be happy to enhance your graphics for you, if you feel you'd like that. This would allow many people to see them, including those not yet joined to Halloween-L. The by-line would of course include an e-mail link, btw. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:33:22 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:15:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: animatronics To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry, Thanks for the info on Mediamation - I did meet them at IAAPA, and they are a nice outfit! I have the info on their midi boxes, and will be adding it to the content of Phanmech soon, along with all the other Haunt providers that showed at the convention. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:33:23 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:19:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Door counter-weights To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John wrote: >Depending on what you do, some may think it's an automated prop all >it's own! This is a great point. I tend to use the FCG mechanism to drive other moving objects on the counterweight leg. Perfect 'power take-off' for things that would otherwise require a motor (and thus an expense) all their own. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:34:17 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:29:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Door counter-weights To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >That kind of reminds me of a trick I seen back in 1988, chamber of >Terror. They had opening front doors using ropes and a garage door >opener to open the doors for the guests to enter :) Another good effect... few haunts use it, alas. It's neat to be standing in front of a door, and have it open by itself into darkness. It's a great way to add to the foreboding feeling the guests already have. So many haunts have not only a guide out in front of the group, but also from 2 to 3 individuals (often not even in costume) standing inside the door. For me, this kills the mood. In my opinion, you should have a low-light situation just inside the entry, and around the door outside as well. One local haunt has its queue so brightly lit that it looks more like a mall interior than a haunted attraction. Suspense is everything. :-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:49:53 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:43:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >It's true the "Elm Street" firm as the rights to the name... You know, I've always wondered why they get away with lifting half the title of a now-part-of-the-colloquial-language movie, and are not sued, then jump on anyone who uses the second half of their name in a similar fashion. If disney sued all the parks that have an 'imagineering division' (they don't, because the term has entered the language, just as 'animatronic' has...) there'd be chaos in the court system - as if there isn't already. Elm Street H., if you read this..... oh, well, human nature isn't about to change. ;-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 10:51:24 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:45:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Before I got the domain name restin-petes.com, I wanted to get >necrosoft.com . Common sense won out. Gee... too bad! Downloads would have been 'necrofiles.' ;-) -Doug From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 11:40:47 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:36:35 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-08 07:37:53 EST, you write: << To All, Jerry called me the other day and we had a great, friendly conversation. Something about the medium of e-mail just ain't working with us. I'll refrain from replying to Jerry's posts to avoid conflict on the list. Denny >> PLEASE, dont do that, I sincerly want your input, even the banter about my web page lead to me making a good change on my page and got me to try to read as much of the archive as I could befor the transfer crashed! Please Denny, If you feel this way I would perfer I be the one that Dose not respond to your email! Please keep sending what ever you think is helpful...... Jerry :( From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 11:58:37 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 15:19:22 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Earlier, in the last exciting show..... (snip) > >If disney sued all the parks that have an 'imagineering division' >(they don't, because the term has entered the language, just >as 'animatronic' has...) there'd be chaos in the court system - >as if there isn't already. As a tid-bit of info not related to Halloween: Did anyone read where Disney went after a Day-Care center for having pictures of the "toons" on the outside??? I really don't think "everyone" at Disney would have went after them...But the suits did, and they (day-care) had to remove all the pictures...I wonder how the kids felt... Tatoo places also are not allowed to use Disney characters (From what I understand)..Bummer, I really wanted "Tigger" :) Back to the show. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 12:03:20 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:59:51 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: chemicals and the law Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I read this off the news wire.... The number of homemade chemical and pipe bombs detonated by state police has increased dramatically since the Oklahoma City bombing in April 1995. And Thompson said it's almost certainly because of the information on the Internet. Simply manufacturing a bomb - even one made from household products - is a felony punishable by 10 years in prison, Thompson said..... This seems like an overstatement. I don’t know, How far could this go? Would some of the chemical expanding devices that we make or experiment with be enough to risk imprisonment or is the officer exaggerating? jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 12:07:28 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:04:09 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-08 10:53:33 EST, you write: << JD, Thanks for the tip. Have ordered for $10. a UV dye sampling kit of theirs, so soon will be able to view the "magenta" and other colors. Jim (jimk@rica.net) 3/8/97 >> I must have missed that post, please email me the address or phone number for the sample kit. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 12:28:04 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:14:51 -0800 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Insect Chitinous Exoskeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi all, I've been lurking for about a month or so now, and I am impressed by what I've seen so far. I have an idea for a walk-through exhibit I'd like to create, and wonder if any of you can help. I want to make oversized (roughly a foot long) insects such as beetles and cockroackes. I have a pretty good handle on what the internals will be to provide the limited motion (mainly antenna/mandible movement) but I don't know what to use for the bodies. I want that glossy semitransparent look of chitin. Should I cast in resin? or varnish over paper or cardboard layers? anyone have any ideas? I'm willing to put some time into this. Thanks for your help!! Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 12:36:46 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 14:28:23 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:43 PM 3/8/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>It's true the "Elm Street" firm as the rights to the name... > >You know, I've always wondered why they get away with lifting >half the title of a now-part-of-the-colloquial-language movie, >and are not sued, then jump on anyone who uses the second half >of their name in a similar fashion. Sad, it's the world we live in. It's pretty hard to sue someone once the trademark or copyright is granted. All we can do is get over it and move on. You've haven't heard much about what Harley Davidson has gotten away with have you? ;) They've managed to copyright or protect every colloquial term I grew up with. As of a few months ago they had passed the initial applications on registering a trademark for the "distinctive" sound of their engines despite the fact they didn't invent the V-twin ("V-Twin" copyrighted by the Harley Davidson Motor Co. and used here without their bloody permission). While this sounds like a classic Urban Myth, last year the editor of Harley's magazine, The Enthusiast, defended their engine sound protection attempts in a magazine editorial. Their actions are also being debated in various business publications. Trademarking the sound of their engines will allow them to essentially stop after-market manufacturers of engines, exhausts and engine parts... people who build better stuff than they do. If they can get away with it why won't Ford, Chevy, Minolta, Hewlett Packard and Osterizer? Is this how militia groups start? ;) Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 12:54:58 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey everybody! Here's something for each and every one of you. I've struggled with this for a lonnnnnng time, and I know this crew has the perfect creative solution. Since 'Hauntrepreneur' IS taken and vigorously protected (and anyone who uses it gets a cease and desist letter from the holders, if found out) what would be an even BETTER term for people who love to haunt, and not just as a business venture? (preferably one that doesn't sound like a venereal disease), and can be FREE to the world and all its children! 'haunter' is a little lack-luster, though easy to spell and obvious. 'spook meister' is a little silly. 