Yeah, who was that guy... -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 04:59:26 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 07:52:38 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Linda Bills Subject: Re: Manequin!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What store - where? Dying to get my greedy little hands on some "dummies". >This store near me recently went(is Going) out of Business and they're >selling Manequins there >Here are there prices: >Arms,hands $5 -pair >Torso's Upper/Lower $15 a halve >Are these good buys > > Well.... >HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! > @ @ > ) > \____/ > YOUR PAL > AnEuRYsm > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 05:43:19 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 07:39:45 -0600 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey, fellow phantoms! The insurance problem is a sticky one. We do our haunt outside; we do not charge admission, but we ask for donations for St. Jude Children's Hospital. We checked with our insurance company and they told us that by accepting donations, they considered us a "business" and our homeowners' insurance would NOT cover any problems that might arise. They told us we would have to purchase a separate policy for the one night we do our haunt... The price for one night's insurance was (brace yourself, ghouls!) FOUR HUNDRED dollars. This seemed a bit pricey to us, since we were simply taking donations for charity. To make a long story a bit shorter, we finally worked things out so that our homeowners insurance covers us. I do recommend that each of you check into your insurance situation. A few years back, a woman stepped backwards off our neighbor's porch and fell down the stairs during trick or treat. There were no allegations of negligence or anything like that, and she couldn't find a doctor who would agree that she was injured. She did finally link up with a chiropractor would say she had a back injury, so she filed a lawsuit. It ended up being settled out of court for $5000. Let me add here that, if this happened to us, we'd *still* be duking it out in court because I would *never* agree to settle a ridiculous claim like that. However, the legal bills were getting so high everyone thought it was the best solution in this case. I'm sorry to ramble on so long, I just wanted to warn you all that you should check into your insurance situation very thoroughly. Even if you don't charge admission, and even is you are non-profit and working for a charity, you may still be considered a "business" that your regular insurance will not cover. Also, posting signs or adding disclaimers to tickets stating you are not liable for injuries does no good whatsoever. Does anybody else agree that some lawyers and all "professional victims" are much scarier than vampires and werewolves? DJ, who's not too crazy about some insurance agents either From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 06:15:40 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 06:11:32 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Homepage! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Hi ghouls, > I am taking a big step here, a very big one for me...and giving you > the URL to my homepage. Way cool site, Kathy! It shows a tremendous ammount of work and effort! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 06:29:27 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:25:26 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-02 09:18:52 EST, you write: << To make a long story a bit shorter, we finally worked things out so that our homeowners insurance covers us. I do recommend that each of you check into your in >> ---------------------------------------------------------- Please DETAIL what you had to do... This is VERY important information for all small HH and would be good for ALL on the list to use (or just to know) as a framework to start from for such small events. jerry- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 06:48:09 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Axworthy Flying Ghost Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:41:47 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: > I'm still trying to get some more clarity to the Axworthy Flying Ghost. [Snip! Folks, don't include the entire previous message in your reply!] Iowa Chapman replied: >I tell ya what.. who created this thing.. can he draw a pretty good >diagram?? if so I would be willing to scan them and host them on my web page. [Snip! Folks, don't include the entire previous message in your reply!] Yes, the Flying Crank Ghost is already on a web page...No need to make another one! Have a look at: http://members.aol.com/phanmech/files.html Which will point you to Doug Ferguson's WONDERFUL illustrations of how to construct the mechanism, and how it looks in action. You will also find a text description of the ghost at: http://members.aol.com/phanmech/fcghost.txt Happy Haunting! "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 06:58:33 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:55:44 -0600 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-02 09:18:52 EST, you write: > > << To make a long story a bit shorter, we finally worked things out so that > our homeowners insurance covers us. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Please DETAIL what you had to do... Well, I'm not necessarily proud of this, but here goes. When our local insurance agency informed us that by taking charity donations from trick-or-treaters we were automatically a business and they would not cover us, we initially refused to believe it. It just sounded to preposterous. We insisted they check into the matter further. We had several lengthy discussions with the local folk, and still could not convince them we were not a business. Finally they told us they had "called the home office" and confirmed their position. Frankly, at this point I was rather steamed. I suggested they call the home office again to let them know we would be cancelling our policy soon; we would be purchasing insurance from a company that showed a bit more understanding for their clients. You know what? About an hour later our agent phoned us to say that he had again checked with the home office and, gosh darn it, there had been a mistake. They *would* cover us through our regular policy. They would make a special exception for us. I shudder to think what would have happened had we not checked into the insurance situation. We've been very lucky and have never had any injuries or claims (knock on a wooden coffin), but you never know what might happen. Can you believe the woman who fell off the neighbor's porch and sued *always* shows up at our haunt? And, I might add, she has never made a donation as requested. Yes, people, be afraid. Be very afraid. There are definitely some sleazy people out there just waiting for a chance to sue. I'm sorry if this isn't much help to you, but it did work for us. DJ, who seriously considered putting the insurance agent's name on a tombstone that year From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:12:47 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:02:53 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm updating my haunts list for 1997 (see http://www.geocities.com/heartland/2007/haunts.html) and am particularly interested in adding lots of private haunts (folks and their houses--see the first section). Send me stuff! Thanks! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:15:27 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 07:48:17 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Manequin!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Good buys...those are great buys!! Give me a phone number...PLEASE!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:16:26 1997 From: allconen@btigate.com Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:14:01 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: > > Granted, we've only been meeting for two weeks now, but I have found > that our MIRC time of day, or day of week has us stopped before we > start. Saturdays are pretty busy for us--I've really wanted to participate, but haven't been around (out being ghoulish, ya know). Weekdays are fine, daytime or evening (I know some folks have said they only have access at work) or maybe Sunday evenings--before the X-files, of course ;^} Debbie From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:19:51 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 07:22:16 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: magazines Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com BUSH134@aol.com wrote: > > To the person who wanted to know where to get the catalogs: > > Monster Makers catalog is $3.00 Phone number is 1-216-651-SPFX > > Makeup Artist Magazine- Don't have phone number. They have a website > somewhere but I don't remember where. If anyone does know, please mention > it. > > Haunted Attraction Magazine- Exactly same as above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Hope this helps. > > Mike > > PS- If anyone wants to know more companies that supply haunted house supplies > and/or special effects supplies, say so and I will spend some time typing the > 30 or so I have!!!! Absolutely. I would like as many references as you can muster. Thank you for the turn on for the these also. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.html X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:34:59 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Axworthy Flying Ghost Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:50:44 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com writes: >Wish we could include gif in the email.... Just to head this off before anyone volunteers to be "helpful" and emails out binhexed jpegs to the entire mailing list....PLEASE, do not send pictures or other binary enclosures to the mailing list, because they take up a tremendous amount of bandwidth and storage space. If you have pictures you want to share, you can individually email them to people who request them, or even better, put them up on a web page! This makes it much easier for people to view them. If you don't have a web page of your own, many mailing list members do, and you're certain to get volunteers to host your pictures if you ask around. Thanks, "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:36:26 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 07:27:17 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Axworthy Flying Ghost Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com sao@mit.edu wrote: The flying crank ghost and the Scott Axeworthy flying ghost are not the same thing. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 07:58:59 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:33:12 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Homepage! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, love your web site--and I've barely scratched the surface! Here's a little suggestion...put a mailto so we can send you messages from your page (or did I miss it?)! Will have to explore all the other holidays, too! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 08:18:29 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Axworthy Flying Ghost Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 11:15:03 EST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com bandrews@inreach.com, Wed, 02 Apr 1997 07:27:17 -0800: >The flying crank ghost and the Scott Axeworthy flying ghost are not the >same thing. Whoops. Sorry, I got my spirits confused. Bob's right, the Axeworthy flying ghost is the one which zips around outside on a looped thread somewhat like a ski lift. I got myself unconfused when I found the description of the mechanism in Don's archives, at http://www.crl.com/~bertino/halloween/outdoor.ghosts Thanks for the correction. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 08:36:47 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 11:32:47 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Homepage! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy! Three thumbs up! Great site! Love the photo section! Cliff P.S. the blue text was hard to read (myopia setting in...) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 08:53:47 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:51:58 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lauren Jones wrote: > > I'm updating my haunts list for 1997 (see > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/2007/haunts.html) and am particularly > interested in adding lots of private haunts > (folks and their houses--see the first > section). Send me stuff! > > Thanks! If you find that I haven't responded yet, please let me know. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.html X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 09:03:06 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:50:46 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Axworthy Flying Ghost Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com sao@mit.edu wrote: > > bandre Hey Andy! You included my whole message! ;-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 09:36:14 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 17:27:35 UT From: "Richard Gauger" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Hi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just thought I would take a second to introduce myself to your GREAT list. I've been working on a few projects to scare the kiddies,especially with all the help from this column. This year I guess the highlight will be a full-size animated talking skeleton in a moving rocking chair all set off by a motion detector. The trouble with this halloween stuff is that it is by far the most ADDICTING hobby I have ever been involved with- the more I do the more I want to do. Like many of you, my goal is someday to own a full-blown haunted house. Anyway, I come from a CNC machining backbround, and lately have been trying to get involved in the electronics end of prop-making. Well, enough for now, I've been "lurking for a month or two and thought I would say "hi". Rich Gauger Rich_Gauger@MSN.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 10:21:49 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:17:59 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (was: Re: advertising/promoting) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > ...I was going to call them, Are thay EXSPENSIVE? I have "offshore" insurance and was wondering if that could beat the price I am getting now.... Well, I've been told I spent too much, and shopping around was recommended. After looking over their policy, their coverage appeared to be very comprehensive. A haunt owner I met that placed a claim with them last year was pleased with their response and service- I hope I never have to find out personally! They encourage contacting them for quotes. They have a survey they use to determine your fees. I dont have their phone number handy, but their address is: Allied Speciality Insurance, 10451 Gulf Blvd., Treasure Island, FL 33706-9948 They also have a regular full page ad in Haunted Attraction magazine.. IMO - be sure your'e covered! These days "I'll sue!" (or worse, "Let me sue for you!") seems to be the battle cry of every opportunist on this planet.. If any kind of Haunted Attraction association ever becomes reality, my soapbox is for a national 'rider responsibilty' law that offers some protection against stupidity (and arrogance) ...sigh... Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 10:39:49 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:34:27 -0800 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Richard Gauger wrote: > > Just thought I would take a second to introduce myself to your GREAT list. Richard, Welcome to the list! Do you have a web site? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 11:26:52 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 11:21:11 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Scene help #2 "Is he dead?" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > Robert, > > In using Jerry's idea of an "eccentric weight" attached to a 1/4 HP motor: > last year, I used an electric drill with a "U" bolt, bent in a vise to a > right angle. One end of the this bolt held large washers between nuts which > was the eccentric weight. > the dummy, the eccentric/drill must be firmly attached to the dummy's > frame. I attached the drill to a wood board, leaving the bit with > eccentric in it > extend over the edge of this board. I then built a dummy chest of "hardware > cloth" and screwed the wood board to the "hardware cloth" in a position so > that > the eccentric could turn freely (without striking chest wall). > Can I ask what "Hardware Cloth" is? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.html X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 11:40:43 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 11:36:12 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Richard Gauger wrote: > > Just thought I would take a second to introduce myself to your GREAT list. This year I guess the highlight will be a full-size > animated talking skeleton in a moving rocking chair all set off by a motion > detector. Welcome. Please fill us in on any details you have on your skeleton event! -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.html X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 12:25:12 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:17:04 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Tesla Coil! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi All! I completely forgot (until a few moments ago) about the HUGE Tesla coils at the transworld show. These guys had a 'small' one running that shot sparks about '2-3'! Very wicked looking sparks! They were saying they had to run it at only half power due to lack of space...(geee, too baad...) They also had a 6' tall one that they said they didn't have enough room to fire off! They claimed sparks 6'-10' !!!! (uh huh... backing away slowly...) On a saner note, they also had very well made Jacob's ladders, too! Jus' thought you'd be interested... Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 13:08:40 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:11:06 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Hi, Aneurysm Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Don't feel bad about being buried under a ton of e-mail! I just >discovered this list in 4/97 NETGUIDE "365 Best Places to Hang Out" Agh! That explans why there has been SOOO much traffic on this list latelty. Don.. It's really getting time for a diegest version. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 13:25:02 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:21:49 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Tesla Coil! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Hi All! >I completely forgot (until a few moments ago) about the HUGE Tesla coils >at the transworld show. These guys had a 'small' one running that shot >sparks about '2-3'! Very wicked looking sparks! They were saying they >had to run it at only half power due to lack of space...(geee, too >baad...) They also had a 6' tall one that they said they didn't have >enough room to fire off! They claimed sparks 6'-10' !!!! (uh huh... >backing away slowly...) >On a saner note, they also had very well made Jacob's ladders, too! >Jus' thought you'd be interested... >Cliff Yes, I have seen one of the 6 foot {More like 8 foot} models... Lets just say that well, if you really want to create a good lightning effect. :) Jay By the way, standing at least 30 feet away is QUITE a good idea!. ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 13:27:57 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:17:20 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Event Control Timer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, Has anyone tried to extract the ECT.EXE posted on the Halloween-l archive site? The text refers to ECT.Zip but what's posted is ect.exe. I figured no problem it's just a self extracting zip. But when I type ect I get an error message. Can someone try to download this and see if they have any problems unzipping it. I want to get this .jpg and text but don't know if the file is corrupt or something is wrong on my end. I'm not new to unzipping files and don't believe anything is wrong on my end but it would be helpful if someone could take a few minutes to see if the problem is with the file or me. Thanks in advance, ...Gary gengle@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 13:47:00 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:43:33 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Tesla Coil! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Cliff Martin wrote: > > Hi All! > On a saner note, they also had very well made Jacob's ladders, too! > Jus' thought you'd be interested... > Cliff Do you have the info on where and how much should we decide to buy instead of make? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 13:53:39 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:43:03 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: fake skeleton? -Reply -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com They are on sale till April 1st...E-mail either of us for further details. John <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< APRIL 1ST?!?!? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! It's Wednesday and I'm just now getting through the tons of email received while gone to Brainshare last week! :( Jeez, working can be such a pain when it comes to your fun! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 14:29:32 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:24:47 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Blackhole effect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com We did something similar at our family haunt last year. My brother-in-law and myself built it out of 1x2" welded wire. We cut the wire to length and wrapped in in a circle, using aluminum conduit that we curved around the outside of it and wired to the mesh. The conduit sections (3 pieces 8 ft long) were connected via standard connectors, making a circle around the outside. The entire "tube" was about 12ft long and approx 8ft in diameter. We made a frame for the thing to sit in using 2x4s and old lawn mower wheels to allow it to rotate (moved by hand, of course!) After several tries at what to cover it with (paper mache' wouldn't stay put!), we found a roll of shipping shrink wrap and wrapped the outside of the tunnel with it. We then painted the inside flat black and used flourescent paint for designs and words. Blacklight lit. Set it in the wheel frame and built a suspended walkway through it. It was crude, but it worked! Was the talk of the haunt. Just my 2 cents. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 14:31:49 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:18:26 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Magazines Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Here is a list of great companies----- *means that they don't have a catalog if this is the case, then they have a website you cna look for* Alcone Makeup 1 718 361 8373 Badger Airbrush 1 800 222 7553 Ben Nye 1 310 839 1984 Bodytech 1 816 347 3588 Burman Makeup 1 618 782 9833 The Chamber of Horrors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 615 252 6795 Death Studios 1 219 326 4321 Davis Dental Supply 1 818 765 4994 Drake Enterprises 1 908 563 1832 Effective Engineering 1 619 450 1024 Graphic Marker --------This sells a product called studio dye. Ask for a studio dye brochure and sample and they send a six piece sample FREE!!! 1 818 709 4512 Halloween Outlet 1 800 425 9336 Lil Shop of Horrors $25.00 catalog!!! Don't have it but I have been to their website. 1 412 537 8913 Mass FX Don't know if they have a catalog!!!!!!! 1 508 476 3704 Special Effects Supply* 1 801 298 9762 Stage Door Studios 1 407 679 9621 Terror By Design* 1 630 830 9561 Triless Special effects 1 800 274 6910 See if that keeps you guys occupied. I have a data organizer with all these companies, but I didn't include them all. Keep in mind, some of these catalogs cost money but they are worht it. Also, some of these might be cancelled or somethnig as I haven't checked on some recently. Mike Also, if anyone is interested in buying the book " How to Run a Financially Successful Haunted Hous" I have a slightly used copy I will sell for $5.00 + s&h Has some highlighting in it, but all the pages are there and readable. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 14:40:35 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Event Control Timer Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:35:38 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary, Am sending you under separate (private) Email, the ECT.EXE file that I sent to Don Bertino for the Archives. I too noticed that it didn't download properly and requested Don l-o-n-g time ago, check this..but heard nothing since, so thought it was just me. Now I'm reinforced that this Archive file is defective. ============================ Ref ======================== At 04:17 PM 4/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > > Hello, Has anyone tried to extract the ECT.EXE posted on the >Halloween-l archive site? The text refers to ECT.Zip but what's >posted is ect.exe. I figured no problem it's just a self extracting >zip. But when I type ect I get an error message. Can someone try to >download this and see if they have any problems unzipping it. I want to >get this .jpg and text but don't know if the file is corrupt or something >is wrong on my end. > > I'm not new to unzipping files and don't believe anything is >wrong on my end but it would be helpful if someone could take a few >minutes to see if the problem is with the file or me. > > Thanks in advance, > > ...Gary gengle@erols.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 14:41:16 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:44:31 -0800 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Event Control Timer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary Engle wrote: > > Hello, Has anyone tried to extract the ECT.EXE posted on the > Halloween-l archive site? I'm not new to unzipping files and don't >believe anything is > wrong on my end but it would be helpful if someone could take a few > minutes to see if the problem is with the file or me. I just tried, and am not having any luck... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 15:27:22 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:53:55 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Homepage! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Brandts, Thanks for the vote!!!I guess I did good!! Happy Haunting Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 15:27:49 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:55:57 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (was: Re: advertising/promoting) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi ghouls, I just received my copy of Haunted Attraction...and there in the magazine is a ad for a insurance company that covers haunts. We only put the haunt up in our front yard...we do have renters ins, and the family member that owns the house has homeowners. We do not charge....so do you think we are covered or should I call... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 15:49:58 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: What is Hardware Cloth Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:45:46 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: >Can I ask what "Hardware Cloth" is? Hardware cloth, to me, is just EXPENSIVE "chicken wire". Found in most hdwe stores, It's made of thicker wire and the rectangular spaces are much smaller which also gives it strength. Although it's easy to bend to form a shape, for building "dummies" it may be better than chicken wire, especially if the dummy will be animated. A wire cutting tool (like wire snips) is needed to cut this material and ALWAYS wear gloves or you'll pay with your own blood :} |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 16:18:36 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:14:58 -0800 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: Insurance (was: Re: advertising/promoting) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:55 PM 4/1/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi ghouls, > I just received my copy of Haunted Attraction...and there in the >magazine is a ad for a insurance company that covers haunts. We only put >the haunt up in our front yard...we do have renters ins, and the family >member that owns the house has homeowners. We do not charge....so do you >think we are covered or should I call... >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > Please send me the information on the company in the magazine. Phone ect.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 16:19:13 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:51:28 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Homepage! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HI Lauren, I do have a guest book on the very first Holidays Page. I may need to make it more of a attention getter. And I know this is not horror related, but if anyone is Irish make sure to check out St. Patricks Day. there are so many links to stores in Ireland...it is great fun. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 16:20:20 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:51:09 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Welcome Rich, Always glad to have a new ghoul in the haunt. Please feel free to share your ideas and thoughts...or we will suck them out of your body! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 16:21:58 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:18:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Event Control Timer Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim, and all: Don't be too quick to blame the archive! As I wrote off-line to Gary, the real problem is in the naming of the file! The binary ECT.EXE is indeed a perfectly good (I just d'loaded it this afternoon) self- extracting zip archive. However, it has been UUEncoded for mailability, and really should be named ECT.UUE, then UUDecoded after downloading. This will return you the ECT.EXE, which then works fine. Alternatively, the archive can certainly be changed to actually contain the .EXE binary, which will be sent via your browser as a MIME-encoded binary file. Dave On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Jim Kadel wrote: > Gary, > > Am sending you under separate (private) Email, the ECT.EXE file that I sent to > Don Bertino for the Archives. I too noticed that it didn't download > properly and > requested Don l-o-n-g time ago, check this..but heard nothing since, so > thought > it was just me. Now I'm reinforced that this Archive file is defective. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 17:15:35 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:49:01 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (was: Re: advertising/promoting) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Iowa, Here is the info... Allied Insurance 1-800-237-3355 in Florida! fax...813-367-1407 I hope this helps you. this is one of the things this ad says they are special in!! By the way the magazine is great!! And to see several of our members mentioned in it was a great pleasure!! I am going to subscribe..! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 17:54:35 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:51:26 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: soap box time Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subj: Re: Axworthy Flying Ghost Date: 97-04-02 20:47:57 EST From: Spookyfx To: crafters@silcom.com In a message dated 97-04-02 10:44:32 EST, you write: << > well I can, but most do not like downloading big files because > it costs per minute to do so! It does? I didn't know that! How do they bill for this, and who is it? -- >> I meant the ones who have servers that charge by time online... HOWEVER, the phone company is trying to get the goverment to let them charge the internet users for each unit of time more than a normal call. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON! This is why (I bet) AOL went unlimited, they knew that the phone company would limit the users.... jerry the paranoid web abuser! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 18:06:15 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:04:10 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Sheila Compton Subject: MEMBERS LIST Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:54:07 >To: ghope@coyote.csusm.edu >From: Sheila Compton >Subject: MEMBERS LIST > >Hi Greg. I would like to introduce myself. I am Sheila Compton from Prince Edward Island Canada. My Husband and my family run a family Market garden. In the fall of the year we have a large Halloween display on our front lawn, that helps to sell our large supply of pumpkins. Last year I had 60 pumkin men stuffed and placed on the lawn along with other things that we made exp. a large tractor that was made out of straw, (full size). All of my pumpkin men and women are full size, standing up. I stuff them all with starfoam packing chips that I get from the Jewerly stores. The men are all wearing coverals (easy to stuff) The woman all have long skirts to hide the fence post for which there are used to stand up. The heads are the plactic pumpkin buckets turned upside down. I ususally have a Thankgiven theme. Which would consist of the pumpkin men around a table eating. I also have added a large horse and wagon, (full size) for which we fill with our pumpkins. Our business is right on a busy highway and is very popular and has always had very favorable comments from everyone who sees it. I even have Wedding parties come to get some of their wedding photos taken with the pumpkin men, when they were wanting a fall scene. Our business was started 39 years ago and is a family run. My theme has always been a happy family theme with a alot of colour. I add to it every year. This time of year is when I stuff the men and women and children, and make the necessary pieces that I want for the lawn. I am always looking for ideas every year. Any help would be appreciated. We live in a farming community and I always try to have something related to farming in the display. I don't want graveyard, toomstones, bats, or that kind. We have alot of kindergardens and very young families come to get family photes, so I don't want anyone to be scared. I am enjoying this mailing group. Please help with any ideas you might have. > > Sheila Compton > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 18:51:51 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:44:03 -0800 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings to my Fellow Haunt Enthusiasts at Halloween-L … I’ve been reading along , and occasionally sharing, for several weeks and feel I have been remiss in not introducing myself. My name is David Schwend. I’m a 39 year old Telecommunications Engineer, and I am a Halloween addict. My Halloween addiction started in my pre-teen years, when my parents encouraged my brothers and me to create our own Halloween costumes. In the sixth grade (1968), I won first prize (a stuffed rat) in the annual costume parade for my "Lost in Space" robot costume. I used gallon paint cans for the legs, coffee cans for the arms, an old soap barrel for the torso, and a Colonel Sanders Bucket for the head. Some aluminum foil, silver spray paint, and rubber gloves finished it off. In Junior High, I concentrated on front yard displays, and in tormenting my younger brothers with speakers in the attic, over their bedroom, and black light illuminated ghosts flying down the hall. At 16, I designed and built my first haunted house, in partnership with my 14 year old neighbor. We partitioned off our garages for the indoor rooms, and used a backyard graveyard to connect them together. Seven other kids from the neighborhood staffed the house, and we earned enough from our 25 cent admission to treat the whole crew to cheeseburgers, fries and soft drinks from McDonald’s. At 17 (1974), I went to a Campus Life "Scream in the Dark", in San Diego. That visit convinced me to join their ranks and I spent the next week as a monster scaring 1000 to 3500 people a night. ( I provided my own costume since theirs weren’t all that convincing.) As a side note for all those anti-Haunted House Christian fundamentalists, I credit this Haunted House with my decision to become a Christian myself. When I graduated High School, I stuck with Campus Life and specialized in building, set dressing, special effects, and sound. I spent 4 seasons with them at various venues before I took a 4 year break to do sound and lights at a large 1400 bed Christian Conference Center (camp). The biggest year, during my involvement with Campus Life, we netted $140,000 with a $14,000 investment, charging $2.50 to $3.00 a person. The secret was having all those high school volunteers. High School football teams practically fought for the chance to provide security and spend the night sleeping in the caskets. While at camp, I and several friends haunted the local mountain community we lived in. We would lurk in the shadows, surprising passing cars and trick-or-treaters, and we were invited to crash several Halloween parties. Also, one year while working at camp, I gave Covina Campus Life a hand with their "Scream in the Dark", designing and building the mummy’s tomb for their house at the Covina Fashion Plaza. I left camp to attend school at Cal Poly Pomona, and got my degree in Electrical Engineering in 1985. (Someone mentioned the Chaffee College Haunted House a few days ago. I had the pleasure of visiting that house as a paying guest twice during my 3 years at Cal Poly. I am also of the opinion that they did a wonderful job.) For the last six years, I’ve been the designer/builder, effects, sound, and light guy for the Oneonta Haunted House, at Oneonta Congregational Church in South Pasadena, California. We use two floors of the youth building, the stage in the fellowship hall, parts of the church grounds, and occasionally the prayer chapel for our Haunt. I use my job at the local electric utility to fund a major part of the construction (and all of the special effects, sound and lights). That way the money raised from ticket sales can go to the youth program that provides the monsters. Last season, the youth group also donated $1 from every ticket sold to the South Pasadena Rose Parade Float (a trophy winning Bee Hive with a pair of 4-Runner chase bees). This season my haunt plans are still up in the air. Most of my young Haunt Assistants are graduating this year and off to college in the fall. The youth minister is afraid we may not have the human resources to take on "The October Project" this year. We may have to "go dark" (or is it "Light" in the Dark Attraction business?) until we can build the interest in a new group of would be ghosties. David Schwend From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:00:44 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:54:31 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Manequin!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Hey Good buys...those are great buys!! Give me a phone number...PLEASE!