will spook out a person in style.  so from this fine group.. i am looking for
help... anything you have to say on the subject????  and one last thing ... i
have been searching high and low for some information , im looking for any
sort information re: torture devices.. i would love to find some photos or
even some simple line drawings......anything is better than what i have.. and
that is next to nothing... i would like to draw up a set of plans, and build
some.. either for the yard, or for an eventual " museum of death and torture"
 but the problem is im having one hell of a time finding anything to go on..,
so far its just a concept.  i have checked with the local libary, and they
are doing a search for me,  but so far im still waiting for a book to be sent
in from some libary in the middle of the country.  and that is still just a
long shot,  so if anyone has any clue, any idea, anything that i could go on
, i would love the help.

WOW , do i ramble or what?   and my typing...... yikes

thanks for listening
Scott

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 19:18:13 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:56:41 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: scaremeter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Ghouls,
  That is what we did this year. We held back little ones that were
scared and before we took them through we rang a spooky bell! That way
the axman did not lift up the head, the dragon did not blow smoke, and
the gypsy did not curse them to die in the house!! Worked pretty well,
but some of the older bros and sisters did not want to go with them so
they would go by themselves. Some parents were worried about
this...something to work on for next year.
Kathy
the new kid on the crypt
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 19:25:08 1996
From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:16:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: clear pipe
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>What I am looking for is clear tubing that is not flexable.

Try a dealer specializing in plexiglass.  There is one here in New Orleans
which sells variious sizes, called Cadillac Plastic and Chemical
at (504) 834-6222.

-Doug
***********************************************************************
*  Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency:  *       Doug Ferguson      *
*         The Keys To The Kingdom          *  dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu  *
***********************************************************************

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 19:35:26 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 05:13:35 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Ripley's Believe It...(used to be long)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Karen,
  I will check and find out!! I have not been there in years so I hope
it is still there.
Kathy
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 19:59:26 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:50:26 -0600 (CST)
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: DJ <dejay@midwest.net>
Subject: Re: clear pipe/floating head
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 07:50 PM 11/14/96 -0500, Dale wrote:

(floating head description snipped)

>Well DJ I think you explained it prefect.  Thats almost exactly what I was
>thinking of doing.  You beat me to it.

Ooops!  Sorry about that.  But, I guess they *do* say that great minds think
alike, eh?

>Well now I know who to ask for help from if I run into any problems with the
>project.

Well, we can sure tell you lots of things that *won't* work!  <G>  Actually,
it wasn't that difficult.  You will probably need to trim off the neck of
the soda bottle and enlarge the opening, though.  Also, if you poke a few
holes surrounding the opening, the "splattering" effect is better.

>BTW what kind of pump did you use?

We started out using an old pump we had cannibalized from a soda fountain.
(Remember how they used to spray the orange soda up in the air inside the
glass dispenser?)  Anyway, of course this didn't have enough force to work
well. After swearing and making a complete mess of my kitchen, we just went
to Wal-Mart and bought a sump pump.  It worked fine for floating the head
about 4 feet over a bloody bucket.  If we do this again, I expect we'd use a
pump we bought this year (for a different display) at Graingers.  It was
only about $40 and lifted water 8 feet without even breathing hard.  If
you're interested in the model number, let me know and I'll find it for you.

Keep us posted on how it turns out.  And brace yourself for all the praise
you're gonna get from those 10 year old boys!

DJ, who still fondly remembers all those "Oh, Man...K-E-W-L!" comments.

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 20:08:06 1996
From: R4M2J1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:01:12 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: clear pipe/floating head
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

<< Keep us posted on how it turns out.  And brace yourself for all the praise
 you're gonna get from those 10 year old boys!
 
 DJ, who still fondly remembers all those "Oh, Man...K-E-W-L!" comments. >>

Thanks again for the info I'll keep you posted.

Dale  r4m2j1@aol.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 21:05:37 1996
From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:45:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: scaremeter
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>In any case, I think it's really cruel to scare little kids...
>just think how you would have felt at that age...

Denny K,

Once upon a time, long ago in an amusement park far, far away, there was
a dark ride called 'Laff in the Dark.'  One fateful night, a
five-year-old child climbed into one of the cars with his parents, who
assured him that the ride would be a lot of fun, and that there really
were lights inside.  The experience terrified the child so badly that
he screamed and hid his eyes.

When this little boy got older, he kept having dreams, odd dreams
which were set in a bizarre world which seemed to be one enormous
amusement park, which went on forever.  There were many odd rides, and
most of them were dark rides.  At first, he was scared, but eventually,
he became fascinated - so fascinated, in fact, that he made a lifelong
hobby of studying the subject and engineering special effects like the
ones he saw in that terrifying first ride.

He is still scared by a really _good_ dark ride, but now he willingly
submits to the experience, considering the best examples of the form to
be true art.  Some might call this 'compensation', 'reaction-formation'
or 'obsession'.  He refers to it as 'a heck of a lot of fun.'

Do I know him?  Of course I know him.  He's me.

-Doug

P.S.  The opinions of other terrified grown-up kids are their own.  I do
not pretend to speak for anyone but myself.  ;-)

***********************************************************************
*  Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency:  *       Doug Ferguson      *
*         The Keys To The Kingdom          *  dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu  *
***********************************************************************

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 21:30:45 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:18:45 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: list get-togethers- Midwest
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-14 12:43:59 EST, you write:

<< Hey, no problem Denny. Fill up the hog and I'll take you to one cool shop
 here in town. (Awsome prices on leather). 
 Roger is close to me, and Louisville is about an hour from here. 
 
 John >>

Hey, I am just an hour from Louisville also - so dont forget me
Karen B

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 21:38:52 1996
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:11:58 -0800
From: "John P. Jeffries" <mrscary@kiva.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: X-Files
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Lauren Jones wrote:
> 
> Does anyone watch X-Files?  If I hear one more
> person say SAM-HAYNE, I'm going to scream.

Sa.....Na, I won't do it:)

John

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 21:40:15 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:38:27 -0500 (EST)
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee)
Subject: ALot of messages
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

  I don't know if I can on this list much longer. I was hoping the traffic
would slow down after Oct 31, but if anything it has increased. Since you
all aren't building, you are posting!

  I have been scanning the topics, and only reading about 5%, but with the
other lists I am on, I have to wade through about 150-200 messages a day. It
has become overwhelming.

  I though I would throw out a few suggestions that might reduce the traffic
some, but not reduce any of the content. I had thought about suggesting that
the group split into two groups, but didn't see any obvious divisions that
make sense. There was only one idea I had left.

  There are a number of replies on the line of "Thanks for that Info, I will
let you know how it works for me". While such comments are actually good,
perhaps they could be sent private e-mail instead of to the entire list. 

  There are other comments such as "yeah, me too" that are sometimes
discouraged on lists, I feel these actually give feedback that should be
public. It serves as kind of a guage of how many people are interested in
the topic... perhaps encouraging a lurker with an idea to add their own idea.

Joe Dunfee
Miami, Florida USA

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 21:52:53 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:36:35 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: scaremeter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-14 16:38:41 EST, you write:

<< Has anyone who runs a haunt thought of separating the people into
 specific groups?  Such as gathering up some of the  younger ones, and
 sending them through together, while notifying the "monsters" that little
 kids are coming?  >>

Yes, For many years the City Police Department put on a haunted house with
proceeds going to the Salvation Army.  This is where I first got so involved
in Halloween (my dad was police chief) and this was in the early 80's.  We
would always worn the different rooms of monsters that small children or the
elderly were coming through and it worked great.  We let the parents know we
were doing this and if their older children wanted to go in a separate group
they could.

The best part of this haunted house was where it was.  The atmosphere could
not be better.  This was in Frankfort, KY and the old (and I mean old) jail
house was actually built into the side of a mountain.  All the walls were
stone, with natural dripping water and very damp.  Each of the cells had no
windows and the doors where about 4 foot wide made out of solid wood planks
with about a square foot of iron bars for them to look out of.  The people
had to walk up about 60 steps to get to the jail and since it had not been
used in 30 - 40 years it was all overgroan and we even had that haunted.

The best night I can remember was when I was a tour guide and it was very
hard to get a group to go into each cell so we of course had a monster come
up behind them to get them to go in.  (it was not unusual to have three or 4
cases of wet pants each night and this was adults.)  I was a tour guide and
my group would not go into the witches and worlock cell so here comes the
monster I am in the cell and our group was about 10 adults and teenagers.
 One of the teenagers was so scared that they hid behind the cell door which
opened out into the hall.  When everyone was in and before the monster could
get out this teenager slammed the door.  WE HAD NO KEYS.  Everyone in the
cell started getting very upset and scarred.  Our ghouls had to unmask to
calm everyone down and it took almost an hour for the door to be taken off of
the hinges.    This was the highlight of our evening.  (not mine there for a
little while.

