in the set design was amazing and the actors were first rate.You could- n't help that you were witnessing the "real thing".There were no startles, no illusions,not much gore but it still left you feeling "scared". >Good acting I consider paramount to any of the classes...... True.Great acting is a plus if you can get it.However if a lot of your actors are volunteers you have to work with what you have.It doesn't take a whole lot of acting ability to put on a costume a pop out of a hidden corner just a good set of lungs.But if your going to have a scene like I described above bad acting will be totally ineffective JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 29 18:30:48 1997 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:23:41 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: details Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sun Jan 26 Alan wrote, >What did you use for your swamp dragon and how did it operate?? What did you make the 15' skull out of? The swamp dragon was by no means an aniomatronic but our "low tech" creature was still pretty effective.We started with a large dragon mask(Don Post?).We then carved a upper torso with arms out of styro- foam.For details,such as scales,we used a dremel tool.On top of the torso we mounted a 3" cube speaker(the kind used for computer multi- media systems) and this was covered with the mask.The body was then mounted on an I.V. castor stand for mobility.The bottom half was con- cealed by plastic plants.The rest of the sound system consisted of a subwoofer that we mounted under the bridge and a boom box with remote that contained a self looping tape of a dinosaur roaring.The "operator" would hide within the plants and when a group came by they would simply hit the play/pause botton on the remote and roll the dragon out of its hiding place.The little speaker gave us some surprisingly good results and the placement made seem as if it were actually coming from the dragon. As for the skull,this was carved out of laminated sheets of styrofoam. Actually both the dragon and skull were created by my partner,Dana who has the real talent in this area. >What did you use for the voice amplifier? It is a commercially available product called a chatter box.Cost? About $1500.00 Ouch! But it wasn't my money so I can't complain.It's a pretty neat gizmo though.It not only amplifies but it can also distort your voice. >Did you buy the box from Distortions or did you make one of your own? I only wish I had that kind of money!$11,000 double ouch!No we made our own.It was simply an actor in the box.Since this was simply a diversion for the real scare we didn't want to spend a whole bunch of money on it. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Jan 29 19:49:21 1997 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:46:39 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: Firey Grave (Was Re:my halloween home page) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I was wondering, how did you do your firey grave?? (Where I'm going, its >sure to be hot, etc..) > >Thanx Ahead Of Time.. The firey grave was created with the use of a custom welded gas pipe (similar to the kind that is used in gas fireplace starters.) I had a 3' X 6' rectangular section of pipe welded and drilled with evenly spaced holes. Ventri were integrated into the pipe assembly at each end. Propane hoses were connected to the two ventri, and routed to a propane tank that is hidden in the miniature moseleum (behind the grave). The hoses were buried under the dirt to hide their existance. For the rocks, I went to a local stone materials yard, where they generously allowed me to help myself to all the rocks I wanted, from their scrap pile, for free. I had to use a sledgehammer to break up some of the rocks, but it worked out fairly well. Then I took the rocks and carefully piled them up over the gas pipe, and ventri. The toumbstone is made of poured concrete. It is extremely HEAVY! However, I wanted to make sure that it would not be made of anything that might melt or go up in flames. The granite texture was applied with Fleck-Coat spray, and the epitath was simply hand painted over the stone. Since the graveyard is actually my driveway covered with about 2" - 3" of dirt, I had to have a brace welded to support the toumbstone, so that it would not fall over. To light the grave, I simply turned on the flow of propane (using an inline flow regulator) and torched it with a long BBQ lighther. I just got the web site up this past weekend, but I will try to get some photographs of the pipe assembly up on it in the near future. Barry Wulfe http://www.txdirect.net/users/bwulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 30 09:43:42 1997 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:08:58 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Details Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JD wrote: >As for the skull,this was carved out of laminated sheets of >styrofoam. Hi JD! Wow, sounds pretty cool! Can you tell me about your foam? Sheet size, suppliers, costs? I am having trouble locating large enough sheets for the facade I want to build. Any suggestions ( from anyone on the list ) would be *much* appreciated. TIA Steve Kirkman Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 30 11:28:08 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:20:53 -0600 From: "Sherri (Ozzy)" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: My Halloween Home Page Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Barry- Great Pictures... I really need to think about getting mine developed.... -- Sherri(IzZy,oOzY,OzZy) ~ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7997/ Frozen Minnesota, USA ~ c-n-s.ozzy@Worldnet.att.net ~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* "How come it is easy to wait for 3 hours for a fish to bite, but it is so hard to wait for 2 minutes at a stop light?" ~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 30 12:59:11 1997 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:07:43 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Details Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Steve, I had to get something at TAP plastics the other day and I noticed that they had some closed cell styrafoam in large sheets. I asked about it and they said that they carry all thicknesses and sheets up to 4x8! And the price was not to bad if I remember. So if you need the stonger stuff you might call the. And the good thing is they will cut it to order!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 30 16:18:00 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:07:43 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: foam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Steve, We use the 4x8 sheets of styrofoam found in your local lumber yards.We glue the sheets together with liquid nails to the desired thickness.To save on costs when we have a very thick laminate(our skull was over 3' thick) we only use closed cell styrofoam(polyisocyanurate-usually it is pink or blue) on the outside and use regular styro- foam (which is about half the cost) on the inside,creating a sandwich of sorts.Closed cell foam is much easier to carve and takes paint really well which is why you want it on the outer surfaces JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Jan 30 22:37:43 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: foam Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:24:35 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC0F0D.3DCF0460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings All! First of all, I would like to say that I am relatively new to the = Halloween scene. I've been around this mailing list for awhile, I've = just kept real quiet! Anyways, this is the first year that I am = planning on going commercial with my haunt. I have been doing the = neighborhood haunt for the past five years and enjoyed it thoroughly. = I'm still debating doing it just one more time and then going = commercial, but I am still undecided.. Anyways, I would like to thank = all of you for the great ideas you are posting here on the web and would = like to ask something of all of you. =20 I would like to compile a book of ideas/guidelines for haunted houses. = Halloween is a growing holiday and it seems more of these houses appear = in my neighborhood each year. When I started, it started out on my = front porch with a sheet of Visqueen plastic. Although it was very = dangerous, it was a lot of fun. The point I'm getting at is that I = would like to create a book for anyone who is planning on starting a = haunted house. I would like to be able to quote people that posted = ideas, etc from this mailing list. Is there anyone here that has a = problem with this or doesn't think it's a good idea? Anyone who's work = is included in the book will get a complimentary copy (just to say = thanks). =20 You can reach me at mgarza4@bayou.uh.edu if you have any comments, = questions, or anything. Thanks and I hope to hear from some of you = soon! 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The company I work for, Theatrix Interactive, is going to take a bunch of pictures of the skeleton and incorporate it into one of its upcoming edutainment math games. The players can pick the character they play in the game, and one choice will be the skeleton. Too cool! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 31 14:24:06 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:44:42 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:23 AM 1/31/97 -0800, you wrote: >I just bought a skeleton kit from Denny's BT Productions, and now it >will be part of a nationally available computer game. The company I >work for, Theatrix Interactive, is going to take a bunch of pictures of >the skeleton and incorporate it into one of its upcoming edutainment >math games. The players can pick the character they play in the game, >and one choice will be the skeleton. Too cool! > ...and you thought I was kidding when I said they'd give him a job if you took him to work. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 31 15:14:01 1997 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:09:52 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > ...and you thought I was kidding when I said they'd give him a job if you > took him to work. > > Denny I'm his agent. I want 20% off the top. (I guess that would be the skull) -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 31 16:36:43 1997 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:35:37 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: foam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com One important point that I failed to include in the use of styrofoam is its potential fire hazard.Although it is not extremely flammable,if styrofoam does catch on fire it will produce an intense heat and the the dense smoke produced also contains toxic fumes.In fact it is against national fire codes to use styrofoam (untreated) in a haunt that is open to the public in most situations.According to code,styrofoam cannot be used as a finished wall or ceiling and its use is limited to no more than 10% of your total prop material (exposed).This is the code in the case of indoor haunts. So how do we get away with using so much foam? By treating it with an approved flameproofing material.The best material that we have found is a product called Foamcoat,manufactured by Rosco. It not only provides fire protection,but will make your foam props weatherproof (it is water-resistant) and much more durable. In fact the manufacture claims styrofoam treated with Foamcoat can even be walked on (we tested this claim and can testify that it did hold up for a while but I wouldn't recommend it for heavy traffic areas).This product was tested by our fire department and it passed with flying colors.It is not exactly cheap (about $30.00 for a 2 gallon bucket) but it is a must in terms of safety.This would also be a great way to help preserve some of the elaborate tombstones,props,etc. that many on this list have created for their home haunts.I'm not sure if John or Denny carry the Rosco line of products (check with them first-support the list members!) but if not almost any theatrical supply store will have it.(perhaps Nathan's company might carry it) Sorry for the long post but I feel that safety is something that should never be overlooked. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 31 17:11:03 1997 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 20:25:28 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: foam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Good stuff cut out) > Sorry for the long post but I feel that safety is something that >should never be overlooked. > JD >jdolan@titan.iwu.edu > One can never be a "wind-bag" when it comes to public safety:) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Jan 31 21:21:39 1997 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:13:40 -0600 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: halloween ASCII Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello all, Been quiet for to long now (lots of stuff going on around the old homestead lately...we bought our first home (its perfect for halloween, and has a giant workshop), I had a car wreck coming home from the closing, been off work for a month so far :( If someone wants an idea for a scary room why not try a phisical therapy room!!! Lots of screams and pain, and you can reuse the props from the dungen :) The reason I wrote was to pass along this ascii art thought the group would get a kick out of it, pluss it would make a good sig file. Later Jimmy '. `~~`~`~~^`~~`~^~^`~~`~~`~^~`. .` / `> ' . ' ". _ '-"` . ` ' . | . ' / .' ,'~^~^~^`^~~^`^~`~~~^~~~^; ' ' | .-' \ ` : ` . "| /| : | . | | / | ' " | __.--~\ | | : . | `~--.__/ | . ' | \ | .' | ' "| \_| . _ .| _.-") / \______// |.-"_.-" / \___/_ \ | .|.-" / | /\/ /" | / | ./ / | _.( |_ \__/ ' '| __ _.-"_.-\ /_ \: | . | _.=~\ _\.-"_.-' ) \ \=\ .' | _.=~_.=~\\.-\-" / | \=\__ | | .=~_.=~_\\_/ \ ( \___\ '| =~_.=~_.=` \___) | . | ~_.=~ | ' " '| | . " | ' .| '-"_'"-'_"'-_'"-_''_"-"-_"-\ \/' ' . '`\/"/- '"-_-"'_ -_ --"-"_jgs_""-_'"--"'_-"-'\\/.\\' / /".\,//\//'-"-_'"-"'_ -"-'_-"_-"-_"-"'_'-"-"_``"-`"_`'""-`''""'-_'"-"-_"'"- -joan -- BTW: their was some talk a while back about anyone on chat lines, I just put up a java chat on the homepage...come by sometime. -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 08:29:03 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:01:35 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, Good Going, now we will never be able to fit Denny on this list!!! His head is going to swell!!! Boy of course you are going to send Denny a copy of the game to autograph!!! Denny we are not worthy!! Kathy is now bowing!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 09:03:21 1997 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 08:56:35 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Hey Bob, > Good Going, now we will never be able to fit Denny on this list!!! His > head is going to swell!!! Boy of course you are going to send Denny a > copy of the game to autograph!!! Denny we are not worthy!! Kathy is now > bowing!!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com The part of the game I'm working on takes place in a dungeon, with coffins, witches' cauldrons, Mad scientist equipment, lightning and a raven. I wonder why they gave me that part to do.... -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 09:09:37 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:42:07 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: welcome back Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello Brandts, I was starting to wonder what happened to you guys!! How are you doing?? Since you have been off work for that long you must be really hurt...are you going to be OK? There was a post awhile back about a page that someone has where they make gocarts and vehicles out of coffins!! I know someone on this group will have the URL about it!! I know you would just love it!! Take care, we don't want any parts of you for props!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 09:20:24 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:53:06 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, could it be because you might be twisted and demented and just plain depraived!?!?!?! Or just because you are such a nice all around guy...you make the call!! ;-) hubby wants to know if you need someone to test the game when you are done making it??? Kids they never grow up, Thank God!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 10:08:07 1997 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 09:57:48 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Bob, > could it be because you might be twisted and demented and just plain > depraived!?!?!?! Or just because you are such a nice all around > guy...you make the call!! ;-) It's probably because in the aftermath of the layoff, I'm the only one in the building that knows how to turn on the computer! > hubby wants to know if you need someone to > test the game when you are done making it??? Kids they never grow up, > Thank God!!! Tell your husband to call Theatrix Interactive at: (510) 658-2800 and tell them you want beta test the game Bob Andrews is working on. It doesn't have a real name yet, but its in-house name is "Amazon" (don't ask me why!) -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 10:13:41 1997 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 13:26:39 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: halloween ASCII-banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I hope it wasn't in the Hearse:) Speaking of Hearses, I found a wild site called "The Grimm Riders". I think it was mentioned here before, but with my mind ya never know!:) (Maybe Jimmy mentioned it??) I'll pull the URL if requested, but I found it in YAHOO: HEARSE. They are mostly in CA. but welcome people from all over. But I live the artwork, brought back memories of that thing! :) Well, back to it. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 11:01:26 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 12:46:20 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:01 AM 1/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey Bob, > Good Going, now we will never be able to fit Denny on this list!!! His >head is going to swell!!! Thanks Kathy, but I just sold the darn thing, Bob did all the work. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 12:30:55 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 05:02:35 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, I am going to call them on Monday when they are open and tell them. Mike loves playing these games and would love to play!! Thanks for the info Kathy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 16:11:33 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 16:01:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Skeleton fame To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Finally, a Halloween game with someone who loves Hallowen. I was bummed that one time I took the producer of 7th Guest over to the Knotts Haunt, and all he was in for was the coasters. Granted that he's an ACEr now, but still :) (he's a pretty kewl dude, though). [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 16:52:44 1997 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 16:45:42 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Skeleton fame Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Finally, a Halloween game with someone who loves Hallowen. I was bummed > that one time I took the producer of 7th Guest over to the Knotts Haunt, > and all he was in for was the coasters. Granted that he's an ACEr now, > but still :) (he's a pretty kewl dude, though). > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] Harry, Bear in mind that this is an *edutainment* math game. There won't be any spurting blood or flying limbs. Not without a secret code, anyway... ;-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 1 17:33:52 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 17:23:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Skeleton fame To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sigh. Edutainment. Ah well, I got comfort in having THE world's grossest arcade game in my house, a game which makes any fighting games such as Mortal Kombat look like Bambi. (the game is called Chiller, and if you ever seen it you will agree)... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Feb 2 11:10:11 1997 Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 10:49:24 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: awards Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My web page just won another award! The "Cool Site of the Week" by DesignMasters. I guess I should start charging admission! (head swelling to unbelievable size) -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Feb 2 11:58:02 1997 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 21:29:14 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: awards Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Great!! Now we have Denny, Skeleton, and Bob all with swollen heads. Don you better make the page bigger or these guys are not going to fit!!! Good going Bob!! Your page is great! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Feb 2 12:34:50 1997 Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 12:30:15 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: awards Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Great!! > Now we have Denny, Skeleton, and Bob all with swollen heads. Don you > better make the page bigger or these guys are not going to fit!!! > Good going Bob!! Your page is great! Thanks Kathy! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Feb 2 19:51:59 1997 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:49:59 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: Re: awards Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, All I can say is AWESOME PAGE!!! Last week, I was happy with my first attempt at a home page, now I am demoralized.....I have a lot of design work ahead of me. Your page is well deserving of the award. I have one question though, are the midi files original, or were you able to obtain them elsewhere? I have wanted to add some music to my site, but my musical ability is zilch. Thanks. >My web page just won another award! The "Cool Site of the Week" by >DesignMasters. > >I guess I should start charging admission! (head swelling to >unbelievable size) > >-- >Bob Andrews >bandrews@inreach.com >http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews Barry Wulfe http://www.txdirect.net/users/bwulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Feb 2 22:11:14 1997 Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 22:06:56 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: awards Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Barry Wulfe wrote: > > Bob, > > All I can say is AWESOME PAGE!!! Last week, I was happy with my first > attempt at a home page, now I am demoralized.....I have a lot of design > work ahead of me. > > Your page is well deserving of the award. I have one question though, are > the midi files original, or were you able to obtain them elsewhere? I have > wanted to add some music to my site, but my musical ability is zilch. > Thanks. Thank you very much! I didn't make the midi files (although I did alter and combine the theme for Restin' Pete's Discount Bargain Burial Barn), they are out there on the web. Just search for MIDI. I want to compose music, but the music composing part of my brain isn't very cooperative. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Feb 3 07:32:32 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 08:08:06 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: awards Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Good show, Bob! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Feb 3 14:15:12 1997 To: Halloween-L From: William E Rompala Date: 3 Feb 97 17:06:29 EDT Subject: Re: foam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >would also be a great way to help preserve some of the elaborate >tombstones,props,etc. that many on this list have created for their >home haunts.I'm not sure if John or Denny carry the Rosco line of Can you treat the prop after it has been painted/completed etc or is this something that must be applied first? Thanks, -W William Rompala From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 4 04:50:18 1997 From: Jacqui Young To: "'Halloween'" Subject: Bob's Page Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:43:13 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wow Bob I finally had some time to take a good look at your web pages. Incredible, I don't know what I envy more your gate or the creative talent it took to create that page. Naw,, I lie I want the gate Bob, I want the fence too....PLEASE!!!!! Excellent job, no wonder you're winning awards. Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca jyoung@idirect.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 4 05:31:13 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 05:30:03 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bob's Page Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui Young wrote: > > Wow Bob I finally had some time to take a good look at your web pages. > Incredible, I don't know what I envy more your gate or the creative > talent it took to create that page. Naw,, I lie I want the gate Bob, I want > the fence too....PLEASE!!!!! > > Excellent job, no wonder you're winning awards. Jaqui, Thank you! I'm doing an update soon, including a "fleshing out" of my ficticious sponsor's site, Restin' Pete's Discount Bargain Burial Barn(tm). I actually planned to use the fence this Halloween, but if you wanted to store it for me during the off season... ;-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 4 08:10:45 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:57:43 -0500 From: Jack Bentley To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bob's Page Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > > Jacqui Young wrote: > > > > Wow Bob I finally had some time to take a good look at your web pages. > > Incredible, I don't know what I envy more your gate or the creative > > talent it took to create that page. Naw,, I lie I want the gate Bob, I want > > the fence too....PLEASE!!!!! > > > > Excellent job, no wonder you're winning awards. > > Jaqui, > Thank you! I'm doing an update soon, including a "fleshing out" of my > ficticious sponsor's site, Restin' Pete's Discount Bargain Burial > Barn(tm). > > I actually planned to use the fence this Halloween, but if you wanted > to store it for me during the off season... ;-D > -- Now wait a minute, Bob! I asked to "store" the fence and gate first! *Geez, give the guy an award and he steps on your neck* :) Jack "O-Lantern" B. -- DesignMasters, Inc. http://www.dmwc.com Creative Design Solutions From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 4 09:00:54 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:52:40 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bob's Page (Banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jack Bentley wrote: > > Bob Andrews wrote: > > I actually planned to use the fence this Halloween, but if you wanted > > to store it for me during the off season... ;-D > > -- > > Now wait a minute, Bob! I asked to "store" the fence and gate first! > *Geez, give the guy an award and he steps on your neck* :) > > Jack "O-Lantern" B. > -- > DesignMasters, Inc. > http://www.dmwc.com > Creative Design Solutions Jack, You should see my garage. *Believe me* There's enough fence for EVERYONE to store it for me! (Thanks for the award!) -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 4 22:54:37 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 01:48:38 -0500 From: Jack Bentley To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bob's Page (Banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > > You should see my garage. *Believe me* There's enough fence for > EVERYONE to store it for me! Indeed it appears that way. I'll have two columns, a gate, a side of coleslaw, and a biscuit with that. > (Thanks for the award!) It is well deserved. Great site. JB -- CEO/Owner DesignMasters, Inc. - Woodstock, GA http://www.dmwc.com Web Site Creation From owner-xmas-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 07:24:06 1997 To: xmas-l , halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 6 Feb 97 10:13:43 EDT Subject: In Search Of.... Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com Hello everyone. I am still in search of those small animated figurines- you know the ones, Santa and Mrs Claus holding a candle or whatever moving in that slow back and forth motion etc. Haven't had much luck with the local stores. Those of you on the Halloween list w/ me know why I want them . I'm not trying to collect them, just want to salvage the servo motors etc inside, so I don't want to pay full price for something that I'm just going to operat- um, I mean, use in another manner than originally intended. ;-) I'm hoping someone on xmas-l may have some insight. Anyone know of any store chains that may still have some of these in the back etc? Any other ideas? Thanks all! At end of rope, -W Above a trapdoor NOTE: Only Two hundred and sixty seven days left! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 07:30:53 1997 To: xmas-l , halloween-l From: William E Rompala Date: 6 Feb 97 10:13:43 EDT Subject: In Search Of.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello everyone. I am still in search of those small animated figurines- you know the ones, Santa and Mrs Claus holding a candle or whatever moving in that slow back and forth motion etc. Haven't had much luck with the local stores. Those of you on the Halloween list w/ me know why I want them . I'm not trying to collect them, just want to salvage the servo motors etc inside, so I don't want to pay full price for something that I'm just going to operat- um, I mean, use in another manner than originally intended. ;-) I'm hoping someone on xmas-l may have some insight. Anyone know of any store chains that may still have some of these in the back etc? Any other ideas? Thanks all! At end of rope, -W Above a trapdoor NOTE: Only Two hundred and sixty seven days left! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 08:17:13 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:10:55 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: In Search Of.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com William E Rompala wrote: > > Hello everyone. > > I am still in search of those small animated figurines- you know the ones, > Santa and Mrs Claus holding a candle or whatever moving in that slow back and > forth motion etc. Haven't had much luck with the local stores. > Those of you on the Halloween list w/ me know why I want them shears ;-)>. I'm not trying to collect them, just want to salvage the servo > motors etc inside, so I don't want to pay full price for something that I'm > just going to operat- um, I mean, use in another manner than originally > intended. ;-) > I'm hoping someone on xmas-l may have some insight. > > Anyone know of any store chains that may still have some of these in the back > etc? Any other ideas? > Thanks all! > At end of rope, > > -W > Above a trapdoor > NOTE: Only Two hundred and sixty seven days left! William, Sorry, I think you're a month too late. They are wonderful gear assemblies! Very durable and quiet. I use them in my owl and my projected ghost. I was hunting for figures on December 26th, and I came up empty. It may be my imagination, or 'cause I watch the X-Files, but I think things were done differently this last year than previous ones. I notices at out local Target and Wal-mart stores that the animated figures were disappearing around a week or two before Christmas. Almost like they were sent to some storage warehouse so the stores wouldn't have to reduce the price of them after Christmas. The Truth is out there... -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 11:36:01 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:09:50 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Member List Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests a copy from me by email. ======================================================= Some important things to remember: If you're subscribed to the listserv, you're on this listing. I am only making the list available to members of the group. To receive a copy from me, I must receive an email from you and I have to be able to find you on a current subscriber list. After the first copy goes out, I no longer have control of this list. Each of us is on her/his honor to limit distribution to within the group. ======================================================= Finally, I used Wordperfect 7 to compile this listing. When you email me, please specify the wordprocessor you wish to view it with and I will try to provide it to you in the correct file format. So far, the list is only sorted alphabetically. As time allows, I'll break it down by interest and geographic area, as promised previously. PS Welcome, new subscribers! bwulfe@txdirect.net daisy_bercowitz@hotmail.com kbtuthi@eac.com lrbudd@worldnet.att.net m_c_004b@frank.mtsu.edu mgarza4@Bayou.UH.EDU pmsrjf@ibi.com science@west.net Greg in Vista T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 12:38:52 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 15:28:24 -0500 From: Jack Bentley To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg Hope wrote: > > Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I > will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests > a copy from me by email. > ======================================================= Hi Greg. I would like a copy. I have Microsoft Works 4.0. But a simple text version viewable in wordpad or write will be ok. Thanks, Jack Bentley jcb28@bellsouth.net -- CEO/Owner DesignMasters, Inc. - Woodstock, GA http://www.dmwc.com Web Site Creation From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 13:36:51 1997 From: "Jim Baggett" To: Subject: Re: Member List Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:27:52 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg, Send one my way please.Thanks. Charmaine ---------- > From: Jack Bentley > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Re: Member List > Date: Thursday, February 06, 1997 3:28 PM > > Greg Hope wrote: > > > > Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I > > will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests > > a copy from me by email. > > ======================================================= > > Hi Greg. I would like a copy. I have Microsoft Works 4.0. But a > simple text version viewable in wordpad or write will be ok. > > Thanks, > > Jack Bentley > jcb28@bellsouth.net > -- > CEO/Owner > DesignMasters, Inc. - Woodstock, GA > http://www.dmwc.com > Web Site Creation From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 13:46:53 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Member List Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:38:24 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Responding as you requested. I'm a Windows user and mostly use the simple Windows Write pgm - format request. Thanks for all your work in compiling the list. Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) 2/6/97 ================================ Ref ======================= At 11:09 AM 2/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I >will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests >a copy from me by email. >======================================================= >Some important things to remember: > >If you're subscribed to the listserv, you're on this listing. > >I am only making the list available to members of the group. > >To receive a copy from me, I must receive an email from you and I have to be >able to find you on a current subscriber list. > >After the first copy goes out, I no longer have control of this list. > >Each of us is on her/his honor to limit distribution to within the group. >======================================================= >Finally, I used Wordperfect 7 to compile this listing. When you email me, >please specify the wordprocessor you wish to view it with and I will try to >provide it to you in the correct file format. So far, the list is only >sorted alphabetically. As time allows, I'll break it down by interest and >geographic area, as promised previously. > >PS Welcome, new subscribers! > >bwulfe@txdirect.net >daisy_bercowitz@hotmail.com >kbtuthi@eac.com >lrbudd@worldnet.att.net >m_c_004b@frank.mtsu.edu >mgarza4@Bayou.UH.EDU >pmsrjf@ibi.com >science@west.net > >Greg in Vista > >T (619) 945-4424 >F (619) 726-2804 >E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 14:00:34 1997 From: "Jim Baggett" To: Subject: Re: Member List Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:50:48 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg, Sorry. DUH! I forgot to mention I use MSworks as my wordprocessing program. Thanks again, Charmaine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 6 14:04:12 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Apologies to the List Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:50:30 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry folks I made a bo bo.. pressed the REPLY button and sent my response to Greg's message to the list. I can only assure you that my head still rests on my shoulders although it may appear that, momentarily, it had been tucked underneath my arm. Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) 2/6/97 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 06:47:12 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:25:46 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Me, too! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 08:11:09 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 00:47:56 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com count me in!!! Kathy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 10:09:17 1997 From: Will Mellick Subject: Re: Member List To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 9:55:38 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg Hope wrote: > > Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I > will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests > a copy from me by email. > ======================================================= Hi Greg. Please send me a copy also. Thanks, Will. -- mellick@spk.hp.com Mail: Hewlett-Packard Company Will Mellick, 3WU Test Engineering 24001 E. Mission Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9599 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 10:13:33 1997 From: Will Mellick Subject: Re: Member List To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 10:03:15 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg Hope wrote: > > Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I > will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests > a copy from me by email. > ======================================================= Hi Greg. Sorry about forgetting to tell you what format I need it in. I'm on a UNIX workstation, so a plain text file would be better for me rather than WP 7.0. Thanks again Will. -- mellick@spk.hp.com Mail: Hewlett-Packard Company Will Mellick, 3WU Test Engineering 24001 E. Mission Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9599 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 11:31:28 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 11:06:06 PST From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Re: Member List -Reply > > count me in!!! > At first I was going to ask everyone just to email the requests to Greg. Then my natural paranoia took over, wanting to know WHO was requesting the list. B-) I don't have a wordprocessor on my unix box. Could you give a 'sample' of a plain text output? THomas Thomas W Oliver |"Carpe Denarii - 'seize the dough' (TWO)" Network Security Officer | telephone: 619 458-2175 Science Applications International Corp.| fax: 619 535-7860 4110 Campus Point Court MS G2 | e-mail: oliver@nemesis.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | e-mail: Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 12:59:32 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:53:51 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I don't have a wordprocessor on my unix box. Could you give a 'sample' of a > plain text output? > > THomas I cant resist... You've got the most powerful word processor ever, vi and nroff! It just takes a couple months to get good at it! ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 13:48:40 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 13:38:23 PST From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > > > I don't have a wordprocessor on my unix box. Could you give a 'sample' of a > > plain text output? > > > > THomas > > I cant resist... You've got the most powerful word processor ever, vi > and nroff! It just takes a couple months to get good at it! ;-) > :%s/wordprocessor/wordprocessor other than vi (stupid smart alecks B-)/g Long week, too many work-related interuptions B-) I *WAS* planning to use vi, awk, sed, etc. I'm just curious as to the record layout and line length. (just humor an old programmer from the days of punch cards & paper tape B-) THomas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 16:24:18 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:15:01 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: foam Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Feb.3 William wrote: >Can you treat the prop after it has been painted/completed or is this >something that must be applied first? Foamcoat would be applied before you paint.Think of it as a primer coat since it will make your finish paint much easier to apply.You can even use spray paints that would normally melt foam. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu -sorry it took so long to respond to this but I was down with the flu for a week. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 7 19:52:42 1997 From: The Youngs To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Thomas W Oliver'" Subject: RE: Member List -Reply Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 20:13:32 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Let him have it Thomas, these newcomers show no respect to the oldies, yep, punched cards and paper tape, those were the days. Jacqui ---------- > :%s/wordprocessor/wordprocessor other than vi (stupid smart alecks B-)/g Long week, too many work-related interuptions B-) I *WAS* planning to use vi, awk, sed, etc. I'm just curious as to the record layout and line length. (just humor an old programmer from the days of punch cards & paper tape B-) THomas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 8 08:24:05 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:10:17 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: John Wohlers Subject: Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey all you gouls! I was fliping through the channels last Saturday morning, when I discovered fox's "Casper" was just ending, as I was about to flip channels the credits began to roll. I was shocked to see they were going through a gravyard showing tombstones. So I hit record and then waited for the show to finish. When I got done i rewound the tape and hit slo-motion. I ended up writing down seven sayings for tombstones. So I made sure to do the same this week. This time I got all ten. Here they are! Grave E. Train Old As Dirt Rotten Luck U.R. Next Meet Yer Maker Bogged Down Ten Ton Talley, What A Waist What A R.I.P. Off S. King Pet Semetary Here Lies Puss, He went with his boots on D. Pest Bea Headed The Gingerbread Man, Met His Maker M.T. Coffin Belle E. Yub E.M. Balm Mr Ed, Gone To Greener Pastures Thats all of them this time... I try to watch again next week and see if they change them again. Hauntingly Yours, John ************************************************************* * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * * John Wohlers O- * * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * ************************************************************* From owner-xmas-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 8 09:10:57 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:04:55 -0500 (EST) To: xmas-l@netcom.com, xmas-l , halloween-l From: richdean@intercall.com (Richard L. Dean (Rich Dean)) Subject: Re: In Search Of.... Reply-To: xmas-l@netcom.com At 10:13 AM 2/6/97 EDT, xmas-l@netcom.com wrote: >Hello everyone. > >I am still in search of those small animated figurines- you know the ones, >Santa and Mrs Claus holding a candle or whatever moving in that slow back and >forth motion etc. Haven't had much luck with the local stores. In northern New Jersey, two places that carried those items during Christmas season are: Fountains of Wayne Fairfield Garden Center US Hwy 46 westbound US Hwy 46 westbound Wayne NJ Fairfield NJ Both places are in area code 201, but I don't have a directory handy. And both have extensive offerings at the holiday season and may have some left. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 8 09:15:48 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:04:55 -0500 (EST) To: xmas-l@netcom.com, xmas-l , halloween-l From: richdean@intercall.com (Richard L. Dean (Rich Dean)) Subject: Re: In Search Of.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:13 AM 2/6/97 EDT, xmas-l@netcom.com wrote: >Hello everyone. > >I am still in search of those small animated figurines- you know the ones, >Santa and Mrs Claus holding a candle or whatever moving in that slow back and >forth motion etc. Haven't had much luck with the local stores. In northern New Jersey, two places that carried those items during Christmas season are: Fountains of Wayne Fairfield Garden Center US Hwy 46 westbound US Hwy 46 westbound Wayne NJ Fairfield NJ Both places are in area code 201, but I don't have a directory handy. And both have extensive offerings at the holiday season and may have some left. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 8 16:32:53 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:07:24 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com While reading through the archives I noticed that many of you have made tombstones out of styrofoam but I don't recall anyone passing along this tip. A standard router is an excellent way of giving your tombstones that "professional look". If you don't already own one and never plan on doing any woodworking with it buy the cheapest,lowest h.p. one you can find. It doesn't take much power to cut through foam. Garage sales,flea markets etc. are a good place to find one. Sears often sells rebuilt ones at a reduced price. It doesn't take much practice to get the hang of it and if you make a mistake it will only add "character" (giving your tombstone a chipped,aged look making it look more authentic). JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Feb 8 20:26:58 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 14:04:38 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey John, good catch!! I would never have thought of looking at the tombstones!! Some of these are really funny, I can see several uses for them. Keep up the good work. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Feb 9 13:56:22 1997 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:34:57 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: John Wohlers Subject: Re: Tombstones Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:04 PM 2/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey John, > good catch!! I would never have thought of looking at the tombstones!! >Some of these are really funny, I can see several uses for them. Keep up >the good work. Thanks, I just happend to see the graveyard and though I might find a few good saying on there... Then they started panning past all of them so i figured there must be a reason. I think they must change them for every episode. I wonder if the show has a web page or something where we can get ALL of the ones from prior episodes? John >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > ************************************************************* * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * * John Wohlers O- * * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * ************************************************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 11 17:47:48 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:06:26 PST From: "Sparks, Doug" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Corpses Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I haven't received any mail in the last couple of days, so I thought I would primer discussions with a question here. Has anyone ordered the book on how to build your own corpses (from Distefano Productions) and actually produced some results with it? I am in need of a corpse for this year's display and was wondering whether or not the guide is a worthwhile investment. Is there anyone who can give us a review of the book? I don't want to buy the text and find out it costs another $300 in materials to produce a single corpse. Any help would be appreciated Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Feb 11 17:54:54 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:54:41 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Corpses Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug wrote: > > Has anyone ordered the book on how to build your own corpses (from > Distefano Productions) and actually produced some results with it? > > I am in need of a corpse for this year's display and was wondering > whether or not the guide is a worthwhile investment. Is there anyone > who can give us a review of the book? I don't want to buy the text > and find out it costs another $300 in materials to produce a single > corpse. > > I have not personally used or seen his book. (Is this the same one with a web site?) The manufacture of a corpse (depending on detail) is more artistic ability than "place slot (a) into slot (b). :) :) If you are on the hunt for a good corpse (male or female) There is a kit that is available (Denny at Terror by Design or myself) that all you need to do is trim clean and paint. For the sake of time (and $$) the kits are a really good way to fly, and they look great. As for the book you mentioned, I'm not sure to the mode of manufacture he uses. They may be a sculpture-cast foam latex skin over a simple frame, to simple cotton/latex over a skeleton (that looks just as real). A gory corpse I did once used the latex/cotton over a regular skeleton kit. It turned out good, but the actual "corpse" kit was just as gruesome. You never know, I would inquire to the price of materials he used just to make sure. They do make fun projects. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 05:22:25 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:06:59 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Corpses Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:54 PM 2/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Doug wrote: >> >> Has anyone ordered the book on how to build your own corpses (from >> Distefano Productions) and actually produced some results with it? A couple of my customers have ordered the book directly from Distefano and have not been very happy with the content. My interest in stocking the book and dealing with Jamie Distefano died with their comments. John's (A.K.A. Mr. Scary) suggestion of the Corpse Kits carried by him, myself and I suspect Tad may cost more up front but over the course of building will come out cheaper than methods from the book. You can see a picture of the corpse kit at my props page and a link to see all three kits, give John, Tad or myself a call if you have any questions. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares 630-830-9561 7:30 am. to 5:30 pm. CST fax 630-830-9577 24 hours From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 09:03:29 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Member List Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:51:24 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com As yet has anyone rec'd the member list from Greg Hope? At 11:09 AM 2/6/97 -0800, Greg wrote: >Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I >will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests >a copy from me by email. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 10:41:51 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Hope To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member List Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Jim Kadel wrote: > As yet has anyone rec'd the member list from Greg Hope? > > At 11:09 AM 2/6/97 -0800, Greg wrote: > >Okay. The first incarnation of the member list is ready to send out. I > >will email the list as an attachment to any member of the group who requests > >a copy from me by email. > My apologies to everyone. I've received your requests, but have been swamped at work and school. By the end of the week, I'll be able to begin sending out the lists. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 16:53:17 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:40:11 -0500 From: Crypt Subject: Re: Member List To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > As yet has anyone rec'd the member list from Greg Hope? > > Nope. Not yet atleast not I . * . . . + . . . + . . We have loved the stars too fondly . + From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 17:00:23 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:50:32 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Corpses Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If the corpse kits that John and Denny carry are the ones made by MBP,they are well worth the money.We have six of these in our haunt and have been pretty happy with them.They are fairly simple to assem- ble,the joints are articulated so you can position them any way you want,and they look pretty realistic.MBP also has a decent skeleton kit but it takes much longer to assemble. If anybody buys either of these kits e-mail me and I can give you some additional suggestions (that aren't included with the kit's instructions) on how to consruct them so they can withstand more abuse. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 20:17:50 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:56:11 -0800 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Hello! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings fellow Halloween aficionados! I am new to this list, but am happy to finally be on it (long stupid story). My boyfriend an I have been decorating my front yard for six years now. We do a graveyard, and try to mostly stick to the supernatural aspect of Halloween. This of course means the obligatory ghosts, tombstones and such are included, in addition to an evergrowing mass of other assorted things. We have a lot of other ideas but have gotten to the point where we need to learn how to make things that move, have sound etc. Any help would be appreciated. If there is any way in which we can help anybody (were good at thinking up ideas at least!) we would be glad to. This past year we were included in the local newspaper list of Halloween decorations (The Daily News for you So.Cal. Valley people) and were very excited. We got a lot more people who appreciated what we did. It was very cool!! Julie and Dwayne From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 20:49:49 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:45:25 -0600 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jrbaas wrote: > I am new to this list, Hi, Julie and Dwayne! Welcome to our little group of ghoulies! Pull up a tombstone and make yourself at home. We're glad to have you. :-) > We have a lot of other ideas but have > gotten to the point where we need to learn how to make things that move, > have sound etc. Any help would be appreciated. If there is any way in > which we can help anybody (were good at thinking up ideas at least!) we > would be glad to. Oooh, goodie! Fresh blood! ;-) Boy, would I like to sit down and have a drink with you two. What part of the country are you in? I'm in southern Illinois, and I'd *love* to share some thoughts. Well, if you're not close enough to visit (or are afraid to.... ha!) then I know you will find lots of inspiration from the true masters of Halloween on this list. First you will want to check out the archives (um, anybody have that address handy?). For starter's you'll just *have* to build Doug's Flying Crank Ghost. It's a wonderful design, simple to build, and *really* impressive to see. And I know we're all hoping you'll share some of your ideas. Just jump right in and inspire us. I, for one, have been at this long enough that my head now feels like someone has let loose with a cobweb shooter in there. Well, enough of the rambling... Welcome, welcome, welcome! Regards, DJ, who's a bit batty with excitement over the new brains to pick (dejay@midwest.net) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Feb 12 22:44:26 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:50:30 -0700 Subject: Hello! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Welcome, Julie & Dwayne. Lots of fun people in the list, lots of discussions, many things. Send up a pic of your place sometime! :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 05:54:18 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 14:05:47 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Julie, You found the right place for help!! If someone on this group does not know how to do it ...then it can't be done...not in our price range anyway!! You will get lots of ideas and suggestions. If you have a question on how to do something just ask and someone on here has probably tried it!! It is slow now, but give it time the gang will come crawling out of their graves to chat... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 06:32:39 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 09:27:03 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: "Death and Taxis" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the March 1997 issue of "Automobile Magazine" there is an article titled "Death and Taxis". It is a brief bit about the Professional Car Society meet that took place in Saint Paul, MN sometime last year. There are a few good pictures for those interested. In particular, a couple of small ones of a 1915 Studebaker casket car. Complete with drapery carved wood side panels. Interesting to note and I'll quote directly here: "Thier pet peeves are the feeble downsized 1980 hearses; their enemies are those who turn professional cars into surfer buggies or fraternity buses and those who display coffins and skeletons with thier hearses, which goes against PCS rules" Gosh, Even on Halloween!? :< Their next "International" meet will be in held in August 19-24, 1997 in Hunt Valley MD (301) 649-1321. Hunt Valley is a rather posh resort BTW. Later Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 08:10:40 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:07:02 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Death and Taxis" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill Lewis wrote: > >.... their enemies are...those who display coffins and skeletons with thier hearses, which goes against PCS rules" ...yeah, and I get ticked when TV shows programmers as overweight bespectacled geeks with bad hygiene and a Star Trek fetish. hey, I don't wear glasses. Their biggest enemy is their lack of a sense of humor. Next time you see a somber PCS member, ask them "whoa, who died?" -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 10:40:21 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: "Death and Taxis"--Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *(snip)* >"Thier pet peeves are the feeble downsized 1980 hearses; their enemies are >those who turn professional cars into surfer buggies or fraternity buses and >those who display coffins and skeletons with thier hearses, which goes >against PCS rules" Gee, I guess that leaves me out...I wouldn't want to pull up in my 20'+ long, 6500+lb, 49 Cad end-loader, 100 year old cherry casket and *offend* anyone;) "ROAD TRIP!!!!!!" Muahahhahahaaaaaaaaa >Hunt Valley is a rather posh resort BTW. I wonder if they would let us in if we took caviar :) (Or at least something that resembles the stuff) :) :) If you want to see a really good Hearse page..Scope out: http://www.best.com/~border/grimrides/grimrides.shtml If that does not work, hit YAHOO and search: HEARSE (or) GRIM RIDES. It's a really good page. Funny stories about the owners and their coaches. Welcome new members, and have fun. I'm breaking out the road atlas as we speak... John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 11:49:57 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: If Edgar Allan Poe Had Used a Computer... Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:37:33 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Once upon a midnight dreary, fingers cramped and vision bleary, System manuals piled high and waste papers on the floor, Longing for the warmth of bed sheets, Still I sat there, doing spreadsheets. Having reached the bottom line, I took a floppy from the drawer. Typing with a steady hand, I then invoked the SAVE command, But got instead a reprimand; it read "Abort, Retry, Ignore." Was this some occult illusion? Some maniacal intrusion? These were choices Solomon himself had never faced before. Carefully, I weighed the options These three seemed to be the top ones. Clearly, I must now adopt one: Choose Abort, Retry, Ignore. With my fingers pale and trembling, Slowly toward the keyboard bending, Longing for a happy ending, hoping all would be restored, Praying for some guarantee, Finally I pressed a key -- But on the screen what did I see? Again "Abort, Retry, Ignore." I tried to catch the chips off-guard -- I pressed again, but twice as hard. Luck was just not in the cards. I saw what I had seen before. Now I typed in desperation, Trying random combinations; Still there came the incantation: Choose Abort, Retry, Ignore. There I sat, distraught, exhausted, by my own machine accosted, Getting up I turned away and paced across the office floor. And then I saw an awful sight -- A bold and blinding flash of light -- A lightning bolt had cut the night and shook me to my core. I saw the screen collapse and die. "No! No! My data base!" I cried. I thought I heard a voice reply, "You'll see your data NEVERMORE!" To this day I do not know The place to which lost data goes. I bet it goes to heaven where the angels have it stored. But as for productivity, well, I fear that it goes straight to hell. And that's the tale I have to tell. Your choice: Abort, Retry, Ignore From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 12:51:28 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:46:02 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: If Edgar Allan Poe Had Used a Computer... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > *major snippage of some wonderful stuff* Fabulous! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 16:29:48 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:22:47 -0800 From: DSparks@ligand.com (Doug Sparks) Subject: Make-up Effects To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey gang, activity must be at a low lately....I feel like I am talking into the fog Anyway, I was sorely disappointed last October at my costume and I am looking to improve upon it this year. I want to do away with the cold latex mask and move more to a latex prosthesis type makeup this year. I have done some homework and have only come across about 10 billion sources on the subject, and was wondering if anyone here had some opinions on suitable sources. I don't have a preference of video over book or vice versa, but does one provide better instruction than the other (overall)? I have found different series' on the subject and am now confused as to where I need to start. Do I bypass some of the fundamental areas and head right to foam latex?? Basically I am looking for some quick guidance by you old hands who may have hand first hand experience with these products. Any suggestions? Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 16:29:50 1997 From: The Youngs To: "'Halloween'" , "'Jim Kadel'" Subject: RE: If Edgar Allan Poe Had Used a Computer... Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:08:41 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks Jim, that's one I'm going to post for my users to see when they enter my office. Which brings me to another point, why is that only in the computer area and the drug trade do we call or clients Users? Maybe because they always have to come back for more? Someone, actually the systems manager,mentioned this to me,,, interesting ;-) Jacqui jacqui.young@cciw.ca jyoung@idirect.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 21:56:29 1997 From: "Derek Godfrey" To: Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- "There are those that say Life is an illusion, and Reality as we know it is merely a figment of our imagination." mailto:dgodfrey@interserv.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2774 ---------- > From: Doug Sparks > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Make-up Effects > Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 7:22 PM > > > Hey gang, activity must be at a low lately....I feel like I am talking > into the fog > > Anyway, I was sorely disappointed last October at my costume and I am > looking to improve upon it this year. I want to do away with the cold > latex mask and move more to a latex prosthesis type makeup this year. > I have done some homework and have only come across about 10 billion > sources on the subject, and was wondering if anyone here had some > opinions on suitable sources. I don't have a preference of video over > book or vice versa, but does one provide better instruction than the > other (overall)? I have found different series' on the subject and am > now confused as to where I need to start. Do I bypass some of the > fundamental areas and head right to foam latex?? > > Basically I am looking for some quick guidance by you old hands who > may have hand first hand experience with these products. Any > suggestions? > > Doug Sparks > dsparks@ligand.com The general consensus in my area is to use GM foam...that works better in the humidity of North Carolina than Burman foam. You need to pick a resource that offers specific references to the type of makeup you are wanting to do. For example, Monster Make-up or age makeup, etc. Vincent J.R. Kehoe's book(s) on 3-d makeup is a good starting point..these are on my list of things to purchase at some point. I own a copy of Tom Savini's Grand Illusions and plan to buy Grand Illusions 2 as soon as I can afford it. Dick Smith's Monster Makeup has some good basic stuff from the master himself. If you are into videos, Burman Industries has a very nice selection from beginning to advanced prosthetics. Always remember the cardinal rule of Makeup...start with the basics and stick to them and you will always have a firm foundation for the more advanced stuff. I have a question of my own...does anyone know of a mailing list or newsgroup for makeup artists or that is dedicated to discussion of professional F/X makeup? Thanks. Derek From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Feb 13 22:21:34 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:17:14 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Len Canders Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:59 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I have a question of my own...does anyone know of a mailing list or >newsgroup for makeup artists or that is dedicated to discussion of >professional F/X makeup? Thanks. > don't know of such a group, but there is a new make-up magazine out on the streets (don't have the name handy). it comes out quarterly and i saw one of the early issues a few months ago. it looks promising with a section on tips for beginners, but still has a ways to go as it looked pretty much like an early start-up issue. not a real complaint since it's apparently the only magazine of its sort now available. as soon as i find my copy i'll post the identifying info (you can order an issue, but not a subscription, from burman's). also, as far as working with foam latex goes, cut to the chase and get lee baygan's techniques of 3-dimensional make-up. it's the best book i've ever seen on the subject, but may be hard to find. burman's and some larger suppliers will probably have it (see my resources page). also, a helpful foam latex supplier ought to be able to provide some advice on the characteristics of the brand you purchase. a list of primarily make-up books is on my materials & how-to web page. i don't mean to say that i a lot about make-up as i know i don't, but when i come across one that looks interesting i may get it, especially if i find it at the used book store at a good savings.hth, len canders lcanders@ccnet.com "in the fuzz" http://www.ccnet.com/~lcanders/welcome.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 14 04:02:08 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:47:30 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:22 PM 2/13/97 -0800, you wrote: > > Hey gang, activity must be at a low lately....I feel like I am talking > into the fog > > Anyway, I was sorely disappointed last October at my costume and I am > looking to improve upon it this year. Hey Doug, Special Effects Makeup by Kehoe and Techniques Of Three Dimensional Makeup by Baygan are two of the best books I've run across on "how-to". Tom Savini's books are excellent for getting ideas. I'd suggest starting with skinned appliances and moving to foam when you get a feel of working with latex. All the books are in stock here and I'm sure John Jefferies and Tad also have, or can get then quickly. These books are fairly popular and should also be available at most libraries. Even if your local library doesn't have them. ask if they can borrow from another source, my library has dozens of schools and other libraries that it will exchange books with. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 14 05:44:05 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:55:44 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (snip) > Basically I am looking for some quick guidance by you old hands who > may have hand first hand experience with these products. Any > suggestions? Foam...It's cool stuff to work with, and can really enhance a costume. I have talked to some really good foam-techs that could "kill" the mold makers. Doing a good foam piece depends on the quality of the mold as well. For beginning, even advanced work, the video by MBP "How to do basic foam..." is a good start. They list places to get materials, and exactly what materials to use. Using foam is a little science, and a bit of magic. Room temperature, mixer speed and humidity all play a role. Once you have done it a few times, it comes easy. But, to do any foam piece, you need to sculpt and cast. Savini Grande Illusions 1&2 are a good place for information on life casting and info about the movies he has worked on, and how he did each effect. And the other books listed are also very good sources of information. One thing no-one has mentioned...Don't bake your foam when your wife is home :) Let's say it does not have the nice smell like Glade :) There used to be a "cold foam" on the market (no baking required). I haven't used any for several years and wonder if it's still out there. Not as good as "baked" foam, but easy to work with. The stuff was great to make horns, tissue, rocks, etc. Hope this helps. John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 14 06:13:58 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Chain letter reply (having a nominal connection with Halloween) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:09:46 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, folks! I've been seeing a rash of chain letters, urban myths, and rumor reports on many of the mailing lists I'm a part of. Fortunately, the Halloween people seem clueful enough to avoid forwarding them so far, and perhaps we can keep this record intact! If, however, you find yourself on a mailing list or two with a differently clued individual who forwards some frantic warning about "Kidney Harvesting" or the Internet being shut down for cleaning, you might find the following stock reply to be handy. I've started sending it in response every time I get a chain letter. (And, upon reflection, lots of these urban myths might make good themes for rooms in haunted houses! Someone with his internal organs removed and pulsing on a tray would be particularly gruesome!) --- stock reply to chain letters, dying children, kidney harvesting, etc --- Many people are taken in by hoaxes, rumors, and urban myths spread via email on the Internet. You can protect youself from being fooled, by looking for the following three items in any alarming or urgent email you receive: -An urgent warning or call to action! Anything making you want to type, "I know this is off-topic for the list, but I thought this was so important I just had to forward it!" should NEVER be forwarded. The more urgent a message looks, the more likely it is to be a hoax. -No verifiable origin of the information. It may claim to be issued by a government agency, or some authoritative source like MIT, but if you try to find the source you will always fail. Don't forward anything without verifying its source. -No specific dates within the message. However, non-specific dates such as "last month" or "Craig Shergold is 8 years old" abound. Note that these offer no clues as to how long the myth has been circulating. Dates on email headers DO NOT COUNT, since they get updated whenever some new person forwards the myth. If you receive email with these three characteristics, it's almost certainly a hoax. If you forward it to your friends, you're making yourself look silly, while giving the hoaxer the satisfaction of seeing his creation live. Instead, send this message as a reply, and tell the originator that he or she's spreading an urban myth. Thanks, Andy Oakland MIT Information Systems sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 14 10:19:12 1997 From: "Derek Godfrey" To: Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:15:30 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ---------- > From: John P. Jeffries > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: Re: Make-up Effects > Date: Friday, February 14, 1997 8:55 AM > > There used to be a "cold foam" on the market (no baking required). I haven't > used any for several years and wonder if it's still out there. Not as good > as "baked" foam, but easy to work with. The stuff was great to make horns, > tissue, rocks, etc. > It is still out there and is made by Kryolan. The only reason I have not used the stuff is because it is not safe to use and you have to go through hades to dispose of the containers the parts come in. It produces Iso-Cyanate gas when it is first mixed (meaning get out the respirator, goggles and super strength rubber gloves that go to your elbows...and do it outdoors or in a room with a ventilating booth). That's assuming of course you don't want to seriously injure (poison) yourself or develop a severe allergy to the stuff. But once it is cured, it is perfectly safe...just doesn't move like skin well enough for any serious prosthetic work (large pieces or pieces you want to use for a long time). I hope this has enlightened a few, Derek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- "There are those that say Life is an illusion, and Reality as we know it is merely a figment of our imagination." mailto:dgodfrey@interserv.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/2774 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 14 10:29:32 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 10:17:22 PST From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > There used to be a "cold foam" on the market (no baking required). I haven't > used any for several years and wonder if it's still out there. Not as good > as "baked" foam, but easy to work with. The stuff was great to make horns, > tissue, rocks, etc. > > Nope. Krylon removed it from the market. I still have a little out in the garage (still hidden from the move a year ago), and will need to check for the exact chemical makeup, but the main reason it was yanked is that it gave off cyanide gas from the chemical mixture of the two parts. The curing time varied based on the thickness (of course) and the closeness of the appliance to my face or body. I would handle the piece within 8 hours, but I could still smell fumes even after a week. Of course I always worked in a well ventilated roo... hmmm where was I? B-) It's too bad, because it gave novices a chance to work with foam in an informal manner. The foam it produced was a little more rigid, less porous, and was not quite as finely detailed as that the three or four part foams. The foaming action would occur almost immediately, upon mixing. And would produce a large volume of foam. I would buy it again it I could find it. There is still hope that they may make a different version that would not release any toxic gases, but I haven't called krylon in over two years. B-( THomas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Feb 14 12:22:59 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:07:56 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Make-up Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:17 AM 2/14/97 PST, you wrote: