> I don't know about famous, but it is a neat effect. I think the only > picture on the net is on Bob Andrew's web page. My new Netscape version > just toasted my previously organized bookmarks and I don't recall the > URL for his site. (Bob, are you listening?) Bob's picture shows his > drive wheel which may be the piece that you are having a problem with. > A picture is worth a thousand words for this project, but I haven't had > a chance to get any out there yet. Howdy, I've got a picture of the drive wheel at http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews/flyghst.htm More pictures will be added as October heads towards us at frightening speed. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 2 15:21:19 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:15:54 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: ftp Site/flying ghost Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:51 PM 3/2/97 -0800, you wrote in part: >Unfortunately work has invaded all my waking hours lately. I am having >severe pangs of Halloween-envy for all of you going to the convention. >Stu, Denny, & Nathan, be sure to drink one for me. Hey Scotty, I was hoping you were going to make it. :( >Come to think of >it, where has the Evil Doctor Stu been lately. Ol' Stooby Doo has been buried at work. The real world just ain't much fun. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 2 23:32:40 1997 From: Orniske@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:24:00 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Phantasmechanics Update - finally! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings, listmembers. This is Doug Ferguson, writing from AOL instead of my usual address, as the uno vax is impaired tonight. I just spent over 6 hours updating the Phantasmechanics page. You will find a photographic detail of the Grave Jumper mechanism, and a major .html document devoted to the making of the 'Hotel Lugosi'. The links page is completely re-worked to make the addresses available, and to better explain what is to be found on the remote sites. Remember, if your site is not listed, please let me know, and I'll add it. You have nothing to lose but your anonymity! I may take a bit longer than my estimates in delivering on my promises, but I do get 'round to it. ;-) Coming soon: the next how-to installment. Sincerely, -DWF http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 00:34:37 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 03:26:55 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well I have ruffled feathers and step on toes, time to actually contribute to this list. I can take a description from my book of a method to visually change a pretty girl into a demonic witch right in front of the customers eyes. (NO separations of bars or glass or anything!) This method I adapted from an OLD stage effect that was used in the Doctor jekel and Mr. Hyde play. (around the 40’s I think but I am not sure.) It is an astonishing illusion that requires about $20 dollars in materials. As ALL good tricks, the effect is in the “mindset” of the customers and presentation. It dose require a decent actress but beyond that no special skills are needed. Would this be of interest to you all or has this already been done? ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ Yours ghouly Jerry - (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 01:31:15 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 04:29:39 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:26 AM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >Well I have ruffled feathers and step on toes, time to actually contribute to >this list. Hey:) Don't feel defensive:) I've been up over 20 hours, and still got stuff to do, but I would like to hear what you have to offer..As long as it does not describe card-board, plastic, real leaves, and a candle;) If I was not so tired, I would look up your word...It's a method of painting art that is used to "fool the eye"...A depth-perception fake out...Sounds interesting. I saw a show on a guy that does the stuff...real cool paintings. BTW: My feathers are always "ruffled" and my toes are normally blue ;) John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 02:40:06 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 04:28:41 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:29 AM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:26 AM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Well I have ruffled feathers and step on toes, time to actually contribute to >>this list. > >Hey:) Don't feel defensive:) I've been up over 20 hours, It's good to see other people (fellow fools) are up at 3:00 am. working. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 02:57:00 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 04:43:16 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:26 AM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >Well I have ruffled feathers and step on toes, time to actually contribute to >this list. I don't think so. >I can take a description from my book of a method to visually change a >pretty girl > into a demonic witch right in front of the customers eyes. (NO separations >of bars or glass >or anything!) I'd love to see it and your offer is generous. I would only ask that you consider the other, besides yourself, practicing magicians and illusionists on the list and listen to their views before posting it to the masses. (just my opinion, not policy of any sort) Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 06:47:13 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: RevCOAL To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It's "Trompe l'oil", I believe... Donna ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 06:51:34 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:48:09 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com: > I would only ask that you > consider the other, besides yourself, practicing magicians and illusionists > on the list and listen to their views before posting it to the masses. Hummm...As one of "the masses," this attitude makes me a little uncomfortable. One of the things I most enjoy about this list is everybody's willingness to share techniques, sources for parts, recipes, and ideas. I recognize that magicians and illusionists have an interest in keeping secrets secret, but isn't another ongoing thread about how presentation of an effect is paramount, with the mechanical aspect only secondary? (And also note that Spookyfx@aol.com himself says he adapted the effect from a play in the 1940's, so there's nothing new to reveal. I'm going to guess it involves a crossfade between differently colored lights, and two sets of makeup on the actress. Very simple, and very effective when done well!) One of the highlights of my Halloween party last year was the "haunted mirror" in the bathroom, which I took directly from Disney's hitchhiking ghosts scene from the Haunted Mansion. We were hearing shrieks from behind the bathroom door all night! Theatrical illusions, scaled down, can be of great use in haunted houses and parties, and I hate to see people withhold ideas because not all list members are "in the club." (Off my soapbox now.) :Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 08:01:40 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:53:32 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Herbert Becker Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:51 AM 2/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hello Ghouls, > My 2cents worth....After being on this list for almost a year, and >reading several of the articles I have found on the list I have this >opion. I don't want to know how it is done, and I don't think this guy >is a true lover of magic if he is telling everyone. Hi Kathy, Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you to play with. I wanted to mention that the guillotine Becker demonstrated is one of the "safer" magic-effect guillotines out there. It's similar to the Lester Lake versions I had mentioned in an earlier post where the head does not appear to drop. There are still some areas for trouble with it, plus it's probably the worst, non-scary looking guillotine ever made. Then there's presentation... Picking up a razor to shave in the morning is scarier than Becker's pathetic presentation. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 08:24:20 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:10:55 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:48 AM 3/3/97 EST, Andy wrote in part: > >milwiron@btprod.com: >> I would only ask that you >> consider the other, besides yourself, practicing magicians and illusionists >> on the list and listen to their views before posting it to the masses. > >Hummm...As one of "the masses," this attitude makes me a little uncomfortable. >One of the things I most enjoy about this list is everybody's willingness >to share techniques, sources for parts, recipes, and ideas. I recognize >that magicians and illusionists have an interest in keeping secrets secret, >but isn't another ongoing thread about how presentation of an effect is >paramount, with the mechanical aspect only secondary? Hi Andy, I think you know I agree with your opinion. After the short debate last year about this, I only thought it would be wise for newer folks to take the input of magicians on the list into consideration. Personally I think a magician's secrets are no more important than a plumber's secrets, skill and presentation being everything. I consider myself one of the masses since I am not a practicing magician or illusionist, I have a library of books on magic that qualifies me only as an armchair enthusiast. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 08:24:37 1997 From: DOKK%mimi@magic.itg.ti.