show because that is my ideal house. I could live in that house as is, even today. Just a thought........... 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Please e-mail me direct at- if you'd prefer to keep your reply confidential. Thanks much, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 14:04:40 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 16:59:03 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Doesn anyone know about this? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone know where I can download, or purchase simple instructions for the classic guillitean trick (head chopper) I am planning on adding 2 of them to my haunted attraction this year and I am still baffled after working on a few Ideas for over 2 hours last night. (I'm sure I feel really stupid after finding out the real soultion!!) Thanx Alot, Fiber Optic-Kel ------Fiber Optic------ Come check out Quake Clan Iris at: http://www.tiac.net/users/kaufmans/iris/ `-Devolopmental Team `-Kick Ass DM Team ------Fiberopt@pipeline.com------ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 14:30:49 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:26:56 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunted house books/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, how many people on the list are currently involved > in writing a book about producing haunted houses or some aspect of them? Look for my new How-to: "Resin fumes: It's cheaper than Beer" Fall 97. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 14:41:39 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 17:22:55 est From: "ECSTASY CRUISE STAFF" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: 1313 Mockingbird Lane..... Another one Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Matt in Mich, If not there, I saw a house abandon and for sale in my travels to Murfreesboro TN that fits the ticket. Prine for haunting. Brick, second empire style victorian, with Italianate features. 7ft. tall narrow windows, square tower in front covering doorway. Yow was it sweet. Address I believe was 803 Church St. Not sure about the number but St. name correct. In severely distressed state. Would love to buy it and haunt it, but not possible. What a house. Hmmmmmmmm. Tim ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at INTERNET Date: 3/5/97 4:25 PM ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2974.5AEF2B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, you're not the only one... Shadowcat ---------- From: Matthew Makowski[SMTP:mmakows3@ford.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 7:53 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... Hello, everyone... I just normally sit back and read all the great ideas supplied by everyone on the list. But since I finally had a chance to watch TV last night (I was watching the Munsters). One thought came to my mind. Is there anyone else out there that wanted (or still wants) to live in the Munster House at 1313 Mockingbird Lane? I still love seeing the show because that is my ideal house. I could live in that house as is, even today. Just a thought........... 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Jeffries" Subject: Re: Haunted house books/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:26 PM 3/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >milwiron@btprod.com wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity, how many people on the list are currently involved >> in writing a book about producing haunted houses or some aspect of them? > >Look for my new How-to: "Resin fumes: It's cheaper than Beer" >Fall 97. Hey Bob, Is this the sequel to: "Exhaust fan: Just breathe deeper" ?? John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 15:46:29 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:38:37 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunted house books/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > Hey Bob, > Is this the sequel to: "Exhaust fan: Just breathe deeper" ?? > > John I'd like to go on record by saying I've used casting resin, but I didn't inhale. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 15:56:20 1997 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:55:56 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: getting off.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Could someone tell me how to get off this halloween list? >ive tried time and again? >anyone/ >anne It is not possible. Well maybe someone more technicle than I can assist, but I think the only way to get off the list is to die. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 www.costumemagic.com <=- Web Page (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 16:08:47 1997 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 19:08:23 -0500 From: Rob Freeman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Sharing scaring! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver, I'd love to get a copy of your Haunted Attraction Magazine. I've been building a private haunt in my garage for 15 years and am thinking about going commercial. In a recent post to Halloween-l, you mentioned a haunt in Michigan for sale. Was that advertised in your magazine? If not, I'd like to know how you found out about it. It might be easier for me to buy into an established business instead of starting one on my own. (Just don't let my wife know yet!) Rob Freeman 14351 Denne Livonia, MI 48154-4360 313-261-9186 > If there is anyone out there who likes haunted houses, and this sort of > thing, I'd be happy to send you a free copy. Just send me your name, > mailing address, and phone number, and I'll drop the next issue off to you > in the mail! ;-) -- Happy Haunting Rob Freeman - freemanr@mail.oeonline.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 16:11:07 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:04:21 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunted house books/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:26 PM 3/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >milwiron@btprod.com wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity, how many people on the list are currently involved >> in writing a book about producing haunted houses or some aspect of them? > >Look for my new How-to: "Resin fumes: It's cheaper than Beer" >Fall 97. > Give me lacquer thinner any day ! (see disclaimer* below) Denny * Don't try this at home. Known to the state of California to cause Democrats. Handle only when wearing a proper NIOSH approved mask. Do not use in the presence of open flames or sparks. Wet T-shirt contest every Thursday night. Dogs must be on a leash at all times. Dangerous curves ahead. Do not store above 120F. Keep hands inside ride at all times. Customers must wear shoes and shirts. Slippery when wet. Check guns at bar. Watch for falling rocks. ...and for you sled jockeys out there- no attitudes or colors. Writer of this not responsible for his own actions. B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 16:22:55 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 16:11:05 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: member list follow up [Serious Banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:15 AM 2/15/97 +0000, you wrote: >2 thumbs up Greg. >-- >Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume Clap clap clap clap! -- Bob Andrews Thanks, guys! It was a labor of love, but an attaboy never hurts! Newcomers, I'll do an update in the next few weeks. Greg T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 16:28:46 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:24:57 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com First, my apologies to all disinterested list members for the severe topic drift here. I feel somewhat responsible for starting it with my reference to the rings in a previous post. Second, a request to all "non-disinterested" list members ("Wouldn't that be 'interested', Dave?"): If you want to reply to my more-magic-than-Halloween post, please _consider_ doing so off the list; perhaps only to those who have posted something regarding the rings. Since the topic has apparently completely left any Halloween-related interests, it might be polite to move it off the list at this point. The exception being (like this) if you feel your post is still appropriate for the list. Now for the unsolicited advice, which you are - as always - free to ignore: Before you go out and buy a set of linking rings (Not that I'm trying to discourage anyone from doing business with any magic dealer), you may want to think about your motivation for doing so. If your intention is to eventually - after much practice - perform this routine for anyone (And I mean ANYONE; I feel performing for the entertainment and enjoyment of an audience of ONE is just as valid as performing for an audience of one THOUSAND. Granted, the pay's not the same; but if you and your audience like it, who cares.), then go ahead and buy it. You may want to consider buying the less expensive and smaller "starter set" style and then advance to a more professional-looking set (IF that suits your needs) after you've started to work out a routine. If, on the other hand, your intention is to simply find out "how it works," then save your money. Go to your local