From: Allan Clifford To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Death Studios was : Catalogues Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > But in way I am glad > that my supplier had the willing ness to lose the order for that particular > mask, then put out something shotty, or substandard. Which is why (I hope) > that they sometimes don't ship complete. (rose colored glasses included). > > This is such a generally accepted practice that we order stuff we don't > want sometime, just so there is something to go on the walls and those are > often the things that end up the sale.HTML at the web site. And then > sometimes there is just stuff that you know you are not goin to get, and > that is the stuff that you get your own team of designers and sewers > together and make. > > Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume > makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd > Official Home of Montclair Rocky Horror Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 > www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 How about the (wearable....NOT!) Pumpkinhead mask!! Talk about putting something out that is shotty/substandard! I ordered the full size Pumpkinhead statue and the deluxe mask and hands. I checked out the statue throughly at the Chicago show and was pleased with the detail/design but did not get a chance to see the mask/hands (in person). So when I ordered all the pieces for my Pumpinhead scene the hands and mask were that last pieces to arrive. The mask & hands are both unwearable. I tryed it on, had different actors try it, even stuffed padding in the mask and it still didn't fit. The mask is too big and the hands are too small. I finally duct taped small pvc piping in the hands to make them useable as a puppet effect. I will add these duds to my list of substandard halloween masks/props along with the original Freggy Kruger mask. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 17:05:02 1997 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:01:29 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: jasonch@jersey.net (Jason Christman) Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey...pretty kewl idea...Mars Attacks would make an interesting and kinda offbeat display in a haunt...image the corpses of the alien's ray gun's victims lying around...a small amount of smoke rising from them...the aliens standing there...laughing hysterically at their handiwork...taunting your visitors...hehe...I like it! Jason Christman From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 17:17:42 1997 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:11:50 -0800 From: bobpony@ix.netcom.com (Bob Poniatowski) Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You wrote: > >Has anyone seen the Mars Attack movie yet? I have designed a UFO scene >for my 97 production but I want to use another type of alien besides > [snip stuff on Roswell aliens] > >Anyone else have any thoughts about this they would like to share? I'm pretty new to the list, and have always wanted to put together a haunt. I just spent my lunch hour doodling ideas on the "UFO Invasion" theme..."Mars Attacks Sorci Street!"...here are a few thoughts...(my goal is more to have fun than to terrorize): * Aliens have landed on my street in a nice bright shiny saucer. Kids approach saucer, the candy is distributed via portals on the bottom of the saucer (gets the kids right up close) then pop aliens out of portals on the top to spook 'em away. * Pass out "radiation detector badges" as the kids enter (just name badge type stickers with a bit of flourescent paint on 'em)...signs explaining that if the badge glows...you're toast...then use blacklights somewhere along the way to make the detectors "glow" (maybe the aliens threaten to set off a nuclear device?). * Have Military Police guarding the garage (maybe block off the driveway from view too...I don't have much garage space left)...use them as greeters/crowd control. * Maybe a storyline where the aliens are infesting the humans...use blue light/red light makeup effects (ala Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde) to transform the MP's from "good" to "evil"...or maybe have little chestburster puppets under their shirts, and fake arms holding rifles/clipboards/etc. (although I'd have to go with more muppet-esq aliens...there are unwarped children in the household!) * Just saw these 60's-ish lamps in Spencers...they consist of two plastic tubes, one inside the other, rotating in different directions...colored patterns on the tubes mix as they rotate. Reminded me of a lamp I saw in Seattle once, the heat from the bulb caused a paper tube to spin inside a rice paper frame...the tube was cut into vanes on the top and had colored cellophane cutout designs that were projected onto the rice paper surface as it spun. Maybe something like this would be good for "warning lights" or control pods on the saucer (sorry for the vague description). * A large Mars Attacks style alien sitting in the saucer, talking to the kids (a puppet, only torso and head visible)... * Need a way to use my four year old daughter in this without spooking her too much... * gotta have a scientist and a mulder/scully type poking around... * gotta have a theremin... Anybody have any suggestions on materials for building a nice metallic saucer? (reading back through this I could envision quite a large, extravagent production...aliens have landed...gov't has blocked off the house...big alien head rises out of top of saucer...he's peaceful, gives out candy, talks to kids...then little "rat aliens" are discovered to have infested the ship & are escaping to earth (popping up as kids come forward for candy)...the good alien (or maybe the gov't) decides the "rats" must not infest earth so they start the countdown to nuke the neighborhood (maybe an alien "radiation beam" starts making the detector badges glow (blacklight)...scientist standing next to saucer gets infected...a rat alien puppet bursts out of his/her chest...crowd is told to run for it...on the way out have the rat aliens bursting out of the MP's chests...simulate the nuke with red lights so that the MP's ghoulie makeup shows up... Well...nothing that a cast of twenty and a few thousand dollars couldn't fix! =) Perchance to dream... Pony From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 19:15:12 1997 From: "Brian Henderson" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:17:07 +800 Subject: Re: Brian Henderson Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I have received E-mail from Brian, but when I try to send mail to > him it gets returned. So, Brian Henderson, please check your mail > address. I am unable to reply to your posts. > > Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but this is the only way to contact > him:) Sorry. Apparently there is an incorrectly configured system out there somewhere that is affecting some people's ability to send e-mail to my server. I can send mail to Netcom, but Netcom cannot send mail to me. I cannot get on Netcom's web servers, but they can get on mine. It's bizarre, but they're working on the problem. -Brian From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 20:58:52 1997 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 23:52:29 -0500 From: Allan Clifford To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Poniatowski wrote: > > I'm pretty new to the list, and have always wanted to put together a > haunt. I just spent my lunch hour doodling ideas on the "UFO Invasion" > theme..."Mars Attacks Sorci Street!"...here are a few thoughts...(my > goal is more to have fun than to terrorize): > So is this going to be your theme for 97? If so, I like it! For the detector badges you could use one of the invisible UV colors to paint the lettering or background of the badge (or a cheaper route maybe to use the Biz powder bleach glued on the badge to spell out TOXIC or maybe a border). > then little "rat aliens" are discovered to have infested the ship & are > escaping to earth The Trash Can Trama could be setup for your rat alien ideal, like they are invading your house and in your trash cans as people go by a rat pops up with some trash in his mouth. In my plans the spaceship is big enough for the people to walk in but I haven't checked on materials yet. I wonder what would be the best type to use to make the ship look real? Allan From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 21:12:20 1997 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 12:07:20 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Chicago Trade Show (BANTER) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Someone suggested that there will be new restrictions as to who will and who will not be allowed through the doors at the trade show to limit the accessibility to "real businesses" (my emphasis) as opposed to the casual browsers. The problem is, the implications are (based on what I read re: Death Studios/order amounts dollar-wise) that "real businesses" place large $$$ orders while the casual buyers place small $$$ orders. So what constitutes a "real business?" I hardly think the size of the order is what separates the men from the boys. If that were the case, a few people I know who are in the business would not be in the business. What constitutes "proof" that one is in the business? Yellow Pages ads? Tax I.D. numbers? Well, that's a start I suppose, but it's easy to set oneself up as a business and still not place sizable orders with the exhibitors at the trade show. So what's next...a signed commitment to place minimum orders with Rubies, Morris, Death Studios et al? And at what dollar level? $1000? $10,000? $100,000? And at what dollar level will a customer expect to receive quality service and timely delivery? If I continually placed orders with a vendor and received delivery many months after the promised dates, I would simply stop placing orders with that vendor. Period. There are no excuses for shoddy order fulfillment and/or customer service. If I did that with my customers, they would take their business elsewhere. Simple as that. If I meet the terms of the purchase agreement ($100 minimum with many of the trade show suppliers), I see no need to further demonstrate my "sincerity" by placing huge orders just to be treated as a "real customer." Since I mentioned Rubies, I'll pass along this experience: I attempted to browse through their catalog at the trade show last year. A salesperson who was engrossed in the intricacies of proper hair and nail care with a co-worker immediately took the catalog from my hands and said I was not permitted to even LOOK at it unless I placed an order with them. She then put it out of reach and turned her back to me so she could continue her personal conversation. If that wasn't unprofessional, I don't know what is. So I guess in the eyes of Rubies, I'm not a legitimate business person. Hmmm...I hope they aren't the ones to decide if I can come back next year. Aside from all of the above, the reality is that the trade show is not opened to retailers only. There are many attendees who will never place an order with a majority of the exhibitors. I, for example, have needs quite different than those of my friend Denny at Terror By Design. Who has needs quite different than those of the Spencers buyers. Even if I were to place an order for $100 with one of the suppliers, it's not going to drive anyone out of business. Also, it's absurd to think that enough of the general public would know about the trade show; to pay to get to the trade show; to pay for lodging; to get in the doors as "pseudo-businesses"; to place enough $100 orders to drive anyone out of business. Just as the mere existence of the trade show would surprise most of the general public, I suspect that few are aware of the many and various catalogs that one can receive by mail. If anyone is concerned that the lack of stringent requirements to get into the trade show is harming their business to a great degree, I suggest your beef lies elsewhere. Like with the distributors that carry $100 minimum order terms, for example. I don't need to attend the trade show to place wholesale orders with the suppliers. But it is the best way to see what's new, what's great and what's lousy. Lastly, I suspect the minimum order terms with a lot of the suppliers are unlikely to change to a significant degree in the near future. I overhead many an exhibitor bemoan the attendance and order levels at the show. The general public hears how Halloween is second only to Christmas in retail sales and is only growing. You'd hardly know it from conversations in Chicago last year. Now let me step down from my soapbox before I get pushed off... ;) (P.S. - Denny...can I help it if everyone places their stuff at my eye level and not yours? I don't THINK so...I'll meet you there this year and we'll discuss this further over those beers I owe you... ;) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 23:01:56 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:58:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Curious To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, you may want to check out my psychological in some earlier messages, about the 3 forms of fright. As a refresher: a. gore scare, gross body parts, anything to cause a revolted reaction. b. reflex scare, sudden loud noise or light or suprise which causes an instinctive reaction. c. psychological scare, this one is hardest to achieve but it works best. Play opn people's fears, paranoia, phobias, natural fears. A dark room with a loud beating heart can produce as much fright if not more than a gross dead body at their feet... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 23:12:09 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:08:08 -0700 Subject: Mars Attack?? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Saw the movie. You'll get a kick out of it. It's rude, tasteless, classless and utterly funny. I second the boredom with the Roswell alien. Saw a fairly decent haunted house out here based on the whole theme. It would have been nice if they didn't use the Roswell alien to a T. It made it sort of predictable. Remember back when movies had some truly imaginative aliens? My personal favorites were the Luminants in the movie Dark Star (and for laughs, the fight with the beach ball will tickle your fancy). I'm under the theory that the CIA has a secret contract out with all the moviemakers to use the Roswell alien type, so that when they decide to show us the aliens, we won't be so freaked out since they are rapidly becoming as familiar an icon as the happy day smily face.... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 23:12:50 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:08:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Running the business To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Allen, it;s still a couple of years. It's been in development for over a decade now. Your basic travelling haunted house crew inhabiting the Los Angeles area. The decade hgas been research and design, to make it stand out as a high quality entertainment value. Watch this space... :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 7 23:13:44 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:10:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If you want some fun ideas, go back to the source. Get a hold of the original Mars Attacks! trading cards. Some of them were not used in the movie, but were pretty gross. The one with the people tied over the mouths of cannons creeped me out.... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 04:04:46 1997 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 09:03:00 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Chicago Trade Show (BANTER) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Apologies if this hits the list twice - I'm not sure our Internet gateway was up and running yesterday... - S. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Chicago Trade Show (BANTER) Author: Stuart McIntire at AISDC Date: 1/6/97 12:07 PM Someone suggested that there will be new restrictions as to who will and who will not be allowed through the doors at the trade show to limit the accessibility to "real businesses" (my emphasis) as opposed to the casual browsers. The problem is, the implications are (based on what I read re: Death Studios/order amounts dollar-wise) that "real businesses" place large $$$ orders while the casual buyers place small $$$ orders. So what constitutes a "real business?" I hardly think the size of the order is what separates the men from the boys. If that were the case, a few people I know who are in the business would not be in the business. What constitutes "proof" that one is in the business? Yellow Pages ads? Tax I.D. numbers? Well, that's a start I suppose, but it's easy to set oneself up as a business and still not place sizable orders with the exhibitors at the trade show. So what's next...a signed commitment to place minimum orders with Rubies, Morris, Death Studios et al? And at what dollar level? $1000? $10,000? $100,000? And at what dollar level will a customer expect to receive quality service and timely delivery? If I continually placed orders with a vendor and received delivery many months after the promised dates, I would simply stop placing orders with that vendor. Period. There are no excuses for shoddy order fulfillment and/or customer service. If I did that with my customers, they would take their business elsewhere. Simple as that. If I meet the terms of the purchase agreement ($100 minimum with many of the trade show suppliers), I see no need to further demonstrate my "sincerity" by placing huge orders just to be treated as a "real customer." Since I mentioned Rubies, I'll pass along this experience: I attempted to browse through their catalog at the trade show last year. A salesperson who was engrossed in the intricacies of proper hair and nail care with a co-worker immediately took the catalog from my hands and said I was not permitted to even LOOK at it unless I placed an order with them. She then put it out of reach and turned her back to me so she could continue her personal conversation. If that wasn't unprofessional, I don't know what is. So I guess in the eyes of Rubies, I'm not a legitimate business person. Hmmm...I hope they aren't the ones to decide if I can come back next year. Aside from all of the above, the reality is that the trade show is not opened to retailers only. There are many attendees who will never place an order with a majority of the exhibitors. I, for example, have needs quite different than those of my friend Denny at Terror By Design. Who has needs quite different than those of the Spencers buyers. Even if I were to place an order for $100 with one of the suppliers, it's not going to drive anyone out of business. Also, it's absurd to think that enough of the general public would know about the trade show; to pay to get to the trade show; to pay for lodging; to get in the doors as "pseudo-businesses"; to place enough $100 orders to drive anyone out of business. Just as the mere existence of the trade show would surprise most of the general public, I suspect that few are aware of the many and various catalogs that one can receive by mail. If anyone is concerned that the lack of stringent requirements to get into the trade show is harming their business to a great degree, I suggest your beef lies elsewhere. Like with the distributors that carry $100 minimum order terms, for example. I don't need to attend the trade show to place wholesale orders with the suppliers. But it is the best way to see what's new, what's great and what's lousy. Lastly, I suspect the minimum order terms with a lot of the suppliers are unlikely to change to a significant degree in the near future. I overhead many an exhibitor bemoan the attendance and order levels at the show. The general public hears how Halloween is second only to Christmas in retail sales and is only growing. You'd hardly know it from conversations in Chicago last year. Now let me step down from my soapbox before I get pushed off... ;) (P.S. - Denny...can I help it if everyone places their stuff at my eye level and not yours? I don't THINK so...I'll meet you there this year and we'll discuss this further over those beers I owe you... ;) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 05:08:11 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Where to Get Badges? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 05:52:02 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just curious, as I too have need of "badges" for next Halloween. Where does one get "made to order" badges or is it best/cheaper to buy plastic holders and make um yourself? Has anyone had experience in doing this type of thing. How to quickly attach to a child's costume - sticky tape? [probably NOT with those "safety pin" type backs] Jim Kadel (Jimk@rica.net) Ref: Allan Clifford mentions: ============================================================ >For the detector badges you could use one of the invisible UV colors to paint the >lettering or background of the badge (or a cheaper route maybe to use the Biz >powder bleach glued on the badge to spell out TOXIC or maybe a border). From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 05:52:11 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:04:09 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Where to Get Badges? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:52 AM 1/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Just curious, as I too have need of "badges" for next Halloween. Where >does one get "made to order" badges or is it best/cheaper to buy plastic >holders and make um yourself? Has anyone had experience in doing this type >of thing. How to quickly attach to a child's costume - sticky tape? >[probably NOT with those "safety pin" type backs] > >Jim Kadel (Jimk@rica.net) > "BADGES? We don't need no stinking BADGES!" (sorry, couldn't resist) As a night-club manager, I used several for promos and such. I will look to see if I still have info on them. If you have a GALLS catalog, they sell several kinds and/ or plastic holders. The local print shops also sells the plastic sleeves and or clips, and could make whatever you need. If you have a good printer, you can use large labels or those "sticky" type and print with your logo, and mark with UV dye. (Just looked through the new GALLS catalog, I know some of them had "protective" suits and "bio-hazard" I.D. Badges.) We used a set up like that for a "contamination leak" skit. The people liked it. Hope this helps John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 06:26:37 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:15:47 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new hh URL Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:26 PM 1/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >I misstyped the url. Sigh. > >http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews/hall97.htm > >-- >Bob Andrews Nice work Bob! A perfect example of- The person with the most storage space (and talent) wins. When Catie bludgeons you in your sleep, can I have your stuff? Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 06:29:44 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:15:46 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chicago Trade Show (BANTER) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:07 PM 1/6/97 EST, Stu wrote in part: I disagree with Stu on one point... >(P.S. - Denny...can I help it if everyone places their stuff at my eye level > and not yours? Hanging stuff in the rafters is not eye level, my decision stands. ;) >I don't THINK so...I'll meet you there this year and we'll > discuss this further over those beers I owe you... ;) I'm on my way. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 07:59:15 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:48:27 -0500 From: CSMITH06@mailb.harris.com (CSMITH06) Subject: Re: Where to Get Badges? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim, I made one for my son's Halloween costume last year. He was a Cherynobl (sp?) worker. I found a red, battery operated flasher that a jogger or biker might wear, attached it to a card that read "radiation detector - toxic level" and hung this on a chain he wore around his neck. Along with this he wore a "timecard" with the word "Cherynobl" stamped on it. And to bring the costume together we cut open many, many of the green snap light tubes and poured these all over his clothes to make him glow. We used old clothes that could be tossed afterward and were careful to keep the "glow stuff" away from his skin. His costume turned out great! He glowed for about two hours and it has easy to pick him out in a group of trick or treaters on a dark street! This may not be the route you want to go but I hope it helps. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Where to Get Badges? Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at smtp Date: 1/8/97 5:52 AM Just curious, as I too have need of "badges" for next Halloween. Where does one get "made to order" badges or is it best/cheaper to buy plastic holders and make um yourself? Has anyone had experience in doing this type of thing. How to quickly attach to a child's costume - sticky tape? [probably NOT with those "safety pin" type backs] Jim Kadel (Jimk@rica.net) Ref: Allan Clifford mentions: ============================================================ >For the detector badges you could use one of the invisible UV colors to paint the >lettering or background of the badge (or a cheaper route maybe to use the Biz >powder bleach glued on the badge to spell out TOXIC or maybe a border). From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 08:00:39 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 07:52:57 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new hh URL Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny wrote: > Nice work Bob! A perfect example of- The person with the most storage space > (and talent) wins. > > When Catie bludgeons you in your sleep, can I have your stuff? > Denny Denny, Part of my Halloween '97 budget will be spent on a 10'x16' storage barn. So Catie won't bludeon me in my sleep. Well, not because of Halloween storage anyway. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 08:23:21 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 11:04:13 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Mars Attack?? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >If you want some fun ideas, go back to the source. Get a hold of the >original Mars Attacks! trading cards. Some of them were not used in the >movie, but were pretty gross. The one with the people tied over the >mouths of cannons creeped me out.... So...you're independently wealthy, then? ;) I'd love an original set (not reprints or homages) if you're feeling exceptionally generous this morning. My address is... ;) - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 09:00:29 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:40:05 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: njg@cc.UManitoba.CA (Nick Gloor) Subject: saucer siding Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Anybody have any suggestions on materials for building a nice metallic >saucer? At one point several years ago I purchased from our local newspaper used press plates, in quantity. I do not remember what metal it was, the candidates would be aluminum or some kind of steel alloy. Very light guage, but stiff enough to act as sheathing for a prop of some kind. I know of some people who have used these plates for siding outbuildings. We were going to use it to cover a large umm mumble mumble flying saucer mumble mumble, but the project never got off the ground. One thing to note when you go to pick them up. They have the days news all over them in ink on one side. Its not the sort of thing you want to put in the back of your new car. Nick Gloor njg@cc.umanitoba.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 09:24:09 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:10:27 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dusk til Dawn Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > As for movies did anyone see the horror movie about vampires > that was out with George Clooney in it??? I was wondering because we are > looking to see a new video. Any comments!! Kathy, I think you're talking about Dusk til Dawn. The first hour and a half of the movie was pretty engrossing (in a Pulp Fiction sort of way) and fairly tense, but it didn't have a thing to do with vampires. When the vampires came out, it was a bloodfest--very gory, but the plot went out the window. It was like watching two different movies. We weren't impressed at all. Definitely not a movie to watch with your kids (mine have been raised on monsters and vampires, but this is way too gory AND nasty). While it doesn't save the movie, there is some comic relief provided by Cheech Marin (Cheech and Chong fame) who has multiple small roles. Personally, we're sorry we spent the money. Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 09:42:17 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:21:23 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Where to Get Badges? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CSMITH06 wrote: > I made one for my son's Halloween costume last year. He was a Cherynobl (sp?) > worker. I found a red, battery operated flasher that a jogger or biker might > wear, attached it to a card that read "radiation detector - toxic level" and > hung this on a chain he wore around his neck. Along with this he wore a > "timecard" with the word "Cherynobl" stamped on it. And to bring the costume > together we cut open many, many of the green snap light tubes and poured these > all over his clothes to make him glow. We used old clothes that could be tossed > afterward and were careful to keep the "glow stuff" away from his skin. His > costume turned out great! Great costume idea! I'm gonna have to get with you on ideas for Halloween '97. Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 10:08:29 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 12:52:29 -0500 From: Craig Lewis To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Where to Get Badges? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > Just curious, as I too have need of "badges" for next Halloween. Where > does one get "made to order" badges or is it best/cheaper to buy plastic > holders and make um yourself? Has anyone had experience in doing this type > of thing. How to quickly attach to a child's costume - sticky tape? > [probably NOT with those "safety pin" type backs] Not sure what type of badges you are looking in, but my business specializes in them. We have done them for individuals (we can do just one), for clubs, concerts and more. We are on the world wide web at http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber or you can call us at (540) 989-0239. Craig -- CyberImage- Custom Caps, Shirts & Color ID Badges http://www.intrlink.com/~cyber From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 10:41:10 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:16:46 -0800 From: bobpony@ix.netcom.com (Bob Poniatowski) Subject: Mars Attacks Gun - Cool! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Has anyone seen the toy phaser gun being marketed from Mars Attacks? Saw one for the first time yesterday...very cool. Same sort of style as the stuff in the movie, very 50's bubble-ish looking & brightly colored. The best part is the little pink brain that's enclosed in a clear bubble atop the gun...it squirms around while your shooting! That's going on my birthday wish list!! (it was $14.95 fyi) Bob Pony From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 11:19:11 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:02:13 -0500 From: Allan Clifford To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > If you want some fun ideas, go back to the source. Get a hold of the > original Mars Attacks! trading cards. Some of them were not used in the > movie, but were pretty gross. The one with the people tied over the > mouths of cannons creeped me out.... > I bought the new complete set of Mars Attack trading cards from Topps to have a hardcopy to look at. They included some cool cards of the creatures not shown in the movie. The card shop I go to had $50 on the original set. Allan From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 11:22:08 1997 From: Fictional Person Subject: Re: Dusk til Dawn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:59:50 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I think you're talking about Dusk til Dawn. The first hour and a half of > the movie was pretty engrossing (in a Pulp Fiction sort of way) and > fairly tense, but it didn't have a thing to do with vampires. When the > vampires came out, it was a bloodfest--very gory, but the plot went out > the window. It was like watching two different movies. > > Debbie > This movie reminded me of that old reeces peanut-butter cup comercial: A studio employee is roller skating through a studio back lot carrying canisters of film to the editing room. Another studio employee is skate boarding from the opposite direction carrying canisters of another film to the editing room. At the entrance to the editing room they colide. "Hey!" says the roller skater, "You got your horror movie in my gangster flick!" "Well, you got your gangster flick in my horror movie." returns the skateboarder. The two begin to hold the mixed film up to the light. "Hey", they both say at once. "This could be great!" Two great tastes that taste great together. From Dusk 'till Dawn. Unfortunately it was more like chocolate and tuna than chocolate and peanut butter but oh well. Steve From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 12:17:29 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 15:00:20 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Mars Attack?? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I bought the new complete set of Mars Attack trading cards from Topps >to have a hardcopy to look at. They included some cool cards of the >creatures not shown in the movie. The card shop I go to had $50 on the >original set. I believe there was a reissue set of the original Mars Attacks! series put out a couple of years ago...then another set with new illustrations by some of the more popular comic book artists working today. Now *I'd* like to have the original Topps set ;) but it costs several hundreds of dollars :( - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 12:22:40 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 97 15:07:55 EST From: Stuart McIntire To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Dusk til Dawn Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Great imaginary scenrio deleted)... >Two great tastes that taste great together. From Dusk 'till Dawn. >Unfortunately it was more like chocolate and tuna than chocolate and >peanut butter but oh well. My sentiments immediately after the movie...in retrospect, a semi-decent campy flick (once the vampires enter the picture, anyway). It has by far the most awkward shift in mood/tempo/genre mid-flick of any movie I've yet to see. Hollywood stomps all over artists. Hollywood fawns all over artistes. Tarantino is the hottest artiste in Hollywood... - Stu stuart.mcintire@uage.