Karen B

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 22:17:03 1996
From: cheese@adstone.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:29:20 -0500 
Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Scot you wrote:

HA>isnt this more fun...
HA> the big question is.....  what about the pump... or the preasure.??????  i
HA>think that the spring in the sprinkler would be able to pull the plastic
HA>skull down ... i wouldnt use any foam......  and if i recall the pop up
HA>sprinkler that i saw a while ago had some sort of guide so it wouldnt spin..
HA> so it wouldnt spin around and hit you in the ass as you walk to the
HA>driveway..   or something like that.......

HA>Scot
              I had never got that far yet , I believe we can find out
by testing pressure from the garden hose, then finding a pump that will
have the same pressure. I test mine with the hose my neighbors think I
lost it . or wait for the BIG GUYS  hint hint  to tell us .or just read
the label on the sprinkler head .
ANYWAY my darn hose is frozen now!
                                                            Carl Chetta
  

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 22:25:48 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:08:51 -0800
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Greg Hope <ghope@coyote.csusm.edu>
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 04:31 AM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Greg,
>  How long would it take to drive from Sonoma to San Diego!! I could
>have lunch and then drive home!! 
>Kathy
>the new kid on the crypt
>mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com
>
You're something else, Kathy!!  I made the drive in 8 hours.  If you manage
to borrow a hearse from the Brandts, you could probably run red lights on
the way and shave off an hour.

Greg
>

T (619) 945-4424
F (619) 726-2804
E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Thu Nov 14 23:10:56 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:13:00 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: "John P. Jeffries" <mrscary@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: list get-togethers- Midwest
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 12:18 AM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-11-14 12:43:59 EST, you write:
>
><< Hey, no problem Denny. Fill up the hog and I'll take you to one cool shop
> here in town. (Awsome prices on leather). 
> Roger is close to me, and Louisville is about an hour from here. 
> 
> John >>
>
>Hey, I am just an hour from Louisville also - so dont forget me
>Karen B
>

Now why would we do that...You have all the cool back roads to drop bodies
along when you go back:)

John  (:=   (:=  (:=  (:=

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 00:12:05 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:03:38 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: IAAPA convention
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Doug,
I didn't know you were in the Big Easy! You are probably our closest
list neighbor. We'll be at Patout's Fat Tuesday (yearly tradition).
Maybe we'll see you around. You won't be able to miss Jimmy...He's the
one with the big black top hat that's covered with PGG roses!
Kelly

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 01:06:06 1996
From: htraver@dreamsys.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:02:04 -0700 
Subject: i need some help...LONG RAMBLE
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Scott, welcome to the list, and what I would recommend is RESEARCH. Me
and my best friend have been attending haunted houses for over a decade
now, studying what makes them tick. We want to get into a similar line,
of a full scale haunted house for us to operate.

My very best recommendation would be to get a hold of Denny, Tewrror By
Design productions. He has this book for your case, which I had
purchased. It's a book on making modular dark attractions, aka haunted
houses, by JB Corn. Ot's a VERY expensive book, at $75 or so. HOWEVER.
The book is very much what you are looking for. It details 20 years
worth of experience in haunted house making. Call it a VERY wise
investment. Others carry the book, you can find it on the web. I
recommend Denny because he's an honest and good dealer to work with.

also, stay on the list. We discuss all scale of things in here. Lots of
fun and original ideas get tossed around and reshaped. The list is warm
and friendly. Hang out with us. You'll like it.

Harry Traver

[  Sent From:  Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com  ]
[   Location:    Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529    ] 

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 02:14:00 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:58:59 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Hello gathered ghouls,

	with all the intrest in our hearses I thought I would list a few sites
for your browsing pleaser...

Los Angeles Hearse Society
http://pages.prodigy.com/CA/LA/hearse/

My personal favorite
The Grim Rides Funeral Car Club
http://www.best.com/~border/grimrides/grimrides.html

Be sure to check out the message board here for some hearses and
ambulances for sale...
Professional Car Society
http://www.professionalcar.org/index.html

		If anyone decides they are going to buy one let me know and I will let
you know if its a good deal (Ive gained a lot of hearse-scense in the
last couple years).  Also you would be suprised how many funeral homes
have old hearses they cant sell.

	I anyone wants more info let me know.
-- 
 

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 02:43:49 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:34:49 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Jay,

	A 1990 Chevy Pontiac LE sounds pretty custom already.  ;)

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 03:13:28 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:02:03 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: scaremeter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

KBarn37781@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-11-14 16:38:41 EST, you write:
> 
> << Has anyone who runs a haunt thought of separating the people into
>  specific groups?  Such as gathering up some of the  younger ones, and
>  sending them through together, while notifying the "monsters" that little
>  kids are coming?  >>
> 
> Yes, For many years the City Police Department put on a haunted house with
> proceeds going to the Salvation Army.  This is where I first got so involved
> in Halloween (my dad was police chief) and this was in the early 80's.  We
> would always worn the different rooms of monsters that small children or the
> elderly were coming through and it worked great.  We let the parents know we
> were doing this and if their older children wanted to go in a separate group
> they could.
> 
> The best part of this haunted house was where it was.  The atmosphere could
> not be better.  This was in Frankfort, KY and the old (and I mean old) jail
> house was actually built into the side of a mountain.  All the walls were
> stone, with natural dripping water and very damp.  Each of the cells had no
> windows and the doors where about 4 foot wide made out of solid wood planks
> with about a square foot of iron bars for them to look out of.  The people
> had to walk up about 60 steps to get to the jail and since it had not been
> used in 30 - 40 years it was all overgroan and we even had that haunted.
> 
> The best night I can remember was when I was a tour guide and it was very
> hard to get a group to go into each cell so we of course had a monster come
> up behind them to get them to go in.  (it was not unusual to have three or 4
> cases of wet pants each night and this was adults.)  I was a tour guide and
> my group would not go into the witches and worlock cell so here comes the
> monster I am in the cell and our group was about 10 adults and teenagers.
>  One of the teenagers was so scared that they hid behind the cell door which
> opened out into the hall.  When everyone was in and before the monster could
> get out this teenager slammed the door.  WE HAD NO KEYS.  Everyone in the
> cell started getting very upset and scarred.  Our ghouls had to unmask to
> calm everyone down and it took almost an hour for the door to be taken off of
> the hinges.    This was the highlight of our evening.  (not mine there for a
> little while.
> 
> Karen B

Karen,

	For the first time in my life...I WANNA GO TO JAIL!!!
Is it still there?  I would definatley drive the hearse over to see
this.
-- 
 

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 03:37:25 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 06:32:11 EST
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Bill Lewis <lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 03:58 AM 11/15/96 -0600, you wrote:

Speaking of Hearse's.
Lauren, you may have seen this when you came by my house to check out the
yard... There is a Funeral home about 3/4 of a mile away from me in
Laytonsville, MD. It is a old family business. In the front they have a
glass display window with a very old horse drawn hearse carriage in it.  It
is in beautiful shape.  One of these days I'm going to go take a picture of
it.  If anyone is really interested on seeing some pics, I'll put more
effort into it.

Bill Lewis
NSWC Carderock Division
Code 6060
(301) 227-2742
lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil
lewisb@erols.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 03:43:14 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 06:36:58 EST
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Bill Lewis <lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Hmmm
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 02:59 PM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Bob apologetically wrote:
><< I remove my pointy ears and hang my head in shame.
> Bob Andrews
> bandrews@inreach.com >>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>But the *pointy ears* guys I'm thinking of don't feel any shame (or any other
>emotions, for that matter....)    Some sort of anomaly, no doubt.

Not unless they're Romulans
BTW anyone see the recent STDS9 with the with the original Tribble episode
"merged" with it. I almost fell off the sofa laughing when the subject about
past and present Klingon appearances came up.

Bill Lewis
NSWC Carderock Division
Code 6060
(301) 227-2742
lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil
lewisb@erols.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 03:51:15 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:40:49 -0500
From: ROGER ALEXANDER <RDA413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
To: cproctor@flash.net, halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject:  milk jug skeleton (reply) -Reply
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>>> The Proctors <cproctor@flash.net> 11/14/96  11:51 am >>>
KBarn37781@aol.com wrote:
>  > Karen,
>  > Did you receive my mail about being a guinnie (sp) pig for you posting.  It
> doesn't show as read when I sent it to your EMail.  If not please sent it.
>  > Karen

Karen, well, I attempted to send it but really strange things happened.  (including it  shutting down
my computer!!!?!)  Either I'm totally screwing up something really simple  or I've got comp. problems I
haven't got figured out yet. I am working on it again later  today (gotta go in a minute) & I'll see what
happens.  I also tried to send a different  file to my fa-in-law & the same thing happened.  Can't figure
out yet which of the 3  programs involved would cause the prob.  Haven't even pinpointed exactly
what the  problem is yet.  Oh wait, I just got an idea on that.  I'll try again later & then I'll  resort to
snail mail, I guess, so at least you won't be waiting on me any longer! (still  got your address)

karen
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

How bout posting it at a web site?  Would like a copy too (as would several other people) and your
snail mail costs are gonna get ridiculous.  Maybe Denny can help?  Or Don?  Can go right in there
next to TCT or FG.  ;)

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Roger Alexander                                      Phone:  812-854-4748
Naval Surface Warfare Center             Fax:        812-854-3508
Bldg 64  Code 111RA
Crane, IN   47522

INTERNET:  rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil

Supporting the Fleet through Supply!

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 04:08:57 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:00:12 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bill Lewis wrote:
> 
> At 03:58 AM 11/15/96 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Hearse's.
> Lauren, you may have seen this when you came by my house to check out the
> yard... There is a Funeral home about 3/4 of a mile away from me in
> Laytonsville, MD. It is a old family business. In the front they have a
> glass display window with a very old horse drawn hearse carriage in it.  It
> is in beautiful shape.  One of these days I'm going to go take a picture of
> it.  If anyone is really interested on seeing some pics, I'll put more
> effort into it.
> 
> Bill Lewis
> NSWC Carderock Division
> Code 6060
> (301) 227-2742
> lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil
> lewisb@erols.com
Jimmy wrote:

	Bill,

		We would love to see the photos...Kelly has been trying to get me to
buy an old horse drawn.
-- 
 

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 04:19:33 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:05:39 -0500
From: ROGER ALEXANDER <RDA413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject:  Re: list get-togethers- Midwest -Reply
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>>> John P. Jeffries <mrscary@kiva.net> 11/15/96  2:13 am >>>
At 12:18 AM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-11-14 12:43:59 EST, you write:
>
><< Hey, no problem Denny. Fill up the hog and I'll take you to one cool shop
> here in town. (Awsome prices on leather).  > Roger is close to me, and Louisville is about an hour
from here.  >  > John >>
>
>Hey, I am just an hour from Louisville also - so dont forget me
>Karen B
>

Now why would we do that...You have all the cool back roads to drop bodies along when you go
back:)

John  (:=   (:=  (:=  (:=

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

ROTFL!!!

Hey, I'd forgot about that John!  Good point!  }:-)

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Roger Alexander                                      Phone:  812-854-4748
Naval Surface Warfare Center             Fax:        812-854-3508
Bldg 64  Code 111RA
Crane, IN   47522

INTERNET:  rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil

Supporting the Fleet through Supply!

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 04:19:47 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:02:21 -0500
From: ROGER ALEXANDER <RDA413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject:  Re: list get-togethers- Midwest -Reply
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>>> <KBarn37781@aol.com> 11/15/96  12:18 am >>>
In a message dated 96-11-14 12:43:59 EST, you write:

<< Hey, no problem Denny. Fill up the hog and I'll take you to one cool shop
 here in town. (Awsome prices on leather). 
 Roger is close to me, and Louisville is about an hour from here. 
 
 John >>

Hey, I am just an hour from Louisville also - so dont forget me
Karen B

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

We could *never* forget you Karen!  ;)  So where would be the best place?  Bloomington would be
great, but I'm beginning to think maybe Indy would be more centrally (sp?) located.  What's the
general opinion?

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Roger Alexander                                      Phone:  812-854-4748
Naval Surface Warfare Center             Fax:        812-854-3508
Bldg 64  Code 111RA
Crane, IN   47522

INTERNET:  rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil

Supporting the Fleet through Supply!

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 04:34:48 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:21:02 -0500
From: ROGER ALEXANDER <RDA413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject:  Re: Hmmm -Reply
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>>> Bill Lewis <lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil> 11/15/96  6:36 am >>>
At 02:59 PM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Bob apologetically wrote:
><< I remove my pointy ears and hang my head in shame.
> Bob Andrews
> bandrews@inreach.com >>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>But the *pointy ears* guys I'm thinking of don't feel any shame (or any other
>emotions, for that matter....)    Some sort of anomaly, no doubt.

Not unless they're Romulans
BTW anyone see the recent STDS9 with the with the original Tribble episode
"merged" with it. I almost fell off the sofa laughing when the subject about past and present Klingon
appearances came up.

Bill Lewis
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I stayed up and watched that one!  Taped it too and watched it twice more!  I LOVED IT!!  And I also
loved the thing about the "different" Klingons.  Was a riot!  And how about the explanation of why
tribbles kept trickling (tribbling?  :D ) down on Bill's head?  Was ROTFL!  By far one of the best DS9
episodes to date.  Aren't computer technology grand?  Without it, we'd never see anything like this.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Alexander                                      Phone:  812-854-4748
Naval Surface Warfare Center             Fax:        812-854-3508
Bldg 64  Code 111RA
Crane, IN   47522

INTERNET:  rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil

Supporting the Fleet through Supply!

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 05:13:28 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:54:31 -0800
From: Bob Andrews <bandrews@inreach.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bill Lewis wrote:
>In the front they have a
> glass display window with a very old horse drawn hearse carriage in it.  It
> is in beautiful shape.  One of these days I'm going to go take a picture of
> it.  If anyone is really interested on seeing some pics, I'll put more
> effort into it.

Egads!  Bill, PLEASE take some pictures!  I'm building one, and I'm
having trouble finding reference material.  One from the side and one
from the back would be ideal (like I have a choice! ;-D).

Bob Andrews 
bandrews@inreach.com
http://www.anaserve.com/~bobandrews

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 05:45:26 1996
From: Jacqui Young <Jacqui.Young@CCIW.ca>
To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" <halloween-l@netcom.com>,
        "'mrscary@kiva.net'" <mrscary@kiva.net>
Subject: RE: Mr. Scary
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:39:45 -0500
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Okay John, this should be going straight to your Kiva address, with a copy 
to the list.  Again I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, but I really want 
to see Mr. Scarys web page

----------

At 07:53 AM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>John I still can't get to your server.  I've tried the www.kiva.net and I
can't even get that far.  Any other suggestions.
>
>Jacqui
>jacqui.young@cciw.ca

E-gad! Hummm, can't hit the server eh? O.K. If you can get me the # of YOUR
server, I'll forward it to Kiva and see what the problem is:)

My server is csx.cciw.ca

Also, try to send me E-mail to my kiva address (mrscary@kiva.net) send a
copy to the list so I know you sent it. If your E-mail does not make it,
there is a big problemo' going on.

Give it a shot, let's see what happens:

Hauntingly

John P. Jeffries

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 06:15:54 1996
From: Jacqui Young <Jacqui.Young@CCIW.ca>
To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" <halloween-l@netcom.com>,
        "'Joe Dunfee'" <jdunfee@shadow.net>
Subject: RE: Weather
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:02:20 -0500
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>the low 50s .........WIMP............ tonight in the little state of RI... 
it
>is in the low 20s...   and the forcast is for our first snow....... YIKES

  It is definitely an early winter for many of us. Last week it almost
dropped below 60 here in Miami. I even turned off the Air conditioning.

  I feel strongly that winter should only be permitted to exist as a
mood-setting thing for the holidays. Then after Jan 1, it should be spring.

Joe Dunfee
Miami, Florida USA

I agree Joe, We had our first snow before Halloween.  I've decided it 
should snow Dec 23rd to Jan 2nd and then knock it off.  The alternative of 
course would be, snow if you must keep it off the roads and sidewalks. 
 I've had one too many accidents with a blowout in a snowstorm (only takes 
one of those).

Jacqui
jacqui.young@cciw.ca

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 06:23:16 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:07:41 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Greg wrote:
>> If you manage to borrow a hearse from the Brandts, you could probably >>run red lights on the way and shave off an hour.

Kelly wrote: 
the way they were running at halloween, Kathy could walk and get there
faster! <:) 

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 06:31:21 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:18:17 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Weather
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Joe Dunfee wrote:
> 
> >the low 50s .........WIMP............ tonight in the little state of RI... it
> >is in the low 20s...   and the forcast is for our first snow....... YIKES
> 
>   It is definitely an early winter for many of us. Last week it almost
> dropped below 60 here in Miami. I even turned off the Air conditioning.
> 
>   I feel strongly that winter should only be permitted to exist as a
> mood-setting thing for the holidays. Then after Jan 1, it should be spring.
> 
> Joe Dunfee
> Miami, Florida USA

I second that vote!!!!!!
Kelly
-- 
             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 06:33:25 1996
From: milwiron@btprod.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:17:12 -0600
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: scaremeter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 05:38 PM 11/14/96 -0500, Rob wrote in part:

>Sometimes I feel bad that I won't let small kids go through.  I make the
>first room tame so that they can at least look in (a large Barbie head
>in a fish tank, some rubber hands and rats, one dummy, etc.).  After
>seeing that, the meeker ones insist on staying out.  The rest of my
>haunt is designed for an adult audience.  No gore or anything...

 Rob illustrates an interesting example about gore... the fact that it is
abstract and relative to each of our lives and upbringing. My vision of gore
may not fit with anyone else's.

 I personally don't find a disembodied young woman's (Barbie) head in a fish
tank scary or entertaining.. It hits me as being gory, fake blood added to
the scene or not. I mean absolutely no disrespect to Rob for his hard work,
only to point out we're all thankfully different. I've had people stop me to
say they thought my Axworthy Flying Ghost was too intense for their families.

 Other people may not find a woman's head in a fish tank gory until stage
blood is added to the scene and still others may never find a thing gory
about it.

 I have little doubt that my gut reaction is because I'm a typically
protective father of a teenage daughter and it's rare that the news in the
Midwest area doesn't report the police finding a dismembered body of a young
woman every six months or so. Gratuitous violence against women is a very
common scenario in almost every haunted house, it's an easy scare to achieve
and very popular, I fully understand the financial reasons for showing it
but still don't have to like it. 

 A male prop head in a fish tank wouldn't affect me in the least... go figure.

Denny
 

B.T. Productions' Terror By Design
<http://www.btprod.com>
Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 06:54:07 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:44:33 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

With all the talk about hearses, I guess now would be a good time to
mention that we also have an 83 Cadillac limo (great family car).
Problem is..... convincing State Farm that we don't operate a funeral
home (yet) ;)  BTW  we bought the limo from a funeral home. See....we
really do belong here!!!!!!!
Kelly
-- 
             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 07:08:15 1996
To: Greg Hope <ghope@coyote.csusm.edu>
From: William E Rompala
  <rompala_william@jpmorgan.com>
Date: 15 Nov 96  9:55:35 
Subject: Re: Gore-Free, (was: Important! Read This!)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

On the Gore- free VS Gore debate: 

I wrote this a little while ago, but I believe it bears repeating:

I believe that the true scare comes from the atmosphere and the ...........

suspense. 

That is the ace in the hole.. A person's imagination will scare them for you if 
you give it the opportunity to.  Give the creative areas of the victims' uh, I 
mean patrons' minds enough suspense rope and they will hang themselves. =)

The atmosphere should speak of unspeakable horrors.. darkness... perhaps a low 
throbbing noise on the soundtrack that sounds like nothing that can be 
named.... mist in the air... far off wails...what was that?  a scream? in the 
distance?  what could have?... .will that be...me? 
<Shiver>

_That_ is the stuff of nightmares- the anticipatory state of being is one of 
heightened awareness- that is the state we can play with.  
The unseen monster that is creeping around us is FAR better than the latex head 
in front of us.  We can take a lesson from the Alien trilogy- we never saw the 
monster in it's entirety until far into the movie- by catching parts of it from 
moment to moment, and seeing only the destruction it had left in it's path we 
built up the monster in our minds..  We fell into the heightened sense of 
awareness and lept out of our seats by just hearing the sound of its breathing. 

Remember?

 Attacking when the patron is not expecting it also works.  After the big sigh 
of relief is over, the nerves are fresh to jump on. Like the flying ghost that 
attacks from the rooftop _after_ the visit is over, we can take advantage of 
their nervous laughter and false sense of security. ;-)

-W
-=-
William Rompala 
Rompala Consulting
http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil
romwil@netaxs.com  
day: rompala_william@jpmorgan.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 07:10:02 1996
To: halloween-l <halloween-l@netcom.com>
From: William E Rompala
  <rompala_william@jpmorgan.com>
Date: 15 Nov 96 10:00:28 
Subject: Re: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Read This!)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>Hey Greg,
 >Most of the marketing research on seasonal/for profit haunted houses still
>report the fact that gore sells. Saying a gore filled public dark attraction
>will generally outsell a less gory one by a substantial margin. 
 >Since much of the advertising of a public attraction is by word of mouth,
>the gory scenes get talked about by two big age groups with disposable
>income... teenagers and young adults. Families tend to go for the less gory
>haunts. 
 
What if you advertise heavily that it is 'Extremely scary- not for the faint of 
heart, blah blah' and then use the suspense method of causing loss of bladder 
control.  I find that haunts that advertise warnings as to the nature of their 
'scare quotient' do much better. 

-W

-=-
William Rompala 
Rompala Consulting
http://www.netaxs.com/~romwil
romwil@netaxs.com  
day:rompala_william@jpmorgan.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 08:01:26 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:51:09 -0800
From: The Proctors <cproctor@flash.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Greg Hope wrote:
> 
> At 04:31 AM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >Greg,
> >  How long would it take to drive from Sonoma to San Diego!! I could
> >have lunch and then drive home!!
> >Kathy
> >the new kid on the crypt
> >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com
> >
> You're something else, Kathy!!  I made the drive in 8 hours.  If you manage
> to borrow a hearse from the Brandts, you could probably run red lights on
> the way and shave off an hour.
> 
> Greg
> >
> 
> T (619) 945-4424
> F (619) 726-2804
> E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu

Drive with the headlights on - won't people pull over & get out of your way?

karen p

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 08:12:14 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:59:49 EST
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Bill Lewis <lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 04:54 AM 11/15/96 -0800, you wrote:

>Egads!  Bill, PLEASE take some pictures!  I'm building one, and I'm
>having trouble finding reference material.  One from the side and one
>from the back would be ideal (like I have a choice! ;-D).

I just knew you'd be interested in it Bob, I'll have to remember to go over
and take a couple of shots.  It is inside of a picture window display, and
pretty much fills it. So I will probably only be able to get some side
shots. You'll see what I mean.  
It is a little different style than the kind you are building. It appears to
be much smaller, and more rounded.  And it's black instead of white.

Bill Lewis
NSWC Carderock Division
Code 6060
(301) 227-2742
lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil
lewisb@erols.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 08:56:06 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:32:53 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 09:21:29 EST, you write:

<< Egads!  Bill, PLEASE take some pictures!  I'm building one, and I'm
 having trouble finding reference material.  One from the side and one
 from the back would be ideal (like I have a choice! ;-D).
  >>
Bob, where are you from?   If you every get to Cincinnati, (I am in northern
Ky) go to the Cincinnati Histy Museum.  They have one of these hearses.
 During Halloween the change the whole place into "Boofest"  for kids.  It is
great.  They use this hearse on an angled platform so it looks like it is
coming around a bend and it is driven by two skeletons.  Great effect.

Karen B

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 08:56:10 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:24:01 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: list get-togethers- Midwest -Reply
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 09:00:56 EST, you write:

<< We could *never* forget you Karen!  ;)  So where would be the best place?
 Bloomington would be
 great, but I'm beginning to think maybe Indy would be more centrally (sp?)
located.  What's the
 general opinion? >>

I have been saving all the posts of people interested.  Let me get my map out
and come up with some suggestions.  Let you know soon.

Karen B

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 09:01:21 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:14:48 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: list get-togethers- Midwest
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 02:07:00 EST, you write:

<< << Hey, no problem Denny. Fill up the hog and I'll take you to one cool
shop
 > here in town. (Awsome prices on leather). 
 > Roger is close to me, and Louisville is about an hour from here. 
 > 
 > John >>
 >
 >Hey, I am just an hour from Louisville also - so dont forget me
 >Karen B
 >
 
 Now why would we do that...You have all the cool back roads to drop bodies
 along when you go back:)
 
 John  (:=   (:=  (:=  (:= >>

Truer than you know.  Several years ago a local man deposited body parts of
his wife all along highway 177. (thats where I live)  and my father
investigated the murder.  Solved by taking the tub drain apart and found bone
fragment.  He cut her up with a chain saw in the bath tub.  (true story)

Karen B.

