Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- Will You may have come in after the discussion on this (good it was not my finest hour...) Most of the Disney HH illusions were taken from old stage illusions. I have duplicated every effect on a smaller scale for less than $100 for each effect You would be amazed how many individuals with advanced training in electronics and physics (I am a draftsman and worked with many in the aerospace industry ) Swore that the "ballroom ghosts" were "obviously" advance hologram technology. (and just try to tell them it is not without actually giving the secret away!) One of the best things this list did for me was introduce me to "CREATIVE" engineers (the 4 year collage kind) of which I have met very little in my professional life as a draftsman. (only the ones I have met, NOT ALL ENGINEERS!) But maybe I better stop here..... :~> Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 18:46:50 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:40:23 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Abandon AMES store.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I had this awesome Idea for my first haunt as a teen. Their is a reciently out of business Ames store near to my house (rt 40. Edgewood Md,) and I want to inquire about making it into a Haunted House, single level. It woul be really kewl. I am going to inquire on the building leasers and see if I can get the building for 1 month, and benifit some cancer soceity nearby or somthing. Please respond and any ideas would be extreemly helpful. Kel -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 18:47:00 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chillin' the fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > I need some help from the list members. I was given advice the other day > on using a computer fan in-line for my iced-fogger, but I need to know > how to power the thing. You can buy "computer" or "muffin" fans in all different sizes and voltages. 110 volt units are common since they use them for many other things besides computers. If you find one at a lower voltage, a properly sised "wall wart" power supply should work fine. Just be sure the voltage rating is the same and that the power supply has a current rating equal to or higher than the fan. (MA as in miliamperes) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 18:52:28 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:49:26 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > Will > You may have come in after the discussion on this (good it was not > my finest hour...) > > Most of the Disney HH illusions were taken from old stage illusions. > I have duplicated every effect on a smaller scale for less than > $100 for each effect I'll send you $200.00 within 3 minutes of your response for the complete crystal ball!! Hah, I know that's unfair. I know that you are one of the most creative and resourcefull imagineers on the list, and am not surprised you have done this. I plan to research these in the archives as directed by Don and Cliff. The Crystal Ball though, I mean THAT kicks ass. All things aside, that is truly the flagship of the Disney Hollywood HH. Also, may I just say to the list as a whole now, I thought I would learn new and fun ways to decorate for Halloween by joining this list. Instead I found so much technology flowing freely herein that I have now become a raving Halloween psychotic that has at least 6 major events in process at one time in my garage. Sometimes I hate to go to bed, because I know that if I hang out five more minutes, some other talent will toss some other fabulous chunk of knowlege out there to the list.... I can't remember when I've had this much fun screwing around in my garage. No, I haven't EVER had this much fun in my garage! Thanks to everyone that contributes to the list and the archives. Speaking of which, the '97 TOPIC archives have finally taken decent shape, and are ready for perusal if anyone is interested. Keep in mind that I am adding to what's already there, my own pictorial and written experiences creating some of the major events covered by those on the list. Photos are ready to be processed already, and more are being taken almost daily. Please check out the DARK LINKS to see if your url is there, and e me if you'ld like the reference! I'd be happy to add anyone to it. Thanks again everyone. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 TOPIC Archives----- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm DARK LINKS------- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/weenlink.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 19:01:37 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:49:30 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > Same thread--the crystal ball is probably beyond anything possible in a > home haunt, but that would be awsome to duplicate also. I visited a Haunted House put on by the following church in 1995 ... Holliston United Methdst Church 1305 E Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91106-1933 Phone: (818)793-0685 They managed to recreate all the effects from the Disney Haunted Mansion in some form. Their head in the crystal ball was life size, and the audience was close enough to reach out and touch the globe. They used some type of water mist fog in the courtyard/graveyard that positively "boiled". It was rumored that a number of Disney's Imagineers were involved as volunteers and members of the church. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 20:09:14 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 19:57:58 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chillin' the fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c schwend wrote: > You can buy "computer" or "muffin" fans in all different sizes and > voltages. 