:Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 07:23:29 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: Nancy Miller To: Stuart McIntire Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu -- I am one of the lurkers and haven't posted to the entire list alot. What I have done is sent ideas or comments privately to some of list. It's not that I don't think others could benefit from my ideas or comments, it's just I've been on listservs before and know that seeing five billion same ideas posted can get tedious. so something I may think will work, I post privately to that person. And example is the idea how to do Mummy - someone beat me to that idea but I noticed a few others posting it to all. I am much like Jacqi that I am not an engineer but I have gotten lots of good ideas for future Halloweens - I am not the type to take your ideas and sell them. In fact, I'm learning and very appreciative of the technology skill here. Being on this line since September (I just found it) has made me desire to find an organization to volunteer to create a haunted house for. Or at the very least, creative one spooktacular party next year. If some of you are concerned about lurkers stealing your ideas, can you copyright them? I would just hate for the technoids to go to their exclusive line out of fear. I have come to really get turned on by their ideas and would severely miss all the great ideas. This is just my two cents. Not all of us labelled "lurkers" or "barnstormers" are what has been suggested. Honest! I hope this won't be an issue that results on a fractured listserv. Now you have me hooked, I would go through severe withdrawal!! Nancy On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Stuart McIntire wrote: > Jacqui sez: > > >I've debated about writing this for some time. Often I read posts = > >about the REAL HARD CORE list members as opposed to the lurkers or = > >hangers-on. I wonder if you realize how offensive that sounds. > > Please try not to be offended, Jacqui. To me, a lurker is > someone who sits back and enjoys the benefits of the posts > from the regular contributors. Sometimes that's O.K., some- > times people are just taking another's ideas and not bother- > ing to post what they know on a subject. In your case, you > may feel like a lurker, but you have contributed more than > many. Some of the lurkers will eventually do their best to > make money off of other's work and ideas. Those are the > ones I have problems with. > > Some writers are offended by the term "hack," others wear > it as a badge of honor. > > >then perhaps I'm only kidding myself that I belong on this list. > > That's not the case at all. Plenty of people would be > quite interested in your crafty ideas. Seems to me the > first posts I saw on this list were craft ideas - including > cross-stitch patterns in ascii... > > >Not that you haven't been polite and certainly a lot of fun, but lately > >the conversations have been kind of putting some of us down (or perhaps > >I'm the only oversensitive ghoul on the list). > > I've been guilty of sending thinly veiled sarcastic comments > about lurkers, but these were usually directed at a particular > incident and not the group of subscribers in general. Truly, > I think you're taking it too personally. > > - Stu > stuart.mcintire@uage.com > ****************************************** namiller@umich.edu/NPPC/Phoenix Rising, Inc. "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, in 1981 - From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 07:28:05 1996 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 19:16:22 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, As I always say if it wasn't for us untech people ( and we all know that I am one of those!) than the pro's would not have jobs!! Because we would not need them. So see we feed off each other. As for lurkers and thus, I think we are all talking about people that never post and just hang around and absorb. I now when I say something I don't mean it negative, I have been a lurker many of times. So please don't take offense!! I love your posts, I even made a needlepoint hanging for the Haunted House.." Crypt Sweet Crypt" Done in glow in the dark thread with black background!!! So see your posts do help!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 07:56:06 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:08:20 -0700 Subject: RE: Northern Californians? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com How about Socals? I'm in Gardena, next to Torrance a nice (sprawling) suburb of the LA netropolis..... Harry htraver@dreamsys.com harry_traver@cyclone.fnet.org [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 07:58:55 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Sorry! Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:51:51 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry guys. Recent events have conspired to give me a "feeling sorry for Jacqui day" and I guess I should have waited until I was in a generally more positive frame of mind before posting anything anywhere. I would hate to cause a problem on a list I've enjoyed more than I can say. I will post, lurk and enjoy hopefully for years to come (but not today). I've appreciated the positive feedback and it's cheered me up more than you can imagine. But I'm sorry if I've upset anybody. Well this is my last post until I get over my deep blues. Thanks for listening Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:08:22 1996 To: Jacqui Young From: William E Rompala Date: 8 Nov 96 11:00:42 Subject: Re: Sorry! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Well this is my last post until I get over my deep blues. Blue??? What? Hey! You'd better get back to Orange and Black ASAP, sister! ;-) Hope you feel better soon! -W William day: rompala_william@jpmorgan.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:14:26 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 11:03:56 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David writes: >While I understand Stu's comments... Thing is, David, the only people who've mentioned this are ones who I consider somewhat regular contributors! :) As far as I'm concerned, *everyone* has *something* to add. Even if it's a comment or suggestion on a >littletiny< detail. To wit: Last year I posted the results of the haunted house we did (this will be remembered by those who recall my "Vampire Mirror"). There was general discussion about the haunt, but what I will always remember best is the one or two ideas that I *could* have used, but didn't think of. And the ideas wouldn't have cost me a penny. Not one red cent. Which caused me to come up with an idea to enhance the effect that could have been mind-blowing. At least one of those ideas came from a so-called lurker who thought they had nothing of significance to contribute. If you're not contributing because you feel overmatched, or have "nothing to add," well, that's a self-imposed limitation. I don't have the first clue about mechanical or electrical engineering, but I've always had a question, thought, or suggestion for those that do. So don't feel offended, or consider the "regulars" elitists. We're just regular hard-working/family-raising/apple pie Joes (& Josephines) like you. We just have big mouths and a desire to type a lot... :) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:16:22 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:04:42 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributers vs Lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:03 AM 11/8/96, you wrote: >Today, Jay Wrote (in part): >=========================== >>I wonder if you realize how offensive that sounds > >Jay, I agree with your contention that sometimes there is an >elitest tone to messaging on this List. Instead of "elitist tones", many of the people on this list spend hours trying to answer posted questions as honestly as possible only to be met with more veiled questions that doubt the sincerity or truthfulness of the people trying to help. What you may be picking up on is a loss of patience, frustration and a general feeling of -why bother- not an elitist attitude. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:17:12 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:04:46 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Very Important- Flame mail response Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Anyone continuing to receive any type of hate mail or harrasment from should call his provider at 212-478-0800 and register a complaint. Also- anyone who has received flame mail PLEASE forward his message along wih full headers to as soon as possible. I have been in contact with them a number of times but he is still getting mail out. I am also in the process of supplying information to local authorities near Juno's office due to Juno's lack of response. Denny Dahm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:17:12 1996 From: Mark Heinze Subject: Late Halloween update To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It's been a week since Halloween and I thought I would post a bit about my setup. This year was the first we decorated our house. I had a really hard time talking my wife into going all out, so I didn't get everything done that I wanted to, and I had a limited budget. The setup was very simple w/ a single black light and some ghosts cut out of yellow paper and colored w/ florecent markers & crayons. These were hung on the kitchen window which opens onto our rather small porch. I then rigged up 2 pairs of blinking LEDs for the eyes of the ghost. We also had some small ghost cut out which were taped to spiderweb material. We also had 2 jack-o-lanterns w/ candles. I used a 555 timer and a couple of logic chips to create the blink. However, due to time and blowing out a couple of LEDs (I couldn't figure this one out - it's still a puzzle. I kinda suspect my brother got 'em too hot when soldering on the wire.) I ended up with only 4 LEDs (2 ghosts) instead of the planned 8 ghosts. If anyone wants the circuit let me know - the timer triggered the clock on a counting chip, which while not giving a completely random blink it did make 'em blink at different times. This whole circuit was on the kitchen counter and the wires ran out the window. What really made the house was the music and sound. I purchased the excellent CD "Classics from the Crypt" which is classical music associated w/ spooky stuff. If anyone wants a list of the music let me know. This disk had about 72 minutes of music, but I didn't use all the songs so I recorded this on tape. I was also going to mix in some sound effects but my mixer died and messed up those plans. I then moved my 2 speakers to the front windows of the house and set the music so you could hear it at the street. I then used the sound effects tape in a loop on another tape deck and piped this through an amp/speaker combo in the bushes beside the porch. I tried to balance this sound so you didn't hear it until you were near the porch. This worked pretty well. Finally, I had my repaired mixer and mixed a mic over top of the music. My brother was in the house so when tricker-treaters came up they would see what looked like a husband and wife at the door, and then a voice would come across the speakers addressing them, asking the "pirate" or the "pumpkin" or "Casey (our neighbor)" to come in to be eaten by the house or something along those lines. The