'supreme master of all things haunted' might be taken the wrong way. :-) and on and on. . . Let's start a name list! (this group has a talent for [snipping] , and adding on -each funnier and more inspired than the next.) Grim and Grinning, Oliver (a person who does a haunted house, but has no concise, identifying buzz word to describe himself.) hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 13:24:18 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:18:03 -0600 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: BANTERRe: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > At 12:43 PM 3/8/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > >>It's true the "Elm Street" firm as the rights to the name... > > > >You know, I've always wondered why they get away with lifting > >half the title of a now-part-of-the-colloquial-language movie, > >and are not sued, then jump on anyone who uses the second half > >of their name in a similar fashion. > > Sad, it's the world we live in. > It's pretty hard to sue someone once the trademark or copyright is granted. > All we can do is get over it and move on. > > You've haven't heard much about what Harley Davidson has gotten away with > have you? ;) > > They've managed to copyright or protect every colloquial term I grew up with. > As of a few months ago they had passed the initial applications on > registering a trademark for the "distinctive" sound of their engines despite > the fact they didn't invent the V-twin ("V-Twin" copyrighted by the Harley > Davidson Motor Co. and used here without their bloody permission). > While this sounds like a classic Urban Myth, last year the editor of > Harley's magazine, The Enthusiast, defended their engine sound protection > attempts in a magazine editorial. Their actions are also being debated in > various business publications. Trademarking the sound of their engines will > allow them to essentially stop after-market manufacturers of engines, > exhausts and engine parts... people who build better stuff than they do. > If they can get away with it why won't Ford, Chevy, Minolta, Hewlett Packard > and Osterizer? > > Is this how militia groups start? ;) > Denny > > B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > Yeah, we read the Harley sound-trademarking story a few months back and had a good laugh. They were actually spelling out in our newspaper the actual type of sound and how to SAY the sounds and we were cracking up trying to figure out how the written word was supposed to actually SOUND! (it was a little more in-depth than just saying vroom-vroom) Don't know whatever happened with it, though. Hey, watch those Hewlett-Packard digs!!! They pay my house payments!!! (and everything else!) ;D karen From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 14:40:30 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 18:02:13 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech!--banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver wrote: (Snip) >what would be an even BETTER term for people who love to haunt, and not >just as a business venture? (preferably one that doesn't sound like a >venereal disease), and can be FREE to the world and all its children! >'haunter' is a little lack-luster, though easy to spell and obvious. >'spook meister' is a little silly. >'supreme master of all things haunted' might be taken the wrong way. :-) >and on and on. . . Humm I think POLTERGEIST is the term your looking for. But again, I don't toss things across the room until I crack a knuckle on the workbench, (Most of the time..). "Halloween enthusiast" has been a descriptive word for me in the past (among others...:) Here's one Denny will like, "Terroroligist"<---Those who are into terror. "Terrorology"<---Those who study the art of terror. (I can hear the phones ringing in D.C. already) ;) John----Just a dude :) ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 14:42:26 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 16:32:03 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTERRe: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:18 PM 3/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hey, watch those Hewlett-Packard digs!!! They pay my house payments!!! >(and everything else!) ;D > >karen Not a dig! I love my HP printer. I do all my own wrenching on it just like on the Hogs. :) I'm afraid to go anywhere near my sissy little Canon printer with a torque wrench. ;) Denny Employees for Canon, please e-mail direct. B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 14:51:06 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 18:12:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"--reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Some great ideas! If anyone can get "THE FURNITURE GUYS" (Horse HAR), on their cable operator: TLC:The Learning Channel, they demonstrate these methods and others all the time. A great way to make a casket and then make it "old". If not to learn, it's a funny show to watch just the same. John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 16:41:22 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Oliver Holler wrote: > Hey everybody! > Here's something for each and every one of you. > Since 'Hauntrepreneur' IS taken and vigorously protected, > what would be an even BETTER term for people who love to haunt, and not Well, sticking with the faux French sound, there could be "Haunteur"... Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 17:54:05 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:08:11 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JD, Saving the wash water is a good idea. That way I can use the strong stuff I purchase from Denny for the more intense areas!! Thanks for the great idea!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 18:00:36 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:02:35 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 8 Mar 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-03-08 10:53:33 EST, you write: > > << JD, > > Thanks for the tip. Have ordered for $10. a UV dye sampling kit of theirs, > so soon will be able to view the "magenta" and other colors. > > Jim (jimk@rica.net) 3/8/97 >> > > I must have missed that post, please email me the address or phone number for > the sample kit. Jerry, Wildfire's adress is 11250 Playa Court, Culver City, CA. 90230 JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 18:16:52 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:15:19 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insect Chitinous Exoskeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Brian Rich wrote: > > I want to make oversized (roughly a foot long) insects such as beetles > and cockroackes. I have a pretty good handle on what the internals will > be to provide the limited motion (mainly antenna/mandible movement) but > I don't know what to use for the bodies. I want that glossy > semitransparent look of chitin. Should I cast in resin? or varnish over > paper or cardboard layers? anyone have any ideas? I'm willing to put > some time into this. Brian, I think your best bet is to use a clear cast resin.The varnish will stick to the paper/carboard and would take too many layers and too much time to make it a viable option. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 18:25:16 1997 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:27:06 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"--reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, John P. Jeffries wrote: > Some great ideas! > > If anyone can get "THE FURNITURE GUYS" (Horse HAR), on their cable operator: > TLC:The Learning Channel, they demonstrate these methods and others all the > time. A great way to make a casket and then make it "old". If not to learn, > it's a funny show to watch just the same. This is a great show! I'm not much of a furniture restorer but the host of the show are a riot.They have great tips on many types of faux finishes. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 20:11:03 1997 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 20:04:26 -0800 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Bell wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Oliver Holler wrote: > > > Hey everybody! > > Here's something for each and every one of you. > > Since 'Hauntrepreneur' IS taken and vigorously protected, > > what would be an even BETTER term for people who love to haunt, and not > > Well, sticking with the faux French sound, there could be > "Haunteur"... > > Dave French: Haunteur Spanish: Hauntador German: Hauntmeister (mentioned before?) -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Mar 8 23:46:47 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:01:52 -0700 Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hauntmeister? or how about HauntManiac? :) no better ideas,m brain is still like a weasel on speed. cleaning house for the hopeful move-in. gave a local 10 year old about 1.5 truckloads worth of stuph :) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 9 00:12:07 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:05:54 -0700 Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech!--banter To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Once we get a list, what do you say WE copyright the word as a general domain generic term for us creators of the dream? Copyrighting is $20 (used to be $10 back when I copyrigbhted my first song :) Harry "Yes, I CAN sing!" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 9 12:15:19 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 15:03:13 -0500 (EST) From: Gerald A Thoma To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: re: animatronics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug F. wrote: >If you haven't looked into the 'world's cheapest animatronic,' do yourself >a favor and go to my website: >http://members.aol.com/phanmmech I love it! You have created a great site and I can't wait for the book (well I can, I just don't want to). ;) I just might try making the ghost this year, thanks! I hope you can write up a down to earth explanation on how Midi is used in animation. I only comprehend the theory ( I think). I do have one question about the speech/eyes circuit. Is it possible to replace the led's with a small motor or have it in addition to them? I'm thinking that maybe you could move a hinged jaw that would move when a prerecorded or live speech is played through the circuit . Since I don't have much electronic expierience, any info would be appreciated. I have one more question. I have heard of something called a color or living organ . I understand that this device somehow alters wattage in devices hooked up to it. Could someone please tell me what this thing does and what it is used for. Thanks in advance! ________________________ Gerald Thoma Gthoma@polaris.umuc.edu ________________________ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 9 15:43:14 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 18:23:16 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech!--banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com So far, on the journey for a new (free) term. . . John(Mr.Scary) : "Terroroligist"<---Those who are into terror. "Terrorology"<---Those who study the art of terror. Dave: "Haunteur" Brian Wesley Rich: French-Haunteur Spanish-Hauntador German-Hauntmeister Dreamscape: HauntManiac and a few more: Hauntertainers Ghost-muster Chillusionists Haunticians Hauntist Ghoullusionists Frightengineers hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 9 16:40:29 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 19:31:39 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insect Chitinous Exoskeletons Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-08 15:23:35 EST, you write: I want to make oversized (roughly a foot long) insects such as beetles and cockroackes. I have a pretty good handle on what the internals will be to provide the limited motion (mainly antenna/mandible movement) but I don't know what to use for the bodies. I want that glossy semitransparent look of chitin. Should I cast in resin? or varnish over paper or cardboard layers? anyone have any ideas? I'm willing to put some time into this. Thanks for your help!! Brian Wesley R >> If you need any flexibility I think Phlex-glue or the cheaper "school-glue" may work. It dries crystal clear yet will bend and stretch like rubber. It can be tinted with almost anything, but for what you are doing I would use food coloring. Just some quick suggestions.... maybe someone else has a more High tec answer. Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 9 17:40:18 1997 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 17:24:17 -0800 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: color organ (was animatronics) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gerald A Thoma wrote: > I have one more question. I have heard of something called a color or > living organ . > I understand that this device somehow alters wattage in devices hooked up to > it. Could someone please tell me what this thing does and what it is used > for. > > Thanks in advance! A color organ uses a circuit that runs audio through one or more band pass filters in parallel, and takes the output of each filter to control a set of colored lights. Usually there are three or four "channels", so that the lows, midranges and highs control different colored lights. A single-channel color organ circuit can be used to control a lighting effect to start when the soundtrack goes within the frequency range of the circuit. For example, a circuit sensitive to low tones can be used to trigger strobe lights when the rumbling from a lightning storm soundtrack is played. For cheap circuits of many kinds, try The Electronic Goldmine at 602-451-7454. There is some discussion of this on the halloween-l archives. -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Mar 9 21:18:33 1997 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 21:58:26 -0800 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"--reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > > Some great ideas! > > If anyone can get "THE FURNITURE GUYS" (Horse HAR), on their cable operator: > TLC:The Learning Channel, they demonstrate these methods and others all the > time. A great way to make a casket and then make it "old". If not to learn, > it's a funny show to watch just the same. > > John. > ********************************* > * Mr.Scary Productions * > * http://www.mrscary.com * > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > * 1-812-824-8935 * > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > ********************************* How about a field trip. We can ask them to have a whole show on the fine art of old fashioned casket building and antiquing! :-) Yeah, field trip (this takes me back to about 7th grade). :-) Julie and Dwayne The crypt keepin' 2 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 03:09:02 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 19:21:25 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: animatronics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gerald Thoma wrote: I do have one question about the speech/eyes circuit. Is it possible to replace the led's with a small motor or have it in addition to them? I'm thinking that maybe you could move a hinged jaw that would move when a prerecorded or live speech is played through the circuit . Since I don't have much electronic expierience, any info would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- I have the schematics for what you want but it is a 120 v circuit. Can someone on the list who knows DC circuitry better than I convert it to DC, ( many AC circuits are just DC with a transformer) or would it be more trouble than its worth? I mean would it be better to build the circuit from the ground up. Any one who wants the schematic, please email me and I will draw it up in CAD and send it to you as a dxf or bmp file attached to your email. Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 03:28:38 1997 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 11:18:03 -0800 From: Scott Axworthy To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver and all: Oliver Holler wrote: > > Hey everybody! > Here's something for each and every one of you. > I've struggled with this for a lonnnnnng time, and I know this crew has the > perfect creative solution. > Since 'Hauntrepreneur' IS taken and vigorously protected (and anyone who > uses it gets a cease and desist letter from the holders, if found out) > what would be an even BETTER term for people who love to haunt, and not > just as a business venture? (preferably one that doesn't sound like a > venereal disease), and can be FREE to the world and all its children! > 'haunter' is a little lack-luster, though easy to spell and obvious. > 'spook meister' is a little silly. > 'supreme master of all things haunted' might be taken the wrong way. :-) > and on and on. . . > Let's start a name list! While it does not bring to mind the entrepreneurial aspects, this term is a descendant of another favorite term "Imagineer", how about: "Hauntineer", practioners in the field of "hauntineering". -Scott (Note: This posting Copyright (c) 1997 - Halloween-l mailing list. Every phrase, sentence, term, intention, nuance, word, and thought copyrighted, and trademark pending) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 04:24:58 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:13:18 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red UV Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 01:08 PM 2/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >JD, > Saving the wash water is a good idea. That way I can use the strong >stuff I purchase from Denny for the more intense areas!! Thanks for the >great idea!! >Kathy Hey Kathy, Thanks for the plug but it appears that for a blood red glow under UV/blacklight Wild Fire is the way to go. All I ever seen is pigment that looks like blood red under visible light but looks like redish-orange under blacklight. Maybe Jim Kadel would be willing to purchase larger quantities of the raw pigment and re-sell it to folks on the list? Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 04:36:14 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 07:34:43 EST To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Bill Lewis Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:43 PM 3/8/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>It's true the "Elm Street" firm as the rights to the name... > >You know, I've always wondered why they get away with lifting >half the title of a now-part-of-the-colloquial-language movie, >and are not sued, then jump on anyone who uses the second half >of their name in a similar fashion. > >If disney sued all the parks that have an 'imagineering division' >(they don't, because the term has entered the language, just >as 'animatronic' has...) there'd be chaos in the court system - >as if there isn't already. > >Elm Street H., if you read this..... oh, well, human nature isn't >about to change. ;-) I don't think that Disney originated the term "imagineering". I was introduced to the term back in a senior level engineering class by a professor (emaritus) Dan Pletta. I believe it originated from some french person around the turn of the century who wanted to expand the idea how engineering was considered. All this is a moot point as Denny has displayed with what Harley Davidson has done with the terminology, but I think the general use of the word is widespread enough so as there won't be many lawsuits over it, even if Disney does have a copyright on it. As for Elm Street, Gee, I'd love to live on one of the many thousands of Elm Streets in America just to make a haunt with the same name. >:) Bill Lewis NSWC Carderock Division Code 6060 (301) 227-2742 lewisw@oasys.dt.navy.mil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 06:35:39 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Blood Red UV Fluorescent Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:31:21 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Humm...a few days ago I asked the question. Now I'm about to market the