library and check out some books on magic. The Rings are bound to be in one of them, and you'll learn a lot more about -and hopefully gain a deeper appreciation for- magic in the process. Most American public libraries keep their magic books under 793.8 in the Dewey Decimal system; Library of Congress puts them under GV1541 through GV1547. (Feel free to email me privately for a few specific titles I recommend or look for my list in the archive.) Also, don't neglect the Juvenile (excuse me, "Young Reader") section. If you're truly just starting out in magic, some of these books are incredibly informative. They also tend to be a more lively read and have better pictures - don't ask me why. If you buy the trick just to find out "the secret," I guarantee you'll be disappointed and probably a little ticked off. The Rings (like many magic tricks) rely on the effective performing skills of the magician more than on physical "gimmickery." Some magicians (including me) are fond of the phrase "The METHOD is not the SECRET." The Rings are a textbook example of this philosophy. Finally, please don't think I'm trying to discourage you (or anyone) from learning more about magic because I'm not. In fact, I actively encourage anyone I find expressing even the remotest interest in magic. I've often offered to help list members when magic-ish topics arise. (Not that I consider myself an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm happy to share what little I do know.) As always, my apologies for being so blasted long-winded and if there's any way I can be of further assistance, feel free to email me privately at the address below. Dave Kiihne - daveki@nebfef.com >>> Gregory Edwards 03/05/97 11:24am >>> Toys'r Us has kids magic sets with linking rings. I bought a nice set from Rob's Magic Shop (nw Capitol Juggling NM -->see www.juggling.org for a phone number). Nice people. Greg > > OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, > *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry > them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" > the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and > was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an > engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, > but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? > > Dave > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 16:42:42 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 19:34:52 -0500 From: Allan Clifford To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Convention Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I received my Halloween convention badge, etc. today. Looks like they added the DARK ZONE near the FOOD ZONE! Allan Nightmare Forest...Experience the Fear! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 17:50:22 1997 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:45:32 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, John P. Jeffries wrote: > Argh! Glass! >EYES< = Blind :) > > Here is a quickie idea...Contact Tad At: A. Harlequin Costume (Tad you out > there??) > > Ask if he can get you the "break-a-way" bottles, (beer-bottle looking in > color/size).> Thurston James's "Handbook for Prop-Builders" has details on how to make your own break-a-way glass/bottles.I'm not posting this to try and take away business from Tad but ,because in this instance, it might be necessary to make a "custom" bottle with separate compartments. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 17:56:49 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:35:35 -0800 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Toys! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kristopher A Slocum wrote: > > Howdy, > I've been lurking on this list for a while now and just decided to leep out of the shadows. This catalog is a great source of small halloween items. I have the heart, hand and brain molds myself and have grossed out many people with them... That's the point. Right ??? > > Shadowcat > Hi, Just thought I'd second the comment on the assorted body part jello molds. We used them this year for our first ever Halloween party. I can say that from personal experience it almost works out better when you mess up the recipe. We tried to do the condensed milk thing to get the brain to have that lovely flesh tone. What we ended up with, and to be totally honest I don't know _how_, we ended up with a kind of yellow/pea green/failed chemistry experiment looking thing. Actually, it sort of looked like cat barf, but hey, what a great effect. We made all three parts and served them on a flat baking sheet with a bunch of old, real scary looking dental tools arranged around them. Needless to say, the parts were a topic of conversation!! Julie and Dwayne The crypt keepin' two From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 18:02:18 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:59:06 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: Sharing scaring! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:08 PM 3/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Oliver, > I'd love to get a copy of your Haunted Attraction Magazine. I've been >building a private haunt in my garage for 15 years and am thinking about >going commercial. In a recent post to Halloween-l, you mentioned a -CLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPCLIPLCIPLCLIP- >> If there is anyone out there who likes haunted houses, and this sort of >> thing, I'd be happy to send you a free copy. Just send me your name, >> mailing address, and phone number, and I'll drop the next issue off to you >> in the mail! ;-) This Sounds interesting, who origionally posted this message??? Out of pure cuoisity? ------Fiber Optic------ Come check out Quake Clan Iris at: http://www.tiac.net/users/kaufmans/iris/ `-Devolopmental Team `-Kick Ass DM Team ------Fiberopt@pipeline.com------ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 18:15:25 1997 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:16:26 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cheap dungeon walls! -(Long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Cliff, we experimented with this same technique (stone version) last year but had to abandon the idea because of the weight/storage factor. (We ended up just painting our walls to look like stone).Some things we did learn though might help with making the panels lighter.Using "light-weight" joint compound will reduce the weight considerably but you will sacrafice some of the durability of "all-purpose" joint comp- ound.Also by mixing the joint compound with cellulose insulation first has several benefits:1)It will save you money.Cellulose insullation is incredibly cheap (cheaper than joint compound).2)It will not take away from the flame retardency of gypsum joint coumpound.(Cellulose insulation is simply ground up newspaper with a flame retardent additive) 3)It will give your stones a more "textured" look. Hope this can help. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 18:40:26 1997 To: "Halloween Newsgroup" From: "Bruce & Tammy Miller" Subject: Foam rubber Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 21:33:55 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone out there in Halloweenland know of a good source for foam rubber- preferably 4-6" thick? Any idea how pricey? I'd appreciate some help.Frostproof is so far in the sticks we have to mail-order everything but the weather! Y'all are appreciated, Bruce tbmiller@frostproof.net P.S. Yes,we are areal place,check us out at http://www.frostproof.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:07:19 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:59:19 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Foam rubber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bruce & Tammy Miller wrote: Does anyone out there in Halloweenland know of a good source for foam? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- Open cell and closed cell foam can be bought cheaply from upholstery supply and marine supply stores depending on the type you need. Polyurethane can be hard or flexible. I am guessing you want the "spongy" kind. Your best bet would be to check your local library for a "business to business" phone book. This will list many phone numbers that the "normal" phone book dose not. Also look for a "Thomas registry". This is an encyclopedia of industrial suppliers. It can be difficult to buy small quantities from these industrial suppliers but I have done it... Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @--'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:16:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:12:01 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com about chemical smoke........ There is a special effects distributor out here in California called TriChem (That may not be their name, I cant seem to find their catalog) I know that specialize in smoke effects! The gentleman who owns the place basically built his business on smoke effects! Evidently he is a genus in chemistry and could fill the “niche” as a LICENSED chemist. I am going out to his plant in the near future and I will ask about your question on mixing two safe chemicals to produce smoke... Or if I can fine the darn catalog I will let you have his number. I am don’t think he will give me the “secret” of his formula but maybe he can sell the stuff to non-licensed users if the compound is not hazardous Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:24:27 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:21:50 -0700 Subject: Re: (Long!) Halloween and Hoola Hoops To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Silverwolf! Saw you on JB's tape on a news report. Looks like oyu were having some fun with the poor reporter :) If I ever get up there.... :) Harry (watch this space in about 5 years) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:41:04 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:38:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Haunted house books/banter To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Beware, fopr if I can find it, I have the ultimate disclaimer t add to yours! [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:43:43 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:39:42 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: chemical special effects and the law.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I wonder if the other states in the union are inforcing their pyrotechnic regulations, can magicians buy “flash paper”? One magician here in California was put in JAIL for using it in his act! There was a campaign to write the government officials and complain but it evidently did no good! (ABUSE OF POWER! flash paper is no more dangerous than a box of matches!) Can any of the magicians on this list update me? Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:44:31 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:41:56 -0700 Subject: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To clear the air, I emailed Dave with the mechanical gimmick for the linking rings. He will not be posting it as it is for his information, and not for public knowledge. Presentation is more the key, naturally. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 19:53:20 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:46:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Foam rubber To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I would avoid foam rubber in ANY form of a haunt, as foam can release poisonous gasses. Always think safety first. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 20:02:40 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:57:39 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Foam rubber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Bruce & Tammy Miller) wrote: Jerry, Thanks for the tip. I've grown so accustomed to this keyboard I plum forgot about the Register! >From what I gather, a one-track mindset will stifle any creativity,so I have to keep all avenues explored,right? Greetings from Frostproof, Bruce RIGHT! There are many new foams that DO NOT produce poisonous gasses. The industry is being pushed by the safety police to make foams for Beds for instance! But even so, I bet I could find the BAD foam (bad foam, down boy BAD,BAD!) in MOST public attractions including most HH!. Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 20:48:56 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:40:14 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Foam rubber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Bruce & Tammy Miller) wrote: Jerry, Thanks for the tip. I've grown so accustomed to this keyboard I plum forgot about the Register! >From what I gather, a one-track mindset will stifle any creativity,so I have to keep all avenues explored,right? -------------------------------------------------------------- RIGHT! (by the way you are very welcome, sorry about my manners....) speaking of creative thinking....... Always try to use your creativity to solve your problems instead of using money. One method of jump starting your creativity is to try to see the similarities between your problem and an elephant. I know this sounds wacky, but that’s the point. By thinking this way your logical mind is confused into silence and your creative mind gets a carrot to lure it out of hiding. I did not make this up, this is something I learned in the martial arts. Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 5 21:46:24 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:38:56 -0700 Subject: chemical special effects and the law.... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Flash paper is now legal once again in California. I will see who supplies them. My best friend is a magician, I will ask him tomorrow. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 00:05:39 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 03:01:34 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Flash paper LEAGLE AGAIN!!!!???? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com WOW! I must be living in a cave! WHATS THE STORY ON THIS? how did it change? who? what? when? where?..... 8-D I cant believe it....maybe there is justice in the world.... }: - > -jerry : ) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 04:21:56 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 07:19:06 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Foam rubber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:59 PM 3/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >phone book dose not. Also look for a "Thomas registry". This is an >encyclopedia The Thomas Register is also online if I remember correctly. Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 05:06:54 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 07:56:47 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cheap dungeon walls! -(Long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > >Also by mixing the joint compound with cellulose insulation first Great Idea! I tried using vermiculite ('borrowed' from my wife's garden supplies) to add texture. It works ok, but didn't really look quite right. Thanks! Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 05:11:55 1997 From: ALT4%mimi@magic.itg.ti.com Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 06:58:51 CST To: halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Subject: HAUNTED ATTRACTION MAGAZINE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: EDDIE LINDSEY ALT4@msg.itg.ti.com Subj: HAUNTED ATTRACTION MAGAZINE I would like to request a copy of Haunted Attraction Magazine. Please send to the following: Eddie Lindsey 1201 Park Place Dr. #2137 Sherman, TX 775092-3318 Also can anyone out there tell me of other magazines that could help with ideas on Haunts. Thanks, Eddie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 05:15:55 1997 To: Tad Peters From: William E Rompala Date: 6 Mar 97 8:05:52 EDT Subject: Re: getting off....BANTER Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>Could someone tell me how to get off this halloween list? >>ive tried time and again? >>anyone/ >>anne >It is not possible. Well maybe someone more technicle than I can assist, >but I think the only way to get off the list is to die. Oh, no Tad. You must be... one of them. Didn't you know Tad?.... We're all dead here. -W "We all float down here" William Rompala http://www.rompalaconsulting.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 06:11:44 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:19:26 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: chemical special effects and the law.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:38 PM 3/5/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Flash paper is now legal once again in California. I will see who >supplies them. My best friend is a magician, I will ask him tomorrow. > >Harry The best flash paper I have used comes from "THEATRE EFFECTS". They have a web site at: http://www.theatrefx.com, it sets off better than several others I have tried. As for the law covering theatre pyrotechnics, each state has different regulations covering the use, storage and disposal. I had a recent question about a production in the works in my state (IN), and did my normal contacts with local and state people. The folks at Theatre FX were very happy to let me know who to contact regarding federal regulations. Rule of thumb: "If in doubt, check it out." But if your local Costume/Magic store has it for sale, it's safe to assume it legal to use without a permit. John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 06:51:23 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:24:13 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: drawings for ez descriptions? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Do you all have the ability to down load dxf or gif files that are attached to email? Or will that not work on a "list" system? I am a draftsman and a (not good but can get by) artist and would like to attach drawings to any descriptions that may need it! Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 06:54:07 1997 From: The Youngs To: BABES , "'William E Rompala'" Subject: RE: Halloween and Hoola Hoops (Part 2) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:23:14 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay Willy boy, calm down and try to behave, maybe it's Babes, like in multiple Babe Ruths....:) Honestly you men ;-) Hello Anne, First, you need to tell me why your email address is 'babes'. ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 07:19:27 1997 From: The Youngs To: Dave Bell , "'William E Rompala'" Subject: OT- responses Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:25:31 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Please, anyone that feels that they may want to respond to Dave's request for the linking rings- PLEASE do it off list via private email. Just flinched when I saw this hit the list. ;-) Thanks, William Rompala Member, SAM etc Yes, but anyone willing to respond to William's subtle request for Babes, please respond to the list, it would certainly be entertaining. What can I say guys, I had a rough day at work, and this list seemed to need lightening up. :) Smile and be happy you don't live in the frozen North Jacqui dbell @ bayarea.net (Dave Bell) 03/04/97 07:07 PM To: halloween-l @ netcom.com @ SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Tromp loel (or how ever that french word is sp OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 07:22:31 1997 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 10:43:58 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 1313 Mockingbird Lane..... Another one Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Tim, I have to ask you?? Are you on a cruise ship??? I just saw your return address!! Now a Haunted House on a Ship....a old abandoned ship...ghost pirates... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 07:29:30 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: drawings for ez descriptions? Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:22:09 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com: >Do you all have the ability to down load dxf or gif files that are attached >to email? >Or will that not work on a "list" system? Hi, Jerry. Yes, it _is_ possible to enclose images (as MIME extensions or as uuencoded binhexes) along with email messages. However, you can't depend on people to have the same software on the receiving side, and the recipients will often have trouble reading them. (Also, you'll get complaints about how big the messages are.) I notice you've got a web page...I bet the easiest way to distribute images is to put the .gifs on your web page and email the URL around. That way, anybody with a browser can see the picture without having to decode it from the email message. :Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 07:36:42 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:28:18 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: drawings for ez descriptions? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > Do you all have the ability to down load dxf or gif files that are attached to email? gif - yes, dxf - no Thanks, Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 08:23:06 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:04:16 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: drawings for ez descriptions? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:24 AM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Do you all have the ability to down load dxf or gif files that are attached >to email? >Or will that not work on a "list" system? Howdy Jerry, Don't send images or attachments to the list. Only send them by direct e-mail to people requesting them. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 08:58:26 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 11:55:29 -0500 From: cstowell@cstone.net (Carl Stowell) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Doesn anyone know about this? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can download, or purchase simple instructions for > the classic guillitean trick (head chopper) Do you want a fake guill or a real one? I built a real one last year without really making up any plans. (not a good idea) It looks pretty good at night but not so realistic during the day. (none of the wood is beveled, its all lumber square) I was striving for a working product and not so much "antique" style. I can mail you a rough outline of what I built (hopefully so you won't make the same mistakes I did, I'll have to write it up first... Mostly I used some 2x4's 2x2's,1x1's, rope, A piece of rigid tin, a box of screws, and a 4x4 piece of plywood.. It only cost about $25 It falls with pretty good force & makes an awesome whoosh sound.. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Carl F. Stowell /\ "Develop for it? I'll piss on it!" Network Administrator || -W. Gates stand on Microsoft's software Robinson, Farmer, Cox Assoc.|| development strategy for Next computers. mailto:cstowell@cstone.net \/ http://www.cstone.net/~cstowell ->My rantings do not reflect my company's, however they are similar<- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 11:03:37 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:50:48 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Doesn anyone know about this? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Does anyone know where I can download, or purchase simple instructions for >the classic guillitean trick (head chopper) I am planning on adding 2 of >them to my haunted attraction this year and I am still baffled after working >on a few Ideas for over 2 hours last night. (I'm sure I feel really stupid >after finding out the real soultion!!) > >Thanx Alot, > >Fiber Optic-Kel >------Fiber Optic------ > >Come check out Quake Clan Iris at: http://www.tiac.net/users/kaufmans/iris/ > `-Devolopmental Team > `-Kick Ass DM Team > >------Fiberopt@pipeline.com------ Check your local magic shop.. I dont know if you'll find plans anywere for free. There is a big thing in the Magic Circles about keeping secrets and all that.. So a magic shops your best bet. The two methods I have seen, use 1. 2 blades 2. Trick blade with hole cut out. For a effect like this, I think it would be better to buy one at a store, rather than take a chance a build one yourself.. Unless your 100% sure you can do it safely. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 11:05:48 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:59:47 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Before you go out and buy a set of linking rings (Not that I'm trying to >discourage anyone from doing business with any magic dealer), you may want to >think about your motivation for doing so. >If you buy the trick just to find out "the secret," I guarantee you'll be >disappointed and probably a little ticked off. The Rings (like many magic >tricks) rely on the effective performing skills of the magician more than on >physical "gimmickery." Some magicians (including me) are fond of the phrase >"The METHOD is not the SECRET." The Rings are a textbook example of this >philosophy. >Greg >> >> OK, Harry... Coming from one who just a couple weeks back, >> *almost* bought a set of linking rings, but didn't want to carry >> them around all day: What IS the gimmick? I have "examined" >> the offered ring on several occasions over the years, and >> was always satisfied that it (at least) was solid. As an >> engineer, I could think of several ways it *could* be done, >> but none as gracefully as it usually is... Pretty please? >> >> Dave You know I own a set of linking rings.. It's true in fact I can say 100% that if you buy them to find out the gimmick of them you'll kick yourself for wasteing the money. It really is in the skill and handleing of them.. As a side note I have gotten mine to link togther, but I can seem to unlink them now!. The method I use is this.. First, show 3 rings un linked. Each member of audince can exaim them.. Now take the rings and go behind a small wall where the audnce can not see you. Fire up the 4000watt weilding torch, and link them toghter.. Cool off in bucket of water and come from behind the wall. Show the rings linked.. Bow for appluase! Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 11:10:19 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:05:43 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: getting off....BANTER Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>>Could someone tell me how to get off this halloween list? >>>ive tried time and again? >>>anyone/ >>>anne > >>It is not possible. Well maybe someone more technicle than I can assist, >>but I think the only way to get off the list is to die. > >Oh, no Tad. You must be... one of them. >Didn't you know Tad?.... We're all dead here. > >-W >"We all float down here" > >William Rompala >http://www.rompalaconsulting.com Yea, I had to mail Don a copy of my "Death Certificate" just to get on here!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 11:31:49 1997 To: Jason R From: William E Rompala Date: 6 Mar 97 14:20:39 EDT Subject: Re: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jay revealed today on Geraldo: >them now!. The method I use is this.. First, show 3 rings un linked. Each >member of audince can exaim them.. Now take the rings and go behind a small >wall where the audnce can not see you. Fire up the 4000watt weilding torch, >and link them toghter.. Cool off in bucket of water and come from behind >the wall. Show the rings linked.. Bow for appluase! You know, Jay, if you weren't already dead like the rest of us, we would have to kill you now for revealing the secret. -W William Rompala From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 14:56:41 1997 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 17:38:39 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: Doesn anyone know about this? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:55 AM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote: >Fiber Optic wrote: >> >> Does anyone know where I can download, or purchase simple instructions for >> the classic guillitean trick (head chopper) > > >Do you want a fake guill or a real one? > >I built a real one last year without really making up any plans. (not a >good idea) > >It looks pretty good at night but not so realistic during the day. (none >of the wood is beveled, its all lumber square) > >I was striving for a working product and not so much "antique" style. > >I can mail you a rough outline of what I built (hopefully so you won't >make the same mistakes I did, I'll have to write it up first... > >Mostly I used some 2x4's 2x2's,1x1's, rope, A piece of rigid tin, a box >of screws, and a 4x4 piece of plywood.. It only cost about $25 > >It falls with pretty good force & makes an awesome whoosh sound.. Sounds great, but It doesn't sound like one of those magical kind. Thanx for the Ideas. ------Fiber Optic------ Come check out Quake Clan Iris at: http://www.tiac.net/users/kaufmans/iris/ `-Devolopmental Team `-Kick Ass DM Team ------Fiberopt@pipeline.com------ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 17:41:37 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: drawings for ez descriptions? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, I have the ability, but there is usually a lot of stress generated by attaching (big) binaries to maillist messages. Preferred technique would be to post them to an archive site, so those who want them can download as desired. For drawings to be attached or included, maybe we could use some sort of vector graphics medium, such as PostScript or HPGL. That doesn't allow for fancy rendering, but line drawings are really compact... Dave On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > Do you all have the ability to down load dxf or gif files that are attached > to email? > Or will that not work on a "list" system? > > I am a draftsman and a (not good but can get by) artist and would like to > attach drawings to any descriptions that may need it! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 19:34:39 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:22:39 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Jay revealed today on Geraldo: >>them now!. The method I use is this.. First, show 3 rings un linked. Each >>member of audince can exaim them.. Now take the rings and go behind a small >>wall where the audnce can not see you. Fire up the 4000watt weilding torch, >>and link them toghter.. Cool off in bucket of water and come from behind >>the wall. Show the rings linked.. Bow for appluase! > >You know, Jay, if you weren't already dead like the rest of us, we would have >to kill you now for revealing the secret. > >-W > >William Rompala Yea.. Guess that's why I am not allowed at any David Copperfield shows, or at the Magic Castle in LA. Jay "Secrets, got them secrets.." {Old Digtal Underground refence there} ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 20:37:04 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: getting off (BANTER) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:27:59 -0800 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>Could someone tell me how to get off this halloween list? >>ive tried time and again? >>anyone/ >>anne > >It is not possible. Well maybe someone more technicle than I can assist, >but I think the only way to get off the list is to die. > And after that, you're used as a prop... we let *nothing* go to waste! ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 20:37:17 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: Re: Haunted house books/banter Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:28:05 -0800 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>milwiron@btprod.com wrote: >* Don't try this at home. Known to the state of California to cause >Democrats. Handle only when wearing a proper NIOSH approved mask. Do not use >in the presence of open flames or sparks. Wet T-shirt contest every Thursday >night. Dogs must be on a leash at all times. Dangerous curves ahead. Do not >store above 120F. Keep hands inside ride at all times. Customers must wear >shoes and shirts. Slippery when wet. Check guns at bar. Watch for falling >rocks. ...and for you sled jockeys out there- no attitudes or colors. >Writer of this not responsible for his own actions. Denny, you forgot: Batteries not included. Offer not exactly as shown. Your mileage may vary. Dealers may sell for less... ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 21:00:18 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:00:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Are you still on the run from breaking into David Copperfield's warehouse of magic out near the Vegas strip? :) Harry "you're soaking in it" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 6 23:15:29 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 23:55:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: animatronics To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I'm looking for any sites that have information on animatronics, >particularly construction images. Does anyone know of any out there? If you haven't looked into the 'world's cheapest animatronic,' do yourself a favor and go to my website: http://members.aol.com/phanmmech and look at the plans for the Flying Crank Ghost. I will do my best to get information on the new MIDI-based animatronic controllers written up and posted on my site this month. These devices are inexpensive (<$200) and will drive the same servos used in RC model race-cars. Each plug-in module drives up to 8 of these servos with no modifications, and larger servos can be driven with a heftier D.C. supply. If it isn't obvious how a servo with a lever arm can be used to control an animatronic, I'll be happy to answer questions on the subject. The best way to begin is to think of what your creation must be able to do, and then devise a way to do it with the lowest number of moving parts. That advice is straight from the mouth of a representative from Gilderfluke, Inc., which now provides Disney with animation drivers, and showed several such 'minimal animatronics' at the NAAPA '96 show. -Doug F. *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 03:08:45 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 06:06:18 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: drawings for ez descriptions? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:24 AM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Do you all have the ability to down load dxf or gif files that are attached >to email? >Or will that not work on a "list" system? > >I am a draftsman and a (not good but can get by) artist and would like to >attach drawings to any descriptions that may need it! Yes, I can handle binary attachments to my email (BinHex, Mime and UUencode). And I can view virtually any file format you have. BUT.... If you want to send something out, the general practice is to do it privately, off-list. Binaries can get pretty big, and there are some on the list that do not like getting big files because they either 1. have a pay for time service, 2. only have a modem connection, or 3. get alot of email anyway, and don't like a single file taking up lots of time. If you have something that you want to send, make an announcement first, then send only to the interested parties. Or, best still, put them up on your Web Page. Me!? I'll take anything... Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 05:24:00 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:11:51 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 1313 Mockingbird Lane......... -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> Lauren Jones 3/5/97 3:04 pm >>> I'd rather live in the Addams mansion... :-) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, Agreed whole heartedly!! (If I had a heart that is! }:^) ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-3508 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 05:39:44 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:27:04 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical special effects and the law.... -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> John P. Jeffries 3/6/97 9:19 am >>> *snip* me know who to contact regarding federal regulations. Rule of thumb: "If in doubt, check it out." But if your local Costume/Magic store has it for sale, it's safe to assume it legal to use without a permit. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Careful John! Remember our stupid law on fireworks: Legal to sell, but not legal to use! You have to take them out of state withing a certain period of time (2 days I think?). So just because it's legal to sell it doesn't necessarily mean it's legal to use. BTW, have you started planning the haunt yet? Need any "amateur" help? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 07:40:07 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 06:45:48 -0700 Subject: Re: animatronics To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug, one company to talk with is Mediamation in Torrance. Since it's on the way back from work I stopped in one time. The owner was gracious enough to show me the whole operation. Busy, high tech and stuff we can most definoitely use in our applications.They write their own computer programs and have ahardware line which will fit our needs. Servo controllers, 120 volt controllers and other i/o devices controlled off a Midi bus. Check out their website at http://www.mediamat.com Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 10:10:51 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:06:15 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Linking Rings (Banter - Unsolicited Advice) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Are you still on the run from breaking into David Copperfield's >warehouse of magic out near the Vegas strip? :) > >Harry "you're soaking in it" Traver > >[ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] >[ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] Damn.. Now someone has figured me out again.. Oh well, time to change the screen name again. {I guess The Lazer, was just to close to the name of his new illusion, called The Lazer..} Jay "Oh the tangled web we weave." ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 11:58:40 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 02:28:16 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Door counter-weights Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I was looking over some stuff from 1995 and found my sketches for door counter-weights. It's nothing new, but people like the idea. Our "front doors" that we open for the public, in the past were spring closed. What I did was use a "ghost/ghoul" for a counter-weight that could be seen by the public. It's a simple idea, use a GOOD twine (Kevlar is good) and attach to the doors, then up to the roof, and then attached to any counter-weight you would like. Some other ideas are: A witch on a broom (broom rises and falls as a "bucking horse"). An Axe-man, A Ghost opening/closing shutters in a Gable, Or even a hanging body. (Be cautious of weight!). On the counter weights I attached a "catch-cable" in case the kevlar twine broke. A simple .75 cent precaution:) Hope this gives some ideas, it's something for people to look at as they wait. Depending on what you do, some may think it's an automated prop all it's own! John...On the late shift ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 12:15:42 1997 From: dallan@dow.com To: Subject: RE: Foam rubber Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:10:28 -0600 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Thomas Register is available at http://www.thomasregister.com:8000/ David >---------- >From: Bill Lewis[SMTP:lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil] >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 1997 7:19 AM >To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Subject: Re: Foam rubber > >At 09:59 PM 3/5/97 -0500, you wrote: > >>phone book dose not. Also look for a "Thomas registry". This is an >>encyclopedia > >The Thomas Register is also online if I remember correctly. > >Bill Lewis >NSWC Carderock Division >Code 6060 >(301) 227-2742 >lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 12:39:36 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 03:53:52 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: member list follow up [Serious Banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes, Greg you did a great job!! Thanks for all the hard work... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 14:34:00 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 20:55:39 -0800 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: ftp Site Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Scott Axworthy wrote: > > Wil: > > Brer Bear wrote: > > > > Hello, my name is Wil, and......I....too.....am a Halloweenholic. And I > > need your help.........planning for next year! > > > Congratulations Wil, you've taken the first step towards recovery, > you've > admitted your addiction. I'm sorry to inform you that there is no cure. Oh, who needs a cure. When you're as addicted as we are, it's gone way beyond cures. :-) > You have now found a den of addicted souls, tormented like you, feeding > off the addiction of others. It only gets worse from here... > > Other than that, its really a fun place! Very true. It's nice to be among those who think similarly. Do you know how hard it is to try to explain this Halloween thing to "normal people"? So, welcome :) btw, a few (dozen?, thousand? lost track) posts ago (it also doesn't help that the server lost over 50 of my messages :( ) there was mention of doing things cheaply. Well, we are masters of cheapness, so far anyway. Dwayne's favorite source of stuff is yard sales and back alleys. We have come to the sad realization though that we will actually have to start forking over actual money (damm those student loans!) to buy stuff to help our friendly neighborhood graveyard actually have some stuff going on.... When we get more organized we'll be glad to share some of our cheap (and pretty simplistic, compared to some of the masters on the list, but they work) accomplishments with you all. Julie and Dwayne The crypt keepin' 2 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 14:34:04 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 17:44:52 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: chemical special effects and the law.... -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (snip-snip) > >Careful John! Remember our stupid law on fireworks: Legal to sell, but not legal to use! You have to >take them out of state withing a certain period of time (2 days I think?). So just because it's legal to >sell it doesn't necessarily mean it's legal to use. True, very true, but I don't' think many could confuse flash paper with a Roman-candle ;) But he does bring up a good issue, whereas "flash paper" may be OK to buy in your area, you may want to ask the salesperson what the law is regarding it's use (no matter what the pyrotechnic is). If they do not know, be sure to find somebody that does. Here (Indiana) it's legal to purchase "Fireworks", but not to use them..go figure:) > >BTW, have you started planning the haunt yet? Need any "amateur" help? ;) Yep, started already! My grave-digger is on vacation, pay starts at 2 skulls an hour, meals are included: (whatever you find). And we have great health and dental coverage by "The Doctor"... At least, no-one has lived to complain:) Muahahahaaaaaa. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 15:15:01 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 15:55:03 -0800 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > about chemical smoke........ > > There is a special effects distributor out here in California called > TriChem (That may not be their name, I cant seem to find their catalog) > I know that specialize in smoke effects! > The gentleman who owns the place basically built his business on smoke > effects! Evidently he is a genus in chemistry and could fill the “niche” > as a LICENSED chemist. > I am going out to his plant in the near future and I will ask about > your question on mixing two safe chemicals to produce smoke... > Or if I can fine the darn catalog I will let you have his number. > I am don’t think he will give me the “secret” of his formula > but maybe he can sell the stuff to non-licensed users if the > compound is not hazardous > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > > (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Hi, If I am right, you are referring to Tri-Ess Sciences, they are in Burbank if that helps . I sort of know the owner, (and in a very round about and distant way I understand he is a family member too) Ira who is, I must agree a chemistry wizard. The smoke which I think you are referring to is his Spectrasmoke, which comes in many different colors. It's a pretty cool thing, burns cool, and is relatively non-toxic. Unfortunately it is illegal for non-licensed people to use :( as I discovered when we asked for his assistance with smoke effects. However, if he has time, he will probably try to help people achieve effects if you can tell him exactly what you want the end product to look like. He really loves what he does and took an interest in our, as yet modest, graveyard efforts. Julie and Dwayne The crypt keepin' 2 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 18:32:33 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:27:27 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Kudos to all of you! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Deny had complained about me using the term “Master Hauntrepreneur” on my web site... I derived the term from “Master props maker” which is someone that specializes in making movie and stage props, not someone who is the best at it! But I can see how it comes off the wrong way, so I will change it even though my web site is for BUSINESS and “exaggeration" is an advertising practice.) I was not going to say anything after my little mistake (make that BIG MISTAKE) with Jay but it got me curious about the archives. I have not been able to down load the full archives for some reason (I get a error message that reads reflection package or something like that) but what I was able to read was impressive and frankly very humbling! I still say I am the very good at what I do, but I see that you all are very good at what you do! This list is a treasure throve of creativity, engineering genius and “HART” (no pun intended, no, really...) I will learn a great deal from all of you and I appreciate being part of this list. thanks! Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 18:46:27 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:43:08 -0700 Subject: Door counter-weights To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com That kind of reminds me of a trick I seen back in 1988, chamber of Terror. They had opening front doors using ropes and a garage door opener to open the doors for the guests to enter :) Harry "in through the out door" [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 18:50:16 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:47:08 -0700 Subject: Re: chemical special effects and the law.... -Repl To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com for california, may be a city to city thing. It is now legal to purchase flash paper in anaheim as of a few months ago. Not sure if it is city wide.... Harry "gone in a flash of light" [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 19:10:26 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:07:14 -0700 Subject: Kudos to all of you! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The reason that Denny warned you about using "hauntampanur" (sic) is simple. Leonard Pickell who owns Elm St. Hauntramepnurs holds a copyright on the word. don't assume offense when someone is trying to protect ya... Harry "you're soaking in it" Traver (running the whole gamut of emotions tonight, from the following: 1. pins and needles waiting for the park to approve my best friend moving in with me 2. long beach announcing they6 are planning to rebuild a fantastic Traver rollercoaster that used to grace it's shores, mnainly the Cyclone Racer.... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 19:41:58 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:43:54 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Jim Kadel wrote: > Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? > > Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) > Jim, the closest think I've seen is "Wildfire's" magenta.It's not as bright as you might imagine the color magenta to normally be.In fact under normal light it looks really close to blood in color. Hope this helps. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 19:54:37 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:56:41 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Denny: > ------------------------------ > >Hi Kathy, > >Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you > >to play with. You can save the water you clean your bushes with after painting with U.V. paint (making sure you wash each color separately) and it will glow under blacklight.I'm sure it is no where near as good as the dyes Denny is selling but it is a good way to use something that you would normally toss out.One possible application of this would be as "glowing chemicals" in a lab scene. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 22:29:18 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:13:29 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-07 22:09:11 EST, you write: << The reason that Denny warned you about using "hauntampanur" (sic) is simple. Leonard Pickell who owns Elm St. Hauntramepnurs holds a copyright on the word. don't assume offense when someone is trying to protect ya... >> Mabey it was not Denny, sorry if it was not, But I did in fact get a letter from someone that said "many on this list may take offense to that etc...." CLEARLY stating that the term was not to his liking, P.S. made up words are not SPELLED wrong. Am I really going to have to be that careful of typos? I kind of thought things were more..... laed bak arownd her! ; > HHHMMMMM....I wonder if I spelled it differently if that would get by? Not that I will do it, just wondering. :-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Mar 7 23:50:52 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:40:58 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com All the talk of trump leoil (whatever the term is) the last few days and Carl mentioning he wasn't trying for an "antique" look on his guillotine made me think of a subject I maybe able to contribute on. As I mentioned before one of the jobs I have is renovating/rehabbing old houses and by necessicity I've had to learn how to paint "designer finishes" which seemed to be the "in-thing" over the last few years (esp- ecially among old house owners).I'm also not the most artistically gift- ed individual, so if I can do this anybody can.Two techniques I learned for antiquing I think could be of use to both the haunters and crafters on the list.The first is for a "varnish" look the second is a paint fin- ish. "Varnish Antiquing" This is a relatively simple technique for giving your wooden props an "aged" look.It is especially useful for medieval props (guillotines,etc.) 1)Distress the unfinished wood.This is a chance to let out any pent-up frustrations you have.Use hammers,sanders,awls,wrenches, even heavy chains and let your self go.The important thing to remember is to be as random as possible.Don't just use a hammer, it will not give you a "natural wear" look.Use the sander to file down hard edges and an awl (or nail) to gouge holes.A heavy chain is especially good at creating a random patt- ern. 2)1st coat of stain- use a dark stain and brush/wipe the entire surface with it.After a few minutes wipe as much excess off as possible.This coat is mainly too highlight all the distress marks.Incidently I prefer water- based stains because they don't give off harmfull fumes and they dry much quicker. 3)2nd coat of stain-use a slightly lighter stain and again cover the entire surface.This time wait slightly longer (15 min. for water-based, 30 minutes for solvent-based stains) to wipe off the excess. 4)Varnish-coat with 2-3 coats of polyurethane making sure to let each coat dry completely and sand with 220 grit sandpaper between coats. 5)Splatter coat-use either a very dark stain or black paint for this. Take a dry brush and dip it into the paint/stain.On some excess newspaper shake out nearly all the paint off the brush.Then "snap" the brush at your prop.Don't overdo it, you are just after a "fine mist" type look. "Antique painting" This finish is a good way to make a prop or even wood trim on a set to appear "antique". 1)Apply a dark water-based stain to the unfinished wood. 2)Apply 3 coats of water-based polyurethane.Allow each coat to dry completely and lightly sand (220 grit) and tac cloth between coats. 3)1st paint coat-you want to use a semi-colorfull paint for this coat.A Victorian period color is what you are after here.My preference is a barn-red type color.Allow to dry completely. 4)2nd paint-for this paint you need to use a more subdued color such as a colonial blue. 5)Sand the wood with a medium grit (100) sand paper.You want to expose both the 1st coat of paint and the underlying stain beneath.Just be carefull not to sand too much and expose raw wood.You should expose only the 1st coat of paint in some places and in others sand all the way to the stain.Don't do this everywhere,you do want to leave most of the top coat exposed but you should especially sand along the edges as this is where most of the "wear" would naturally occur. 6)Using the original dark stain (from step 1) wipe on another coat. The stain will fill in all the "scratch" marks left from the prev- ious sanding.Wipe off excess stain.You should be left with a "streaky" look on this coat. 7)Splatter coat-see instructions above but use the dark stain from step 1 for this. For Haunters:use this on the trim of your sets,add cobwebs and viola! your "Haunted Mansion" is now 100 years old. For Crafters:use this technique on a small section of picket fence, add some corn stalks,a scarecrow, some carved pumpkins and you have an auth- entique "antique country" Halloween yard display. Btw-this is a finish technique that is very similar to the ones you see in the "country furniture" shops that are so popular now days. Hope this can help.I also know an easy "marbelizing" technique if any- one is interested.It is not as "professional" looking as some methods but it is easy,quick and uses only water based products (no need for solvent glazes). JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 04:38:57 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 06:33:47 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:13 AM 3/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >Mabey it was not Denny, sorry if it was not, See my other post, this was received and replied to after the other. >But I did in fact get a letter from someone that said "many on this list may >take offense to that etc...." CLEARLY stating that the term was not to his >liking, I didn't say it was not to my liking. Here's what I said, verbatim- "Anyone on this list who has visited your web page may call you out for a duel at high noon when you refer to yourself as a "master hauntrepreneur". Them is mighty strong words in this here town." Believe it or not, in my own misguided way I was trying to be as nice as I could. Failing that, here's exactly what I meant- There are dozens of people on this list I bow before and would refer to as "master hauntrepreneurs" (if it wasn't a registered trademark). Their creativity and resourcefulness are second to none. In my eyes, giving yourself that title doesn't make you one of them... period. To All, Jerry called me the other day and we had a great, friendly conversation. Something about the medium of e-mail just ain't working with us. I'll refrain from replying to Jerry's posts to avoid conflict on the list. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 04:38:57 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 06:33:43 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kudos to all of you! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:27 PM 3/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >Deny had complained about me using the term "Master Hauntrepreneur" on my web >site... Not hardly, it wasn't a complaint. I just meant that before you present yourself as a master of anything on this list you should to sit back and see what some of these people have accomplished. I'm humbled by them, you ought to be. >But I can see how it comes off the wrong way, so I will change it even >though my web site is for BUSINESS and "exaggeration" is an advertising >practice.) "Exaggeration" can be a bad business practice and can also be illegal if pushed over the thin line. You should consider changing it mainly because you violate registered trade mark laws by using the term Hauntrepreneur. I tried to tell you that by private e-mail as a friendly warning, to be honest I've got better things to do, you chose to question my motives. Over a year ago I had used the term "Hautrepreneurs". The warning I got wasn't so friendly. You're on your own. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 05:30:08 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 07:25:25 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:56 PM 3/7/97 -0600, you wrote: > >> Denny: >> ------------------------------ >> >Hi Kathy, >> >Where ya been? I've got some U/V fluorescent water dye I'm going to send you >> >to play with. > >You can save the water you clean your bushes with after painting with U.V. >paint (making sure you wash each color separately) and it will glow under >blacklight. I'm sure it is no where near as good as the dyes Denny is >selling... Hi JD, Thanks for the very kind words, I wish it were true. The ugly truth of the matter is, at least what I've found, is that all the glow in the dark and UV fluorescing pigments from reputable sources are pretty much the same quality until you get into specialty pigments that run WELL over $100.00 to $200.00 a pound. The biggest difference in paints and dyes is the fineness of the powder, concentration of the pigment and of course the seller's markup. Crappy results are almost always a result of low percentages of pigment or poor mixing. Using your brush wash water is an excellent idea. Adding too much dye or pigment to water can defeat the deep glowing effect since the particles of pigment start blocking each other out and all you see is the pigment near the surface fluoresce. So brush water should be perfect... and free. Do be careful everyone, some UV pigments contain small amounts of heavy metals that could prove hazardous if ingested. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 07:58:32 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 08:50:06 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JD, Thanks for the tip. Have ordered for $10. a UV dye sampling kit of theirs, so soon will be able to view the "magenta" and other colors. Jim (jimk@rica.net) 3/8/97 At 09:43 PM 3/7/97 -0600, you wrote: > >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Jim Kadel wrote: >> Would you have anything that glows "blood red" under the blacklite? >> >> Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) >> >Jim, the closest think I've seen is "Wildfire's" magenta.It's not as >bright as you might imagine the color magenta to normally be.In fact >under normal light it looks really close to blood in color. >Hope this helps. > JD >jdolan@titan.iwu.edu > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 09:03:30 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 08:57:30 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: You summon it, you feed it! [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >To All, > Jerry called me the other day and we had a great, friendly conversation. >Something about the medium of e-mail just ain't working with us. I'll >refrain from replying to Jerry's posts to avoid conflict on the list. >Denny Denny, Jerry, I know I'm extending the life of a thread that should already be in the ground, but.... Denny, you know from long experience in this group that you're appreciated and respected. Your quote above simply reaffirms the basis for such support. Jerry, you've been welcomed into the group and, I for one, have really enjoyed the contributions you've made in such a short time. Your experience shows! Sometimes a discussion thread just spins out of control. Anyone in the group can tell you that we've weathered misunderstandings, crank posters, hardware glitches, you name it. Luckily for all of us, you and Denny have had the good sense to get to know one another in another way when email failed. You both set a good example for the rest of us. This group wouldn't be nearly as valuable for everyone if the common attitude was to just give in and leave differences unresolved (like a spirit that can't rest). My hat's off to both of you for all you give to the group! (And now, back to our regularly scheduled show. If this had been a real emergency, civil authorities would already have carted off most of us to the rubber room and the boys in the white jackets) Briefly awakened, Greg in Vista T (619) 945-4424 F (619) 726-2804 E ghope@mailhost.csusm.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 09:13:58 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:34:49 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent-Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny wrote: > Do be careful everyone, some UV pigments contain small amounts of heavy >metals that could prove hazardous if ingested. >Denny > ArGhhh! I was wondering why the X-ray staff freaked out on my last visit! Guess I can't drink the cool glowing stuff anymore:( John ;) ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 09:29:29 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:50:20 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (snip) It's true the "Elm Street" firm as the rights to the name, and I'm sure they do protect it as needed. Even though a name may seem to be in "public domain" it's better to look into it first. If you (by chance) use a name or term protected in advertisement for a business or product chances are you will get a "nasty-gram" from the owners Law Firm. Not a good thing. >"Am I really going to have to be that careful of typos? I kind of thought things were more..... laed bak arownd her! ; > Yup, youn' better watch that spelin' 'roud hare! Thems' people don't like no fancy lingo er in-cor-ect spelin' ;) > HHHMMMMM....I wonder if I spelled it differently if that would get by? Not >that I will do it, just wondering. :-) Remember the game: "Good idea, Bad Idea?" That would be a "bad" idea... :) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 09:33:45 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:40:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Door counter-weights Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:43 PM 3/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > >That kind of reminds me of a trick I seen back in 1988, chamber of >Terror. They had opening front doors using ropes and a garage door >opener to open the doors for the guests to enter :) These were just to help keep the doors closed, and it was a last thing item. I've thought about a "Garage door" opener, we don't have the room. I kinda' wanted to put those "Wal-Mart" pumpkins (fake foam) up...But they don't have the mass needed. Ah, it's something for the people to look at... John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:00:06 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 10:00:03 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > > HHHMMMMM....I wonder if I spelled it differently if that would get by? Not > >that I will do it, just wondering. :-) > > Remember the game: "Good idea, Bad Idea?" That would be a "bad" idea... :) Before I got the domain name restin-petes.com, I wanted to get necrosoft.com . Common sense won out. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:19:03 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:12:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: drawings for ez descriptions? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I am a draftsman and a (not good but can get by) artist and would like to >attach drawings to any descriptions that may need it! If you don't have a website, I'd be glad to post your plans on Phantasmechanics' site. You would receive a by-line, and I would