kids loved hearing something personal, although I don't think any of 'em were particularly frightened. I also tried to build the fog maker using a soldering gun, but failed in my attempt. I just couldn't get the copper tube hot enough. I thought about using the heating element for a hot water heater but chickened out. I'd love to hear more ideas about how to build a fog machine, especially since it would have limited use 1 night out of the year and my wife wouldn't go for the real thing (too much $$$). What really surprised and saddened me was that most of the kids really thought our house was great w/ as little effort as I put into it. I'm hoping each year to add to the display and hopefully start a rivaly w/ the neighbors that I used have when I was growing up - nothing like a haunted street! :-) I know this is pretty long, but here is more ideas from years ago when I started haunting my parents house: I took the gate off of the fence in the back yard and lashed it onto the top of our porch. The theory was after climbing the 24 steps the gate would loudly clang behind the victims and creating fear. This was done w/ a line run through some pulleys and into the house. What I found was the rope ended up brushing against the legs of the trick-or-treaters and that produced a MUCH better effect then the clanging gate. Another idea used was a ghost on a pulley flying down from the top of the porch. This effect wasn't as good because everyone saw the ghost flying before they got to the house, ruining the effect for the next group. I'm looking forward to next year since for my birthday I got the "living" mask and the skull flickering light candle holder on sale at Target. :-) Anyway, just a few ideas to toss out. -mark From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:21:19 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:08:33 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:31 AM 11/8/96, you wrote in part: . 358 days and counting. Where did the time go? >William Rompala Aw geez, I see I'm gonna run out of time again. ;) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:23:56 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 16:03:21 PST From: "Sparks, Doug" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[4]: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You're right about me, Doug. I've lived in San Diego all my life and have never done Knotts. I'd love to. Because my interest in this seems to be taking a more serious turn, I plan to make a much more comprehensive tour of public haunts in San Diego next season. If you and the locals are interested, we could take in a bunch of 'em as a group. After the new year, perhaps we could plan a lunch or ?? for the seven of us to get acquainted. Sounds great, maybe one of us can host it, or if we are all uncomfortable with that, then arrange a lunch somewhere public. (after all, we are mainly fans of the axe-murderer season :> ) Although I am afraid it may have to be either real soon, or sometime in February. I am expecting a present from the stork on Dec. 29th :) So far, here is my list of locals on the list: Greg Hope---ghope@csusm.edu---Vista Brenda Lewis---brenda@vta.net---??? Doug Sparks---DSparks@mercury.ligand.com---La Costa Actually it is: Doug Sparks---Dsparks@ligand.com---Poway Dana Collins---dcollins@fia.net---??? Dianne Parham---DZP@jill.sannet.gov---East County Thomas W Oliver---Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com or oliver@nemesis.saic.com---El Cajon Aaron---greenrey@worldnet.att.net or awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us---North County Regards, Greg H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:24:45 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 15:54:03 PST From: "Sparks, Doug" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, if you have a name of the culprit or anything, we can always go by and rough em up for you. Think of it as sort of a payback :) Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com (I knew I might have SOMETHING to contribute to the list!) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat? Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway Date: 11/7/96 9:15 AM At 07:51 AM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >In my local paper, the Tracy (CA) Press, there were several reports of >older kids attacking and stealing candy from younger kids. One child >was beaten with a rake only for his sack. <:-( >-- >Bob Andrews True story- When I was very small (5 or so) I had my bag of candy stolen by an older kid after dark, I cried for hours. As soon as I got home my older brother went looking for the kid and my parents went to the store and bought me a replacement bag of candy. Now, thanks to a bad attitude, 3 bull terriers, assault rifles, 45 ACP sidearms and night vision scopes this doesn't happen to me anymore. ;) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:25:46 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 10:16:29 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: robdoc@startribune.com (Robyn Dochterman) Subject: Re: Dropping spiders, was RE: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This is wonderful. Thank you to those who suggested these ideas. I'll get to work on them and see what I can do. --Robyn >Bowman_Noel wrote: >> You electrics people out there--does this sound right? >While I am mechanically challenged, my hubby combined his knowledge of electricity and >model railroading to respond to this one. He says: "Yep that's right. I would do this >by hitting garage sales to find a cheap model train and transformer. By attaching a >sewing spool to the electric motor from the locomotive, you can use the train >transformer to run the spider up and down. The direction switch on the transformer will >switch motor directions and the speed control on the transformer will control the >spider's rate of ascent or descent. Plus, all the wiring from the transformer will be >low voltage (i.e. non-hazardous). Use zip cord (aka speaker wire) from your friendly >neighborhood hardware store to run between the motor and the transformer." > >If this is clear as mud, let us know and I'll get him to clarify. > >Debbie > Robyn Dochterman Interactive editor Star Tribune Online Robdoc@startribune.com http://www.startribune.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:35:36 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:27:10 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >My point after all this rambling, is that if you all feel that only the technical types or those who go into haunts in a huge way are valuable then perhaps I'm only kidding myself that I belong on this list. Not that you haven't been polite and certainly a lot of fun, but lately the conversations have been kind of putting some of us down (or perhaps I'm the only oversensitive ghoul on the list). Jacqui, I admit that I'm only a recent addition to this group, but here are my feelings. This or any group is what the members make of it. Part of the fun, value and significance of bringing people together is the world of possibilities that results. A person with a techie's background might not necessarily see Halloween (and the world, for that matter) through the same eyes as you. You don't have to be an electrical engineer to be an involved, supportive and active member of a group like this. Your comments help direct people's thoughts in new and interesting ways. Remember, not every visitor to a haunted house is an electrical engineer; so can an engineer claim to be a "typical" visitor as he or she mulls over what might or might not be appealing? Finally, (yeah, yeah, Greg, finish already) don't come down on those members who celebrate the holiday with handicrafts. I'd be willing to bet that you speak for a greater number of mainstream Halloweeners that you realize. You've gotten some neat ideas from the techies and the techies have gotten some important perspectives from you - this is the kind of give and take the makes this or any group a success. You asked "contributor or lurker?" Anyone in this group can check his or her inbox, count the contributions from Jacqui and answer this question. Is the name of this list Halloween or Tech? Jacqui and other crafters, don't go! Greg on Handcrafted Soapbox H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:35:41 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:27:13 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Contributors v. Lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com A final word from me on this topic - I promise. I have made the decision to conduct some background research for a commercial haunted venture in my local region. It should go without saying that this group, every member included, will be an invaluable resource for this undertaking. It's true that I will be directing some pointed questions to members with a business interest and to the "veterans," but I am (hopefully) counting on opinions and criticism from ALL members of the group regarding ideas that pop up. I would be a fool to consider a venture like this and then to limit my market research to people with a technical leaning. Right now, the most sensible way for me to learn about what appeals to Halloweenophiles from all walks of life is to be an active member of this list. I hope to learn more about everyone's likes and dislikes regarding haunted houses, but can't expect to do that unless I contribute myself and keep the discussion alive. Moral: whether you're a butcher, a baker or special effects maker, your opinions and insights are important and needed. Once again, thanks to everyone (and I mean everyone) for helping to make this a great group. This is a terrific example of what is truly good about the Internet - it's not just a network of computers, it's a network of people. Regards, Greg in Vista H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 08:41:32 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:25:22 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Sorry! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:51 AM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry guys. Recent events have conspired to give me a "feeling sorry for Jacqui day" and I guess I should have waited until I was in a generally more positive frame of mind before posting anything anywhere. I would hate to cause a problem on a list I've enjoyed more than I can say. I will post, lurk and enjoy hopefully for years to come (but not today). > >I've appreciated the positive feedback and it's cheered me up more than you can imagine. But I'm sorry if I've upset anybody. Well this is my last post until I get over my deep blues. Hey Jacqui, get feeling better. I appreciate you "stirring" up the list a little, no need to apologize. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 09:20:51 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:11:05 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Late Halloween update Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If anyone wants a list of the music let me >know. This disk had about 72 minutes of music, but I didn't use all the >songs so I recorded this on tape. Hi, Mark. Yes, I'd be interested in hearing more about this disk. Thanks, Greg H (619)945-4424 F (619)726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 09:57:50 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 11:45:13 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:54 PM 11/7/96 PST, you wrote: > Denny, if you have a name of the culprit or anything, we can always go by > and rough em up for you. Think of it as sort of a payback :) > > Doug Sparks Hey Doug, thanks for the offer. The guy is probably in late 40's now, if I ever find him I think I can handle it. ;) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 10:25:12 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:17:17 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com William wrote: << Now....if we could train _live_ ones to crawl in there.....hmmm.. ;-) >> I saw television coverage of a Las Vegas Haunt (don't remember where..maybe, MGM Grand) in which they had flown in HUNDREDS of the South American Giant Beetles to use in their haunt. Evidently they make a loud hissing noise, which the unsuspecting haunt victims would hear first, then see them (behind plexiglass enclosure, however). All the plexiglass in the world wouldn't get me in there....yeeccchhhhhh! Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 10:25:17 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:17:09 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry wrote: << Jeanni, you live in LA and you have NEVER been to Knotts Scary Farm? For shame! >> :-( please forgive my transgression, harry... I knew if I owned up to that, you'd give me some..flak!! But what better way to finally see it than with a Professional Hauntier (my own word) ?? I really think it would be a lot of fun doing Knotts & Magic Castle with a big group. Probably the most difficult problem to overcome will be deciding on the best day and time for everyone - keeping in mind everyone's individual haunts and halloween parties to attend to as well! BTW, I did not mean to exclude the San Diegan group...(was thinking more in terms of me going up north) - but if the Northern Californians come south, and the Southern Californians come north, we should end up with a fairly good size group. For that matter, ANYONE interested should jump in here...we have almost a whole year to figure it all out, so if any of you were thinking of heading out West in the coming year, maybe you could schedule your travel, say... sometime in October??? Are Harry and I the only Los Angelenos here???? Jeanni (properly shamed) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 10:25:28 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:17:22 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat soapbox Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lynne wrote: <> Hi Lynne-- I'm sorry to say I agree with you .... the teenagers I got (lots of them) were cocky and obnoxious types, mostly no costumes and many without anything to put the *treats* in - instead of a pillowcase, they just lifted the bottom of their shirts to form a pocket or zipped the bottom of their jackets and you were expected to drop the candy in their clothes... I even had a few adults do this!!! I just remembered one of the cuter comments tho (one of the incentives to continue despite the *down* sides) from a little girl who was just awestruck by everything --- "Wow, you are such COOL parents!!" I'm still smiling. I have arrived. We were also fortunate that no one trashed our stuff tho, due in part to my 6'5" husband - plus we closed and locked our gate at about 10PM. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 10:26:08 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:17:22 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: John Jeffries haunt review - LONG! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Roger reviewed John's haunt and said: << Next down the hall, the living spirit wall. I knew how it was done, but just as I tried to touch it, it was hard! Major surprise! (More on this later). >> << He also showed me the secret of the "suddenly hard" living wall, but I'll let him tell you what it is! >:)>> OK John...I've been waiting patiently...... (did I miss it??) Jeanni ;D From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 10:30:54 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:18:53 -0500 (EST) From: Nancy Miller To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween Classics Disk Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mark, could you include me on that disk info? I would greatly appreciate it! Nancy ******** namiller@umich.edu On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Greg Hope wrote: > If anyone wants a list of the music let me > >know. This disk had about 72 minutes of music, but I didn't use all the > >songs so I recorded this on tape. > > Hi, Mark. Yes, I'd be interested in hearing more about this disk. > > Thanks, > Greg > H (619)945-4424 > F (619)726-2804 > E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu > ****************************************** namiller@umich.edu/NPPC/Phoenix Rising, Inc. "I cannot be bought... but I can be rented." From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 10:36:58 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:23:13 -0500 (EST) From: Domina To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > List members: I have to speak out here - one of my dearest friends left this list for the above reason. the 'techies' persecuted her for not being on their level until she finally left. she is more into halloween than you could possibly imagine (it was her wedding day fer cryin out loud) and it's a shame that she was chased off the list for not knowing as much as some....I've been able to avoid feeling like her very easily - I just never post. Domina | / | \ The full moon, like a spider, lets down her light that / / | \ \ covers the earth, as with a web, and there we mortals \ \_(*)_/ / helplessly struggle, we flies of fate, until the \_(~:~)_/ night devours each one of us.... /-(:)-\ The masquerade is never over... @}>--'--,--- / / * \ \ Listowner: Mortuary Mailing List \ \ / / A Murder of Ravens Mailing List \ / Domina http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~wmg47005/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:00:18 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:37:35 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Domina wrote: > > > List members: > > I have to speak out here - one of my dearest friends left this list for > the above reason. the 'techies' persecuted her for not being on their > level > until she finally left. she is more into halloween than you could possibly > imagine (it was her wedding day fer cryin out loud) and it's a shame that > she was chased off the list for not knowing as much as some....I've been > able to avoid feeling like her very easily - I just never post. > > Domina You said "persecuted" and "chased". Was this done to her directly? Nobody has the right to chase anyone away from this list. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:00:29 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:43:18 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Harry, We are here in Cypress (northern Orange County). We are about 10 minutes from Knotts Berry Farm and 15 Minutes from Disneyland. Steve and Lori Mufasa1023@aol.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Northern Californians? Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 11/8/96 8:43 AM How about Socals? I'm in Gardena, next to Torrance a nice (sprawling) suburb of the LA netropolis..... Harry htraver@dreamsys.com harry_traver@cyclone.fnet.org [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:03:11 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:48:11 -0600 (CST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: summing up our haunt (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, Fellow Ghouls! I'm finally recovered enough after the big night to ramble about what we did this year for our 6th annual "Nightmare on Elliott Street" benefit for St. Jude Children's Hospital. We had literally hundreds of visitors and collected around $878 in donations for St. Jude's. Not a fortune of course, but still not too bad for two bumblers like my husband and me. Okay. Here's the run down: Cemetery: We had a hearse "driven" by a skeleton and lighted by a color wheel. The back was open and two skeletons were seated on the tail gate. Coffin with rotting corpse was on the ground behind. Another rotting corpse on the ground was surrounded by wiggling snakes. (My favorite was the one which darted in and out of the mouth via the print mechanism from an old adding machine.) Raven with LED eyes perched on one tombstone. Grim Reaper (live neighbor drafted for the evening) wandered the scene and was responsible for operating the fog machine. The fog was great! Thanks, guys, for all the info on the ice chest cooling method and the venting advice. "Bossy's Butcher Shop": "Mad Cow" behind the counter. We borrowed the premise for this from a friend with a commercial haunt, so I'm not too comfortable posting his ideas. Some of the things we added were one of those cheap-o wiggling hands in an old sausage grinder (made a couple of little ones cry with this one) and a mechanical beating heart on scale which made the scale bounce around nicely. "Insane prisoner": Another neighbor drafted to sit in cell made with a couple of refrigerator boxes and PVC bars painted black. He did a great job interacting with the crowd and gobbling "brains" made in the jello mold. The raspberry sauce added a nice touch. "Flying Ghost": All the credit here goes to Doug. We followed his plans and the result was *great*! A real crowd pleaser. I hope to post pictures of this later. Thanks, Doug! "Werewolf": Man who changed into werewolf and back via "Pepper's Ghost" illusion. A tape of wolf growls added some extra creepiness. "Baby Bones": an inexpensive prop bought last year at Wal-Mart. Cute little fabric skeleton about 3 feet tall whose eyes light up and body shakes when someone speaks through the attached microphone. We made a little stage for him and another of our neighbors was drafted to hide behind the curtain and chat with the visitors. The little ones really loved this. (Are you starting to be glad you're *not* one of our neighbors?) Black light display: lots of stuff here. Large styrofoam skull painted with glow paint and spinning on old record player. Florescent spiral spinning on another. Spider webs (ripped up cheese cloth dipped in Tide) glowed well. Assorted spiders, bugs, etc. Various phrases written in florescent paint. "Til Death Do Us Part": quickie filler made with bride and groom skeleton who "danced" via battery operated baby swing mechanisms. Pumpkin Carving Contest: our first try at this. Had 14 or so entries. Pumpkins were displayed along with donation cans for St. Jude's. The vampire responsible for overseeing them encouraged visitors to vote for the winner by making donations in the appropriate cans. (He also upset a few youngsters with his questions about their blood types. heh heh!) The two pumpkins which received the most donations each received a $50 savings bond (contributed by a friend). All together, the pumpkins raised $154 of our overall donations. Not bad for the first year. Various fillers: too numerous to list. Silly little signs, monsters made in previous years lighted by strobe lights, vampire whose fangs dripped blood, faces with LED eyes I made for the trees, 15 pumpkins we spent two days carving decorating the porch, etc. Well, I'm probably leaving something out, but out of consideration for you fine folks that have read this far, I'll stop here. If anybody has any questions or suggestions, send'em my way. I'm always ready to conspire with fellow haunters. Now I'm going to lie down peacefully on the sofa until this need to box up body parts and carry them to the attic passes. Regards, DJ, who thinks the scariest part of Halloween is cleaning up afterwards From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:36:47 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:28:40 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: My Fellow Halloweeners Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sue said: << We are dealing with a medium (e-mail) where we never see each other's faces, hear each other's voices, etc. People are "programmed", I believe, to take many cues from the tone of people's voices or the expression on their faces. We have to come up with a new way to express ourselves using e-mail. That is why many people use little smiley faces :), etc. to get their emotions across. >> Sue, I think you hit on a large part of the problem. I have seen (read) other instances on this list of disagreements between listmembers, where it appeared to me that they erupted unnecessarily. Not being party to it-that's easy for me to say. But sometimes I think when we *read* as you mention, without the benefit of hearing or seeing expressions or other visual cues, it is difficult not to be offended, even when that was never the intent of the member. I think it is simply a consequence of various writing styles, misinterpretations and possibly being a little oversensitive (I can say that because I am considered the *Queen* of oversensitivity in my house!). My $.02. Hope I haven't offended anyone....:) Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:37:13 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:28:49 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I would probably lurk just for the laughs I get from the likes of these guys....if I was the quiet type :D - Jeanni << . 358 days and counting. Where did the time go? >William Rompala Aw geez, I see I'm gonna run out of time again. ;) Denny >> and << We're just regular hard-working/family-raising/apple pie Joes (& Josephines) like you. We just have big mouths and a desire to type a lot... :) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com>> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:39:17 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:22:25 -0500 (EST) From: Lucien Desar To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Terror On CHurch St Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Domina wrote: > its *not* Halloween....you get to walk through yourself then...during the > Halloween season you have to follow a guide... > It's sposed to be based off of an attraction in London or somewhere... > > domina Actually it is a type of franchise I think, they have them all over the world, one in London, Japan, Australia, and a few others. They are very professional in makeup and effects which I guess a person should expect for the price. Once scene they had there was a scene from 'Silence of The Lambs" and the prisoner was behind a jail cell and gripping the bars trying to reach for the people walking through. I was interested in the set and his makeup so I decided to look closer away from his grasp , when suddenly he rips the entire bars off and slams it into the wall causing me to almost swallow my own tongue ! I guess they had sawed the jail cell to make it removable but you couldn't tell in the light setting, very unexpected especially the crash of the bars being ripped out and crashed in the walls ! Lucien From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 11:52:02 1996 From: tforsythe@tcmail.frco.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:39:19 -0600 To: "Halloween-L" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This is late but you can use it next year: ******************* HALLOWEEN SURVIVAL GUIDE ------------------------ * When it appears that you have killed the monster, *never* check to see if it's really dead. * If you find that your house is built upon or near a cemetery, was once a church that was used for black masses, had previous inhabitants who went mad or committed suicide or died in some horrible fashion, or had inhabitants who performed satanic practices in your house move away immediately. * Never read a book of demon summoning aloud, even as a joke. * Do not search the basement, especially if the power has just gone out. * If your children speak to you in Latin or any other language which they should not know, or if they speak to you using a voice which is other than their own, shoot them immediately. It will save you a lot of grief in the long run. NOTE: It will probably take several rounds to kill them, so be prepared. * When you have the benefit of numbers, *never* pair off and go it alone. * As a general rule, don't solve puzzles that open portals to Hell. * Never stand in, on, above, below, beside, or anywhere near a grave, tomb, crypt, mausoleum, or other house of the dead. * If you're searching for something which caused a noise and find out that it's just the cat, *leave the room immediately if you value your life.* * If appliances start operating by themselves, move out. * Do not take *anything* from the dead. * If you find a town which looks deserted, it's probably for a reason. Take the hint and stay away. * Don't fool with recombinant DNA technology unless you're sure you know what you are doing. * If you're running from the monster, expect to trip or fall down at least twice, more if you are of the female persuasion. Also note that, despite the fact that you are running and the monster is merely shambling along, it's still moving fast enough to catch up with you. * If your companions suddenly begin to exhibit uncharacteristic behavior such as hissing, fascination for blood, glowing eyes, increasing hairiness, and so on, get away from them as fast as possible. * Stay away from certain geographical locations, some of which are listed here: Amityville, Elm Street, Transylvania, Nilbog (you're in trouble if you recognize this one), the Bermuda Triangle, or any small town in Maine. * If your car runs out of gas at night, do not go to the nearby deserted-looking house to phone for help. * Beware of strangers bearing tools such as chainsaws, staple guns, hedge trimmers, electric carving knives, combines, lawnmowers, butane torches, soldering irons, band saws, or any device made from deceased companions. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:04:18 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:54:46 -0600 (CST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Domina wrote: > > > List members: > > I have to speak out here - one of my dearest friends left this list for > the above reason. the 'techies' persecuted her for not being on their > level until she finally left. I am both puzzled and disturbed to hear this. I was overjoyed to find this list a couple of months ago, and just jumped in and felt right at home. I've found everyone to be friendly, supportive, and most generous with their expertise. Even my incessant questions about fog chilling were patiently answered time and time again. I've never seen anyone "persecuted" for not being a techie. Was there some private email that upset your friend? Please... let her know that no harm was meant by us ghouls and we'd love to have her back if she chooses. And please feel free to post your own thoughts and questions. You may find that for a bunch of deranged monster makers, we're really quite harmless. Regards, DJ, who's only semi-techie herself but has felt welcome since her first post From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:05:32 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 11:44:13 -0800 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Californians? To: halloween-l@edsug.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>Subject: RE: Northern Californians? *>Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet *>Date: 11/8/96 8:43 AM *> *> *>How about Socals? I'm in Gardena, next to Torrance a nice (sprawling) *>suburb of the LA netropolis..... *> I'm in Anaheim, if that counts for anything...;) -bill rothe rothe@ug.eds.com -- <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> | "We do not stop playing because we've grown old. | | We grow old because we've stopped playing." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS **| <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:12:04 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 23:55:44 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm in Dixon. As some may recall, I hosted a gathering of a few N. Cal. haunters in Sept. It was fun and infomative. Rather than wait until so close to Halloween, perhaps we could do a few N. Cal. haunters group get togethers a couple of times during the year. What say you? I still owe Don a meal and a watermelon! Rick Hill rrhill@ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:14:56 1996 From: "D. Joseph Creighton" Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:03:29 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the last exciting episode, Domina wrote: } I have to speak out here - one of my dearest friends left this list for } the above reason. the 'techies' persecuted her for not being on their } level until she finally left. Um, I'm hardly a techie and could qualify as a known-lurker, but in the two or three years that I've been on this list, I've never seen anyone truely persecuted for not being as technolgically saavy as another. I suspect that some individuals are more sensitive to comments that are made, especially given the impersonal nature of any list and the impossibility of giving inflection, body language, or other cues to a statement that may lack seriousness or may contain subtle humour. Remember that not everyone has caught on to the nature of smilies either. } ... I just never post. } } Domina I've seen that spider .sig of yours before, so that's a bit of an extreme statement. I think we're going to have to revoke your Lurking License. ;) - Joe -- "_Normal_ is just a setting on your dryer." -- Patsy Clairmont http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP]\ Sr. Programmer, DB Support: Administrative Systems Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:17:29 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:48:17 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:23 PM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >> List members: > >I have to speak out here - one of my dearest friends left this list for >the above reason. the 'techies' persecuted her for not being on their >level until she finally left.... Perhaps you should give some examples of how techies "persecuted" and "chased" her off the list. Some details would be very helpful and much less inflammatory than broad, accusative generalizations. Was Don Bertino the list owner notified of this harassment? Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:20:14 1996 From: "Jim Baggett" To: Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:07:42 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ---------- From: Jacqui Young I'm the only oversensitive ghoul on the list). ---------- Jacqui, No you are not the only oversensitive ghoul on the list as many remember I'm sure I qualified not long ago. I know I'm late telling how our Halloween went but between the party and visiting in-laws I was DEAD tired. Pun intended. It rained here all day up till about 2:30. And since we do a haunted forest for the kids and the property behind us where the forest is is not ours Jim got a late start getting the props out. We have four kids rangeing in age from 4 to 15 and let each invite several of their friends. As I'm sure you can imagine this makes for a confusing party. But it all worked out. We used the Crank Ghost in the graveyard. It was a big hit. We also had a coffin up on end that as they approched a strobe light went on, the coffin opened and a skeleton came out and came down the path toward them. Trashcan trauma was also a scream. We used what we call pop up ghost. They are just cheese cloth glued over a balloon. We then fasten fishing line to the top run the line through pulleys and to a handle. We painted grocery bags black and put the ghost in them. As our victims get to a certain point the handle is jerked and the ghost come flying out of the bags and at them. As cheesy as these ghost are they always scare even the oldest in the group. We also had several little scares along the way. I have a thunderstorm here so I will have to get off here now. But I did want to let the list know that the ideas we got from you all really added to the forest. I do have a couple of, what I think are good things, planned for next year and will share these with you after the storm. Thanks for being here, Charmaine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:22:45 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Classics Disk Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mark , I think you might as well just post it!! another metoo Dave > > If anyone wants a list of the music let me > > >know. This disk had about 72 minutes of music, but I didn't use all the > > >songs so I recorded this on tape. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:28:03 1996 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:17:58 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Toward a More Useful Archive -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I have tried to make the time to do the whole archive in this manner as a "gift" to the group. Splitting the task would make this alot easier. I'm ready, Don. >Sounds like a workable idea. Whadda ya say Don?? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- >Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 >Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 >Bldg 64 Code 111RA >Crane, IN 47522 > >INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil > >Supporting the Fleet through Supply! > >>>> Jim Kadel 11/6/96 11:16 am >>> >After trying to find something in the '96 Halloween-L archive recently, I >had an idea. Perhaps, if Don >Bertino would manage the activity, we [those interested in providing a >more useful archive] could >volunteer to take the RAW text and condense it around a single topic. By >condense, I mean remove >any repeated text, and extraneous internet message trailers. > >Thus by volunteering, Don might assign say the topic: "Spark Gaps, >Lightning Effects". It would >then become my job, from all 1996 text, to search and condense anything >related to this topic. I'd >then Email it back to Don, now in condensed form for his review and posting. > >What do you think? > >Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) > Richard Hill Information Systems Manager Office Phone: (916) 757-3002 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 757-3010 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu Until May 1997, I'm also Interim Computer Shop Manager Office Phone: (916) 752-6391 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 752-2206 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:46:57 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:27:36 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians or Nebraskans? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui Young wrote: can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? I'm still looking for fellow Nebraskans on the list. Would any of you guys from California consider relocating? Halloween in the snow can be very invigorating. Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:47:19 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:13:12 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: John Jeffries haunt review - LONG! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JeanniSkip@aol.com wrote: > > OK John...I've been waiting patiently...... (did I miss it??) > Me too! Me too! Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:48:36 1996 From: R4M2J1@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:39:49 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Vampire bat Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I found a great looking vampire bat from Galaxy Toys, it has 19" poseable wings and cost $14.95. I found it at Learning Express (Not sure if there franchised country wide?). Now to think of a way to swoop it down upon unsuspecting hallweeners! Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:54:23 1996 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: summing up our haunt (long) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 15:45:33 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com dejay@mail.midwest.net, Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:48:11 -0600 (CST): [EXCELLENT description of "Nightmare on Elliott Street" deleted ] >DJ, who thinks the scariest part of Halloween is cleaning up afterwards Ditto! Just last night I _finally_ finished cleaning up after my Halloween party. I'd been piling stuff in the back bedroom; with the random skeletons and chandeliers lying about, it looked like the Addams Family's junkyard. Two friends active in community theatre were comparing notes and trying to figure out which had the bigger set budget: My party, or the play they were in. My party won. :^) Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 12:55:10 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 15:43:58 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributers vs Lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Could this subject be feeding off of Post Halloween "let down" Sydrome? Any psychology majors in the house? Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:01:55 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Persecution? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:34:48 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just for the record, although I've tried to stay out of this since I (while in a really crabby state) started this thread, I have NEVER been PERSECUTED by anyone on this list. Everyone on this list has always been really helpful, sweet and most important to me at least humourous. I will not go into again, why I thought people were being a little too hard on lurkers, but let me tell you I've received a lot of posts, both through the list and personally telling me sorry, or don't take things the wrong way and I'm working on the oversensitivity of a bad day . I'm working my way out of a mean case of the grumpies and inadvertently caused problems for everyone. Please guys, get on with the good stuff and then I can stop feeling guilty as well as grumpy. Jacqui (who should have kept her big mouth shut) jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:20:43 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:10:32 -0500 (EST) From: Nancy Miller To: Halloween Listserv Subject: Any SE Michiganians Interested In Creating a Haunted Something Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What with all the Northern Californian talk. I am putting out a call to see if there are any SE Michiganians who might like to work on a Haunted something for next October. I have "met" other Michiganians, Rob Freeman and David Allan. Great guys! I just wondered if there are more of us 'ganders and if there is any interest. Email me privately if you want to help cut down on the bandwidth. Or publicly - we could try and give the North Californians a run for their money! I am bound and determined to utilize all these great ideas in some capacity. I would like to do it for some worthy organization. Let me know. Yea Michigan! ****************************************** namiller@umich.edu/NPPC/Phoenix Rising, Inc. "Clean, dependable, hard working....good god what kind of monster have I become?" From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:39:10 1996 From: qoe@sna.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:46:16 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com No Jacqui you aren't the only one who has felt this way. I contribute when I can, but I am a techie wannabe. I haven't felt unwanted on the list, but the occasional jabs at those of us less technical have been made me wonder too if I should stay on the list. Especially, when the suggestion for a Halloween hardcore group was relayed. I AM considered hardcore in my group of friends. And some day I hope to have a few technical gismos. That is why I stay with this group to learn. I am hoping we can all learn from each other. __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:39:13 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:28:56 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Tracy Miller Subject: Re: Northern Californians or Nebraskans? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:27 PM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >Jacqui Young wrote: > >can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? > >I'm still looking for fellow Nebraskans on the list. Would any of you >guys from California consider relocating? Halloween in the snow can be >very invigorating. > >Debbie > I'm in Berkeley! Move? Never! I like gridlock and paying atrociously high rent. Tracy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:39:12 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 15:28:19 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Vampire Mirror Enhancement Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a completely unrelated (but nonetheless important) thread, Stu mentioned the Vampire Mirror effect and a "mind-blowing" enhancement to it. Long, long ago I promised to write up an idea I had to also enhance the Vampire illusion, but then, due to a sudden lack of time (taking my wife to numerous doctor visits) and finances (bills from the aforementioned visits), I never followed through. :( Maybe we're thinking of similar enhancements. If not, then... Heck, here's my idea, I'd love to hear yours... (For the new members, the Vampire Mirror is an illusion where a person stands in front of a mirror but they have no reflection. It's accomplished by using an empty mirror frame and a duplicate area or room - depending on the scope of the presentation - which is arranged as a mirror image of the original room. The viewer looks through the empty frame into the extra room thinking that they are looking at the reflection of the main room. Check out the archives at http://www.calweb.com/~bertino ...OK enough background, on to the fun stuff.) My idea is to put the mirror back in the frame but have it slide to one side on a track behind the dividing wall. This lets the person have a reflection and then lose it when the mirror is slid to the side. To further enhance the effect, have the silvering on the mirror gradually decrease from one side to the other (remember my babbling