HA> a somewhat technical lurker HA>Scott GEE, That idea sounds familiar, keep lurking till mine is finished. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 20:27:04 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:35:06 -0500 Subject: Re: little disappointed To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HA>Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HA>Carl wrote: HA>All I can say is A T.C.T. half built is half as scary. HA>Carl, HA>Fear not, even though I personally didn't build the TCT, I printed the HA>directions for my very mechanically inclined brother who made it for me, HA>complete with extended arms. We made one teenage girl scream so loud you HA>could hear it in the next town and she nearly ran over a small kiddo halfway HA>down the driveway. Everyone loved it even requesting that we set it off HA>again. It was truly the highlight of our display with a close second being HA>the flying ghost and the three pumpkins with fog. In fact, we made as many HA>of the list items as we had time for - graveyard fence from pvc and 2x4, HA>styro tombstones, mausoleum, and organ with pvc pipes. Our neighbors HA>couldn't believe how much stuff we put out in 4 hours. If I get educated HA>enough in web pages I might even post some pictures. HA>Thanks to all for their great ideas. I'm taking notes... HA>Mary Ann HA>Another house haunter... HA>p.s. Carl, my brother and his friend looked like proud parents when they HA>demo'd the TCT. I think I've converted them to Halloweeners Thank You, Carl From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 20:27:55 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:35:02 -0500 Subject: Re: A Good Source of Chemistry Info -Reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HA>>>> Mike Marcrum 11/8/96 1:55 pm >>> HA>Carl, HA> Great idea on the skulls popping out. I think hubby is planning on doing s HA>made of skulls and things with a pool underneath. Then he wants to make sort HA>the pool with a TV monitor under it. So we will see what happens. I like the HA>out in the Creature from the black lagoon area... kathy the new kid on the c HA>mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com HA><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, HA>Again, think I missed something here. :( Can you elaborate please? Sure, I came up with an under water Halloween display. , using plastic underground water sprinkler piping., only instead of attaching sprinkler heads I attach home made pvc cylinders designed by Larry Lund ., the heads are attached to cyl, water escapes through mouth as heads rise.this display can be used not only under water but slightly below ground . Carl Chetta From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 20:52:22 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:41:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: << waterfall made of skulls >> Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com im lost..... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 20:53:10 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:36:14 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Is there a Techno-Elite? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Ah well. thanks anyways (ah, memories of cassette storage :) remind me > to send you someday a haunted house show controller program I am writing > in a combo of basic & assembly. it's like a 16 channel professional > stagecraft type, only it's more towards my needs :) > > Harry > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] Is that the Apple][ program? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 20:59:22 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:44:26 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-Files Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Kathy, I had the same experience with X Files. It was supposed to be one > of htier better episodes, the Fluke Man episode. Seemed like a rather > standard wierd leech-like creature in the sewers kind of story. It bored the breasts off me. What????????!!!!!! ROTFL karen p Something tells me that X Files is a show for people > who are too scared to get into the Halloween mood. The take-off at the > Hanging last year at Knott's of the X Files was pretty funny though. > > Harry > "Mulder" > "Yes, Scully?" > "Ever notice that we mention each other's last name every other > sentence?" > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 21:02:43 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:49:37 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: skull pool Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com hey carl...... play nice... i do not get a chance to read all of my mail every day,,, this is the first that i have heard of your attempt to use the pvc piston..... but i did readabout the skull in the pool concept... and it got me thinkin... lighten up.... this is an attempt to brain storm a project.. i had no idea that this has been discused... if so .. could you tell me if the pop up sprinkler idea will work... i would rather use a sprinkler rather than try not to screw up building something out of pvc. Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 21:49:41 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:37:33 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Ripley's Believe It...(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone else live near a Ripley's Believe It or Not attraction/museum/freak show that includes a Horror Chamber (or something like that) part to it?? We stopped at the D/FW one about 4 yrs. or so ago. The one here has a wax museum part & it also has the bizarro part. (stuff from Ripley collection) I guess it must have been at the end of the wax museum, you come to a part with big warning signs like: Beware pregnant women, small children, heart condition people, etc. They have a special horror area & you have to *really* want to go into it. (special door, warning signs, etc) My son, about 9 then, and definitely *not* one for haunted houses, creepy movies at the time was sure he just *had* to know what was behind the closed doors. (you can tell he doesn't watch enough of those "No, don't go in there" type movies!) I remember it was the best part of the wax museum part. (not a tremendous compliment, you'd have to realize how dull the rest of the wax part is first! I've seen a lot better in L.A.) I'll have to go back to refresh my brain & they supposedly update them but I remember it had dim light, small & medium horror movie scenes set up, sound effects like chainsaws at the appropriate time, a moving bridge, etc. Felt like I was in a combination carnival walk-thru/mini haunt. My son's clutching at me from the front, like to break my hand off. Dad's in front, followed by his brother, teenage sister, the son & me. We get to this small corner type room & the spouse goes thru, uncle & aunt are in the middle & chicken plus mom are not in the room yet. I could just see the front part (turned out that's all there was) of a black Chevy (I'm sure I'll be enlightened about this) right up close to the walkway. I think you practically have to walk around the car a few inches. Well, there's something off to the right & as you're walking thru, you're looking at the distraction to the right when the car headlights suddenly flash on & the car horn just blares right in your ear & I think there are even engine starting sounds. (Tribute to Christine, the car) I thought the teenage sister would literally go thru the roof. I've never heard such a loud scream or seen such a high jump! The family still jokes about it. The rest of us were hysterically laughing after that & she was very upset with us! (and with the car, I believe she also expanded my 9 yr. old's vocabulary quite a bit) There was another part I really remember because it was a good scary joke but I can't tell you because it would ruin it for you if you ever go there! (like warning you about Christine doesn't, right?) The kid's been asking to go back again so we'll have to return & check the place out. Way overpriced but I've got some get in free stuff, discounts, etc. Each half of the place is something like $7 to $10 without discounts, I think, but about $15 or so if you do them both. If there's one by you, call ahead to see if they've got the horror section. Otherwise, the wax part is definitely not worth that kind of money! And I'm not saying that the horror part is either. It's just that it wasn't a totally static display. I was kinda surprised about that. Our local Six Flags over Texas does a Halloween thing every yr. We went a few yrs. back but can't remember a lot of details so we'll definitely have to make a trip there again this fall & see how it is now. Lots of well-done characters roaming day & night, decorations, haunted places, music, etc. karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 21:58:28 1996 From: KBarn37781@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:43:51 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ripley's Believe It...(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Karen, Did you receive my mail about being a guinnie (sp) pig for you posting. It doesn't show as read when I sent it to your EMail. If not please sent it. Karen From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 22:02:18 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:53:21 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Lights and Lighting -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Halloween minds think alike. I used to have the >people in my parent's offices and then my own >saved their coffee cans for me! For some small stage lighting, I had made my own "par can" from grapefruit cans. I thought they were better than the commercial version I could find because they were deeper and therefore restricted the beam more, so the light didn't just spread out everywhere. Remember that you have to paint the inside black, so you don't get odd reflection patterns. But, I have actually abandoned the idea of making my own, I have found some professional par cans, that were deep enough for me for only $20. For smaller uses, I also found that Home depot was carrying some small fixtures for around $5 (or less). If I want to restrict the beam further, I can perhaps rivet a can (that has had its top and bottom removed) onto the fixture to make it longer. (called a "snoot" in lighting tech talk.) Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 22:03:12 1996 From: Catlows@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:45:22 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Milk jug skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I most defenitely would like one too! (I thought they were going to be posted.) Thanks, Suzanne Catlows@aol.com Suzanne Trotzuk 100 E. Crestland Austin, Tx 78752 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 22:05:24 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:52:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Is there a Techno-Elite? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yup, wirting it to run on the 2+ right now. got about 45-50 of them round the house, got a bunch of networking cards, so it will run on the Corvus network (ancient memories back there :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 22:09:48 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:57:47 -0600 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > Hope your little one is OK!! He's doing very well thanx. He recovered better than we did!! To bad we all> can't gather in one place and put on one heck of a haunted house.. Wouldn't that be the ultimate?! We would really like to be able to meet everyone and learn and have fun on that most sacred of holidays!! .as for the cars, maybe you need to use them more!!:) We probably should. I just wish we could either fix them or sell them. Thanx for everyone's support. We've met some really nice people here. Kelly "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 22:41:38 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:21:38 -0600 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike Marcrum wrote: > > Harry, > Does Sonoma count as close enough!! We are only about 8 hours away,and > hubby owes me a trip to Disneyland!!! Can we come please!! We will start > saving now if you let us come and play!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com but...but...but...we live way down south in MS what about us?! :) Kelly "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 13 22:48:12 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:30:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Lights and Lighting -Reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com So THAT is what a par is! for the old Haunted Graveyard I used to work with, we would use coffee cans and blue or green lights inside.... ah, memories..... Harry "The couple is making out in there! What should I do?" "Take pictures..." [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 01:05:42 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:53:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: How-to, Part 2 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This document continues the discussion of the steps involved in the overall process of imagineering, described in part 1. ---------------- Halloween: Just Imagine! - Part Two - The Steps of Imagineering (1) Lets examine each step of the process individually, so that we may better understand what is involved. This segment will cover only the first step, as there is much to be said about it. Imagine a theme, setting, or story-line to unify the project. Develop a 'script' that embodies the concept. When most people initially think of Halloween decorating, they envision a typical dwelling embellished with accents that make use of symbolic images to convey a sense of the season. Usually, these are chosen based upon taste, peer usage, whimsy, or a theme of personal interest. While this is perfectly acceptable (in most cases,) a great deal of interest may be added to a decorated home by the process of developing a theme. What does this entail? Here are a few examples. Perhaps your real interest is in the fall season, as much as Halloween itself. You may decide that your decor should embody the charm that attracted you to Halloween as a youngster. Maybe you have a fascination with gothic novels and their settings, or the moody environs of ghost stories, which give small glimpses of things unseen. Or, if you favor a more bold approach, you might choose to present an assembly of plainly visible, startling characters based upon favorite stories or legends, capable of stopping traffic, or even generating controversy. The above paragraph does not pretend to be a complete list of possibilities. In fact, what this series of articles is meant to do is to encourage you to personalize the statement made by your Halloween decor. What we wish to discourage is a reliance on formula - or that which you observe everyone else doing. This notion is going to make a few people uncomfortable, because it seems to ask for a great deal of forethought, and presents the shadowy specter of a real task. Hopefully, potential objections can be surmounted by showing you what personal reward you might actually expect from such a project. Like any other hobby, Halloween decorating builds inspiration upon inspiration. For the model railroader, the hobby may begin with a simple circular layout, and later, driven by a personal interest in small, old-fashioned towns, the hobbyist might integrate the initial hardware investment into a full, permanent layout. Not only has the railroad layout grown, it has also become embellished with items that were not initially in the hobbyist's mind at all: miniature models, landscapes, and a color scheme. All of these new items were selected due to criteria which 'came on board' as the participant's interest expanded. For the Halloween decorator, it might begin with a house themed with a small array of Jack O'Lanterns and luminaries clustered thoughtfully around the yard, and eventually grow to an electronically-controlled animated display, in which the earlier decorations merely serve as accents, kept in because of the solid first impression they produced when the hobby began. Not only that, but the theme created by the initial simple decor has probably survived and influenced the larger, more complex props - a headless horseman, for example, holding his Jack O'Lantern head in one arm as it blinks at passers-by, while he waves with the other free hand. This is merely an example of how a theme can unify what we are doing, and give it a focus. For larger projects, such as community haunts, the concepts of _story_ and _script_ become important. _Story_ is the background concept for the haunt. It does not have to be told to the public, but they should be able to infer at least a bit of it after visiting the attraction. _Script_ is not merely a collection of lines to be said by actors in the attraction. It is, rather, the order and means by which the story is revealed to the guests. It should begin with the facade of the haunt, and carry on until the patrons have left the grounds entirely. There is probably no better example of this than the Haunted Mansion as designed by Walt Disney Imagineering. For this example the version presented at the Orlando Magic Kingdom will be used, for it includes a more subtle approach to the exterior. Patrons entering the themed area see a large house at the end of a brick lane. Initially, it seems completely normal, if a bit weathered. As the guests get closer, smaller details come into view, such as the bat on the weathervane atop the roof. At night, a light can be seen to pass across the windows of a glassed-in solarium. At last the patrons realize that this house is most likely haunted. On their way in, they pass a graveyard, and move into the story itself, which I will not reveal here. As they exit the haunt, they pass substantial crypts in a picturesque architectural setting, and as they depart the premises, the scenery gradually changes to suggest a departure into an altogether different locale. (It should be mentioned here, in passing, that the last effect described is the imagineering equivalent of the 'cross-fade' as used in film-work. It will later be discussed as it applies to attraction interiors.) A visit to this attraction is recommended strongly to those who wish to learn more about imagineering an effective haunt, as it explains more about story and script in a 15-minute object lesson than could be said here in many thousands of words. What was said above regarding the home situation also applies to the public haunt, only more so. A disjointed haunt with a lot of unrelated effects and scenes may scare people, but it will not be as memorable, or produce as strong an impression as a themed attraction. With a public attraction comes a staff, and more minds to do the conceptual work. Prioritize the story-line and concept. Set aside at least one whole session for brainstorming the theme alone. Set aside the next two sessions (minimum) for working out the story and script. Story and script can arise from ideas in taken from literature and movies - or even better, from a collaborative effort or an individual writer's work. When creating a script, put yourself in the 'rider's seat' and visualize what the guest would experience. 'Walk' the group through your mental model by describing it out loud, acting it out with gestures and improvised 'sound effects.' Watch for their responses, and make notes. Break your script up into episodes, so that the story may be told more easily in individual units, or scenes. Get it down in writing, and then do not depart from it. Appoint at least one person to oversee the execution of the theme/story/script concept as it applies to later stages. Avoid the situation of having a group of autonomous supervisors who plan their sections of the attraction without reference to the central idea, or else you will have chaos, and the effect of your haunt will be severely compromised. Lastly, try to get your staff to understand what is possible through a cooperative effort. You will need to use all the diplomacy and 'people skills' you possess, but you will be rewarded in the end, and that's a promise. --- In the next installment, we will examine the visualization of theme, story, and script as they relate to the facility you will be using. *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 03:23:11 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 06:14:10 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Lights and Lighting -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:30 PM 11/13/96 -0700, you wrote: > >So THAT is what a par is! for the old Haunted Graveyard I used to work >with, we would use coffee cans and blue or green lights inside.... ah, >memories..... "PAR" WRT floodlight/tracklight bulbs means Parabolic Annular Reflector (Techie phrase of the day). I have used low wattage tracklight bulbs with colored giftwrap celophane rubberbanded to the can. For higher wattage, or intensity bulbs it may be necessary to actually get some colored gels from a theater supply store, or theater equipment rental store. Gels/celophane make it easier to change the color than changing colored bulbs. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 03:45:17 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 06:30:01 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Re[2]: Is there a Techno-Elite? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:54 AM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote: > Robyn, > I get mine surplus for between $5 and $25 from All Electronics in > L.A. I built a simple(?) timing circuit that will drive the motor > forward and reverse with variable speed. The best part is it runs on > low voltage (6 - 12 volts) thereby reducing electrical hazards > outdoors. > > Steve > Mufasa1023@aol.com Ok, more info needed on this "All Electronics". Mail Order? Retail Store? Phone Number? I Must have! Thank you. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 06:41:46 1996 From: ALLAN DAVID Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 09:30:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Re[2]: Lasers was Re[2]: PROMO SIGNS Was Contributors vs. ... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks, Doug and Steve. This is at least $10 cheaper than I've seen them elsewhere. Best regards, David dallan@dow.com - ---------- From: Sparks, Doug[SMTP:DSparks@mercury.ligand.