From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 18:46:44 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:41:02 -0700 Subject: Knotts??? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com "Usually, the Knotts haunt will run from october 10th until november 3rd, operating, fridays, saturdays, sundays. Tickets are available from ticketron, and they sell out FAST... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 19:12:42 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:12:27 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > At 09:27 PM 2/27/97 -0800, Kathy wrote: > >Hi Ghouls, > > My hubby tried last year to make the > >strobe sync to the thunder tape and almost lost his mind!! > > Hey Kathy, > I just wanted to mention that I used strobes sync'd to thunder for 4 or 5 > years and was never happy with the light output even though my last strobe > setup was two 75 watt units. > For the last couple of years I've gone to using regular incandescent flood > lights in sync with the thunder. The light is more yellow but the output is > much more noticeable. Now, people never fail to comment on the "lightning". > I think the main problem with strobes is caused from the duration of the > flash being so short. Maybe with larger 750 and 1,500 watt strobes this > wouldn't be a problem. > ...and it's obvious a couple of $6.00 flood light bulbs are easier to have > around than a couple of $75.00, 75 watt strobes. > I did try halogen flood lights but found the warm-up time for the bulbs > was too long for a decent flash. > Denny > > B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > Could you possibly tell me how this sync was accomplished? Is this something an electronic dufus could do? And what was used for the sound? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 19:26:23 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:26:17 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-18 19:11:40 EST, you write: > > << I am looking for contact lenses that would make my eyes bright red or > black that doesn't cost many hundreds of dollars. This would really make > my Death Lord mask stand up and dance, but so far the contacts I've > found cost $250.00 to $400.00, and I don't know if I want to dance that > bad. Anyone know of these available for say $75.00? >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------- > > I found a way to make CHEAP (about $20 )colored contact lens. > But I would be at risk with the law if I help you with this. I have > been told the laws on "practicing medicine without a license" is > serious to the point that professional special > effects technicians hire doctors to make such. > Can anyone on the list give me reliable advice in this area? > I would be pleased to share the information as it is one of my > home brewed Ideas I am very proud of. > But I don’t want to go to jail over a little showing off! :-) > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > > (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Perhaps you could tell us of an experiment you performed on contact lenses that you made your cat wear and it seemed to not bother him too much, then, we could consider whether we wanted to make some for our cat too. :~) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 19:48:36 1997 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:29 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com thanks again Craig...Hubby is chomping at the bit to find out more about it!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 19:57:54 1997 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:18:42 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, As for the colored contacts I have made the search and cheap is not a word that goes with color contacts. My friend works for a eye doctor and they would order them for me at their cost....$100 each eye....not cheap. They sell them for $350 per set regular. I have gone to most of the sites that carry them and again they are not cheap> I plan to keep looking so first one that finds them please let others know!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 20:24:27 1997 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:39:48 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Knotts??? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Knotts plans were going pretty strong at the first of the year!! We are up for it!! It sounds like a great time!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 20:28:37 1997 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:42:28 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: Rick Hill Subject: Re: Cheap dungeon walls! Also, projectors, doors a Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Rick, We are up to it!! We really need to do some brainstorming about ideas for our haunt! And planning the northern road trip to southern California to Knotts!!! So get in touch and we will work on a date!! Hey Don!! If you are out there...are you up to coming to Sonoma for a gathering of the minds!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 20:44:01 1997 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:06:29 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Good Idea about the Cat wearing the colored contacts... I think my dog is looking for some too!! My dog would love to know how to do it!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 21:00:36 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:57:46 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: fake skeleton? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! Hi everyone! I've been lurking this list for a while and I am truly impressed with everyones creativity. It's nice to find people who understand what this whole Halloween gig is about. Most people I talk to in the 'mundane' world just smile politely and think I'm crazy. I hope some of you can help me. Years ago, twelve maybe, my haunting cohorts and I got hold of these hard rubber life sized skeletons through a catalog from 'The Anatomical Chart Company' They cost about $100. One had to assemble the skeleton, trimming off excess rubber as you went. The skeletons were not nearly medically accurate, but were great for our purposes. The rubber had a brown color to it. We used to make gobs of paper mache out of cellulose insulation (ground up newspaper with fire retardant chemical) water, and glue, and apply it to the rubber skeletons to make wonderful mummies. I called 'The Anatomical Chart Company' several times and even though they no longer carry the cheapie rubber skeleton, it was thier 'policy' and they were unwilling to give me the name of the manufacturer, for fear I was going to buy direct and outsell them on other products, I assume. I read all the skeletons file at the halloween-l archive. It is mainly info on sculpting foam into skeletal forms. Does any one have any info on this or similiar skeletons? I'm looking forward to hearing from each of you. These days I just can't wait to get home to my email box! Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 21:08:45 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:32:03 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: archival@li.com (kate carr/marc lougee) Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Embedded Text Below >Hi again 'weenies, it's me. > > I wanted to say thanks to everyone that responded to my letter to the >list. I got some great ideas, and terrific spots to surf on the net for >home haunts. I, of course, am always interetsted in more haunts to check >out, along with the info on the video tape of the the great home haunts >that I still have yet to locate though. > > I wanted to ask about the strobe light that is paired with the >lightning sound effects that someone posted yesterday that is now >available and will be at the show. I am really interested, and would >greatly appreciate our ambassadors to also look into anything available >for animating a skull or dummy prop head that would allow it to sync up >to sound. Random sounds sync't to an animated jaw would just about make >my halloween...... It that too much to ask? > > I ordered a catalog that is supposed to have a recordable sound device >that is supposed to be motion-detect activated to replay the sound that >would allow a vampire to make gurgling sounds when approached or the >like. I will let everyone know how that goes as I recieve the catalog >and this progresses. If anyone has any hot setup for a bitchen device >like this that has been proven, please let me know. > > I am looking for contact lenses that would make my eyes bright red or >black that doesn't cost many hundreds of dollars. This would really make >my Death Lord mask stand up and dance, but so far the contacts I've >found cost $250.00 to $400.00, and I don't know if I want to dance that >bad. Anyone know of these available for say $75.00? > > Does anyone know of a more detailed photo or plans of the Axworthy >Flying Ghost than is available on Bobs Halloween Page? I guess i'm a bit >dense, but I don't know how it's supposed to work in an "L" layout. > > I need to learn a bit more about the Haunt that has been mentioned in >the last day that is described as Knotts. I assumed that it was ' Berry >Farm, but they don't have a real haunt that runs year 'round. What's >this haunt anyway? > >Rest in Peace. > >Wil Wil-- I have seen some inexpensive contacts a couple of years ago used by a friend (make up effects guy) who had told me Burman Industries (Burbank? California) arried them-- This might not be the case anymore, but I knoe they were around $100.00 for an opaque white contact lens pair...actually, they wwere opaque enough not to see through, though the were not stark white...very convincing! I don't have the adress handy, tho it was on the sources posting a couple of weeks ago here on the list... Marc Archival@l.i.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 21:15:56 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:14:28 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Scott Axworthy wrote: > > I found the same results that Denny did. The strobes just didn't cut it > and did npt produce the "lightning look". I ended up using a By using the strobe light and placing it in a tree, facing up at the front of the house it works GREAT. Also, remember, the professional strobes allow you to chain 5 together to aquire a bigger effect. It will cover a lot of ground. If I get some time over the next few weeks I will video the effect as it looks on my house and place a AVI or MOV file for download on my webpage.....have to wait for decent weather though.....I hate to play outside with electricity whe are having as much rain as we had. Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 22:06:53 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:06:52 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, Cool. I would think that there should be some way to take disposable contacts and food-color them in some way, but I've never messed with it. I assumed that there would be some place that sold something like that for a reasonable price. They wouldn't have to be ground to the right focus as real contacts are, so they sould be a heck of a lot more generic, I would think. Please, if anyone on the list has any info on this, let us know. I have seen the difference between masks with and without colored contacts, and the impact is stunning. It's like the difference between a hokey 8-year-old costume and a real alien. Much like Michael Jackson's face in Thriller, where his real mouth and tongue are used in the mask and the effect is convincing. By the way; If anyone knows of a sound mechanism that can be triggered and then will reset itself for the next event that may be just a second away, I would be greatfull to hear about it. Rest in Peace Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 22:10:17 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:08:54 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Len Canders Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:32 AM 3/19/97 +0100, you wrote: >Wil-- >I have seen some inexpensive contacts a couple of years ago used by a >friend (make up effects guy) who had told me Burman Industries (Burbank? >California) arried them-- This might not be the case anymore, but I knoe >they were around $100.00 for an opaque white contact lens pair...actually, >they wwere opaque enough not to see through, though the were not stark >white...very convincing! > I don't have the adress handy, tho it was on the sources posting a couple >of weeks ago here on the list... > on my costuming resources page (see entry url in sig below) are some links to places that carry and/or make the type of contacts you're looking for, but as i recall they're all in the more expensive range. burman's web page link is there also, however, there's nothing to see on their page --- it just tells you how to contact them, etc. i don't recall seeing any sort of contact lenses in their catalog. hth a little. len canders lcanders@ccnet.com "in the fuzz" http://www.ccnet.com/~lcanders/welcome.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 22:16:38 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:13:45 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Wil-- > I have seen some inexpensive contacts a couple of years ago used by a > friend (make up effects guy) who had told me Burman Industries (Burbank? > California) arried them-- This might not be the case anymore, but I knoe > they were around $100.00 for an opaque white contact lens pair...actually, > they wwere opaque enough not to see through, though the were not stark > white...very convincing! > I don't have the adress handy, tho it was on the sources posting a couple > of weeks ago here on the list... > > Marc > Archival@l.i.com Thanks Mark, for that. I will follow up tommorrow! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 23:18:40 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:15:51 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-18 17:19:02 EST, you write: << At 09:27 PM 2/27/97 -0800, Kathy wrote: >Hi Ghouls, > My hubby tried last year to make the >strobe sync to the thunder tape and almost lost his mind!! Hey Kathy, I just wanted to mention that I used strobes sync'd to thunder for 4 or 5 years and was never happy with the light output even though my last strobe setup was two 75 watt units. For the last couple of years I've gone to using regular incandescent flood lights in sync with the thunder. The light is more yellow but the output is much more noticeable. Now, people never fail to comment on the "lightning". I think the main problem with strobes is caused from the duration of the flash being so short. Maybe with larger 750 and 1,500 watt strobes this wouldn't be a problem. ...and it's obvious a couple of $6.00 flood light bulbs are easier to have around than a couple of $75.00, 75 watt strobes. I did try halogen flood lights but found the warm-up time for the bulbs was too long for a decent flash. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares >> ----------------------------------------------- I agree completely. I have never understood the were with all to stick to using strobes for lightning. To my eye (just my personal opinion) the repeating flash of a strobe dose not look like the glow of a lightning strike! I am glad to see I am not the only one to use floods instead of strobes.... :-) Try using a color organ to sync the lighting with the sound effects. Cheap kits (sound to 120 vac lights ) with complet instructions can be bought from electronics shops or maybe Denny can sell them to you? jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Mar 18 23:31:31 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:35:10 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: fake skeleton? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dan, the skeletons you describe sounds like the kit from MBP. I know Denny carries them (http://www.btprod.com/) and I think John may also carry it (http:www.mrscary.com/). The kits now run close to $200.00 but it still is at least half the price of any "medical quality" set that I'm aware of. Hope this helps. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 00:19:09 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:14:03 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Brer Bear wrote: > Could you possibly tell me how this sync was accomplished? Is this > something an electronic dufus could do? And what was used for the sound? > Wil, I think Denny may have used a color organ kit (available at some electronic shops). Altough it sounds like Craig may have developed something that maybe easier to set up. If I have my info correct you can purhase this through Theatre Effects (http:www.theatrefx.com/). Since this is new it may not be on their web page yet. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 00:19:13 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:14:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com After reading this thread on strobes and lightining, I couldn't help tossing my nickel in... The next time a real T-storm passes your way, turn your back to an un-shuttered but curtained window, and wait for a lightning flash. You will observe the strobe-like initiation, coupled to what seems like an incandescent-bulb-style decay. As has been mentioned on this list within the past year, one of the best ways to simulate lightning might be to combine a 'fast-rise' incandescent source with one or more strobes triggered simultaneously. To me, a trobe looks like a strobe, like a flash camera. Unless I am sadly mistaken, the decay after a real lightning flash is slowed by the glow left behind by the lightning, involving excited air molecules. It's here suddenly, but goes away more reluctantly. Imagine... your scene's scary images spring suddenly to view, but remain in view long enough to register some details before fading away. Whether or not my analysis above is totally correct, the effect you will achieve with a slow fadeout can enhance the effect you are trying to achieve. Give it a try. :-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 00:59:14 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:57:02 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > I agree completely. I have never understood the were with all to stick to > using > strobes for lightning. To my eye (just my personal opinion) the repeating > flash of > a strobe dose not look like the glow of a lightning strike! I am glad to see > jerry- I will agree with you on some parts. A flickering strobe doesn't look light lightning. However......if you have the right type of sound effects along with the right type of device it can look quite real. The bright white light a strobe provides look light "electric"....and after all, isn't lightning electric? If the device I created is hooked up properly (accordning to directions) and used with the CD I created for it....it becomes quite frightening. My device triggers a series of single flashes and doesn't hold the strobe "on" during the sounds. I understand you are just stating your opinion.....but don't kill the strobe until you can see it work with my device. I promise that I will record a short video of the effect in use and post it on the web. At that point I would love to hear what you have to say....? Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 04:51:17 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:47:30 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:52 PM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > >> Hey Kathy, >> I just wanted to mention that I used strobes sync'd to thunder for 4 or 5 >> years and was never happy with the light output even though my last strobe >> setup was two 75 watt units. > > Well, the last strobe I used outdoors was a Ness GT-88. It actually >lit up the whole front of the house. Twice when on TV and a great many >times from people who have visited have commented on the lightning. I >feel a strobe light is the way to go. The light color is much more >realistic (has the look of "electric"). I only mention it because it's a workable, inexpensive alternative to strobes. I started with strobes years ago because like most people, I felt it was the only way to go, I figured I had to have a strobe. I stopped when I had $270.00 worth (prices have fallen since then) of strobes in a tree and still wasn't happy. I tried floods because I didn't feel there wasn't a decent payback (at dealer cost) for the money invested in strobes. The yellow cast of a flood light is only noticeable when compared side by side to a strobe, otherwise it looks like white light. Flash a strobe next to it and there is a huge difference in color temperature. I think my biggest hang-up with the theatrical strobes I tried (and I qualify that to only the strobes I used) was the fact that the single flash duration is so short it looks nothing like lightning... more of a bright "blink". Two 75 watt units sync'd together offered a brighter blink. Electric yes, but more like cutting through a live line cord with a pair of side cutters, not lightning. None of the 75 watt strobes I hooked up had adjustments for flash duration, only multiple flash speed. Setting the strobes for multiple flashes also didn't look like lightning, just strobe lights brightly going blink, blink, blink in unison. Floods did provide a much longer flash duration and a realistic trail off at the end. I have little doubt that the light intensity is lower with the floods but the increased duration more than makes up for it, if you blink you won't miss it. Whatever, to each his own! :) Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 05:04:55 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:01:34 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:15 AM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Try using a color organ to sync the lighting with the sound effects. >Cheap kits (sound to 120 vac lights ) with complet instructions can be bought >from electronics shops or maybe Denny can sell them to you? > >jerry- > Thanks for the plug Jerry, but the source is The Electronic Goldmine (800-445-0697), I think it's $5.98 for the 2 channel board and wiring diagram. Add a fuse holder, outlet, line cord and stuff it in a project box. The left channel is kind of weird so I only use the right channel. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 05:31:01 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:27:41 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > >Could you possibly tell me how this sync was accomplished? Is this >something an electronic dufus could do? And what was used for the sound? > See my reply to Jerry, I use a couple of different sound effects CD's for thunder. Denny PS. Welcome to the list! B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 05:37:52 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:27:38 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: fake skeleton? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:57 PM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! >I read all the skeletons file at the halloween-l archive. It is mainly info >on sculpting foam into skeletal forms. Does any one have any info on this or >similiar skeletons? > >I'm looking forward to hearing from each of you. These days I just can't wait >to get home to my email box! > >Happy Haunting!!! >"Scary" Dan Gildea, Hey Dan, Welcome to the list! They ain't so cheap anymore, list is around $220.00. Talk to John at Mr. Scary (1-812-824-8935) or myself about a current deal we're in cahoots on. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares 630-830-9561 7:30 am. to 5:30 pm. CST fax 630-830-9577 24 hours From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 05:38:44 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:35:28 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I wrote: > I tried floods because I didn't feel there wasn't a >decent payback (at dealer cost) for the money invested in strobes. Duh, too early. That should say- I didn't feel there was a decent... or- I felt there wasn't a decent... More coffee! Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 06:03:12 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:59:52 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com many wrote: > > ...By using the strobe light....it works GREAT.... > ...the effect you will achieve with a slow fadeout can enhance the > effect... > ...The yellow cast of a flood light is only noticeable when compared > side by side to a strobe, otherwise it looks like white light.... > ...Floods did provide a much longer flash duration and a realistic > trail off at the end. .... Im wondering if adding a slightly yellow filter to the strobe would balance the 'color' of the floodlight? The idea of the combination of strobe with floodlight sounds like a better simulation than either alone. Of course, we could build one of Tesla's huge coils, and use the real thing! Just My 2c.. Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 06:43:39 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:05:42 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning-banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Of course, we could build one of Tesla's huge coils, and use the real >thing! > >Just My 2c.. >Cliff Hook up Denny's Hog to a two story leather belt! (Now tell me that don't sound like fun:) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 06:45:04 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:42:37 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-19 03:58:26 EST, you write: << I will agree with you on some parts. A flickering strobe doesn't look light lightning. However......if you have the right type of sound effects along with the right type of device it can look quite real. The bright white light a strobe provides look light "electric"....and after all, isn't lightning electric? If the device I created is hooked up properly (accordning to directions) and used with the CD I created for it....it becomes quite frightening. My device triggers a series of single flashes and doesn't hold the strobe "on" during the sounds. I understand you are just stating your opinion.....but don't kill the strobe until you can see it work with my device. I promise that I will record a short video of the effect in use and post it on the web. At that point I would love to hear what you have to say....? Craig >> ----------------------------- How much is it? I am interested in trying it. jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 06:59:19 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:21:31 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: CONTACT LENSES (was Re: Thanks) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com After some of the posts about contact lenses I have carved out a few moments to jump in here. PLEASE! If you want contact lenses, no matter WHO claims to sell them, the lenses MUST be purchased through a doctor, the cosmetics MUST be done by a doctor. No hokes, check them out..ask for customer names to talk to! ANY and I mean ANY attempts to "customize" your own lenses can only lead to a bad deal. There several places to get them, but they all need the lenses from YOUR DOCTOR. Denny has a number on his web site for a company, another company is:COSTUMES FOR YOUR EYES, 1-800-284-2623, and there are a few others on the web (search CONTACT LENSES). Tad at A. Harlequin Costumes might have a few other places as well. If you want lenses, save the money and get professional work. Don't risk your eyesight. Nuff said. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 07:40:15 1997 To: Halloween-L From: William E Rompala Date: 19 Mar 97 10:24:41 EDT Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Gang, Been inactive in posting recently, but still reading. Expecting an addition to the family any day now (mop brow) ;-) Doctor says anytime in the next week or so. Question for you all in reference to the thunder / light sync. What kind of source do you use for the thunder effect- I mean, there are sound effect tapes, digital samples, etc but what have you found to be the best way of playing it and recording it from? Thanks! -W William Rompala http://www.rompalaconsulting.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 08:31:48 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:28:50 -0800 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: CONTACT LENSES (was Re: Thanks) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *> *>If you want lenses, save the money and get professional work. Don't risk *>your eyesight. *> Just as an aside, I remember a talk about makeup given at a SF Con years ago, by the guy who did the makeup for the movie "Enemy Mine". He said that they had a *lot* of problems with the lenses worn by Louis Gossett, Jr., and that they had tried several pairs, only to find that he would wear them for 10 or 15 minutes at a time, after which his vision would start to black out. Apparently, they had to stop shooting several times when Gossett would go blind and need to rest for several hours (with the lenses out) until his vision came back. The studio was ready to pull the plug on the picture, as they (and their lawyers) did not want to be responsible for permanently blinding an actor. The end result was they went to a contact lens specialist in Scandinavia who specializes in this (they were filming in Europe anyways), who found that Gossett had a blood vessel on one side of the eye that was right on the surface of the eyeball, and that the lens was cutting off circulation to the eye. Apparently the original manufacturer/ fitters of the lenses hadn't checked for this. Too Long story short: The makeup guy's words were "Don't play around with full-eye contacts if you can avoid it, or at least make absolutely sure that they fit perfectly on the actor." He indicated that he (the makeup artist) wouldn't ever work with them again. I doubt Louis Gossett will, either...;) This anecdote from film history is brought to you with funding provided by the Corporation for Public Boredom. -bill. -- "Its a world of nightmares, a world of fears. Its a world of hor-ror, a world of tears. There's so much that can scare, that its time to beware, its a dark world after all...." ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 09:05:41 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:49:48 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes-banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:05 AM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hook up Denny's Hog to a two story leather belt! (Now tell me that don't >sound like fun:) Geez John, so I've put on a few pounds, my belt size still isn't quite two stories long! Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 09:20:24 1997 From: dallan@dow.com To: Subject: RE: fake skeleton? Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:04:22 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I searched the Thomas Register Online (http://www.thomasregister.com:8000/) under the heading "skeleton" and found the following nine companies: DNA Distribution, Inc. -- Drums, PA Anatomed Inc. -- Ramsey, NJ GPI Anatomicals -- Libertyville, IL Gaumard Scientific Co., Inc. -- Miami, FL Lensgraf, H. T., Co., Inc. -- Winfield, IA Antiquarian Fossils, Inc. -- Monmouth, OR Bobbitt Laboratories, Inc. -- Burlington, NC Beistle Co. -- Shippensburg, PA Ward's Natural Science Establishment, Inc. -- Rochester, NY Contact information can be found by searching online, or I can look it up again if you wish. You could also search topics like "medical" or "anatomical", though I suspect you would get too many hits. Best regards, David >---------- >From: ScaryHouse@aol.com[SMTP:ScaryHouse@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 11:57 PM >To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Subject: fake skeleton? > >Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! > >Hi everyone! > >I've been lurking this list for a while and I am truly impressed with >everyones creativity. It's nice to find people who understand what this whole >Halloween gig is about. Most people I talk to in the 'mundane' world just >smile politely and think I'm crazy. > >I hope some of you can help me. Years ago, twelve maybe, my haunting cohorts >and I got hold of these hard rubber life sized skeletons through a catalog >from 'The Anatomical Chart Company' >They cost about $100. One had to assemble the skeleton, trimming off excess >rubber as you went. The skeletons were not nearly medically accurate, but >were great for our purposes. The rubber had a brown color to it. We used to >make gobs of paper mache out of cellulose insulation (ground up newspaper >with fire retardant chemical) water, and glue, and apply it to the rubber >skeletons to make wonderful mummies. > >I called 'The Anatomical Chart Company' several times and even though they no >longer carry the cheapie rubber skeleton, it was thier 'policy' and they were >unwilling to give me the name of the manufacturer, for fear I was going to >buy direct and outsell them on other products, I assume. > >I read all the skeletons file at the halloween-l archive. It is mainly info >on sculpting foam into skeletal forms. Does any one have any info on this or >similiar skeletons? > >I'm looking forward to hearing from each of you. These days I just can't wait >to get home to my email box! > >Happy Haunting!!! >"Scary" Dan Gildea, >ScaryHouse Studio, >Box 15377, >Rockford IL 61132, >scaryhouse@aol.com > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 09:43:19 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:40:44 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > ----------------------------- > > How much is it? I am interested in trying it. > > jerry- Oh don't buy it now.....why not wait. I will be happy to place a short video on the web to show how it looks and works. If you have a play to look at AVI files, then you can make up your mind before you spend any money. As for the price.....you will have to call Nathan at Theatre FX. I will post a notice once I have the video ready. Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 09:56:30 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:45:55 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com William E Rompala wrote: > Question for you all in reference to the thunder / light sync. What kind of > source do you use for the thunder effect- I mean, there are sound effect tapes, With my device (and it's sold seperately) we have a CD made just for this application. It has a 1kz tone as a reference to set your device to (the 1kz tone is set at the lightning peaks). And then it has various tracks with just thunder, music and thunder, etc... It is pure digital....sound is great. It is also recorded in mono...since 99% of all applications don't require stereo. That way you can take the left channel out of your CD player and run into the trigger device and the right channel into your amplifier. Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 10:12:37 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:57:56 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > it was the only way to go, I figured I had to have a strobe. I Floods did provide a much longer flash duration and a realistic trail off > at the end. I have little doubt that the light intensity is lower with the > floods but the increased duration more than makes up for it, if you blink > you won't miss it. > Just to throw another wrench into the barrel.... I looked at some professionally shot thunderstorms on video tape...frame by frame. (For those who don't know, there are 30 frames to a second) And in 1 frame the bolt of lightning is there, it "dances" anywhere from 10-15 frames, and then dissappears. All less than a second. Sure, there are longer ones, but this was averaged over 20 strikes during a bad storm in Virginia last lear. Also....during this time, the sky started black and ended black...there was not "trail-off" I compared video levels on a scope magnified 5x. So, I guess what it comes down to is perhaps lightning "acts" diff. in diff. parts of the country.....it's the way each perceives it.....or modern technology can't detect stuff the human eye does. Either way..... In my opinion, a strobe is the only way to go....I do agree with another member who wrote about using a gel in the light to slightly offset the bright white......it might look even better. Lastly.....if you're worried about slow trail-off.....if I'm not mistaken, there is a company called (I could be wrong) Diversitronics who has/had a strobe that allowed you to control the strobe beyond the basics. But very expensive. Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 11:02:04 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:55:54 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: fake skeleton? -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Talk to John at Mr. Scary (1-812-824-8935) or myself about a current deal we're in cahoots on. Denny <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< In cahoots?!? There go the prices!! HELP!!! Price fixing!! *<;o) Of course, you do mean *down* don't you?? :D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 11:06:34 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:02:48 -0800 From: Bill Douglas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Knotts??? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > "Usually, the Knotts haunt will run from october 10th until november > 3rd, operating, fridays, saturdays, sundays. Tickets are available from > ticketron, and they sell out FAST... > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] The Haunt is also open on weeknights the week before and the week of halloween. I went twice last year once on a weeknight and once on a weekend. The crowds were HUGE on Sat. night, wait time for some of the mazes up to half an hour for the mine train I recall about a 45 min. wait. On the weeknight the only thing we waited for was the log ride and mine train ride. Both of the rides also had haunts. Bill ps The nights "sold out" stuff is a bit of promotional hype, my fiancee "monstered" there last year and commented how much smaller the crowds were on weeknights even though those nights are also reported as sold out. -- ----------------------------------------- Don't bother sending me your theory on the creation of the Cosmos, I'm only the electronics engineer. ----------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 11:25:17 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:23:15 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, there is always that Lighting Strikes! option.. Something 50,000 watts of power, with a flash time of 1.9 seconds for the fadeing effect. I saw one at Last Years Universal Studios Halloween Horrer Night.. Let's just say that 1. You don't want to look right at it. 2. Lit up the building VERY well {3 Floors high, buy 90 feet long} Plus it looked VERY Much like real lighting.. In fact, my mom was outside the park and thought it was going to rain as she pulled up to get us, cause of the effect. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 11:28:44 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:27:44 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Of course, we could build one of Tesla's huge coils, and use the real >thing! > >Just My 2c.. >Cliff >cliff.martin@saralee.net In fact this was done!. Disney built a BIG telsa coil, {Stood 8 feet high} and let off a spark of something like 9 feet in length.. It was going to be used in a ride, but never showed up there.. So they must have had some problem. Another option is to create a tall item out of plastic, use small sheet of plastic no more that one half foot square. Use them at differnt angles, and build up. So that you have a {For lack of better word} Tower of plastic. Now, run flash blubs all the way down it. Pack lots of them in. Fire them in order from top to bottem, then from bottem up! {Real quick, remember that lighting hits the ground, then goes back up, but so fast you can't tell} The flash will look cool, and it will reflect off the plastic, make sure this isnt in a str* line, it needs to be bent and such. If you like, I can get a picture of this from a effects book!