answer? ...that's real pressure...blood of course ;} As yet I haven't yet rec'd the "red" sample from "Wildfire" or the $10 sample UV dye kit from its distributers. After experimentation with these and some other ideas, I'll definitely report results to the List. However, It seems evident, listening to those with experience, that "blood red" under Blacklite is NOT possible, but some shade of glowing red/orange is. With the UV red dye that Denny mentions, you could build a "blood red fountain" in visible light, with a sudden blacklite changeover to an even scarier scene utilizing invisible (in visible light) UV painted backgrounds, etc. That's my hauntenginerrie [copywrong] idea for the day. Jim Kadel (Jimk@rica.net) At 06:13 AM 3/10/97 -0600, you wrote: >At 01:08 PM 2/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >>JD, >> Saving the wash water is a good idea. That way I can use the strong >>stuff I purchase from Denny for the more intense areas!! Thanks for the >>great idea!! >>Kathy > >Hey Kathy, > Thanks for the plug but it appears that for a blood red glow under >UV/blacklight Wild Fire is the way to go. All I ever seen is pigment that >looks like blood red under visible light but looks like redish-orange under >blacklight. Maybe Jim Kadel would be willing to purchase larger quantities >of the raw pigment and re-sell it to folks on the list? >Denny > >B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 07:18:02 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 02:38:10 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: HH illusion idea..... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok, Del taco has released a “magic cube” were Darth Vader and Yoda’s face change from one to the other. I hope that because this “toy” has been marketed to death that the other magicians on the list wont be upset with me for discussing it as a possible HH effect. If I have blown it again please email me privately and politely give me hell. I really would like to get a feel for what I can use as a subject matter for illusions to HH effects on the open list. Anyway..... The following is my PERSONAL assessment of the illusion and my personal Opinion of how it can be applied to HH use. (others may have a different view point and their mileage may vary.) The cube has an opaque bottom, top and two adjoining sides. the remaining sides are of transparent plastic. You look in from on side and as you move your view to the other the image changes. The cube uses a standard technique with a mirror. Anyone that handles the cube long enough will understand how it works. What I don’t like about the design is that the face (Darth’s/yoda’s) is “floating” in space. This gives an immediate clue that the “bust” is not real, Thus detracting from the climax of the change. I would have brought the “face” or "bust" down to the bottom of the cube. What I propose is a gothic looking art display cabinet with two glass panels just like the cube, with a medieval helmet or a “sculpture”. As the audience or customers walk by the art display case the bust could change expression or turn into a completely different object. I like the more subtle and therefor “creepy” approach of a slight change in expression. I will expand on this concept more if there is any interest in it and my half brethren of magicians don’t give me a “pillow party” : ) (that was a joke.) . Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 07:18:08 1997 From: Mufasa1023@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:24:45 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Oliver, How about Hauntaholic ? Steve From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 07:57:00 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:51:19 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood Red UV Fluorescent Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:31 AM 3/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >However, >It seems evident, listening to those with experience, that "blood red" >under Blacklite is NOT possible, but some shade of glowing red/orange is. Hey Jim, I haven't heard anyone admit to it not being possible. I've never personally seen it, but that doesn't mean a thing, as I mentioned before, my experience is pretty limited. The darkest red I've played with turns orange under intense UV. Poorly lit by UV and I guess you could almost call it blood red. Certainly not what we're looking for. I know Wild Fire has some pretty unusual colors. If anyone can supply it, they can. If they don't have it then I would venture to say it can't be done safely. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 08:08:34 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:58:18 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Barry Wulfe Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Actually, the "Suits" really do not have much of a choice. Under U.S. copywrite and Trademark law, they have to take action against anyone using their property (Pictures of Toons are included), or else they face the possiblility of these items falling into the category of "Public Domain", in which case they would loose all rights to royalties. >Earlier, in the last exciting show..... > >(snip) >> >>If disney sued all the parks that have an 'imagineering division' >>(they don't, because the term has entered the language, just >>as 'animatronic' has...) there'd be chaos in the court system - >>as if there isn't already. > >As a tid-bit of info not related to Halloween: > >Did anyone read where Disney went after a Day-Care center for having >pictures of the "toons" on the outside??? I really don't think "everyone" at >Disney would have went after them...But the suits did, and they (day-care) >had to remove all the pictures...I wonder how the kids felt... > >Tatoo places also are not allowed to use Disney characters (From what I >understand)..Bummer, I really wanted "Tigger" :) > >Back to the show. > >John >********************************* >* Mr.Scary Productions * >* http://www.mrscary.com * >* E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * >* 1-812-824-8935 * >* FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * >********************************* Barry Wulfe bwulfe@txdirect.net http://www.txdirect.net/users/bwulfe From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 08:14:06 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:59:55 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTERRe: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com it! -Reply >>> 3/8/97 5:32 pm >>> I'm afraid to go anywhere near my sissy little Canon printer with a torque wrench. ;) Denny Employees for Canon, please e-mail direct. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, but isn't the engine in HP printers a design from Canon? Or is it the other way around? ;-D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: rda413@smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil WWW: http://crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 08:25:50 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:15:11 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"--reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Julie, Knowing those two guys I am sure that they would do a show on casket making!! I think that would be so much fun!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 08:30:56 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Wood To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: animatronics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: Anything from about 12v-3.5v DC can be easily made by adding a transformer which can be found at your local Radio Shack. If the transformer does not drop the voltage enough adding some series resistors should do the trick. The nice about running an AC circuit through a transformer is that you don't have to worry about checking and replacing batteries. > I have the schematics for what you want but it is a 120 v circuit. > Can someone on the list who knows DC circuitry better than I > convert it to DC, ( many AC circuits are just DC with a transformer) > or would it be more trouble than its worth? > I mean would it be better to build the circuit from the ground up. > Any one who wants the schematic, please email me and I will draw it up > in CAD and send it to you as a dxf or bmp file attached to your email. > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > > (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ > Nathan woodn@lbcc.cc.or.us sargon9271@aol.com ************************************************************************ How can you intergrate pi when the instructor will not tell you if it is apple or cherry? "The earth sucks at a constant rate." John Griffith Physics Instructor ************************************************************************ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 09:08:51 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Blood Red UV Fluorescent Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:59:29 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, > I know Wild Fire has some pretty unusual colors. If anyone can supply it, >they can. If they don't have it then I would venture to say it can't be done >safely. "Wildfire" is sending me a sample of the best they could do, but suggested that it wouldn't be "blood red". Add that to what you and others on the List have said about their personal Blacklite experience, and that's why I said: "NOT possible". Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 09:21:12 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:09:28 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: HH illusion idea..... -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> 03/10/97 01:38am >>> > I will expand on this concept more if there is any interest in it and my half > brethren of magicians donAEt give me a opillow partyo : ) > (that was a joke.) No objections here. ...No pillow parties either. I prefer much more subtle, devious, slower, and more enjoyable (for me, at least) forms of retribution. :) I agree with your assessment of the "deception endurance" of the TB prop. I have yet to see anyone fooled by it for more than 30 seconds; most figure it out in under 5! I think we're in little danger of treading on hallowed ground with this discussion. Besides, this toy is so specialized that I think most non-magicians would have a very difficult translating the small lesson learned by it into any useful "inside" knowledge when watching a real, undead magician. About your idea... I like it a lot! Let's travel down this conceptual road a bit and see what we stumble across, shall we? The first limitation I can see is that you'll need to control the angles so the spectators can't see "out the other window" when looking in one side or the other. If they are allowed too much lateral movement, they will end up seeing themselves looking in what should be the other window. Hopefully, that should be easy enough to control, though. Another potential problem is the virtual seam where the two halves (one real, one reflected) join together. In the TB toy, the Vader half has some good natural camouflage due to the natural design of his helmet. The Yoda half, on the other hand, has a very obvious and awkward seam running down the middle of his head. A little brainstorming and creative creature-design may turn up some ways to at least minimize the "splitting headache" effect. The first application that came to mind is a transformation of a gargoyle from stone to flesh. (Think I watch too many cartoons?) The first side is just a stone(-looking) gargoyle. The second side has the gargoyle in the same pose with a few subtle changes. The color can be a bit more flesh-toned (whatever tone a gargoyle's flesh is) and the more ambitious of us can add simulated breathing movements under a foam/latex chest. Now for the "Gargoyle of My Dreams": A possible enhancement to this effect would be to add a concave eye structure to the "B Side" while keeping a standard convex eye for the first; sort of like a mini anti-mask effect on the second half. If the eye is big enough (and with a gargoyle, there's enough creative license to make it almost any size), it should produce the effect of the eyes follow- ing the spectator. Here's the kicker: If I'm tracing the light rays correctly in my mind, BOTH EYES WILL FOLLOW! (Somebody please check me on this. I'm at the office and can't seem to find any- thing to create a quick experiment to confirm my suspicions.) This would also add a subtle touch of asymmetry to dissuade any thoughts of mirrors. The end result is a stone gargoyle that comes alive; changing "skin" tone, developing breathing, and watching the spectators! Again, the watching thing is only if I'm mentally tracing the rays appropriately. Well, that got the creative juices flowing. Any further thoughts anyone? Dave - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 09:27:10 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:23:22 -0800 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"--reply To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *> Knowing those two guys I am sure that they would do a show on casket *>making!! I think that would be so much fun!! *>Kathy *>the new kid on the crypt *>mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com *> When I was down at Walt Disney World this past fall, I attended a class at Disney Institute called "Painting Illusions". They usually teach how to do faux finishing and such, but seeing as how this class was approaching Halloween, they had some of the painters who handle the Haunted Mansion come in and they talked about making materials look like cracked old stone, marble, etc.. Very worthwhile. Unfortunately, it was already late September and really too late to start anything for the 31st...;) The class is great for those of you wanting a beginners' look at how to make things seem different with paint and a few other simple ingredients... This class would probably be too basic for some of the more experienced Haunt-________-ers (fill in the blank) out there. I had fun all the same... -- "Its a world of nightmares, a world of fears. Its a world of hor-ror, a world of tears. There's so much that can scare, that its time to beware, its a dark world after all...." ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 09:42:37 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry: I don't think *this* one will stir up any controversy; hope not, at any rate! That's what this whole list is about - sharing ideas and expertise with others of a similar bent. As far as I'm concerned, everyone is welcome here, but no single subscriber or "class" should expect exclusivity or control of the list (moderators excepted!!). If some of the concepts expressed and detailed here step on some professional toes, I sympathasize, but don't really feel that this is a general, public, forum; as a group of enthusiasts, don't we all qualify as "professionals" within our group specialty? That said, YES, please do elaborate! Dave - with his neck in the illusionists' guillotine! On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > If I have blown it again please email me privately and politely give me hell. > I really would like to get a feel for what I can use as a subject matter for > illusions to HH effects on the open list. > > I will expand on this concept more if there is any interest in it and my half > brethren of magicians don’t give me a “pillow party” : ) > (that was a joke.) > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 09:44:25 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:45:29 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: njg@cc.UManitoba.CA (Nick Gloor) Subject: power supplies was Re: animatronics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > >Anything from about 12v-3.5v DC can be easily made by adding a transformer >which can be found at your local Radio Shack. > Having built a few linear power supplies I am tending in the direction of buying wall warts for the low voltage/current stuff. You can get them in all the common combinations and some unusual ones as well if you look at a supplier like Jameco or Digikey. They tend to be ul/csa approved which makes me happier when using them. They don't toast the furniture if you dropped a decimal point and perhaps most importantly the people who build them make so many there is no way I can custom build one for the same price I can buy one, its also in a tidy little case which keeps curious little fingers out... >If the transformer does not drop >the voltage enough adding some series resistors should do the trick. I tried this once with a supply I built for a guitar amplifier. It seems resistors don't work once you let all the smoke out of them. This comes from being in a hurry, and futzing the calculations. >The >nice about running an AC circuit through a transformer is that you don't >have to worry about checking and replacing batteries. I like the isolation from the power mains as well. One thing to consider when starting to use AC power to run things where people might get into it is to add GFI (ground fault interuptors) outlets to the setup. Nick Gloor njg@cc.umanitoba.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 10:03:43 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:03:56 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: njg@cc.UManitoba.CA (Nick Gloor) Subject: Re: power supplies was Re: animatronics Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: >> >>Anything from about 12v-3.5v DC can be easily made by adding a transformer >>which can be found at your local Radio Shack. >> > I believe I misattributed this, my apologies Nick Gloor njg@cc.umanitoba.ca From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 10:09:58 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:53:47 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Robyn Dochterman Subject: Re: "Antiquing and Faux finishes"--reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill wrote: > When I was down at Walt Disney World this past fall, I attended > a class at Disney Institute called "Painting Illusions". I noticed they now have a little class on imagineering at the Disney Institute. Did you get a chance to take that, too? If so, was it too basic? --Robyn Robyn Dochterman Interactive editor Star Tribune Online Robdoc@startribune.com http://www.startribune.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Creativity is ability led by imagination" --Doug Ferguson ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 10:56:38 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:46:27 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTERRe: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:59 AM 3/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Denny >Employees for Canon, please e-mail direct. ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > >but isn't the engine in HP printers a design from Canon? Or is it the other way around? ;-D > This appears to be a surplus helicopter engine like Tucker used in his cars. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 12:14:01 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 09:59:04 PST From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Ok, Del taco has released a =93magic cube=94 were Darth Vader and Yoda=92= > s face > change from one to the other. I hope that because this =93toy=94 has been > marketed to death that the other magicians on the list wont be upset wit= > h me > for discussing it as a possible HH effect. > I purchased this toy as well, with the same thought ("hmmm this *could* work for halloween"). We are toying (pun intended) with different ideas for what we call the 'janus effect' (for lack of a better term), including a severed head to skull, hand holding candle to werewolf holding candle, etc. > > Anyway..... > > The cube uses a standard technique with a mirror. Anyone that handles the > cube long enough will understand how it works. True... A $1.50 magic trick is still just a $1.50 magic trick... It's the *presentation* that makes it special. B-) > just like the cube, with a medieval helmet or a =93sculpture=94. As the a= > udience > or customers walk by the art display case the bust could change expressio= > n or > turn into a completely different object. I like the more subtle and there= > for > =93creepy=94 approach of a slight change in expression. > Subtle is *good*... Maybe few people will notice, but they will appreciate it more than you rubbing their noses in it. B-) THomas W Oliver |"Carpe Denarii - 'seize the dough' (TWO)" Network Security Officer | telephone: 619 458-2175 Science Applications International Corp.