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 12:55:11 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:40:27 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chicago Trade Show (BANTER) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To Stu's points about wholesale/retail and the Chicago Show, only one word: "Ditto" cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 14:53:47 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:21:40 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? (long) -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Don't use fluorescent paint on your badges; it can be seen in other lighting. Get some phosphorescent paint or ink and rubber stamp a skull on a white label for the badge. The skull will be invisible until it hits the black light beam if the ink/paint doesn't get charged by light beforehand... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 14:55:47 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:31:43 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Where to Get Badges? -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Get laser 2" x 4" labels and print them out with whatever you want. Then just peel and stick on kids. Someone here mentioned that Woolite glows under black light but is invisible in natural light...how about lightly spraying a solution on the badges? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 17:57:33 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:53:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com How much does the reprint set go for, Allan? me would be interested :) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 18:06:46 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:51:06 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Mars Attack?? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Independantly wealthy? If you consider that I live alone and hold down 3 jobs to make ends meet, then yup, I'm independantly wealthy. At least the Socal gang will get to see the results of one of my jobs in 2 months or so (grin).... Harry "Thank you Intamin for building my puppy out HERRE!!!!!!!! :) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 19:10:47 1997 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 16:06:12 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dusk til Dawn Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks Gang, I have been told it was great, to don't bother spending the money!! That is what makes this list great!! We all have different ideas and thoughts about things!! Well, hubby says no...I say yes....So we will be renting it this weekend!! Then I will post my opion!! Maybe the studios should get us to check out their horror movies!! And speaking of movies go see scream!! Was filmed here in Sonoma, Very stupid!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 8 21:00:20 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:41:59 -0800 From: bobpony@ix.netcom.com (Bob Poniatowski) Subject: Go See Scream! (was Re: Dusk til Dawn) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You wrote: > >Thanks Gang, > I have been told it was great, to don't bother spending the money!! >That is what makes this list great!! We all have different ideas and >thoughts about things!! I agree! >And speaking of movies go see scream!! I agree! >Was filmed here in Sonoma, Very stupid!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^ I completely disagree! Scream was great! Very witty, lots of neat plot twists, didn't take itself too seriously, many, many in-jokes for the horror/slasher movie fan... It was scary and fun! But not stupid! =) Bob Pony >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 07:32:29 1997 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 10:13:44 -0500 From: Allan Clifford To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > How much does the reprint set go for, Allan? me would be interested :) > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] He had one complete set going for fifty (I could try to get him to go lower)! Allan From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 08:21:13 1997 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:17:19 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mars Attack?? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Allan Clifford wrote: > > htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > > > How much does the reprint set go for, Allan? me would be interested :) > > > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] > > He had one complete set going for fifty (I could try to get him to go > lower)! > > Allan If anyone wants to just see what these cards are all about, there is a website that has all of the cards for viewing even the more violent ones added on 1989. the URL: http://home.sprynet.com:80/sprynet/brucerf/MAchklst.htm -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 12:15:03 1997 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 12:30:32 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Bimbo Handling 101 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com writes: > ...Rubies...I attempted to browse > through their catalog at the trade show > last year. A salesperson who was > engrossed in the intricacies of proper > hair and nail care with a co-worker > immediately took the catalog from my > hands and said I was not permitted to > even LOOK at it unless I placed an > order with them. She then put it out of > reach and turned her back to me so she > could continue her personal > conversation. If that wasn't > unprofessional, I don't know what is... Hi, Stu. Here's where you went wrong (my assumption ;-) ). In that situation (Karen, back me up on this...), the next words out of my mouth would have been: "And what is your name?" and my next action would have been to be very obvious in writing that name down. Your next line: "Would you prefer I put in a call to Rubies during my next break, followed by a letter next week, detailing your lack of attention to a potential customer at a trade show, or would you prefer to find what happened to the catalog I was examining a moment ago--I seem to have lost it..." If this bimbo isn't bright enough to pull her neck out of your noose, she deserves what she gets. Frankly, any business that can afford to insult and ignore current and potential buyers doesn't last long. I very much doubt management would have approved of that kind of behavior and would want to know how their customers are treated. Today's little business may be tomorrow's big purchaser. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 13:46:53 1997 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 15:35:22 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bimbo Handling 101 (BANTER) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lauren Jones wrote: > > writes: > > > ...Rubies...I attempted to browse > > through their catalog at the trade show > > last year. A salesperson who was > > engrossed in the intricacies of proper > > hair and nail care with a co-worker > > immediately took the catalog from my > > hands and said I was not permitted to > > even LOOK at it unless I placed an > > order with them. She then put it out of > > reach and turned her back to me so she > > could continue her personal > > conversation. If that wasn't > > unprofessional, I don't know what is... > > Hi, Stu. > > Here's where you went wrong (my > assumption ;-) ). In that situation (Karen, > back me up on this...), the next words out > of my mouth would have been: "And what > is your name?" and my next action would > have been to be very obvious in writing > that name down. Your next line: "Would > you prefer I put in a call to Rubies during > my next break, followed by a letter next > week, detailing your lack of attention to a > potential customer at a trade show, or > would you prefer to find what happened > to the catalog I was examining a moment > ago--I seem to have lost it..." Me Karen? Oh yeah, Stu, bimbo-shredding is always fun. Is this one of those trade shows where some companies hire *hood ornaments* to man the booths? I'm big on reporting poor customer service to the higher-ups. No telling how many other potential customers may have witnessed/overheard that behavior at a trade show and decide not to use that company or else they hear about it in other places. (like here!) If I found out it's really a company policy (no order, no catalog perusal) than I'd still let the company know how I felt. How do you know you want to order from them if you can't see what's offered? karen p cproctor@flash.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 14:34:26 1997 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 14:29:07 -0800 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Bimbo Handling 101 (BANTER) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've been listening to this discussion of the behavior of wholesalers at cons towards retail guests during 'public days', and just thought I'd throw in a shekel or two... If they're going to let the public in, they should have something more than just an exhibit for them to see...otherwise, its kinda dumb to have a public day. Note: I didn't say they should *sell* to the public on that day. One conference I was at had the right idea. On 'public day', the wholesalers had their catalogs out, sans price lists. The only things they distributed were freebies/giveaways/etc., no-price catalogs, and LISTS of local retail distributors. Also, many firms had representatives of some of their retailers in the booths to answer questions about retail purchases, prices, ordering, etc. IMHO, this is smart. You get the message out to the interested public about new merchandise, you let them have catalogs, and you point (or better still, INTRODUCE) them to a local retailer of said merchandise. Otherwise, many people aren't even AWARE of what new merchandise is out there..... Hopefully, in this scenario, everybody's happy. The wholesaler creates a market for items, the retailer finds new customers, and the customer finds new merchandise they want to buy. Dream World, you say....? -bill. -- <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> | "We do not stop playing because we've grown old. | | We grow old because we've stopped playing." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS **| <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 14:57:38 1997 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 15:46:22 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bimbo Handling 101 (BANTER) -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It was the other Karen I was thinking of, but this Karen said it all! :-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 16:29:19 1997 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:19:50 -0800 From: bobpony@ix.netcom.com (Bob Poniatowski) Subject: Revolting Recipe Book To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, I've got Halloween on the brain this week... Went to the local bookstore today (Border's Books - Milpitas, CA) and found a neat cookbook in the kids section - Roald Dahl's Revolting Recipes...while not all of the recipes were revolting, a few of the standouts included: Bird Pie - basically a pie with bird legs sticking up out of the crust (the legs are made with bright yellow and pink pipe cleaners, singed on the ends to resemble toes)...very colorful and different! Hot Frogs - half a green apple baked on top of a frog shaped bit of puff pastry, raisins for eyes...I liked the name. Mr. Twit's Beard Food - a very elaborate "face" made out of lots of stuff...with shoestring potatoes used for the beard. Very mean and revolting! It was written by Dahl, illustrated by Blake (I think)...sorry, I didn't get the ISBN. It has a yellow cover (hardback), and is $15 - a bit too pricey for my budget today! Cheers, Bob Pony From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 9 19:43:21 1997 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 16:31:44 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bimbo Handling 101 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lauren, I like the way you head your post!! I am a small business owner, I have only one person that works for me. And she has always been taught that I don't care if both hands are full, if you have the phone up to your ear, and the register is open, You treat every person that comes in that door with a hello and a smile!!! I don't have to be treated like a Queen when I go to buy something, but treating me like Stu was treated would have been that young ladies last mistake! I would have asked for the boss right there...be polite, it does not take much!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 10:37:53 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:31:14 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new hh URL Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've finished the imagemap of my '97 haunted yard on my site, http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews . This is the way I'd like to see a virtual haunt, with an overall view (or a series of overall views) with links to the htmls of the various displays. Please let me know what you think. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 11:42:45 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 13:31:08 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: robdoc@startribune.com (Robyn Dochterman) Subject: Re: new hh URL Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I've finished the imagemap of my '97 haunted yard on my site...Please let me know what you think. >-- >Bob Andrews Bob, Your page is just fabulous.!!! What program did you use to generate the art? --Robyn Robyn Dochterman Interactive editor Star Tribune Online Robdoc@startribune.com http://www.startribune.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Creativity is ability led by imagination" --Doug Ferguson ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 11:57:56 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:40:41 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new hh URL Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've finished the imagemap of my '97 haunted yard on my site, http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews . This is the way I'd like to see a virtual haunt, with an overall view (or a series of overall views) with links to the htmls of the various displays. Please let me know what you think. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 13:48:34 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:40:18 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: new hh URL -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Can't wait 'til you get all the pics scanned in! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 14:55:39 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:50:11 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Subscribing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Apparently I was unsubscribed to the halloween list, and I missed all of the messages for the last couple of days. Anything happen? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 16:32:22 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:22:06 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Subscribing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:50 PM 1/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >Apparently I was unsubscribed to the halloween list, and I missed all of >the messages for the last couple of days. Anything happen? >-- >Bob Andrews >bandrews@inreach.com >http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews > Some guy sent in his URL for an amazingly cool, virtual map detailing his home haunt plans. ;) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 17:19:25 1997 From: Jacqueline Young To: "'Bob Andrews'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: new hh URL Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:11:30 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, As always it looks great to me, and the idea certainly sounds good. I don't know if I can be of much help until I actually get a web page, but we'll see. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 17:30:55 1997 From: Jacqueline Young To: "'Bob Andrews'" , "halloween-l@netcom.com" Subject: RE: Subscribing Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:24:09 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well the most important notice came from this guy named Bob Andrews who had updated his web page, great graphics and the music ain't bad either. Maybe if you're really nice he'll give you the URL addres s)......Nice to have you back Bob. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca ---------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 19:32:15 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:27:38 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Subscribing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > At 02:50 PM 1/10/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Apparently I was unsubscribed to the halloween list, and I missed all of > >the messages for the last couple of days. Anything happen? > >-- > >Bob Andrews > >bandrews@inreach.com > >http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews > > > > Some guy sent in his URL for an amazingly cool, virtual map detailing his > home haunt plans. ;) > > Denny Denny and Jacqui, Thank you! I wasn't actually fishing for compliments, but thank you for biting none the less. They just cancelled my project and laid off everyone on my team but me. :-( -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 10 22:01:12 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 18:37:43 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Subscribing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, Keep that job! that must make you really nervous!! Sorry to hear about the rest of the staff. What will you be doing?? Love the page, but you already know that!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 11 10:00:47 1997 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:57:52 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Subscribing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Bob, > Keep that job! that must make you really nervous!! Sorry to hear about > the rest of the staff. What will you be doing?? Love the page, but you > already know that!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Kathy, I'm going to update my resume. This is the third company I've been working at that had lay-offs. It's always the same song, "Now we are stronger and leaner and able to compete in this highly competitive industry". But the truth is "We're on a sinking blimp and we've thrown out all of the ballast and some of the crew and the ground is approaching mighty fast". In the immediate future, I'll be working on the "Amazon" project, whatever that is. I'm glad you like my page! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 11 14:56:33 1997 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 17:48:08 -0500 (EST) From: Domina To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Fangs :)= Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ok, so this is just a bit later than Thanksgiving ... I've been realy busy :) anyway, here are the instructions for the fangs that I promised to send out: Go to a dental supply store. Buy impression material, casting stone, upper inpression trays, foil and cold-cure dental enamel. The enamel comes in a kit that is about $30-40 but you can make approx 40 sets of teeth with it. 2. Got to a drug store and buy cheap acrilic nail brushes (but small painting brushes found in the craft department work jsut as well). Get some disposable cups too. 3. Follow the directions on the impression material to make an impression of your upper jaw. On ours, we had to learn how to convert everything under the sun so have some sort of fluid converter chart handy just in case. With ours, we had to mix alginate with some water and then put it in the impression tray and hold it in our mouths for 1-2 minutes. Be sure you don't use the material if it's too runny! Too much water will make the alginate runny and it will run down your throat. Also be sure the impressio leaves room between the top of your teeth and your lips so you know where the tooth ends and the gums begin. 4. Follow the directions on the casting material to make a cast of your teeth. Mix the lab stone with water but mix it thinner than the instructions say...and try to be careful of air bubbles-they can screw things up. Set the tray with the drying cast in a corner somewhere and leave it alone for 36-48 hours to harden. 5. Once you have a good cast to work from, coat the teeth you want to make teeth off of with the foil. It's a good idea to coat the teeth near them with foil as well. The foil will allow you to take off the fang when you are done building it. Your kit should have some arcylic and some powders. The powders should be light and dark so you can match the color of your teeth. Cut two of the cups so you have a shallow container to work with. Pour in the powders until you get a color that matches the color of your teeth. In the other cup, pour in some of the acrylic. Get the nail brush and dip it in the liquid and then in teh powder to make the fang substance. Now, I'll give you the instructions that I was given: After the tooth you want is covered with a good coating, follow the directions on the enamel and ball it up to form the main part of the fang. Stick this on over the tooth and shape it how you want it. If you put too much on, you can use cuticle nippers to cut the fang to a point later. Then paint a few coats on with the brush so it is really smooth. NOW, I'll tell you what I did and how it worked: First, we quickly found out that acrylic is omehow related to superglue. When you get it on your skin - it doesn't come off. The comination of acrylic and powder results in a sticky gooey mess that gets out of control easily. Any of you who bake can relate when your cookie dough needs more flour - you can't do anything with it. What I reccomend is to dip the rush in acrylic and then get a good gob of powder on the end of it and put it on the tooth to use as the body. Don't try to ball it up unless you coat your fingers with acrylic first. aAnd good luck getting it off afterwards. I suppose you could use gloves, we tried but I thought it was too awkward. It's easiest when you have two people working, as teh acrylic hardens fast. Have one person dipping the acrylic in teh powder and making the material and the other person taking the material and using it to mold the tooth - using the brush. It takes a little while but I was quite pleased with the way the fangs turned out after I sculpted them, rather than balling them up. It IS possible to mold a sharp point before having to use cuticle nippers. And I agree that you should paint on a few coatrs of acrylic on the fang afterwards to amke it smoother. Have the person doing the dipping go get a cupfull of ice cold water as you're putting on the last few coats. Give the fang a few seconds to harden (remember if you try to grab the tooth before it dries soem - it will be sticky unless you coat your finger with acrylic) you also don't want to grab it too soon and mess up the shape of it. Pull the fang off gently and drop it in the cold water to let it ocmpletely harden. I reccommend keeping them in water for a few days. Ours seemed to get harder when we did that. DO NOT use running water or leave the fang on the cast while putting it in water! 6. If you want that Anne Rice look, cover your canine and the tooth behind it. Make the crease by running a toothpick down the line between teeth every time you add enamel. 7. Always make sure you put enough on the back of the tooth to give it soem support. This is where most of your adhesive will be so don't be too stingy! 8. Use white denture adhesive because the pink ones will show through. My fangs are so well-fit to my teeth that I don't need adhesive - sometimes I even have to pull a bit to get my fangs off :)= Let me know if you have any questions or tips :) Domina From owner-xmas-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 11 16:34:00 1997 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 19:27:11 -0500 (EST) From: Donna To: Michael Marcrum Subject: Re: Christmas Trees Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Kathy, that short elf, wrote: > I can hear you now!! No trees, to late. I have to tell you what I did > this year for a outside tree and it was wonderful. I saw the tree's two > years ago in the windows of houses down on the Marina in San Franscio. > People had taken their trees, dried them out over the year, removed all > the needles, and painted them white. So last year I saved my tree, > removed all the needles, and painted it white. Then I added some gold > glitter to give it a sparkle. We bought white lights with the white > cords and put them on the tree, then we added the white irradecant > rain!! We put the tree out in front. And at night it looked just like a > tree out in the snow!! We are saving this years tree so we can have two > out front next year!! Just a idea for those of you who have your trees > out by the garbage!!! Kathy, why not have the trees do double (triple?) duty -- paint them black to use on Halloween, then in November repaint them white for Christmas.... Donna ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 11 16:36:52 1997 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 19:27:11 -0500 (EST) From: Donna To: Michael Marcrum Subject: Re: Christmas Trees Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Kathy, that short elf, wrote: > I can hear you now!! No trees, to late. I have to tell you what I did > this year for a outside tree and it was wonderful. I saw the tree's two > years ago in the windows of houses down on the Marina in San Franscio. > People had taken their trees, dried them out over the year, removed all > the needles, and painted them white. So last year I saved my tree, > removed all the needles, and painted it white. Then I added some gold > glitter to give it a sparkle. We bought white lights with the white > cords and put them on the tree, then we added the white irradecant > rain!! We put the tree out in front. And at night it looked just like a > tree out in the snow!! We are saving this years tree so we can have two > out front next year!! Just a idea for those of you who have your trees > out by the garbage!!! Kathy, why not have the trees do double (triple?) duty -- paint them black to use on Halloween, then in November repaint them white for Christmas.... Donna ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 11 19:17:13 1997 From: Jacqueline Young To: "'Bob Andrews'" , "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: Subscribing Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 21:41:18 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Other than being really scared that I think like Denny, I'm busy sympathizing with you over the lay offs, it's never nice to watch friends lose their jobs and then there's always the who's next worry. My husband is going through much the same thing right now. I'll tell you what I tell him. If you can't change it try not to sweat it! Really helpful (odd that's what he says!). Cheer up Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca Denny and Jacqui, Thank you! I wasn't actually fishing for compliments, but thank you for biting none the less. They just cancelled my project and laid off everyone on my team but me. :-( -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Jan 12 08:36:05 1997 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:28:31 -0600 From: Dave Hediger To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: iron maided Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone know how tall an "iron maiden" is supposed to be? I built one out of wood like they do in the Secrets of the Haunted Mansion video but they don't tell you how tall it is supposed to be. I assumed that it was 8' since they didn't mention cutting the luan to any certain length. It looked pretty cool until I put a skeleton inside of it then it looked way out of proportion. I'd like to build one (using the same method) out of steel but I can't find any information anywhere on the net pertaining to this type of torture device. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Jan 12 10:04:22 1997 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:00:19 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: iron maided Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Hediger wrote: > > Does anyone know how tall an "iron maiden" is supposed to be? > > I built one out of wood like they do in the Secrets of the Haunted > Mansion video but they don't tell you how tall it is supposed to be. I > assumed that it was 8' since they didn't mention cutting the luan to any > certain length. > > It looked pretty cool until I put a skeleton inside of it then it looked > way out of proportion. > > I'd like to build one (using the same method) out of steel but I can't > find any information anywhere on the net pertaining to this type of > torture device. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! Dave, I've got that video too. What they call an Iron Maiden is really a hanging cage. I assume they made them tall enough to fit people of that time. Since you have the skeleton that will occupy the cage, why not measure the skeleton, and add ~6" for your height and adjust the other measurements accordingly. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Jan 12 12:34:38 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:29:06 -0700 Subject: iron maided To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave, some Mideivil Times plavces show one in their torture chamber scenarios. Figure that it should be barely above the head of the victum, so if we assume a typical 6 footer person, some 6 foot 3 inches would do the trick. Figure your skeleton, then put 2 inches above his head, and an inch thick of steel (or wood or whatever).... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Jan 12 15:17:31 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:12:48 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: Donna Subject: Re: Christmas Trees Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Donna, Great Idea!!! I like it!! We are going to have a werewolf in the forest so we could use the trees for the feeling of dead trees!!! Kathy Santa's shorest elf!! mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-xmas-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Jan 12 15:18:13 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:12:48 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: Donna Subject: Re: Christmas Trees Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com Donna, Great Idea!!! I like it!! We are going to have a werewolf in the forest so we could use the trees for the feeling of dead trees!!! Kathy Santa's shorest elf!! mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Jan 13 16:51:23 1997 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 13:43:54 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Helloooooo Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Gang, I have not seen any mail from anyone on this list for three days. So either I am not here anymore, or you all became really quiet... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Jan 13 17:39:22 1997 From: "David Janoskie" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:34:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Helloooooo [Banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 13:43:54 -0800 > From: Michael Marcrum > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Helloooooo > Reply-to: halloween-l@netcom.com > Hey Gang, > I have not seen any mail from anyone on this list for three days. So > either I am not here anymore, or you all became really quiet... > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > Yes, I've been wondering about that myself. It's sort of like when you are suddenly one of the few living humans left in the world overrun by : aliens, vampires, giant bunnies (pick one) that you see in the horror and sci-fi movies. Like the first twilight zone episode: " Where IS everybody?" **************************************************** David Janoskie djan@erols.com "I spend all day Monday trying to remember what I do here, and all day Friday trying to forget." From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Jan 13 23:12:50 1997 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:24:59 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Helloooooo Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:43 PM 1/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey Gang, > I have not seen any mail from anyone on this list for three days. So >either I am not here anymore, or you all became really quiet... >Kathy Na, were are all brain eating zombies waiting for you to figure out the plot of: "Am I the ONLY one left?".. Then pounce.. Muahahahahaa. And I'm dabbling on some easy projects that can be done "hardware store" style for everyone:) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 04:05:22 1997 From: DOKK%mimi@magic.itg.ti.com Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 05:57:48 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Low-Tech Creepy room Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: dokk@msg.ti.com Subj: Low-Tech Creepy room What's that light? Can it be? Yes it is a UFO....(Unusually Freaky Object) It is landing The door is opening..... Oh NO!!!!!! Their Giant Alien Vampire Bunnies.....(So that's why there hasn't been much traffic on the list lately). The Bunnies got everyone. Ok here's a low tech room designed to give you the willies... :-) In a darkened hallway on the walls and ceilings a bunch of roaches are seen. The hall gets darker as you go farther. you hear the sound of scurring bugs and hear the crunch underfoot. Bugs fall from the ceiling on to you. How to do this you ask? Well here's one way. Put fake roaches on the walls and ceilings. As the hall gets darker there is captain crunch cereal on the floor for the crunching sound. drop the captain crunch cereal onto the heads of people as they walk by. Should give everyone the willies..Not a big scare. Just make them wonder. Keith From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 04:20:24 1997 From: Jacqui Young To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Michael Marcrum'" Subject: RE: Helloooooo Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:14:53 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Speaking for myself, I've been recovering from multiple colds and flu's. Leaves me sleeping a lot, but when I'm awake I'm planning. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca ---------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 06:21:11 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:06:52 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Low-Tech Creepy room Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:57 AM 1/14/97 CST, you wrote: >Ok here's a low tech room designed to give you the willies... :-) > >In a darkened hallway on the walls and ceilings a bunch of roaches are seen. >The hall gets darker as you go farther. you hear the sound of >scurring bugs and hear the crunch underfoot. Bugs fall from the ceiling >on to you. How to do this you ask? Well here's one way. > >Put fake roaches on the walls and ceilings. As the hall gets darker there >is captain crunch cereal on the floor for the crunching sound. drop the >captain crunch cereal onto the heads of people as they walk by. > >Should give everyone the willies..Not a big scare. Just make them wonder. > >Keith After a few days, the Captain Crunch on the floor will attract real roaches and you'll be able to get rid of the fake ones. ;) Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 06:29:57 1997 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 03:21:54 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Helloooooo [Banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes David, Perfect thought!! The twilight zone was wonderful. Now if a haunt could get that kind of feeling....all the mental twists!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 06:40:19 1997 To: halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 14 Jan 97 9:34:41 EDT Subject: [HAL] Hearse scares'em good Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Alright.... which one of us was responsible for this one??? ;-) *** British couple shocked as mail arrives in hearse Britain's Royal Mail has apologized to a sick, elderly couple who were shocked and upset when a postman delivered their mail in a hearse. Christine Thornton, 65, and her husband Gordon, 72, suffer from a variety of illnesses and could hardly believe their eyes when a letter from their surgeon arrived in the black hearse. A spokesman apologized for any distress caused to the couple and said it had been an exceptionally busy day and the postman, who owns a hearse, was working overtime and delivered the mail in his vehicle. Come on now.. own up! ;-) -W William Rompala From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 06:47:24 1997 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:42:09 -0800 From: "Sherri (Ozzy)" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Low tech and Helloooooo Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just trying to thaw out the old brain, too cold here, my fingers keep sticking to the keyboard.... I really like the roach idea. One of the tings we have done that seemed to freak out people the most was similar to that. Fill a rom with all sorts of spiders everywhere; then use heavy thred and attach it to the ceiling - just long enough to hit the average person in the face. Great spider webs..... Simple but effective!!!!!!! -- Sherri(IzZy,oOzY,OzZy) ~ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7997/ Frozen Minnesota, USA ~ c-n-s.ozzy@Worldnet.att.net ~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. ~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 09:45:07 1997 From: Davis_Karen To: "'halloween-l'" Subject: FW: Bimbo Handling 101 (BANTER) -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:38:42 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >It was the other Karen I was thinking of, >but this Karen said it all! :-) > ...sorry, i was off thurs and fri due to the fact that i fall down and break things on dry pavement...i don't even think of going out in snow and ice... ....and i gotta agree with both dusty (aaargh...lauren) and karen p.... ...another thought that crosses my mind regarding this issue is 'good will'...from my days of running a convention, i learned that good will costs very little to engender, and the returns are enormous...for example...we used to invite a number of writers, who were given badges with a ribbon that said 'guest'...at one con, one of the spouses (spice???) of a writer mentioned that the problem with the fans was that they tended to run over her and the kids to get to him...the next year, i saw to it that the 'spice' or sig. other got a ribbon on her/his badge that said 'guest' so that they would be treated better by the fans...these ribbons cost 25 cents each, and we used a about ten additional ribbons to do this...but...in subsequent years, we had writers who were willing to accept a smaller fee, less in expenses, and do more at the con.... ...if the three most important concepts in real estate are 'location' 'location' 'location'...the three most important concepts in business should be 'good will' 'good will' 'good will'... >karend From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 12:18:14 1997 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:58:21 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Helloooooo Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Hey Gang, > I have not seen any mail from anyone on this list for three days. So >either I am not here anymore, or you all became really quiet... >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Sorry, all. I have been reading and lurking but not writing! I am still here! Still trying to post some pics of our party this year. BUT, I have inherited a second job function at work, so my time is dear. I'll try and write something more useful soon. Oh yes, you N. Californian spooks, when do we get together to share horror stories? Richard Hill Information Systems Manager Office Phone: (916) 757-3002 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 757-3010 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu Until May 1997, I'm also Interim Computer Shop Manager Office Phone: (916) 752-6391 UCD Bookstore FAX: (916) 752-2206 UC Davis E-Mail: rrhill@ucdavis.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 13:17:06 1997 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:49:29 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Helloooooo -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yeah, where are you guys? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Jan 14 20:54:04 1997 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:41:37 -0400 From: Jason R To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Attn all, for those who know who I am.. Please BUY A BACKUP DRIVE NOW!. Just got got my computer back up and running after 5 days of pure hell... If only I had backed up the drive. Well!. I have now re-formatted and bought a ZIP! drive to back-up with. So,everyone learn from my mistakes.. Back up often! Jay From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 15 10:18:09 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Wood To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Iomega Ditto tape drive is actually better for system backups than the Zip drive is. The Zip drive may work fine though if you only want to backup a part of your hard drive and not the whole thing. Nathan woodn@lbcc.cc.or.us sargon9271@aol.com ************************************************************************ "Organ transplants are best left to professionals." Bart Simpson Chalkboard exercises that Bart writes during the opening credits. ************************************************************************ On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Jason R wrote: > Attn all, for those who know who I am.. Please BUY A BACKUP DRIVE > NOW!. > > Just got got my computer back up and running after 5 days of pure > hell... If only I had backed up the drive. > > Well!. I have now re-formatted and bought a ZIP! drive to back-up > with. So,everyone learn from my mistakes.. Back up often! > > Jay > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 15 15:51:48 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:45:07 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >The Iomega Ditto tape drive is actually better for system backups than >the Zip drive is. The Zip drive may work fine though if you only want to >backup a part of your hard drive and not the whole thing. > >Nathan > >woodn@lbcc.cc.or.us >sargon9271@aol.com Your right there, I am really going to use it to only back up part of the drive. Stuff like the files for my Website, Disney stuff and such. Programs and the like I have the master disks for so that is no big deal. Same with the system itself, it is on a cd so re-install is easy to do. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 15 21:40:17 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:37:08 -0700 Subject: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I use a Bernoulli to back up. Lost 1 gig worth of stuph one time when I was helping a friend's hard drive, and reformatted mine myself (red faced)... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 15 22:07:34 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:28:23 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Linda Bills Subject: Re: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:41 AM 1/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >The Iomega Ditto tape drive is actually better for system backups than >the Zip drive is. The Zip drive may work fine though if you only want to >backup a part of your hard drive and not the whole thing. > >Nathan > That's what I was gonna say - beat me too it. I backed up my system on something similar to the Zip drive (the Syquest Ezflyer) and after my 'crash' the computer wouldn't recognize my drive or anything I had on it. I had to go through many hours of reinstalling stuff before I could finally use my Syquest drive on anything. Linda From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 16 03:21:39 1997 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 06:14:10 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:41 AM 1/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >The Iomega Ditto tape drive is actually better for system backups than >the Zip drive is. The Zip drive may work fine though if you only want to >backup a part of your hard drive and not the whole thing. > >Nathan Ahh, but the ultimate would be the Jaz drive. Over a Gig, and with the SCSI interface it can even be used as a Hard Drive. I'm dreamin' though, cause I can't afford the $400 (plus SCSI card) right now. Bill From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 16 16:52:12 1997 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:44:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Nathan Kahn Subject: Re: Computer Problems {Read if you know me.} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >That's what I was gonna say - beat me too it. I backed up my system on >something similar to the Zip drive (the Syquest Ezflyer) and after my >'crash' the computer wouldn't recognize my drive or anything I had on it. I >had to go through many hours of reinstalling stuff before I could finally >use my Syquest drive on anything. OK you don't say what operating system you are using, but can't you make a boot disk with the necessary files to get your dip drive going? :Nathan Nathan Kahn / Theatre Effects From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 17 14:11:17 1997 From: Jacqueline Young To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Change of email address Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:04:09 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If anyone cares, maybe someone who's compiling a list of addresses. I'm unsubscribing from this account and will now be at jyoung@idirect.com Sorry for any inconvenience. Jacqui jyoung@idirect.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 17 21:36:57 1997 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:35:48 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: greetings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well its time for me to come out of the closet. I have been subscribed to this list for several weeks now and have yet to post anything. But in all fairness it has taken me this long to read through the vast archives. Allow me to introduce my- self, I am the invisible man . Seriously though my name is J.D. and I am the producer of a quasi-professional haunted house in central ILL. Since I've gotten so much valuable information from this list already, I feel I owe you guys any information I can contribute. I am interested in all aspects of halloween, not just haunted houses, and I think that some of the ideas we have used in our house would work well in "home haunts". I apologize if this is too long and please exuse me if there are errors but I can't type worth a squat and this is probably only the fourth e-mail I've ever sent. J.D. jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 17 23:21:40 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:17:04 -0800 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: greetings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > Seriously though my name is J.D. and I am the producer of a > quasi-professional haunted house in central ILL. Hi, J.D.! Welcome to the list. Central IL, you say? We may be semi-neighbors. I'm in Olney, home of the albino squirrels. (Now that's something *really* scarey!) Ever heard of it? We're glad to have you on board. So... why don't you tell us about your "quasi-professional" haunt? Details... we want details! (Please?) Regards, DJ, who's glad to know she's not the only ghoul in the state From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 08:52:25 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:37:56 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: greetings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Welcome J.D.! Worried about typoing errrorss!! nott woth this grop!! Just kidding, we are not the type of people to worry about typing errors. And long posts are not a problem. Tell us more about your haunt and some of the things that you are into! We will absorb any knowledge you can feed us! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 08:53:41 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:39:27 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: greetings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK DJ and JD, does that make you a Ghoulish State!! sorry had to be done. the crypt From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 08:55:01 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:42:25 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Member List Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, everyone! The request for information for the member listing has now been sent to every person who was a list subscriber as of 1996. In the next few days, I'll pick up the new people and will try to have a file for email ready by the end of the month. With all the inclement weather blowing through various parts of the country, I hope that everyone in the group is safe and reasonably comfortable. Be well, Greg in Vista T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 17:45:22 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:39:57 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: details Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com DJ and Kathy thanx for the welcome. In response to DJ, I live in Bloomington, insurance capital of America. In response to Kathy and anybody else whose interested, I have some knowledge about wiring, plumbing, woodworking, carpentry, (one of my jobs is an old house renovator) and running a haunted house:designing, building, marketing, managing and especially safety and code compliance (my other job is a campus cop). As a producer, my main job is gathering people with "real talent" to do the "real" work in bringing together our haunt. The name of our haunted attraction is "Creatures Crypt". I refer to it as a "quasi-professional" haunt because 1) It's professional in the sense that we have professional light and sound technicians who help design our sets, our artwork,IMHO, is first class and technically we are "for profit". 2) I refer to it as "quasi" because alhough our tech- nicians are professional they are not specialist in the haunted house nor any kind of "attraction" field, (although I would stack my guys up against any of the "real professional haunts" any day), 90% of my actors on any given night come from charitable groups who receive a portion of every ticket sold, and lastly, even though we are for profit, we have yet to make any money (in fact we lost money this year). However we are not "really" in this for the money. I guess its like any artist or craft person who sells their art at fairs or the mechanic who restores vintage autos, sure they would'nt made making a buck, but the real reason they do it is because they love what they do. That's pretty much how we feel. We would rather design and build a haunt that we would enjoy than sacrifice quality for profit. O.K. I've rambled enough, as to details I need to know if you want the short version (just the facts:room designs,decriptions etc.) or the long version (as if this isn't long enough!). The long version would include some personal history and some of my philosophical perspectives on haunted houses. BTW, I listed earlier what I do know a little about, what I don't have a clue on is anything mechanical,electronic,or computers so please accept my ignorance if I ask a dumb question or two in the future. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu note: I only have access to a computer on wed-sat so please bear with me if I don't get back to someone for a few days. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 18:14:29 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:36:13 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: bodies Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JD and Ghouls, One of the things we have problems with every year is finding bodies to work in the haunt. Family and Friends start running from us starting in August. I was thinking about going to the local high school this year and seeing if the drama class and art classes would like to get envolved. Has anyone else on the list tried this at any time!! I really need bodies this year to pull off the our theme. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 18:54:10 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:46:14 -0800 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: bodies Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > JD and Ghouls, > One of the things we have problems with every year is finding bodies > to work in the haunt. Kathy, that's really a problem I can empathize with! It's always one of our biggest headaches. However, several years ago we decided to make our display even bigger and ask for donations for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. (We pay all expenses; all donations go to St. Jude's.) Since we started doing that, it's been a bit easier to draft help. After all, who can say no to such a worthwhile cause? And, best of all, we've done pretty well raising money. Last year it was almost $900. This year we're hoping to break the thousand mark. You might want to give it some thought. And, if you do consider a charity, I hope you'll remember what good works St. Jude's does. (Sorry, couldn't resist the plug.) Regards, DJ, who really loves seeing some good come from her haunt From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 18:57:56 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:51:16 -0800 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: details Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > O.K. I've rambled enough, as to details I need to know if you want the > short version (just the facts:room designs,decriptions etc.) or the long > version (as if this isn't long enough!). Well, I for one would like to hear it all. Why not fill us in as you find the time? No rush, of course. Or you could just skim over the bare facts and then let us all bombard you with questions. Come to think of it, you might find the first option easier. We're a curious bunch, you know. DJ, who always was a greedy ghoul when it came to new ideas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 18:59:02 1997 From: Jacqueline Young To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Coffins Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:48:27 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay guys, I'm about to commission a coffin for my husband, how do I go about measuring him for it and does anyone have any recommendations on how strong the wood should be and what shape I should be looking at. I'm trying for the first time in my life to prepare and budge (scary word that) well in advance. Besides other than freezing there isn't much else to do up here. Jacqui jyoung@idirect.com P.S. Welcome DJ or is the JD, boy and I thought two Dennys was tough! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Jan 18 19:02:52 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:53:32 -0800 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: bodies Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > JD and Ghouls, > One of the things we have problems with every year is finding bodies > to work in the haunt. Family and Friends start running from us starting > in August. I was thinking about going to the local high school this year > and seeing if the drama class and art classes would like to get > envolved. Has anyone else on the list tried this at any time!! I really > need bodies this year to pull off the our theme. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Many, many years ago, one of our local community colleges in So. Cal. used to do a decent haunt. The drama dept. handled it and it was always a big, fun thing with them and they got a lot of people. (Don't know if they still do) Do you have a college in your area? Absolutely nothing against high-schoolers, but college age may (?) be more mature or able to stay up later on a school night! (for practice, set-up, etc) Or even have more creative ideas. I would think that using either group would bring you more exposure in their respective circles and increase your haunt attendance. And quite possibly, if you're lucky, more volunteers lining up to help you the next year. Can't hurt to ask around or put in ad in school papers. (put the word volunteer in big