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 11:59:58 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Wood To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Thunder Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If I take a sound effects CD with a good thunder track and record the sound onto my computer as a wave file I have alot of control over the effect. In order to give the effect of rolling thunder I altered the left and right channels which made the thunder seem to move from the left speaker to the right speaker. If I only want part of a thunder track, I can clip out the part I want and have the computer run the thunder through a loop which gives me a contiunous thunder track. Nathan Comming Live From Oregon woodn@lbcc.cc.or.us sargon9271@aol.com ************************************************************************ How can you intergrate pi when the instructor will not tell you if it is apple or cherry? "The earth sucks at a constant rate." John Griffith Physics Instructor ************************************************************************ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 12:47:14 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:43:12 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brer Bear wrote: > > > Wil-- > > I have seen some inexpensive contacts a couple of years ago used by a > > friend (make up effects guy) who had told me Burman Industries (Burbank? > > California) arried them-- This might not be the case anymore, but I knoe > > they were around $100.00 for an opaque white contact lens pair...actually, > > they wwere opaque enough not to see through, though the were not stark > > white...very convincing! > > I don't have the adress handy, tho it was on the sources posting a couple > > of weeks ago here on the list... > > > > Marc > > Archival@l.i.com > > Thanks Mark, for that. I will follow up tommorrow! I called Burman Industries at 818-782-9833, and they said they don't carry contact lenses at all, just latex etc. Thanks anyway tho. Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 12:54:14 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:44:38 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Craig wrote: > > Gee, maybe we should have a party for all of those who want to go the > the Halloween Show and can't?? I'm hosting.... To those > going....have fun! > How bout something on-line? Cyber party??? Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 12:56:04 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:52:57 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Brer Bear wrote: > > > Could you possibly tell me how this sync was accomplished? Is this > > something an electronic dufus could do? And what was used for the sound? > > > Wil, I think Denny may have used a color organ kit (available at some > electronic shops). Altough it sounds like Craig may have developed > something that maybe easier to set up. If I have my info correct you > can purhase this through Theatre Effects (http:www.theatrefx.com/). > Since this is new it may not be on their web page yet. > JD > jdolan@titan.iwu.edu Thank you John. I will certainly be able to sync up now, but am still in a quandry as to how to reset the sound effects for each event. ??? Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 13:06:35 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:08 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Craig wrote: > > Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I agree completely. I have never understood the were with all to stick to > > using > > strobes for lightning. To my eye (just my personal opinion) the repeating > > flash of > > a strobe dose not look like the glow of a lightning strike! I am glad to see > > jerry- > > I will agree with you on some parts. > > A flickering strobe doesn't look light lightning. > > However......if you have the right type of sound effects along with > the right type of device it can look quite real. > > The bright white light a strobe provides look light "electric"....and > after all, isn't lightning electric? > > If the device I created is hooked up properly (accordning to > directions) and used with the CD I created for it....it becomes quite > frightening. > > My device triggers a series of single flashes and doesn't hold the > strobe "on" during the sounds. > > I understand you are just stating your opinion.....but don't kill the > strobe until you can see it work with my device. > > I promise that I will record a short video of the effect in use and > post it on the web. At that point I would love to hear what you have to > say....? > > Craig Craig, I am interested in this CD/strobe set. Could you give me info on the aquisition? Thanks, Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 13:06:49 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:55:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Word about color tempature and Floods/Strobes Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I used strobes and a combonation of dasy chained strobes and small spot lights to produce the [lightning ] effect that looked perfect!! But I used a color correction gell on the spots and floods. Theses gels can be purchased by an all popular company called Rosco. Their known for their color correction stuff. 1-800-Rosco-NY great tech support to. Just ask for a color correction sample. As for the spots, I used them to illuminate areas that I wanted to focus the flashing on. The strobes were used to add an additional flashing effect. I used a total of.. NOTE: This was used to do all 3 visible sides of the house.. 3: 200 Watt floods with color correction 5: ~500 Watt leko spot lights with color correction 3: 75 Wat strobes (did not add much effect, but was nice..) Dasy Chained Thats all folkes.. Hope this helps.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 13:10:58 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:02:33 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > At 02:15 AM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Try using a color organ to sync the lighting with the sound effects. > >Cheap kits (sound to 120 vac lights ) with complet instructions can be bought > >from electronics shops or maybe Denny can sell them to you? > > > >jerry- > > > > Thanks for the plug Jerry, but the source is The Electronic Goldmine > (800-445-0697), I think it's $5.98 for the 2 channel board and wiring > diagram. Add a fuse holder, outlet, line cord and stuff it in a project > box. The left channel is kind of weird so I only use the right channel. > Denny > > B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > I gave them a call, and the catalog is on the way. Thanks again for the color organ turn on. Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 13:13:32 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:58:54 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: Thunder Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Nathan: >If I take a sound effects CD with a good thunder track and record the >sound onto my computer as a wave file I have alot of control over the >effect. In order to give the effect of rolling thunder I altered the >left and right channels which made the thunder seem to move from the left >speaker to the right speaker. If I only want part of a thunder track, I >can clip out the part I want and have the computer run the thunder >through a loop which gives me a contiunous thunder track. > >Nathan I did the same with the old 386 I had! But I made the sound file about 12 megs long so the looping wassent obviouous. Attached some really BASSEY speakers and whalla! Instante rolling thunder! It rocked.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 13:48:02 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:34:51 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com How bout something on-line? Cyber party??? Debbie <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Now *there* is an idea!! IRC (INTERNET Relay Chat) is available and easily set up. What's everybody's thoughts on this? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 14:08:49 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:06:51 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I suppose the most significant question I could ask after all this is what are you all using for the playback for the lightning? I would like to create a self-contained unit for this effect if possible, and realize that this would be near impossible to do with a CD player or the like. Anyone? Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 14:47:18 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:42:59 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:57 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > Just to throw another wrench into the barrel.... > > I looked at some professionally shot thunderstorms on video >tape...frame by frame. (For those who don't know, there are 30 frames >to a second) And in 1 frame the bolt of lightning is there, it "dances" >anywhere from 10-15 frames, and then dissappears. All less than a >second. Sure, there are longer ones, but this was averaged over 20 >strikes during a bad storm in Virginia last lear. A flash from a 75 watt incandescent flood light can run 1/2 second to 1 1/2 seconds... thereabouts. What would be the average flash duration of the typical 75 watt theatrical strobe? One tenth to one twentieth of that? > So, I guess what it comes down to is perhaps lightning "acts" diff. in >diff. parts of the country......it's the way each perceives it.....or >modern technology can't detect stuff the human eye does. Whoa, I think I've been diss'd, I'll reply off list but I'll have to look up "modern technology" in the dictionary first... if Jethro didn't eat it. >Either way..... >In my opinion, a strobe is the only way to go... That's all any of this is, opinions. I was trying to offer folks the viewpoint of my own experiences, perceptions and mistakes using strobes and floods. But... my wife has just reminded me that we sell strobes in our catalog not flood lights. I can now see the error of my ways and agree that only theatrical, 75 watt, strobe lights, (our catalog number ST 75, Visa and Mastercard accepted) should be used for lightning. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 15:06:37 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:54:18 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Banter/Word about color tempature Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:55 PM 3/19/97 -0500, ya'll wrote: >NOTE: This was used to do all 3 visible sides of the house.. > >3: 200 Watt floods with color correction >5: ~500 Watt leko spot lights with color correction >3: 75 Wat strobes (did not add much effect, but was nice..) Dasy Chained > >Thats all folkes.. Hope this helps.. Holey schmoley, you stopped just short of installing powdered aluminum, lightning towers like they use in movies. Nice work! Did any 747's try landing in your yard? Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 15:07:10 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:01:50 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ROGER ALEXANDER wrote: > > How bout something on-line? Cyber party??? > > Debbie > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > Now *there* is an idea!! IRC (INTERNET Relay Chat) is available and easily set up. What's > everybody's thoughts on this? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 > Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 > Bldg 64 Code 111RA > Crane, IN 47522 > > INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil > > Supporting the Fleet through Supply! Great idea. In fact I was going to suggest that we have one standard night each week that everyone could go to meet. May I suggest DALnet:igc.dal.net(USA) on #Halloween each Saturday from 3pm to 10pm PST? Let me know. Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 15:58:39 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:46:10 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok there seems to be many various ways to produce a lightning effect so I'm going to throw another idea out here.Has anyone ever played with a photographer's flash equipment rather than a strobe? I'm not a photographer so I have no idea whether this might be a costly opt- ion but if I'm not mistaken, this would produce a much brighter flash than your average strobe. Any photographers out there that can shed some light (no pun intended) on this suggestion? JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 16:29:33 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:23:52 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: Banter/Word about color tempature Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Holey schmoley, you stopped just short of installing powdered aluminum, >lightning towers like they use in movies. >Nice work! Did any 747's try landing in your yard? >Denny I know!! :) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 16:37:30 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:36:06 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Sound playback (was ... lightning) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:24 AM 3/19/97 EDT, William Rompala wrote: >Question for you all in reference to the thunder / light sync. What kind of >source do you use for the thunder effect- I mean, there are sound effect tapes, >digital samples, etc but what have you found to be the best way of playing it >and recording it from? We were tired of bad sound quality with endless loop cassettes or repeating cassette decks, so last year we took the plunge and invested in software and a CD recorder for one of our PC's. Now we're using Soundforge to digitize and mix our effects and burning a CD for each area of the house; after the initial cost it just takes time and $7 for each CDR disk. We're using mid-level boom boxes to play the CDs, putting the players in one central room and running speaker wire everywhere. Several soundtracks are run in mono - two to the CD. Out of 28 CDs we only lost one last season, and that was human error (it got dropped and ground into the floor). It may be a little pricey - around a grand for Soundforge and a CD recorder nowadays, and at least half-a-gig of free disk space - but if you know somebody who's got a CD recorder for data backup you're most of the way there. There are shareware programs that do a lot of what Soundforge does, too. We were spending enough on repeating cassettes and normal cassettes that would wear out in a week that the change is paying for itself across two seasons. Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 16:56:35 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:48:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Wood To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Photo flash equipment is very expensive, and takes time to charge for each use. I have noticed that the more expensive the unit the shorter the charge time, but I think that the cost is the biggest drawback. I was looking for a simple studio flash setup one time, and the cheepest I could find was around $500. On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, John Dolan wrote: > Ok there seems to be many various ways to produce a lightning effect > so I'm going to throw another idea out here.Has anyone ever played > with a photographer's flash equipment rather than a strobe? I'm not > a photographer so I have no idea whether this might be a costly opt- > ion but if I'm not mistaken, this would produce a much brighter flash > than your average strobe. Any photographers out there that can shed > some light (no pun intended) on this suggestion? > JD > jdolan@titan.iwu.edu > Nathan Comming Live From Oregon woodn@lbcc.cc.or.us sargon9271@aol.com ************************************************************************ How can you intergrate pi when the instructor will not tell you if it is apple or cherry? "The earth sucks at a constant rate." John Griffith Physics Instructor ************************************************************************ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 17:03:31 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:04:42 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > > Ok there seems to be many various ways to produce a lightning effect > so I'm going to throw another idea out here.Has anyone ever played > with a photographer's flash equipment rather than a strobe? I'm not > a photographer so I have no idea whether this might be a costly opt- > ion but if I'm not mistaken, this would produce a much brighter flash > than your average strobe. Any photographers out there that can shed > some light (no pun intended) on this suggestion? > JD > jdolan@titan.iwu.edu I may add a bit to this. Photographer's strobes are a one-shot operation, so therefore you would need a daisey-chain type of set up with at least I would think three or four or even more strobes at between $50 and $100 each for the bright professional flash. But wow, it would be blinding as hell. ;~) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 17:04:52 1997 To: "Halloween Newsgroup" From: "Bruce & Tammy Miller" Subject: Re: Hello Again! Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 20:05:16 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sounds like a winner to me! Mebbe thost that are going will feel sorry for those of us left behind & report in regularly! ---------- > Craig wrote: > > > > Gee, maybe we should have a party for all of those who want to go the > > the Halloween Show and can't?? I'm hosting.... To those > > going....have fun! > > > > How bout something on-line? Cyber party??? > > Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 17:08:25 1997 To: "Halloween Newsgroup" From: "Bruce & Tammy Miller" Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 20:09:31 PST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Methinks that as active as the group is getting,it's an idea whose time has come, but how to capture some of the great stuff in archive? Bruce ---------- > > How bout something on-line? Cyber party??? > > Debbie > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > Now *there* is an idea!! IRC (INTERNET Relay Chat) is available and easily > set up. What's > everybody's thoughts on this? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------- > Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 > Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 > Bldg 64 Code 111RA > Crane, IN 47522 > > INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil > > Supporting the Fleet through Supply! > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 17:11:17 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:52:27 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com allconen@btigate.com wrote: > > How bout something on-line? Cyber party??? > > Debbie I wish the Transworld show was going to be covered online (ie. steaming video/audio/pics) I have asked a producer/friend at a local TV station to watch for anything that might come down on the misc. news feeds on the show. If it does, he will tape it for me. I bet WGN in Chicago will cover it at some time. Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 17:32:33 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:22:24 -0500 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel responded to my questions on the air operated scare device he assembled last year, and offered info on creating this event. In the response was reference to an "ECT" (Event Control Timer)that he made himself to control how long power went to the selenoid switch (1 second) to cause the skeleton to pop up and then retract. I need to attain an ECT for this and the "Trash Can Trauma" (from Bertino's archive site)to fully automate this. Could Jim or anyone else that has info on such a device let me know how to aquire one? Buying is better than making for the electronically challeged such as myself. Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. By the way, Carl Chetta's directions for the Trash Can Trauma as mentioned is to be applauded for it's great photo illustrations. If you haven't been there, treat yourself. They're at http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/halloween.html#Hallimg Or the excellent Flying Crank Ghost, which is also extemely well detailed at http://members.aol.com/phanmech/files.html Rest in Peace Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 18:09:40 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:06:29 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: John Wohlers Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:01 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Great idea. In fact I was going to suggest that we have one standard >night each week that everyone could go to meet. May I suggest >DALnet:igc.dal.net(USA) on #Halloween each Saturday from 3pm to 10pm ^---shouldn't that be irc.dal.net??? Sounds like a good idea to me >PST? > >Let me know. >Wil > ************************************************************* * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * * John Wohlers O- * * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * ************************************************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 18:30:37 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:30:54 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Lawrence H. Lund" Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:22 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to >connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the >hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been >sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. 120VAC is 120 Volts Alternating Current, it is what you get when you plug a toaster in. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us llund179@aol.com Phone: (516)-231-8790 Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 18:56:46 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:53:38 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello/Strobes & Lightning Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-19 17:47:01 EST, you write: << A flash from a 75 watt incandescent flood light can run 1/2 second to 1 1/2 seconds... thereabouts. What would be the average flash duration of the typical 75 watt theatrical strobe? One tenth to one twentieth of that? > So, I guess what it comes down to is perhaps lightning "acts" diff. in >diff. parts of the country......it's the way each perceives it.....or >modern technology can't detect stuff the human eye does. Whoa, I think I've been diss'd, I'll reply off list but I'll have to look up "modern technology" in the dictionary first... if Jethro didn't eat it. >Either way..... >In my opinion, a strobe is the only way to go... That's all any of this is, opinions. I was trying to offer folks the viewpoint of my own experiences, perceptions and mistakes using strobes and floods. But... my wife has just reminded me that we sell strobes in our catalog not flood lights. I can now see the error of my ways and agree that only theatrical, 75 watt, strobe lights, (our catalog number ST 75, Visa and Mastercard accepted) should be used for lightning. Denny >> --------------------------------- ha, ha ,ha tee, he ha, ha,ha, ha ,ha tee, he ha, ha,ha, ha ,ha tee, he ha, ha,ha, ha ,ha tee, te ha, ha...... {:~D jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 19:10:50 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:08:08 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-03-19 20:24:38 EST, you write: << Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. >> -------------------- 120 vac is just plain old electricity from your 2 or 3 prong plug, just house current. VAC stands for volts alternating current... As for the solenoid you all may be interested in a 3 way solenoid from Clayton Controls for just $15. I use them for EVERYTHING and they have a bleeder to release the pressure (thus the third connection) or you can plug this for a two way. These were designed for hobby and miniature air systems but can handle over 100 psi. come in both dc and AC. I love em... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 19:23:23 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:23:07 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Wohlers wrote: > > At 03:01 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Great idea. In fact I was going to suggest that we have one standard > >night each week that everyone could go to meet. May I suggest > >DALnet:igc.dal.net(USA) on #Halloween each Saturday from 3pm to 10pm > ^---shouldn't that be irc.dal.net??? > Sounds like a good idea to me > >PST? > > > > >Let me know. > >Wil > > > ************************************************************* > * We are star stuff. - Delenn (B5) * > * John Wohlers O- * > * johnwohlers@prairienet.com * > * http://www.prairienet.com/jwohlers * > ********************************************************** Actually, DALnet:igc.dal.net(USA) is easier to log onto, with less bumping off than the irc.dal.net(DALnet USA) location is. At least for me. I suggest MIRC chat client for all who are not currently set up. This comes pre-loaded with many different locations to gather at, so you no longer have to be a rocket scientist to logg on for the first time. You can go directly to the download page for this by hitting the url; http://www.emapnet.com/service/mirc/download.html This is considered _the_ chat client. If anyone knows of a better one, let me know. I also may interject something here. I am set up with Cu-Seeme with the Connextix color cam. If enough of us were interested, perhpas this chat weekly could move into the major leagues to see and hear chat! ;~D (Could be cool for dress-up time with costumes, don't you think?)The cost of doing such is about $125.00 for a color camera and about $70.00 for Cu-Seeme software. I realize not everyone would necessarily be eager to lay othis out, but some might. Rest in Peace Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 19:33:06 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:32:41 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Lawrence H. Lund wrote: > At 05:22 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to > >connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the > >hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been > >sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. > > 120VAC is 120 Volts Alternating Current, it is what you get when you plug a > toaster in. > > Larry If may add to this for safety sake. Do not use "zip cord" or even "Romex" for your VAC source. Since a solenoid is not really meant to be semi- exposed, as it is in this application, you want to make sure that you have a grounded electrical source (zip cord isn't) that can also withstand some abuse (Romex can't). Use a 14/2 outdoor cord (2 insulated wires/1 bare ground) and connect a 3 prong ground plug to one end. Or better yet, if you have an extra outdoor type extension cord simply cut off the outlet end and wire this to your solenoid. JD jdolan@titan.iwu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 19:33:36 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:26:29 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lawrence H. Lund wrote: > > At 05:22 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to > >connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the > >hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been > >sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. > > 120VAC is 120 Volts Alternating Current, it is what you get when you plug a > toaster in. > > Larry > _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund > \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street > __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 > ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > E-mail: llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us > llund179@aol.com > Phone: (516)-231-8790 > Fax: (516)-434-9315 Cool. Even I know what a 110 outlet is. This should be easier than I thought! :~D Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 20:11:17 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:33:04 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: archival@li.com (kate carr/marc lougee) Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Kathy, > >Cool. >you wrote: > Please, if anyone on the list has any info on this, let us know. I have >seen the difference between masks with and without colored contacts, and >the impact is stunning. It's like the difference between a hokey >8-year-old costume and a real alien. Much like Michael Jackson's face in >Thriller, where his real mouth and tongue are used in the mask and the >effect is convincing. > Wil- Here a couple of sources that may help out in the quest for the contact lenses-- These folks are well known in the Make-up effects feild for the work they've done... Dr. Morton Greenspoon 14607 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 818/ 789-3311 OBRIG 209 E. 56th St. New York, NY 10022 212/ 758-0973 The folks above have been great to me in the past on various make-up effects projects, and have really impressive stuff- tho it may be too much, they were very helpful, and would probably be able to help out to some degree, as was my experience a couple years ago. The folks below have been around awhile, though I've not used them as yet myself: Costumes for your eyes 6175 Cahill Ave E#101 Inver Grove Hgts., MN 55076 800/ 284-2623 Good Luck! Marc archival@l.i.