about the Blue Room illusion a while back?) so that it is mirror on one end and clear on the other with a transition area in between. If you can control the angles enough (and enjoy doing tons and tons of Geometry...) you can even have the viewers able to see their own reflections in the mirror and NOT be able to see the performer's. The problem is every time the room configuration changes, all the math and angles need to be recomputed. :( I call my new version a Sussicran Frame. ...Assuming, of course, that it's original and I have any right whatsoever to assign a name to it. :) (BTW, if anyone knows of a verifiable example of someone already doing this, please let me know. I have a phobia about claiming originality for something that's actually just a "reinvention" of another's idea.) This is just the barest, roughest, most-unfleshed-out germ of an idea. I wanted to work out lots of details (like the best way to move the mirror) and add some more "convincers" (little touches that complete the illusion in the viewers' minds), but we slipped into medical limbo and I couldn't seem to get it done. (She's fine, BTW. Thanks. I know some of you actually care about such things.) Anyway, there's lots of details in my mind that can be added to this (and perhaps a few that NEED to be added just to make the blasted thing work :), but this at least lets you know the general idea I have in mind. So what's your enhancement idea? Anything similar? I'd love to hear any (non-combustible) thoughts on the topic. David J. Kiihne - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:42:43 1996 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:34:29 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com, Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:48:17 -0600: >Perhaps you should give some examples of how techies "persecuted" and >"chased" her off the list. Some details would be very helpful and much less >inflammatory than broad, accusative generalizations. Meta-comment: If someone is sufficiently "sensitive", this type of straightforward statement is apt to be taken as a personal attack. It's all in how you interpret things, and some people are far more likely than others to project unkind intent and assume the worst. :Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:46:20 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:34:24 -0500 (EST) From: Domina To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > You said "persecuted" and "chased". Was this done to her directly? > Nobody has the right to chase anyone away from this list. I honestly deleted most of the messages - I wasn't paying any attention...but she told me after seh left that she was chastised directly by memebers (whether this was on or off list I'm not sure) for trying to be helpful...I recall her one instance of her offering some screen savers or somethign to the list and she got jumped on because OTHER people didn't realize they should respond to her privately and not to the list. Now, the debate was that she was in the wrong because her email addy didnt appear in her sig - netiher does mine and I've never been yelled at for it..and I'm archaic and use pine anyway so I always see the address of the person who posts..so I don't need to see email addys in sigs... it might have been a lack of communication somewhere but this topic *has* come up before so I just wanted to mention her.. domina | / | \ The full moon, like a spider, lets down her light that / / | \ \ covers the earth, as with a web, and there we mortals \ \_(*)_/ / helplessly struggle, we flies of fate, until the \_(~:~)_/ night devours each one of us.... /-(:)-\ The masquerade is never over... @}>--'--,--- / / * \ \ Listowner: Mortuary Mailing List \ \ / / A Murder of Ravens Mailing List \ / Domina http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~wmg47005/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:50:49 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 13:41:45 PST From: "Sparks, Doug" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: I am finally able to post{long}!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oh damn, in Plexiglas? I was hoping to see them run around the floor! :) Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: I am finally able to post{long}!! Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway Date: 11/8/96 10:27 AM William wrote: << Now....if we could train _live_ ones to crawl in there.....hmmm.. ;-) >> I saw television coverage of a Las Vegas Haunt (don't remember where..maybe, MGM Grand) in which they had flown in HUNDREDS of the South American Giant Beetles to use in their haunt. Evidently they make a loud hissing noise, which the unsuspecting haunt victims would hear first, then see them (behind plexiglass enclosure, however). All the plexiglass in the world wouldn't get me in there....yeeccchhhhhh! Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:50:58 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:09:50 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween Update (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All, Here is a short summary of our display. I would have posted sooner but, well, my job keeps cutting into my day! ;) We have a modest little graveyard here in Cypress. Mostly homemade stuff with some store bought thrown in for good measure. We have about 7 headstones, a sarcophagus, two dummies (besides me), a couple of skeletons, a moving grave, and a ghost figure. Last year we had a crypt but it didn't survive outdoor storage the last couple of years, so we trashed it this year. Of the headstones, two were bought, two are hollow wood (one was stolen last year along with our best corpse ..sigh..), one is expanded bead styrene (like "Styrofoam" cups) and the remaining ones are urethane insulation foam (the spray kind). Our sarcophagus is entirely made from 1" thick E-B styrene laminated together with hot glue and painted. The skeletons are the cheap blow molded plastic kind, I think we got them at Target. We gave them a quick coat of brown and tan paint and they look *much* better. This coming year I want to try making some better ones from the instructions in the archives. The moving grave was real cool when I tested it in the garage. It looks like someone/thing is trying to dig its way out of the ground. It would have been great too, but guess who forgot to charge the batteries! All this is set up in our front yard and surrounded by a weathered picket fence. The whole scene is lit with a couple of blue flood lights. We *try* to have fog but that @#%%$&* fog machine keeps flaking out, next year for sure! Well, that's it for this year. Any and all comments and suggestions are more than welcome! Thanks to all on this list we will have a *lot* of work to do this year. Now I have to go rotate the Halloween stuff in and the Christmas stuff out! Steve and Lori Mufasa1023@aol.com Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 13:52:43 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 13:37:30 PST From: "Sparks, Doug" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This couldn't have happened publicly, at least not in the last 6 months (egad has it been that long?). I have never received any flak for my lack of technical knowledge even after asking how to wire a resistor! Do you really think NOT posting is the answer though? Could it be that the person/persons who "chased" her off the list had no idea they were doing so? I don't think I have seen anyone on this list who really is mean-spirited enough to persecute someone for their lack of technical knowledge. I don't think non-posting is a solution, it seems to be more of a addition to the problem. (Sort of the reinforcement of an established tradition, be it bad or good) You however have made a step forward now to possibly inform these individuals of their errors. Hopefully those who erred will realize what they have done and change their ways accordingly. (I know, sounds awfully Disney doesn't it?) If they did it on purpose, let's lynch 'em! :) Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at gateway Date: 11/8/96 10:39 AM > List members: I have to speak out here - one of my dearest friends left this list for the above reason. the 'techies' persecuted her for not being on their level until she finally left. she is more into halloween than you could possibly imagine (it was her wedding day fer cryin out loud) and it's a shame that she was chased off the list for not knowing as much as some....I've been able to avoid feeling like her very easily - I just never post. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:21:41 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 02:08:01 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: All Right Team!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Ghouls, We have won one!! So far anyway!! I have received a phone call from Juno and they said they will take care of our little friend. They were very nice and said they would do all they could. The lady did mention that a gentleman, possibly the list manager (Denny???), was very firm on the phone and that she would make sure it was taken care of. And I have received so many notes from the guys that you should all be dressed as knights in shining armor next year. I know to easy, carry a big sword with a bloody hear hanging from it :) thank you all again for your support. And ladies you were also very kind. Thanks again!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:24:14 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 02:11:20 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Bugs!!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jeanni, YUCK!!! But it does give me a idea....a small opening where they can see some big ugly bugs, but so dark they can see nothing else. And then put ceral, the crunchy kind, on the floor...They walk, see bugs, and hear a crunching sound!! What do you think!! Nice touch as they go into the mummy's house!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:24:23 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:16:08 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians or Nebraskans? -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> 11/08/96 03:27pm >>> I'm still looking for fellow Nebraskans on the list. Would any of you guys from California consider relocating? Halloween in the snow can be very invigorating. >>> Hi, Debbie! I must have missed the message calling for "Husker Howdy"s. I'm located in Lincoln, NE, but I'm afraid I haven't been able to spend the time and/or money to do too much yet for Halloween. ...Maybe next year. (Didn't I say that LAST year?!?) I've got to agree on the snowy Halloween point. It makes those little bedsheet ghost outfits even more effective than the elaborate creatures. "Look, honey, it's a pair of eyes floating towards us!" Speaking of witch ...er, which... this year we had about 5 or 6 bedsheet ghosts visit us in one group. All of them about 3-and-a-half feet tall with the little eye holes cut out and they all had fluorescent letters that said "BOO" on the front and then "THANK YOU" on the back. Normally, I'm not such a softie, but they were just too cute to not mention. Definitely the most "Awwww-inspiring" costumes of the night. (Sorry, couldn't resist.) :) Dave - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:27:08 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 02:15:57 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jeanni, That sounds like so much fun. A huge bunch of Halloween Freaks running around KBF scaring the ghouls. Not only that all of us in a Hotel together!! I want the room next to Denny's!! That way I will be close to were the party will be! I have talked to hubby and we would be game! Keep in touch about this idea so it does not die!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:29:42 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 17:19:27 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Vampire Mirror Enhancement Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David, >So what's your enhancement idea? Anything similar? I'd love to hear >any (non-combustible) thoughts on the topic. Nothing similar...but it is combustible/flammable. ;) Have a poster, picture, or anything with a com- bination of text/graphics photographically re- versed at a printer's shop. This thought came up after a few people posted their suggestions (including pal Bill Lewis, among others). *That* would really throw people off! - Stu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:31:57 1996 From: Will Mellick Subject: Re: Northern Californians? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 14:23:34 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I agree with Bob, it would be cool to see where everyone else lives. I'm from Spokane, WA. and it would be fun to see who else is from the Pacific Northwest, and specifically from Eastern Washington/ Northern Idaho. Will Mellick mellick@spk.hp.com Spokane, WA > > I seem to remember that someone was mapping the members of this list. I > live in Norther California, it would be cool to see where everone else is. > Bob Andrews > bandrews@inreach.com > http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews > > ---------- > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:33:13 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:26:01 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: Costumes Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Hi Tad: > >I went to your web page - and surprise I had been there before. I still >don't see the cape listed, I must to overlooking it. Is there a picture? >What sizes? I'm a little on the short side (62.5") and don't want my nice >cape dragging on the ground. :) Also I did see the Pirates shirt (didn't >notice it the first time, I was looking for pictures), is white the only >color? Sizes? What if I order it and hate it when it comes, is it >returnable? It would help if I could "see" a pic of it. > >Thanks for directing back to your page - I'm glad you didn't tell me to >learn to sew. LOL > >Linda >pyrfan@ismi.net >> >>snip >> Sorry, got caught up in the halloween thing. Our new doamin will be opening to limited completeion on 11/11/96 for winter and spring. Ren Clothing is a top priority. We have pre-made to size (s/m/l/x-lg/+) and custom made costumes to your size. Look for us after the 11th at the url below. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Coming Soon: www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:33:20 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 02:19:48 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Domina, tell your friend to come back to the list. She can join me in the non tech world. And if you want to post to me with untech thoughts feel free. My husband and I have it all worked out, I sew the costumes, do the buying, and feed the crew!! He does all the tech work!! So please get her to come back, I need support against these techies!! Kathy I may be a trekkie but I'm not a Tekkie mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:40:58 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:32:44 -0600 (CST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: Re: Halloween Update (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:09 PM 11/8/96 -0800, Steve and Lori tantalized us with: > The moving grave was real cool when I tested it in the garage. It > looks like someone/thing is trying to dig its way out of the ground. Ooooh! This sounds good! Can you tell us more? BTW, the rest of your haunt sounds great, too! You should be proud! Regards, DJ, who's always digging for new ideas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:49:25 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 14:33:14 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: All Right Team!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > Hey Ghouls, > We have won one!! So far anyway!! I have received a phone call from > Juno and they said they will take care of our little friend. They were > very nice and said they would do all they could. The lady did mention > that a gentleman, possibly the list manager (Denny???), was very firm on > the phone and that she would make sure it was taken care of. And I have > received so many notes from the guys that you should all be dressed as > knights in shining armor next year. I know to easy, carry a big sword > with a bloody hear hanging from it :) thank you all again for your > support. And ladies you were also very kind. Thanks again!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Aw shucks, Ma'am. Weren't nuthin. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 14:52:41 1996 From: Will Mellick Subject: Re: Milk jug skeletons To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 14:43:06 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com As with the other folks, I would like a set also. Let me know if you need more info. Thanks Will Mellick P. O. Box 374 Liberty Lake, Wa 99019-0374 (Just outside of Spokane, Wa) > > I too would like a set, please! > Colleen Schaller > 12413 2nd Ave S. > Seattle WA 98168 > > >I'd like a set. > > > >Greg Edwards edwards@crl.com > >41 Ventura St. > >Half Moon Bay, Ca 94019 > > > >thank you > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:03:39 1996 From: Will Mellick Subject: Re: Nightmares-Fear Factory (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 14:53:04 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Kathy, Don't let "one bad apple spoil your taste". I know I have appreciated your contributions and would miss them, if you left. There does seem to be a lot of good and sincere people of this list that would miss you. Hope you stay around! Will in Spokane, Wa. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:16:20 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:02:39 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Too old to trick or treat soapbox Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JeanniSkip@aol.com wrote: > > Lynne wrote: > > < suspicion. > > OK I have rambled on enough. So, I am a suspicious city dweller. >> > > Hi Lynne-- > > I'm sorry to say I agree with you .... the teenagers I got (lots of them) > were cocky and obnoxious types, mostly no costumes and many without anything > to put the *treats* in - instead of a pillowcase, they just lifted the bottom > of their shirts to form a pocket or zipped the bottom of their jackets and > you were expected to drop the candy in their clothes... I even had a few > adults do this!!! And the creep who came to my house to cause trouble, found no opportunity, & took his nasty little baseball cap off his head & stuck it out for free candy anyway. Yes, I smiled sweetly when I gave one to the little brat. > I just remembered one of the cuter comments tho (one of the incentives to > continue despite the *down* sides) from a little girl who was just awestruck > by everything --- > > "Wow, you are such COOL parents!!" I'm still smiling. I have arrived. I hope she said it in front of your kids! (or even _your_ parents!) karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:22:10 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 03:07:36 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lynne and Other non techs, Maybe we can all take a course " Halloween 101"!! I have tried to learn and it does not work. I was at the drugstore yesterday and they had a display with two bottles of cough syrup to show which one is thicker!! Well it turns the bottles back and forth to show the thickness! I was caught trying to see how it worked. The guy at the drugstore thought I was nuts!! We will all have to get together with some motors and wire and see how many fuses we can blow out!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:31:45 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:24:49 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians or Nebraskans? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > >Jacqui Young wrote: > > > >can all the northern Californians stand up and be recognized? > > > >I'm still looking for fellow Nebraskans on the list. Would any of you > >guys from California consider relocating? Halloween in the snow can be > >very invigorating. > > > >Debbie You may find Dallas to be the closest! Karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:37:32 1996 From: Will Mellick Subject: Re: Late Halloween update To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 15:31:01 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Mark, It sounds like you did a great job on your display. I think kids always appreciate it whenever someone takes a little more effort on thier house. I'm interested in the circuit you used to flash the LEDs, what were the 'logic chips' that you used. As far as the LEDs not working, I'm sure you probably checked polarity and current limiting resistors already, one trick that I use works pretty good. When soldering to the LEDs, I connect a alligator clip or a pair of locking pliers (hemostats (sp?)) to the leg that I am soldering, between the LED and the solder connection. This helps to draw the heat away from the LED. This might help to protect the LED. Great Job! Will in Spokane, WA. mellick@spk.hp.com Mail: Hewlett-Packard Company Will Mellick, 3WU Test Engineering 24001 E. Mission Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9599 > > It's been a week since Halloween and I thought I would post a bit about > my setup. > > This year was the first we decorated our house. I had a really hard time > talking my wife into going all out, so I didn't get everything done that > I wanted to, and I had a limited budget. > > The setup was very simple w/ a single black light and some ghosts cut out > of yellow paper and colored w/ florecent markers & crayons. These were > hung on the kitchen window which opens onto our rather small porch. I > then rigged up 2 pairs of blinking LEDs for the eyes of the ghost. We > also had some small ghost cut out which were taped to spiderweb material. > We also had 2 jack-o-lanterns w/ candles. > > I used a 555 timer and a couple of logic chips to create the blink. > However, due to time and blowing out a couple of LEDs (I couldn't figure > this one out - it's still a puzzle. I kinda suspect my brother got 'em > too hot when soldering on the wire.) I ended up with only 4 LEDs (2 > ghosts) instead of the planned 8 ghosts. If anyone wants the circuit let > me know - the timer triggered the clock on a counting chip, which while > not giving a completely random blink it did make 'em blink at different > times. This whole circuit was on the kitchen counter and the wires ran > out the window. > > -mark > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:39:39 1996 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 03:28:54 -0800 From: Mike Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Update (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Steve and Lori, sounds like you had fun!! As for the smoke machine..when you do get it working make sure you make the ice chest dealie ( untech word #1 ) with the fan. It worked so great. We set it at the end of a nine foot hallway and filled it with dry ice and the smoke stayed right down on the ground. And the fluid we purchased from Denny had no smell and was great( Yes, another Denny plug !) It really gives a great look. My Christmas list is getting longer, One more smoke machine, one web maker thingie ( untech word #2) and at least three more black lights!! Santa is really going to have a fun time shopping for me!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:43:43 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 15:35:59 PST From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Persecution? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > Jacqui (who should have kept her big mouth shut) NEVER!!!! Freedom of speach on the halloween-list, a constitution rite! B-) THomas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 15:52:46 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ahah!! The first signs of a budding Engineering Mind! See, there IS hope! Dave > I was caught trying to see how it worked. The guy at the > drugstore thought I was nuts!! We will all have to get together with > some motors and wire and see how many fuses we can blow out!!! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 16:06:10 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:48:07 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I wrote: >milwiron@btprod.com, Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:48:17 -0600: >>Perhaps you should give some examples of how techies "persecuted" and >>"chased" her off the list. Some details would be very helpful and much less >>inflammatory than broad, accusative generalizations. Andy writes: >Meta-comment: If someone is sufficiently "sensitive", this type of >straightforward statement is apt to be taken as a personal attack. Huh? Do you mean my statement above, or your statement below? >It's all in how you interpret things, and some people are far more likely >than others to project unkind intent and assume the worst. Yer right, I think you're dissing me. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 16:06:10 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:48:03 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:34 PM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >> You said "persecuted" and "chased". Was this done to her directly? >> Nobody has the right to chase anyone away from this list. >I honestly deleted most of the messages - I wasn't paying any >attention...but she told me after seh left that she was chastised directly >by memebers (whether this was on or off list I'm not sure) for trying to >be helpful...I recall her one instance of her offering some screen savers >or somethign to the >list and she got jumped on because OTHER people didn't realize they should >respond to her privately and not to the list. Now, the debate was that she >was in the wrong because her email addy didnt appear in her sig - netiher >does mine and I've never been yelled at for it..and I'm archaic and use >pine anyway so I always see the address of the person who posts..so I >don't need to see email addys in sigs... >it might have been a lack of communication somewhere but this topic *has* >come up before so I just wanted to mention her.. > >domina Hi Domina, I'm very sorry to hear this has happened, and I now know exactly what you're talking about. We have a person or two on the list that have taken over the duties of Netiquette Cop and are very quick to chastise people on and off the list for simple, innocent mail errors. Don't feel bad, many of us have had the same lessons. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 16:30:37 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 18:11:44 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bugs!!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > Jeanni, > YUCK!!! But it does give me a idea....a small opening where they can > see some big ugly bugs, but so dark they can see nothing else. And then > put ceral, the crunchy kind, on the floor...They walk, see bugs, and > hear a crunching sound!! What do you think!! Nice touch as they go into > the mummy's house!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Now that one is great and soooo easy & effective. Except for the bug-wrangling part. (which isn't too hard here in Texas. Cattle aren't the only things we grow big here.) I like the small opening idea. People just _hate_ to be confronted with bugs out of nowhere and right up in their faces! And I'm all for cheap sound effects! karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 16:48:45 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 18:30:10 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: All Right Team!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:33 PM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote: > Hey Ghouls, > We have won one!! So far anyway!! I have received a phone call from > Juno and they said they will take care of our little friend. They were > very nice and said they would do all they could. The lady did mention > that a gentleman, possibly the list manager (Denny???), was very firm on > the phone and that she would make sure it was taken care of. That's good news Kathy. After your letter to me last night it was the least I could do. Let's hope he stays gone and Don gets found. BTW... Ever notice the correlation between Don mysteriously disappearing and trouble on the list? Kinda reminds you of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde doesn't it? Denny PS. I never told them I was the list manager though I might have slipped about me being the Internet Grand Poo-Bah. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 16:53:27 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 19:39:28 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contributors v. Lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg threatened: << It should go without saying that this group, every member included, will be an invaluable resource for this undertaking. >> Something about seeing "UNDERTAKING" and *EVERY MEMBER INCLUDED* in the same sentence on this list gives me the creeps! Greg, I hope your new commercial (haunt) business isn't called Hope's Mortuary or Vista Undertakers! I'm just not ready to spend my Halloweens haunting from the other world yet!!! Still have too many projects for this incarnation.... :) :) :) Jeanni (sorry..couldn't let it go) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 17:00:44 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:01:49 -0800 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers To: halloween-l@edsug.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the spirit of this discussion, I shall de-lurk for an item: One of the more interesting bits I saw this Halloween was at a Haunt given by a church youth group. Yes, a church youth group. Ok, its somewhat of a liberal congregation to have a haunt. Anyways, one of the interesting parts was that they did a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde piece, where you started in Dr.J's lab, where he is telling you about his discoveries. He downs his potion, and in a rather nice effect of strobe lights/sound/etc, he is replaced by another player in full makeup as Mr. Hyde. None of the kids (I was posing as a parent in place of a friend who didn't want to go in...;)) noticed the switcheroo, and were very promptly scared as Hyde chased them out of the room. I saunted out, mostly to get a peek at where Dr.J had gone. He was under the laboratory counter...nice. If you hadn't walked slowly, and peeked around the corner, you'd never have seen him. Well, the kids were run out into an fenced-in alley (a walkway next to the church school building) by Hyde, who pursued them for about 15', then jumped through a doorway. The kids kept running. They turned a corner about 6 feet later only to be confronted again by, yup, you guessed it, Mr. Hyde. They went back & forth with this a few times until Hyde's potion started to wear off, the strobes/etc came back on and old Dr. Jekyll was back in the alley, telling them to get away before Mr. Hyde came back. The kids headed off down the alley towards their next peril. This was the highlight of the haunt, and I mentioned it to the youth group director. Apparently, each group of kids got to design their own room, and the J&H room was the best thought out. They did it themselves, one of the parents bought the strobe lights (and donated them permanently to the youth group), and the kids supplied all the materials themselves. In short, they used very little scenery (a lab table, a few test tubes, beakers, colored water, dry ice, etc). A few trashcans and two well-place strobes and some speakers. And, of course, Jekyll's costume and Hyde's costume & makeup. I was fascinated. The kids were terrified. Moral:You don't need to spend big bucks if you've got big imagination. Granted, these kids were mostly 9-11 year olds (the hauntees, not the haunters). But, the imagination and staging was what impressed me. -- <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> | "We do not stop playing because we've grown old. | | We grow old because we've stopped playing." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS **| <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 17:04:44 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:49:24 -0300 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ghope@coyote.csusm.edu Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com who halloween-l ghope@csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 18:24:45 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 18:00:54 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I was at the drugstore yesterday and they >had a display with two bottles of cough syrup to show which one is >thicker!! Well it turns the bottles back and forth to show the >thickness! I was caught trying to see how it worked. The guy at the >drugstore thought I was nuts!! Kathy -- thanks for the idea...the company my wife works for often has promo signs with little battery-operated motors to turn the displays, so I guess I'm gonna have to get her to raid the sales warehouse so I can adapt some to various purposes. Why didn't I think of that before? (that's rhetorical, people...no snide comments, okay?) :-) Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 18:24:52 1996 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 18:00:49 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Too old to trick or treat? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Hey Doug, thanks for the offer. > The guy is probably in late 40's now, if I ever find him I think I can >handle it. ;) >Denny Denny -- maybe you could "volunteer" him for next year's Flying Ghost and let your dog (Hoover?) have at him? ;-) Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 8 18:31:29 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 21:12:21 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Freya E. Harris" Subject: Re: Bugs!!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:11 PM 11/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >Mike Marcrum wrote: >> >> Jeanni,