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:10:35 CST To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp Loel (Or Should The Secret be Revealed) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: dokk@msg.ti.com Subj: Re: Tromp Loel (Or Should The Secret be Revealed) Thought I'd throw in my 2cents. I have been in the past an illusionist/ Magician. I currently perform magic/small illusions and puppetry. I'm not sure of the effect in question as I haven't finished reading the thread yet. As a member of the International Brotherhood of Magicians, I am bound by the code of ethics as to not reveal secrets to the general public. So what constitues the general public? To me that would be the person who just wants to know how it is done so he can show how smart he is. I think if you want to know how it is done so you can duplicate the effect and perform it, then I personally don't see any problem with letting them know how it's done. I personally have taught individuals magic secrets so that they could perform them for their friends and family (they will never be big stars)(nor for that matter will I ever be a Copperfield). So to sum this all up. I think if you have an effect that you think would be great for this group. (Those of us that use these ideas to build and further our own personal haunts). Then I see no problem with the posting of said ideas on how to do it. My 2cents anyway, Dokktor From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 08:25:06 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:10:41 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com revcoal@connix.com; >It's "Trompe l'oil", I believe... Depends on what you use for the painting. Could also be "Trompe l'fresco," "Trompe l'pastels," or "Trompe l'spraypaint." :^) Actually, the term comes from the French "fool the eye" and is spelled, as best I can do on this keyboard, "trompe l'oeil." I think you need a special "oe" character to make the French happy. [As if you could _ever_ make the French happy!] I found some nice examples at http://www.x-design.com/Faux.html. :Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 09:00:02 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:52:26 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny: ------------------------------ >Hi Kathy, >Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you >to play with. Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 09:25:45 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:16:51 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Herbert Becker Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > Picking up a razor to shave in the morning is scarier than Becker's pathetic > presentation. > Denny But WHY is he doing it? Is it just money? Does he have some vendetta against professional magicians? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 10:04:23 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:54:35 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Herbert Becker Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>At 07:12 AM 2/28/97 -0800, you wrote: >>>Have any of the magicians on this list heard of Herbert Becker? Good god, is this the topic from hell. Anywhere on the net I go, guess what I see Herbert Becker!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 10:17:35 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:00:47 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com WHOA! Did I start all this.. Man. >Just an aside... >Didn't Disney project images on water mist many years ago in their evening >water show at Epcot? Yes that was and still is going on. Take a pipe, put nozzels on it to create some mist {Mist, not fog, you know the stuff that comes out of a gardon hose} Shine a laser on it VOLIA! >I don't know where in development Jay FAILED but... >Jay knows his theatrical lighting and effects, I have little doubt he could >figure it out. No, not your exact method but his own very workable system. Bascily, it wasnt powerfull enough. I need a brighter projectr. I could rent one, but I am not intrested enough in it at the moment to spend 300$ dollers just for a 2 day rental. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 11:00:36 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 12:53:36 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Herbert Becker Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:16 AM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > >> Picking up a razor to shave in the morning is scarier than Becker's pathetic >> presentation. >> Denny > >But WHY is he doing it? Is it just money? Me thinks so. >Does he have some vendetta >against professional magicians? Beats me, It looks like a lack of talent kept him from being a performer. I really have no idea but it was embarrassing to watch that show. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 11:08:53 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:54:35 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Tromp Loel (Or Should The Secret be Revealed) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com As a magician and a haunt-a-holic, I'd like to comment on this topic. First, magic is kept secret so as to perserve the art. Basically, if everyone knew how magic was done, it wouldn't be very magical and hence not be very entertaining. Second, "secret" is relative. Certainly there are magicins who teach others, there are how to video, books and cassettes. Heck, we aren't born magicians. So, you get the secrets from some source outside yourself. Third, you can access these secrets through your public library or by purchasing tricks, books and so on from a magic dealer. Fourth, fo some magicians, the sale of books, videos and effects are part of their income. To purchase an effect and then make it public is sorta like buying a peice of software, copying it and giving it to everyone you know. Is it fair to the person who wrote that book or created that effect. Finally, some "magic" appears in other venues. So, we find "magic" illusions described in some of the haunetd house literature as haunt effects. I certainly wouldn't buy a video from one of our haunt vendors, copy and offer copies to everyone I know. On the other hand, if you asked me about one of the techniques invilved, I probably would be willing to dicsuss it freely. Magic is a little different in that unlike all other performing arts, its effectiveness relies on the audience being unaware of the methods used. No recommendations here. Just trying to inform. Rick Hill From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 12:01:54 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 13:51:44 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:52 AM 3/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >Denny: >------------------------------ >>Hi Kathy, >>Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you >>to play with. > >Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? > >Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) Hi Jim, No, I suspect that to get a blood red the filtering needed to "tone down" a regular bright red cuts out too much of the UV going in.? The darkest red UV paint I've seen is still pretty bright like a tail light. The only glowing blood red things, neon tubes, lights etc., I've ever seen depended on heavy filtering, otherwise, it's a bright red. I'm sure there are other people on the list that know a lot more than me on this. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 12:39:44 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:20:04 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is spelled!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What's French for: "Oh, brother! He's gonna babble endlessly about magic again! Where's my pillow!?!?"? :) I have yet to be disappointed in the amount of consideration of the opinions and beliefs of others displayed on this list. In that spirit, I'll share my opinion on the matter and leave it to the reader to decide on its validity. (I'll try to be brief as more verbose versions of my opinions on secrecy have already been posted to the list in the past.) My general philosophy regarding the keeping of magical secrets can be summarized as "Do not reveal current magical methodologies to the general public." Although I have yet to find a true exception, I view this philosophy as a mere guideline rather than a hard-and-fast rule "etched-in-stone, signed- in-blood, holding true for all eternity." I would not be surprised to find some situation in the future which caused me to modify this ideal. In my opinion, discussing on the list the secrets of the lady-to-witch transformation wouldn't violate my personal philosophy for a few reasons. First, I don't think that the members of this list would fit into *the general public.* (...in more ways than one ) Those who have made the effort to subscribe to this list and take the time to read the posts (especially those with subject lines they don't understand on first glance), are demonstrating an active interest in Halloween and all of the fun and merriment that goes with it. As such, they probably recognize that sharing the methods behind our madness does not enhance that haunt attendees' experiences. Rather, it deprives them of some of the psychologically masochistic enjoyment for which they're paying. Second, (if I'm thinking of the same illusion,) the effect in question hardly classifies as a *current magical methodology.