> > One year (1974 I think), in our crawl through maze, a section of the > floor was thick, clear plexiglass. Underneath the plexi, a dead body > waited to surprise the guest when a hidden sensor flased a light. We've > also used stuffed snakes, "mole men", and spiders. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 10:19:13 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 10:16:12 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: caged maze Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Whoops! Sorry about the first post, folks! david c schwend wrote: > I agree with many of the other respondents, but I would take it one step > further. All maze portions of a haunted house should have a "maze > bypass". This includes both the walking and crawling types. > Additionally, a dark maze should not have any dead ends or loop paths in > which people could be trapped or crushed by people coming from behind. When I was at Sierra On-Line, I was designing a game on my own called "Catacombs of Discomfort", a first-person perspective RPG parody. At one point of the game, the player has the option of going through a maze labeled "Obligatory Maze". Immediately to the left of the maze entrance was a door marked "Maze Exit". It didn't do anything for the gameplay except poke fun at game designers who think senseless mazes are entertaining. -- Bob (maze hatin') Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 10:30:41 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 10:24:33 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: caged maze To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>ZTBJAZZ@aol.com wrote: *>> *>> I wondering if this will work in a HH: *>> My haunted house as a crawl through maze in the dark, i am wondering *>> if it would be scary to have the maze at some point turn into a caged maze. *>> Like have the walls like a fence. So the people going through the cage see *>> some kind of scene or are in the middle of mayhem. I am not sure if that *>> will work. does anyone have ideas on some kind of alien stuff? Whilst reading this, the thought of an "Area 51" theme came to mind. Lots of "alien atmosphere" leaking out (fog), lots of swirling red lights, honking klaxons, maybe some guards shooting at you(?), and of course, the prerequisite aliens (of various varieties)...;) Lots of possibilities with this one. Could be pretty interesting, given the massive interest in X-files and such... -bill. -- "Its a world of nightmares, a world of fears. Its a world of hor-ror, a world of tears. There's so much that can scare, that its time to beware, its a dark world after all...." ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 10:34:04 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:26:10 -0700 From: Aneurysm To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Medusa Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This weekend I was pretty bored so I started on my Medusa scene early(I planned This for june. Medusa-For medusa's top human half I used one of the Manequins that I had bought. This was a female torso that was slightly bent at the waist. It looked real cool because it makes it looks as if she's slithering. I painted the torso several shades of green. And added some accesories(rings,bracelets,necklaces, sequined bra) For her head I used A manequin head painted that green and added some finishing touches(earrings blahblahblah) I cut a hole in the back of the head and put a light in it.(I cut out her eyes and replaced them with green plastic). I put various snakes in her hair and stuck wire in the snakes to give them flexibility. Now for her lower snake half I framed it out with chicken wire and covered it material( I may changed the material if I can find something that is more snake like) And at the last 2 feet of tail I put a small toy motor so her tail wiggles. _________________________________________________________________________Now for the victims. This is real messy- I did it in my back yard because when the grass grows I just cut it and the paint stains are gone I took A spackle bucket( i think a thirty gallon bucket to be exact) and filled it with can of cheat out door paint(alittle black,some white,alot of gray) I drenched the clothes in the bucket and placed them on the Manequins(crease the clothes,I used paint instead of fabric stiffener because paint holds better,looks stiffer and provides a base color) After the clothes are dry paint the rest of the manaquin. after it dries spray over the whole thing granite paint and presto instead stone victims---maybe I could talk my friends into painting them,and have them stand at a different part of my house disguised as a statue,a living statue now that would be cool. I have medusa just about done with the exception of her tail,I made 2 victims and I plan on making 2-3 more. Im real happy the way this turned out,let me know what you think and if you got any suggestions! HAVE A NICE DAY!!! ~ ~ @ @ ) \_____/ A E R S n u y m From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 12:54:50 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:50:14 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Project! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I am doing some awesom planning for my halloween party next year and I was thinking of building a medium sized room out of 2x4's black plastic and some plywood. It would be a room that we would have a small saeonce (sp??) in right befor the party. The party is outside, so this building would be about 30'x30'x18' and painted on the inside to look like a castle like setting. I was planning on having a table with about 20 chairs around it and having all kinds of things fly around, candles go out, lightning through cut glass windows (painted or cut out of lighting gels) and all kinds of other weird things during the saeonce. I want to build the room so I have lots of flexibility with construction, painting and interior decorating/spfx! Please, does anyone have any suggestions, ideas, thoughts and mabe price quotes, if you have had any experience with these type things, please share some problems you might have had to solve at the last minute. Thanx.. Fiber Optic From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 13:22:56 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:44:36 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Medusa Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Snip) Now that's gana be a wild scene! HUmmmm..(looking at some spare bodies:) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 14:09:30 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 13:57:47 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Rights and Copyrights Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com These are my observations from various real world experiences ..., this is not meant to be the last word on the subject. I'm sure there is probably a lawyer out there somewhere who could successfully argue to a different conclusion. After all, the courts are filled with cases where people are fighting over copyrights. For what its worth ... The rights to use music for various purposes are actually licensed by ASCAP and BMI (and other smaller associations as well). These are the people who call up small and large businesses, ask to be put on hold, and then request payments be made when they hear a local radio station being used as "music on hold". (They visit shops and restaurants checking on background music as well.) Their logic is as follows ... The radio station pays the licensing to put the music on the air for the personal/private listening enjoyment of their audience. To reuse that music, in a business, as background music or "Music on Hold", is considered a new use for which new fees must be paid. They will go to court to collect the fees. The purchase of CDs, records, and tapes only includes the right to private listening/use. Any public use requires additional fees. As for elevator music and the like, part of the monthly fee a business pays for Muzak services, at the business, covers the right to use the Muzak for background music and "music on hold". Sheet music is sold by the publisher with the right to perform. They require each member of the group to have a legally purchased copy of the music. Soloists, background vocalists, and musicians in the group must each have their own copy. Purchasing one copy and photcopying it for the rest of the group is not allowed. Also, recording the performance requires an additional fee, even if you don't plan to sell the recordings. Clubs and other venues can pay a blanket fee to cover any music performed by their featured groups, again this blanket fee does not cover recordings. Churches that sing hymns from a hymnal or song book are required to purchase a reasonable number of hymnals for their congregation. These hymnals come with the right to sing the hymns in a public religious service. The churches are not allowed to make additional photocopies for members of the congregation who are without a hymnal. Nor are they allowed to record the music from their services for sale or for distribution to shut-ins. These activities require additional fees be paid. Church choirs are subject to the same restrictions as music groups performing in clubs and other venues. Each member of the group must have their own legally purchased copy of the sheet music. Churches can pay a blanket fee to cover limited use of photcopied music, such as putting a copy of the hymn in the Order of Worship. Usually the photocopies must be collected and destroyed after use. Movies can be rented from film libraries for public showings. The rental fees paid cover a specified number of public showings. Videos rented from video rental stores are for private viewing only (read the FBI warning at the beginning of each tape). They cannot be shown to the public, (including church groups, school classrooms, conventions, etc.) without an appropriate fee being paid. I attended the Audio Engineering Society Convention in LA last year. Every demo room made a point of telling us that they had licensed their demo material from the appropriate licensing group. Video cuts included on screen credits. For more on these topics check out the websites of ASCAP and BMI ... http://bmi.com/licensing/rghtspth.html http://www.ascap.com/ascap.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 14:20:44 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:22:39 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Project! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>I am doing some awesom planning for my halloween party next year and I was *>thinking of building a medium sized room out of 2x4's black plastic and some *>plywood. It would be a room that we would have a small saeonce (sp??) in *>right befor the party. The party is outside, so this building would be *>about 30'x30'x18' and painted on the inside to look like a castle like *>setting. I was planning on having a table with about 20 chairs around it *>and having all kinds of things fly around, candles go out, lightning through *>cut glass windows (painted or cut out of lighting gels) and all kinds of *>other weird things during the saeonce. *> *>I want to build the room so I have lots of flexibility with construction, *>painting and interior decorating/spfx! *> *>Please, does anyone have any suggestions, ideas, thoughts and mabe price *>quotes, if you have had any experience with these type things, please share *>some problems you might have had to solve at the last minute. Some friends of mine did a rather nice seance outside. They did it in a gypsy tent. All of the workers were done up as gypsies and the seance was performed by the rather cliche Madam Zelda. Needless to say, they didn't contact Elvis, their intended soul, but got some spirit who was not too happy about the toll charges! They got a lot of mileage out of compressed air bursts which struck the participants at various angles (even from directly underneath the chair! Cold Air, too!), as well as performers who were dressed in blackout suits. At one point, the one side of the tent even opened up (with a blackout area behind it, so's the rubes couldn't see it open) to admit more performers. One problem they had was that one person got so spooked, she jumped up from the table and ran out, nearly tripping over the wires, equipment and personnel that were tableside (and behind the participants). One of the performers grabbed her and hustled her outside, both for her protection (there were items flying through the air) and for the protection of the illusion. It was an impressive party. Most of their effects were painted with flourescent paint and blacklit. Their floating effects were mainly black string threaded through holes in the tent top and controlled by fishing reels outside. Very low tech, but in the dark, very effective. They did a walkthrough afterwards for us interested types, and to "un-spook" some of the people who were a little shaky. Apparently they got a lot of their ideas from an old seance/spook show that Penn & Teller did, back before they became famous. -bill. -- "Its a world of nightmares, a world of fears. Its a world of hor-ror, a world of tears. There's so much that can scare, that its time to beware, its a dark world after all...." ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 14:29:29 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:15:07 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: More Rights and Copyrights Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You may also want to checkout SESAC's webpages as well. http://www.sesac.com/whois.htm Note: If you are going to license music, you've got to pay the fee(s) to the organization(s) that represent the owner(s) of the music. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 14:36:34 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:24:16 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Motion Picture Licensing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Check out the webpages of the Motion Picture Licensing Corporation (MPLC) ... http://www.mplc.com/other1.html It includes links to the Text of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 (Title 17, U.S. Code). From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 15:32:12 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:53:03 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Medusa--opps Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:44 PM 4/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >(Snip) > >Now that's gana be a wild scene! > >HUmmmm..(looking at some spare bodies:) Argh! (sorry) There was supposed to be more:) \/ \/ \/ \/ If you have access to latex (surgical) tubing and an air compressor, I could give you a few ideas for some exsssstra ssssnnnnaaake like movementssss (corny attempt as "hissing" the words there). If you have a scrap of that floppy tubing, run some air through it and you'll see what I'm getting at. A bit noisy, but looks wild. (It snaps and flops like mad.) John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 17:50:22 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:49:39 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: making a casket..101 uses for an old casket Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c schwend wrote: > > Davis_Karen wrote: > > > > wil, > > Therefore I am planning on making a > > full-blown casket like you'd buy for your Aunt Elma, with ruffled > ... Number 1 Use: > > I may request to be buried in the thing--That is SICK, > > isn't it! > > > > ...actually, not as sick as you might think...back a while ago (70's > > maybe) pine box coffins were being marketed as a way to cut funeral > > costs...the marketing 'strategy' was 'buy it now and use it as a > ...Number 2 Use: > > storage chest until you REALLY need it'...and i am not making this > > up... > > karen > > There was a big article in the Los Angeles Times, week-end before last, > about several "Caskets Direct" retailers in the LA area. Anyone can walk > in off the street and buy a casket, just like the local funeral home > sells, for less than half the cost. You can either take it with you, or > arrange for the company to store it until you need it. Many models and > price ranges to choose, from pressed cardboard to mahogany. > > ...Number 3 & 4 Uses: > > I have an old antique wooden coffin that spent about a year in my living > room, doubling as a coffee table and magazine storage. Had to get it out > when my grandparents came to visit. # 5 Thing You Can Do With a Casket That's NOT Being Used Put in an N-scale model railroad (or smaller) with a nice spooky lay-out like in the ADDAMS FAMILY movie. There should be a good picture in one of the CLASSIC TOY TRAINS mags I have if someone needs the reference. Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 21:42:23 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:11:42 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: "Who's in there?!?!--Cont. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >On that thought, imaging yourself walking or standing next to a coffin (with >a bell) on the stand. NO cords, no wires, no ropes out from the casket, and >the coffin is CHAINED shut...As you stand talking to your friends, you hear >the faint sound of a bell..... "Mr.Scary's Haunted Bell" This is an easy effect to achieve, and can be done in several ways...Here is the simple version I started with: (You can even bury the unit in a faux grave). Make a stand for your bell, the height is up to you, and bell style is a matter of taste. Attach a string to the bell, up over the stand (to make it rock back and forth), then down into the casket. On the underside of the lid use eye-hooks as guides. Use some that are 2-3" long to give enough room for the "fingers" to tug at it, then tie-off the string on the last hook. To "tug" the string... Using one of the many gear motors out there (Lets say a 110v 3 rpm motor) mount a 2-4" wheel (1/4" ply-wood, or any sturdy material. Card-board would even work.) Now, all you need are metal clothes-hanger pieces about 1" long for "fingers". Space a couple close, and a one or two on the opposite side. (Any space between will be the silent time.) It works like a music box, as the fingers tug the string, the bell rings. Bend the ends back so the string slides off easy. There are several DC motors out there as well. Either works great. Try it out! Now you have an instant "phantom" tugging on a sealed coffin or from the cold-cold ground..... Once I catch up and get the new site loaded, pictures of this will be on there to help explain it better. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 21:50:47 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:32:44 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Medusa Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Aneurysm, If you want a site to check out another great medusa here is a idea for you. http://www.io.com/~jgould/bmanor/bmanor94.html These guys have a great medusa...in some of the prints she is topless. I talked to the gentleman that ran the show and he said that this is the way she was...He said they told people straight up that it was not a really place for young kids. The set up they have for her is mammoth...if you have time go through the whole haunt..it is great. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 22:30:33 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:32:20 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Dayton Gear Motors VS Road Runner Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I couldn't find Doug Ferguson's address, (its on my computer at work) so I'll post this to the group. I know many of you have made the Flying Crank Ghost of Doug's. He recommends using a Dayton gear motor that runs at precisely 6 RPM. I need to know if a mototr that rates in at 4.5 times the horsepower as the Dayton, but at 10 RPM would work as well. If this is simply too fast, could I reastat (sp?) this down safely? I found two of these for only $20 each, so I got them both. I'm hoping they'll work. If any of you has any information regarding the FC Ghost, I would be GRAVELY appreciative for your input. i.e. What luck have any of you had using various motors? Also, by using such a powerfull motor, would the counter balance still be needed for this? Thanks in advance. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 23:09:34 1997 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 23:09:37 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: www.kustomscares.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok everyone, you can now get to my site by going to www.kustomscares.com enjoy.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 23:09:51 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:40:52 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Dayton Gear Motors VS Road Runner Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, Many motors are rated at inch-ounces of torque. (Correct me if I'm wrong here Denny) But to get an idea of the power of one inch-ounce of torque: One inch-ounce= 1 ounce 1 inch from the shaft. 