so let me know what you think... have the wheelchair in a elevated area.. like put it on a simulated wooden porch.. (will explain in a minute) ok.. get a wheel and a have a bar attached to it.. or have someone weld a bar to the wheel.. this is like what you would see on a train.. one end of the bar is attached to the wheel, the other end will be attached to the back of the rocking chair.. let me draw an example.. | <-Rocking Chair | -------| | | ------------- ___ _ | | _ || <-- bar attached to back rocker -_____|_____|____- || __________________________||___________ simulated | || | porch | __|| | | / |\ | | wheel --->| +| | | | \ __ / |\ ok... you will need a small motor to turn the small wheel which has a bar connected to one side of the wheel, not the center, by being on the edge it will create a arm that will bob up and down, thus by attaching it to the rocking chair with 2 washers with the bar inbetween and bolted and nuted to the back en dof the rocker the bobbing up and down of the bar would then push the chair up and down like it was rocking, you would have to adjust the motor, or you could just dril mulitple holes in the bar so that you could adjust the height.. you might have to do some adjusting with the wheel placement in height and in positioning. But that should work and with a very low power slow motor, it should nto have any problems.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 02:48:34 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 02:55:51 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: my web page Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:52 PM 4/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey Iowa, > I like the title. The skulls peeping through the orange is great!! did >you make that??? If so...will you tell me the secret!! Doing good!! >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > Nope.. but I liked it so I asked the owner If I could use it, she basically forgot she had it till I told her where the page was, I have done alot of cleaning up on the programing.. so if you wish you can grab it. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 05:40:36 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 06:27:38 -0600 From: Lauren Jones To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: See You Later! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I have to sign off for awhile, but will be back, probably from a different location. In the meantime, don't forget to send your 1997 Halloween haunt listings to willymammoth@geocities.com or visit http://www.geocities.com/heartland/2007! Happy Haunting! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 06:21:09 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Lots'o dry ice fog Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:20:26 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm in a production now where we use a "professional" fog machine for one scene. We're using dry ice fog instead of any of the oil- or glycerine- based ones, and I was astounded how simple the mechanism is! It's nothing more than a 55 gallon drum 1/3 filled with water, a (heavy duty!) immersion heater in the drum, a wire mesh basket to raise and lower the dry ice with, and a squirrel-cage fan. Askii-Grafix(tm) picture below...If you're using a proportional-width font, please switch to fixed width. handle ____ fan \ I I / __ 4" dryer hose leading to stage | |I I / / | |I_____I| | | I I | | I dry I | <--- 55 gallon drum | I_ice_I | | | |~~~~~~~~~~~| <--- water level | | | immersion | | heater | |-----------| We plug the thing in about two hours before we need to use it, and it gets the water up to near boiling. Then when it's time for the fog, we fire up the fan, lower about 25 pounds of dry ice into the hot water, and watch fog billow out the dryer hose. 25 pounds of dry ice is enough to cover the stage for about five minutes...Long enough for the scene. If you build a version of this for your own haunt, make CERTAIN that you've got tight seals on on all the hose fittings and the door through which you add the dry ice; the first night we used it, we didn't seal the top door and the machine completely hid itself in fog! (And we couldn't find it to turn it back off!) "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 07:13:16 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:27:34 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Re: Rocking Chair Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Another Idea that was passed along to me last year was to use an old record player turntable, turned on it's side, fishing line, one end attached to the back of the rocking chair, the other end attached to the turntable with a swivel(fishing type). I still haven't found a turntable to try this with but in theory seems to be sound. I think this would work for me because the lower half of the rocking chair is not visible anyway. You could also adjust the pull by where you attached it to the turntable or chair. ...Gary From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 07:19:28 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:14:37 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Rocking Chair Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-07 06:13:12 EDT, you write: << Im going to try to draw a picture on how i think someone could do a rocking wheelchair.. should be very very very simple... I just thought of this.. so let me know what you think... >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- I have tried several ways to transfer movment to a "ghost" rocking chair. The two I liked the best: a magnetic door holder used to "pull" the chair, AND the old eccentric weight on the motor trick. With the motor on SLOW the same as the hanging man. jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 07:35:50 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 07:38:16 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Wil, > No problem with linking my page! I consider it a honor. As for the > projector a friend of ours gave it to me as a thank you gift for making > his kids halloween costumes for two years. I think he purchased it from > the wood workers book. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Okay, I have those. Thanks. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 07:42:30 1997 From: Davis_Karen To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: See You Later! Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:38:03 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com what's going on? > ---------- > From: Lauren Jones[SMTP:ljones@aphis.usda.gov] > Sent: Monday, April 07, 1997 8:27 AM > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: See You Later! > > I have to sign off for awhile, but will be > back, probably from a different location. > > In the meantime, don't forget to send your > 1997 Halloween haunt listings to > willymammoth@geocities.com or visit > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/2007! > > Happy Haunting! > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 09:44:33 1997 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 09:12:50 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: See You Later! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Lauren, Is this temp!! I hope so!! Get back soon, we can't afford to lose any bodies!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 10:02:59 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:42:28 -0700 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A Long Winded Hello Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com BUSH134@aol.com wrote: > > To David Schwend, > > May I ask what college you went to? I am a freshman highschooler, and I am > looking for colleges that will suit my main interest, special effects. I > will appreciate an answer very much. Thanks. > > Mike Hi Mike, You might try Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California. We have a friend that just graduated from there, and it seemed like there were specalities available for special effects stuff. As you can probably tell from the name, it focuses on art stuff in general (it is a private 4 year college). Julie and Dwayne The Crypt Keepin' 2 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 10:48:30 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:52:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Rocking Chair To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Speaking of record players, this one may sound wierd but GETTING EVEN (one of the later books) mentions that the sight of a large dead horseshoe crab spinning away on a turntable is a major freakout. Imagine a living room scene with a dead crab on the turntable. Sort of bizarre :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 12:12:18 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Hope To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Member list, Arkansas, web page...[banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, folks. Thanks to all those who got their info to me by the April 4 deadline. There must be a curse on me, because I'm having trouble with my dialup connection from home, where the lists are archived. I'm dropping all of you a quick line from the university. My sincere apologies go out to all natives of Arkansas for my insensitive comment about "Gomer, from Arkansas." While building the web pages for all 50 states, I noticed that there were no respondents from Arkansas (among other states) and chose it to pick on. I never meant to offend. (I'm still getting requests for copies from people who didn't participate in the list, though) So far, I'm leaning toward a hidden URL for any web based member registry. Seems that my ISP doesn't allow any private CGIs and all they have to offer is a form for email surveys (I'm using that). Maybe this is just a bad idea from the get-go. Keep talking, though; I'm watching for ideas. I'll probably just add the index page to my webpage and have it point to a dummy list, to give you all an idea of where I'm headed so far. Best regards to all. I haven't had time to keep up with this sudden surge in conversation, but it's great to see everyone chatting away. Looks like you've hit upon some great idea, Kathy! Stalwart, Greg in Vista From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 12:21:58 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:10:14 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I'm in a production now where we use a "professional" fog machine for one >scene. I am not totally convinced that this will work, any comments from the ghoul gallery. IMHO the water will freeze no matter what the temp of the water. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 http://www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 12:41:47 1997 To: Greg Hope From: William E Rompala Date: 7 Apr 97 15:24:11 EDT Subject: Re: Member list, Arkansas, web page...[banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >My sincere apologies go out to all natives of Arkansas for my insensitive >comment about "Gomer, from Arkansas." While building the web pages for all >50 states, I noticed that there were no respondents from Arkansas (among >other states) and chose it to pick on. I never meant to offend. Well, if the President of our Fine Country wouldn't take the time to fill out the full survey, then it's his own bad luck. ;-) -W From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:11:35 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:08:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Flaming Skulls - material option To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'd like to drop my two-cents' worth on the flaming skull idea. The well-used Disney approach to fire - thin cloth, a fan, and red lighting (well, orange-red) is interesting to watch and absolutely safe. You could mount a largish box-fan in the bottom of a tube, and cover the top with a metal mesh of some kind. Attach strips of torn cloth to the grid. Mount a high-intensity light source below the box fan or just above it (but don't block the air flow with the reflector.) Place the skull atop the grid in the center, with the cloth strips surrounding it. When the fan runs, the cloth flies upward like flame. You'll need to play with the color of the cloth and light source, and with the exact arrangement and weight of the cloth, but basically, this is the effect. It might also be interesting to illuminate the cloth with blacklight (from the front and above) alone, as the more vibrant fluorescent colors will really bring it to life. I realize this is a quick and raw idea. Anyone care to add to it? -Doug F. *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:13:33 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:08:29 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Rocking Chair -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> John P. Jeffries 4/6/97 5:15 pm >>> Farm equipment stores would be another place to look. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tie rods from the steering of old riding lawn mowers will get you what you need also! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:40:39 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:42:44 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Hey, A Few Questions.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >In a message dated 97-04-03 21:30:33 EST, you write: > ><< ) Does anyone have a sorce for low priced flash pots and filling >equipment > (cotten and powders) Your best bet is to contact Nathen at Theater F/X.. He can provide you with Flash Pots, that are safe to use and are not the homeade {He Billy Bob, Lookie here at this pipe bomb ah made..!" Kind Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:45:48 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:43:32 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Tad Peters wrote: > > ..I am not totally convinced that this will work, any comments from the ghoul gallery. Hey, that's me! >..the water will freeze no matter what the temp of the water. Well, eventually, yes it will. The design of this machine is such that the (near boiling) water contains enough heat to overwhelm about 20 lbs of dry ice and convert nearly all of it to vapor/fog. That's why it needs a 55 gal drum. It takes several gallons (about 20-30 gal. if I remember) of very hot water to vaporize the ice. If more dry ice is used, the heater needs a bit of time to recharge (i.e., re-heat the water). This system does produce excellent low lying thick fog, although it has quite an appetite for dry ice and electricty! foggily, Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:49:31 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:48:09 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com makeup@earthlink.net, Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:10:14 +0100: >I am not totally convinced that this will work, any comments from the ghoul >gallery. IMHO the water will freeze no matter what the temp of the water. Believe it or not, it _does_ work! We covered the stage with a billowing cloud of fog for four performances last weekend, and we have every intention of repeating it for the four shows next weekend! What surprised me was that this "professional" equipment (we rented it at $80/week from a theatre supply warehouse) was so incredibly crude, but effective. We're using 25 pounds of dry ice per show, and I'm the one who picks it up. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:49:39 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Hope To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Here's the web page Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay. Keep the comments coming, and thanks. I'll get the member lists out to those who requested them as soon as I can. Meanwhile, my first humble attempts can be found at http://www.csusm.edu/public_html/ghope/greghome.htm Yes, I know, it's a mouthful. I'd appreciate it if a few people could try out the email survey, just to make sure it's working properly. Shoot me your comments about the pages, the member registry, anything at all. Remember, the registry only accesses a dummy page with fictional info for now. I won't publish anything without some kind of majority opinion. Regards, Greg in Vista From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 13:49:44 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: How is it done? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > In the Haunted House at Disney they have pictures on the >walls with eyes that follow you as you go by. How is this >accomplished? What would it take to duplicate? Not only in >pictures but any other prop with eyes. Is the circuit for this >maybe already availabe somewhere. > > ...Gary Spencer's Gifts sold this effect. The idea is simple. Take a impression of someones face {Like if you were making a mask of them} Now, take and make a plastic mask of it. {You should have a replica of there face} Invert it {So that your looking into it, as if you were placeing it on your face} light it from behind and place into a black box {So the only thing lit, is the mask} Now it will seem to look at you as you walk by it. Same concept for the eye effect. Jay P.S I have often thought that the eyes, were just rotating around, but I have never once seen them out of sync, makeing me think that it is done how I discribed above. ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 14:16:18 1997 To: sao From: William E Rompala Date: 7 Apr 97 17:07:30 EDT Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I am not totally convinced that this will work, any comments from the ghoul >gallery. IMHO the water will freeze no matter what the temp of the water. Anyone try putting a quantity of salt into the water to raise the freezing point? We discussed this last year, and I proposed that it would work, but I've never tried it. -W William From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 14:23:06 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:23:41 -0700 From: DSparks@ligand.com (Doug Sparks) Subject: Re: [HAL] New Halloween Member To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well I for one am glad to be able to pass the mantle of new Dad. My son, Duncan, was born on Jan 4th and should be just old enough to participate in Halloween (somewhat limited) this year! By the way, sleep will come, give it 6 weeks or so :) Congrats W! Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [HAL] New Halloween Member Author: William E Rompala at Gateway Date: 4/4/97 1:32 PM The Newest member of the Halloween-l has entered the world: My daughter, Cassandra, was born on Thursday March 27th. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 14:27:53 1997 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 13:57:59 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flaming Skulls - material option Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug, You are so right about material and a Fan as one of Disney's props. Univeral has the tran tour, and you see this house burning and burning and burning but it never burns...well that is what they use. For the best look use a satin material or anyother material that has a little shine to it. It will work great. You can use white material and use colored lights it works just as well. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 14:28:00 1997 From: BABES@delphi.com Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: See You Later! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com hi, i was wondering if you could tell me ,,,how i go about getting off the halloween list? anne From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 14:54:13 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:53:04 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Member list, Arkansas, web page...[banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com William E Rompala wrote: > > >My sincere apologies go out to all natives of Arkansas for my insensitive > >comment about "Gomer, from Arkansas." While building the web pages for all > >50 states, I noticed that there were no respondents from Arkansas (among > >other states) and chose it to pick on. I never meant to offend. > > Well, if the President of our Fine Country wouldn't take the time to fill out > the full survey, then it's his own bad luck. > ;-) > > -W Hi, BILL! Are YOU the President? Maybe we should have voted for you and made Halloween a NATIONAL HOLIDAY. I'm in Arkansas but I'm not the President either, just your fiendly REDNECK RAPTOR from THE NATURAL STATE. Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 14:55:38 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: William E Rompala Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:44:41 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Anyone try putting a quantity of salt into the water to raise the freezing > point? Interesting idea. We haven't had a problem with it freezing over, since we use the fog for only one scene. But it could be useful for long-term fog generation. I was thinking that a "home" version of this device could simply be a large coffee can full of water mounted onto a hot plate, with some timed mechanism for dropping dry ice pellets into the can and a fan blowing over the whole setup. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 15:31:54 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:22:44 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:44 PM 4/7/97 EDT, you wrote: > >> Anyone try putting a quantity of salt into the water to raise the freezing >> point? > >Interesting idea. We haven't had a problem with it freezing over, >since we use the fog for only one scene. But it could be useful for >long-term fog generation. > >I was thinking that a "home" version of this device could simply be a >large coffee can full of water mounted onto a hot plate, with some >timed mechanism for dropping dry ice pellets into the can and a fan >blowing over the whole setup. > > "That Pesky" Andy Oakland > sao@mit.edu > http://mit.edu/sao/www/ > I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would continuously want to mess with dry ice. Im going to buy another one this year for about 600 that will have a timer of its own and can put out a continuous flow if needed.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 15:56:29 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:58:18 -0700 From: DSparks@ligand.com (Doug Sparks) Subject: Re[2]: Flaming Skulls - material option To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Safety aside (please no lectures ), you just can't match the realism of having the heat from the skull and the look of real flame IMHO. I agree this is a big concern from the 'accidents can happen' category, but many attractions use real flame, they just control the surroundings. The owner/operator has to decide if it's a risk that they are willing to take and make the necessary precautions. The balance has to be safety-consciousness vs realism. If the effect has to be far removed in order to insure safety, maybe a simulated effect is better worth the effort. Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand.com please keep flames (hehe) off the list, legitimate replies welcome ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Flaming Skulls - material option Author: Michael Marcrum at Gateway Date: 4/6/97 1:57 PM Doug, You are so right about material and a Fan as one of Disney's props. Univeral has the tran tour, and you see this house burning and burning and burning but it never burns...well that is what they use. For the best look use a satin material or anyother material that has a little shine to it. It will work great. You can use white material and use colored lights it works just as well. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 16:33:51 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:40:58 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: archival@li.com (kate carr/marc lougee) Subject: Re: Molds Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com embedded mess. >Hey does anybody know if you can buy the molds or copy's of the molds >from a company. A good, dependable technique would involve using silicone RTV rubber specifically for mold making/ casting of replica items... There are numerous brands on the market, tho I use only a few with regularity as I am familiar with the formulas and get very dependable results, regardless of temperature, moisture, pattern material, etc. One good place to get in touch with is Polytek Development Corp., Lebanon, NJ 908) 534-5990...They have a number of trial kits which are less expensive, and some of the kits will have the shipping pre-paid ( depending on the product). Lots of polyurethane molding materials, equipment and some excellent silicone RTV's. I suggest Silicone for the latex bat molds as silicone will release more easily with a release agent than a urethane, which tend to be adhesive to alot of materials when cured. Polytek also supplies an excellent molding and casting handbook for those interested in learning how to make RTV molds. Let me know if you have any questions.. Marc archival@l.i.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 17:06:02 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:02:39 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Molds Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com kate carr/marc lougee wrote: > > embedded mess. > > >Hey does anybody know if you can buy the molds or copy's of the molds > >from a company. > > A good, dependable technique would involve using silicone RTV rubber > specifically for mold making/ casting of replica items... > I've recently had a lot of success with urethane RTV. It's much cheaper than silicone, and easier to mix correctly. I got one with a 1:1 ratio. I bought it from Tap Plastics (In California) $130 for two gallons. (1 gal each of parts A and B) -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 18:33:11 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:29:19 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I was thinking that a "home" version of this device could simply be a >large coffee can full of water mounted onto a hot plate, with some >timed mechanism for dropping dry ice pellets into the can and a fan >blowing over the whole setup. Once when I needed to simulate smoke coming from offstage for a lightning strike, I used an electric kettle and just poured in a few pieces of pelleted dry ice; the spout of the kettle forced the "smoke" straight up and out -- since I didn't put a lot of dry ice in at once I didn't have to worry about cooling the water... Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 18:43:06 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:33:10 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-06 16:54:10 EDT, you write: > > << At the San Diego Campus Life "Scream in the Dark" Haunted Houses, we > used old monster movies as entertainment for the crowds waiting in line. > Occasionally, we would turn the sound off and a very creative > individual, Craig McNair Wilson, would provide all the voices and sound > effects i >> > ------------------------------------------ > Why is using movies in this way legal > but using music is a copyright infringement. > Or is video taped movies NOT legal to use? > > jerry We rented the movies from a rental house and paid the fee for a public showing. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 18:43:55 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, > this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would > continuously want to mess with dry ice. > Well, Iowa, because that S$#@ just ain't FOG. Mist, maybe, smoke, for sure, but it *is NOT* low-lying, rolling, white, cemetary ground-fog! AND, it stinks! It's great for "disco smoke", for firing lasers through, and very useful for scenes where you want an entire room temple, or whatever filled with a cloud. But for some things, there just is no substitute for dry ice fog. I know you can chill the glycerol or glycol fog, and it hugs the ground better. But to me, it still doesn't look right, it warms up and floats away instead of evaporating, and it STILL smells. If you've ever over-fogged a stage and had half the audience coughing and all of them madly fanning with their programs, you would start to disbelieve the manufacturers' claims that it won't irritate people. Hell, ask the actors stumbling around int it! Yep, just my opinion... Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 19:07:31 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:01:55 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:40 PM 4/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >> I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, >> this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would >> continuously want to mess with dry ice. >> > >Well, Iowa, because that S$#@ just ain't FOG. Mist, maybe, smoke, >for sure, but it *is NOT* low-lying, rolling, white, cemetary >ground-fog! AND, it stinks! It's great for "disco smoke", for >firing lasers through, and very useful for scenes where you want >an entire room temple, or whatever filled with a cloud. But for >some things, there just is no substitute for dry ice fog. > >I know you can chill the glycerol or glycol fog, and it hugs the >ground better. But to me, it still doesn't look right, it warms >up and floats away instead of evaporating, and it STILL smells. >If you've ever over-fogged a stage and had half the audience >coughing and all of them madly fanning with their programs, you >would start to disbelieve the manufacturers' claims that it >won't irritate people. Hell, ask the actors stumbling around >int it! > >Yep, just my opinion... > >Dave > well im totally out in the open and I know that no dry ice could do the effects that I do, I have tried it, the area is way to large and it would cost way to much to do it. My fog for the most part stayed along the ground, we used pvc pipe to control where we wanted it to go with small holes in it.. so it would let out little streams all over.. :) I loved it.. :) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 20:29:18 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:25:15 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-07 17:18:51 EDT, you write: << I am not totally convinced that this will work, any comments from the ghoul >gallery. IMHO the water will freeze no matter what the temp of the water. Anyone try putting a quantity of salt into the water to raise the freezing point? We discussed this last year, and I proposed that it would work, but I've never tried it. -W William >> ------------------------------------------------------ Try using a "cup of water" heater. This is a device that is submerged in and will boil the water. The constant heat from the "heater" will keep the water from freezing. I do NOT suggest that this is a good way to make fog. Dry ice fog is too expensive and high maintenance for the amount of fog you get out of it! Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 22:08:52 1997 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:13:51 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > >I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, >this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would >continuously want to mess with dry ice. Im going to buy another one this >year for about 600 that will have a timer of its own and can put out a >continuous flow if needed.. Well, if you wan't to have fog that will stay low to the ground. Dry-Ice is the cheepest way to go in most cases. 1.Dry-Ice.. Just heat it up and your done. *Needs lots of Dry Ice *Could be messy if spilled Okay... Counter Point. 1.Fog machine..Turn it on, produce fog. *Doesnt produce low fog unless A. You chill fog with Dry ice, messy and pain in ass to set up. B. Buy a Fog chiller, Coslty, used elctic, or LN2 {Also Costly} So, for me, if you want fog that just is in the air, A Fog Machine is the way to go, but if you need a low fog effect, for a day or two, Dry ice is cheeper and works good. jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 22:14:54 1997 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:19:48 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Says. >If you've ever over-fogged a stage and had half the audience >coughing and all of them madly fanning with their programs, you >would start to disbelieve the manufacturers' claims that it >won't irritate people. Hell, ask the actors stumbling around >int it! Yep.. He hee.. Little story for those who havn't heard yet {As the list says togther, "Oh god, not the fog in the aud story} Anyways, we had a fog mechain, and the fog was chilled with Dry Ice. It started at the back of the stage and flowed to the front. Okay, so I am up in the booth, the stage is lit and it's rehearsal on Saterday. Also the Orchard Park Trade Show is in the GYM with over 1000 people at it. {Plus it is only 30 outside} Okay, me over intercom "Looks good, more fog. Oh it looks great. MORE MORE" Now, the fun part. I forget that as the fog warms, it rises up.. Well, I was looking at the stage, not in the Audince.. Were quite a bit of fog was building up.. So much in fact that someone outside in the hallway see it, and pull's the alarm. All 1000 people in the gym have to go outside, all actors and techs. Fire company pulls up, opens back to aud, and see the fog. The fireman pull out there ax's and hose's and start the water running as we are all yelling togther "STOP WAIT.. IT ISN'T REAL SMOKE!" Ahh, yes. The people at the school still talk about it. {P.S I am not allowed to use a fogger at that high school unless I have someone else {A teacher} with me at all times. Ah, those were the fun days I tell ya!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 22:58:24 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 01:26:54 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog---banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com O.k. We all know there are a bazillion ways to simulate fog, right? Dry Ice works good for some, but not all. Foggers work great for some, but not all. Hence we share ideas on what we have done...The backbone of Halloween-l right? Right. K, here is (yet another) explanation on some ideas....Using a fog machine. Many have discussed piping fog, blowing fog, and numerous other ways to chill it for the effect. On the basis of "piping" fog, here is something that works O.K. (for us), and great for others....And makes use of the chill/fog idea. (Short version) Fog "chilled" hangs low. The moisture and cooling both have effects on the fluid once it leaves the heating element. Also, different quality fluids produce different "thickness/hang-time". So for the sake of argument, call this brand X fluid. Ran through a Brand Y fogger. Use that good 'ol cheap black "drainage" piping and bury it 3/4 down...Leave the upper portion open to the surface. We used 2 9v muffin fans placed 1/3 and 2/3 down the 8' pipe to assist in moving the fog. (Hey, they were available, and cheap). Any who, the open end was placed near the little 'ol fogger and turned on...It took a moment, but before long, the fog was "oozing" from the ground. The cool moist ground really assisted to chill it down. I suppose (in theory) longer pipe can be used, but more assistance from fans would be needed. Sure the little tykes ate the 9v batteries every night, but K-mart had them on sale. :) This was the "boundary" to the Pet Cemetery out back a few years back. Moral of this story? Cool-moist fog= hangs low till warm. Quick dissipating fog does not leave that "mist". Use what works, and hope there is no breeze that night:) Off the soapbox now. ;D John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 23:06:20 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:04:36 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com A few days ago, (okay a week, but who's counting) I posted this message. I didn't get any response, so I thought before we can the whole idea of a weekly get-together, I'd toss it back out. Please post your thoughts or I'm afraid that at the speed of the MIRC at this time of Sat. nite, this chat will be abandoned. Thanks. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Granted, we've only been meeting for two weeks now, but I have found that our MIRC time of day, or day of week has us stopped before we start. I know that quite a number of you were trying to talk last Saturday from 3 pm tp 10 pm PST, but many if not most wound up leaving out of frustration to the crawl that the socket was giving us by 8. I think it would be of interest to everyone on the list if anyone had any ideas that would clear this lag time down to a reasonable wait. I found myself three topics away from the response by the time I recieved one. Please pipe up. If we have to move the day or the time, or even the location, I'm all for it. Thanks. Wil XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 23:20:26 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:20:30 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:04 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >A few days ago, (okay a week, but who's counting) I posted this message. >I didn't get any response, so I thought before we can the whole idea of >a weekly get-together, I'd toss it back out. Please post your thoughts >or I'm afraid that at the speed of the MIRC at this time of Sat. nite, >this chat will be abandoned. Thanks. OK.. so what is the deal, your trying to set up a chat session but the server is too slow or what?????????? I can set up a chat area on my web page.. how does that sound???? Ok From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 23:38:29 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 02:07:42 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: "Who's in there?!?! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com "Working in the lab late one night....." Anyone remember how people were so fearful of being buried alive that they had bells constructed to the coffin so that if you "awoke", you could ring the bell for the caretaker to dig you out? (This was a big fear from the 16-1800's???) On that thought, imaging yourself walking or standing next to a coffin (with a bell) on the stand. NO cords, no wires, no ropes out from the casket, and the coffin is CHAINED shut...As you stand talking to your friends, you hear the faint sound of a bell. Shocked, you turn to the coffin and examine it. "It's chained shut" you say to your friends... "No one could stay in there all night" you try to convince yourself. But yet, after a moment, it rings again... "It's the wind" you hear people explain. But after a few tense moments you see the rope being tugged from INSIDE the coffin...As the bell rings again. And yet you look for cords or an "operator" but yet there is no one around...You listen close and can hear very faint scratching...As you listen, it stops....Then, after a moment, is begins once again, and you can even hear a faint muffled voice, wanting out...As you get close to let the person out, you wonder "why" it's chained shut.......And fail to look behind you (:= (:= Sound cool? I have more...Muahahahhaaaaaaaa........ John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 7 23:48:22 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:50:41 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog---banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay, now you have my attention. John P. Jeffries wrote: > Use that good 'ol cheap black "drainage" piping and bury it 3/4 >down...Leave the upper portion open to the surface. We used 2 9v >muffin fans placed 1/3 and 2/3 down the 8' pipe to assist in moving the >fog. (Hey, they were available, and cheap). What on EARTH is a "muffin fan"? >Any who, the open end was placed near the >little 'ol fogger and turned on...It took a moment, but before long, >the fog was "oozing" from the ground. > John What do you mean, "the open end was placed NEAR the fogger".... Does that mean the pipe wasn't actually attached? If not, why not? Also, why the fans? I purchased the FOG HOG ($250.00) and was told that to pump it through pipe, it wouldn't need any help. Does anyone know much about this? Obviously I haven't used the thing yet, and don't intend to untill I pick all your brains out on the subjet. I would rather do it right once than creatively wrong sixteen times. After all, if the ghouls on this list don't know the low down and skinney on using fog, no one does. Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 00:07:16 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 00:04:41 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:20 PM 4/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:04 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >>A few days ago, (okay a week, but who's counting) I posted this message. >>I didn't get any response, so I thought before we can the whole idea of >>a weekly get-together, I'd toss it back out. Please post your thoughts >>or I'm afraid that at the speed of the MIRC at this time of Sat. nite, >>this chat will be abandoned. Thanks. > >OK.. so what is the deal, your trying to set up a chat session but the >server is too slow or what?????????? I can set up a chat area on my web >page.. how does that sound???? > >Ok > Ok I installed the chat server into my website.. just click on the Kustom Scares Chatzone, it will take a few minutes to load but once it does just log yourself in and we can chat in there, and you can float the chat room and still be cruising the web while your chatting.. :) let me know what you think.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 00:09:16 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 02:39:38 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog---banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry 'bout that...Been a long day :) >>muffin fans placed 1/3 and 2/3 down the 8' pipe to assist in moving the > >What on EARTH is a "muffin fan"? Slang name of a small "computer" fan. Normally runs on DC power. These were 1.5" fans. Just enough to assist the fog. Many will function fine on a 9v battery. Larger fans require 110v. >>Any who, the open end was placed near the >>little 'ol fogger and turned on...It took a moment, but before long, >the fog was "oozing" from the ground. > >What do you mean, "the open end was placed NEAR the fogger".... Does >that mean the pipe wasn't actually attached? If not, why not? Also, why >the fans? I purchased the FOG HOG ($250.00) and was told that to pump it >through pipe, it wouldn't need any help. Does anyone know much about >this? Obviously I haven't used the thing yet, and don't intend to untill >I pick all your brains out on the subjet. I would rather do it right >once than creatively wrong sixteen times. After all, if the ghouls on >this list don't know the low down and skinney on using fog, no one does. (Near)= In our case it was mounted just off (1.5") the surface of the machine. A bracket was pop-riveted onto the fogger housing. The piping was then held in place by slipping it over the "U" shaped bracket. Placing the plastic piping on the housing would risk melting it. As fog is "chilled" or forced into the confines of a pipe, you should use a fan to keep it from "billowing" back out, and keep it moving. Depending on the piping, length, and angle you use. For our needs, fans were needed. Home-made chiller ideas are in the archives of the list. I think it was Fiber-Optic that gave a real good description on a home-made chiller box. Tad from A. Harlequin Costumes also gave a description on a good working chiller. Got questions? ask away. Many have tinkered with this idea. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 04:30:33 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 06:29:15 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:39 AM 4/8/97 -0500, John wrote: >(Near)= In our case it was mounted just off (1.5") the surface of the >machine. A bracket was pop-riveted onto the fogger housing. The piping was >then held in place by slipping it over the "U" shaped bracket. Placing the >plastic piping on the housing would risk melting it. John is right about mounting "near" the nozzle. You'll also get better fog this way because the fog sucks in a little air as it goes in to the tube. As an aside... I use dust collector tubing for wood working for my piping, it's smoother on the inside than most flexible drain pipe and there is also a good selection of L's, T's, Y's and gate valves for control. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 05:14:21 1997 From: "Jim Baggett" To: Subject: Re: "Who's in there?!?! Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:05:14 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oh come on John don't leave us hangin! But then again......hangin, hmmmmm. Charmaine ---------- > From: John P. Jeffries > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Subject: "Who's in there?!?! > Date: Tuesday, April 08, 1997 3:07 AM > > "Working in the lab late one night....." > > Anyone remember how people were so fearful of being buried alive that they > had bells constructed to the coffin so that if you "awoke", you could ring > the bell for the caretaker to dig you out? (This was a big fear from the > 16-1800's???) > > On that thought, imaging yourself walking or standing next to a coffin (with > a bell) on the stand. NO cords, no wires, no ropes out from the casket, and > the coffin is CHAINED shut...As you stand talking to your friends, you hear > the faint sound of a bell. Shocked, you turn to the coffin and examine it. > "It's chained shut" you say to your friends... "No one could stay in there > all night" you try to convince yourself. But yet, after a moment, it rings > again... "It's the wind" you hear people explain. But after a few tense > moments you see the rope being tugged from INSIDE the coffin...As the bell > rings again. And yet you look for cords or an "operator" but yet there is no > one around...You listen close and can hear very faint scratching...As you > listen, it stops....Then, after a moment, is begins once again, and you can > even hear a faint muffled voice, wanting out...As you get close to let the > person out, you wonder "why" it's chained shut.......And fail to look behind > you (:= (:= > > Sound cool? I have more...Muahahahhaaaaaaaa........ > > John > ********************************* > * Mr.Scary Productions * > * http://www.mrscary.com * > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > * 1-812-824-8935 * > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 07:03:21 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 06:38:38 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jay, Sometimes people just don't know when to have a good laugh!!! As for the teacher...put half a worm in the apple... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 07:06:30 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:01:06 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Iowa Chapman , Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:22:44 -0700: >I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, >this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would >continuously want to mess with dry ice. Well, because we wanted a thick, dense, ground-hugging, roiling fog for the scene. That's why. Yes, it's more expensive to vaporize twenty-five pounds of dry ice per show than it is to burn fog juice, but it gives us the effect we wanted. An actor in the show was taking about the other time he'd used dry ice fog...He was playing Dracula! Before he opened the doors to his castle, (exterior scene) they filled the castle set interior with dry ice fog. Then when he opened the doors, huge volumes of dense white fog spilled out. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 07:06:48 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 06:45:48 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, Maybe a time during the week. Around early evening on the west coast and evening on the east coast. I am on a chat group and that is a really good time, and very little traffic. Kathy the new kid on the crpyt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 07:33:41 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 07:14:57 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Who's in there?!?! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, I really like this idea...tell me more. Last year we had a lady dressed as one of the undead in the coffin. We propped it up in the shadows and didn't do any special lighting or anything. So people felt it was just there as a prop. When people got right next to it, the lady in it popped up with a flashlight under her chin so she looked really spooky and just said HI!! that had more people screaming!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 11:25:43 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 11:14:10 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC / Using Copywrited Films Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2B8D71FD30BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't see my reply post so this is a resend. Ignor if you already have it. Dave. --------------2B8D71FD30BE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3349A056.4CCD@mail01.sce.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:33:10 -0700 From: david c schwend Reply-To: schwendc@mail01.sce.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... References: <970407034442_-1838110675@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-06 16:54:10 EDT, you write: > > << At the San Diego Campus Life "Scream in the Dark" Haunted Houses, we > used old monster movies as entertainment for the crowds waiting in line. > Occasionally, we would turn the sound off and a very creative > individual, Craig McNair Wilson, would provide all the voices and sound > effects i >> > ------------------------------------------ > Why is using movies in this way legal > but using music is a copyright infringement. > Or is video taped movies NOT legal to use? > > jerry We rented the movies from a rental house and paid the fee for a public showing. --------------2B8D71FD30BE-- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 11:46:26 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 14:44:58 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: FYI - I.D.E.A. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi all! There's an animated discussion taking place at haunted america's chat site about a haunt association. A lot of what is being said may affect everyone posting here! Example: >Comments >...I agree with everyone here. My Haunted Attraction has been in >operation for 3 yrs now. I have invested more than $30,000.00 in saftey >equipment. Meanwhile the guy up the road from me has black plastic and >flood lights on top of hay and no inspections. I have 5 building >inspections and then my final inspection in order to get my CO. .... ..and the last entry (as of 2:30pm): >Re: Haunted Attraction Association >Date: 07 Apr 1997 >Time: 02:25:13 >Comments >Ken, The International Dark Entertainment Assoc. has already begun. >Look for a page on Haunted America soon. We are asking what people want >from an assoc. and how they are willing to help. >I.D.E.A. leonard.pickel@MCI2000.com here's the chat room/archive address: http://www.hauntedamerica.com/talk2me/index.htm thought you all would be interested... Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 12:05:56 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:10:10 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog---banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > Home-made chiller ideas are in the archives of the list. I think it was > Fiber-Optic that gave a real good description on a home-made chiller box. > Tad from A. Harlequin Costumes also gave a description on a good working > chiller. Got questions? ask away. Many have tinkered with this idea. > > John I am currently in the process of putting together a chiller box, and am planning on making it a contained unit that stores the fogger, the ice chest and piping all inside, with outlets for the fog to come out of two places and each outlet has its own volume control. If I can plan on using a fan for sure, I'll figure this into the design of the box to house one of fairly strong proportions. In fact, I think I am going to hook up everything and test it. I am working with the DJ Fog Hog. Any input? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 12:07:34 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:03:27 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Hauntrepreneur - in the public domain? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Figure this one out..... I picked this up from the DarkWorld website who used this term quite frequently... *Hauntrepreneur was founded by The Elm Street Hauntrepreneurs, it has become the industry's standard discription for the people who own an operate haunted attractions worldwide, we thank them as fellow hauntrepreneurs for such a great name. Its at the bottom of this page: http://home.earthlink.net/~darkworld/history.HTML So, I guess its in the public domain judging from this item...hmmm... Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 12:11:18 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:16:30 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > > At 02:39 AM 4/8/97 -0500, John wrote: > > >(Near)= In our case it was mounted just off (1.5") the surface of the > >machine. A bracket was pop-riveted onto the fogger housing. The piping was > >then held in place by slipping it over the "U" shaped bracket. Placing the > >plastic piping on the housing would risk melting it. > > John is right about mounting "near" the nozzle. You'll also get better fog > this way because the fog sucks in a little air as it goes in to the tube. I wonder if anyone has used a hair dryer set on air-only setting for forcing the fog through the fifteen feet of 3/4" PVC pipe it is about to go through? Also, can the input of the fan be set up right at the output of the fogger to catch the fresh fog and force it all through? Or is it better to suck the fog from the other end of the pipe? It seems like doing that would deter the fog from coming out the escape hole drilled along the length of the PVC. X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 12:25:18 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:27:13 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Iowa Chapman wrote: > > Ok I installed the chat server into my website.. just click on the Kustom > Scares Chatzone, it will take a few minutes to load but once it does just > log yourself in and we can chat in there, and you can float the chat room > and still be cruising the web while your chatting.. :) let me know what > you think.. Okay gang. Does anyone else have any input on this? I am interested in whether this is real-time chat like MIRC, or if it is that jerky, re-load, re-load type of chat. If it is like MIRC, then I am all for this instead of where we've been. Also, We've only heard from Kathy on what day of the week. Let's hear from others on this. For me, Saturday is cool, but I could actually change to anytime fairly easy. Just not Fridays. I think too many folks are out to dinner and such that night. What do you say? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 12:34:29 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 14:58:35 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I wonder if anyone has used a hair dryer set on air-only setting for >forcing the fog through the fifteen feet of 3/4" PVC pipe it is about to >go through? Wil, Before you get too involved and purchase tons of 3/4" pvc pipe, keep in mind that you want the fog to have volume. Forcing it down a 3/4" pipe will not give you the results you would like. As Denny mentioned, dust-collection pipe (tubing) is cheap (even dryer venting). Use something in the neighborhood of 3" or 4" stuff. Getting small (3/4") would not work as well. One way I made a chiller-box as to make a small "maze" in the box for the fog to follow (not tubing or piping).It was not complex enough to trap the fog, but just enough wandering to give it time to chill down. And a real good fan can be picked up for the price of a hair dryer, far more quiet as well. Hope this helps. John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 17:14:08 1997 From: Davis_Karen To: "'halloween-l'" Subject: making a casket..was Making new look old...(furniture) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:56:43 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com wil, Therefore I am planning on making a full-blown casket like you'd buy for your Aunt Elma, with ruffled lining and a high-lustre finish.(In fact, this may sound freaked, but if I do it right, I may request to be buried in the thing--That is SICK, isn't it! ...actually, not as sick as you might think...back a while ago (70's maybe) pine box coffins were being marketed as a way to cut funeral costs...the marketing 'strategy' was 'buy it now and use it as a storage chest until you REALLY need it'...and i am not making this up... karen From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 17:44:38 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:07:42 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hauntrepreneur - in the public domain? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:03 PM 4/8/97 +0000, you wrote: >*Hauntrepreneur was founded by The Elm Street Hauntrepreneurs, it has >become the industry's standard discription for the people who own an >operate haunted attractions worldwide, we thank them as fellow >hauntrepreneurs for such a great name. > >Its at the bottom of this page: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~darkworld/history.HTML > >So, I guess its in the public domain judging from this item...hmmm... >Cliff > Hey Cliff, Or... it sounds like they may be poking Elm Street with a stick!? Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 17:50:59 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:53:14 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 18:02:24 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:00:22 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: making a casket..was Making new look old...(furniture) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Davis_Karen wrote: > ...actually, not as sick as you might think...back a while ago (70's > maybe) pine box coffins were being marketed as a way to cut funeral > costs...the marketing 'strategy' was 'buy it now and use it as a > storage chest until you REALLY need it'...and i am not making this > up... > karen It's hard to think like economizing on one's own funeral arrangements. However, I have known people like this. I knew one couple that had a son that was down-syn or something, and when he got to be like 38 he died. The parents fought with local authorities to bury him in a _plastic bag_ in their back yard in order to save money! Good GAWD! I'M not even THAT sick. At least not before Halloween. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 18:15:50 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:18:35 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: MIRC LOCATION / TIME / DAY Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > >Okay gang. Does anyone else have any input on this? I am interested in >whether this is real-time chat like MIRC, or if it is that jerky, >re-load, re-load type of chat. If it is like MIRC, then I am all for >this instead of where we've been. Also, We've only heard from Kathy on >what day of the week. Let's hear from others on this. For me, Saturday >is cool, but I could actually change to anytime fairly easy. Just not >Fridays. I think too many folks are out to dinner and such that night. >What do you say? >-- >X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X > Rest in Peace > Death Lord >http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm >X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Ok it does have to load to first get in.. but after that it is basically like IRC, and you can put it on float and still browse.. so once it is loaded it is fine.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 18:19:13 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:35:43 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC / Using Copywrited Films Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c schwend wrote: > > I didn't see my reply post so this is a resend. Ignor if you already > have it. Dave. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC and the burned out brain cells... > Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:33:10 -0700 > From: david c schwend > To: halloween-l@netcom.com > References: <970407034442_-1838110675@emout17.mail.aol.com> > > Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 97-04-06 16:54:10 EDT, you write: > > > > << At the San Diego Campus Life "Scream in the Dark" Haunted Houses, we > > used old monster movies as entertainment for the crowds waiting in line. > > Occasionally, we would turn the sound off and a very creative > > individual, Craig McNair Wilson, would provide all the voices and sound > > effects i >> > > ------------------------------------------ > > Why is using movies in this way legal > > but using music is a copyright infringement. > > Or is video taped movies NOT legal to use? > > > > jerry > > We rented the movies from a rental house and paid the fee for a public > showing. Oh, boy! Here we go again, as a former U.S President used to say. Just a quick note on the subject: DON'T SHOW GODZILLA MOVIES! If you really want to use the TOHO characters, give me a zap back and I'll tell you what happened back East last year. Don't worry! It didn't mess over anyone's Halloweening but this could be applicable to any public (or private) showings of movies. Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 18:19:36 1997 From: ZTBJAZZ@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:05:00 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I wondering if this will work in a HH: My haunted house as a crawl through maze in the dark, i am wondering if it would be scary to have the maze at some point turn into a caged maze. Like have the walls like a fence. So the people going through the cage see some kind of scene or are in the middle of mayhem. I am not sure if that will work. does anyone have ideas on some kind of alien stuff? Zach From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 18:51:21 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:33:25 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Snip) >> And a real good fan can be picked up for the price of a hair dryer, far more >> quiet as well. > >Could you elaborate? Do you know of a fan that would pipe in-line? > Drop by a Radio Shack. Take a look at the "computer fans" section. > >How would you route dryer vent down a walkway, and outlet the thing to >pour fog across the walk in a 8 or 10 foot long area? Use the tubing to "guide" the fog. Out from boxes or whatever. >Would I just cut small holes in the sides of it between the spring coils? Yup, now ya got the idea. >And would I attach the fan before or after the cooler? Depinging on the length of the pipe and size of the cooler. Experiment with it. >Finally, would I even need a fan with this size fogger? It depends on the length of pipe, and size of the cooler. A fan cound never hurt. As for the "maze" in the cooler. I used plexi glass scraps that went from the bottom of the cooler to the top. I arranged it so water could drain out. Any non-water absorbing material will work. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 19:27:31 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:07:43 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:16 PM 4/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >> John is right about mounting "near" the nozzle. You'll also get better fog >> this way because the fog sucks in a little air as it goes in to the tube. > >I wonder if anyone has used a hair dryer set on air-only setting for >forcing the fog through the fifteen feet of 3/4" PVC pipe it is about to >go through? I wouldn't use an air over blower with a brushed motor (hair dryer in this case). I don't think those brushes will like being coated with glycol. >Also, can the input of the fan be set up right at the output >of the fogger to catch the fresh fog and force it all through? Or is it >better to suck the fog from the other end of the pipe? It's better to push the fog than pull it, but either will work. Most systems I've seen have the fan a couple of feet from the fogger in the chiller box or in the tubing as a booster. 3/4 inch PVC is pretty small, you're going to get a lot of fog fluid collecting in the tube. Try to go with tubing that's 3 or 4 inches or more in diameter if you can. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 19:27:33 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:41:57 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > One way I made a chiller-box as to make a small "maze" in the box for the > fog to follow (not tubing or piping).It was not complex enough to trap the > fog, but just enough wandering to give it time to chill down. Could you tell me how you did this? Did you duct tape the dryer hose to the side of the cooler, or some other way? Also, what did you use for the maze? > And a real good fan can be picked up for the price of a hair dryer, far more > quiet as well. Could you elaborate? Do you know of a fan that would pipe in-line? > > Hope this helps. > > John. How would you route dryer vent down a walkway, and outlet the thing to pour fog across the walk in a 8 or 10 foot long area? Would I just cut small holes in the sides of it between the spring coils? And would I attach the fan before or after the cooler? Finally, would I even need a fan with this size fogger? Thanks for all the great info! Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 19:27:41 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:49:35 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: KATHY"S THEATER MAGIC / Using Copywrited Films Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > ------------------------------------------ > > Why is using movies in this way legal > > but using music is a copyright infringement. > > Or is video taped movies NOT legal to use? > > > > jerry > > We rented the movies from a rental house and paid the fee for a public > showing. Is this for real? I was a disc jockey for years and also did portable dances like many other jocks. We NEVER worried about using Joan Jett's music, or anyone else's without paying royalties. Even though we might make two or three hundred dollars in a three or four hours, we didn't have to mess with that stuff because it was too small of potatoes for anyone to mess with. In fact, the only people I think would ever give someone a hard time for something so trivial would be Disney. They are ferocious in protecting their copyrights and usage rights. But as far as showing an old black and white movie from 1955 on some garage door in Hobokin, or inside some little haunt in San Rafeal....what moron in his right mind would send out $500.00 per-hour-each lawyers to sue you to "cease and decist" or try to get retribution from you? I may be very nieve over this whole thing, but wow, c'mon. Look in every night club in every turn-out on every road in every county in every state in the U.S., and you'll find some three piece band ripping off everyone from Charlie Daniels to George Strait and the Eagles. This is illegal. In fact, its been illegal for many years in the entire nation. However, I personally never have heard of anyone getting pinched for doing it yet. I am only speaking from personal observation, so this could be highly skewed, but I think its pretty safe to say that even though Michael Jackson lives 30 minutes from me, I could rerun Thriller all night long every Halloween night for fifteen years and never hear from his lawyers about it. (Or every night in a proffessional haunt for that matter.) I think that the way pretty much anyone would look at this in the real world is, that the buying public payed their good money for the video tape and have a right to watch it, or play for others to watch or hear. Okay, now that I've said my piece, I lie here rotting in wait for the certain rebuttals. :~0 Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 19:37:19 1997 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Lucien Desar To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Smelly laytex Masks?!? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My fiancee got a mask from ArchieMcphee today , and while it is not a professional laytex mask or even that it fits her it could still be used as some prop during the great holiday. The problem is that the latex mask smells really really bad, the same smell as old rubber bands that have been wet for several days. Almost like the smell of the rubber-bands that are used to keep newspapers together when delivered. Is there some technique or solvent that could get rid of the smell ? Any help would be gravely appreciated .... LD From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 8 20:19:10 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:14:40 -0700 Subject: caged maze To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Zach, that sounds like an interesting idea. I don't like the crawl through, but I like the idea of turning it into a vast caged area. Arranbge the path so that things are on both sides of the path. Use mirrors on the walls so that it seems to be a much larger area. Low light or a flickering torch effect in some areas will help. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 04:13:54 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 06:07:05 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Smelly laytex Masks?!? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:35 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: > > My fiancee got a mask from ArchieMcphee today , and >while it is not a professional laytex mask or even that it fits her it >could still be used as some prop during the great holiday. The problem >is that the latex mask smells really really bad, the same smell as old >rubber bands that have been wet for several days. Almost like the smell >of the rubber-bands that are used to keep newspapers together when >delivered. Is there some technique or solvent that could get rid of the >smell ? Fresh latex smells pretty bad but the odor will diminish as it airs out, in a week or two it'll smell like fresh rubber bands or kid's party balloons. Old latex or latex that's been stored in damp areas also smells bad... it just gets worse, there's not much you can do about an old mask starting to rot other than using a clear latex sealer (Never automotive stuff like Armor All) to slow it down a little. Many masks are being made from cheap latex these days that have a lot of extenders added to them and contain almost no antioxidants, their shelf life is very short. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 04:56:50 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 06:51:28 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: MIRC time/day Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Pretty much any time except l0 PM-8 AM (Thursday-Sunday) when I work THE NIGHT SHIFT (lucky me!) Wednesday is the regular 9-5 routine (so far). I guess evenings would be fine. BTW, our land lines are only pulling l9,200bps (according to the server in Little Rock). Foresee any problems with the new set-up? Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 05:18:51 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 07:18:28 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ZTBJAZZ@aol.com wrote: > > I wondering if this will work in a HH: > My haunted house as a crawl through maze in the dark, i am wondering > if it would be scary to have the maze at some point turn into a caged maze. > Like have the walls like a fence. So the people going through the cage see > some kind of scene or are in the middle of mayhem. I am not sure if that > will work. does anyone have ideas on some kind of alien stuff? > > Zach How sturdy are your maze walls and how large will the groups of guests be? If they really panic, you could have a situation on your hands. It is probably best where they don't have to go back the way they came. Aliens can probably be done with any weird masks you can find and simple costumes from robes to formfitting outfits (tights, bodysuits). Add matching "hands" or make tentacles, space-y belts, rayguns, medallions,etc. Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 05:48:55 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:44:39 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > ...I like the idea of turning it into a vast caged area. > Arrange the path so that things are on both sides of the path.... An idea that I saw at the show was a large chain-link maze setup as a jailyard. In the center was a 'guard tower' that hid 2-4 actors that could leap into the action as 'escaped prisoners' to stir things up. The intent was to get the guests running for the exit - wherever that may be! There were lots of turnarounds and circular paths. It looked pretty cool. Im thinking it may be more interesting if it were an asylum 'exercise area' and the inmates (complete with strait jackets, etc) were jumping out - maybe less 'dangerous' but more 'crazy'? I wonder how expensive this might be... it appears it would be more weather-friendly and (potentially) sturdier than a wood construction. hmmmm..... Its definitely a different idea for scares! Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 05:54:57 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:24:43 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:05 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >I wondering if this will work in a HH: > My haunted house as a crawl through maze in the dark, i am wondering >if it would be scary to have the maze at some point turn into a caged maze. > Like have the walls like a fence. (Snip) Sounds like an interesting idea. I like Harry's idea on mirrors and such as well. But a word of advice...No crawling. People will be placing their hands and knees on the decking, risk of cuts, pokes, scratches and so-forth. It's not worth the bad rap it could get. But, -IF- you decide to have a crawl way, make a "detour" to walk around it, and warn people there is a crawl way inside, but it can be by-passed if they wish. You will find that people with bad knees, backs, or limbs in a cast, that would rather walk, than risk being carried out by someone:) And the choice shows that you care and are professional about it. Hope this helps. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 07:46:09 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 07:52:22 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: MIRC UPDATE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Do far on the Chat Night / Place thread; XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX I'm open to any weeknight after 6:00pm PDT -- Bob Andrews XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Saturdays are pretty busy for us--I've really wanted to participate, but haven't been around (out being ghoulish, ya know). Weekdays are fine, daytime or evening (I know some folks have said they only have access at work) or maybe Sunday evenings--before the X-files, of course ;^} Debbie XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Pretty much any time except l0 PM-8 AM (Thursday-Sunday) when I work THE NIGHT SHIFT (lucky me!) Wednesday is the regular 9-5 routine (so far). I guess evenings would be fine. BTW, our land lines are only pulling l9,200bps (according to the server in Little Rock). Foresee any problems with the new set-up? Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (Reply to WHERE-Iowa writes for us to use his web site and replys here as to how it works) Ok it does have to load to first get in.. but after that it is basically like IRC, and you can put it on float and still browse.. so once it is loaded it is fine.. Iowa Chapman XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX We need to get more feedback on this folks. This is much like a vote where yours actually makes a difference. May I offer that we could considered this CHAT LINE that Cliff sent the URL to yesterday for? (http://www.hauntedamerica.com/talk2me/index.htm) It is run off of Haunted America's Home page. THis seems to be active already, and perhaps we may find more knowlege to gleen from more bodies. However, I'm perfectly open to going with a separate location entirely if that's the consensus. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 08:48:39 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:40:19 -0400 From: "J. Bentley" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: MIRC UPDATE Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > We need to get more feedback on this folks. This is much like a vote > where yours actually makes a difference. May I offer that we could > considered this CHAT LINE that Cliff sent the URL to yesterday for? > (http://www.hauntedamerica.com/talk2me/index.htm) That is not an actual chat room. It is a newsgroup type discussion area. One thing to keep in mind. I. Chapmans chat room sounds like a java chat room like I have. There are still a lot of people who do not have java capabilities as of yet. If it is Paralogic's ParaChat it is a good program, but it might limit who gets in. Just a thought, Jack "O'Lantern" B. -- CEO/Owner DesignMasters, Inc. - Woodstock, GA http://www.dmwc.com Helping you make your mark in the on-line World From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 09:07:57 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:56:03 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ZTBJAZZ@aol.com wrote: > > I wondering if this will work in a HH: > My haunted house as a crawl through maze in the dark, i am wondering > if it would be scary to have the maze at some point turn into a caged maze. > Like have the walls like a fence. So the people going through the cage see > some kind of scene or are in the middle of mayhem. I am not sure if that > will work. does anyone have ideas on some kind of alien stuff? > > Zach I agree with many of the other respondents, but I would take it one step further. All maze portions of a haunted house should have a "maze bypass". This includes both the walking and crawling types. Additionally, a dark maze should not have any dead ends or loop paths in which people could be trapped or crushed by people coming from behind. With that said, surprises in a dark maze are quite effective. Random noises, flashing lights, and windows with surprises behind them work well. Cages with inmates, crazies, or beasties on both sides (and above) are also crowd pleasers. One year (1974 I think), in our crawl through maze, a section of the floor was thick, clear plexiglass. Underneath the plexi, a dead body waited to surprise the guest when a hidden sensor flased a light. We've also used stuffed snakes, "mole men", and spiders. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 09:29:33 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:30:30 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: making a casket..101 uses for an old casket Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Davis_Karen wrote: > > wil, > Therefore I am planning on making a > full-blown casket like you'd buy for your Aunt Elma, with ruffled ... Number 1 Use: > I may request to be buried in the thing--That is SICK, > isn't it! > > ...actually, not as sick as you might think...back a while ago (70's > maybe) pine box coffins were being marketed as a way to cut funeral > costs...the marketing 'strategy' was 'buy it now and use it as a ...Number 2 Use: > storage chest until you REALLY need it'...and i am not making this > up... > karen There was a big article in the Los Angeles Times, week-end before last, about several "Caskets Direct" retailers in the LA area. Anyone can walk in off the street and buy a casket, just like the local funeral home sells, for less than half the cost. You can either take it with you, or arrange for the company to store it until you need it. Many models and price ranges to choose, from pressed cardboard to mahogany. ...Number 3 & 4 Uses: I have an old antique wooden coffin that spent about a year in my living room, doubling as a coffee table and magazine storage. Had to get it out when my grandparents came to visit. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 10:07:54 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 10:00:41 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: BANTER Re: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c schwend wrote: > > ZTBJAZZ@aol.com wrote: > I agree with many of the other respondents, but I would take it one step > further. All maze portions of a haunted house should have a "maze > bypass". This includes both the walking and crawling types. > Additionally, a dark maze should not have any dead ends or loop paths in > which people could be trapped or crushed by people coming from behind. > > With that said, surprises in a dark maze are quite effective. Random > noises, flashing lights, and windows with surprises behind them work > well. Cages with inmates, crazies, or beasties on both sides (and above) > are also crowd pleasers.