* I would classify it as an antiquated and virtually-forgotten (and, hence, quite powerful) special effect. I would be truly shocked to see any modern magician performing this effect as a full-fledged trick. I could see it as an added effect in the presentation of another illusion, such as Metamorphosis, but not as a *stand-alone* routine. As such, I feel it would be quite suitable for discussion on this list and possible use in our haunts (great and small). Third, (again if I'm thinking of the same illusion,) the true secret of this effect lies not in the mechanics of the equipment and/or costuming, but rather in the showmanship (*showpersonship*??) of the performer and the overall presentation. Props do not make magic, they merely facilitate the actions. Just because I know the design characteristics that make the linking rings physically possible, that doesn't mean I can't be impressed or even caught off-guard by a well-rehearsed and entertaining performance of the routine. (BTW, an example of this kind of routine was decidedly NOT demonstrated on a recent talk show... But that's another rant.) One other note concerning the age of this trick. Simply because an effect was regarded as a magic trick at one time, does not necessarily mean it must be considered one still today. Long, long ago, (in a theatre far, far away) the production of moving pictures - and, before that, the production of light without flames - was presented by magicians as a miracle and produced astonishment and even fear in audiences. Today, of course, we recognize these to be the useful products of scientific advancement and no magician should get upset at discussions of their workings. (This does not, however, mean that simply because a magic trick is old, it is fair game to give away. See the above statements on the linking rings.) Personally, I think I'd enjoy discussing this effect in detail. As always, this post represents only my opinion and you are free to disregard or disparage any or all of it at will. Dave Kiihne - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 13:14:50 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:07:02 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > At 09:52 AM 3/3/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Denny: > >------------------------------ > >>Hi Kathy, > >>Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you > >>to play with. > > > >Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? > > > >Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) > > Hi Jim, > No, I suspect that to get a blood red the filtering needed to "tone down" a > regular bright red cuts out too much of the UV going in.? > The darkest red UV paint I've seen is still pretty bright like a tail light. > > The only glowing blood red things, neon tubes, lights etc., I've ever seen > depended on heavy filtering, otherwise, it's a bright red. > I'm sure there are other people on the list that know a lot more than me on > this. > DennyIt sounds to me like you're going at this from the wrong direction. It's been more than a dozen years since I took physics, but as I recall, a "black light" is designed to operate in the ultra-violet end of the lighting spectrum. I believe that red is on the opposite end of visible light spectrum from violet. Therefore, you are trying to use a light source to show off red colors which isn't even designed to produce red wavelength light. I would think you might do better to start with and infrared light source if you want to bring reds out. Neil Faber From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 14:01:44 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 13:57:04 -0800 From: Spook To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Try Wildfire Fluorescent Dyes. (310)645-7787 http://www.Wildfirela.com uvfx@wildfirela.com We used an assorted selection of their colors this year under blacklight. Excellent results! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 14:20:13 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:16:11 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: (Long!) Halloween and Hoola Hoops Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: (deleted) > Is the Halloween and Haunted House Building Boom here to stay or is it a new found fad that will eventually die like the Hoola Hoop? (sorry this is late, I've been away... hope this isn’t a ‘dead’ issue!) My2c: The haunted house / halloween industry is actually becoming just that: an industry. The same thing that happens to all growth industries is happening to the haunted house / halloween ‘business’. For example, many years ago, dressing up for halloween meant you had to design and build your own costume, because purchase options were pretty slim outside of the 'classic' horror monster masks/costumes and tubes of fake blood. Now, many manufacturers are making an incredible assortment of almost anything that can be worn (or attached) to a person. I'm not sure if costume creativity is dead, or the costume ‘boom’ will continue, but personally I've seen enough Poco-haunt-us costumes to last a long time (although I've seen some creative variations!)... For many years, building a haunt meant figuring out all the details yourself, and building up a personal creation - truly a labor of love - it is just too much work otherwise! But the same growth that has hit the costume market has gone 'upscale' to the haunt itself. Where just a few years ago you could only find creative, one-of-a-kind houses & haunts around your town - now a few folks have figured out how to 'package' a 'product' for sale to anyone who can afford the price tag. Poof! “fast-food” haunts. And, just like hamburgers, there are good ones and bad ones (apologies to vegetarians) - some worth the money and some not. The best burgers are not always found at fast food houses, the best costumes do not always come from a store, the best haunted house does not always come pre-packaged (MHO). The thing that bothers me is that the haunted house appears to be evolving into a 'product', not a creation. Does this doom the haunt? Does this bloat/collapse the market? I think the answer is (a qualified) Yes to both questions. The haunt will continue to evolve and become something quite different than it is today. More creative, more exciting, more better scary! Or it won’t be around at all... The ‘fast food’ haunts will probably continue to spring up everywhere until the market is saturated, then those who are in it only for the money will eventually leave or sell out. Will this damage the haunted house business? Only if the creative owner/operators give up... The experience is what customers pay for. Word of mouth will ‘make-or-break’ a haunt faster than anything! Only the boring, ‘just-not-worth-it’ haunts will fail. An exciting, scary experience will draw customers. Those who are into halloween and the haunted house experience for the love of it will continue to provide their patrons with a great time, because they love the holiday! AND we will forever have the quality, one-of-a-kind haunts that will continue to attract audiences, because there just isn’t a replacement for a unique, quality experience! But, apparently there is also a place for the ‘fast-food’ variety haunt. They will come and go. (...and they continue to build new fast-food places everywhere...) Those in the haunt business for the money will miss the point, spend too much trying to make their attraction ‘attract’, and eventually give up, and move on. BTY, I've been noticing several comments about 'portable crankthru' houses. Is the issue: the experience, how they are run, or how the guests are run through them? Whew, sorry for the long rant... -this is an interesting topic.... JMHO....thanks for reading this far... Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 14:28:45 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:20:48 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com allconen@btigate.com wrote: > I would think you might do better to start with and infrared light source > if you want to bring reds out. > This list is getting really scary! ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 14:50:39 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:32:16 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:07 PM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >> >Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? >> > >> >Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) >> >> Hi Jim, >> No, I suspect that to get a blood red the filtering needed to "tone down" a >> regular bright red cuts out too much of the UV going in.? >> The darkest red UV paint I've seen is still pretty bright like a tail light. >> >> The only glowing blood red things, neon tubes, lights etc., I've ever seen >> depended on heavy filtering, otherwise, it's a bright red. >> I'm sure there are other people on the list that know a lot more than me on >> this. > Denny >It sounds to me like you're going at this from the wrong direction. It's >been more than a dozen years since I took physics, but as I recall, a >"black light" is designed to operate in the ultra-violet end of the >lighting spectrum. I believe that red is on the opposite end of visible >light spectrum from violet. >Therefore, you are trying to use a light source to show off red colors >which isn't even designed to produce red wavelength light. Hi Neil, I am not trying to achieve the effect myself, only reporting back to Jim that I've never seen a UV fluorescing dye that would produce a blood red. Red yes, not blood red. The colors at which UV dyes and pigments fluoresce are not only dependant on the wave length of the UV source and intensity but just as importantly on the combinations of fluorescing minerals (fluorspar is a biggie) in the mix. Many dyes and pigments are not pure fluorescent minerals and have organic colorings added to them which act as filters for the visible light being emitted. But... I think you're basically right. "Colder" colors seem much easier for manufacturers to produce, except a good blue. I've also not seen any deep blue dyes and very few pigments. Blue-whites are a dime a dozen. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 15:18:04 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:06:26 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:07 PM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >milwiron@btprod.com wrote: >> >> At 09:52 AM 3/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >Denny: >> >------------------------------ >> >>Hi Kathy, >> >>Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you >> >>to play with. >> > >> >Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? >> > >> >Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) Just wanted to add- In my other posts I mentioned "I've never seen a blood red UV dye". That in no way means it doesn't exist, only that I've never run across it in my limited experiences. Hopefully it's available, it would make many on this list happy campers. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 15:24:44 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:17:57 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Excellent source - thanks! [looks like they stopped finishing their Web pages though?] as far as the physics of light goes: I don't think that the fact that red is farthest from the violet end (UV light end) of the visible spectrum makes red any less available through the reflective properties of UV dyes, paints, etc. UV reflective reds certainly exist in spray paints, for instance. Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) ============================================================ At 01:57 PM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >Try Wildfire Fluorescent Dyes. > >(310)645-7787 >http://www.Wildfirela.com > >uvfx@wildfirela.com > >We used an assorted selection of their colors this year under >blacklight. Excellent results! > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 15:50:27 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:00:21 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Toys! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just got the new BrainStorms catalog (1-800-231-6000 or http://www.anatomical.com/) and I'm already drooling. There's a lot of Halloween-themed items that are on sale for big time savings. (Honest, I don't work for 'em.) Must consider the stuff "off season." Among the new (to me, at least) items of interest are: -A hand-shaped gelatin mold to go with the heart-and brain-shaped ones from last year. -A box of a dozen brain-shaped chocolate-covered cherries. -A pre-baked chocolate haunted house (a traditional gingerbread house is also available) -The Gross-Out Get Sick and Turn Blue Cookbook (That's really the name) ...and my all-time favorite -The Life-size Gurglin' Gutz Brain Ball (How can you not love something with a name like that?) ...And, of course, all our old favorites are still there, too. Glow-in-the-dark Skull candles, Newborn Evil in a jar, and a dozen "Grave A" mini-skulls (oh my). Time to start making out my shopping list. Dave -daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 15:50:42 1997 From: "D. Joseph Creighton" Subject: Yucks quote To: halloween-l@netcom.com ("The Hallowe'en-ies") Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:35:16 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a recent edition of the Yucks digest, I came across the following entry for a "Deep Thoughts"-like contest for children: I bet living in a nudist colony takes all the fun out of Halloween. -- Age 13 - Joe -- "Never let the truth interfere with a good story." -- Minnie Pearl http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP] | Programmer Analyst, Database Technologies, IST Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA | University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 18:35:48 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:17:00 -0700 Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For on thing, the FANTASMIC! water screen uses a sort of spinning head to create a vertical shower fan of water. Mist would go everywhere. They tried previously projecting from behind the crowd, but it failed. The foward projection works. A mist projection effect is used in the rat room on the Indy ride. It fails most of the time because of the car backwinds. Basically, two large fly fans blow a vertical sheet of air downwards, and a fogger sandwiches the mist in between the dual airsheets, sort of a mist sandwich. From there, the rats on the logs are projected. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 20:55:03 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:52:42 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Hi Denny Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Denny, I have been lagging!! I broke my ankle, had a attack of gallstones, and have had several ill older family members...it has been a real great year so far!! We are starting our planning!! We have the whole front of the place worked out, now we need to start laying out the inside!! I will love to play with some of the glow stuff!!! We have big plans for it!! How are your plans going??? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 3 23:12:51 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:08:55 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: PAST LIST DOCs (or TXT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-03 17:48:56 EST, you write: << Sender: owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Reply-to: halloween-l@netcom.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:07 PM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >> >Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? >> > >> >Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) >> >> Hi Jim, >> No, I suspect that to get a blood red the filtering needed to "tone down" a >> regular bright red cuts out too much of the UV going in.? >> The darkest red UV paint I've seen is still pretty bright like a tail light. >> >> The only glowing blood red things, neon tubes, lights etc., I've ever seen >> depended on heavy filtering, otherwise, it's a bright red. >> I'm sure there are other people on the list that know a lot more than me on >> this. > Denny >It sounds to me like you're going at this from the wrong direction. It's >been more than a dozen years since I took physics, but as I recall, a >"black light" is designed to operate in the ultra-violet end of the >lighting spectrum. I believe that red is on the opposite end of visible >light spectrum from violet. >Therefore, you are trying to use a light source to show off red colors >which isn't even designed to produce red wavelength light. Hi Neil, I am not trying to achieve the effect myself, only reporting back to Jim that I've never seen a UV fluorescing dye that would produce a blood red. Red yes, not blood red. I have only been on this list a few days and I am VERY impressed with the POOL of Knowledge. What do I need to do (even if I must PAY for it) to get a text based file that (I can load onto word for windows) of the old email contributions? I would like to make a keyword search for many topics that interest me. One of the disappointing aspects of this hobby (especially when I was in my teens) is that their is hardly any definitive books on the subject. I have searched in 3 countries in dozens of library’s and bookstores and have never had the luck to find what I thought was a decent and in depth book on Halloween haunted houses. (of coarse I have very particular taste in haunted houses, the Disneyland haunted mansion, that is the “scary” version that was shot down by Disney management, is my IDEAL example of a perfect haunted house. Even the watered down version is the classic I strive for with my HH) I learned by trial and error. ( a slow and painful procces...) Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @--'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 00:55:51 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:29:02 -0700 Subject: Re: (Long!) Halloween and Hoola Hoops To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com IMHO, I think that one who purchases a crank through prepackaged haunted house also purchases effects to go with it. They would tend to be into it for the money rather than the love of it. Call me in the latter category. Cliff, I think you got it squarely on the head that the shake-outs will get those who do it only for the money. Leaves the field open to us who love it joyously and want to keep it going.... and for a small plug, if you are around Carrolton, Texas, try out Castle Dragon. Very much a labor of love with fun actors. No crank through garbage there! Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 01:14:04 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:25:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is sp To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com speaking of the linking rings, the most delightful presentation I have ever seen was at a magic trade show convention me and my best friend and another friend attended. There was a small stage show for a cash prize, sort of an out-magic each other. A very interesting lady named Marguerite used the classic Linking Rings, but presented it as a mid-eastern dance. bout 5 minutes, and definitely getting the audience going. Very graceful and a joy to watch. nobody in the audience was unaware of the method, naturally, but it was still a joy to watch. Some kids did some fantastic sleight of hand tricks, with THE most nimble fingers I have ever seen in my life. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 02:55:39 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:18:46 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jay You failed because you don’t know the right way to do it! I used a 200 watt slid projector, costs $10 from a thrift store... I have no intention of trying to patent it, I don’t know WERE anyone got that Idea... In fact it will be published in my book next year. by the way, I am NOT pushing my book, the publisher thinks I will get $10,000 to $20,000 over all. You all know that a even one good HH can make twice that in profits. I only wrote the book for personal reasons. My discussion on the water "hologram" was merely illustrating the fact that Disney has the style, money and highly educated trained and skilled engineers; but creativity CAN be used inplace of knowledge. The equipment needed is cheap, and the basic idea is an old one. But most people fall into a trap of OVER complicating a solution. K,I,S,S, (keep it simple stupid) is a motto I live by because I DON’T Have advanced training in engineering. It bothers me because I am VERY creative but I don’t have what it takes to earn an advanced DEGREE. This is not a put down on engineers, I truly wish I could measure up to one. I am just "touchy" about creativity because that’s all I have going for me! Jay, from what others have told me, you can figure out the problem you were having if you work at it, I encourage you to keep trying. I would go ahead and just post the method I discovered but I am new and I have been getting a lot of negative feedback on reveling magicians secrets. I kind of thought everyone who did HH was a type of magician, but I guess I am alone in the desire for a EFFECTS heavy haunted house. The HH that use gore and "startlezones" seem to have me outnumbered :< So If will limit my contributions to "cost efficiency" and "presentation". Which is the only other HH skills I excel at... Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @--'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 03:04:35 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 05:58:59 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Halloween and Hoola Hoops (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:26 PM 2/27/97 -0600, you wrote: >While I credit it with helping to save Halloween I think it has also >been responsible for robbing some of the creativity halloween use to >celebrate.For example, when I was a child (a long time ago) almost all >costumes were hand made (back then children could even dress as a little >devil without anyone even batting an eye),now days it is all to rare >that I don't see a child wearing a commercially cookie-cutter processed, >costume. I've visited for the past two years Stu's Elementary School Haunt. The majority of the costumes that the kids (and the parents) wear are mostly handmade. They have their share of purchased props and accessories, but I've seen some pretty imaginative ones there too. It is always a pleasant surprise. I do hate the cookie cutter "insert current TV show character here" smock that you see in the stores. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 03:36:30 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 05:26:04 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:17 PM 3/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >Excellent source - thanks! [looks like they stopped finishing their Web >pages though?] Did they have your blood red UV fluorescent pigment? Or just the typical bright, tail light red? >as far as the physics of light goes: I don't think that the fact that red >is farthest from the violet end (UV light end) of the visible spectrum >makes red any less available through the reflective properties of UV dyes, >paints, etc. >UV reflective reds certainly exist in spray paints, for >instance. I think you're confusing visible light (Day-Glo) fluorescent paints/pigments and UV fluorescent paints and pigments. While most visible light fluorescents/Day-Glos will fluoresce under black light, not all will. UV fluorescent pigments and dyes do not necessarily look like Day-glo, in fact they're usually just an off white color with a very slight color tint. Red-ish fluorescing pigments exist under both. I'm not sure what is meant by "UV reflective reds", is this a term Wild Fire uses? Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 05:20:09 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:39:37 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In the last show, Denny wrote; >While most visible light fluorescents/Day-Glos will fluoresce under black >light, not all will. >UV fluorescent pigments and dyes do not necessarily look like Day-glo, in >fact they're usually just an off white color with a very slight color tint. >Red-ish fluorescing pigments exist under both. I have tinkered with UV pigments/paints on occasion and in a nutshell, the best advice given to me was: "Remember when you mix UV paints, you are mixing LIGHT not COLOR...a UV "Yellow and blue" will not be the expected green:)..A big help was getting a color-gel sheet like used by theater light directors (to get an idea of the color desired), and several small (1oz.-2oz) samples of the paints...Go into a room with UV light (blacklight) and play. Saves time wondering what does what...Make a chart with the colors mixed and the end color. Results can be "purple" to a dark pink...but my color-eye is not that great either...Have fun and tinker with the paints, 30 min worth of "study" is far better than 3 weeks of reading what can be done. And yes WILDFIRE has some killer stuff. Mix and have fun, use what you like best... Hope this helps, John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 06:55:22 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 06:51:17 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: >I DON’T > Have advanced training in engineering. It bothers me because I am VERY > creative but I don’t have what it takes to earn an advanced DEGREE. > > This is not a put down on engineers, I truly wish I could measure up to one. > I am just "touchy" about creativity because that’s all I have going for me! Jerry, I've worked with MANY engineers with zero creativity. Techno-zombies. I'm now working in a field (sofware enginering) in which I don't have a degree. And getting paid quite well for it! ;-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 07:24:02 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:17:52 -0700 Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry, for the sake of the list, can I ask you to please modify your approach on here? For example: jay You failed because you dont know the right way to do it! I used a 200 watt slid projector, costs $10 from a thrift store... I have no intention of trying to patent it, I dont know WERE anyone got that Idea... In fact it will be published in my book next year. The above is a VERY defensive and insulting reply about something. First off, there is no "right way" for any required system or effect or anything. You can almost always find an alternate method. You insult Jar for revealing his work on something. The idea behind feedback is hints and criticism to allow a person to do their thing better. The list has always had an informal criticism attitude, a positive synergy. Doug or Denny or anyone can post up a method, Kathy or me will then reply with a comment or a suggestion to iprove it. In this way, the whole group enjoys input into making an effect or room much better. Safety discussions come up along with social ramifications and other topics related. In this way, the whole group contributes to each effect or topic discussed, making a fuller and more varied bit of knowledge. We all do this freely and happilu. by the way, I am NOT pushing my book, the publisher thinks I will get $10,000 to $20,000 over all. You all know that a even one good HH can make twice that in profits. I only wrote the book for personal reasons. May we ask the personal reasons? And no, we do NOT know that a good HH can make from 10 to 20 grand. It's not a given in here. Nice thing to know, if you can back up the statement. I will be finding such data useful in here, eventually. One thing is, the group is a friendly bunch. At this point, most of us are friends on here. We will be arranging meets and events and generally having fun, bound by the silver thread of the mailing list. I have been able to expand my knowledge of the HH business as well as know some very nice people all around. No matter what their level is, whether they are haunters, business retailers or people doing their front lawn, we are all accepted in here. by the way, I am NOT pushing my book, the publisher thinks I will get $10,000 to $20,000 over all. You all know that a even one good HH can make twice that in profits. I only wrote the book for personal reasons. Jay, from what others have told me, you can figure out the problem you were having if you work at it, I encourage you to keep trying. I would go ahead and just post the method I discovered but I am new and I have been getting a lot of negative feedback on reveling magicians secrets. I kind of thought everyone who did HH was a type of magician, but I guess I am alone in the desire for a EFFECTS heavy haunted house. The HH that use gore and "startlezones" seem to have me outnumbered :< So If will limit my contributions to "cost efficiency" and "presentation". Which is the only other HH skills I excel at... (whoops, buffer flow there :( Being new is one thing. I don't see a problem with basic and classic magic secrets being discussed in here, along with any other effects. The discussion came up not to find secrets but as in magic being a part of a haunt. This would be nice, as my best friend is a magician. You note that a lot of the discussion was not the mere mechanical secrets but other aspects such as presentation and where it would all fit in our general showmanship. And in terms of an effects heavy haunted house, I will have to admit a personal bias. I do not enjoy a haunted house composed of special effects at great cost. I prefer a homemade haunted house with live actors who are having fun in their various playlets and scares. If you read the archives, we have discussed *3* types of scares, and gore and startles are only two of them. You may wish to refer back to them. Also, I am a little peeved by your end comments. HH was a type of magician, but I guess I am alone in the desire for a THAT is a negative and attacking line if I ever saw one. You paint yourself in the corner like a sulky child, not willing to see that the list is various points of view. You present your way as the only way, all others being wrong. In that, you have insulted every member of the list. So If will limit my contributions to "cost efficiency" and "presentation". Which is the only other HH skills I excel at... I am sorry, but those would bring up the bias as well. One discussion ongoing in here about the onslaught of people who consider it a business. From your tone, you sound like a business type who would invest in a crank through by Elm St. and think of it in terms of payback period. Youwould faithfully attend the trade show, making business contacts each year. I cannot call this a wrong approach, since there are all different kinds. Some on the list, myself included sort of disdain this approach. There is one point the business type completely forgets: We do the Halloween holiday because we *LOVE* it. On the list, all of us enjoy the season and enjoy the activities. Sure, there are times to be professional, but not for this group, if we can help it. Our love is very informal, and for those who do HH types, we do it for the love of it, gettin actors and friends with everyon having a joyous time. Our guests enjoy the personal treatment more than a special effects laden big budget haunt. Our actor types can be clever and do all sorts of things to have more fun with the guests. No one gets the same haunt twice. The human touch is there and the mood is infectious. Basically, we turn our haunt and yards into pleasurezones. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 07:34:05 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 07:25:08 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: (sofware enginering) I also don't have a degree in software engineering. :-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 07:59:55 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:37:58 -0500 (EST) From: Lund To: PBres@aol.com Subject: Re: Trash can Truma Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 PBres@aol.com wrote: > I enjoyed the article on the trash can trauma and am going to try to > incorporate it into my halloween display this year. In the article it > mentioned a part 2 in which light and sound would be discussed. Is that part > available? If so can I get a copy? > > thanks, > Patrick Breslin > I received this off list, but am replying to the list as other's might be interested. Carl never gave me the writeup for his portable version, but I can tell you that it had some old, old freon cans (2) inside that he filled with air. (you cant do that with the new ones, They won't accept input.) He also had a 12v car battery to power everything. He converted the 12v to 110ac to activate the valves. Other than that, he used an old garage door opener module and remote to trigger it. It really works great, as it is completely free standing. As far as the air goes, I guess you could use anything that will hold air as not much air is used for each triggering. As far as light and sound go, he put a 12v dc air horn inside which is enough to scare the pants off anyone anyway. A light could also be incorporated as well. I will probably modify mine this year to add a light of some sort. I also use a bicycle air horn (rubber bulb removed) attached to my air supply which works well. Carl still hasn't bought a replacement computer yet as he is strapped for cash. The new house on the water is draining him right now. Later.............. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us llund179@aol.com Phone: (516)-231-8790 Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 08:35:19 1997 From: krish@allinfosys.com (Kristopher A Slocum) To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: Toys! Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:15:48 -0600 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2885.0F594000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, I've been lurking on this list for a while now and just decided to leep = out of the shadows. This catalog is a great source of small halloween = items. I have the heart, hand and brain molds myself and have grossed = out many people with them... That's the point. Right ??? Shadowcat ---------- From: David Kiihne[SMTP:DAVEKI@nebfef.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 1997 5:00 PM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Toys! Just got the new BrainStorms catalog (1-800-231-6000 or=20 http://www.anatomical.com/) and I'm already drooling. There's a lot of Halloween-themed items that are on sale for big time=20 savings. (Honest, I don't work for 'em.) Must consider the stuff "off=20 season." Among the new (to me, at least) items of interest are: -A hand-shaped gelatin mold to go with the heart-and brain-shaped ones=20 from last year. -A box of a dozen brain-shaped chocolate-covered cherries. -A pre-baked chocolate haunted house (a traditional gingerbread house=20 is also available) -The Gross-Out Get Sick and Turn Blue Cookbook (That's really the name) ...and my all-time favorite -The Life-size Gurglin' Gutz Brain Ball (How can you not love something=20 with a name like that?) ...And, of course, all our old favorites are still there, too. =20 Glow-in-the-dark Skull candles, Newborn Evil in a jar, and a dozen=20 "Grave A" mini-skulls (oh my). Time to start making out my shopping list. 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Here's a great way to build durable, inexpensive rock or brick walls for caverns or dungeons (my favorite places). Materials: Wall base (plywood, styrofoam or sheetrock panels with framing support) - Sheetrock/gypsum board joint compound (in the 5gal bucket) - Paint (1-2gal. -the cheaper the better) - Cement walkway form (around $20 from Home Depot). - 4"-6" paint scraper. - paint mixer attachment to a drill (or a stick..) - paint roller and/or brush - drop cloths/plastic - cleanup rags, water The process: Build up the panels. I like using plywood with a 2x4 frame attached with sheetrock screws. Decide on what finish you want up front - this determines the form you buy (brick or stone) and the colors of paint you will buy/scrounge: black and white paint for a rock finish; red, white, and black paint for a brick finish. and whatever paint is lying around for accent colors! BEFORE Starting: cover the area with a drop cloth or plastic sheet. This process is very messy. Joint compound will cover everything, but it will wash out. How do I know this? My ex-dog ran through joint compound on his way into the house... but that is another story... I'll talk about the stone finish first: 1) Paint the base (I used plywood) with thinned black paint to seal the plywood and to show as the seams between the 'stones'. 2) Mix black paint into the joint compound. (I used a paint mixer with a drill to help the mixing - using a stick to mix will definitely give you a workout!). Keep mixing and adding paint until the joint compound is a dark grey (is it grey or gray?) color. Note: the joint compound will be a couple shades lighter after it dries. 3) Use the paint scraper (or trowel) and liberally spread the joint compound over the entire surface. IMPORTANT NOTE: don't be skimpy! the sloppier/thicker it is the better!. 4) Use the cement form and press/wiggle it into the joint compound until it is firmly seated against the plywood (squeezing out the compound), then remove the form. Turn the form around until it matches the edge on the wall, the repeat. Keep going until the entire wall has the pattern. 5) Scrape the edge of the paint scraper along each line to accent the edge, or use the edge of a small piece of wood. The idea is to reveal the black paint underneath. You can slop on more joint compound as you think you’ll need. Dont worry about being neat! (you do have the plastic sheet spread out don't you?) 6) Wipe the flat side of the scraper against the wall to add texture to the 'rocks'. Wetting the scraper blade helps. Let it all dry, away from the family (my daughter - handprints - sigh...). 7) After drying, use a small brush with a bit of thinned black paint to add detailing: accent edges, add/accent shadows, accent seams, etc. Age the stones with a bit of dark green paint applied with a stippling brush (or a rag). Now, for a brick finish: 1) Paint the base with thinned white paint mixed with just a little black to simulate a mortar look. Adding a ‘beige’ color will work too. Experiment! Paint to seal the base and to show as the seams between the 'bricks'. 2) Mix red paint with a little black paint into the joint compound for a red brick color - remember the joint compound will be a bit lighter when it dries. (I used a paint mixer with a drill to help the mixing). Keep mixing and adding paint until the joint compound is a medium to dark red color. 3) Use the paint scraper (or trowel) and liberally spread the joint compound over the entire surface - IMPORTANT NOTE: don't be skimpy! the sloppier/thicker it is the better!. 4) Use the brick form and press/wiggle it into the joint compound until it is firmly seated against the plywood (squeezing out the compound), then remove it. Turn the form around until it matches the edge on the wall, the repeat. Keep going until the entire wall has the pattern. 5) Use a small piece of wood about the size of the mortar seam to scrape away the brick color. The idea is to reveal the mortar-colored paint underneath. You need to be just a bit neater than stone for a brick finish - but not a whole lot! 6) Wipe the flat side of the scraper against the wall to smooth the texture of the 'bricks' - but dont smooth too much. Let it dry. Age the bricks with a bit of dark green paint applied with a stippling brush or rag (like the stone finish). Add thin ‘streak’ details in the brick using whatever colors and brushes you have handy. Ta da! portable stone or brick walls. Each panel costs about $25-$30 including plywood, 2x4's, joint compound and paint. A complete panel can be constucted from scratch in about 4 hours. I can do one now in about 2 hours. Cleanup is easy, just wash out the tools and child with water, and wrap up the dog in the plastic sheet. - just kidding - I washed the dog, too :) Use a light along the side to accent the pattern, it looks great! The walls can be assembled side-by-side either straight or on angles. The seam between the panels may be ignored if it is real dark in the haunt (no kidding, they just ‘seam’ to disappear...), or you can add a styrofoam post painted dark brown hide the seam and simulate a support for a 'mine shaft' look. I’ve got several of these (about 20) and they’re very durable and look great! The only thing to watch is the panels get heavy and take up room in the basement. Happy haunts! Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 14:03:32 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:55:57 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay... Now that everyone is fighting here.. ;) Well, I would like to say a few things and hope that this will end the disscussion on this whole topic. Most people know that this list has a bit... Make that ALOT of in-jokes, kidding around and just basic foolishness. Now, I dont take anyone to be mad at me unless I get a E-mail from them {Not to the list, mind you but TO ME} stateing this. {I just think these types of things should be a privte communaction} With that, someone could easly say something {Giveing that this is the internet} one way and have it come out a differnt way. What I am saying here is that I am not mad at anyone, I hope no-one is mad at me or any other list memember. Were all here for one thing and that is Halloween, so lets just keep shareing ideas and improving ideas so we can have fun next Oct 31.! Okay, I hope that basiclys sums it up.. Any questions about that please keep it off the list and E-mail to me at Thelazer@vivanet.com Jay "Not mad, mean, or hatefull towards anyone" ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 14:42:40 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 17:34:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I wanna build a small bottle, that when it smashes and breaks, (SMALL) a white (or other color) smoke kinda leaks out, it doen't have to Poof! but that would be nice!! I was thinking on useing 2 chemicals that when mixed togeather, produce a HARMLESS white smoke, but I don't know of those chemicals. What I could do is take a bottle that i have now: | | ---- ----- | | ___________ and section it off into 2 sections by cutting the bottle in half and re-gluing it togeather with hot glue, with a division of plexy glass between the 2 sections. | | |--- | | | ---- ----- | chemical 1 | ---------------- But most people fall into a trap of OVER complicating a solution. >K,I,S,S, (keep it simple stupid) is a motto I live by because I DON'T >Have advanced training in engineering. It bothers me because I am VERY >creative but I don't have what it takes to earn an advanced DEGREE. >This is not a put down on engineers, I truly wish I could measure up to one. >I am just "touchy" about creativity because that's all I have going for me! Without the creative thinkers, engineers don't have projects to work on. While many old school engineers still think the entire world works for them, you'll find quite a few around today that readily admit they aren't creative and work for the free thinking originators and designers. We all do what we enjoy and also do what we tend to be good at. We're all here on Halloween-L to learn and share. You belong to a wonderful list that's full of amazingingly creative people (not me, I'm a gear head). All take a humble approach to what they do. Anyone on this list who has visited your web page may call you out for a duel at high noon when you refer to yourself as a "master hauntrepreneur". Them is mighty strong words in this here town. > but I am new and I have been getting a lot of >negative feedback on reveling magicians secrets. All the responses I saw posted to the list were positive and encouraging. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 15:17:12 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:37:09 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:34 PM 3/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >I wanna build a small bottle, that when it smashes and breaks, (SMALL) a >white (or other color) smoke kinda leaks out, it doen't have to Poof! but >that would be nice!! I was thinking on useing 2 chemicals that when mixed >togeather, produce a HARMLESS white smoke, but I don't know of those chemicals. (picture snip) >and when the bottle is violently smashed, most of the chemical will mix >togeather, creating a smoke. Now the question is..... What SAFE chemicals, >or does anyone else have any ideas to produce a smoking bottle type thingy :) > >Thanx, >Kel >------Fiber Optic------ Argh! Glass! >EYES< = Blind :) Here is a quickie idea...Contact Tad At: A. Harlequin Costume (Tad you out there??) Ask if he can get you the "break-a-way" bottles, (beer-bottle looking in color/size). Get a small amount of dry-ice (tiny pieces less than 1/2" diamiter). Place a the tiny chunk in the bottle and some warm water to produce the "smoke". It breaks easy, and safe. An el' cheapo' smoking bottle! John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 15:39:33 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Wood To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Baking soda and vinegar will foam and create white smoke when mixed. The foaming effect is nice but I don't know if you will get the amount of smoke that you are looking for. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Fiber Optic wrote: > I wanna build a small bottle, that when it smashes and breaks, (SMALL) a > white (or other color) smoke kinda leaks out, it doen't have to Poof! but > that would be nice!! I was thinking on useing 2 chemicals that when mixed > togeather, produce a HARMLESS white smoke, but I don't know of those chemicals. > > What I could do is take a bottle that i have now: > > | | > ---- ----- > | | > ___________ > > and section it off into 2 sections by cutting the bottle in half and > re-gluing it togeather with hot glue, with a division of plexy glass between > the 2 sections. > > | | > |--- | > | | > ---- ----- > | chemical 1 | > ---------------- | chemical 2 | > | | > ---------------- > > and when the bottle is violently smashed, most of the chemical will mix > togeather, creating a smoke. Now the question is..... What SAFE chemicals, > or does anyone else have any ideas to produce a smoking bottle type thingy :) > > Thanx, > Kel > ------Fiber Optic------ > > Come check out Quake Clan Iris at: http://www.tiac.net/users/kaufmans/iris/ > `-Devolopmental Team > `-Kick Ass DM Team > > ------Fiberopt@pipeline.com------ > Nathan woodn@lbcc.cc.or.us sargon9271@aol.com ************************************************************************ How can you intergrate pi when the instructor will not tell you if it is apple or cherry? "The earth sucks at a constant rate." John Griffith Physics Instructor ************************************************************************ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 15:39:56 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 16:36:25 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween and Hoola Hoops Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > It will at least last ten years. That's what I've got my cemetery fence and gate amortized for. > Yeah, but when does the warranty expire? Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 19:13:35 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is sp Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 19:58:37 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:54:28 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jay I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusions, I misunderstood your first letter to me. I have a "defensive" complex and maybe I was too willing to unload when I thought I was under fire. Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @--'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 20:36:02 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:31:48 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: catalog/suing fog-long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com harry your letter was strange... You used the terms "US" and "WE", was this royal or are you speaking for everyone? I think you did to me what you say I was doing to jay.... but, I forgive you harry : ) jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 4 23:14:32 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:15:56 +0000 From: Tad Peters To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: member list follow up [Serious Banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I would like to express my sincere appreciation of hard work and 105% effort to Greg Hope for his compilation and distributoin of the subscribers list. 2 thumbs up Greg. -- Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 www.costumemagic.com <=- Web Page (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 03:57:41 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 03:47:12 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: member list follow up [Serious Banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Tad Peters wrote: > 2 thumbs up Greg. Clap clap clap clap! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 05:25:57 1997 From: BABES@delphi.com Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:05:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Halloween and Hoola Hoops (Part 2) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Could someone tell me how to get off this halloween list? ive tried time and again? anyone/ anne From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 05:56:13 1997 From: "Matthew Makowski" Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:53:11 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, everyone... I just normally sit back and read all the great ideas supplied by everyone on the list. But since I finally had a chance to watch TV last night (I was watching the Munsters). One thought came to my mind. Is there anyone else out there that wanted (or still wants) to live in the Munster House at 1313 Mockingbird Lane? I still love seeing the show because that is my ideal house. I could live in that house as is, even today. Just a thought........... Thanks Matt in Michigan From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 06:09:33 1997 To: BABES From: William E Rompala Date: 5 Mar 97 9:00:15 EDT Subject: Re: Halloween and Hoola Hoops (Part 2) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello Anne, First, you need to tell me why your email address is 'babes'. ;-) Actually, you need to send an email to: "listserv@NETCOM.COM": with the body of the message written as so: unsubscribe halloween-l BABES@delphi.com remember, that is halloween-lowercase L not halloween-number one. Be sure that you use uppercase BABES as some software is picky about that. Hope that helps! -W William BABES @ delphi.com 03/05/97 08:05 AM To: halloween-l @ netcom.com @ SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Halloween and Hoola Hoops (Part 2) Could someone tell me how to get off this halloween list? ive tried time and again? anyone/ anne From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 06:23:42 1997 To: Dave Bell From: William E Rompala Date: 5 Mar 97 8:53:54 EDT Subject: Linking Rings WAS: Re: Tromp loel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Everyone. Please, anyone that feels that they may want to respond to Dave's request for the linking rings- PLEASE do it off list via private email. Just flinched when I saw this hit the list. ;-) Thanks, William Rompala Member, SAM etc dbell @ bayarea.net (Dave Bell) 03/04/97 07:07 PM To: halloween-l @ netcom.com @ SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is sp OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 09:38:22 1997 From: Gregory Edwards Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is sp To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:24:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Toys'r Us has kids magic sets with linking rings. I bought a nice set from Rob's Magic Shop (nw Capitol Juggling NM -->see www.juggling.org for a phone number). Nice people. Greg > > OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, > *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry > them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" > the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and > was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an > engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, > but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? > > Dave > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 10:05:34 1997 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:14:32 -0500 (EST) From: Gerald A Thoma To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: animatronics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm looking for any sites that have information on animatronics, particularly construction images. Does anyone know of any out there? Thanks. __________________ Gerald Gthoma@polaris.umuc.edu __________________ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 10:34:00 1997 From: "D. Joseph Creighton" Subject: Halloween icons To: halloween-l@netcom.com ("The Hallowe'en-ies") Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:22:21 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Although I've known about these folks for a while, I just stumbled across the Halloween set today... Iconfactory (their motto: "macintosh icons that DON'T suck") has a set of Halloween icons in their warehouse. The quality of the icons made by these people are exceptional. I highly recommend any of their sets. The ubiquitous URL reference follows: http://www.iconfactory.com/factory/ Fear not, lowly PC folks. Iconfactory sets are being translated for use on your wintel machine. I can't say if the Halloween set made it yet (I wasn't able to reach the site), but check out the above site for the permanent link to the PC versions. - Joe -- "Logic...merely enables one to be wrong with authority." -- David Whitaker http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/ D. Joseph Creighton [ESTP] | Programmer Analyst, Database Technologies, IST Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA | University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 10:46:51 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 09:43:53 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Re: (Long!) Halloween and Hoola Hoops Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:29 PM 3/3/97 -0700, Harry/Dreamscape Systems wrote: >and for a small plug, if you are around Carrolton, Texas, try out Castle >Dragon. Very much a labor of love with fun actors. No crank through >garbage there! Yep, I second that. I try to visit them every year. Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 11:03:19 1997 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:19:45 +0000 From: Tad Peters To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Another "Holiday" - BANTER Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian D. Oberquell wrote: > > Blood is red, > Corpses are blue, > Revenge is sweet, > or: Lucky for me I'm stuck to you! -- Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 www.costumemagic.com <=- Web Page (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 11:15:19 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:47:08 +0000 From: Tad Peters To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic wrote: > > | | > |--- | > | | > ---- ----- > | chemical 1 | > ---------------- | chemical 2 | > | | > ---------------- When and if you find the chemicals, a better matermail than the plex-glass in the middle might be wax. The reason being that you can use already constructed bottles and then just melt a candle into the chemical 2. Godd luck -- Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 www.costumemagic.com <=- Web Page (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 11:23:40 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:53:40 +0000 From: Tad Peters To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > Argh! Glass! >EYES< = Blind :) > > Here is a quickie idea...Contact Tad At: A. Harlequin Costume (Tad you out > there??) > > Ask if he can get you the "break-a-way" bottles, (beer-bottle looking in > color/size). Get a small amount of dry-ice (tiny pieces less than 1/2" > diamiter). Place a the tiny chunk in the bottle and some warm water to > produce the "smoke". It breaks easy, and safe. An el' cheapo' smoking bottle! > > John. > ********************************* > * Mr.Scary Productions * > * http://www.mrscary.com * > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > * 1-812-824-8935 * > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > ********************************* Yes, I think that that is an even better idea. The breakaway bottles and wax. Wow, what minds. I mean, "What minds?" -- Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 www.costumemagic.com <=- Web Page (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 11:53:53 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:19:14 est From: "ECSTASY CRUISE STAFF" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Magic Exposure Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dear Friends, Being a professional magician and member of the Int. Brotherhood of Magicians, my ears perked up too! Please, it is bad enough with Maury Povich exposing magic. I feel if an effect directly pertains to a haunted attraction...Pepper's ghost, disembodied head, guillotine, etc. we can discuss these in an open forum, but exposure just for the fun of "knowing" will not benefit anyone. This is my first e-mail response since I have just joined the list, but I felt it important to voice my feelings on the "Ethics" of magic. Although most of you aren't magicians, I feel that if we make a choice to incorporate magic in our hauntings we should also try to abide by these rules. We had a rule in the magic shop I used to work in that went "the secret is told when the trick is sold." Please lets try to respect our magician brothers and their "Code of Ethics." By the way, if you have an interest in Joining the IBM (not the computer company) e-mail me at the below address and I will give you information. This is not an "promo" for the organization, but since most allied arts... jugglers, escape artists, ventriloquists, are welcome in the organization, I'm sure serious "Haunters" would be too. Respectfully Yours, Tim Harkleroad IBM Ring 58 eccruise@carnival.com (personal for Tim Harkleroad) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Linking Rings WAS: Re: Tromp loel Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at INTERNET Date: 3/5/97 9:51 AM Everyone. Please, anyone that feels that they may want to respond to Dave's request for the linking rings- PLEASE do it off list via private email. Just flinched when I saw this hit the list. ;-) Thanks, William Rompala Member, SAM etc dbell @ bayarea.net (Dave Bell) 03/04/97 07:07 PM To: halloween-l @ netcom.com @ SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is sp OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 12:20:14 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:04:09 -0700 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'd rather live in the Addams mansion... :-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 12:56:40 1997 From: krish@allinfosys.com (Kristopher A Slocum) To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:39:30 -0600 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2974.5AEF2B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, you're not the only one... Shadowcat ---------- From: Matthew Makowski[SMTP:mmakows3@ford.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 7:53 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... Hello, everyone... I just normally sit back and read all the great ideas supplied by everyone on the list. But since I finally had a chance to watch TV last night (I was watching the Munsters). One thought came to my mind. Is there anyone else out there that wanted (or still wants) to live in the Munster House at 1313 Mockingbird Lane? I still love seeing the