4 in-ounce= one ounce 4 inches from the shaft, etc, etc. Now that might not sound like much until you find a motor with 25 inch-ounces of torque. I have not built the FCG, but the RPM would seem more important than the torque. (Hence the counter weight for "unearthly" movement.) > Also, by using such a powerfull motor, would >the counter balance still be needed for this? John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 9 23:13:22 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:14:53 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Medusa--opps Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, John P. Jeffries wrote: > > Argh! (sorry) There was supposed to be more:) \/ \/ \/ \/ > > If you have access to latex (surgical) tubing and an air compressor, I could > give you a few ideas for some exsssstra ssssnnnnaaake like movementssss > (corny attempt as "hissing" the words there). > > If you have a scrap of that floppy tubing, run some air through it and > you'll see what I'm getting at. A bit noisy, but looks wild. (It snaps and > flops like mad.) > Just a thought.I wonder if you could use a modified auto distributor cap cover as a housing for your air source.You could a attatch the surgical tubing to the electrical ports and build it inside the prop head of your "medusa".That way with one blast of air your could have several "snakes" moving at once.Possible? JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 04:53:29 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Medusa--opps Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:47:39 -0600 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've done this type of thing, and learned that having "open" ended surgical tubing (of even the smallest diameter commonly available) is a HUGE air loss to your compressed air system (tank & compressor). If you're a private haunt developer, and have the compressor in "ear shot" - you might not want the noise of its constant running. I'd recommend applying methods of reducing air loss, that still maintains the "snaking effect" of the tubing. Experimentation is the only way to find the RIGHT situation for oneself: I reduced both the number of "active tubes", AND their exit diameter in order to achieve the following effect without continuously running the compressor: What I did was to hang three "bunches", of about 12 tubes each, from the ceiling, right in the middle of the walk path. The first two of these "bunches" were inactive (not powered by compressed air) but long enough to touch folks. The final "bunch" had three or four (cut much shorter than the others, so THEY could never touch anyone) active tubes. These short "active strands" hissed, and moved the mass of other tubing so that the folks beneath were quite startled - especially having been fooled the two previous "inactive" sets of tubing. I called them "hair snakes". ============================ Ref ========================== >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, John P. Jeffries wrote: >snip... >> If you have access to latex (surgical) tubing and an air compressor,..snip >> >> If you have a scrap of that floppy tubing, run some air through it and >> you'll see what I'm getting at. A bit noisy, but looks wild. (It snaps and >> flops like mad.) >>snip... ------------------------------------------------------------- to which JD (jdolan@titan.iwu.edu) wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------- >snip.. >Just a thought.I wonder if you could use a modified auto distributor cap >cover as a housing for your air source.You could a attatch the surgical >tubing to the electrical ports and build it inside the prop head of your >"medusa".That way with one blast of air your could have several "snakes" >moving at once.Possible? (snip) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net) Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 08:27:48 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:20:54 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Medusa--opps Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In re-reading mine of earlier this morning about "hair snakes". {probably because it's the ONLY thing to read today - whot's happening...a massive which hunt?} I'd just like to clarify that the compressed air driven "snakes" were operated via a mat switch and solenoid valve. Thus air did not run constantly but only when someone was beneath the active tubing. But.. if the tubing isn't carefully throttled to suit your air system, there will be so much "draw down" on your system's air supply as to cause its compressor to run every time someone steps on the mat switch. ==================== Ref =============================== >I've done this type of thing, and learned that having "open" ended surgical >tubing (of even the smallest diameter commonly available) is a HUGE air >loss to your compressed air system (tank & compressor). If you're a >private haunt developer, and have the compressor in "ear shot" - you might >not want the noise of its constant running. > >I'd recommend applying methods of reducing air loss, that still maintains >the "snaking effect" of the tubing. ..snip... ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 0000,0000,8080 Jim Kadel ffff,0000,0000 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 10:45:18 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:37:10 -0500 From: ROGER ALEXANDER To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Medusa -Reply Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>> John P. Jeffries 4/9/97 3:44 pm >>> (Snip) Now that's gana be a wild scene! HUmmmm..(looking at some spare bodies:) John ********************************* Let me know if you need help! }:) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Alexander Phone: 812-854-4748 Naval Surface Warfare Center Fax: 812-854-5657 Bldg 64 Code 111RA Crane, IN 47522 INTERNET: alexander_r@crane.navy.mil Supporting the Fleet through Supply! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 11:59:28 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:47:05 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Boxes for sale ... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Caskets sold retail to the public in the Los Angeles area. (From the LA Time Business Section, March 22, 1997) Quotes from the article ... "...caskets at 30% to 70% lower than mortuary prices" "...buy one casket in advance of need and recieve a second one at half price." "Direct Casket's cheapest vessel is the Congressional, a felt covered corregated cardboard casket priced at $245." "...customers can splurge on a mahogany model that costs just under $1,000." (Direct Caskets) "His metal caskets go for as low as $595." (Payless Caskets) These retailers were mentioned in the article ... Direct Casket 4133 Whittier Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90023-2501 Phone: (213)266-3133 (Also in Van Nuys, CA) Payless Caskets, South San Gabriel and Santa Ana, CA Phone (888)527-2252 Casket Emporium, Chino Hills, CA (Did I mention that I store my blacklight fixtures in mine?) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 13:26:29 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:20:10 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Boxes for sale ...banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c schwend wrote: > snipped... > > (Did I mention that I store my blacklight fixtures in mine?) yeah, 'cept that all that clanking keeps me awake... ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 14:26:24 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:14:37 -0400 From: Willy Mammoth To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Haunt Listing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It looks like my email went under. If you sent me email about your haunt (except for Jim Kadel, whose mail came after the crash), please send it to me again. Sorry for the inconvenience! =================================================== http://www.geocities.com/heartland/2007/haunts.html =================================================== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 15:35:18 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:29:14 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey everyone, Is it just me or is there all of a sudden not much mail getting sent by this list. I use to always have a lot of mail, but now I am not getting much from this list. Also, did anyone get my message sent out on the 7 or 8 of April. I have not got any responses about it and I thought I would. Well, see ya. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 16:32:14 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:25:44 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com BUSH134@aol.com wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Is it just me or is there all of a sudden not much mail getting sent by this > list. I use to always have a lot of mail, but now I am not getting much from > this list. Also, did anyone get my message sent out on the 7 or 8 of April. > I have not got any responses about it and I thought I would. Well, see ya. > > Mike This one? Hey everyone, I just wanted to tell you that once I move into my house, I am thinking about starting to make masks, props, prosthetics, animated characters, costumes, ect. ect. to sell to the public. Not really a store, but just to people into Halloween. If anybody everybody ever wants to get a custom mask or prop, but doesn't have the skill or the time to make one, I might be able to help. Of course, half of the fun of doing a yard or a haunt is building everything. I just thought I might want to offer this to anyone who wants it. Mike Also, I need some ideas for my yard. I already know that I want some popping full body corpses form graves and a animated "dead" bride like the one in the Haunted Mansion. I need some more ideas. Think along the line of graveyards, swamps, werewolves, skeletons, live as well as animated characters, limited space. Please tell me your ideas. My plans are on my site: http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews. One thing I don't have there is an animatronic vulture. Still on the drawing board. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 16:49:59 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:52:14 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com BUSH134@aol.com wrote: Also, did anyone get my message sent out on the 7 or 8 of April. > Mike Didn't get it Mike. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 21:02:24 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:08:43 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: archival@li.com (kate carr/marc lougee) Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >> I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, >> this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would >> continuously want to mess with dry ice. snip> >If you've ever over-fogged a stage and had half the audience >coughing and all of them madly fanning with their programs, you >would start to disbelieve the manufacturers' claims that it >won't irritate people. Hell, ask the actors stumbling around >int it! Unfotunately, the gagging and coughing effect of the patrons suffering from dry ice "fog-overload" could irritate those lacking a sense of humor-- dry ice does create a health problem for those engilfed in it, resulting in difficulty breathing... Just my two cents...! Luge From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 21:17:13 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:10:15 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:08 AM 4/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >>> I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, >>> this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would >>> continuously want to mess with dry ice. >snip> >>If you've ever over-fogged a stage and had half the audience >>coughing and all of them madly fanning with their programs, you >>would start to disbelieve the manufacturers' claims that it >>won't irritate people. Hell, ask the actors stumbling around >>int it! > >Unfotunately, the gagging and coughing effect of the patrons suffering from >dry ice "fog-overload" could irritate those lacking a sense of humor-- dry >ice does create a health problem for those engilfed in it, resulting in >difficulty breathing... > >Just my two cents...! > >Luge > That of course is if your inside a building, ours is outside and the area is quite large.. we had no complaints last year and the people loved it.. so.. speaking from my expereince.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 21:27:47 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:32:15 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: archival@li.com (kate carr/marc lougee) Subject: Re: FX Supply Company Info Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Brian D. Oberquell wrote: >> >> Tri-Ess Sciences now has a website: >> >> http://www.4dreamland.com/tri-ess.html Snip> And a catalog WELL worth having, if anyone out there is thinking of it! Lots of good stuff, safeety concious, and helpful folks... Luge Archival @l.i.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 22:56:44 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:50:22 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes, that is the one. Just checking if it got sent. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 10 23:24:17 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:20:28 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Medusa--opps Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jim Kadel wrote: > I've done this type of thing, and learned that having "open" ended surgical > tubing (of even the smallest diameter commonly available) is a HUGE air > loss to your compressed air system (tank & compressor). If you're a > private haunt developer, and have the compressor in "ear shot" - you might > not want the noise of its constant running. > (snip) WHACK! (the sound of my palm hitting my forehead).OOPS! Thanks Jim for the wake up. Lets see if you followed my suggestion and used 6 or 8 surgical tubes (with I'm guessing 1/4" i.d.) powered by a single air source, you maybe able to produce a hissing sound, but I doubt anything more! O.K., I'm a little more awake today so let me try to salvage this suggestion. Since surgical tubing is extremely flexible perhaps you could simply tie off the ends. Then add a little foam (foam packing peanuts maybe) and a some latex adhesive could be used to form a "snake" head on the tied ends (while still keeping it relatively light- weight). For a bleeder, maybe a few small holes drilled into 1 or 2 of the "snakes" would do the trick. What do you think? J (please pass the coffee) D jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 01:18:38 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:11:34 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:08 AM 4/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >>> I bought a fog machine for like 249.00 or something called the Fog Hog, >>> this thing kicks butt pretty well...I do not know why you would >>> continuously want to mess with dry ice. >snip> >>If you've ever over-fogged a stage and had half the audience >>coughing and all of them madly fanning with their programs, you >>would start to disbelieve the manufacturers' claims that it >>won't irritate people. Hell, ask the actors stumbling around >>int it! > >Unfotunately, the gagging and coughing effect of the patrons suffering from >dry ice "fog-overload" could irritate those lacking a sense of humor-- dry >ice does create a health problem for those engilfed in it, resulting in >difficulty breathing... > >Just my two cents...! > >Luge > That of course is if your inside a building, ours is outside and the area is quite large.. we had no complaints last year and the people loved it.. so.. speaking from my expereince.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Knotts “scary” farm and universal studios always FLOODS and engulfs their customers with fog from foggers. My publisher for my book (McFarland publishing) was concerned about saying that the “fog juice” I suggested was “non hazardous”. I told them that the FDA has labeled it as such and that was good enough for me. BTW at the “magic” cabin exhibit in knotts I was disgusted by the explanation given to the audience that the glass wall is to protect any patrons from “smoke” as part of the show included much fog. (GOD THAT WAS LAME!) Here knotts was ENGULFING them in fog in the rest of the park and then in a stupid attempt to dismiss the glass wall (when any good magician knows you should just NOT call attention to it) they say the fog may irritate some of the customers. MAN I was almos tempted to complain the park that all the fog I was being “deliberately” exposed to was harming me and they knew it would (because of the stupid banter about the glass wall) so they would be hearing form my lawyer! ( Only because they were screwing up a great trick!) Speaking of my book, my publisher changed the title to: "The haunted house halloween handbook" (I think I am going to be sick...) what a bad title... I hope the cover will not be as bad... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 04:52:56 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:46:55 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Smelly laytex Masks?!? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-11 06:02:46 EDT, you write: << just gets worse, there's not much you can do about an old mask starting to rot other than using a clear latex sealer (Never automotive stuff like Armor All) Denny >> ----------------------------------------------------------- clear latex sealer? what about remoisturizing that latex what would you use? (what product and what brand name? where do you get it) thanks jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 06:32:45 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:27:14 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Smelly laytex Masks?!? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:46 AM 4/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-11 06:02:46 EDT, you write: > ><< just gets worse, there's not much you can do about an old mask starting to > rot other than using a clear latex sealer (Never automotive stuff like Armor > All) > > Denny > >> >----------------------------------------------------------- >clear latex sealer? Most folks selling latex supplies (Special Effect Supply, Mr. Scary, Harlequin, Monster Makers) also sell a clear coat, sometimes called a gloss coat if applied heavily. It seals the pores of the latex and helps keep ozone, oils and contaminants off the surface. Latex is very porous like a sponge, anything that gets on the surface will quickly soak in. >what about remoisturizing that latex There's really nothing to moisturize, once that natural rubber starts to deteriorate there isn't much you can do to stop it other than do spot repairs to slow it down. >what would you use? >(what product and what brand name? where do you get it) See above. Never use anything that contains even a hint of petroleum by-products in it. If you use talc in/on your mask, try to find unscented. Store latex items in a dark, cool, dry area... if you can of course. The biggest secret is buying an item made from good quality latex to start with and that's a crap shoot. 7 years ago I molded some paper thin latex skins for a mechanical doll face I was working on for a toy company, one of those skins has been laying around my shop all this time and still feels like new latex. The latex I was using at that time for development work was very expensive and contained a good amount of anti-oxidants. On the other side of the coin, I've seen latex items start to rot after 6 months when made from poor materials. Good, cheap latex is like good, cheap fog fluid, I've never found either. Later, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 07:09:01 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:50:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry, it is called Mystery Lodge, and they call attention because of the Indian campfire and the "smoke" which is supposedly irritating. During the Haunt, we never saw it as it was closed for thos stupid radio station boot :( [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 09:42:47 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Even worse than that - the "smoke" from the campfire is fully contained in the illusion room(s), and in several visits, I have *never* smelled any in the audience room, nor have I seen any in the air when the lights come up. I think the warning is there primarily fo rthose suggestible folks who might *think* they are choking on the smoke! Keep in mind, I find myself very sensitive to the smoke from these "foggers"; it isn't too irritating, but it has a noticeable odor, and causes an annoying tickle in my throat. For those reasons and the fact that it is not (naturally) a thick, ground- hugging fog, I prefer dry ice... Dave On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Jerry, it is called Mystery Lodge, and they call attention because of > the Indian campfire and the "smoke" which is supposedly irritating. > During the Haunt, we never saw it as it was closed for thos stupid radio > station boot :( > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 10:06:39 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com A note about the people coughing from fog. Many time this can be a physiological thing. For example, take the MeeFog system.. Using just water. {In fact, it is the same stuff clouds are made of} We breath it every day.. But, get people in a room, and just the sight of it. Even if it isn't near them. Just the site will make one person cough and the rest will follow. Jay P.S "Ary you there?".. Just listening to the New Winx Song "Are you there".. {Yes I have to listen to all the new dance stuff so I know what to expect when doing lighting at a club} Cool song.. Really Cool.. All it does is say "Are you there.. Are you there.." over and over to a cool beat. ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 11:01:28 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:42:02 UT From: "Richard Gauger" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re:Rocking Chair Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jerry at Spooky Effects wanted the phone number of Small Parts in Florida. It's (800)220-4242. They stock small metal shapes,hand tools, screws,etc,etc. but their minimum order is $15.00. Rich_Gauger@MSN.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 11:11:14 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:57:38 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Member lists are on the way [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, all. Everyone who requested a copy of the member list should now have received their copy. Thanks to everyone for their patience during my downtime. If you requested a copy and did not receive one, please resend your request to me directly at ghope@mailhost1.csusm.edu I will respond promptly. Also, if anyone went to my web page and responded on my "mail and more" form, I am not ignoring you. Our web server is having trouble burping up the CGI that runs that feature, so I haven't gotten any email from that mailer page. If you have comments about the web page that you think I should hear quickly, please send'em to my email address above. Finally, I'm about to upload the revised code for those web pages that will bring up the backgrounds correctly. Sorry about the bland appearance - it was an HTML accident. Regards to all, Greg in Vista From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 17:04:36 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:00:51 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: Smelly laytex Masks?!? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com snip-=> a clear coat, sometimes called a gloss >coat if applied heavily. It seals the pores of the latex and helps keep >ozone, oils and contaminants off the surface. Latex is very porous like a >sponge, anything that gets on the surface will quickly soak in. snip-=> something similar to fixative "A"?? Applied with a brush, used to seal latex. got it. Usually used prior to using paint. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 http://www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 17:15:02 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:53:23 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunt Listing Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello There, We have all had problems in our days ...so here is my info again.. Hickory Hallow Theater 1283B Hickory St. ElVerano, Ca. October 31st 1997 from dusk till 9 pm Come and see the movies of the old days... Our tribute to the classic horror movies. You will take part in 5 of the classics.. Frankenstien, The Mummy, Dracula, Woflman, Creature from the Black Lagoon. Plus you never know what other horror movie visions might appear!! No Charge...and we will have a snack bar with free movie treats... Kathy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 17:36:48 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:14:43 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Lots'o dry ice fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK< My two cents worth. We used a fog machine that we purchased from Denny last year, and his fog fluid. We had ZERO complaints about the smell or the atmosphere. We have it running in a enclosed area and we were surprised when no one said anything. So it may be the fluid you use, or the machine, or just how much... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 17:52:51 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:55:06 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Smelly laytex Masks?!? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Tad Peters wrote: > > snip-=> > a clear coat, sometimes called a gloss > >coat if applied heavily. It seals the pores of the latex and helps keep > >ozone, oils and contaminants off the surface. Latex is very porous like a > >sponge, anything that gets on the surface will quickly soak in. > > snip-=> > > something similar to fixative "A"?? Applied with a brush, used to seal > latex. got it. Usually used prior to using paint. > > Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume > makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd > tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 > http://www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 I didn't follow this, could you explain? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 18:11:15 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:59:25 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunt Listing Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > Frankenstien, The Mummy, Dracula, Woflman, the Waffleman? That is scary! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 18:48:18 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:42:18 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Blood pressure's goin' up [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I'm gettin' upset. Does anyone have a copy of Deltacad version 2.3 that they can attach to an email or FTP to me? They make a great program, but they don't have the sense to avoid using AOL as an FTP server. I can't get more than 75% of the file before I lose the socket. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 20:32:15 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:27:38 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Wings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com One of the costumes we are making for this years haunt is a giant gargoyle.The biggest problem we are having right now is creating wings that can open independently of the arm movements.If you have ever seen the scene in one of the "Batman" movies where his wings fly open just before he leaps off a building, you can imag- ine the look we are after.We have tried using some umbrellas taken apart,and some other feeble attempts but so far we have failed pretty miserably. I'm pretty much ready to give up on the idea, but since the list has been slow I'd thought I'd seek some help from all the innovative folks out there.Any suggestions? J("I wish I were an engineer")D jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 22:40:08 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:34:28 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, I have already done this once, but I decided to type it again since I have not got any responses. My family is working on our house right now, it is a huge house,but needs a lot of work. Anyway, we are constantly working on our house and I am going to get to live in the basement(pretty cool) I am eventually going to get a studio set up to work in and I hope to start making props, masks, costumes, animatronics, prosthetics, etc. If anyone would like to maybe buy something from me, I am more than happy to make it. I do realize that half of the fun of Halloween is decorating yourself, but I just want to offer this to anybody who doesn't have the time or the skill. Just email me and we can talk about it. This house is huge and I told my mother to sell it to me when she wants to sell it cause it will make an awsome haunt. Also, this Halloween I am definatley going to decorate, but I need some help with a few things. First of all, I want to make a full body popping corpse from a tombstone. I plan to make a dirt mound, actually plastic or urethane, and then have a corpse mounted on some device. A person walks past the tombstone and a sensor causes the mechanism to work. The corpse flies up and the dirt mound splits in two and the corpse jumps out, hopefully scaring the people. I need some ideas to make the mechanism. I also hope to make a ghost bride just like the one at the Haunted Mansion. It is a figure of a bride but has a skull for a head and skeleton hands. She will also have a glowing red heart that beats. I think I can do that on my own. I need some more ideas for my yard. Think along the lines of swamps, graveyards, werewolves, ect. Hope to hear from you. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 11 23:46:56 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:25:17 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike, It sounds like you have a great haunt in the works. I will keep you in mind if I need something built...or designed. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 07:47:12 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:30:46 -0700 Subject: Wings To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jdolan, for the wings, you may wish to go mechanical. Instead of umbrella mechanisms, build up a hinge setup hinged to a body harness. Use cables running to actuators such as small pneumatic or a motorized actuator. Prolly use aluminum for the framework. For the main support, I'm now thinking of a back-pack like assembly which the wings are mounted to, and the main mechanisms are.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 09:53:40 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:47:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Medusa--opps To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >If you have a scrap of that floppy tubing, run some air through it and >you'll see what I'm getting at. A bit noisy, but looks wild. (It snaps and >flops like mad.) That's a great one, John! Here's one I thought up... Take a shallow box, say about 3'x3'x1', and thread some air inlets up through the bottom - maybe about 6 or more, each with its own 'snake tube' attached. The air inlets can either be connected to a manifold with a single valve - or, for the technically adventuresome, a multivalve manifold (fire the snakes off in a rapid sequence of brief bursts.) Fire this wicked bit off as the guests walk by. The hissing and banging (of the tubes against the box) will scare the living daylights out of them! You can stencil 'Danger! Snakes!' on the box, but it'll work regardless. When the aur is shut off, the tubes should be short enough that they reset into the box, and do not remain sticking out over the sides. And...on a Disney FX note... Take a pitch black section of corridor/maze with a high ceiling. Install very thin nylon hose, with air connections, so that it hangs down just out of reach of a tall guest. (You'll want a number of these so that the whole group gets it all at once.) When you fire these off, the tubes will flop, and air jets will go everywhere, just strong enough to be felt on the head/face. Could it be bats...? I love this method, because it allows you to safely violate the 'no-touch' rule in a startling - and thus gratifying - way. You'll have to play with pressures, but do keep the pressure below 30 PSI in all instances when working with such things in public. Be _sure_ your tubes do not become projectiles! Test the setup vigorously, and _regulate_ that air supply. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 09:59:28 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:53:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Dayton Gear Motors VS Road Runner To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John wrote: >I have not built the FCG, but the RPM would seem more important than the torque. It is in this case, yes. The best FCG's run slowly...quite slowly. And that counterweight is very important. The counterweight should be opposite the heaviest thing on the FC rig, whether it's the ghost's head, or some other flown object. In the case of a ghost marionette, the arms counterbalance each other. If your motor labors, ans slows, you're going to be in trouble eventually, because one spot on the final gear is going to wear prematurely, and the motor will probably run hot. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 10:03:10 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:57:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Medusa--opps To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Whoops.. Posted the suspended ceiling tube idea before I read this: >What I did was to hang three "bunches", of about 12 tubes each, from the >ceiling, right in the middle of the walk path... Did you have problems with people grabbing for them and being struck? Did anyone complain about contact? I would be afraid to have tubes physically contacting patrons. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 11:15:39 1997 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:12:32 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ron byrd Subject: 1st. message,3rd try Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Anyone out there ever heard of the Haunted House of Joppa? Great Haunted House in Joppa, Maryland from the mid-1960"s till October 1981. I am looking for anyone who was connected with the Haunted House of Joppa as a former cast member or crew member. Exploring the possibility of a reunion. Anyone want to know more about the Haunted House of Joppa? Truely; it was one of the greats. As far as live chat is concerned; sure, why not. Only not everyone can be available at the same time so keep that in mind. One question: Why are messages repeated so many times ??? Aren'tt a couple of times sufficient for those with reasonable intelligence? Ron Byrd (eireshade) Haunred House on Foxcroft Lane E-Mail: lastframe@mindspring.com Ron Byrd From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 11:26:06 1997 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:27:17 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dayton Gear Motors VS Road Runner Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >the motor will probably run hot. > > -Doug Then do you think that 10 rpm is too fast? I bought this from a motor repair and rebuilder that uses these type motors for small tasks, and after looking up the specs for the Dayton for me, he told me this was almost 5 times the torque as the Dayton. He felt it may be possible to use a house light dimmer switch to slow this somewhat safely, since it had this much power, but wasn't positive how much life I'd get out of it if I needed it slower than 10 rpm. I humbly cast mt questions at the feet of the FCG creator for his immenent wisdom. (Or any other techie that knows about such things.) -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 13:26:58 1997 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:28:17 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mail Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com BUSH134@aol.com wrote: a full body popping corpse from a tombstone. I plan > to make a dirt mound, actually plastic or urethane, and then have a corpse > mounted on some device. A person walks past the tombstone and a sensor > causes the mechanism to work. The corpse flies up and the dirt mound splits > in two and the corpse jumps out, hopefully scaring the people. > Mike Okay, Mike. Since I just finished a Trash Can Trauma, I think I could possibly help. While I personally would not be interested in digging a hole this size in my yard, I would like to illustrate this idea in its self-contained form that could be buried. This is a bit of an elaborate removal from the one I plan to build for my own yard, where I want the corpse to pop out of the top section of the already-open top-section of the coffin. My corpse will be hinged at the waist, thus making the entire pneumatic effort extremly simple compartively to this. But the theory of what I'm about to write to you came directly from Carl Chetta's Trash Can Trauma with a slight modification. Let's call this "Grave Yard Trauma" in honor of the progenitor. Build a simple rectangular coffin. The doors will need to be split down the center rather than one single one hinged from one side for the effect you're looking for I think. Inside the coffin you will place your skeleton-corpse. Under the coffin you will need to drop down a foot or so with an attaching "sub-floor" that could be hidden by any kind of sheet or what not as the coffin sits above ground, proped up so it is on a 55 or so degree angle. Obviously, if you are going to dig a hole for this, the hiding of this sub-floor is of no consequence, and this should work at least as well fully horizontal anyway in a grave-yard setting. Also, in this grave setting the sub floor could be built on an angle, so that the corpse would be "reclined" rather than entirely horizontal. This would also cause the corpse to move out forward somewhat toward the victim, increasing the scare factor. You would have to accept the fact that any angle such as this though, would decrease the life of the pumps somewhat. Vertical would last longer, but decrease slightly the effect. On the sub-floor you attach three all-metal bicycle pumps, running down from the head to the base of the spine. (i.e. one pump under the head, one under the center of the back and one under the pelvis). Before attaching the corps to these, you will attach the three bicycle pump handles together via a strip of aluminum channel that fits over the top of, and cradles the handles. It would be a simple thing to attach a 3/8" sheet of plywood to the channel-aluminum that the body could be tied down to in order to make your body rigid. The three pumps then are attached to the air hose in tandem, so that when your air is shot into the system, they will lift simultaneously. If the full throw of the pumps is a bit too far for your effect, then simply use screen-door closer limiters that have a spring in the length of the chain for absorbing the shock of the abrupt stop, and by attaching one on each side of the body's plywood base, you can adjust the throw by the length of your chain. Opening the doors would be a snap. Each door has its own hinges. Under the center of each door, close to the wall, you attach a screen-door closer with the set screw removed and replaced with an automotive-brake bleeder screw with the inside tip of the blleder screw cut off to allow maximum air passage. By attaching in-line 1/4" needle valves, you will be able to adjust the screen door closers to open before the pumps actuate and raise your corpse. At the correct timing, this could easily scare a person into a coma. Especially assisted by lights and a fog horn or blood-curdling scream syncd to the solenoid. If this event kills any patrons through coronaries, its not my fault. I was merely but a pawn in the scheme of the creation of this dastardly event. I want a picture if anyone builds one! Wil P.S. If you would like something a little less involved, perhaps a "Grave Jumper" mechanism could be adapted for you use. This is found at Don's site at http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/halloween.html#Hallplan have fun. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 14:08:56 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:56:50 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-11 23:29:08 EDT, you write: << wings that can open independently of the arm movements.If you have ever seen the scene in one of the "Batman" movies where his wings fly open just before he leaps off a building, you can imag- ine the look we are after.We have tried using some umbrellas taken apart,and some other feeble attempts but so far we have failed pretty miserably. I'm pretty much ready to give up on the idea, but since >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- Rather than give up on the whole idea, use a little “illusion” to create the “effect” your going for instead of the “exact” “operation” you have in mind! One magicians rule is that something dose not have to look real as long as the AFTER IMPRESSION in the spectators mind is an image that SEEMED real! Many times a spectator will INVENT details for a presentation that were not really there! You should make a SIMPLE ONE hinged wing on both sides that fold back like a butterfly. The simple act of the actor leaning forward will swing the wings into place. >From the spectators point of view the wings will be first partially hidden than expand from behind the actor back! (remember the wings are at first hidden perpendicular behind the actor from the spectator point of view) The end result you will find will be the EFFECT you want if not for real, at least in the minds of your audience. Isn’t that what you really are after? Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 17:00:08 1997 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:57:34 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry and Jerry, thanks for the suggestions on the winged costume. Initially we wanted the "gargoyle" to be able to walk towards the patrons but now I may just change the "footpath" and bring the customers (or victims) toward the creature.Back to the drawing board... Thanks again! JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 17:08:29 1997 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:06:12 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 1st. message,3rd try Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, ron byrd wrote: (snip) > Anyone want to know more about the Haunted House of Joppa? Truely; it was > one of the greats. Hi Ron, I for one would love to.Welcome to the list! JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 19:58:23 1997 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:49:49 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dayton Gear Motors VS Road Runner Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: [regarding the Flying Crank Ghost motor] >I need to know if a motor that rates in at 4.5 > times the horsepower as the Dayton, but at 10 RPM would work as well. A 10 RPM motor would go through one arm-waving cycle in 6 seconds, vs. a 10 second cycle using the Dayton motor. It doesn't seem like much of a difference to me. (I watched a sweep-second hand on a clock while trying to imagine the ghost). Whether or not the speed of the motor can be reduced using a rheostat or other type of electronic speed control would depend on what type of motor it is. A good place to buy surplus geared reduction motors is C&H Sales in Glendale, CA. -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 21:42:51 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:40:08 -0400 To: jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From: ron byrd Subject: HHoJ Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Haunted House of Joppa started in 1965 as a Halloween treat for a church youth group. It seems that the Holter sisters wanted to scare the youth of their church by having a haunted basement as part of the church's Fall Festival . They turned to their brother, John, who they asked to Haunt the basement of their house. John agreed to do so and did such a good job (he was an amature magician) that the following evening many of the youth returned to the house with their friends and parents. They wanted to be scared again. This was the birth of the Haunted House of Joppa. While the full story would take literally hundreds of pages, I'll try to highlight some of the highpoints. The house was filled with magic and sight tricks. The staff was instructed to never, ever, touch any of the guests; these was no blood or gore ( a practice that I still keep in my own haunted house to this day. (It's not really needed)). Admission was by ticket only and tickets could only be purchased on October 1st. The shows ran from October 21st to October31st. and started at 7:00 pm and thelast show was at 10:00 pm. It took about 25 minutes to walk through the Haunted House. Starting at 7:00 pm, and then at 5 minute intervals, a group of eight people wouldu start their tour of the house. In excess of 3,000 people would tour the house every season and all tickets would be sold out for all shows by8:30 am on the 1st. of October. That's 1 1/2 hours to sell out an entire show. I'll be more that happy to talk to you or anyone else about the Haunted House of Joppa. I would really like to get in contact with folks who were associated with it in thepast. It's memory, I fear, is fading and I've been appointed as the Keeper of the Traditions. This next sentence won't make sense to anyone except a HHoJ alumni. "Tootie has appointed me as the Keeper and has entrusted to me certain artifacts, including the patch." If you are a true haunter from the HHoJ you will know what this is about. Ron Byrd (eireshade) last frame@mindspring.com Ron Byrd From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 12 23:19:19 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 02:13:55 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! OK, I'm thinking of an apparatus that is strapped on securly to the actors torso. The wings are levered and attached to cables which are in turn attached to the floor. When the actor squats, gargoyle like, the cables are slack and the wings are down. When the actor stands, or lunges forward, the cable are taught and the wings spread out. My mental image is of a gargoyle on a ledge over the audience, completely still until someone notices it. Then the actor turns on his own lights, and moves. A microphone and voice synthesizer/amplifier would be good. A hairy tunic with slits down the back and velcro would cover up the wing apparatus. The angle of the ledge, if the actor is back far enough, should obscure the cables enough if the light is right. Now, for the wings. I think it would be important to make them as organic looking as possible. My first thought would be painted rubber sheets or canvass between fiber-glass or aluminum wire. 'fingers' to hold the shape. the extenders or arms at the top is the hard part. I would say perhaps some machined and carved plastic with aluminum reinforcement may work. I guess I'm really thinking of those flying monkeys in OZ. I still have nightmares sometimes. Any other ideas for wing materials? Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 13 08:24:34 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:17:11 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Medusa--opps Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug et all, Sorry failed to mention that what was described in an earlier post this week: an effect I called "hair snakes", was for use in my private haunt. The area where I reside still has the "old fashioned" spirit of Halloween (ie non destructive, curious, ready to be scared types). I also help preserve this feature with "crowd control" by forcing folks to walk thru in ones, or twos. I think from your posts that many of you do the same. Anyway it's important to the understanding, exactly how, and in what circumstances, an effect is accomplished. Sorry I didn't mention these conditions earlier. Also from reading Doug's post, I sense misunderstanding that two of the three bunches of tubing were totally INACTIVE; their only motion was by folks bumping them. I noted that the kids either swung their heads out of the way or tried to walk around them. I don't think this is dangerous, given the situation described. [Also, one could make the tubing ceiling mount such that if anyone pulled on the tubing (so as to purposely stretch it) it would drop off the ceiling] The ACTIVE bunch of tubing was powered by three or four (only) tubes that were cut much shorter, and could NOT touch people directly (only their air emissions could). => Trick to make it work better: I used electrical tape to tie each one of the 3 or 4 short "compressed air tubes" to an adjacent (longer) inactive tube. Hope this clarifies. At 11:57 AM 4/12/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Whoops.. Posted the suspended ceiling tube idea before I read this: > >>What I did was to hang three "bunches", of about 12 tubes each, from the >>ceiling, right in the middle of the walk path... > >Did you have problems with people grabbing for them and being struck? >Did anyone complain about contact? I would be afraid to have tubes >physically contacting patrons. > >-Doug >*********************************************************************** >* Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * >* The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * >* Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * >* Personal website - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ * >*********************************************************************** > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 0000,0000,8080 Jim Kadel ffff,0000,0000 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 13 14:09:36 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:58:28 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Dayton Gear Motors VS Road Runner Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian Rich wrote: > > A good place to buy surplus geared reduction motors is C&H Sales in > Glendale, CA. C & H SALES 2176 E COLORADO BLVD PASADENA, CA 91107-3653 (818) 796-2628 (213) 681-4925 I visit there often. Lotsa good stuff. Some a bit high priced for what it is, other stuff at great bargains. They used to have a paper catalog, but I haven't seen one in years. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 13 15:42:04 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:36:00 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: 1st. message,3rd try Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 02:12 PM 4/12/97 -0400, you wrote: > Anyone out there ever heard of the Haunted House of Joppa? Great >Haunted House in Joppa, Maryland from the mid-1960"s till October 1981. I >am looking for anyone who was connected with the Haunted House of Joppa as a >former cast member or crew member. Exploring the possibility of a reunion. >Anyone want to know more about the Haunted House of Joppa? Truely; it was >one of the greats. > As far as live chat is concerned; sure, why not. Only not everyone >can be available at the same time so keep that in mind. > One question: Why are messages repeated so many times ??? Aren'tt >a couple of times sufficient for those with reasonable intelligence? > > Ron Byrd (eireshade) > > Haunred House on Foxcroft Lane > > E-Mail: lastframe@mindspring.com >Ron Byrd > I'm in edgewood maryland, and have never herd of the Haunted House of Joppa. Sorry, cant help ya their! -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 13 19:41:50 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:34:56 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: Flappin' Wings Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com "Scary" Dan Gildea wrote: > an apparatus that is strapped on securly to the actors torso. The wings >are levered and attached to cables which are in turn ATTATCHED TO THE >FLOOR. (When the actor stands, or lunges forward, the cables are taught and the wings spread out.) What a neato thing! I would add: anchor the cables to the heel of the shoes, rather than floor, allowing the 'flapping one' to wander! Yeah, you'd have to tinker with it, but watching the first test-run of this could be hilarious! :-) Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 13 19:41:51 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:35:17 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The following talks about Disney's 'Bust' and 'Gazing Portrait' effect. Perhaps I've missed some posts, but the 'Bust' effect is a separate 'scare' from the 'Paintings' effect. At our Halloween haunt, we do the inverted mask ('Bust') effect every year. We simply screw store bought, vacu-form plastic masks to the wall (facing the wall). Granted, several things help: They are especially deep masks with ears. We painted the insides with glow paint, and black-lit them from the front instead of back lighting them. The patron path of travel is past them, as opposed to towards them. The masks are out of arms reach. We used several, in a totally black room, insuring they get the attention they deserve. And I'll be the first to say it's the most 'inconsistent-to-the-theme' thing we use, and the 'cheesiest'. We all moan and laugh and giggle when we pull the cheap trashy things out of the box every year. Then we find ourselves converging in the room upon its completion, swaying back and forth as the faces follow us, even looking up and down at us! And every year, patrons rave about the 'holograms' in our 'incredible' attraction. 