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 20:18:36 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:18:36 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-19 20:24:38 EST, you write: > > << Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to > connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the > hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been > sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. >> > -------------------- > > 120 vac is just plain old electricity from your 2 or 3 prong plug, just house > current. > VAC stands for volts alternating current... > > As for the solenoid you all may be interested in a 3 way solenoid from > Clayton Controls for just $15. I use them for EVERYTHING and they have a > bleeder > to release the pressure (thus the third connection) or you can plug this for > a two way. These were designed for hobby and miniature air systems but can > handle over 100 psi. come in both dc and AC. > > I love em... > > Yours ghouly Jerry - Jerry, Do these work more bedda than say a washing machine selenoid? I can get those locally for $5 a pop. It's no big deal if I spend more to get better. Thanks, Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 20:21:38 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:04:15 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Knotts??? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bill, I was thinking about getting hold of Knotts and seeing if, as a halloween group, they would let us get dressed up and help haunt. Do you think your fiancee would give you the info on who I could talk to?? I think it would be fun to watch them make up their monsters and see some backlot things....Thanks for the help! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 21:33:47 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:33:58 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Lawrence H. Lund wrote: > > > At 05:22 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Also, the "Trash Can Trauma" listed the need for 120VAC line cord to > > >connect the washing machine valve -- could anyone let me know what the > > >hell a 120VAC is? I know I should know about this already, but I've been > > >sleeping in my coffin for three hundred years and only just awoke. > > > > 120VAC is 120 Volts Alternating Current, it is what you get when you plug a > > toaster in. > > > > Larry > > If may add to this for safety sake. Do not use "zip cord" or even "Romex" > for your VAC source. Since a solenoid is not really meant to be semi- > exposed, as it is in this application, you want to make sure that you have > a grounded electrical source (zip cord isn't) that can also withstand some > abuse (Romex can't). Use a 14/2 outdoor cord (2 insulated wires/1 bare > ground) and connect a 3 prong ground plug to one end. Or better yet, if > you have an extra outdoor type extension cord simply cut off the outlet > end and wire this to your solenoid. > JD > jdolan@titan.iwu That's a good idea. That would make the event even more self-contained. Thanks for the advice. Wil From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Mar 19 21:45:48 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:44:17 -0800 From: Brer Bear To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Thanks Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com kate carr/marc lougee wrote: > > >Kathy, > > > >Cool. > > >you wrote: > > Please, if anyone on the list has any info on this, let us know. I have > >seen the difference between masks with and without colored contacts, and > >the impact is stunning. It's like the difference between a hokey > >8-year-old costume and a real alien. Much like Michael Jackson's face in > >Thriller, where his real mouth and tongue are used in the mask and the > >effect is convincing. > > > > Wil- > > Here a couple of sources that may help out in the quest for the contact lenses-- > These folks are well known in the Make-up effects feild for the work > they've done... > > Dr. Morton Greenspoon > 14607 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > 818/ 789-3311 > > OBRIG > 209 E. 56th St. > New York, NY 10022 > 212/ 758-0973 > > The folks above have been great to me in the past on various make-up > effects projects, and have really impressive stuff- tho it may be too much, > they were very helpful, and would probably be able to help out to some > degree, as was my experience a couple years ago. > The folks below have been around awhile, though I've not used them as yet > myself: > > Costumes for your eyes > 6175 Cahill Ave E#101 > Inver Grove Hgts., MN 55076 > 800/ 284-2623 > > Good Luck! > > Marc > archival@l.i.com Thanks Marc. I called them and will be looking further into it! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 01:14:15 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:10:25 -0800 (PST) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: DO NOT SEND THIS TO THE LIST Re: attachment and magazine -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 ZTBJAZZ@aol.com wrote: > I also would like a sample copy of the magazine oliver too. Thanks! > > *NAME* > *ADDRESS* > *CITY* Please, please do not send any requests to the list. Send them to the original author. And those offering things, please, please request people to email you directly. Thank you. don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 06:53:48 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:55:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Knotts??? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For making up for Knotts, I have a press release set soewhere round here. give me a month to dig it up and put it online. (best friend is moving in along with his 2 year old son, so the house is a rather huge mess right now....) I also have an employee manual for the ghouls which should prove interesting.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 07:00:35 1997 From: David Zinkus Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:58:56 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lawrence H. Lund claims ... *> *> 120VAC is 120 Volts Alternating Current, it is what you get when you plug a *> toaster in. *> I don't want to start a banter about this, or by any means gain the perception of flaming someone, but.......120 volts is not necessarily what you get out of a wall. It can varry from about 105-125 or so. Depends how close your house is to the pole transformer. In theory, the electric Co. likes to ride the lower end. That way it requires more current to meet the power requirement demands of devices you plug in. The elec Cos. charge for current. $$$$ in their pocket. dmz From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 07:04:42 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:59:41 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Great idea. In fact I was going to suggest that we have one standard night each week that everyone could go to meet. May I suggest DALnet:igc.dal.net(USA) on #Halloween each Saturday from 3pm to 10pm PST? Let me know. Wil <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< *sigh* If it's on the weekend, I can't play! Have INTERNET access only at work. Could do it during lunch time 1100-1200 M-F EST. Still haven't convinced Susan on the monthly cost of access from home yet. Maybe some day... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 07:19:31 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:32:25 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Knotts??? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry, that sounds great!! We were suppposed to go to Las Vegas this month but with the broken ankle I can't get around fast enough yet. So we are putting all our plans to OCT!!! I can't wait!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 07:28:57 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:38:17 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, You can count me in on days I am home!! I may not stay on for long, or talk much, but I will be there!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 07:42:53 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:37:24 -0600 From: David Kiihne To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Message for Jim Kadel -Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> David Zinkus 03/20/97 08:58am >>> > I don't want to start a banter about this, or by any means gain > the perception of flaming someone, but.......120 volts is not > necessarily what you get out of a wall. It can varry from about > 105-125 or so. Depends how close your house is to the pole > transformer. ... I can back you up on the inconsistent voltage statement. My parents' house was struck by lightning a few years back and ever since then the incoming voltage has been extremely irregular. (Gee, the house in which I was raised is "irregular."... Hmmm, who'da thunk it?) Anyway the electricians came out and inspected the wiring inside and leading to the house and pronounced it "Okey Dokey." Despite the fact that while they were standing in the house, the lights were all pulsing in unison. Why am I sharing this with the list?? Well, now the house lights pulsate in the evening giving the house (as viewed from the outside) a very "Damien meets Freddie Krueger" kind of look. Sometimes a newcomer to the area sees this and asks a neighbor "What's up with that house?" To which the neighbors usually respond, "Oh that?? That's just the Preacher's house!" I wouldn't be surprised if some of them thought he was performing exorcisms in there. BTW, yes, my father really is a minister. And yes, that means that the minister's house was struck by lightning. I guess sometimes God has a taste for irony. :) Dave - daveki@nebfef.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Mar 20 08:00:18 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:03:45 -0800 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com