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 4:48 PM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Lasers was Re[2]: PROMO SIGNS Was Contributors vs. lu Tiger Software Direct has them... - ------------ From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com[SMTP:Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 5:00 PM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Lasers was Re[2]: PROMO SIGNS Was Contributors vs. lu Hi Dave, There is one in the current Global Computer Supplies catalog for $29.00. I think I have seen them cheaper. I will check some catalogs at home also. You can reach Global at 1-800-845-6225 or on the web at http://www.globalcomputer.com. The stock number is GFC92839 (silver) or GFC92097 (black). The catalog claims 3hrs on 2AAA alkaline batteries. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 06:44:19 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:20:39 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Water and Skulls Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Ghouls, A long time ago, before Halloween, someone brought up water. Now many months later we are all thinking about doing something with water...strange how that works!! Hubby says for the thing he is thinking about making ( notice I say thinking, until I see it I am not holding my breath) he is going to use a pump from work. He wants one with a little more PSI, and I am not sure why..There goes the water bill during all the test stages. I have always wanted a waterfall in the yard, wonder how the neighbors would feel about one with skulls built in it???? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 06:59:47 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:51:33 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: milk jug skeleton (reply) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com KBarn37781@aol.com wrote: > > Karen, > > Did you receive my mail about being a guinnie (sp) pig for you posting. It > doesn't show as read when I sent it to your EMail. If not please sent it. > > Karen Karen, well, I attempted to send it but really strange things happened. (including it shutting down my computer!!!?!) Either I'm totally screwing up something really simple or I've got comp. problems I haven't got figured out yet. I am working on it again later today (gotta go in a minute) & I'll see what happens. I also tried to send a different file to my fa-in-law & the same thing happened. Can't figure out yet which of the 3 programs involved would cause the prob. Haven't even pinpointed exactly what the problem is yet. Oh wait, I just got an idea on that. I'll try again later & then I'll resort to snail mail, I guess, so at least you won't be waiting on me any longer! (still got your address) karen From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 07:00:16 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:32:19 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ripley's Believe It...(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Karen and Ghouls, I have been to the one in San Fransico several times. The last time was about 8 years ago. Now that you bring it up that would make for a fun trip to see what it is like now. It is right next to the earthquake ride on Fishermans Wharf...or at least it was 8 years ago.. Kathy the new kid on the cyrpt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 07:00:32 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:38:32 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Northern Californians? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kelly, Drive one of the hearses to Calif. and join the rest of us insane California Halloween Junkies!!! How do you sell a hearse... Selling One slightly used Hearse Only carried passengers one way Must see to appreciate Enough of my dumb humor for today. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 07:09:21 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:46:40 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lights and Lighting -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Bill and Ghouls, As for the color gels, I also use them in my photo business!! If you need some make sure you check with photo dealers also. Sometimes you can get them a little cheaper that way. If you can find a place that will sell you sets then they are cheaper also. At first people say " I will never use that color so why buy a set" trust me when you have all the colors to choose from you can get very creative! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 07:31:14 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:18:15 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: KBarn37781@aol.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: list get-togethers -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> 11/13/96 3:38 pm >>> In a message dated 96-11-13 11:40:38 EST, you write: << Jeez, sounds like everybody is having a get-together! And here I am in Southern Indiana away from most of you. Guess us Hoosiers are just gonna have to have our own! How bout it Mr. Scary? Think we can set something up sometime? >> Where in southern Indiana are you. I am from Northern Kentucky. We might be pretty close and there are a few on the list from surrounding states that are talking about a get together int he spring. Also, is there anyone on the list that is interested in ghost, paranormal activities? If so I would love to email you about somethings. Let me know. Thanks. Karen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Live just south of Bloomington (Go IU!!). Also a big X-Files and Star Trek fan if that gives you any indication. :) Roger From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 08:23:09 1996 From: R4M2J1@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:15:36 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I never thought it would happen ,I went into Home Depot and they didn't have something. They also had no idea were I could find it. What I am looking for is clear tubing that is not flexable. Something like clear PVC. Does anyone know where something like this could be found. Thanks Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 08:38:29 1996 From: ALLAN DAVID Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 11:31:05 -0500 Subject: RE: clear pipe To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You probably want acrylic tubing (like Plexiglass). I just noticed that American Science and Surplus has some available in cut lengths. You might want to check the price there, as well as shopping locally. Point your browser to http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/847988872.71/fix/24337.html This will take you there directly. Regards, David - ---------- From: R4M2J1@aol.com[SMTP:R4M2J1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 1996 11:15 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: clear pipe I never thought it would happen ,I went into Home Depot and they didn't have something. They also had no idea were I could find it. What I am looking for is clear tubing that is not flexable. Something like clear PVC. Does anyone know where something like this could be found. Thanks Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 08:52:10 1996 From: R4M2J1@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:35:58 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks David. Dale. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 09:09:25 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:54:30 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: list get-togethers- Midwest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:18 AM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>> 11/13/96 3:38 pm >>> >In a message dated 96-11-13 11:40:38 EST, you write: > > Jeez, sounds like everybody is having a get-together! And here I am in >Southern Indiana away from > most of you. Guess us Hoosiers are just gonna have to have our own! How bout >it Mr. Scary? > Think we can set something up sometime? > If it can wait for warm weather I'll use any excuse I can get for a road trip on the sled. Takes me about 7-8 hours (gotta get gas every 150 miles) to get to Southern Indiana/Kentucky. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 09:29:59 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 09:18:31 PST From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello. I was going to wait until later in the year (when the traffic should die down a bit) to ask this, but a related subject was raised on gore-free & I thought now was as good (or bad) a time as any. My question is basicly 'how SCARY should my haunt be?' There are several issues to this, and I think most of us here would shoot back with the quick 'as scary as I can make it!', but I still think this is a good question to ask. There are a couple of different types of 'arenas', if you will, that TorTers will be faced with. There is the 'frontyard', where they can see everything from a static display to a full blown haunt with 'halloween-action figures' & actors. This type of area is accessable by all TorTers and you have no control over who will enter this area. Then there are the True 'Haunts' which usually have little to do with the ritualistic exchange of goodies, and more with the infusion of fear and adrenaline B-) and can be either professional or amateur in scope. I have set up over the last six years an area in my frontyard which has been more of a static display without any real scares other than the eerie ambience that the lights, noise/music, and set decor give off. This has been enough of a scare for the younger kids - tossed up between not wanting to enter & knowing that the sugary reward awaits them at the other end; and for the older kids to gawk and hesitate just in case there is something more... B-) And everyone, kids & adults, all make comments like 'cool!' & 'wow!'. I like this level of fright for my frontyard, but since this area is more 'public' I hesitate to make it any more scary because I don't want to see any small child crying or wetting their pants. I'm hoping to clean out the garage for next year to add a haunt for those TorTers bold enough to want more. This is where I want to see kids running & screaming, and there should be more control over the age group entering. My question to the group is this, for those of you who have set up scarier areas, what level of scary goes with what age group? Is a leaping loafer okay for all groups coming to your front door, but too 'boring' for a 'professional' haunt? Would you chase kids around with a chainsaw through the street? Do you warn against kids under a certain age not to enter 'beyond these doors', and mean it? Gore could be a part of this, but gore alone does not make most kids afraid, just very ill. B-) THomas Thomas W Oliver |"Carpe Denarii - 'seize the dough' (TWO)" Network Security Officer | telephone: 619 458-2175 Science Applications International Corp.| fax: 619 535-7860 4110 Campus Point Court MS G2 | e-mail: oliver@nemesis.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | e-mail: Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 09:47:51 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:50:45 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: list get-togethers- Midwest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >If it can wait for warm weather I'll use any excuse I can get for a road >trip on the sled. Takes me about 7-8 hours (gotta get gas every 150 miles) >to get to Southern Indiana/Kentucky. >Denny > >B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > >Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > Hey, no problem Denny. Fill up the hog and I'll take you to one cool shop here in town. (Awsome prices on leather). Roger is close to me, and Louisville is about an hour from here. John (wishing he never sold his ride!) ************************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * E-mail mrscary@kiva.net * * Web: http://www.kiva.net/~mrscary * * 1-(812)-824-8935 * * FAX 1-(812)-824-9960 * ************************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 09:54:28 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:25:12 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: list get-togethers -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Karen, I love the ghosts and paranormal stuff, so send away!! As for you all getting together you must remember for us here in NOrthern Ca. to go down to Southern Cal. is a 8 hour drive one way!!! Your states are much smaller so it might not be so hard for you guys to get together!! Just a thought. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 09:59:36 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:48:56 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Ripley's Believe It...(used to be long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All, There is a Ripleys about half a block north of Knott's Berry Farm also. Its been there oh, about 3 years now. We could add that on to the So. Cal. get together. What say you? Steve and Lori Mufasa1023@aol.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Ripley's Believe It...(long) Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 11/14/96 7:30 AM Karen and Ghouls, I have been to the one in San Fransico several times. The last time was about 8 years ago. Now that you bring it up that would make for a fun trip to see what it is like now. It is right next to the earthquake ride on Fishermans Wharf...or at least it was 8 years ago.. Kathy the new kid on the cyrpt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 10:00:23 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:36:47 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dale, When we were looking for the materials to make the two way mirror we went to TAP plastics. They had clear plastic tubing!! You might check them out. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcurm@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 10:21:33 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:58:31 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thomas, We have this problem every year! Do we go for blood, or gore, or scare, or kids!!! We find every year that the kids don't talk about the blood and stuff when they come out they talk about the scare!! The thing that jumped out at them, or reached out when they thought it was a dummy! Now some of the older ones will say "not enough blood and guts" at the same time they are yelling to the others to check out the dragon that lights up and blows cold smoke!! I don't know where to draw the line. We always have someone out front to give out candy to any child that does not want to go through the yard. No one is turned away. We also will at the request of a child turn on the Emergency lights and show them anything they want to see. This has turned several scardy cats into willing victims. We just think of it as training future helpers!! The little ones usually stay in Dads arms anyway so if something is really scary they hide their heads in dads shoulder! I guess this is not much help, but it is what I have observed! Kathy the new kid on the crypt' mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 10:25:02 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:51:16 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dale, You might try U.S. Plastics Corp. They have *all* types of plastic including rigid clear PVC. They only sell in 10 ft lengths though, so if you don't need too much try checking the yellow pages for 'Plastics' retailers. U.S. Plastics Corp. 1390 Neubrecht Rd. Lima, Ohio 45801 1-800-537-9724 Fax 419-228-5034 Good luck! Steve Mufasa1023@aol.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: clear pipe Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 11/14/96 9:02 AM I never thought it would happen ,I went into Home Depot and they didn't have something. They also had no idea were I could find it. What I am looking for is clear tubing that is not flexable. Something like clear PVC. Does anyone know where something like this could be found. Thanks Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 10:33:02 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:10:49 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Denny and the HOG Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, We have the Redwood Run out here in Calif. during the summer!! You could always ride the hog out here and join the run!! Kathy mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 10:43:00 1996 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:20:58 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ripley's Believe It...(used to be long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes to the Ripley's vote!! I have been watching the old series on SciFi this last few weeks. Some of the stories are just so strange!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 11:23:35 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:56:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: motors - tech questions Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm trying to find a motor that I can adjust the rpm from say 0-100 rpms. I tried to wire a speed control switch with an oscillating fan motor but it didn't seem to lower the rpms. (wrong motor type maybe?). I have a grainger catalog if someone knows what motor type I need or if they know where i can find what I'm looking for. I think I want AC over DC so I won't need a power supply but all suggestions welcomed. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 11:24:40 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:11:04 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wadda Ya Mean--No Techie? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > As for the color gels, I also use them in my photo business!! If you > need some make sure you check with photo dealers also. Sounds like, if you weren't a techie before, this Halloween stuff is pushing you in the right direction (as it is me). Of course, I'm not going to give up my heavy pencil cup hammer or butter knife screwdriver for anything. But these color gels...that's really got me thinking. Thanks! Debbie allconen@btigate.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 11:25:15 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:15:50 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-Files Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Rodney G Grantham wrote: > Remember when they used to be trying to find out about aliens and the > smoking man, etc.? Remember the tipster dying and writing a msg in > blood? Do you think the producer does? > Yeah, I remember the suspense being part of the shows, not just in the waiting for them. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 11:25:25 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:06:11 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Read This!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Poniatowski wrote: > > I just think that there are frontiers in haunts that haven't yet > >been explored. > > > I really like the direction of this thread. I don't have any problem with gore, but I think we've been overexposed to blood and guts and it's lost the power to scare us. I truly prefer gothic horror, Alfred Hitchcock, the delicious build up of suspense, etc. to Freddy Krueger (I'll admit I'm fond of his dry humor) and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The focus of next year's haunted house is atmosphere and mood. Better lighting, music, fog and eerie effects. One idea we're toying with is going "black and white"--all foggy, turn of the century stuff, sets and costumes done as in a black and white movie. We're just starting to think about this so we haven't worked out much yet. I think this is a great topic to explore--anyone else? Debbie allconen@btigate.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 11:55:58 1996 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:38:01 -800 Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Hello. I was going to wait until later in the year (when the traffic > should die down a bit) to ask this, but a related subject was raised > on gore-free & I thought now was as good (or bad) a time as any. Any time is a good time. :) > My question is basicly 'how SCARY should my haunt be?' There are > several issues to this, and I think most of us here would shoot back > with the quick 'as scary as I can make it!', but I still think this > is a good question to ask. I do have two areas, one for candy and one for the haunt, so they are totally separate, BTW. Personally, my haunts are pretty darned scary and designed to be that way. The last major haunted house I put together didn't permit children under 13 without an adult and we made no pretenses. The big one I'm putting together next year will have warnings on it, but I found a good idea at another local haunt and will be giving out glowing paddles to anyone who doesn't want to be jumped on by the roving ghosts and the 'scare' will be toned down. I found that they years that we actually warned people about the intensity of the haunt, we had three or four times more people going through than when we didn't. But that's just me. :) -Brian From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:09:07 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:56:22 -0500 Subject: Fountain Freaks To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HA>hey carl...... HA>play nice... i do not get a chance to read all of my mail every day,,, this HA>is the first that i have heard of your attempt to use the pvc piston..... bu HA>i did readabout the skull in the pool concept... and it got me thinkin... HA>lighten up.... this is an attempt to brain storm a project.. i had no idea HA>that this has been discused... if so .. could you tell me if the pop up HA>sprinkler idea will work... i would rather use a sprinkler rather than try HA>not to screw up building something out of pvc. HA>Scot Scot, ok you got it, I tried sprinkler heads but I cant find one with a 12" travel . so I make one, But the head turns any way it wants to when it wants to so now I use two cyl per head so it cant turn, Then the whole thing floats away! so now I attach pvc along side just to fill with sand or cement, but that isnt all, the heads dont go down because styrofoam heads under the masks refuse to sink so now I will try to use somthing else for a head. I call this FOUNTAIN FREAKS. If you or anyone can help I would appreciate it very much or if it is all ready out there.Keep in mind its in the 20s here tonight, too cold to be playing with water! I might just put this off for now. Carl Chetta From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:13:00 1996 To: DWFWW From: William E Rompala Date: 14 Nov 96 14:46:44 Subject: Re: The imagineering how-to, part 1 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bravo, Doug! Well written. -W -=- William Rompala Rompala Consulting http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil romwil@netaxs.com rompala_william@jpmorgan.