'How in the WORLD do you do that?!!!?', they repeatedly ask. Lasers? Projections? -Never tell 'em. (Why disappoint them?) The eyes in the paintings work in a similar 'self serve' fashion. The eyes are simply cut out and recessed. Maybe a good 1/2 inch. That's all. (Of course, lighting, and the paint job affect it.) (I've read there is a 'hidden Mickey' as a pupil in one of the eyes!) I suggest the most sublime thing, next to scaring someone, is fooling them with the most simple of tricks. ;-) Hey, I'm curious. . .Has anyone ever done the eyes-cut-out paintings and had staff look through them -and get their eyes poked at by patrons? Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 13 22:46:12 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:34:51 -0500 From: James Brandt To: HALLOWEEN-L@netcom.com Subject: off subject...but important Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hiya gatherd ghouls, This is rather off the topic but we think it is very important...we have never had a banner on our pages but we found a reference to the missing kids site and decided to hang their banner on our page, and since most of us seem to do all we do for the kids we thought we would pass it along to the group. If you insert the following HTML tag into your web page it will put up a pic and info on a missing child, the info changes every ten minutes and we dont have to do anything but put in the code, they do the rest. If you want to see the banner we have it on our page now. Heres the code... just thought we would share something we consider very important -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 09:47:56 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:37:56 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: off subject...but important Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:34 AM 4/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hiya gatherd ghouls, > > This is rather off the topic but we think it is very important...we >have never had a banner on our pages but we found a reference to the >missing kids site and decided to hang their banner on our page Thanks, folks. I added the link to my page immediately. You're absolutely right. Why would someone choose not to support an effort like this??? Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 12:13:42 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:12:30 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: off subject...but important Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: If you insert the following HTML tag into > your web page it will put up a pic and info on a missing child, the info > changes every ten minutes and we dont have to do anything but put in the > code, they do the rest. If you want to see the banner we have it on our > page now. Heres the code... This is really terriffic. Thank you James for turning us on to this. I have already added this to my page. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 12:20:37 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:20:11 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chillin' the fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I need some help from the list members. I was given advice the other day on using a computer fan in-line for my iced-fogger, but I need to know how to power the thing. What is the most compact power source for this I can use? I am assuming it isn't 110V, so that's why I ask. If this is like 6 or 9 volt, would a little transformer work--like the ones used with an answering machine and the like? I believe my system will work a bit better if I supercharge the pipe with a bit of extra fan power. Thanks in advance. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 12:27:39 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:27:29 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: ew store bought, vacu-form plastic masks to the wall (facing > the wall). > Granted, several things help: > They are especially deep masks with ears. > We painted the insides with glow paint, and black-lit them from the front > instead of back lighting them. > The patron path of travel is past them, as opposed to towards them. > Grim and Grinning, > Oliver Can you offer a photo somewhere to reference or more detailed description of exactly how to paint this to make this effect? I am interested. Also, on the topic of Disney's HH, does anyone know how they make the talking head work? I LOVE that! Every year my family and I go to Disney, we have to see the row of talking heads. It looks like maybe they use the equivalent of like wig forms, then project a hologram-ish picture on it. Anyone? Same thread--the crystal ball is probably beyond anything possible in a home haunt, but that would be awsome to duplicate also. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 12:53:51 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Wil wrote: > Can you offer a photo somewhere to reference or more detailed > description of exactly how to paint this to make this effect? I am > interested. Also, on the topic of Disney's HH, does anyone know how they > make the talking head work? I LOVE that! Every year my family and I go > to Disney, we have to see the row of talking heads. It looks like maybe > they use the equivalent of like wig forms, then project a hologram-ish > picture on it. Anyone? Look in the archives for Scott's post on this. He did a great effect with a singing band as I remember. Disney uses a video projector and a laser disc now. > Same thread--the crystal ball is probably beyond anything possible in a > home haunt, but that would be awsome to duplicate also. The only difference is it is transfered thru fiber optics, so the table can wobble. BTW, check out the Haunted Mansion FAQ for more info... http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/disney.html don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 13:23:44 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:15:59 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > snipped! > > does anyone know how they make the talking head work? > (or)..the crystal ball.... Hi Wil...! Check out the archive! Both effects are done with movie/video projections on wig heads, or custom molded heads. A couple of intreped listers have already used this effect in their personal haunts! Cliff cliff.martin@saralee.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 13:49:46 1997 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:24:16 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Don, I see if we bring up DisneyLand you come popping up to reply!! His weak point!! kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 14:41:55 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:32:25 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Make-up Artist Magazine Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey everybody, I just got my first issue of Make-up Artist Magazine and it is awsome. It has many great articles and pictures and also has good companies. I also found something that might interest some people. There is going to be a make-up and effects products tradeshow at a Holiday Inn in Hollywood. I won't bore you all with the details, but if anyone wants to know the details, tell me and I will answer any questions. I hope to gp myself, but I need to save the money to fly, I need to find a place to stay, and a way to get to the convention. I could possibly stay at the hotle that it is at or I could stay with my uncle and aunt, hopefully. I definatly hope to go and anyone who lives there should go no matter what. Gordon Smith, Matthew Mungle, and Dick Smith are a few guests and will be lecturing. That is all for now. See ya. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 15:07:59 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:59:09 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Make-up Artsist Magazine Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey everyone, I just got my first copy of Make-up Artist Magazine and it is great. Many great articles and pictures. Also has many suppliers in it. If you can get your hands on a copy, DO. Also tells about a makeup and effects products trade show at a Holiday Inn at Hollywood, with guests Dick Smith, Matthew Mungl, and Gordon Smith lecturing. Hope to go, but might be hard since I live in CO. For more details, email me. If anyone is planning to go, I hope to see you there, that is if I go. It is on Aug. 3. For more details, remember, email me. That is all. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 15:13:49 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:07:04 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > The following talks about Disney's 'Bust' and 'Gazing Portrait' effect. > > At our Halloween haunt, we do the inverted mask ('Bust') effect every year. > We simply screw store bought, vacu-form plastic masks to the wall > Granted, several things help: > They are especially deep masks with ears. > We painted the insides with glow paint, and black-lit them from the front > instead of back lighting them. > The patron path of travel is past them, as opposed to towards them. > The masks are out of arms reach. > We used several, in a totally black room, insuring they get the attention > they deserve. > And I'll be the first to say it's the most 'inconsistent-to-the-theme' > thing we use, and the 'cheesiest'. We all moan and laugh and giggle when > we pull the cheap trashy things out of the box every year. > > Then we find ourselves converging in the room upon its completion, swaying > back and forth as the faces follow us, even looking up and down at us! > And every year, patrons rave about the 'holograms' in our 'incredible' > attraction. > 'How in the WORLD do you do that?!!!?', they repeatedly ask. Lasers? > Projections? > -Never tell 'em. (Why disappoint them?) > > The eyes in the paintings work in a similar 'self serve' fashion. The eyes > are simply cut out and recessed. Maybe a good 1/2 inch. That's all. > (Of course, lighting, and the paint job affect it.) > > I suggest the most sublime thing, next to scaring someone, is fooling them > with the most simple of tricks. ;-) > > Hey, I'm curious. . .Has anyone ever done the eyes-cut-out paintings and > had staff look through them -and get their eyes poked at by patrons? > > Grim and Grinning, > Oliver > > hauntedattr@pelican.net > http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine Not with "ghost heads" which we did behind a big glass pane but our "Swamp Monster" got punched out twice by panicked visitors thromping over his "bridge" across the bog! I'm surprised they didn't go over the rail trying to get him! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 17:30:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:22:11 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-14 17:07:25 EDT, you write: << Same thread--the crystal ball is probably beyond anything possible in a home haunt, but that would be awsome to duplicate also.