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Well Kathy I dont know where you live but the name of the store is Corals and its located in Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania-its one of those fancy clothing stores,and its just about empty, I was there today theres about five clothing racks left and a box of about twenty body parts. I asked for there number but since they're just about out of business they turned the phones off. Thanks and HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! # # ) (____) AneUrySm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:05:40 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:59:46 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flaming Skulls Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thats a pretty good solution to my problem,however I think I might take that one step further by Hollowing out the skull and leave holes in the eyes,mouth ,nose,and on top of the skull with the wick inside.That way hopefully flames will come from everywhere. I just wonder since the skull will be a lot thinner if it will hold up to flames for a while. HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! # # ) (____) AneUrySm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:15:13 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:07:54 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Molds Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey does anybody know if you can buy the molds or copy's of the molds from a company. Last year I bought these 3foot latex rubber vampire bats from a smoke sale for 10 dollars each. They are one of my favorite props ever.However now that the sale is over the new ones are 85 dollars. I tried making my own and mine look pretty good but no where near as good as those 3footers. If I cant buy them is there some way to make a mold from my bats without ruining them? HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! # # ) (____) AneUrySm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:23:51 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:17:46 -0800 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Ghost transport system revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Once again sorry that I cant remeber the inventor of this fine piece of construction. Anyway I loved that ghost transport system(you know the one with the wheels that sends ghosts flying all over the yard) So Im going to apply it to a different situation.I have A 10 foot reaper and Im going to have mini reapers fly around him.Im going to add a few more wheels so that they go in more directions instead of a circle. My only problem will be hiding the wheels. I think that Ill just set Non-moving reapers in front of them. I shall report thine results when thy fruits of my imagination come to bloom. HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! # # ) (____) AneUrySm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:33:29 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:31:19 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (was: Re: advertising/promoting) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Kathy, I just read your note. I spoke with Joe Gaeta from Allied Insurance just this week. We met him at the convention in Chicago. He is having the person in charge of our state call me back. I have been talking to insurance brokers locally, and while they are familiar with "Special Event" insurance and can give me quotes on that, Joe said there is specific "Haunted Attraction" insurance that we should be looking at instead. While this might not be necessary in your case, I think Allied could put you in touch with someone familiar with your state and it's specific insurance laws. I think when it comes to insurance, you need a lot of information in order to make a good decision. In any event, it might be worth the call. Good Luck! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:37:59 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:38:40 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What is Hardware Cloth Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > Wil wrote: > > >Can I ask what "Hardware Cloth" is? > > Hardware cloth, to me, is just EXPENSIVE "chicken wire". Found in most > hdwe stores, It's made of thicker wire and the rectangular spaces are much > smaller which also gives it strength. Thanks. This idea of the jerking dummy has my interest now. :~) -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:40:13 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:40:47 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Homepage! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Kathy. I tried in vain a few times to checkl out you site, with no lyck. Perhaps the server was down or just too much traffic today. But the thing just wouldn't download. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 19:52:00 1997 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:24:32 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (was: Re: advertising/promoting) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com thanks for the note on the insurance company. I will check them out. Now for the new problem, and all of you know that this is just the start of another season... We have a very long walkway that we enclose as a hallway. We are going to set it up like a movie theater seating area. We would like to put a piece of material at the far end of the hall and show the old black and white movies on it. So when people go down the hall they really feel like they are in a theater. Now what we need is a CHEAP OLD video projector. Or another way of doing it....any and all ideas are welcome. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 20:02:31 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: FX Supply Company Info Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:00:21 -0800 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Tri-Ess Sciences now has a website: www.4dreamland.com/tri-ess.html I haven't checked it out yet, but considering that the last time I ordered from them it was painfully obvious I have an old catalog, I'm gonna take a look... Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 20:44:13 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Event Control Timer Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:38:51 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:18 PM 4/2/97 -0800, Dave Bell wrote: =========================================================== >Jim, and all: > > Don't be too quick to blame the archive! As I wrote off-line to Gary, >the real problem is in the naming of the file! The binary ECT.EXE is >indeed a perfectly good (I just d'loaded it this afternoon) self- >extracting zip archive. However, it has been UUEncoded for mailability, >and really should be named ECT.UUE, then UUDecoded after downloading. >This will return you the ECT.EXE, which then works fine. > > Alternatively, the archive can certainly be changed to actually >contain the .EXE binary, which will be sent via your browser as a >MIME-encoded binary file. > >Dave ======================================================== Dave, Good analysis, thanks! I've sent my original ECT.EXE to list members who requested it today as they couldn't get it from the Archived (misnamed file). As your message to Halloween-L (above) will quickly fade from memory, I'd opt for the 2nd of your alternative answers to be applied as soon as possible. Am sending a copy of this directly to Don Bertino and will ask him to UUdecode the Archive posted file and leave it named: ECT.EXE. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 20:46:10 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 20:46:23 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ghost transport system revisited Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Aneurysm wrote: > > Once again sorry that I cant remeber the inventor of this fine piece of > construction. Anyway I loved that ghost transport system(you know the one > with the wheels that sends ghosts flying all over the yard) You wouldn't mean Scott Axworthy? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 21:14:59 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:50:13 -0800 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Insurance (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com DJ wrote: > >> > Does anybody else agree that some lawyers and all "professional victims" > are much scarier than vampires and werewolves? > Definitely...Even though I must admit to being related to one of those lawyer things ;) (doesn't do personal injury though) Julie and Dwyane The crypt keepin' 2 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 22:34:13 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:28:36 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To David Schwend, May I ask what college you went to? I am a freshman highschooler, and I am looking for colleges that will suit my main interest, special effects. I will appreciate an answer very much. Thanks. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 22:40:39 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:38:17 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Magazines Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Did the list ever get my magazine companies? I spent a good 25 minutes typing out a whole bunch of companies, and I sent it, but I never got it on my mail. I should have shouldn't I???? I really did type in a lot of companies and if I need to retype it I will but that will really suck. Give me a few days 'cuase I am real busy right now. First of all, I am moving into a new house. Second, I am trying to spend plenty of time on my homework so I can get A's and not get in trouble. And last, I am now occupied Thursday, Friday, and Saturday from 5:00 to 11:00 or so. I am on a set crew for my sister's elementry production. Just be patient with me and I wiil eventually get the info on here. Thanks. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 23:18:08 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:16:09 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-02 21:51:50 EST, you write: << I left camp to attend school at Cal Poly Pomona, and got my degree in Electrical Engineering in 1985. (Someone mentioned the Chaffee College Haunted House a few days ago. I had the pleasure of visiting that house as a paying guest twice during my 3 years at Cal Poly. I am also of the opinion that they did a wonderful job.) >> --------------------------------------------------- BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN! but I was impresionable at that time :) GARY SKINNER was the designer... HEY GARY! If you are on this list speak up! You helped made me what I am today! Jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 23:24:52 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:22:59 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-02 21:51:50 EST, you write: << This season my haunt plans are still up in the air. Most of my young Haunt Assistants are graduating this year and off to college in the fall. The youth minister is afraid we may not have the human resources to take on "The October Project" this year. We may have to "go dark" (or is it "Light" in the Dark Attraction business?) until we can build the interest in a new group of would be ghosties. David Schwend >> --------------------------------------------- David Would you be interested in working a profit HH in the city of Industry? I am in the middle of getting sponsors at this point. I have been done HH for charity for 20 years. I have decided to try one for profit this time. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 2 23:51:14 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:45:35 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: PROMISES, PROMISES... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well know I have yet to post more info on the TACO ILLUSION. I went off onto other projects. Same bloody reason for not posting the gif to the sound to motion switch. I got a great deal on a car alarm from radio shack and was inspired to make a remote control version of the trash can trauma. I LOVE this idea. I normally do not like "startles" but I realize that my customers DO! And this one is a very deceptive one. The idea that a mundane trash can out on the corner of the street on Halloween can turn into such a pant wetter is very good. I like the subtle way of getting so close to the victims! The car alarm was only $19 and the alarm was a simple blast rather than the new pattern cycles that would not fit the scare at all! I was lucky, I figured if it was the new sounding alarm I would just use it as a car alarm. I had to fish around on the circuit board to find a place to steal current to trip a relay, BUT I FOUND IT! So I now have a remote control, self contained, sound and relay activated "brain" for my "Oscar the grouch zombie". GOD I love it when my blind tinkering gets results. Most of the time all I get is electrocuted! ANYWAY, when I get bored with this I will return to the TACO illusion. I will get the gif on my webpage hopefully this weekend and let you all know. It is easy even for you non-soldering iron types, and it will provide great control of relays from recorded sound. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 00:23:22 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:21:35 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-02 22:52:40 EST, you write: << We have a very long walkway that we enclose as a hallway. We are going to set it up like a movie theater seating area. We would like to put a piece of material at the far end of the hall and show the old black and white movies on it. So when people go down the hall they really feel like they are in a theater. Now what we need is a CHEAP OLD video projector. Or another way of doing it....any and all ideas are welcome. Kathy the new kid >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have been working on a way to duplicate the Indiana Johns ride illusion of bugs crawling up the wall. ( By the way, I worked on theis ride indirectly as a draftsman for a SUBcontractor for Disney ) Last year I made a LOW heat projector and a special chamber for crickets. It worked OK but the projection of the bugs were too BIG. I let it go for a season, but I still wanted a creative and CHEAP way to do this. I RACKED my poor little brain and came up with this not great but workable solution.... I used animation (free off the web) software to produce bugs (VERY SMALL ONES) on a Monitor, than used a television projection box I made using a simple LARGE magnifying glass. I had to turn the monitor WAY up but it worked! You should be able to do the same thing with a normal television set. (This was one of the hardest challenges for "creative, not expensive solutions in special effects" I have attempted so far. I know it seams easy now that you know the "trick". But It sure gave me some sleepless nights.... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not EASY solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 05:29:40 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 06:09:40 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Pumpkin Patch Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sheila, Loved the description of your "pumpkin patch"! But don't underestimate the kids. At the bottom of my street for many years there was a big pumpkin display. Kids brought their parents to this particular place to buy pumpkins because they built a big hollow platform on bales of hay and hung spiderwebs and skeletons and scarecrows, etc., underneath in the hollow area. The "cave" was built in a simple T shape, so kids coming from one of three entrances could "scare" each other at the intersection by jumping out. Outside of Philadelphia, PA, Linvalia Orchards has a number of displays throughout the grounds (including live animals), including the obligatory graveyard, witch flying overhead, haunted shack. The place is packed in the fall! Good luck this year! And if you have a web site, post some pics! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 07:21:22 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 07:22:04 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Magazines Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com BUSH134@aol.com wrote: > > Did the list ever get my magazine companies? > Mike Yes, indeed. Thank you very much.:~} From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 07:21:52 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:20:33 -0600 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: njg@cc.UManitoba.CA (Nick Gloor) Subject: Re: Flaming Skulls Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Thats a pretty good solution to my problem,however I think I might take >that one step further by Hollowing out the skull and leave holes in the >eyes,mouth ,nose,and on top of the skull with the wick inside.That way >hopefully flames will come from everywhere. I just wonder since the skull >will be a lot thinner if it will hold up to flames for a while. >HAVE A NICE DAY!!!! > # # > ) > (____) > AneUrySm use refractory cement, its formulated to use in things like fireplaces and kilns etc. It doesn't tend to blow up under heat as much as regular cement. Nick Gloor From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 08:32:14 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:35:48 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >For the last six years, I’ve been the designer/builder, effects, sound, >and light guy for the Oneonta Haunted House, at Oneonta Congregational >Church in South Pasadena, California. We use two floors of the youth >building, the stage in the fellowship hall, parts of the church grounds, >and occasionally the prayer chapel for our Haunt. I use my job at the >local electric utility to fund a major part of the construction (and all >of the special effects, sound and lights). That way the money raised >from ticket sales can go to the youth program that provides the >monsters. Last season, the youth group also donated $1 from every ticket >sold to the South Pasadena Rose Parade Float (a trophy winning Bee Hive >with a pair of 4-Runner chase bees). Umm, is this the same church that had that "House of Sin" thing, you know the one with the guy with Aids/Abortion.. ect ect.. Not trying to start a flame war {But, I have that strange feeling I may just have} Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 08:39:19 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:43:32 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: PROMISES, PROMISES... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You said.: >GOD I love it when my blind tinkering >gets results. Most of the time all I get >is electrocuted! True, that is how most good stuff is invented, just start playen around with things, and you'll never guess what you'll get!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 09:15:03 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:46:45 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Homepage! -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord, they have been working on the files in there for the last couple of days. Please try again, and if it does not work for you let me know. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 09:47:05 1997 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:18:19 -0800 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry, Thanks for the idea. Mike just said that it gave him a idea...Oh no wonder what is going to get torn apart now!! This is the happiest he has looked about this part of the project. We looked at renting a video projector.....$$$$$!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 10:28:04 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:16:25 -0800 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David Schwend wrote: > > >For the last six years, I’ve been the designer/builder, effects, sound, > >and light guy for the Oneonta Haunted House, at Oneonta Congregational > >Church in South Pasadena, California. Jason R. wrote: > Umm, is this the same church that had that "House of Sin" thing, you know > the one with the guy with Aids/Abortion.. ect ect.. > > Not trying to start a flame war {But, I have that strange feeling I may > just have} No Jason, I am not. I have never been involved with one of those "House of Sin" shows. I have seen them in the news and been just as disgusted as everyone else. Those people are way off base, in fact, they aren't even on the ball field. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 12:51:49 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 12:48:03 -0800 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Flying Crank Ghost Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com 'Ween List --HELP--. I sent this post out a couple of days ago, but fear Doug Ferguson is no longer with us. I mean with the list! Perhaps he is, but just not responding. So, in light of this, I would really appreciate any help from the numerous techno-minds out there. I am sure that I'm not the only one on the list that has wanted to construct one of these, and I would like to do the talking version if it isn't too far above my head. I'm working on one of Doug's Flying Crank Ghosts. First off, let me send out my praises To Doug for creating this great event. If it turns out as nice as I think it will, the effect should be major-haunt quality. I also appreciate all the work he's gone through to offer these instructions to the list and web at large. I have a few questions, and probably will have even more before I get the thing finished. Please understand up front that I am still learning the dynamic funtioning of forks and spoons at this point, so my questions may shock and amaze you. 1) Can you suggest the best place to locate the pullies for the hands and head? 2)I decided I was a moron this morning while I was in Radio Shark trying to buy the neccessary ingredients for the LED eyes and such. Do you have any further insights for the electronically brain-dead? When I asked the girl at the shark what these items were that were called out in the instructions, she looked at me like I had three eyes. Of course, I DO have three eyes, but she couldn't help me anyway. Let's say for brevity I wanted to make the ghost version that talks. A) Which type trim pot should I get? (This is the trim pot for the line into the L.E.D. eyes.) They offer two different ones in 10K ohms. (Probably more, the sales girl was even more of an idiot than I usually am.) B) Would I use the head-phones-out on a boom box for the power to this? If so how do I know its 8-ohm? And is this an idiotic question (for all I know, all stereos and boom boxes are 8 ohm)? Perhaps the question is best summed up as; What do I best use as the amplifier to this? B-1)Which leads coming from the boom box or amp should I use? C) What does a 70v. speaker system transformer do? And how can I identify whether I need a 70v or not? (This is in line between the amp and the trim pot that runs to the L.E.D.eyes.)Or is this the only v rating made? D) What type or size of speaker should be used for this, or does that really matter much? E) Is this a typo where you call for a six-foot long wire to be soldered to the short lead and then to the long lead of the other? If not, why six feet long? Does this have to do with impedence? And what size wire should be used? Solid or mulit-wire? f) On the wild chance that I actually get this entire setup working without the help of Nasa engineers, How do I get the voice of the ghost to cue itself back up for the following event session? Thanks to Doug and everyone for their enduring patience with the thinking impaired. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 13:15:32 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:06:06 -0500 From: "SHUNT.EMAIL.VILL.EDU" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: ADMIN. Question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Would someone e-mail me privately with instructions for postponing from the list (without actually unsubscribing)? Is this even possible? Thanks in advance. Sorry for bugging the whole list!!!!!!!!!!! Susan shunt@email.vill.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 14:44:14 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:48:32 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >David Schwend wrote: >> >> >For the last six years, I’ve been the designer/builder, effects, sound, >> >and light guy for the Oneonta Haunted House, at Oneonta Congregational >> >Church in South Pasadena, California. > >Jason R. wrote: > >> Umm, is this the same church that had that "House of Sin" thing, you know >> the one with the guy with Aids/Abortion.. ect ect.. >> >> Not trying to start a flame war {But, I have that strange feeling I may >> just have} > >No Jason, I am not. I have never been involved with one of those "House >of Sin" shows. I have seen them in the news and been just as disgusted >as everyone else. Those people are way off base, in fact, they aren't >even on the ball field. Thank You!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 15:28:16 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:25:50 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re:Cemetery Gates Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi everyone, From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 15:30:53 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:28:29 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cemetery Gates Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi everyone, From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 18:28:23 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:27:00 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Hey, A Few Questions.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I have a few questions for the group: 1) Does anyone have a sorce for low priced flash pots and filling equipment (cotten and powders) 2) Does anyone know of a good sorce for low priced laser pointers, possibly other colors besides red? 3) Is anyone else planning for next year?? :) Thanx Alot, Fiber Opic From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 18:56:57 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:53:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghost To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm not gone, I'm just snowed doing other work! :-/ If anyone needs me, I'll offer my phone number to anyone who writes me OFF LIST. I'm really sorry I haven't been participating, but I'm involved in a lot of non-halloween related web stuff, like helping folks with pages and doing custom graphics. I'll do my best to get involved again soon, but I may be unable to post for several days at a time. A good way to reach me by e-mail is: orniske@aol.com as I use AOL's flash during the day to get my mail automatically. I don't check this account as often. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 19:16:15 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:16:34 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Fire Codes (soapbox version) was Re: HAA (long!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This post is in response to Jerry's post on Sunday concerning some N.F.P.A. regulations (sorry it is so late).First and foremost this is not a public attack on Jerry. I think the main crux of your argu- ment, Jerry, is the frustration many haunt operators feel in dealing with the F.D. at times. But I feel the need to respond because taking the codes out of context can promote all sorts of misinterpretations and false beliefs.We, as haunt operators, should be especially cognizant of the ramifications caused by such stereotypes (having not had the most admirable reput- ations for many years). In my opinion, quoting from the N.F.P.A. is sort of like quoting from the Bible (no disrespect intended), in that you can prabably find something to back up your beliefs if it is taken at face value,and out of context.However by taking the whole volume, and a little history, into perspective ,you would come up with a differ- ent interpretation. In my next post I will humbly attempt to shead some light on some mis- understandings that exist between haunt operators and the F.D. I'm sure it will be very long-winded so if you have no interest in this subject please feel free to ignore/delete. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 19:51:20 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:51:11 -0600 (CST) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Fire Codes and Myths Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Myth 1: The present fire codes were written as a means to "punish" haunt operators. False.Up until the mid 1980's there were virtually no fire codes that dealt specifically with HHs.Then a tragic fire occured in an amusement park HH that was responsible for the loss of eight lives.This single event has had many repercusions in the haunt industry but the two most significant, IMHO, were the first codes written specifically directed toward HHs and the beginning of the great HH/F.D. debate. Some things that many haunt operators fail to realize are the follow- ing: 1) The public pressure that came out of the fire mentioned above, not only placed the blame on the haunt operators but also the fire dep- artment.Many public officials wanted to know why the F.D. failed to regulate the haunt operation and "allowed" the tragedy to happen.Now if you know anything about the fire department you realize that they take any accident very seriously and any inference of negligence is taken personally. 2) The ensuing investigation and resulting codes that were written are a direct result of the actual accident.The haunt where the fire occured was not the typical haunt arrangement.The haunt was operated at a theme park (which had many more customers than your average local haunt) and the set-up was in the form of many semi-trailer cabs linked together (an economically easy solution but not very practical in terms of safety).If you study the codes you will find the word "mobile" mentioned several times.This is the origin of those references.However "mobile" and "modular" are not necessarily synonomous which I have succ- essfully argued with my own F.D. Myth 2: Fire inspectors hate HHs. Yes and no.If you think that F.I.'s hate haunts because of their personal or religious convictions I would argue that this is simply not the case. Remember they have to deal with all sorts of groups of different beliefs and ideals, and now matter how bizzare they maybe, they have no bearing on an inspector's evalution.However by their very nature,haunts are usually dark,labyrinthine,multi-room,exhibits with usually no clearly defined means of egress.To an inspector that has had many years of experience, and has probably witnessed firsthand some truly terrible accidents,this is probably not their most favorite of venues.You have to take into account that an inspector has two major responsibilities:first and foremost to the safety of the public at large,and secondly to the firefighters that have to rescue the patrons if (God forbid) anything should happen.Rem- ember that a firefighter is going to be bogged down with heavy equip- ment and reduced visibility (due to O2 masks).Now trying to imagine them having to navigate through the typical haunt set-up and you can't help but understand why the inspector probably only sees a "deathtrap" before him. Myth 3:The codes as they are written are pointless because they are not equally enforced. Untrue. In defense of the F.D., this is simply a case of C.Y.A. on their part. With the litigious society that we live in, (some recent posts can verify this point) the N.F.P.A. was forced to consider any possible cause (no matter how inconcieveable you may find it personally) for potential danger. To what extent these codes are enforced is entirely up to your local F.D. The intent of this very long-winded post was meant to give some of you a better understanding of how the F.D. feels. I'm sure that it is by no means a complete comprehensive picture but by better understanding the concerns and duties of your local inspector you can hopefully gain an appreciation for their perspective. You need to give a little respect in order to gain some. Remember you must put as much time and energy into properly planning for a "safe" haunt, as you do in your "scares".If you do so,and work with your local F.D.,not against, you will find that in most cases your inspectors can be fairly reasonable people. Any additions,subtractions,critisims,or personal experiences are always welcome! Thank you for your attention.This public service announcement was brought to you (or should I say brought upon you ;( ) by: JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 19:55:39 1997 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:55:35 -0800 From: Spook To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fire Codes (soapbox version) was Re: HAA (long!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I await your next post. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 21:09:15 1997 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 00:08:40 -0500 From: Craig To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fire Codes and Myths Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > Myth 2: Fire inspectors hate HHs. > Yes and no.If you think that F.I.'s hate haunts because of their personal > or religious convictions I would argue that this is simply not the case. In my experience.....it's more politics. One town in which I built one, the local fire inspector was a great guy. He was friendly, but enforced the rules. Very easy to work with....but I also knew him as a friend. Another state I built one....the insp. had us change a few things, got after us for all of the extension cords (made us run wire and place boxes in each room). But he was nice. The next year we went from the city to the county, and the insp. gave us a really hard time. He made us use sheetrock for walls, and wouldn't even let us fireproof anything. He popped in quite a few times to check things out, and even tested the sprinkler system that was part of the building, and not even ours. I called and talked with the state fire marshall and he told me that some parts were uncalled for (like the walls), but he couldn't get down to look into it untill the middle of October. Since we couldn't take this long to wait, we played along with the local FI. Later I hear it was a few people on the council of the county that didn't want us in the county (devil worshipers). Yes, FI's are great people, if they aren't controlled by their own beliefs and outside people...but when they are....look out! Craig From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 21:22:30 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:20:23 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hey, A Few Questions.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-03 21:30:33 EST, you write: << ) Does anyone have a sorce for low priced flash pots and filling equipment (cotten and powders) 2) Does anyone know of a good sorce for low priced laser pointers, possibly other colors besides red? >> ----------------------------------- I can make both. The CHEAP lasers you may want to make yourself. read my posts on cheap color lasers.... cheap homemade powder I can not provide legally... but their is a way to make it, think along the line of HOBBY STORES. Go to one and LOOK AROUND! you will find what you need if you think CREATIVELY! Yours ghouly Jerry - p.s. DONT EVEN THINK OF USING THEM ON STAGE OR IN A HH! @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not SAFE solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 21:23:27 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:21:11 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: cemetery gates Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry about the letter I sent before. My computer messed up. Anyway........ Hi everybody, From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 21:29:53 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:26:55 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cemetery gates Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It did it again, whenever I start to type a letter, it automatically gets sent. Don't ask me!!!!!!!!! I will try it one more time.......... I was thinking about making some cemetery gates and I have already got a lot of help from Bob Andrews. I just have a few questions about some things. Number 1- What kind of paint should I use for pillars? I think grey will not have enough detail. Number 2- I think I want to use wooden dowel rods for the bars. Does anybody know how much a 8' tall, half inch wide dowel rod will cost? Number 3- I have an extremely large yard and I need a cheap way to make gates to go around the whole yard. Any ideas? Thank you and it worked this time. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 21:34:54 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:33:05 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Fire Codes (soapbox version) was Re: HAA (long!) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-03 22:36:26 EST, you write: << In my next post I will humbly attempt to shead some light on some mis- understandings that exist between haunt operators and the F.D. I'm sure it will be very long-winded so if you have no interest in this subject please feel free to ignore/delete. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu >> ------------------------------------------------ I worked in the FIRE ALARM and NURSE CALL SYSTEMS industry for over 5 years. I was speaking from that perceptive, not from my HH experience! Your going to have to pull a rabbit out of your hat to convince me the system dose NOT need to be improved! And that the power to waive rules dose not make up for the fact that the rules should be reasonable to adhere to balanced with acceptable risk. If I do not charge a dollar for my HH the inspectors cant close me down. WHY DOSE CHARGING A DOLLAR MAKE THE HH MORE DANGEROUS? If the rule is justified to protect people than it should applied whether you are profiting or doing it for fun, or doing it for charity! WHY SHOULD A CHARITY BE ALLOWED TO PUT PEOPLE IN "DANGER"? NO matter what you say the rules are made by politics and not for realistic concern.... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 4 00:32:24 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:30:18 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com your welcome and please email me his idea, I am DYING with curiosity... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 4 00:49:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:44:31 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cemetery gates Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-04 00:50:15 EST, you write: I was thinking about making some cemetery gates and I have already got a lot of help from Bob Andrews. I just have a few questions about some things. you: Number 1- What kind of paint should I use for pillars? I think gray will not have enough detail. Jerry: use a simple speckle finish with black, white and gray using a gray base. this is an easy way to create a stone surface. you:Number 2- I think I want to use wooden dowel rods for the bars. Does anybody know how much a 8' tall, half inch wide dowel rod will cost? Jerry: look at the price on PVC pipe instead. you: Number 3- I have an extremely large yard and I need a cheap way to make gates to go around the whole yard. Any ideas? Jerry: paint flats to look like a gate. use black in the areas of the gate that would be see through. At night this will look like it is see through. Painted flats are the cheapest way to make any architecture, and it can look very good if painted with care. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 4 00:50:01 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 15:19:29 UT From: "Richard Gauger" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re:hi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews asked if I have a website- sorry, but no. Death Lord (cool name) wanted to know a little about my skeleton display. It is one of those skeleton "kits" you can buy from places like Halloween Outlet or Special Effects Supply that I have placed in an old rocking chair. When it is completed, a motion detector will set off a tape recorder that will control R/C servos that make his mouth move in sync with the talking, his head turns, his eyes move, and his arm goes up and down, all while the rocking chair is set in motion by a small gearmotor. The control of the servos is done by one of Effective Engineering's controllers. I might add that I had to rework all the moving joints in the skeleton kit with bushings so they would stand the abuse. It should make the kiddies take notice. Rich_Gauger@MSN.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 4 00:52:12 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:46:58 -0500 (EST) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cemetery Gates Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com HERE IT IS! The sound to motion circuit. It is an EASY circuit suitable for the first time hard wire attempt. It uses an ingenious idea (not my idea, I got this in kit form) of a low dc voltage light and a light sensitive switch that controls high voltage dc. The low voltage makes the light go on and off and the light sensitive switch turns the high voltage on and off as it sees the light. The whole thing is hosed in what looks like a computer chip. The schematics can be obtained in gif form from my web site. by clicking on the little face at the very bottom. Right next to the spinning skull (also not mine, but to good to pass up. I am just now experimenting with animated graphics on my web page. ONCE I understand them, I will replace with my own graphics. You must have a