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:13:16 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:51:40 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ripley's Believe It...(used to be long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > > Hi All, > There is a Ripleys about half a block north of Knott's Berry Farm > also. Its been there oh, about 3 years now. We could add that on to > the So. Cal. get together. What say you? > > Steve and Lori > Mufasa1023@aol.com > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Ripley's Believe It...(long) > Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet > Date: 11/14/96 7:30 AM > > Karen and Ghouls, > I have been to the one in San Fransico several times. The last time > was about 8 years ago. Now that you bring it up that would make for a > fun trip to see what it is like now. It is right next to the earthquake > ride on Fishermans Wharf...or at least it was 8 years ago.. > Kathy > the new kid on the cyrpt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Check & see if they've got one of those horror sections. Ask them if its the walk-thru kind like they have here. karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:20:35 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:59:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hmmm Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob apologetically wrote: << I remove my pointy ears and hang my head in shame. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the *pointy ears* guys I'm thinking of don't feel any shame (or any other emotions, for that matter....) Some sort of anomaly, no doubt. Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:21:01 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:00:32 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 96-11-14 01:30:31 EST, you write: << .as for the cars, maybe you need to use them more!!:) We probably should. I just wish we could either fix them or sell them. >> Kelly, I've been curious since I first read about your hearses...how does one come to own three hearses!!??? Aren't they kind of expensive? Your haunt sounded wonderful to me!! I agree with Kathy...drive one out here!!!! Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:21:05 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:00:21 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Is there a Techno-Elite? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill wrote: << Ok, more info needed on this "All Electronics". Mail Order? Retail Store? Phone Number? I Must have! Thank you. Bill Lewis >> Hi Bill: Just happened to have their catalog...this is where I bought my LED kit and didn't finish it due to my limited techNO knowledge. Very helpful people in the Van Nuys store. Their Fall 1996 Catalog #596 (so-labeled) says *New and Surplus Electronic Parts and Supplies - Since 1967) and they have two stores, as follows: All Electronics Corporation 905 S. Vermont Avenue Los Angeles, CA 90006 (213) 380-8000 and All Electronics Corporation 14928 Oxnard Street Van Nuys, CA 91411 (818) 997-1806 Also says order TOLL FREE 1-800-826-5432 Fax (24 hrs/day-7days/wk) 1-818-781-2653 PLUS...they have a web site! http://www.allcorp.com and catalog says, email us at: allcorp@allcorp.com Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:21:23 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:59:25 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hmmm Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob apologetically wrote: << I remove my pointy ears and hang my head in shame. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the *pointy ears* guys I'm thinking of don't feel any shame (or any other emotions, for that matter....) Some sort of anomaly, no doubt. Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:35:14 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:07:39 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: San Diegans Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, everyone. Sorry to have fallen out of touch for these last couple days. To the San Diegans: I have been talking with Thomas and Doug, and am now suggesting a casual get-together on Saturday, Dec. 7, around noon, at a cafe or the like, somewhere in the Mission Valley or Kearny Mesa area. Please confirm the day and time, and offer your suggestion for the place. I recommend these areas as being central for most of us. Our current cadaverous cadre of creepy compatriots consists of: Dana Collins Aaron Greenrey Greg Hope Brenda Lewis Thomas Oliver Dianne Parham Doug Sparks If you are a San Diego lurker and wish to meet the rest of us, now's the time to step out of the shadows!! Greg T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:40:48 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:22:36 -0500 Subject: clear pipe To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HA>I never thought it would happen ,I went into Home Depot and they didn't have HA>something. They also had no idea were I could find it. HA>What I am looking for is clear tubing that is not flexable. Something like HA>clear PVC. HA>Does anyone know where something like this could be found. HA>Thanks HA>Dale r4m2j1@aol.co Dale , How long? what diameter ? I needed somthing similar and used A thing that cleans fish tank gravel the clear tube was 24" long and 2" dia. I even used the suction part of it for somthing else. I also took apart my sons habittrail. Carl Chetta From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:41:48 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:19:33 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Denny Kennedy Subject: Re: My Haunted Porch(LONG!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:18 PM 11/11/96 -0800, you wrote: >Denny, > It sounds great to me!! I don't think it matters if you use big $ >things or WalMart specials, all that counts are the screams. And from the >sound of things you get a 4* scream score!!! Very good!!! Now just a sick >thought, but maybe next year have a real dummy in your spot and get them >from the back or something!! I love getting those kids that say " I know >what is going to happen" and then get them from another side!!! Hey,GREAT idea! I could hide behind the coffin at the end, and while they're poking at the dummy in the chair...hehehe... >Great Job, and I love the chairs in the windows. >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Thanks, Kathy:) > Denny Kennedy maryjane@sundial.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:44:20 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:30:58 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hmmm Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JeanniSkip@aol.com wrote: > > Bob apologetically wrote: > > << I remove my pointy ears and hang my head in shame. > -- > > Bob Andrews > bandrews@inreach.com >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > But the *pointy ears* guys I'm thinking of don't feel any shame (or any other > emotions, for that matter....) Some sort of anomaly, no doubt. Uh...I hang my head in logic. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:45:11 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:23:12 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Read This!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm with you on this one, Debbie (that was my reply that you quoted above). I am currently at work researching the market for a public haunt and have decided that the character of such a project would be distinctly gore-free. You may be interested in a book I just finished that deals with this topic in the movies: Terror and everyday life: singular moments in the history of the horror film by Jonathan Lake Crane 1994, Sage Publications, Inc. Thousand Oaks, CA ISBN 0-8039-5848-X This year, the closest I got to gore was a skull mask. I found (as I'm sure many did) that thoughtful use of lighting, sound FX, character and scene building can do a better job than buckets-full of fake blood. Get me started on this topic, and you'll never shut me up. Greg T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:54:42 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:31:58 -0600 (CST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: DJ Subject: Re: clear pipe/floating head Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:15 AM 11/14/96 -0500, Dale wrote: >What I am looking for is clear tubing that is not flexable. Something like >clear PVC. A few years ago we were looking for the same thing. We couldn't find it locally and had no time for a special order. Then, we managed to find a quick substitute... clear curtain rods! You can find them in the "housewares" section of department stores in many sizes, including one large enough to serve as a shower curtain rod. FWIW, we used it to build a "floating head", inspired by those novelty spigots that gush water with no visible intake. Briefly, we used a pump to carry colored water up inside the clear pipe. An inverted plastic soda bottle perched on top collected the water and allowed it to run back down on the *outside* of the pipe. We perched a mask on top and colored the water red. Viola! A floating, bleeding head that was a real hit with the 9-10 year old male crowd. They're *still* talking about that one. *Sigh*! It's hard to predict what they're gonna love, ain't it? So, Dale... you gonna tell us what evil plans you have for the clear pipe? Inquiring minds want to know! DJ, who's always pumping for new ideas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 12:54:54 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:35:12 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Denny Kennedy Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just a side note on the subject, since I do my haunt for the neighborhood trick-or-treaters, and have many small children come through my house... My aim is not to really scare little children, who can't tell the difference between fake and real. None of the trick-or-treaters have to go thru my haunt to get candy, but many parents bring their little kids through anyway. My soulution to the problem is to have someone outside the haunt warn me if any little kids are comint through. If there are little ones, I don't jump out and scare them. Sometimes they are scared of me anyway, and I have taken off my mask many a trime so they can see it's just a real person underneath. Sometimes I miss scaring some older kids by doing this, but it's worth it to make the little ones feel better... I really wish, though, that the parents wouldn't bring their little toddlers through the haunted house, especially the ones who know very well what happens at the end(I've been running my haunt for five years now...). In any case, I think it's really cruel to scare little kids... just think how you would have felt at that age... (getting down off my soapbox now...:) ) Denny Kennedy maryjane@sundial.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 13:09:23 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'allconen@btigate.com'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Read This!) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:46:01 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think this is a great topic to explore--anyone else? Debbie allconen@btigate.com I couldn't agree more Debbie. I'm not much into blood and gore, as a matter of fact I've never even seen a Freddy Kruger movie. I'm more into mood and suspense (although at least one scream would be nice). Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 13:12:53 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 cheese@adstone.com wrote: Hi Carl! > Scot, ok you got it, I tried sprinkler heads but I > cant find one with a 12" travel . I just called my local sprinkler co. and both Rainbird and Toro sell a 12" popup sprinkler. I'd check a local plumbing/sprinkler co. The one local to me is: R&J Sprinkler 916-686-4622 > I would appreciate it very much or if it is all ready out there.Keep > in mind its in the 20s here > tonight, too cold to be playing with water! I might just put this off > for now. Man, that's cold. I guess I should shouldn't complain about it getting into the low 50's tonight.... ;D *ducks and runs* don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 13:43:15 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter From: mail2pj@juno.com (Phyllis J Persun) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:22:16 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny wrote: <><> Has anyone who runs a haunt thought of separating the people into specific groups? Such as gathering up some of the younger ones, and sending them through together, while notifying the "monsters" that little kids are coming? True, age doesn't necessarily determine if the people will be scared or not, but it often does. It doesn't seem like it would be that much extra trouble, especially if you already have someone meeting the people at the entrance to the haunt. ………………… PJ mail2pj@juno.com ………………… : I've been a kid all my life. : Would you like FREE E-mail? : I'm GOOD at it, and : Write to: info@juno.com : I'm not going to stop : to find out how : just because I'm getting older! : From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 14:09:37 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:44:44 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: our halloween,errors and terrors Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kelly, Hearses for sale, hmm? GHOSTS and spooks, huh? Who ya gonna call? I wonder how much work it would be to recreate the Ghostbustermobile? I'm good with little blinky light things! Are they the right year? What's the right year? How much are you asking? Steve Mufasa1023@aol.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 11/14/96 1:15 PM In a message dated 96-11-14 01:30:31 EST, you write: << .as for the cars, maybe you need to use them more!!:) We probably should. I just wish we could either fix them or sell them. >> Kelly, I've been curious since I first read about your hearses...how does one come to own three hearses!!??? Aren't they kind of expensive? Your haunt sounded wonderful to me!! I agree with Kathy...drive one out here!!!! Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 14:49:35 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:38:36 -0500 From: Rob Freeman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny Kennedy wrote: > I really wish, though, that > the parents wouldn't bring their little toddlers through the haunted house, > especially the ones who know very well what happens at the end What ever happened to parental responsibility? > My soulution to the problem is to have someone outside the haunt warn me if > any little kids are comint through. The warning should actually be directed to the parents, not you! If you take off your mask, then there is no need for the parent be afraid of taking the child through, because they know that you toned it down the previous year. Let them know that there are no holds barred for the little tikes. If they still insist on continuing, the responsibility is on them, not you. I hope that I'm not coming across as an ogre. I feel terrible if my haunt scares a kid to tears. But once warned, the parents can suffer the consequences. In my haunt, young kids usually never made it past the second room. The parents would end up turning around and bring them out crying. So I started a policy of 'No kids under 6'. This worked generally well until I got a parent upset that his 'mature' child, who'd been through several haunted houses, couldn't go through. He almost punched me out. I finally resorted to puting up a sign: 'Kids 5 and under not permitted. No exceptions.' After that, I've had no reported problems. Sometimes I feel bad that I won't let small kids go through. I make the first room tame so that they can at least look in (a large Barbie head in a fish tank, some rubber hands and rats, one dummy, etc.). After seeing that, the meeker ones insist on staying out. The rest of my haunt is designed for an adult audience. No gore or anything. Just a good scare. The kids will be able to come through in due time. And they can check out my monsters when I move them to the front lawn on Halloween night, where they, and not the parents, can make the decision to walk pass or cross the street. -- Happy Haunting Rob Freeman freemanr@oeonline.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 14:58:54 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:49:26 -0500 From: Rob Freeman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter - where is the original post? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com While replying to Denny's post, I was thinking: I don't recall seeing the original post with subject 'scaremeter'. Was there one? Did I miss it? I think that I might have missed some other posts, as well. I've been testing out a couple of different mail packages and hope I didn't mess something up! I'd check out the archives, but the most recent is almost 5 Meg with an estimated 35 minute download time! (BTW, I'll volunteer to condense a topic!). TIA Rob Freeman - freemanr@oeonline.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 15:17:43 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:07:51 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Veteran's Day -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Cheater! Actually, a friend of mine built one--beautiful! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 15:20:17 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:07:34 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Read This!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:23 PM 11/14/96 -0800, you wrote: >I'm with you on this one, Debbie (that was my reply that you quoted above). >I am currently at work researching the market for a public haunt and have >decided that the character of such a project would be distinctly gore-free. >You may be interested in a book I just finished that deals with this topic >in the movies: Hey Greg, Most of the marketing research on seasonal/for profit haunted houses still report the fact that gore sells. Saying a gore filled public dark attraction will generally outsell a less gory one by a substantial margin. Since much of the advertising of a public attraction is by word of mouth, the gory scenes get talked about by two big age groups with disposable income... teenagers and young adults. Families tend to go for the less gory haunts. If you want to go gore free and compete with the gory haunt down the road, you should consider adding extra advertising money to the promotion figures normally suggested. >Terror and everyday life: singular moments in the history of the horror film >by Jonathan Lake Crane >1994, Sage Publications, Inc. >Thousand Oaks, CA >ISBN 0-8039-5848-X >This year, the closest I got to gore was a skull mask. I found (as I'm sure >many did) that thoughtful use of lighting, sound FX, character and scene >building can do a better job than buckets-full of fake blood. Horror films have lots of time to set up a scene that a haunted house won't. Consider the difficulties of setting up a movie quality scene or character if your normal put through is 200 people an hour, or you reach your designed maximum crank through of 600 an hour on Halloween night. While I agree totally with what you say and prefer, a haunted house operated as a money making business has a substantial "nut" just opening the doors daily that dictates many other requirements not shared with a 90 minute movie. Again, please don't take me wrong, I prefer exactly what you suggest but the realities of making a profit in a haunted house don't always agree with our/my views. Jay Corn mentions in one of his books that his haunted houses got much better and more profitable as he got away from doing and dictating things be done his way and started listening to the people who worked with or for him on his haunts. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 15:41:14 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:28:52 -0600 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JeanniSkip@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-11-14 01:30:31 EST, you write: > > << .as for the cars, maybe you need to use them more!!:) > We probably should. I just wish we could either fix them or sell them. > >> > > Kelly, > > I've been curious since I first read about your hearses...how does one come > to own three hearses!!??? Aren't they kind of expensive? > > Your haunt sounded wonderful to me!! I agree with Kathy...drive one out > here!!!! > > Jeanni Jeanni, This is Jimmy...I thought I ought to feild this one...the cars are my babies :) I have always drove custom cars ( yes I custimize them myself) I crashed the last one and bought a new geo traker on the spur of the moment right before we got married, 6 years ago. We have been so busy makeing a living the last few years that I couldnt afford a project. 2 years ago we decided we could afford me a project, the criterea of which follows... I dont need to do 180 in the 1/4 anymore I dont need something that will out corner the highway patrol anymore something that can seat a wife, two kids, and luggage comfortably something that will TURN HEADS With our love of halloween hearse was a natural, I searched around and found the first one (1968 Cadillac, rearloader) sitting in a feild for $350.00. I took it home and fell in love...If youve never looked in the back of one you should, they are very ornate cars...the 68 was realy in decent shape (right now I have all the interior ripped out)...plus the added bonus of a 500 cubic inch engine ( it will pass anything but a gas station). After we got that one I was driving down the street by a funeral home, I looked in their garage as I drove by and noticed one of their hearses didnt have any plates on it so I called them. The car was a 1971 Cadillac rearloader, it was for sale, I told Kelly about it and on my birthday she went and bought it for me :) It was only $800.00 and it normally runs like a top. The third is a 1964 Cadillac flower car that I bought last summer over the phone, without ever seeing it. Its an extreemly rare car that I bought for the investment potential. This is the one we are selling, if eveything goes right I should have it sold by the end of the month. I am also looking at two more I would like to buy this winter. I am going to finish doing the 68 this winter, so maybe a trip to CA in the spring will be in order. Sorry about the length of this...I cant seem to do a short post :) -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 15:48:33 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:21:08 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oops! I think costs will be prohibitive to convert a hearse to an ambulance! Anyone have an ambulance for sale? Steve Mufasa1023@aol.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 11/14/96 1:15 PM In a message dated 96-11-14 01:30:31 EST, you write: << .as for the cars, maybe you need to use them more!!:) We probably should. I just wish we could either fix them or sell them. >> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 15:51:27 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:43:10 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thomas W Oliver wrote: > > Hello. I was going to wait until later in the year (when the traffic should die > down a bit) to ask this, but a related subject was raised on gore-free & I thought > now was as good (or bad) a time as any. > > My question is basicly 'how SCARY should my haunt be?' There are several issues > to this, and I think most of us here would shoot back with the quick 'as scary > as I can make it!', but I still think this is a good question to ask. > > There are a couple of different types of 'arenas', if you will, that TorTers will > be faced with. There is the 'frontyard', where they can see everything from a > static display to a full blown haunt with 'halloween-action figures' & actors. > This type of area is accessable by all TorTers and you have no control over who > will enter this area. Then there are the True 'Haunts' which usually have little > to do with the ritualistic exchange of goodies, and more with the infusion of > fear and adrenaline B-) and can be either professional or amateur in scope. > > I have set up over the last six years an area in my frontyard which has been more > of a static display without any real scares other than the eerie ambience that > the lights, noise/music, and set decor give off. This has been enough of a scare > for the younger kids - tossed up between not wanting to enter & knowing that the > sugary reward awaits them at the other end; and for the older kids to gawk and > hesitate just in case there is something more... B-) And everyone, kids & adults, > all make comments like 'cool!' & 'wow!'. > > I like this level of fright for my frontyard, but since this area is more 'public' > I hesitate to make it any more scary because I don't want to see any small child > crying or wetting their pants. I'm hoping to clean out the garage for next year > to add a haunt for those TorTers bold enough to want more. This is where I want > to see kids running & screaming, and there should be more control over the age > group entering. I've got a 2.5 yr. old & some lame idiot actually set off a big pop-out ghost on her while she was TorTing! We were the only ones around & he could clearly see us. It's not my style to frighten preschoolers & we do get a good mix of ages in our neighborhood. I don't really go for the gore thing. Our house is more like creepy, mood setting, music, wry Halloween humor (maybe that's more for the parents) and so on. Before Halloween, my 13 yr. old and I were going 'round about ghoul vs. gore. His friends all think you can never have enough fake blood. > My question to the group is this, for those of you who have set up scarier areas, > what level of scary goes with what age group? Is a leaping loafer okay for all > groups coming to your front door, but too 'boring' for a 'professional' haunt? > Would you chase kids around with a chainsaw through the street? Do you warn > against kids under a certain age not to enter 'beyond these doors', and mean > it? Gore could be a part of this, but gore alone does not make most kids afraid, > just very ill. B-) We are considering 2 areas for next yr. Our porch area for little tykes & possibly our garage or side yard for an optional (and maybe blocked off) portion. Can't use the back yard 'cuz of the pool. The only thing that really bugged my 2.5 yr. old was an occasional mask on an adult. She's spent the last few days tucking 5 foot skeletons into her bed. (going to the attic tomorrow, I promise!) I went to a local haunt this year & lots of parents had 6-8 yr. olds there. They seemed really excited about it although I didn't see them when they came out. (it wasn't that great of a haunt. We won't be going to that one next yr!) The screamers seemed to be the middle school girls. They always seem to be expecting the worst, I think! > > THomas > > Thomas W Oliver |"Carpe Denarii - 'seize the dough' (TWO)" > Network Security Officer | telephone: 619 458-2175 > Science Applications International Corp.| fax: 619 535-7860 > 4110 Campus Point Court MS G2 | e-mail: oliver@nemesis.saic.com > San Diego, CA 92121 | e-mail: Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 15:58:02 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:49:31 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian Henderson wrote: > > > Hello. I was going to wait until later in the year (when the traffic > > should die down a bit) to ask this, but a related subject was raised > > on gore-free & I thought now was as good (or bad) a time as any. > > Any time is a good time. :) > > > My question is basicly 'how SCARY should my haunt be?' There are > > several issues to this, and I think most of us here would shoot back > > with the quick 'as scary as I can make it!', but I still think this > > is a good question to ask. > > > > I do have two areas, one for candy and one for the haunt, so they are > totally separate, BTW. > > Personally, my haunts are pretty darned scary and designed to be that > way. The last major haunted house I put together didn't permit > children under 13 without an adult and we made no pretenses. > > The big one I'm putting together next year will have warnings on it, > but I found a good idea at another local haunt and will be giving out > glowing paddles to anyone who doesn't want to be jumped on by the > roving ghosts and the 'scare' will be toned down. I like that idea. I think it will also do you a lot of good when word of mouth gets around. I've known a _lot_ of people that would go in then that might not have the really scary way. My question is what if I want to be scared & I'm in a group of 10 & eight of them are holding paddles? Is that going to have a big effect on my personal scare? In other words, if most of my group wants the toned-down version, are the rovers just going to let the whole group get by or try to somehow jump out at the 1 or 2 people without paddles? I like the concept but can't seem to relate it to places I've been in, I guess. > > I found that they years that we actually warned people about the > intensity of the haunt, we had three or four times more people going > through than when we didn't. Aaaah, the powers of advertising...... > > But that's just me. :) > > -Brian From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 16:02:40 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:52:25 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: SFX Tapes Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You guys are reforming me. I went home last night, dug out the 2 Disney SFX LPs and copied them to cassette. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 16:16:42 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:24:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Don, HI! You wrote: HA>I just called my local sprinkler co. and both Rainbird and Toro sell a HA>12" popup sprinkler. I'd check a local plumbing/sprinkler co. HA>The one local to me is: R&J Sprinkler 916-686-4622 HA>> I would appreciate it very much or if it is all ready out there.Keep HA>> in mind its in the 20s here HA>> tonight, too cold to be playing with water! I might just put this off HA>> for now. Well this changes things a bit, Thanks for the info, I was misinformed by my local plumbing supply store guess he wanted to sell me what he had in stock.Back to the ol drawing board., should be easy and cheap to build now! Carl Chetta From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 16:59:27 1996 From: R4M2J1@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:50:40 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: clear pipe/floating head Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com DJ wrote; << FWIW, we used it to build a "floating head", inspired by those novelty spigots that gush water with no visible intake. Briefly, we used a pump to carry colored water up inside the clear pipe. An inverted plastic soda bottle perched on top collected the water and allowed it to run back down on the *outside* of the pipe. We perched a mask on top and colored the water red. Viola! A floating, bleeding head that was a real hit with the 9-10 year old male crowd. They're *still* talking about that one. *Sigh*! It's hard to predict what they're gonna love, ain't it? So, Dale... you gonna tell us what evil plans you have for the clear pipe? Inquiring minds want to know! >> Well DJ I think you explained it prefect. Thats almost exactly what I was thinking of doing. You beat me to it. Well now I know who to ask for help from if I run into any problems with the project. BTW what kind of pump did you use? Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 16:59:28 1996 From: R4M2J1@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:50:47 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 96-11-14 15:35:36 EST, you write: << Dale , How long? what diameter ? >> Carl, I'm looking for something around 3 to 5' and 1/2" ID or anything close. Dale r4m2j1@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:13:46 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:05:25 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com what do you need it for ???/ if it does not need to be all that strong, you Could use the clear tubes that are used to prevent a big mess when someone smashes a ball into an over head fluresent light tube.. ( ah um dont askk me how i know this...) and yes , it can be found at the depot Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:24:12 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:15:28 -0400 From: Jason R To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: > > JeanniSkip@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 96-11-14 01:30:31 EST, you write: > > > > << .as for the cars, maybe you need to use them more!!:) > > We probably should. I just wish we could either fix them or sell them. > > >> > > > > Kelly, > > > > I've been curious since I first read about your hearses...how does one come > > to own three hearses!!??? Aren't they kind of expensive? > > > > Your haunt sounded wonderful to me!! I agree with Kathy...drive one out > > here!!!! > > > > Jeanni > Jeanni, > > This is Jimmy...I thought I ought to feild this one...the >cars are my > babies :) > > I have always drove custom cars ( yes I custimize them >myself) I Say, you dont happen to live in Buffalo NY do you. I have a bunch of stuff I need to do to my 1990 Chevy Pontiac LE. Namely puple neon on the inside {Under the seats, and dashboard for effects} new CD player installed. {Has to be mounted under the dash, as the dash isnt big enough to house it} and non-neon Electrolumenscnt pin-stripeing on the outside. {Cool stuff} Gee you know what. I think I just listed the make of the car wrong!. Hmmm.. These cold pills must be kicking in!. La la laaaa Oh look what a pretty horse in my bathroom. :) Jay -- Jason R Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} VRC Homepage, Use it to find out ALL your Disney info needs. --Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:25:34 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:16:43 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: John Wohlers Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:22 PM 11/14/96 EST, you wrote: >Denny wrote: ><><I miss scaring some older kids by doing this,>> > >Has anyone who runs a haunt thought of separating the people into >specific groups? Such as gathering up some of the younger ones, and >sending them through together, while notifying the "monsters" that little >kids are coming? True, age doesn't necessarily determine if the people >will be scared or not, but it often does. It doesn't seem like it would >be that much extra trouble, especially if you already have someone >meeting the people at the entrance to the haunt. In the last haunt I worked at, we used guides with flashlights. They would flash the lights just before entering the room. We settled on 3 slower flashes for children and two fast flashes for adults. That way the ghouls would know weither or now to go into full scare or just take it easy John ************************************************************* * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * * John Wohlers O- * * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * ************************************************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:25:54 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:17:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com the low 50s .........WIMP............ tonight in the little state of RI... it is in the low 20s... and the forcast is for our first snow....... YIKES so what sort of preasure will i need for the pop up sprinkler>>>> do you think a pond type pump ( cheap ) would do it... its WAY TOO COLD to go out and play tonight Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:33:24 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:25:49 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 96-11-14 15:04:54 EST, you write: HA>Scot Scot, ok you got it, I tried sprinkler heads but I cant find one with a 12" travel . so I make one, But the head turns any way it wants to when it wants to so now I use two cyl per head so it cant turn, Then the whole thing floats away! so now I attach pvc along side just to fill with sand or cement, but that isnt all, the heads dont go down because styrofoam heads under the masks refuse to sink so now I will try to use somthing else for a head. I call this FOUNTAIN FREAKS. If you or anyone can help I would appreciate it very much or if it is all ready out there.Keep in mind its in the 20s here tonight, too cold to be playing with water! I might just put this off for now. Carl Chetta >> hey carl isnt this more fun... the big question is..... what about the pump... or the preasure.?????? i think that the spring in the sprinkler would be able to pull the plastic skull down ... i wouldnt use any foam...... and if i recall the pop up sprinkler that i saw a while ago had some sort of guide so it wouldnt spin... so it wouldnt spin around and hit you in the ass as you walk to the driveway.. or something like that....... Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:38:29 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:26:14 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: scaremeter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Phyllis J Persun wrote: > Has anyone who runs a haunt thought of separating the people into > specific groups? Such as gathering up some of the younger ones, and > sending them through together, while notifying the "monsters" that little > kids are coming? We were worried about this specific problem, so when we promoted our haunted house this year, we had a session for "friendly ghosties" and a different session for the "Ghouls". It seemed to work pretty well. Debbie allconen@btigate.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 17:51:47 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:50:48 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: clear pipe Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For a haunted house I tried to get some lenghts of clear pipe so that I could have them bubbling as part of Dr Frankenstein's lab. However, I could only find them at a plastics place, and they weren't cheap. But these were thick walled pipes, and I have long seen cheap thin tubes that are used to ship drawings, etc. Couldn't find any of those that year, but finally I stumbled across exactly what I was looking for at Home Depot. They are plastic covers for 8' florescent tubes. They are only a few dollars each. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 18:11:48 1996 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:10:01 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Weather Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >the low 50s .........WIMP............ tonight in the little state of RI... it >is in the low 20s... and the forcast is for our first snow....... YIKES It is definitely an early winter for many of us. Last week it almost dropped below 60 here in Miami. I even turned off the Air conditioning. I feel strongly that winter should only be permitted to exist as a mood-setting thing for the holidays. Then after Jan 1, it should be spring. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 18:29:54 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:23:23 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ripley's Believe It...(used to be long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 96-11-14 12:57:20 EST, you write: << There is a Ripleys about half a block north of Knott's Berry Farm also. Its been there oh, about 3 years now. We could add that on to the So. Cal. get together. What say you? Steve and Lori >> Steve and Lori, Good idea! The only one came to my mind was in Las Vegas...but that's a whole different deal!!! Does this mean count you two in???!!! Jeanni From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 18:30:01 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:28:22 -0700 Subject: Fountain Freaks To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Carl, for Fountain freaks, about a couple of days back I posted a purely mechanical linkage to lift the heads out of the water. Basically, it's the same double lift arm that Halween Outlet uses for their trashcan trauma clone. The difference that I have a bycycle cable pulling it back. The double arms means it stays upright. You can try scultping the inside of the skull to have water flow out the eyes, or you can run a small clear PVC tube in back and pump it through. If you use a weight on the bottom of the arm, it would sink down as required. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 18:35:44 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:34:24 -0700 Subject: RE: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Rea To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jaqui, for a good bit of suspense, get only the FIRST Nightmare on Elm St. It does have gore, but it also has a lot of suspense, and a wierd sense of humor. The two actual deaths with gore in the movie are also carried out in bizarre ways that regular slashers would never do. (listen carefully for the call letters on the radio in Glen's bed death near the end :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 19:05:55 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:31:42 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: San Diegans Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg, How long would it take to drive from Sonoma to San Diego!! I could have lunch and then drive home!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 19:07:01 1996 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:33:02 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: My Haunted Porch(LONG!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, If you can't get sick and demented help from your ghoul pals who can you get it from :) Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 14 19:08:03 1996 From: Ldwarf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:53:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: i need some help...LONG RAMBLE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com hi all ... i have been thinking , for a long while, about opening a for profit haunt,, or perhaps a "museum of death and torture" .. i live in RI and we have no well run haunts.. we do have several charity houses.. and well they do try, but dont often follow through, and are a big disapointment....( i go to all of them ,and ask everyone what they think) we have one big haunt...in nearby MASS. they were called haunted island, but this year they purchased a LARGE( about the size of the clide beaty & cole bros. circus) tent and have changed the name to "terrors from the crypt".. they are a large maze,not all that safe. way too much smoke and fog and you get tired of turning yet another corner and walking into another strobe blasting through the fog...AGAIN.. and a few kids with the ever popular chain saws. the coolest thing they had was the electric chair.. and although it was cool, the presentation stank..they figure you can drop 5 thousand on a pre fab gag and that is it. but the weekend that i attended they pushed through 2000 people at 8 or 10 bucks each.... you do the math... and for what, a pretty lame show... .it looks like the people in this area are starved for something to do, if they flock to this type of thing. i worked for a while with a guy who runs a haunt in texas, and they take in 100 thousand in a month and a half... yikes.. looks like making money and having fun can go hand in hand. now im not saying that i would be in this for the big bucks, but, hey it wouldnt hurt, now would it i would like to do something different and do it well, i have yet to see a haunt in this area that looked like they took pride in the work. or had any artistic skill .(yikes did i say that...) i have a varied backround, mostly props, lighting, and scenic design for the theatre... oh and i did one movie, aint i the big shot (ack) so i think i could handle the design and building of the event ( i want to keep it small and "easy" the first year) but i would love to talk to someone who has done this. or better yet someone who has tried and failed, so i could talk myself out of this silly idea. i have no concept of what it will take on the busness side of things.. i have the philip moris book.. but it dosnt look like it will be of any real life help , for a for profit haunt.... the big guestion is has anyone tried to run a house, what are the pitfalls.. what should i look out for? am i nutts? i am taking a this year to think it over and research anything and everything.. from location. design, a theme, local laws, and what it is that