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 09:02:29 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:55:47 -0800
From: Bob Andrews <bandrews@inreach.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bill Lewis wrote:
> 
> At 04:54 AM 11/15/96 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >Egads!  Bill, PLEASE take some pictures!  I'm building one, and I'm
> >having trouble finding reference material.  One from the side and one
> >from the back would be ideal (like I have a choice! ;-D).
> 
> I just knew you'd be interested in it Bob, I'll have to remember to go over
> and take a couple of shots.  It is inside of a picture window display, and
> pretty much fills it. So I will probably only be able to get some side
> shots. You'll see what I mean.
> It is a little different style than the kind you are building. It appears to
> be much smaller, and more rounded.  And it's black instead of white.

Bill,
	Please do!  Smaller = cheaper = better!  Black = fewer details = 
quicker = better!  I was using the Disneyland hearse, Don's FAQ says it
was the one that carried Brigham Young's coffin, as a pattern for mine.
Oh, if you can quesstimate the diameter of the wheels, that'll help a
lot!  
BTW, did you get the fruitcake yet? :-D
-- 
Bob Andrews
bandrews@inreach.com
http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 09:02:30 1996
From: allconen@btigate.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:49:53 -0800
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: scaremeter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

milwiron@btprod.com wrote:
> 
>  A male prop head in a fish tank wouldn't affect me in the least... go figure.

That's a very interesting psychological point you've brought up.  I guess 
you've got to be pretty familiar with your audience to achieve the fright 
effects you're looking for.  I know this year we unexpectedly missed the 
mark with some effects (our Phantom of the Opera was a flop with most 
visitors) and hit with others (like the fortune teller who greeted people 
as they came in).  Alot of it depends on the setup and the talents of the 
actors, but a great deal rests on the mind frame of the visitors and 
where they've been.  

We live and learn.

Debbie 
allconen@btigate.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 09:03:49 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:20:41 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: scaremeter
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 08:49:47 EST, you write:

<< Karen,
 
 	For the first time in my life...I WANNA GO TO JAIL!!!
 Is it still there?  I would definatley drive the hearse over to see
 this.
 -- 
 >>
Sorry to say, no.  The bright city administrators decided that the local art
community could use the jail and leased it to them for $1 a year.  Go figure.
 

Karen B.

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 09:03:57 1996
From: allconen@btigate.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:35:03 -0800
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Also speaking of hearses, if anyone is going through Billings, Montana 
(doesn't sound like anyone is in that vicinity, but ya never know) 
Oscar's Dreamland has several beautiful horse drawn hearses you may want 
to check out.

Debbie
allconen@btigate.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 09:23:38 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:15:53 -0800
From: Bob Andrews <bandrews@inreach.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

KBarn37781@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-11-15 09:21:29 EST, you write:
> 
> << Egads!  Bill, PLEASE take some pictures!  I'm building one, and I'm
>  having trouble finding reference material.  One from the side and one
>  from the back would be ideal (like I have a choice! ;-D).
>   >>
> Bob, where are you from?   If you every get to Cincinnati, (I am in northern
> Ky) go to the Cincinnati Histy Museum.  They have one of these hearses.
>  During Halloween the change the whole place into "Boofest"  for kids.  It is
> great.  They use this hearse on an angled platform so it looks like it is
> coming around a bend and it is driven by two skeletons.  Great effect.
> 
> Karen B

Karen,
	I'm in Tracy, CA.  About 56 miles east of San Francisco (and 50 miles
west of Don Bertino :-D).  Not a Hearse carriage in sight.  I haven't
checked out Sacramento yet.  I haven't been there since Reagan was in
office.  Governor, that is.  The Boofest sounds cool!

-- 
Bob Andrews
bandrews@inreach.com
http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 10:06:54 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:51:29 -0800
From: Bob Andrews <bandrews@inreach.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bob Andrews wrote: 
> Karen,
>         I'm in Tracy, CA.  About 56 miles east of San Francisco (and 50 miles
> west of Don Bertino :-D).  Not a Hearse carriage in sight.  I haven't
> checked out Sacramento yet.  I haven't been there since Reagan was in
> office.  Governor, that is.  The Boofest sounds cool!
> 

I just found a museum with a horse-drawn hearse in  Dutch Flat, an old
gold town, within driving range!
-- 
Bob Andrews
bandrews@inreach.com
http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 10:19:15 1996
From: "David S. Allan" <dallan@dow.com>
To: "'Halloween'" <halloween-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Air tanks
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:06:05 -0500
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Thought some of you might like to know:

Target (at least in Michigan) has 5 gallon portable air tanks on sale 
through this weekend for about $19.  These could be used to power Carl 
Chetta's Trash Can Trauma or Leaping Loafer or other air-powered displays.

David
dallan@dow.com

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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 10:32:39 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:56:08 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: our halloween,errors and terrors, VERY LONG
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Hey Jimmy,
  As far as this part of your post...
I dont need to do 180 in the 1/4 anymore
I dont need something that will out corner the highway patrol anymore
something that can seat a wife, two kids, and luggage comfortably
something that will TURN HEADS 

we did that when we were young, and then we had the kid and the whole
thing and we went to your stage. Now we are in our 40's and the kid is
grown...hubby is working on a 52 Ford Truck!! And he wants is to do all
of the above, except the kids!!! So you can go back in time. I never
thought of it, but he morturary had a sale sign on their hearse and I
thought it would be really out of sight, but I guess there is not much
market for those. I may call them...
Kathy
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 10:32:49 1996
From: milwiron@btprod.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:47:47 -0600
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Gore-Free, Dial-In Scares (was: Important! Read This!)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 10:00 AM 11/15/96, you wrote:
>>Hey Greg,
> >Most of the marketing research on seasonal/for profit haunted houses still
>>report the fact that gore sells. Saying a gore filled public dark attraction
>>will generally outsell a less gory one by a substantial margin. 
> >Since much of the advertising of a public attraction is by word of mouth,
>>the gory scenes get talked about by two big age groups with disposable
>>income... teenagers and young adults. Families tend to go for the less gory
>>haunts. 

>What if you advertise heavily that it is 'Extremely scary- not for the
faint of 
>heart, blah blah' and then use the suspense method of causing loss of bladder 
>control.  I find that haunts that advertise warnings as to the nature of their 
>'scare quotient' do much better. 
>

 Yes, which is also why I mentioned increasing the budget for promotion. In
a competetive urban area, a haunt may want to increase its' advertising from
$.50 to $.75 per paying customer. I've seen figures mentioned as high as
$1.50+ per ticket sale. I'm sure some haunts spend nothing and others spend
$2.00 or more per ticket.
 The haunt better deliver on the advertised promises and warnings though,
otherwise what could and should have been valuable word of mouth advertising
will be negative.
 
Denny

B.T. Productions' Terror By Design
<http://www.btprod.com>
Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 10:49:44 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:25:32 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: clear pipe
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

OK, 
  I know something!!! I can't believe it...
We went to Freidmans to buy some 4ft F. tubes and they came in a 4ft
clear plastic tube!! They even had the clear plastic tubes to buy if you
wanted to protect your bulbs. I saw them and wanted to buy some and my
hubby said what for. Now I will buy a couple and put them away for next
year.
Kathy
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 11:09:06 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:54:46 EST
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Bill Lewis <lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 08:55 AM 11/15/96 -0800, you wrote:
Bob,

>	Please do!  Smaller = cheaper = better!  Black = fewer details = 
>quicker = better!  I was using the Disneyland hearse, Don's FAQ says it
>was the one that carried Brigham Young's coffin, as a pattern for mine.
>Oh, if you can quesstimate the diameter of the wheels, that'll help a
>lot!  

Well If I see the daughter in the video store (works there) I might see what
she thinks about the possibility of getting a closer look, or I could just
walk in and ask.

>BTW, did you get the fruitcake yet? :-D

Not yet, I hope it gets here before the holidaze  ;>

Bill Lewis
NSWC Carderock Division
Code 6060
(301) 227-2742
lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil
lewisb@erols.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 11:23:24 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:10:47 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

The Proctors wrote:
> 
> Greg Hope wrote:
> >
> > At 04:31 AM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Greg,
> > >  How long would it take to drive from Sonoma to San Diego!! I could
> > >have lunch and then drive home!!
> > >Kathy
> > >the new kid on the crypt
> > >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com
> > >
> > You're something else, Kathy!!  I made the drive in 8 hours.  If you manage
> > to borrow a hearse from the Brandts, you could probably run red lights on
> > the way and shave off an hour.
> >
> > Greg
> > >
> >
> > T (619) 945-4424
> > F (619) 726-2804
> > E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu
> 
> Drive with the headlights on - won't people pull over & get out of your way?
> 
> karen p

	Yes they do... :)  The kids love this trick.
Jimmy
-- 
 

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 11:26:50 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:00:20 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Greg,
  what a great idea...the hearse would really be a fun way to get there,
and no one will stop me!! I will wear a nice outfit and act like I am
working. I have the coffin to put in the back and all. Maybe I could
even get a escort :) You never know.
Kathy
the new kid on the crypt
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 11:27:05 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:22:15 -0800
From: Bob Andrews <bandrews@inreach.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: hearses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Bill Lewis wrote:
> Well If I see the daughter in the video store (works there) I might see what
> she thinks about the possibility of getting a closer look, or I could just
> walk in and ask.

Thanks!  I wanted to ask my local funeral parlor if I could get a look
at a casket or two, but so far I haven't worked up enough courage.

> 
> >BTW, did you get the fruitcake yet? :-D
> 
> Not yet, I hope it gets here before the holidaze  ;>

Wife-woman sent it ZZZth class concrete brick rate, so it'll get to you
before the turn of the millenium. :-D
-- 
Bob Andrews
bandrews@inreach.com
http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 12:01:47 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:37:03 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Ghouls,
  Karen I can see me in a suit, with the headlights on and the coffin in
the back!! I was thinking maybe I can sit the skeleton I own on the
passenger side, I can always say I was behind on deliveries and that was
why I was in such a hurry!!:)
Kathy
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 12:24:08 1996
From: allconen@btigate.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:14:20 -0800
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Candyman Poster
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I'm looking for a poster which promo'd the original Candyman movie.  It 
was the poster of the Candyman's screaming face- mostly gaping mouth (I 
think it was done in red and black but I'm not sure).  The image sticks 
in my mind, but I can't remember much else about it.  I'm having trouble 
tracking it down.  Any ideas, anyone?

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 15:16:53 1996
From: RADRAY5@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:09:46 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: clear pipe
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Think about aquarium suppliers. They usually use all kinds of clear tubing.

Chris

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 16:01:10 1996
From: sao@mit.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 18:52:37 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: New product: strings of neon-bulb candles
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I just noticed a new Christmas product at the art supply store this
afternoon...Strings of ten three-inch candlesticks, each topped with
a little neon bulb.  The neon bulb flickers and twinkles and it looks
a _lot_ like a real flame.  They were from Kodak, $16.99 for the string.

Now, what do cheerful festive Christmas candles have to do with Halloween?
They're pretty unusable in their current perky form, but remounted onto
an appropriate base and covered with cobwebs, they could make a _great_
looking candalabra or chandelier!

	:Andy Oakland
	sao@mit.edu

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 18:37:52 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:27:58 -0800
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: Greg Hope <ghope@coyote.csusm.edu>
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>Greg,  what a great idea...the hearse would really be a fun way to get
there,and no one will stop me!! I will wear a nice outfit and act like I am
working. I have the coffin to put in the back and all. Maybe I could even
get a escort :) You never know.

Kathy, I'll tell you what.  If you ever mysteriously appear down our way,
the other locals and I will elect you to the hallowed position of "Honorary
San Diegan, California Ghoul and Esteemed Ambassador from the North."

Greg

T (619) 945-4424
F (619) 726-2804
E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 19:59:52 1996
From: Ldwarf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:52:27 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 01:15:25 EST, you write:

               I had never got that far yet , I believe we can find out
 by testing pressure from the garden hose, then finding a pump that will
 have the same pressure. I test mine with the hose my neighbors think I
 lost it . or wait for the BIG GUYS  hint hint  to tell us .or just read
 the label on the sprinkler head .
 ANYWAY my darn hose is frozen now!
                                                             Carl Chetta
   
 
  >>read the label..... yikes  now that is a concept.. for a warmer day that
is,,,,,,,,, not only is my hose frozen.... but i forgot to drain it..  so now
it has a big split in it. 
so " big guys" and you know who you are... any help would be welcome

Scott

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 19:59:54 1996
From: Ldwarf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:52:33 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: i need some help...LONG RAMBLE
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

hey harry..
so how close are you to opening your haunt??????/   

and im trying to do some research.. but im not finding  a lot out there....
 any suggestions for torture equiptment ?

Scott

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 19:59:52 1996
From: Ldwarf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:52:32 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 08:38:27 EST, you write:

<< 
 Well this changes things a bit, Thanks for the info, I was misinformed
 by my local plumbing supply store guess he wanted to sell me what he
 had in stock.Back to the ol drawing board., should be easy and cheap to
 build now!       
 
                               Carl Chetta
   
 
  >>
Cheap and easy... now you know why i was looking into this method... the
secret is out.... 

Scott

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 20:01:02 1996
From: Ldwarf@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:52:29 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Weather
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

In a message dated 96-11-15 03:56:06 EST, you write:

<< It is definitely an early winter for many of us. Last week it almost
 dropped below 60 here in Miami. I even turned off the Air conditioning.
 
   I feel strongly that winter should only be permitted to exist as a
 mood-setting thing for the holidays. Then after Jan 1, it should be spring.
 
 Joe Dunfee
 Miami, Florida USA
 
  >>
a bunch of wimps...WIMP.. WIMP....WIMP!!!!! 
     aw  who am i kidding  i hate this .. i miss the warmth  im ofer it and
its only november... i quit, im not playing... im either going to hibernate
or mail myself down south.... and i think that we should call someone,  i
dont know who, and complain.. i demand a shorter winter... like a day or two,
 with thick clean snow, ill take out the sled,  say merry X-mas.. and thats
it.... SPRING... Warmth>>>if i sound nuttzzzzzzzzzzzzz .. its because my gas
heater is in the fritz , and im darn chilly...........  
...ah Joe,  the 60's...........just what was your mailing address????

scott

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 20:06:18 1996
From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:59:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Cemetary gate
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Greg,

Hiya!  I'll be happy to share the IAAPA info.  I plan to write up a
full report after the whole thing is over, and maybe do some scans of
any interesting pics I pick up.  I'll post a notice to the list when
it's all ready, and then you can just drop me a line, asking for a copy.

Sorry you can't make it. It should be a blast!

-Doug
***********************************************************************
*  Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency:  *       Doug Ferguson      *
*         The Keys To The Kingdom          *  dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu  *
***********************************************************************

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 20:14:08 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:06:24 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: clear pipe
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>Carl wrote:
> I also took apart my sons habittrail.
                 
??????
Your son plays in a habitrail? Must be a _little_ boy!  ;)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Kelly

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
    ____________________________                          _|_ 
  _ /   ___/~~~    /------|------\   |                  ___|___  
_|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_       / R.I.P.\
\ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________)     |   The   |
 <____//   \|______|______|_______|_//   \)_____>     | Brandts |
       \___/                         \___/            |_________|
           http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 20:41:24 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 20:36:44 -0800 (PST)
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell)
Subject: Anyone attending Rustycon or Norwescon?
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I was wondering if any of the northwestern list members (or anyone else,
for that matter) was planning on attending Rustycon in January or Norwescon
in march -- perhaps we could arrange some sort of get-together, since
everyone else seems to be doing it...?

Brian

______________________________________________________________________________
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The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio
210 Cornell Way
Port Moody, B.C. CANADA  V3H 3W2
Phone (604) 931-6298
Pager (604) 895-3721
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 22:45:11 1996
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:36:16 -0700
From: Dana Collins <dcollins@fia.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: X-Files Again...
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Lauren Jones was about to scream...
> 
> Does anyone watch X-Files?  If I hear one more
> person say SAM-HAYNE 

I agree that this season thus far has not had the suspense that those
previous had, however I still enjoy the hell out of the series.  It is
good to see that they are getting back to the whole shadowy government
stuff.  My rule of thumb is that if something feeds my paranoia, then
I'm all over it!

Anyhow, has anybody else been watching "Millenium"?  I am extremely
impressed by the sheer darkness and nihilism of the series. 

---Dana

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 23:13:54 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:09:48 -0500 (EST)
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee)
Subject: Re: Weather
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>In a message dated 96-11-15 03:56:06 EST, you write:
>
><< It is definitely an early winter for many of us. Last week it almost
> dropped below 60 here in Miami. I even turned off the Air conditioning.
> 
>   I feel strongly that winter should only be permitted to exist as a
> mood-setting thing for the holidays. Then after Jan 1, it should be spring.
> 
> Joe Dunfee

  I realize I didn't actually get to the core of why I entered this thread...

  I was thinking about how much the weather is a major part of "feeling" for
an event such as Halloween. Here in Miami, the first noticable change in the
weather usually occurs a few weeks before Halloween. And if you don't spend
many evenings outside, the first time you may really experience the fall is
when you go out for Halloween evening.
  But, it is not at all unusual for the weather to be more summer like on
Oct 30. In these cases it may be a significant help for the "atmosphere" of
a haunted house to try to change the actual atmosphere. Perhaps by using
some of the misters being sold to cool you outside in the summer. These are
supposed to cool the air through evaporation, but probably don't do that
much in already humid air, except perhaps give the feel of it being foggy.
Still, this changes the enviroment the audience is in at a different level
than something like lighting.

Joe Dunfee
Miami, Florida USA

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Fri Nov 15 23:34:22 1996
From: "Brian Henderson" <bhenderson@linkline.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:30:19 -800
Subject: Found a wonderful place today...
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I only wish I had found it before Halloween.  It's called Halloween 
Club, a massive warehouse store for Halloween supplies, etc.  at 
wholesale prices.  Apparently, it's a year-round thing and they have 
stores all across the country.

Right now, they are selling everything 50% off and from what I 
understand, they are getting ready to stock some Christmas supplies.

The one I was at was in Norwalk, but there is another store in Santa 
Ana and you might be able to find one locally.

Gotta get back down there and spend a few hundred dollars. :)

-Brian

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 02:23:46 1996
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:14:19 +0000
From: "Sherri (Ozzy)" <c-n-s.ozzy@worldnet.att.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Gore-Free, (was: Important! Read This!)
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

William E Rompala wrote:
> 
> I believe that the true scare comes from the atmosphere and the  
> suspense.

We don't do a haunted house, we just have our graveyard.  This is the 
theory we use.  We have dummies all over the place and people acting 
like dummies, so people don't know which is which until they get up real 
close.  This year we also set up little speakers everywhere, each on 
playing a different effect, it was great!  And not to mention the 
fifteen torches!
-- 
Sherri(Ozzy) ~ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7997/              
c-n-s.ozzy@Worldnet.att.net
~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*
           "Demons are a gouls best friend"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 04:59:48 1996
From: milwiron@btprod.com
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:48:22 -0600
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

At 10:52 PM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote:

>               I had never got that far yet , I believe we can find out
> by testing pressure from the garden hose, then finding a pump that will
> have the same pressure. I test mine with the hose my neighbors think I
> lost it . or wait for the BIG GUYS  hint hint  to tell us .or just read
> the label on the sprinkler head .
> ANYWAY my darn hose is frozen now!
>                                                             Carl Chetta

 While doing development work on some spring line toys for one company I had
to test water line pressure. At that time (3 years ago) I found the water
pressure in our town system runs 60 psi. I've seen homes and businesses with
wells where the upper end of the pressure regulator on the storage tank was
set as high as 100 psi, the low end around 60. I didn't get into checking
any surrounding town's pressures. 
Denny

B.T. Productions' Terror By Design
<http://www.btprod.com>
Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 07:28:05 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:26:00 -0800
From: Bob Andrews <bandrews@inreach.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: new pics
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I put some new fence pictures on my site (just got them developed and
scanned) and a couple pics of the flying ghost rig.
-- 
         
Bob Andrews
bandrews@inreach.com
http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 07:36:47 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:29:39 -0600
From: James Brandt <ofm@tecinfo.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Weather
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

>   I realize I didn't actually get to the core of why I entered this thread...
> 
>   I was thinking about how much the weather is a major part of "feeling" for
> an event such as Halloween. Here in Miami, the first noticable change in the
> weather usually occurs a few weeks before Halloween. And if you don't spend
> many evenings outside, the first time you may really experience the fall is
> when you go out for Halloween evening.
>   But, it is not at all unusual for the weather to be more summer like on
> Oct 30. In these cases it may be a significant help for the "atmosphere" of
> a haunted house to try to change the actual atmosphere. Perhaps by using
> some of the misters being sold to cool you outside in the summer. These are
> supposed to cool the air through evaporation, but probably don't do that
> much in already humid air, except perhaps give the feel of it being foggy.
> Still, this changes the enviroment the audience is in at a different level
> than something like lighting.
> 
> Joe Dunfee
> Miami, Florida USA

Joe,
We used to live in Ft. Myers Beach and when we decorated for halloween
we tried to let the display just grow out of the surroundings....
Our yard had the biggest banyan <sp> tree on the island, covered the
whole house and yard. So we kind of ended up with a spooky swamp theme.
Glowing eyes coming from inside the tree...
skeletons sticking out here and there...
muggy atmosphere...
blood-sucking..........................mosquitos  :-0
(you get the idea)

Kelly

             "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em"
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From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 08:00:44 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:48:58 -0800
From: The Proctors <cproctor@flash.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Milk jug skeletons
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Tech. difficulties are driving me nuts!  It's going out by snail mail today!  Sorry for 
the delay.  I enclosed a photo of 2 skeletons with fluorescent paint lit by blacklight. 
 They're usually backlit but for this photo the light's from the front.  It makes just a 
little difference.  Plus, I know their heads have a strange-looking paint job but we 
were rushing on Halloween day!! (know that feeling?) Gotta come up with a better design 
for next yr.  Well, his current head design has always been his weakness.

karen p.
cproctor@flash.net

cloudy@wolfenet.com wrote:
> 
> I too would like a set, please!
> Colleen Schaller
> 12413 2nd Ave S.
> Seattle WA 98168

> >> I've received some requests for directions on how to make milk jug
> skeletons.
> >> These are pretty simple, _definitely_ cheap, & between 4-5 foot tall. The
> directions
> >> come from either the '92 or '93 Oct. issue of Family Fun magazine. (they

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 08:23:32 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:57:43 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Millenium
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Dana,
  I just watched it this Friday!! I am hooked. Very dark and intense!! I
have always like his acting since the first Alien movie. I thought the
fact that they use him for his powers, and then turn their noses up when
he says something is very real. I am sorry I missed the first one. I
would say that Sci-Fi is coming back to the TV!!
Kathy
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 08:51:41 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:27:29 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: New product: strings of neon-bulb candles
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

OK Andy,
 Which store did you see them, I have uses for them big time!! Can they
be painted black???
Kathy
the new kid on the crypt
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 09:22:47 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:58:36 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: San Diegans
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Greg,
  If I do show up, which you don't know me very well, I will accept my
title with honor. Take your time on planning this so I have time to get
there :)
Kathy
the soon to be....
"Honorary
San Diegan, California Ghoul and Esteemed Ambassador from the North."

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 09:57:42 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:30:52 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Anyone attending Rustycon or Norwescon?
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Brian,
  PLease fill me in on these things.
Kathy
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 10:31:51 1996
From: sao@mit.edu
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 13:22:54 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: New product: strings of neon-bulb candles
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com, Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:27:29 -0800:
>OK Andy,
> Which store did you see them, I have uses for them big time!!

This was "Pearl" arts & crafts, on Massachusetts Av in Cambridge MA.
I have no idea if Pearl is a national chain or not; I don't think so.

The little candles were about 8" apart on the usual dark-green cord.
Each candle has the afore-mentioned flickering neon tip, a white body
about 1/2" x 3", and a sparkly gold cute little candleholder.

Black spray paint should make them usable in no time.  :^)

	:Andy Oakland
	sao@mit.edu

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 11:10:09 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:32:03 -0800
From: Robert Bradvica <rbradvica@lightside.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Found a wonderful place today...
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Brian Henderson wrote:
> 
> I only wish I had found it before Halloween.  It's called Halloween
> Club, a massive warehouse store for Halloween supplies, etc.  at
> wholesale prices.  Apparently, it's a year-round thing and they have
> stores all across the country. 
> The one I was at was in Norwalk, but there is another store in Santa
> Ana and you might be able to find one locally.

Where exactly in Norwalk and Santa Ana are they?
Robert

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 13:07:41 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:29:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Jennifer Etowski <etowski@clark.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Contributors vs. lurkers
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Guys get a grip.Take a deep breath and calm down . 1First off everyone is
different and we   should all be talerent.
2It is only a list! not life and death.Trust me My husband been out of
work for a year .I know what is important by a priortised listing.
3 The "hard core halloweener" should use there knowlege and enthosiasum to
inspire others not chase them off. Halloween is something we all want to
enjoy and perserve. I do not want to see halloween out lawed.
Thank you I'll get off the soapbox now.

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 13:16:20 1996
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:59:42 -0800
From: Michael Marcrum <mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Found a wonderful place today...
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Brian,
  Can you ask them where else they have stores. Or maybe get us a phone
number and we can call them. Someone said there was a year around store
near us, but no one knew the name or anything..Thanks for the help.
Kathy
the new kid on the crypt
mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 15:10:23 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:55:00 -0800
From: The Proctors <cproctor@flash.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Party food
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

Four food ideas follow today.  I'll do a couple more later.  Looking at the ascii 
pictures should thoroughly convince you that I'm definitely not artistically inclined.

(1)  While making bruschetta yesterday, I realized that roasted red bell peppers in a 
jar could probably have some use on a Halloween buffet table.  They are bright red, 
pretty thick, and kinda slimy from being preserved in liquid.  These ones were also 
somewhat large (some were like 1/4 the size of bell pepper & just folded into the jar) 
so I had to break them into smaller pieces. Great tongue material. The bruschetta tasted 
quite good whenever I wasn't thinking about tongues! I'll just have to think of a good 
presentation for them now. 

(2) You may already do this one.

Severed Fingers (ascii picture below)

8 hot dogs (the thin long kind work best)
1 package refrigerated biscuit dough (10 biscuits)
sliced almonds (16)
ketchup or BBQ sauce

Preheat oven to temp. on back of biscuit package.  Cut each hot dog in half crosswise.

Separate biscuit dough into individual pieces.  Cut each piece of biscuit dough in half, 
then roll and stretch both halves with hands until flat.

Wrap dough around each half of hot dog, leaving a small amount of the cut end of the hot 
dog exposed.  Place a sliced almond *fingernail* at the tip of each finger, then make 2 
knuckle lines with a toothpick.

Place hot dog fingers on cookie sheet and bake for about 10 minutes, or until golden 
brown. Remove from oven and serve.  Add some ketchup or BBQ sauce *blood* at the severed 
end, if you want.

		  _ almond f'nail
		_/_________________
	      /____/	 | |	   \
	     /	     knuckle lines  | 	
	      \_____________________| 

(3) For this one, I'm not sure I like the taste of hard-boiled eggs with cloves but its 
a good table decoration.

Hard Boiled Mouse  
1 hard boiled egg
3 cloves
1 slice boiled ham or turkey
1 celery stalk
1 lettuce leaf

Peel hard boiled egg.  At pointy end of egg, press in two clove *eyes* and a clove 
*nose.*

>From slice of ham or turkey, cut two dime-size *ear* circles and a thin *tail* strip 
approximately 2 inches long.

Cut small slits in *head* and place an *ear* in each slit.  Cut small slit in back of 
mouse and place *tail.*

Strip 6-8 strands from celery stalk (kind of toothpick shape pieces) and stick 3-4 
celery *whiskers* into each side of nose.

Place mouse on lettuce leaf for presentation.

(4)

Broomstick Breadsticks (ascii picture below)
     1 package refrigerated biscuit dough (8 breadsticks)

Preheat oven to temp. on back of breadstick package.  Separate breadstick dough into 
individual breadsticks.  Twist each breadstick into a long cylinder shape.  Place 
breadsticks on cookie sheet, about an inch apart. Flatten the dough at one end of each 
breadstick.  Cut 4 or 5 1-inch *bristle* slits into the flattened end of each breadstick 
with kitchen scissors.  Bake for about 15 minutes, or until golden brown.  Cool & eat.

		|   / 	|
		|  /	|
		| /    /|
		|/    /	|         This should be clear as mud!
		|    /	|		
		|   /	|
		|  /	|
		| /	|
		|/	|
	       /  /    \ \
	      /  / |-| |\ \     <--- broom bristles
	     /  /| | | | \ \  
	    /  / | | | |  \ \	
	   /  /  | | | |   \ \

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 15:51:05 1996
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:45:23 -0700
From: Dana Collins <dcollins@fia.net>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Hellraiser and Haunted Houses
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

htraver@dreamsys.com scribbled in blood:
 
> Still wondering why no local haunted houses have taken the fantastic
> vision of Hell from Hellraiser ][ into a great haunted house
> scenario....
 
Harry;

I have to agree with you on this one.  Hellraiser's visuals of Hell,
with the chains, body parts, etc, was probably one of the spookiest
visions of Hell to come out.

As a matter of fact, I was to put together a small haunted covered
side-yard this year (before my dreams and aspirations for this was
destroyed by a traditional "Sow-win" mid-term in my night class!)  This
was going to borrow heavily from Hellraiser.  Home Depot had 50' of
black designer chain for about $30, I picked up some $8 plastic skulls
with movable jaws from Target, and a pound of nails to hammer into
them.  These and some associated body parts, torsos made out of your
basic stuffed shirts and jeans would be hung from the patio cover, arms
spread out with a few pairs of hand-cuffs (don't ask why I have these
;->).  Anyhow, with a strobe, buckets underneath the torsos filled with
"blood" and some dry ice, I was out to do some serious traumatizing!  If
it weren't for that test...

Although if I did go through with it, I have this nagging suspicion that
the final scene in Frankenstein where the townspeople came after him
with torches would have been played out in my front yard via angry
parents!

---Dana

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 16:40:04 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:31:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Nancy Miller <namiller@umich.edu>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: ALot of messages
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I like the idea that Joe suggested regarding some of comments going 
privately to the originator's email. With so many subscribed to this 
list, even a math illiterate like me can figure what one message times 
the membership could produce in our mailboxes.

I thought that a listserv was much like a newsgroup in that some messages 
should be posted to the entire group, while others should be posted 
privately to the originator.

I love how friendly everyone is and the friendships developing but I 
understand where Joe is coming from on this one. I had to be offline for 
three days and came into 250 halloween-l messages. I don't want anyone to 
stop having the fun they are, I was just wondering if we might think 
before we post whether the whole membership can benefit from it or just 
the original poster. Please don't take offense to this - it may just help 
some of us with bulging mailboxes and limited storage. Thanks for listening. 

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Joe Dunfee wrote:

>   I don't know if I can on this list much longer. I was hoping the traffic
> would slow down after Oct 31, but if anything it has increased. Since you
> all aren't building, you are posting!
> 
>   I have been scanning the topics, and only reading about 5%, but with the
> other lists I am on, I have to wade through about 150-200 messages a day. It
> has become overwhelming.
> 
>   I though I would throw out a few suggestions that might reduce the traffic
> some, but not reduce any of the content. I had thought about suggesting that
> the group split into two groups, but didn't see any obvious divisions that
> make sense. There was only one idea I had left.
> 
>   There are a number of replies on the line of "Thanks for that Info, I will
> let you know how it works for me". While such comments are actually good,
> perhaps they could be sent private e-mail instead of to the entire list. 
> 
>   There are other comments such as "yeah, me too" that are sometimes
> discouraged on lists, I feel these actually give feedback that should be
> public. It serves as kind of a guage of how many people are interested in
> the topic... perhaps encouraging a lurker with an idea to add their own idea.
> 
> Joe Dunfee
> Miami, Florida USA
> 

******************************************
namiller@umich.edu/NPPC/Phoenix Rising, Inc.
"I cannot be bought... but I can be rented."

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 16:41:19 1996
From: cloudy@wolfenet.com
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:37:08 -0800 (PST)
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Millenium
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

It is one of my new faves too!!  The first show was very disturbing, though,
but it sure made me want to tune it next week!
Colleen

>Dana,
>  I just watched it this Friday!! I am hooked. Very dark and intense!! I
>have always like his acting since the first Alien movie. I thought the
>fact that they use him for his powers, and then turn their noses up when
>he says something is very real. I am sorry I missed the first one. I
>would say that Sci-Fi is coming back to the TV!!
>Kathy
>mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com
>

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 18:20:58 1996
From: cheese@adstone.com
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:16:30 -0500 
Subject: Re: Fountain Freaks
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

               Carl Chetta

HA> While doing development work on some spring line toys for one company I had
HA>to test water line pressure. At that time (3 years ago) I found the water
HA>pressure in our town system runs 60 psi. I've seen homes and businesses with
HA>wells where the upper end of the pressure regulator on the storage tank was
HA>set as high as 100 psi, the low end around 60. I didn't get into checking
HA>any surrounding town's pressures. 
HA>Denny

              Denny, 
                          Thank you for that info, would you know if
water pumps can pump that much pressure to raise about 6 sprinkler
heads?
                                                    Carl Chetta
  

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 18:24:42 1996
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:05:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Lund <llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: ALot of messages
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com

I am about ready to pack it in because of all the BS messages.

 Larry
    _    ___c                                     Lawrence H. Lund
     \  _|   \_                                   179 Studley Street
    __\_| oooo \_____                             Brentwood, NY 11717
~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                          E-mail: llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us
                                                  llund179@aol.com
                                          Phone:  (516)-231-8790
                                          Fax:    (516)-434-9315

From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com  Sat Nov 16 18:42:11 1996
From: KBarn37781@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:30:40 -0500
To: halloween-l@netcom.com
Subject: Re: ALot of messages
Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com