To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Three motor flying effect revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reguarding "initializing" the system >I thought about that, too. I figured that the reset could be as simple >as: 1) "park" the ghost at some convenient location >2) temporarily kill (or better, "freeze") the control signals to the >step motor drivers. >3) move the "puppet" to the same relative position as the ghost. >4) re-enable the controller. That is a great idea and very simple to implement. >> The other approach to directional control would probably involve >> servomotors (like that used in Radio Control Cars). > >This is what I had in mind. Put a very low-drag pot on the puppet, >and the operator's fingers on a knob on the shaft. I had another thought for the controler. Instead of having the strings visible, and therefore more likely to get in the way of the operators hand, they can be place inside a box. The joystick then would be a stick protruding out of the top of the box. Inside, the strings are attached to the bottom of the joystick and the up around shaft that has the encoders (designated by the "o") and then attached to a weight (designated by a pound sign "#") () ll ______ll______ ||o\ ll /o| | || \ ll / | | || \ ll/ | | |# # | |______________| >My rough estimates here led me to the following conclusions: >1) we can't expect to get the ghost anywhere near level with the >plane of the motors, unless it's directly underneath just one of them. I did a quick work-up on 2 dimensions and found that taking the object high enough so that it was centered with the lines 70 degrees above vertical only caused a small increase in the forces. >2) in some cases, the geometry approaches the 2-wire form, anyway. >Treat this as the worst-case solution, with 3-wire support putting >slightly less load on each winch. I was thinking that the third wire would actually increase the forces needed from the three wires over the two wires. Just as a 2 wire setup can greatly increase the forces needed over a single wire. >I'm afraid these might be out of reach for relatively inexpensive >motors and drivers. 15 lbf on a 2" drum is 240 oz-in torque. You're >probably running into $40 motors (or more), and more expensive >drive electronics and power supply. > >Go for a near-zero weight ghost, Actually a $40 motor doesn't scare me. The project I actually have in mind is to move the head of a brontosaurus dinosaur (I know there never were brontosaurus - it was all a goof in mixing parts together and the figment of someone's imagination - but that is the point for my dinosaur) I am figguring the weight may even go above 10 lbs because it has to carry much of the weight of the neck as well. By the way, another approach that should be checked out for price comparison is to use DC motors and perhaps an absolute optical encoder. Even if the space is 100 ft wide, that would allow for about 4 inches of resolution on the line, which should be enough for something this big. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 22 21:24:41 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 21:16 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Stuart Peterson Subject: Re: Guillotine execution in place of chair Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:57 AM 11/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hey all! > Has anybody ever come up with a "realistic" way of doing a guillotine execution? One were the >poor soul is screaming and moving around up until the blade drops and his head falls in the basket? >What about special affects of blood, animation, etc? Any ideas on how to do this and make it look >"real"? What has anybody seen at other sites? > Have an idea that I saw in London, at the "London Dungeon", a tourist trap, albeit a pretty good on, that describes, in HUGE detail, many of the hideous doings, re/ TORTURE, in Victorian England. They had a long, very dimly lit room that a large group (40+) of people were led into. We were teased into coming in with the promise that we were going to see a real beheading. There was a raised stage in the front of the room, that contained the guillotine. The rest of the room looked like a run-down London street - we were about to see a public execution. We were treated to a description of what small offenses were necessary to earn a public beheading, along with a brief description from "people" talking from the windows, above, about what happened when the victims head was lopped off. The behavior of some of the victims - rave... timid... whimpering... screaming... you name it, was discussed, too. A shadowy figure was led to the guillotine, and placed into position. At the executioner's signal, the blade fell. At the point of impact, the room went pitch black. What you heard was a wet, sickening THUNK!! as the "blade" sliced through the "victims" neck. On top of it all...the gross-out...the audience was splashed with warm water just after the lights went out!!!! Everyone left the attraction with a little less color in their face than when the entered!! You really couldn't see what hit you until you left the room, and went out into the exit area. Only after you were out in the relative bright light of the rest of the dungeon could you really see that it was only water. I'd guess the scale of this attraction is too big for many people, but the use of warm water as blood, in a totally dark environment, just at the point of execution, was GREAT. Maybe more can be done with this... ------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart Peterson stuartp@hevanet.com stuart.peterson@nike.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Nov 22 23:24:32 1996 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 01:14:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Hansel and Gretel To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >When the unsuspecting person reaches for them, [the keys] it triggers >a sensor causing the Leaping loafer mechanism into action! Jeanni, That's great imagineering! You have considered the story, and tied a cause-effect situation to it. Congratulations! ;-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 05:36:32 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:31:24 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Moon Subject: Re: Vampire mirror -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It would be REALY cool if as soon as the "real" vampire turns around, the "mirror" vampire, pulls out a wooden stake and stabs through the mirror, into the back of the real vampire.. That could get interesting!! 0=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-0 o Moon o | Fiberopt@pipeline.com | o o | o "From o to Witch in 2.1 Secconds" o | "Wicca, Its not a new wave of lawn junk" | 0=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-0 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 07:42:12 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:36:41 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Denny Kennedy Subject: Re: Hansel and Gretel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Hansel and Gretal: >Somehow, I remembered this story very differently....here I thought >they got lost coming home from a family outing. I missed the moral of this >story altogether....{snip} There are several versions of the story... you probably remembered hearing one that was "toned-down" for younger children As for the rest of the fairy tales, if you reexamine many of the popular ones, you'll find many of them are quite violent for children's stories. And even those are toned down from their origional versions from the Middle Ages. The origional version of Little Red Riding Hood can't be mentioned on this list... If anyone would like more info I can get some from my English teacher... Denny Kennedy maryjane@sundial.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 11:53:48 1996 From: JeanniSkip@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:47:26 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SciFi/Fan Conventions -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Instructions for doing the Time Warp: << >>It's just a jump to the left... >And then a step to the right.......:) Put your hands on your hips... >> and bring your knees in tiiii...iiiii....iiiiight! :) :) :) Jeanni (couldn't just leave it dangling!) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 12:35:08 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:27:23 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: SciFi/Fan Conventions -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:47 PM 11/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >Instructions for doing the Time Warp: I thought this was the Hokey-Pokey! Greg T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 13:41:25 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:36:53 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: SciFi/Fan Conventions -Reply -Reply -Finished Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Instructions for doing the Time Warp: > ><< >>It's just a jump to the left... > > >And then a step to the right.......:) > > Put your hands on your hips... > >> >and bring your knees in tiiii...iiiii....iiiiight! > >:) :) :) Jeanni > >(couldn't just leave it dangling!) But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insaaaaa....aaaaaaa...aaane Let's do the time warp again!!! now it is not dangling. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd Official Home of Montclair Rocky Horror Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 16:03:05 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Three motor flying effect revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, Joe! > I had another thought for the controler. Instead of having the strings > visible, and therefore more likely to get in the way of the operators hand, > they can be place inside a box. The joystick then would be a stick > protruding out of the top of the box. Inside, the strings are attached to > the bottom of the joystick and the up around shaft that has the encoders > (designated by the "o") and then attached to a weight (designated by a pound > sign "#") > > () > ll > ______ll______ > ||o\ ll /o| | > || \ ll / | | > || \ ll/ | | > |# # | > |______________| > I think that's a good idea, but how would you figure on constraining the stick to vertical? Not completely necessary, I guess, if it passes through the top of the box inside an "eyeball" bearing, free to slide lengthwise, as well as swivel. The reversal of line direction could be handled by properly polarizing the quadrature drives. This *would* require the three suspension points to be on a plane, and layed out symetrically, I believe. Another possibility would be to let the stick slide up and down only, through a disk that's free to move around on the box top. This way, you don't get the reversal the eyball bearing would introduce. > I did a quick work-up on 2 dimensions and found that taking the object > high enough so that it was centered with the lines 70 degrees above vertical > only caused a small increase in the forces. Sounds about right. > I was thinking that the third wire would actually increase the forces > needed from the three wires over the two wires. Just as a 2 wire setup can > greatly increase the forces needed over a single wire. The math gets complex there; probably not much different from your 70 degree solution, above. > >Go for a near-zero weight ghost, > > Actually a $40 motor doesn't scare me. The project I actually have in mind > is to move the head of a brontosaurus dinosaur - I am figguring the weight > may even go above 10 lbs because it has to carry much of the weight of > the neck as well. Wow! That could indeed get heavy. Hav you thought about an articulated skeleton, with pneumatic or hydraulic actuators inside? This is what I want to do with my BIG dragon masks, someday! > By the way, another approach that should be checked out for price > comparison is to use DC motors and perhaps an absolute optical encoder. Even > if the space is 100 ft wide, that would allow for about 4 inches of > resolution on the line, which should be enough for something this big. Certainly more bang for the buck in the motors themsrlves, but consider the shaft encoders and much higher cost of drive electronics. Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 23 20:44:49 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:43:48 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Three motor flying effect revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I guess we might take this discussion to some other list if people aren't interested. Perhaps a Robotics list. At this point we are talking about physics and electronics that may be well above most of the list membership. So, "people", let us know if you would prefer the discussion move to another list. >> () >> ll >> ______ll______ >> ||o\ ll /o| | >> || \ ll / | | >> || \ ll/ | | >> |# # | >> |______________| >> > >I think that's a good idea, but how would you figure on constraining >the stick to vertical? Not completely necessary, I guess, if it >passes through the top of the box inside an "eyeball" bearing, >free to slide lengthwise, as well as swivel. The reversal of line >direction could be handled by properly polarizing the quadrature >drives. >> I was thinking that the third wire would actually increase the forces >> needed from the three wires over the two wires. Just as a 2 wire setup can >> greatly increase the forces needed over a single wire. > >The math gets complex there; probably not much different from >your 70 degree solution, above. I was on the phone today with one engineer and an engineering student, and I got them both stumped on this. I tried to adapt the 2-dimensional geometic approach to figguring out force vectors to 3-d space by drawing the force vectors in my CAD program. The geometric "adding" of the force vectors, by placing them end to end, does seem to apply to both 2-D and 3-D situations. But I can't figgure out how to "trim" three rays of unknown lenght in 3-d space to the correct intersections. >> The project I actually have in mind >> is to move the head of a brontosaurus dinosaur - I am figguring the weight >> may even go above 10 lbs because it has to carry much of the weight of >> the neck as well. > >Wow! That could indeed get heavy. Hav you thought about an articulated >skeleton, with pneumatic or hydraulic actuators inside? I was trying to go as light weight as possible. Even the industrial big-boys have major difficulties making something this large move well without looking like a motorized robot. I was picturing a mostly inflatable figure. The Head would have small servos to control the eyes, and mouth. But to try to support the head on such a long narrow neck is quite demanding structurally. So, I am going to try the extremely lightweight approach (though heavy-weight, from your ghost's point of view) >> By the way, another approach that should be checked out for price >> comparison is to use DC motors and perhaps an absolute optical encoder. >Certainly more bang for the buck in the motors themsrlves, but consider >the shaft encoders and much higher cost of drive electronics. I just got a copy of "Nuts-N-Volts" today. Guess what they have a feature article on "Stepper motors vs. Servo motors". It is clear that I am going to need to use somesort of servomotor for my scale of things- Steppers just don't adapt well to the high-speed and High-torque I am going to need. Check out this article! (the Nov. issue of Nuts-n-Volts) Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Nov 24 04:26:36 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:20:11 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: Ldwarf@aol.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: motion sensor question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Scott, You wrote: =================== >if i remember i saw several pages of relays with timers in the >granger cat. some that would go on then of and on again so >long as they were activated. and others that could "wait" for >a set time then go on for a set time and then need to be >reactivated....i remember being impressed with all that they >could do... but i had no use for one at the time... guess i >need to get out the cat. and look at the charts again. I worked as an engineer for a timer maufacturer so have some experience with this subject. For economic, special purpose haunt use, I have found it necessary to either wire together COMBINATIONS of commercially available timers (not just one) or build these combinations (less expensive) at the "chip level". >another question... what if it is in the test mode and it is >activated, it goes off, and sends power to the effect for a >few seconds, but people are still in the area.. will the effect >go off for a while and reset, or will it stay on because it is >still detecting motion ?? The need for a "combo timer" is hinted at by your question above: The combo timer initiates "timing" with contact closure of the sensor switch then ignores the state of this switch until reset. Timing is in two(2) stages. The first stage is to "operate the event" (adjustable from 1 to 15 seconds). The 2nd stage purpose is to "disable the event" (adjustable 5 to 30 seconds). When stage 2 is completed, the system automatically resets. This way no one who has just activated the event can accidently or purposely re-activate it (possibly spoiling the effect for others). I have a wiring diagram for the combo timer that uses two (2) commercial solid state "one shot" timers, and one additional AC relay (Radio Shack or some such). The timers are sold by a company called Solid State Automatic Controls (SSAC) and would cost you about $32 bucks each. If you'd like more info on this I'd be glad to send it to you. The wiring diagram is a pictoral file in the .BMP format. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) If it moves and it shouldn't - use duct tape If it doesn't move and it should - reanimate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 06:17:03 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 09:09:12 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I just got Dales pictures of the TST (TombStoneTerror) adaptation of the TCT (TrashCanTrama). I like the adaptation. Anyway, Dale mentioned in his email that he wanted to make the actual tombstone a little more realistic which gave me a thought that I think everyone can use. In the construction of foam tombstones one of the problems is obtaining affordable thick foam (polystyrene, either extruded, or expanded). Besides the cost, the stuff is generally hard to come by in thicknesses greater than 2". Anyway the thought was to use 1" foam for the face and then use thicker pieces glued to the edge to build it up. This is similar to how countertops are made. To conceal the glue line, and the transition, the edge should be cut after glueing. To glue foam together, I've used 2-part epoxies. It's my opinion that what adds the greatest level of realism to a tombstone is the thickness. It gives it a believable mass and proportion. A little warning though, tombstone placment becomes more critical because you wouldn't want the audience to be able to see the backs of the 'stones. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 06:57:44 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 06:51:28 -0700 Subject: Making Thick Tombstones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Another way to build tombstones would be to us a fron and back facing piece, and then a 3 inch strip of a flexible material such as cardboard which can be secured down by glue. Use other pieces inside for spacing. The whole thing can be made from wood strips if you want permanence.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 07:07:36 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:08:42 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Another way to build tombstones would be to us a fron and back facing > piece, and then a 3 inch strip of a flexible material such as cardboard > which can be secured down by glue. Use other pieces inside for spacing. > The whole thing can be made from wood strips if you want permanence.... > > Harry This is exacty how I'm making mine. Sort of a plywood sandwich. The flexible piece is a 3" strip of 1/8" luan plywood. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 09:49:16 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:47:39 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >In the construction of foam tombstones one of the problems is obtaining >affordable thick foam (polystyrene, either extruded, or expanded). Besides >the cost, the stuff is generally hard to come by in thicknesses greater than >2". >Bill Lewis I worked for several years for a company that made industrial refrigeration chambers. (walk-in coolers) The walls of the coolers were made from 4" to 6" thick polystyrene (the white beaded stuff) or polyurethane (the yellow, more rigid stuff) They regularly had scraps over 6" X 48" X 12". They had to pay for them to be trashed, so I am sure they are open to the idea of giving them away. If some of the workers get interested in your project, they may decide to participate, then you may have an endless supply of the stuff! Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 09:52:24 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 12:38:50 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:51 AM 11/25/96 -0700, you wrote: > >Another way to build tombstones would be to us a fron and back facing >piece, and then a 3 inch strip of a flexible material such as cardboard >which can be secured down by glue. Use other pieces inside for spacing. >The whole thing can be made from wood strips if you want permanence.... > >Harry I guess my preference is still to use (all) foam, as it lends itself more for elaborate carving. To add to that, I prefer expanded polystyrene to the extruded. It is generally cheaper, and "weathering" it would seem to be easier. I should add that my monuments are all full 4" thick, and I haven't tried my suggested method, nor have I used the extruded stuff to make them, though I have worked with the extruded stuff before (unrelated to halloween). I still think that what is most important is to obtain a thick 'stone, whatever method or material you prefer. Now how about a tapered oblisk made of foam with mitered edges. Hmmm..., probably best made of wood. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 10:06:58 1996 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:47:24 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SciFi/Fan Conventions -Reply -Reply -Finished Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Tad Peters wrote: > > >Instructions for doing the Time Warp: > > > ><< >>It's just a jump to the left... > > > > >And then a step to the right.......:) > > > > Put your hands on your hips... > > >> > >and bring your knees in tiiii...iiiii....iiiiight! > > > >:) :) :) Jeanni > > > >(couldn't just leave it dangling!) > > But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insaaaaa....aaaaaaa...aaane > Let's do the time warp again!!! > > now it is not dangling. > > Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume > makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd > Official Home of Montclair Rocky Horror Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 > www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 God I love this group. Debbie allconen@btigate.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 10:35:59 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 13:28:14 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:47 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: > I worked for several years for a company that made industrial >refrigeration chambers. (walk-in coolers) The walls of the coolers were made >from 4" to 6" thick polystyrene (the white beaded stuff) or polyurethane >(the yellow, more rigid stuff) > They regularly had scraps over 6" X 48" X 12". They had to pay for them to >be trashed, so I am sure they are open to the idea of giving them away. If >some of the workers get interested in your project, they may decide to >participate, then you may have an endless supply of the stuff! > >Joe Dunfee Does this mean I should go in to the business of making tombstones? Hmmmm, free material, maybe so. BTW, I obtained my foam as a construction scrap. It was used for a filler material to create a brick ledge in a poured foundation. You'll only find this in technique used in moderately upscale/custom construction in areas that have full basements. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 11:09:43 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:03:57 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: njg@cc.UManitoba.CA (Nick Gloor) Subject: Re: Three motor flying effect revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com for some reason I have it in my brain that this is/was the type of system used for doing "birds-eye-view" camera shots over some stadiums, basketball courts, hockey rinks etc. I remember reading an article about such a system some time ago. If I am not totally out to lunch you might be able to get some idea of specs from someone who uses/manufactures them. Nick Gloor njg@cc.umanitoba.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 12:23:57 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:10:38 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: JeanniSkip@aol.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> 11/22/96 3:52 am >>> Denny wrote: << Filters can be set up to "look" for key words or phrases in the "from", "sender", date, subject, body, etc. of a message. Nothing is lost when a message is filtered >> Hi, Denny! Thanks for the info!!! That explains a lot (in fact, you answered many questions in one post). So these filter programs scan the entire text of each and every post and sort them by topic as well? Wow! Are they expensive? easy to use? Sounds like something I would love to have! Is Eudora-whoever (?) the most common?? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, Most of the large name mail packages have "filtering" or "rules" capability. MS Mail, cc:Mail, Novell GroupWise, BeyondMail, etc all have the capability. Eudora is a shareware package. If there is an "add-on" package for other email packages to do this, I don't know of it. Just my 2 cents. :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 12:55:11 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:24:09 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter---SciFi/Fan Conventions -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> John P. Jeffries 11/22/96 11:23 am >>> Being from Bloomington, not many around here.(Indiana) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< There was a StarCon at Indy just a couple of weekends ago, but I wasn't able to go! And Bill Shatner was there too!! *sob!* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 13:11:51 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:57:52 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:10 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, >Most of the large name mail packages have "filtering" or "rules" capability. MS Mail, cc:Mail, Novell >GroupWise, BeyondMail, etc all have the capability. Eudora is a shareware >package. Eudora Lite by Qualcomm is a bare bones shareware mail program. To get the filters, spell check and a bunch of other tools you'll need to pop for Eudora Pro. List at this time is about $89.00 but it's often found discounted. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 13:26:16 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:26:48 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter---SciFi/Fan Conventions -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ROGER ALEXANDER wrote: > There was a StarCon at Indy just a couple of weekends ago, but I wasn't able to go! And Bill Shatner > was there too!! > > *sob!* I went to a convention in 1978. Shatner was there and he talked "Feelings" (whoa whoa whoa). I'm still shuddering. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 13:43:03 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:50:03 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com, jdunfee@shadow.net Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I worked for several years for a company that made industrial refrigeration chambers. (walk-in coolers) The walls of the coolers were made from 4" to 6" thick polystyrene (the white beaded stuff) or polyurethane (the yellow, more rigid stuff) They regularly had scraps over 6" X 48" X 12". They had to pay for them to be trashed, so I am sure they are open to the idea of giving them away. If some of the workers get interested in your project, they may decide to participate, then you may have an endless supply of the stuff! Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, John - You thinking what I'm thinking? GE at Bloomington? Could we be so lucky? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 15:30:39 1996 From: qoe@sna.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:24:34 -0800 (PST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Banter: For X-Files lovers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I saw the new Entertainment Weekly. It is a special collector's issue, #355, November 29, 1996. The cover says, "The Ultimate Viewer's Guide, Everything you need to know about THE CONSPIRACY, Plus: Reviews of the first 82 episodes!" __________________________ |\/\/\/\/\/| Lynne Miles \0 0 0 0 / qoe@sna.com |~~~~~~| Orangevale, CA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 16:05:03 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:59:28 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: Re: TALK: Digests Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >> I don't mean to belabor the Digest point or throw any stones at Halloween-L. >> I think we all learn from experience, and this is just mine on another List. >> Also think that my Digest point was misunderstood as being more work for >> Don Bertino. I was shocked at the amount of trafic during the first two weeks of November. I actually thought I was going to have to unsubscribe unless a digest form could be started. However, after having been gone for six days, I am pleased to report that I found only 90 message waiting for me this evening. So I guess its going to be okay without a digest after all. Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 16:05:08 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:59:19 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: Re: How to post, Was,Re: i need some help...LONG RAMBLE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Okay, some note on posting. Not ment to offend, just to introduce >those who are new to this. >4. Always spell right, people hate it when you dont spell tings the >way you shold. Use the correct pucnuation too, If there is soemting >people hate more than anythign is a person who cant type or spel >write!. :) I don't know Jason . . . we don't hate you . . . ! :-o Nathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 16:05:39 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:59:30 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: kahnn@pa.net (Nathan Kahn) Subject: Re: Snow! effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Lucky. I cant wait to get to Las Vagas, to see all the lights, and >shows and stuff! Jason, just got back from LDI in Orlando (Lighting Dimensions International) and pleased to report that next year's show is in Las Vegas. So maybe now you have an excuse to go. Also, they have moved LDI to October beginning next year (10/24-26) which is great for the exhibitors as it currently conflicts with IAAPA (Association of Amusement Parks). Nathan (BTW, Denny I don't know if you are reading this, but your web shooter was a hit at the New Products Breakfast: Lasers, Special Effects and Widgets.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Kahn Home: kahnn@pa.net Work: nathan@theatrefx.com Work Web: http://www.theatrefx.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 19:36:20 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:32:56 -0400 From: Jason R To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: How to post, Was,Re: i need some help...LONG RAMBLE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Nathan Kahn wrote: > > >Okay, some note on posting. Not ment to offend, just to introduce > >those who are new to this. > > >4. Always spell right, people hate it when you dont spell tings the > >way you shold. Use the correct pucnuation too, If there is soemting > >people hate more than anythign is a person who cant type or spel > >write!. :) > > I don't know Jason . . . we don't hate you . . . ! :-o > Well I am glad to hear that. Really though, hopefully I didnt get anyone too pissed off with that message. Just trying to get a laugh out of some of ya!. Jay -- Jason R Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} VRC Homepage, Use it to find out ALL your Disney info needs. --Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 21:15:14 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:23:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: BANTER---scoolin' Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >> >If there is soemting >> >people hate more than anythign is a person who cant type or spel >> >write!. :) >> >> I don't know Jason . . . we don't hate you . . . ! :-o >> > >Well I am glad to hear that. Really though, hopefully I didnt get >anyone too pissed off with that message. Just trying to get a laugh >out of some of ya!. > >Jay > Na, nobrdy's angry, I ceem to spel perty good! Itz dem othurns out thar that need the scoolin':) :) John :) :) Mr.Scary Productions www.mrscary.com mrscary@mrscary.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 22:21:27 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:20:12 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Three motor flying effect revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >for some reason I have it in my brain that this is/was the type of system >used for doing "birds-eye-view" camera shots over some stadiums, basketball >courts, hockey rinks etc. Yes, I recall such a system. I don't watch sports, so don't know if it is still used anywhere. Of course, theirs,at over a football field big, is a much larger scale system that what I am envisioning > If I am not totally out to lunch you might be able >to get some idea of specs from someone who uses/manufactures them. > >Nick Gloor I kind of doubt they will be willing to hand over enough specs to give me many helpful ideas. Also, theirs was much larger that what I envisioned anyway. PS, on a prior note I had a design for a joystick control where the wires were all inside a box, and said that it would automatically invert all the signals properly because it was arranged as a mirror image - nope... I was wrong. This stuff is hard to visualize. But it won't work as I showed. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 22:32:19 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:32:25 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I worked for several years for a company that made industrial refrigeration chambers. (walk-in >coolers) The walls of the coolers were made from 4" to 6" thick polystyrene (the white beaded stuff) >or polyurethane >(the yellow, more rigid stuff) > They regularly had scraps over 6" X 48" X 12". ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > >John - You thinking what I'm thinking? GE at Bloomington? Could we be so lucky? ;) > >Roger Alexander I was wondering why you called me "John" in the private E-mail version of this message. But apparently you were replying to the list and not intentionally to me. But I gather you are refering to a source for the polystyrene. The stuff is very useful for stones and all sorts of haunted house stuff. Of course, it is quite useful for the stones that every castle should be made of, etc. I made a simple hot-wire cutter by using a sears soldering gun (not a soldering iron-but the higher powered gun shaped kind) I simply substituted about 6" to 8" of coat hanger wire for the regular tip and I bent it to the shape I wanted to cut. One time I made a telepod for "The Fly". It turned out quite well. I first painted it with a thick coat of house paint, and then used silver spray paint. (otherwise the spray paint would have dissolved the foam) Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 04:17:49 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 05:58:42 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:57 PM 11/25/96 -0600, you wrote: >At 03:10 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: > >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, >>Most of the large name mail packages have "filtering" or "rules" >capability. MS Mail, cc:Mail, Novell >>GroupWise, BeyondMail, etc all have the capability. Eudora is a shareware >>package. > >Eudora Lite by Qualcomm is a bare bones shareware mail program. To get the >filters, spell check and a bunch of other tools you'll need to pop for >Eudora Pro. List at this time is about $89.00 but it's often found discounted. >Denny Just saw it at Best Buy for $57 Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 05:46:46 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:41:35 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Linda Bills Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I don't know - perhaps I shouldn't say anything - but I got the Eudora Pro verison sent to me by someone all zipped up nice and neat. This list has helped me a lot with ideas and friendly banter - I'd be willing to send out what I have to whoever needs it. Hope you don't mind the offer. :) Linda pyrfan@ismi.net >>Eudora Lite by Qualcomm is a bare bones shareware mail program. To get the >>filters, spell check and a bunch of other tools you'll need to pop for >>Eudora Pro. List at this time is about $89.00 but it's often found discounted. >>Denny > >Just saw it at Best Buy for $57 > >Bill Lewis >NSWC Carderock Division >Code 6060 >(301) 227-2742 >lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil >lewisb@erols.com > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 06:39:16 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:23:54 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Snow! effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:59 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >(BTW, Denny I don't know if you are reading this, but your web shooter was a >hit at the New Products Breakfast: Lasers, Special Effects and Widgets.) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Nathan Kahn Thanks for your work Nathan! Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares... "widgets" From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 06:56:39 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:42:25 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:41 AM 11/26/96 -0500, you wrote: >I don't know - perhaps I shouldn't say anything - but I got the Eudora Pro >verison sent to me by someone all zipped up nice and neat. This list has >helped me a lot with ideas and friendly banter - I'd be willing to send out >what I have to whoever needs it. Be careful, more and more software companies are willing to send out nasty little letters from their attorneys or go ahead and prosecute illegal distribution. If you've got Eudora Lite, there shouldn't be a problem. If it's Eudora Pro, I'd lay low on that offer. Personally, I liked the shareware Lite version enough to buy the Pro release. It's a good program and Qualcomm deserves to be paid for their efforts. I realize not all people feel that way about software but if you ever experience having "the shoe on the other foot" you'll know why I feel that way. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 07:55:13 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:42:46 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Linda Bills Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You are right of course - I debated about the offer. I've gotten so much off the list I wanted to give a little back. I don't know who the orginal zipper was, but I really like the program, I had Eudora Lite and didn't really care for it. I need a spell checker!!! > Be careful, more and more software companies are willing to send out nasty >little letters from their attorneys or go ahead and prosecute illegal >distribution. If you've got Eudora Lite, there shouldn't be a problem. If >it's Eudora Pro, I'd lay low on that offer. > > Personally, I liked the shareware Lite version enough to buy the Pro >release. It's a good program and Qualcomm deserves to be paid for their >efforts. I realize not all people feel that way about software but if you >ever experience having "the shoe on the other foot" you'll know why I feel >that way. Normally I always buy my software - usually when someone will gives me something, I'll go get it myself, if I like it. I don't like to pirate because I know how I'd feel in the same circumstances. I just feel better having the registered version of something. I plan on replacing my computer soon and I'll probably buy the latest version of Eudora Pro when I get it because I do prefer it over any other email software I've tried. Anyway, just wanted to let you know - I'm not really a "bad" girl. Linda :)))) pyrfan@ismi.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 08:29:29 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:22:04 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Linda Bills Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry, sent my response to the wrong address - made a mistake - try not to hate me. Bad bad bad,,,,,,, going to go back to bed and read a book or something. Not my day for email I guess. Linda From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 08:40:46 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:42:09 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > Personally, I liked the shareware Lite version enough to buy the Pro > release. It's a good program and Qualcomm deserves to be paid for their > efforts. I realize not all people feel that way about software but if you > ever experience having "the shoe on the other foot" you'll know why I feel > that way. While I was working at Sierra On-Line, a entertainment software company, it was estimated that 30% of sales was lost to piracy. On March 16th, 1992 Sierra laid-off 27% of its development staff (i.e. programmers, artists,musicians,designers) in order to be profitable. Not just numbers, but people and friends. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 09:02:51 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:48:12 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:42 AM 11/26/96 -0500, Linda wrote in part: >I've gotten so much >off the list I wanted to give a little back... Hi Linda, I think most of the people on the list know exactly how you feel. :) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 11:27:02 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:19:46 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: David Janoskie Subject: Re: Banter Re: Unhappiness re Numerous Messages! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:41 AM 11/26/96 -0500, you wrote: >I don't know - perhaps I shouldn't say anything - but I got the Eudora Pro >verison sent to me by someone all zipped up nice and neat. This list has >helped me a lot with ideas and friendly banter - I'd be willing to send out >what I have to whoever needs it. Hope you don't mind the offer. :) > >Linda ---------------------------- Linda, I hope you don't mind me getting on my soapbox for a minute, and I understand the feeling when you get something for free, but I write computer programs for a living. The problem is when you offer something like this to the public for free without compensating the company and /or the programmers for it, this is the same as taking merchadise from a store without paying for it. The Eudora Lite version is shareware and is free, but the Pro version you have to pay for. Please note I am NOT saying that you are trying to evade paying for commercial software, but rather (as I have found others in the same situation) not aware of the policy of not copying commercial software. I hope this makes everyone aware of the problem, since not every software comapny is Microsoft, but most are rather bare-bones operations that survive on very low profit margins. I am now climbing off my soapbox now ... Dave Janoskie djan@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 15:10:30 1996 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:43:01 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All, I saw a show (This Old House?) with Bob Villa and they were using sheet styrene foam as insulation in the walls of a room addition. It appeared to be about 4 inches thick, hard to tell on TV. Anyone know anything about this stuff? Pricing, availability? I can't find any at my local home improvement centers. Will check the industrial phone books next. On a side note, about 5 years ago there was a 4" thick sheet of blue styrofoam here in our plant. I got a scrap about 6" x 24" but nobody knows where it came from. It is used for insulating an environmental test chamber. Sounds like the refrigeration type...hmmm...gotta go! Steve Mufasa1023@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 17:42:08 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:38:15 -0500 From: Jules Egyud To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Making Thick Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill Lewis wrote: > > I just got Dales pictures of the TST (TombStoneTerror) adaptation of the TCT > (TrashCanTrama). I like the adaptation. Anyway, Dale mentioned in his email > > ... I would love to see these pictures. Can someone tell me where to find them? Thanks Jules julese@recom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Nov 26 23:03:22 1996 From: Maryanne Torgerson To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Thick tombstones / Low-tech burning grave (LONG) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:59:36 -0800 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Now that it's been almost a month since the big night...and since we're on the subject of thick tombstones - I guess it's time I got around to sharing what I did for Halloween this year! If you recall the Bugs Bunny/"Evil Scientist" thread - unfortunately I never did find the time to make the flashing "Evil Scientist / Boo" sign (there's always Halloween '97, right?) due to my job being completely nuts lately. And cost was definitely a factor - I always try to get the most realistic looking effect at the lowest price I can manage, but I don't like to sacrifice quality for price. But, I did make 5 tombstones and had a graveyard (including a low-tech, CHEAP! "burning grave") in a corner of my front yard. I also did the "crashing witch" - I made her skeleton from PVC pipe, and the body was a cheap Halloween costume (ironically, a "crash test dummy" outfit) from Value Village stuffed with plastic grocery bags. The tombstones were made of foam insulation 2" thick, glued together with wood glue to make them 4" thick which looked much more realistic to me. For the inscriptions I used some of the Halloween fonts I downloaded from Don's website - I just printed out the messages and then copied them freehand onto the tombstones with fine-point magic marker, then carved them out with a soldering iron. (Wish I'd had time to print them actual size and make stencils, but that's another story!) The burning grave was VERY cheap and VERY low-tech, but got plenty of oohs and aahs from the trick-or-treaters (and some parents!) - I used 10 of those garden torches that you fill with citronella in the summer. I found them on sale for under $2.00 each at Cost Plus Imports. They were in sort of "Easter Egg" type colors and had no wicks, probably the reason they were on sale so cheap. I bought wicks and spray-painted the torches black. The largest tombstone, which I carved in sort of a large cross shape, was for the burning grave. It said (shamelessly plagiarized from this list of course): Now I lay me Down to rot Where I'm going It's fiendishly HOT The words were filled in with black paint to make them more readable, except "HOT" was done in red. The 10 torches were arranged around the edges of the grave. I also had a "burning hand" candle in the center of the grave, and pieces of fingers scattered around, and some skeleton hands clutching the torches. The other four tombstones were: Dracula (with several death dates, and blood dripping from each letter), Ramesses II (with an anhk - he was supposed to be the re-buried Mummy, but nobody got it), Abby Normal, and - much to my husband's chagrin - the most popular one: Beavis & Butt-Head Death Sux I got a good laugh out of this, since Glenn had said "don't do that one, it's tacky"! Everybody loved it! Not to give up the evil scientist theme entirely, I did make a surgical table on my front porch using sawhorses and a surgical-green flat sheet bought at Target under $3.00, with a plastic skeleton "patient" and a battery-operated "beating heart" from the Spirit store. I also wore a scrub shirt, stethoscope and reflector (the lab coat I ordered over the Web STILL hasn't arrived!). The really sad part of this is that I left work early, but still arrived home after dark due to horrendous traffic, so all this stuff was up for only 2 1/2 hours or so! And we made sure all our house lights were OFF while we set up, yet people STILL came up and rang the doorbell! One girl (10 or so) came over to me while I hurriedly put up tombstones and asked me "what are you supposed to be?" I said "a homeowner, busy putting up decorations"! The cool part (besides the reactions to Beavis & Butt-Head) was that my daughter, who's 14, had been threatening to pretend not to live here, but decided it was pretty cool and hung out on the porch with a friend, giving out candy! Much thanks to everybody for all the inspiration I got here! Maryanne "I have come too far in life to take orders from a cookie." - Dr. Gullo, "Thin Tastes Better" From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 10:30:05 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:37:19 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER---scoolin' -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> John P. Jeffries 11/26/96 12:23 am >>> >> >If there is soemting >> >people hate more than anythign is a person who cant type or spel >> >write!. :) >> >> I don't know Jason . . . we don't hate you . . . ! :-o >> > >Well I am glad to hear that. Really though, hopefully I didnt get >anyone too pissed off with that message. Just trying to get a laugh >out of some of ya!. > >Jay > Na, nobrdy's angry, I ceem to spel perty good! Itz dem othurns out thar that need the scoolin':) :) John :) :) Mr.Scary Productions www.mrscary.com mrscary@mrscary.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,,, ROTFL!! Ana it's jez our soothern Hooooooosier accen tha dooz it too! ;) Sorry John! Couldn't resist!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 11:10:20 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 10:21 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Stuart Peterson Subject: My "Haunt" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've been wanting to sit down and write this for some time, since joining the list just AFTER Halloween, but, like many others, was being pulled in too many directions...Hey that sounds like a good idea for next year!!! Work took me out of the United States, to Belgium, last year, where they don't celebrate Halloween. Because of limits imposed on the amount of household stuff we could ship to Europe, none of my Halloween goodies made the trip. :{ I was determined to make this year the best ever... In years past I had been in semi-competition with my neighbor from a couple doors down. On Halloween, the year I was gone, he heard alot of "Hey, that happened to the guy down the street?" Before moving back to our house, which we had rented out for the year, I contacted him and suggested that we collaborate. He thought it was a great idea - this year we would do it up right. I have a pretty standard 2-car garage, with the exception of the 16-foot ceilings. We covered the walls, floor to ceiling in black plastic, hanging it from a support beam in the back to create a giant curtain. The front of the garage was also covered with black pastic, with slits cut on either side of an "IN" and an "OUT". We built a simple partition in the middle of the garage, similarly covered in black plastic, to create a "U"-shaped path that would become the "Haunted Garage." On the inside end of the partition, we hung another sheet of black plastic, to make a curtain between the 1st and 2nd half of the garage. Mood music was provided by a CD, entitled "Bach's Organ Blaster", playing in "repeat" mode on my kid's boom-box turned up to the point of total harmonic distortion. I hung blacklights on either side of the middle partition, and on the inside end. Fluorescent green spider web was strung up low so that the bigger "kids" would have to duck. Glow-in-the-dark plastic spiders were sprinkled liberaly in the webbing. Glow-in-the-dark rubber bugs were also sprinkled heavily on the floor. There was also a fogger providing dense atmosphere. Dense to the point that you could see the fog "boiling" out the the "IN" and "OUT" slits from the street, 20 - 30 feet away. The fog and the blacklights combined to create a pretty oppressing environment to enter. Upon entering the garage, in small groups (1 - 3), you first encounter my surgeon and his "patient." The patient is simply pants and a shirt stuffed with newpaper. The patient's head is a hobo mask with pumkin lights in the eyes (also stuffed with paper to give in form). The patient has arms, although they're the detatchable fake arms found nearly everywhere. The surgeon is poised, motionless, over what looks like a sucking chest wound, which is really spaghetti and lasagna noodles bathed in vegetable oil and red food coloring in a baking dish nested into the patient's chest. Under the dish are a couple of glo-sticks to give the soup a little more depth in the dim light. The surgeon has various tools (screw driver, drill, hammer, hack saw) that he is using to "heal" our good friend. When the kids were as close to the table as they were going to get, the surgeon would spring into action, soliciting medical advice from the kids. Other props on the table were a heart and brain that were made from Jell-o. These "organs" were quite a hit, as the surgeon would encourage the guests to touch them. If anyone is interested in how/where to get the molds, let me know - they're simply great. As the guests passed the surgeons table, they would break an entry alert beam (Radio Shack) that triggered a blast of compressed air. This got them moving on to the next attraction. My neighbor mounted a small metal trash can on top of a table. Punching holes in the can, he could see people coming. On the outside of the can he had a pair of fake hands, attached to dowels that he could work from inside the can. The table was covered in black plastic, and the can looked to be driping with blood. On the front of the can was written "Body Parts." My neighbor would slowly wave the fake hands around to attract the kids to come closer. When they were at the right distance (close enough to touch the hands), he, wearing a "swamp-thing" mask, would come screaming up out of the trash can, sending the kids either back to the surgeon for refruge, or through the middle curtain, toward the "box." The "Box" was a small wood box, about 2' square, with sliding doors on the front, an open back, and a couple of small "screw-in" blacklight bulbs inside. This was placed at about kid-head height on top of some 5-gallon paint buckets, and hidden behind the black plastic that was already covering the whole place. All you could see was the doors to the box, and a little light coming around the edges of the doors. Our actor was behind the box, ready to throw the doors open and poke his face (masked, of course), out where it could be seen. We festooned the inside of the box with more spider web, and layered the bottom of the inside of the box with more glow in the dark bugs. The guy also had a midi keyboard with him, and he was creating great noises, laughter, grunts, squawks, and screams. Just before exiting, the kids would encounter our "Head in a Tank." Really a pretty simple thing, I built a frame from PVC and covered it with blue celaphane, to make what I thought looked like an aquairium tank. We put a large moving box over our actor, and poked his head through the top. Covering the moving box with a large table cloth hid the fact that the actor was sitting on a chair inside the box. We put the "tank" over the actors head, and gave him a flashlight to shine under his chin. In the dark, foggy garage, the kids had to get right up to the tank to see what was in it. At that point our actor would scream (an understatement, really, since he was probably heard clearly 4 blocks away), our little victims would come jetting out of the garage. I was playing "Gate Keeper", and had to watch for little ones peeking in the "OUT" door, and move them along lest the get mowed down by those seeking a hasty exit. We also had a wonderful witch that would roam around the garage, making sure that the bigger kids kept their hands to themselves, and to act as solice for the younger ones that were overwhelmed while within. We made an effort to make things a little less scarey for the very little ones being carried through in their parents' arms. Still, with the loud music, fog, and general darkness of the place, I'm sure that a couple of them will be forced into early therapy :) We made heavy use out of the flickering candle lights found at Target, both inside and outside the garage. We had a couple of the electric foam pumpkins along the way, too. On the top of our middle partition was a strobe light that, unfortunately, had a slightly too heavy filter on it, that provided a little "flicker" to the general atmosphere. We had a couple of skulls, here and there, with pumpkin lights stuck in the eyes, too. Our haunt was open for about 2-1/2 hours, and we probably "pushed" 250 - 300 people through it, 1 - 2 at a time. We had a few problems with the compressed air - the thick fog would sometimes break the IR beam, causing the compressed air to be released with there was nobody near. All in all, it was a great time. I've heard that the Jr. High up the street was buzzing the next day about the haunted house "down the street", and have received a couple of offers for additional help next year. It looks like I'll be busy during the upcoming year figuring out what I want to do next Halloween, but with this mailing list, I don't think I'll be coming up short on ideas. Thanks and good luck to all. ...BOO!!! ------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart Peterson "This doesn't suck." stuartp@hevanet.com (503) 626-3809 stuart.peterson@nike.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 11:12:36 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:24:41 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) How about real animal Skulls. I used to see these at rest stops when I was a kid traveling in Arizona. ...Gary gengle@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 11:48:24 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:22:47 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Skeletons-reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:24 PM 11/27/96 -0500, you wrote: > > Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 > walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in > the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. > I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any > alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) > How about real animal Skulls. I used to see these at > rest stops when I was a kid traveling in Arizona. > > ...Gary gengle@erols.com > Gary, There are several "bones" about the market. Doctor office quality sets run in the neighborhood of $350+ If you want a set that looks great, and is "touch-friendly" there is a "kit" availible on the market for under $275.00. The "Kit" comes un-assembled, and painting is optional. All you need is a carpenters or razor knife (to remove the excess trim), and a drill bit (also optional but sugessted). The kit comes in a box, and you trim the bones, glue the parts together (ribcage is in two pieces) and the arms and legs are bolted to the rest of the body. One can put one together in 1-3 hours, and if you paint it, it's very easy. There is a place on the web that has them: http://www.btprod.com "B.T. Productions' Terror by design" He has a "corps" kit photo, but I'm sure he might have a skeleton or two he can "dig up". The Doctor office ones I have seen have the cart and a dust cover. Kinda pricy, but nice. The only thing I have seen to be a problem is some are colored to show diffrent bones or cartilage. The kit one is about as real as one can get. We use this type in our attraction, and even up close, it's hard to tell if it's the real thing or not and is able to survive the touch test. Hope this helps! Hauntingly, John Mr.Scary Productions www.mrscary.com E-Mail mrscary@mrscary.com 1-812-824-9960 FAX: 1-812-824-9960 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 11:58:40 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:36:00 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary Engle wrote: > > Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 > walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in > the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. > I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any > alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) > How about real animal Skulls. I used to see these at > rest stops when I was a kid traveling in Arizona. > > ...Gary gengle@erols.com > Gary, Brainstorms sells a plastic, anatomically accurate skeleton for $299. A friend of mine bought one. It looks pretty good, but it's kind of short (5'5"). -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 13:04:20 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:47:23 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeletons-reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:22 PM 11/27/96 -0500, John wrote in part: >The kit comes in a box, and you trim the bones, glue the parts together >(ribcage is in two pieces) and the arms and legs are bolted to the rest of >the body. One can put one together in 1-3 hours, and if you paint it, it's >very easy. > >There is a place on the web that has them: http://www.btprod.com "B.T. >Productions' Terror by design" He has a "corps" kit photo, but I'm sure he >might have a skeleton or two he can "dig up". > John is being very kind. John Jefferies at can also supply the kits. We sell the corpse kit as shown and also the skeleton kit. Only the picture of the corpse is shown because it made a more interesting photo. Both are molded in a very durable semi-rigid urethane. There is also a female corpse kit available but I have never personally assembled one of them. I'd suggest calling John or myself if you'd like detailed info. on the kits. Good Thanksgiving All! Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 13:48:11 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:16:52 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: My "Haunt" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu, sounds like it was great!! And your use of a small space was very well done. I am sure you have that book " how to run ..." With the box idea, how about a mirror so it really looks like a bodyless head floating in there...See you have me planning again. My husband is going to kill me!! Great job, and keep up the great work. There are more kids to scare out there. Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 15:14:57 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:13:00 -0500 Subject: Skeletons To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HA> Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 HA> walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in HA> the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. HA> I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any HA> alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) HA> How about real animal Skulls. I used to see these at HA> rest stops when I was a kid traveling in Arizona. HA> ...Gary gengle@erols.com HA> I also am interested in locating one, Carl Chetta From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 16:40:51 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 16:26 PST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Stuart Peterson Subject: Re: My "Haunt" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:16 PM 11/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >Stu, > sounds like it was great!! And your use of a small space was very well >done. I am sure you have that book " how to run ..." With the box idea, Actually, I don't know of the book you're talking about. What's the whole title and the author? Sounds like good reading in the off season. The amount of space was a big restriction. What I'd like to try to do, after some projects around the house, is route them around one side of the house, through the back yard, back out the other side, and up on the porch. The porch would be a haven for the little kids who don't want the full treatment. Only BIG problem with that is the weather potential (I live in NW Oregon). >how about a mirror so it really looks like a bodyless head floating in >there...See you have me planning again. My husband is going to kill me!! Look at it this way, if he kills you, you could be another prop for next year's haunt. My wife figures that I don't drink, don't do drugs, don't smoke, so all the money I save by not doing any of that other stuff can go towards Halloween. Ah...not sure what you're getting at with the mirror idea. >Great job, and keep up the great work. There are more kids to scare out >there. This was my first attempt at a real haunted house-like effort. Year before last we set up the surgeon and and our head tank, but very little "mood". Even with that setup, we got a couple of kids pretty good. This year we had kids refusing to go in, being pulled in by parents, backing out the "IN", and running out the "OUT". Some went through so fast they were out almost before I had turned around from letting them in. These weren't just the little kids, but some of the older one's too. Even scored a couple of parents!! I'm afraid that we've set the bar pretty high - word will/has spread - next year we're going to be mobbed. Next year I've also volunteered to work in the "Haunted Graveyard" of a local year-'round Halloween shop. Last Halloween they had nearly 170' of outdoor tunnels and about 8 or 9 big scenes. ALL of the ticket $$ goes to a local day care - the store makes NOTHING on it except, of course, what they sell inside the shop (huge $$$) to kids and parents. It'll be a hoot! ------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart Peterson "This doesn't suck." stuartp@hevanet.com (503) 626-3809 stuart.peterson@nike.