| fax: 619 535-7860 4110 Campus Point Court MS G2 | e-mail: oliver@nemesis.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | e-mail: Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 12:21:33 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:07:52 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re:banter/ power supplies Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:45 AM 3/10/97 -0600, you wrote in very small part: >It seems resistors don't work once you let all the smoke out of them. ROFL, Most important thing I've read in months! It should be in every book ever written on electronics. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 12:32:31 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:02:52 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason Christman Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >The end result is a stone gargoyle that comes alive; changing "skin" >tone, developing breathing, and watching the spectators! Again, >the watching thing is only if I'm mentally tracing the rays >appropriately. > >Well, that got the creative juices flowing. Any further thoughts >anyone? > >Dave - daveki@nebfef.com > How about a human head that transforms into a rotting skull? --JASON CHRISTMAN-- ************************************* * E-MAIL: jasonch@jersey.net * * HOMEPAGE: www.jersey.net/~jasonch * ************************************* "Why yes---a bulletproof vest." -- James Rodges, murderer, on his final request before the firing squad From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 15:22:59 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:34:51 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Ok, Del taco has released a ìmagic cubeî were Darth Vader and Yodaís face >change from one to the other. Speaking of Taco Bell, how many times can *you* count the Star Wars theme song being played there in one hour.. My count last was 27 times!! in one hour! Talk about overkill.! Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 15:45:16 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:42:16 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> Jason Christman 03/10/97 02:02pm >>> >>Well, that got the creative juices flowing. Any further thoughts >>anyone? >How about a human head that transforms into a rotting skull? Another good idea! That also reminds me of something I wanted to include in my first post. Keep in mind as we're coming up with ideas that some illusions may be more effective and perhaps even easier or more flexible by using a different method. The head-to-skull effect may be better done as a Pepper's Ghost effect with automated dimmer switches controlling which image is visible. The visual fading of the living tissue can be quite dramatic under the correct lighting conditions. Also, remember the Blue Room technique, which may make a person-to-werewolf effect more startling. The effect happens in direct view and at the end the creature is free to move toward the audience. You probably don't want to build the effect around the method. Rather, keep clearly in mind the desired effect and then experiment with different methods until you find one that best suits the requirements. Not that I'm trying to discourage anyone from exploring the diff- erent effects possible with this method; I strongly encourage it. I'm just suggesting that before anyone takes an idea discussed here and starts building, you may want to analyze the appropriateness of this method versus alternative methods. Have I thoroughly confused everyone now? :) Dave - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 16:13:13 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:07:06 -0500 From: Allan Clifford To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Crypt Keeper Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone on the list have any of the animated Crypt Keepers (made by Spencer's) that they would like to sell? I am working on a project that requires 4-5 of them. My local Spencer's said they would sell the new one's for $300 if I ordered two or more. Email me at aclifford@ntr.net if you have any to sell or know where I can find a better deal, if thats possible. Thanks! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 16:57:01 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:19:58 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween list Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, i am trying to get added to the Halloween list and wasn't sure if this was the exact address I should be subscribing to or not. please let me know. Wil crafters@silcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 17:55:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:49:35 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This was submitted: >>If disney sued all the parks that have an 'imagineering division' >>(they don't, because the term has entered the language, just >>as 'animatronic' has...) there'd be chaos in the court system - >>as if there isn't already. > >and then this: Actually, the "Suits" really do not have much of a choice. Under U.S. copywrite and Trademark law, they have to take action against anyone using their property (Pictures of Toons are included), or else they face the possiblility of these items falling into the category of "Public Domain", in which case they would loose all rights to royalties. pardon me for being slow... but dose anyone own "Imagineer" or not? I have not been able to gleam this from the former discussions.... jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 17:57:05 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: Toons & Suits -- BANTER Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:53:42 -0800 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >As a tid-bit of info not related to Halloween: > >Did anyone read where Disney went after a Day-Care center for having >pictures of the "toons" on the outside??? I really don't think "everyone" at >Disney would have went after them...But the suits did, and they (day-care) >had to remove all the pictures...I wonder how the kids felt... There have been more than a few instances of this happening; I recall one where, after the suits started harrassing a daycare centre, the folks at Hanna-Barbera gave them carte blanche to paint H-B characters on their walls...talk about good promotion! Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 18:29:16 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:19:16 -0700 Subject: power supplies was Re: animatronics To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For dropping DC voltage through a power suppluy, using a power transistor as a regular circuit may be a better bet. Naturally, you will need to do some number crunching to figure out your power consumptions and how big to make things. Series resistors I don't like using because their voltage drop varies with the current running through it, so your voltage may not be at all what you expect (translate, your circuit will let some smoke out).... Harry "electronics wizard" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 19:46:45 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:37:14 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Toons & Suits -- BANTER Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>As a tid-bit of info not related to Halloween: >> >>Did anyone read where Disney went after a Day-Care center for having >>pictures of the "toons" on the outside??? I really don't think "everyone" at >>Disney would have went after them...But the suits did, and they (day-care) >>had to remove all the pictures...I wonder how the kids felt... > >There have been more than a few instances of this happening; I recall one >where, after the suits started harrassing a daycare centre, the folks at >Hanna-Barbera gave them carte blanche to paint H-B characters on their >walls...talk about good promotion! Ahh, then there was the day care that had Mickey and Minnie painted on the Wall of the Bathroom!.. I remember the quote from Disney went something like this, "We do not feel that this is the appropriate place for Mickey and Minnie to be seen" Jay "I don't have Mickey painted on my bathroom wall.. Really, Shhhh.. No I don't tell anyone.. There isn't any Mickey's around my house at all.." ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Mar 10 21:13:33 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 22:29:26 est From: "ECSTASY CRUISE STAFF" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Taco Illusion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gang, The thickness of the mirror can be reduced by buying Front Silvered Mirrors. My friend is an Illusion builder and uses these only for big money tricks because of the increased expense in manufacturing these. Not sure about the source. Edmund Sci? couldn't reach friend for comment. Tim eccruise@carnival.com PS although I am loving the discussion here, the IS Manager here on the ship is on my butt about 123,000 e-mails I am receiving. What is the sequence to get off. hate to, but must. Big Daddy you listnin? Help. Tim ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at INTERNET Date: 3/10/97 9:59 AM > Ok, Del taco has released a =93magic cube=94 were Darth Vader and Yoda=92= > s face > change from one to the other. I hope that because this =93toy=94 has been > marketed to death that the other magicians on the list wont be upset wit= > h me > for discussing it as a possible HH effect. > I purchased this toy as well, with the same thought ("hmmm this *could* work for halloween"). We are toying (pun intended) with different ideas for what we call the 'janus effect' (for lack of a better term), including a severed head to skull, hand holding candle to werewolf holding candle, etc. > > Anyway..... > > The cube uses a standard technique with a mirror. Anyone that handles the > cube long enough will understand how it works. True... A $1.50 magic trick is still just a $1.50 magic trick... It's the *presentation* that makes it special. B-) > just like the cube, with a medieval helmet or a =93sculpture=94. As the a= > udience > or customers walk by the art display case the bust could change expressio= > n or > turn into a completely different object. I like the more subtle and there= > for > =93creepy=94 approach of a slight change in expression. > Subtle is *good*... Maybe few people will notice, but they will appreciate it more than you rubbing their noses in it. B-) THomas W Oliver |"Carpe Denarii - 'seize the dough' (TWO)" Network Security Officer | telephone: 619 458-2175 Science Applications International Corp.| fax: 619 535-7860 4110 Campus Point Court MS G2 | e-mail: oliver@nemesis.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | e-mail: Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 00:25:02 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:21:16 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: HH illusion idea..... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave wrote: Way to much great material to repeat here... Wow, nice job analyzing the obstacles and extrapolating the possibilities Dave. But you did not leave me much to say......... yeah right ;-) I give it a go... My first thought was how cheesy the trick was (no flames please this is just my opinion) and then I applied a good rule I learned as a kid: No bad tricks, just bad presentations. I once wanted to see how far I could take that. I was 10 when I tried this experiment. I choose the worst magic trick I could find in one of my books ( it was a finger cutting trick where you use your own index finger to “cut” your victims...I mean volunteer's finger. They would yelp in pain and swear they could feel a knife blade. It struck me how dumb it was that magic “spell” would be created by the ancient necromancers to basically give someone a “nuggy”. I began to work out a more “realistic” reason for the end effect and came up with a “hypnotism” routine. The “cut finger was the climax that demonstrated I had “control” over their mind! It went from being the worst trick I knew to one of my best! Any basic illusion can be applied this way to HH work if you can find the justification for the effect to go with your “theme”. That is sometimes very hard I admit, but in this case It was easy for me (or I was lucky to have the particular subconscious synopses firing off that day) to find a justification for this effect in my style of haunted house. I do not have to even change the basic “presentation” just the “subject”. to use the “method” of the magic cube. Dave already covered many of the added effects that can build it into a total effect. The “subject” needs to not be inconspicuous. By this I mean If we used a birthday cake that changed into a lasagna, the effect would be ruined by the spectator wondering why food is being protected by the art display case. That will raise suspicion that the “case” is being used for something other than “dust” protection and security. “gee, the display case must doing the trick...” The subject must be an object that would NATURALLY be held inside such a case. I will probably use a knights helmet because the “seam” will be easy to miss in a metal looking structure that is made up of many “seams” unlike the face of a person or even a monster for the most part. I am thinking of changing the “expression” (the way the eye slots and breathing holes are crafted into the helmet.) Plus a dim light from the eyes. The angle to control the “line of sight” is more than 45 degrees and thus presents little difficulty. maybe set it behind some of those red velvet ropes. But even if the angles were not controlled the mirror image inside can easily be explained as an simple “glass” refection. I would not worry about it to much. But only because in this case the effect dose not command a "figure this out if you can challenge”. One of the reasons I like HH performing, the audience is much more willing to suspend disbelief as opposed to a human performing a magic trick. There is not that pressure for the spectator to figure out the method to prevent from feeling stupid. A good magician and a good performance will also prevent this unwanted side effect. Which again is why the “trick” is less important than the performer. However in the defense of keeping secretes, if the “tricks” were common knowledge it would be difficult for the magician to hold a spectator’s attention long enough for his or her performance to produce the desired and entertaining effect! So you should NOT tell lay people how a magic trick is done or even how a HH effect is done because it dose a disservice to the next performer who tries to use the trick to deliver their unique “performance." (Soap box mode off!) Anyway, we could interchange the “subject” at random to come up with other objects that would also fit the theme, fit the conditions, not be absurd in its presence AND HAVE A SEAM that would not be conspicious. I flipped through a dictionary and came up with a “ship in a bottle” a “sword” a “shield” a “china dish with a gothic pattern on its face” and others. My next letter on the subject will discus the construction concerns of the “display case”. Yours ghouly Jerry - ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 00:43:28 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:40:01 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Jerry's schematic for the AC circuit Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com YIPES! I got more responses than I can handle... I will figure out a way to fit it on my web site (AOL dose not give us much room) or post it to one of the others who offered (thanks to you all) when I do I will let you all know via the list. Sorry, I did not realize the number of list members would be so much... -jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 02:03:16 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:52:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Spells, and spelling,You summon it, you feed it! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >but dose anyone own "Imagineer" or not? Considering the fact that Universal studios uses the term, and has not been sued by Disney, I think not. I applied to their 'imagineering dept.' while on a job hunt. This may or may not count as a scientific test. ;-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 02:07:53 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:58:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jerry's schematic for the AC circuit To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >(AOL dose not give us much >room... Good grief! You have the option of having 5 screen names, each with 2 megabutes of FTP! That adds up to 10 Megabytes of site space, with a bit of clever linking. :-) I believe that's more free FTP than ANY service offers for basic membership! -Doug P.S. (I know this because I am taking advantage of it!) *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 02:18:27 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 04:08:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: animatronics To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I do have one question about the speech/eyes circuit. Is it possible to >replace the led's with a small motor or have it in addition to them? Yes, of course, and another listmember has graciously pointed this out. :-) However, I think that, given the low-light situation the FCG is supposed to fly in, that you will have more drama with the flashing eyes. Why spend the dollars (and counter the extra mechanical weight) when a simpler approch can deliver the goods? You are the artist, of course... I merely mention this to save you the trouble of encountering mechanical complications that may vex you needlessly. A father can't help opining on his offspring. ;-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 08:29:14 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: New Listserver & Digests Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:57:11 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yesterday Tim wrote in part: ---------------------------------------------- > Tim > eccruise@carnival.com > > PS although I am loving the discussion here, the IS Manager here on > the ship is on my butt about 123,000 e-mails I am receiving. What is > the sequence to get off. hate to, but must. Big Daddy you listnin? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Do I not recall a message sometime ago (January?) from Don Bertino, stating that he was going to switch Halloween-L to a new Listserver that would offer Digests of daily messages (among other new things)? Does anyone know WHEN we can expect these valuable (IMHO) functions to be offered? Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 08:33:30 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:06:18 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Taco Illusion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > PS although I am loving the discussion here, the IS Manager here on > the ship is on my butt about 123,000 e-mails I am receiving. What is > the sequence to get off. hate to, but must. Big Daddy you listnin? > Help. > Oh come on.. They cant handle getting 20 messages a day thur there system?.. Do they have to pay for the transmissions {I am assumeing that you guys just arnt connected to a phone line, since your on a ship.. Yes?} Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 09:18:11 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:10:45 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Doesn anyone know about this? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:59 PM 3/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can download, or purchase simple instructions for >the classic guillitean trick (head chopper) I am planning on adding 2 of >them to my haunted attraction this year and I am still baffled after working >on a few Ideas for over 2 hours last night. (I'm sure I feel really stupid >after finding out the real soultion!!) The best magic guillotine you'll find is one made for magician Will Rock, back in the '30s I believe. You'll find it mentioned in older illusion books as the Will Rock Guillotine. Good Luck, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 09:33:16 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:26:54 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: New Listserver & Digests Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:57 AM 3/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Do I not recall a message sometime ago (January?) from Don Bertino, stating >that he was going to switch Halloween-L to a new Listserver that would >offer Digests of daily messages (among other new things)? Does anyone >know WHEN we can expect these valuable (IMHO) functions to be offered? > >Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) Best thing to do if you want to find out WHEN is to write Don direct at . I'm sure he'd be happy to help. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 10:45:13 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:27:58 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: hauntrepre- blech!--banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > So far, on the journey for a new (free) term. . . > Here's a few more for your list: Frighteneer Specter Director Darkitect Scarecrafter Effectician Terror Tech Spectralist Debbie Faber Spooky Rookie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 13:16:51 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:06:44 -0600 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: hearsenpeneur Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com hello gathered ghouls, just a note...earlier there was a discussion on hearses... there is a new site for hearses on the net it is... http://www.hearse.com its a very interesting site with many pics, horsedrawn to the present. Some people from the list have wrote me asking how and where i got my hearses...well I am getting ready to buy another :) I have told these ppl and will tell the list...If you want a hearse let me know what ya want...years/s, make/s, price...and i will see what I can find, I have a lot of resources for them...also if you come across one let me know please...donno how many more Kelly will let me have, but am sure going to push the limits :) hearse-master jimmy let someone challenge my claim -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab'em, we slab'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 13:46:05 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:03:03 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: hearsenpeneur Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:06 PM 3/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >hello gathered ghouls, > > just a note...earlier there was a discussion on hearses... >there is a new site for hearses on the net it is... > http://www.hearse.com Another is the "Grim-Riders" club...neat site. John--Coach-owner 1949 Miller/Cad :) ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 13:51:58 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:37:40 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: guillotine (sp?) idea Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Have just had a stroke of genius (possibly... and may be the only one I've ever had!). We've all been talking about the guillotine problem and how to make it real with a dropping head and all. How about this idea: fix up a regular working unit (no fake, but dull the blade). Have a dummy body laid out on the bench. For the head, get one of the "ripped off" heads that Denny or John can get you (one of the body parts series). Since the head is bloodied and screaming already, looks like the person has been beaten severely before execution. The neck has part of a spine and such left though. Trim this off square. Then, using a stick, carrot, velcro, whatever to attach the head to the body. Decorate with the usual blood and such. When the blade drops, it cuts through whatever is holding up the head, "separating" the head from the body and it then drops! The head mentioned is very realistic and in the dark, would look live. Animatronics or a person hidden under the bench could be used for body/arm motion. Since the head is made from foam rubber, weight should be added for bounce reduction and good thudding (sick ain't I??). This could also work for a victim that is "brought in live". Have a fake body and head as described above, but have a black execution hood over the head. Then 2 guys drag the person in between them, the victim looking passed out. Lay it out, chop off the head, and then pull out the head to show people. The initial shock of seeing an actual "head" come out from under the hood would be delicious to watch! MUUHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahhaha! Now, am I crazy, or what?? }:-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 15:39:51 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 18:21:27 est From: "ECSTASY CRUISE STAFF" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: guillotine (sp?) idea Hand Chopper Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gang, There is a magicians prop called the Hand Chopper it is made by Mac magic. They are the Wholesaler but these can be found in most magic shops or mail order. The victim's hand actually is in the slot and when the blade comes crashing down the hand lops off into the basket. The ad reads "It chops, it lops, it drops!" The prop is very magicianny looking and will need to be dressed (down or up) whichever is best. Alice Cooper utilized a head guillotine which worked on the same principal in his Welcome to my Nightmare tour. His was about 8ft tall and was very imposing looking. Tim eccruise@carnival.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: guillotine (sp?) idea Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at INTERNET Date: 3/11/97 5:32 PM Have just had a stroke of genius (possibly... and may be the only one I've ever had!). We've all been talking about the guillotine problem and how to make it real with a dropping head and all. How about this idea: fix up a regular working unit (no fake, but dull the blade). Have a dummy body laid out on the bench. For the head, get one of the "ripped off" heads that Denny or John can get you (one of the body parts series). Since the head is bloodied and screaming already, looks like the person has been beaten severely before execution. The neck has part of a spine and such left though. Trim this off square. Then, using a stick, carrot, velcro, whatever to attach the head to the body. Decorate with the usual blood and such. When the blade drops, it cuts through whatever is holding up the head, "separating" the head from the body and it then drops! The head mentioned is very realistic and in the dark, would look live. Animatronics or a person hidden under the bench could be used for body/arm motion. Since the head is made from foam rubber, weight should be added for bounce reduction and good thudding (sick ain't I??). This could also work for a victim that is "brought in live". Have a fake body and head as described above, but have a black execution hood over the head. Then 2 guys drag the person in between them, the victim looking passed out. Lay it out, chop off the head, and then pull out the head to show people. The initial shock of seeing an actual "head" come out from under the hood would be delicious to watch! MUUHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahhaha! Now, am I crazy, or what?? }:-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 17:45:24 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:33:32 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jerry's schematic for the AC circuit Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-11 11:56:18 EST, you write: Good grief! You have the option of having 5 screen names, each with 2 megabutes of FTP! That adds up to 10 Megabytes of site space, with a bit of clever linking. :-) I believe that's more free FTP than ANY service offers for basic membership! -Doug P.S. (I know this because I am taking advantage of it!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- I am sharing the screen names, The graphics use up about 1/6 of a meg each, clever linking!!!!??? I have only been on the internet for a few months, give me time to catch up please.... (I was told by a sales guy that "netcom" has the most...10 or 20 per name? anyway even if that is not true I wish my email and web page was not already set up or I would leave AOL, thay will kick you out now if you are not sitting at the keyboard while downloading! Every 30 minutes you must check a pop up box to stay on line! no mater what you are doing, including downloading their upgrades that take 2 to 6 hours......) -jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 11 17:48:22 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:47:31 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: chemical question w/special effect.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >about chemical smoke........ > >There is a special effects distributor out here in California called >TriChem not tri chem, but Tri-Ess... he requires you to have a license just like all reputable vendos for the good (bad harmful) stuff. I am not sure about the out-of-state stuff though. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume