please try not to be offended, Jacqui. To me, a lurker is someone who sits back and enjoys the benefits of the posts from the regular contributors. Sometimes that's O.K., some- times people are just taking another's ideas and not bother- ing to post what they know on a subject. In your case, you may feel like a lurker, but you have contributed more than many. Some of the lurkers will eventually do their best to make money off of other's work and ideas. Those are the ones I have problems with. Some writers are offended by the term "hack," others wear it as a badge of honor. >then perhaps I'm only kidding myself that I belong on this list. That's not the case at all. Plenty of people would be quite interested in your crafty ideas. Seems to me the first posts I saw on this list were craft ideas - including cross-stitch patterns in ascii... >Not that you haven't been polite and certainly a lot of fun, but lately >the conversations have been kind of putting some of us down (or perhaps >I'm the only oversensitive ghoul on the list). I've been guilty of sending thinly veiled sarcastic comments about lurkers, but these were usually directed at a particular incident and not the group of subscribers in general. Truly, I think you're taking it too personally. - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 06:44:00 1996 To: Jacqui Young From: William E Rompala Date: 8 Nov 96 9:31:18 Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, I believe that most of the recent discussion was about the people that join _right before_ Halloween and leave right after. The typical 'fad' based fan of Halloween. There is nothing wrong with this, I guess, but myself I am a fanatic (like, I suspect, you are based on some of our posts here ;-) ). I consider us (that intend on staying subscribed year round and _think_ about Halloween year 'round) as 'townies'- those people that inhabit a town that thrives on tourism. Every year, our 'world' becomes inundated with the Halloween 'tourists'. Then they leave and the life of fanaticism year round can begin. ;-) This list is one of those that love Halloween- whether you are like my neighbour and just put out a Halloween welcome mat or are like me and had a display that included a fog machine and blacklight. ;-) My neighbour enjoys Halloween and spent time with me discussing my display this year. Next year, he will probably put out his welcome mat and come over and ask how I got the levitating ghost in the front yard. The big difference between he and I is that I probably need therapy. ;-) He enjoys Halloween and could contribute where he gets his mats- his opinion is just as valid and welcome in this forum, I believe. All of us learn and develop in areas that we are interested in and by sharing our experiences we can develop even more. Enough from me. 358 days and counting. Where did the time go? -W Waiting for the pictures to come back! -=- William Rompala Rompala Consulting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil romwil@netaxs.com rompala_william@jpmorgan.com >My point after all this rambling, is that if you all feel that only the technical types or those who go into haunts in a huge way are >valuable then perhaps I'm only kidding myself that I belong on this list. Not that you haven't been polite and certainly a lot of fun, >but lately the conversations have been kind of putting some of us down (or perhaps I'm the only oversensitive ghoul on the list). From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 06:48:59 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:40:11 GMT From: "SHUNT.EMAIL.VILL.EDU" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: My Fellow Halloweeners Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I would just like to say that I have enjoyed this list, and I have learned many great ideas. I cannot say that I have contributed more than I have learned. But I would not consider myself a "lurker". My feeling is, why tie up the list if I don't have something solid to contribute to a thread? We are dealing with a medium (e-mail) where we never see each other's faces, hear each other's voices, etc. People are "programmed", I believe, to take many cues from the tone of people's voices or the expression on their faces. We have to come up with a new way to express ourselves using e-mail. That is why many people use little smiley faces :), etc. to get their emotions across. Let's not get caught up in arguing over semantics, or who is "hardcore" or who is a "lurker". Let's stick together!! I am sorry to hear about what happened to Kathy, and I am glad that everyone was so supportive of her here on the list. Ok, I just wanted to vent that out. NO FLAMES, PLEASE!!! Let's keep our ideas flowing, not our negative thoughts and feelings. Take care, everyone. Come on! It's Friday!!!! :) Sue H. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 06:49:47 1996 From: ALLAN DAVID Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 09:40:24 -0500 Subject: RE: Contributors vs. lurkers To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com While I understand Stu's comments, I think that Jacqui has raised a good point. I don't know the numbers of list membership, but last I heard it was over a hundred. But, there is a core group of a dozen or so who really contribute the majority of haunt ideas. (I guess it's obvious that I am not in this group of a dozen.) I feel like a lurker, mainly because I just don't have much to add to the discussions. I'm not into this in a professional way, nor even in an amateur way to anywhere near the extent of many "hard core" list members. I believe that there are many others in the same boat: people who want to learn and who gain vicarious pleasure at hearing about others' haunts, but who may not have many new ideas to contribute to the list. If these "lurkers" are like me, they may be a little self-conscious and simply prefer to remain anonymous. Others may contribute what they can. In my own case, I'll post anything I can to try to give *something* (anything!) back to ! the core group who have shared the ir ideas so freely. I know I'm rambling. The bottom line is, I understand Jacqui's sensitivity and experience it myself, and I bet that there are a lot of people who are lurking because they just don't feel they have anything new to add. I bet that there aren't many who just suck up ideas from the list without giving back when they can. I think everyone should be sensitive to the silent majority of list members, and not assume that they are silent because they don't want to contribute to the list. 'Nuff said by me, I'm sure. David dallan@dow.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 07:04:34 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 07:51:02 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:48 AM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >List members: > > I've debated about writing this for some time. Often I read posts about >the REAL HARD CORE list members as opposed to the lurkers or hangers-on. I >wonder if you realize how offensive that sounds. I realize that people like me >who can offer little more than ideas for "cute" crafts Whoa Jacqui, wrong definition of a lurker. You mention Stu and myself as "hardcore" people on the list. Our contributions are no more important than your posts or anyone else's... maybe even less important to the general group. This list is comprised of hundreds of people, each with very different abilities and levels of interest in Halloween. Posts about sewing crafts are just as welcome as posts about certified TIG welding as long as the main subject is Halloween or some aspect of it. A few are considered old timers on the list, in more ways than one. Not too long ago, before you really active people joined in we were lucky at times to see one or two posts a week in the off season. Being an "old timer" isn't necessarily a good thing. A lurker is a person who seldom or never responds to a list, aren't we all lurkers at one time or another? Some of the more active people on the list, whether they are needle point or electronics fanatics, can get a little "bent" at times because some lurkers never offer anything in return for all the hard work being done, but this is common to every social group ever collected together, from mailing lists to PTA organizations. Some folks take an active interest and others are more passive. Hopefully there will always be room for anyone with a genuine interest in Halloween on a public mailing list such as this. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 07:13:08 1996 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributers vs Lurkers Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:03:53 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JBKadel@gnn.com, Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:03:28: >I think your complaint makes us increasingly aware that words >posted are for the entire group, and if not, should be sent >privately. Because of the way the listserver is configured, a "Reply" to any message is sent to the entire readership of the list. It takes manual editting of the headers to reply only to the author. Since I see _lots_ of replies beginning, "Dear so-and-so", I often wonder if people don't realize this, and are broadcasting their replies when they intend them to be personal mail.