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 17:24:24 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:23:37 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) Subject: Re: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 > walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in > the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. > I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any > alternatives? I have been looking for a while, thinking that someone, somewhere would come up with a cheap verson for theatrical use - but no luck. The $15 plastic ones are apparently as good as you can get for under $300. The plastic good ones are all intended for medical educational use, and so are quit accurate - but more so than needed for theatrical use. By the way, real ones are not that much more expensive, but not nearly as durable as the plastic ones. One time I actually did some paper mache over some real sketetons to make some long-dead bodies for a crypt. I first wrapped the entire skeleton in saran rap and then applied several coats of newspaper dipped in a slightly watered down, elmers glue solution. The final coat was paper towels for the right texture. I was able to cut it apart and then re-connect the parts with more paper mache. After painting, the results were quite good looking. Perhaps the same thing could be done with the plastic skeletons and not even bother to cut off the paper mache, just keep it as is, since it would be more durable than a hollow paper mache structure. Joe Dunfee Miami, Florida USA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 17:28:48 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:09:10 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I can get mediacl quality, anatomically correct skeletons (plastic) with stand for about $275 through our medical store. Let me know if you are interested and I can refine the price. If several are interested, I can probably offer a discount. One thing I have thought of is buying one of these more expensive models (it would look great standing in my study year round!) and then casting different parts (or the whole thing) for cheap replicas. >HA> Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 >HA> walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in >HA> the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. >HA> I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any >HA> alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) >HA> How about real animal Skulls. I used to see these at >HA> rest stops when I was a kid traveling in Arizona. > >HA> ...Gary gengle@erols.com >HA> > > I also am interested in locating one, > > Carl Chetta > Richard Hill Information Systems Manager Office Phone: (916) 757-3002 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 757-3010 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu Until May 1997, I'm also Interim Computer Shop Manager Office Phone: (916) 752-6391 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 752-2206 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 18:54:34 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 06:38:11 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Signing Off for Thanksgiving Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gotta sign off for Thanksgiving, folks. I'll be back soon. Will miss you all...don't forget it's only 11 months 'til Halloween... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 20:16:29 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 05:52:51 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: My "Haunt" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stu, The name of the book is "How to operate a financially successful Haunted House" by Philip Morris and Dennis Phillips!! It has some great ideas and shows you how to do them. The mirror for the floating head idea is in there. I know that several of the people on the lise carry it!! Sounds like you are going to be busy next halloween. Kathy The new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 20:28:41 1996 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:17:18 -0500 From: dingwal To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary Engle wrote: > > Hi, Are there any good sources for skeletons? I bought a $15 > walmart special but am disappointed in the quality. I saw in > the archives about making bones but I haven't tried it yet. > I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any > alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) > How about real animal Skulls. I used to see these at > rest stops when I was a kid traveling in Arizona. > > ...Gary gengle@erols.com > I saw anatomically correct plastic skeletons for sale in a catolog from Carolina Biological Company. Big Book, about 2' thick. They were full size. Picture showed the usual skeleton hanging in a classroom. Bit pricy though....$350 if I remember correctly. Couldn't hurt to order the catolog, as I think it was free and loaded with all kinds of cool stuff. I don't know the phone# but calling the 800 directory might be a good place to start, as they may have an 800#...Bobby From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Nov 27 21:47:34 1996 From: "Derek Godfrey" To: Subject: Re: Make-up! Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:13:13 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ---------- > From: Matt Gomes > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Make-up! > Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 1:45 PM > > Hey, all, > > *Lurk mode OFF* > > I'd like to thank those who put up the "Smashed Witch" pictures on the 'net. > My witch came out GREAT! I laugh every time I see it. > > I had a problem putting on my make-up... > > I bought the "wrinkle" kit (latex-based), and I found out how DIFFICULT > it is to put on make-up AFTER you put on the liquid latex. For > next year... does anyone know a solution to this problem? > I am not sure what you are referring to, or why you want to put makeup on before liquid latex. I am assuming you are using the Ben Nye "Wrinkle Stipple" variety of liquid latex. I have never actually used this product but am familier with the concept and how to do it with standard flesh colored latex. You need to do your wrinkles first on clean skin. Make sure the latex is completely dry (use a blow dryer if necessary). Ben Nye makes a product called "Castor Sealor" which is basically Castor Oil mixed with a few other things. Stipple this on top of the latex, completely covering the area. Powder it lightly. Remove excess powder with a powder brush. You are now ready to apply the makeup (base color first). Be sure you powder the makeup with Translucent powder and brush off excess. Hope this helps. Derek Godfrey dgodfrey@interserv.com > > -M From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 28 04:09:04 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Halloween-l@netcom.com'" , "'xmas-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:03:57 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To all you Americans enjoy the day, enjoy the family and don't forget to be thankful for the list. For all of you crazy enough to go shopping tomorrow, it was nice knowing you. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-xmas-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 28 04:12:10 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Halloween-l@netcom.com'" , "'xmas-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:03:57 -0500 Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com To all you Americans enjoy the day, enjoy the family and don't forget to be thankful for the list. For all of you crazy enough to go shopping tomorrow, it was nice knowing you. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-xmas-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 28 10:49:13 1996 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: Blythe To: "'xmas-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com Thanks for the wishes...and yes, thanks for the list... ...but shopping tomorrow? No Way! I'm decorating! Christmas is here :) Carolyn On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Jacqui Young wrote: > To all you Americans enjoy the day, enjoy the family and don't forget to be thankful for the list. > > For all of you crazy enough to go shopping tomorrow, it was nice knowing you. > > Jacqui > > jacqui.young@cciw.ca > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Nov 28 10:51:45 1996 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 13:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: Blythe To: "'xmas-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks for the wishes...and yes, thanks for the list... ...but shopping tomorrow? No Way! I'm decorating! Christmas is here :) Carolyn On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Jacqui Young wrote: > To all you Americans enjoy the day, enjoy the family and don't forget to be thankful for the list. > > For all of you crazy enough to go shopping tomorrow, it was nice knowing you. > > Jacqui > > jacqui.young@cciw.ca > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 30 06:20:23 1996 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:59:10 From: JBKadel@gnn.com (Jim Kadel) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary E. wrote: ============== >I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any >alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) to which Carl Chetta added: ========================== >I also am interested in locating one, and, Joe Dunfee said (snipped): ========================== >I have been looking for a while, thinking that someone, >somewhere would come up with a cheap verson for theatrical use >- but no luck. The $15 plastic ones are apparently as good as >you can get for under $300. I use a kid sized, very good looking, anatomically correct, boned skeleton costing $50. It's about 3 foot tall and Brainstorms 800-231-6000 is a source. This year I put it in a black box and used compressed air to suddently pop it up as kids approached. For photos, see "skele1.jpg and skele2.jpg in the file: porch96.zip. Download the zip file by clicking on it at: http://members.aol.com/Jimk60 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jim Kadel (JBKadel@gnn.com) If it moves and it shouldn't - use duct tape If it doesn't move and it should - reanimate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 30 07:25:40 1996 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 08:57:01 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:59 AM 11/30/96, you wrote: >Gary E. wrote: >============== >>I've heard real skeletons are expensive. Are there any >>alternatives?(Maybe plastic but anatomically correct.) > >to which Carl Chetta added: >========================== >>I also am interested in locating one, > >and, > >Joe Dunfee said (snipped): >========================== >>I have been looking for a while, thinking that someone, >>somewhere would come up with a cheap verson for theatrical use >>- but no luck. The $15 plastic ones are apparently as good as >>you can get for under $300. > I missed this comment when it first hit the list. As John mentioned, full size skeleton kits are available for under $200.00, delivery since the Halloween rush has made them slow to get right now. The kits require cutting the molding flash with a hobby knife and gluing together. They're molded of a urethane foam which is fairly flexible, I reinforce the ones I've built by sliding 1/8 steel gas welding rod into the longer bones. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 30 12:42:29 1996 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: David Smith Subject: Christmas List Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:26:01 +0000 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello to All: The Halloween list been great but it's now time (at least for my family) to look to the whole Christmas decoration thing. So my question to you is: Is there (and if so where) a Christmas mailing list? I did a couple of searches and found everything but :( Thnaks in advance. DcS From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 30 15:14:50 1996 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 17:48:13 -0500 (EST) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Christmas List Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 30 Nov 1996, David Smith wrote: > So my question to you is: Is there (and if so where) a Christmas mailing > list? There sure is.... subscribe to it the same way you did this list except use xmas-l instead of halloween-l. You can find all the archived information in http://www.calweb.com/~bertino Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us llund179@aol.com Phone: (516)-231-8790 Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Nov 30 23:04:41 1996 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:37:42 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Christmas List Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi DcS, Yes, there is a Christmas list and it is ran by the same great person that runs this list!! Don will give you the info on how to get signed up on that list. You will enjoy it, it is just as much fun as this list!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Dec 1 18:56:19 1996 From: cheese@adstone.com Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:45:48 -0500 Subject: Trash Can Trauma To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com FL>Subject: Trash Can Trauma FL>Hello there, Igor here. I was just looking through the Halloween Archives FL>when i saw your excellent idea of Trash Can Trauma. The concept is FL>excellent and i would like to compliment you on a VERY good idea. I would FL>like to use your idea in the next upcoming Igor's Fright Shack though. FL>What i was wondering is that: I am going to be using this idea indoors, FL>in a haunted house type environment. A trash can contains this FL>contraption in your previous instructions. Is there anyway that I could FL>build a bookshelf or some sort of vault out of plywood or fiberboard that FL>could also contain the contraption and still work as good? Thank you for FL>your time. If you would like to know more about Igor's Fright Shack just FL>visit: FL>http://www.angelfire.com/pa/Igor/index.html FL> Thanks again, FL> Igor Thought I would share this with the list members. Carl Chetta From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Dec 1 21:03:19 1996 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 20:44:42 -0700 Subject: Trash Can Trauma To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (info Carl sent from Igor abotu Trash Can Trauma update). Carl, you have a pretty versatile pop-up type reflex scare device in TCT which is not limited to garbage cans alone. A hinged lid or a dual hinged lid would make it pop out simnilar to a sidewalk elevator, perhaps pop a coffin lid a little bit up or out of a grave. The possibilities are deadly! :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 06:11:50 1996 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 08:56:07 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeletons -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com When will you be taking orders?? Can't do it right now (just bought a computer and Christmas is right around corner!), but maybe late next summer closer to next Halloween? Let me know! >>> Rick Hill 11/27/96 6:09 pm >>> I can get mediacl quality, anatomically correct skeletons (plastic) with stand for about $275 through our medical store. Let me know if you are interested and I can refine the price. If several are interested, I can probably offer a discount. One thing I have thought of is buying one of these more expensive models (it would look great standing in my study year round!) and then casting different parts (or the whole thing) for cheap replicas. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 08:15:52 1996 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 96 10:54:59 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Skeletons -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:56 AM 12/2/96 -0500, you wrote: >When will you be taking orders?? Can't do it right now (just bought a computer and Christmas is >right around corner!), but maybe late next summer closer to next Halloween? Let me know! I'm sort of in the same boat. I just bought a new Truck yesterday... I would be interested in getting a group deal on a "real" medical skeleton about in the same time period as Roger. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil lewisb@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 10:10:20 1996 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:54:24 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Skeletons -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Any time anybody wants to order or get more product/pricing info, just let me know. Rick >When will you be taking orders?? Can't do it right now (just bought a >computer and Christmas is >right around corner!), but maybe late next summer closer to next >Halloween? Let me know! > >>>> Rick Hill 11/27/96 6:09 pm >>> >I can get mediacl quality, anatomically correct skeletons (plastic) with >stand for about $275 through >our medical store. Let me know if you are interested and I can refine the >price. If several are >interested, I can probably offer a discount. One thing I have thought of >is buying one of these more >expensive models (it would look great standing in my study year round!) >and then casting different >parts (or the whole thing) for cheap replicas. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 10:34:01 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Off Topic - Disney World Explorer Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:15:51 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I realize this is off topic, but I know a lot of you are into the Disney stuff. Does anyone know, how good is this new software called Disney World Explorer. Does it just show you the rides, or are there details on how they work. I'm considering this as a Christmas gift for my girls, but no one I know has it so evaluation is a little difficult. Thanks Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 12:01:18 1996 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 14:41:46 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Re: Off Topic - Disney World Explorer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, I just saw this software at Epcot Center a few weeks ago, and only looked at the haunted house portion. It gave a couple of pictures from the ride as well as a little music but nothing on how any of the effects were accomplished. Not a very thorough evaluation but hopefully what you're looking for. ...Gary At 01:15 PM 12/2/96 -0500, you wrote: >I realize this is off topic, but I know a lot of you are into the Disney stuff. Does anyone know, how good is this new software called Disney World Explorer. Does it just show you the rides, or are there details on how they work. I'm considering this as a Christmas gift for my girls, but no one I know has it so evaluation is a little difficult. > >Thanks > >Jacqui >jacqui.young@cciw.ca > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 12:03:57 1996 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 11:50:56 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Off Topic - Disney World Explorer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui Young wrote: > > I realize this is off topic, but I know a lot of you are into the Disney stuff. Does anyone know, how good is this new software called Disney World Explorer. Does it just show you the rides, or are there details on how they work. I'm considering this as a Christmas gift for my girls, but no one I know has it so evaluation is a little difficult. > > Thanks > > Jacqui > jacqui.young@cciw.ca Don, I saw this too. $39.99 at Target. Do you know if this is a good product? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 12:27:45 1996 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Gary Engle'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: Off Topic - Disney World Explorer Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:15:01 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks Gary, that's exactly what I was wondering. The write up says its for ages 8-12 which probably makes it a little young for my girls. I was hoping if it gave any inside the rides type info it might be a bit more interesting. Thanks for the review. I think I'll keep looking. Jacqui, I just saw this software at Epcot Center a few weeks ago, and only looked at the haunted house portion. It gave a couple of pictures from the ride as well as a little music but nothing on how any of the effects were accomplished. Not a very thorough evaluation but hopefully what you're looking for. ...Gary From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 18:35:58 1996 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 21:18:39 -0500 From: dingwal To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Off Topic - Disney World Explorer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui Young wrote: > > I realize this is off topic, but I know a lot of you are into the Disney stuff. Does anyone know, how good is this new software called Disney World Explorer. Does it just show you the rides, or are there details on how they work. I'm considering this as a Christmas gift for my girls, but no one I know has it so evaluation is a little difficult. > > Thanks > > Jacqui > jacqui.young@cciw.ca I bought this CD about a month ago. Played with it for one evening. The fellow whom responded earlier was correct. It shows you a few pictures from each attraction (along with the music from that attraction) and some show video clips when you click on it. All of the most popular rides are in there but when you click on The Haunted Mansion it is far from the real experience. There is a catagory at each attraction for "Behind the scenes" which usually shows you a photo from the construction phase and an audio track of someone explaining what it is. These are no more than 20-30 seconds each. Overall it will probably interest your kids for 1 or 2 evenings, then burnout will set in as you can only look at the same photos for so long. It is a neat little product for getting a Disney fix while on lunchbreak at work, as it does cover the three major parks. It would have been better if it was a kind of Disney Park Anthology. Letting us follow along though the Idea/Design/Contruction and opening of each attraction with pictures/videos and words from the creators. A section for selecting and playing the music from the parks would have been nice also (for $39) because we only get a small taste of each when that attraction is chosen. Oh well, maybe on the next CDROM. We'll have to lobby Disney for that one. Overall it's a cute kind of thing. It probably would be better priced at $29 rather than $39, but if it wasn't expensive it wouldn't be true Disney, would it??? Bobby From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Dec 2 19:16:52 1996 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 04:03:26 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Off Topic - Disney World Explorer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, If you have not received a answer already, the list owner Don is the person to talk to about Disney stuff...trust me!! He has more Disney stuff than I thought possible. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Dec 4 05:58:06 1996 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 07:44:16 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Nightmare Before Xmas book Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If you're a big fan of this movie, I saw a book at my local library called *Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas" by Frank Thompson. Tim Burton wrote the forward to the book. It was published in 1993. There are lots of colored photos and illustrations about making the movie. There are 192 pages, if you also count where they listed the complete movie credits. The book contains complete lyrics to all the songs. It describes how they designed the sets, did the animation, etc. Kind of the official behind-the-scenes book on the movie, I guess. It was one of those tall books