110 volt units are common since they use them for many other > things besides computers. Thanks for the great info. I'll look in the electronics supermart. X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 21:59:12 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:59:42 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: >I found so much technology flowing freely herein that I have now become >a raving Halloween psychotic that has at least 6 major events in process >at one time in my garage. Sometimes I hate to go to bed, because I know >that if I hang out five more minutes, some other talent will toss some >other fabulous chunk of knowlege out there to the list.... WHOA WHOA !!! Listen.. Take a few moments, get into your crypt and have a nice nap.. Relax and read some funny tombstones.. BUT DONT! Get addicted to the NET. There really is a thing called "Internet Addiction" and there even is support groups for it! So, please have fun, enjoy the list, but don't get hooked to a point, where you start asking your wife if she could do things like "Mount my hardisk" or while in bed when she ask's "how was it?" hold up a picture of this ;) Or even worse install a computer above your bed so that you can surf the net while doing other things {For the sake of kids, I won't say what other things} Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 14 23:01:46 1997 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 22:57:06 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jason R wrote: > WHOA WHOA !!! > > Listen.. Take a few moments, get into your crypt and have a nice nap.. > Relax and read some funny tombstones.. BUT DONT! Get addicted to the NET. > > There really is a thing called "Internet Addiction" and there even is > support groups for it! Don't worry about me. I plan to sleep for six months after Halloween. . . honest I will. But in the meantime can you help me with yet another question? I have heard some speak of cleaning out fog machines after use, but my American DJ Fog Hog isn't saying a word about this. Do I clean it out, or not? If so, how? If not, perhaps I can use those three minutes to read more Haunt Chat . . . hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah I really have to go to bed. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord '97 TOPIC Archives http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 00:14:57 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:35:38 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Clean fogger. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord Wrote: >I have heard some speak of cleaning out fog machines after >use, but my American DJ Fog Hog isn't saying a word about this. Do I >clean it out, or not? If so, how? If not, perhaps I can use those three >minutes to read more Haunt Chat . . . hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Yes you should clean out your machine. Just use PURE DISTILLED WATER, nothing more, nothing less. Don't use TAP water! Don't use chemicals...Just plain distilled water. Run about a half tank through it whenever it seems to get sluggish. Also, a decent fluid will help out. John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 01:48:32 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:41:40 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-15 01:59:40 EDT, you write: << I visited a Haunted House put on by the following church in 1995 ... Holliston United Methdst Church 1305 E Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91106-1933 Phone: (818)793-0685 They managed to recreate all the effects from the Disney Haunted Mansion in some form. Their head in the crystal ball was life size, and the audience was close enough to reach out and touch the globe. They used some type of water mist fog in the courtyard/graveyard that positively "boiled". >> ---------------------------------------------------- I wish the producers of a great HH like this one (at least it sounds great) would put 20% of the effort (or more) into advertising. In 95 I did not have a HH myself and spent 3 months looking in newspapers and calling various government agencies trying to find all the HH in southern California to organize a "tour" for my friends and I. I could only dig up 15 in all and only one was any good! (NightScares in Sherman Oaks) Honestly I never found the one mentioned in Pasadena and I have a second apartment that I stay at every 2 weeks right there on Eagle Rock. If someone like me could not find it, how could they be reaching their full potential as a fundraising operation? This is not a put done, rather a CONCERN. I think most of us who do this for fundraising should put a lot more effort into advertising! One of the worst large sponsor HH I have seen was done by the Coors beer company a few years ago. I was not the only one with the opinion that it was a colossal waste of potential for a grand HH. But they made more money than all the little HH put together. The beer company dose not know HH but they sure knew advertising! Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 02:02:42 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:55:00 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-14 23:29:58 EDT, you write: << I'll send you $200.00 within 3 minutes of your response for the complete crystal ball!! Hah, I know that's unfair. I know that you are one of the most creative and resourcefull imagineers on the list, and am not surprised you have done this. I plan to researc >> ------------------------------------------- If you are serious, Email me privately and we will discus the details of your offer. I could use the $ to offset what I have spent on goodies I bought from Denny ;~>. Hey I was suppose to MAKE money of the internet, not spend more! :~) Oh well, I guess I will always be a HH hacker ( semi-pro pumpkin ). I don’t think I really want to get to the point were I was doing it ONLY as a business and not enjoying it anymore...... Jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 02:03:09 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:56:25 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-14 23:29:58 EDT, you write: << Also, may I just say to the list as a whole now, I thought I would learn new and fun ways to decorate for Halloween by joining this list. Instead I found so much technology flowing freely herein that I have now become a raving Halloween psychotic that has at least 6 major events in process at one time in my garage. Sometimes I hate to go to bed, because I know that if I hang out five more minutes, some other talent will toss some other fabulou >> ------------------------------ COME TO THE DARK SIDE LUKE (i mean WIL...) jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 02:10:15 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:00:00 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Clean fogger. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-15 04:35:18 EDT, you write: << Yes you should clean out your machine. Just use PURE DISTILLED WATER, nothing more, nothing less. Don't use TAP water! Don't use chemicals...Just plain distilled water. Run about a half tank through it whenever it seems to get sluggish. Also, a decent fluid will help out. John >> --------------------------------- I am NOT the expert on this. but I thought using a little vinegar would help protect from corrosion? jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 04:39:52 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:33:47 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Abandon AMES store.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic wrote: > > (snipped)...out of business Ames store ...inquire about making it into a Haunted House... Tips: -be sure the building is sprinkled, and the system has been inspected recently -make a detailed floorplan of the space, mark all exits, outlets & bathrooms & lighting -check parking & times other stores may compete for parking -verify other stores accept a haunt as a neighbor -check zoning restrictions -develop detailed haunt floorplan & how it fits into the space -develop emergency escape plan -contact insurance carrier for rates >(snipped)...get the building for 1 month, and benifit some cancer soceity nearby or somthing... Tips: - after all the above your'e ready to contact a charity! -after securing a relationship with a charity, you are in the best position to contact a landlord This is an incomplete list, but the main idea is to think like your a new business going into a new location... Time's a wastin'! Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 04:43:06 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:37:51 +0000 From: Cliff Martin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > >snip!.. I'll send you $200.00 within 3 minutes of your response for the complete crystal ball!!.... Hey Wil, think round glass bowl, like a classic goldfish aquarium.... Make check payable to... Cliff ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 06:26:21 1997 From: angele.ryan@salata.com (Angele Ryan) Date: 14 Apr 97 23:50:17 -0800 Subject: Make-up Artist Magazine To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On (14 Apr 97) BUSH134@aol.com wrote B > I also found something that might interest some people. There is B > going to be a make-up and effects products tradeshow at a Holiday Inn B > in Hollywood. I won't bore you all with the details, but if anyone B > wants to know the details, tell me and I will answer any questions. Perhaps you could post the specifics here? Sounds interesting.. Angele From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 06:55:41 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 06:56:48 -0700 Subject: Abandon AMES store.. To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You are going to be taking a big step, Kel. One thing you will want to do is to set up a commitee. Get together and run ideas around. Some things you will need to consider: 1. Get people in the local charity involved. If you can get the whole HH event on their insurance as an event rider, it will really be helpful. Neither you nor I can afford the insurance for the event duration (at this time, who knows in the future :) 2. Get a construction crew set up. For a reference, Terror By Design sells a fantastic book about dark attraction sales, promotion, and the like. The book is written by JB Corn, who also was doing haunting since he was 16. The book lists many details and ideas towards running the whole thing smoothly. It deals with such things as security, promotions and the like. 3. For the house construction, DO NOT use plastic sheets for walls. That will turn your haunt into a death trap. Waferboard or plywood makjes a great wall setup.... Good luck. We are planning something similar on the West Coast, but as a portable :) Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 06:56:23 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:49:11 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-15 06:43:21 EDT, you write: << >Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: >I found so much technology flowing freely herein that I have now become >a raving Halloween psychotic that has at least 6 major events in process >at one time in my garage. Sometimes I hate to go to bed, because I know >that if I hang out five more minutes, some other talent will toss some >other fabulous chunk of knowlege out there to the list.... WHOA WHOA !!! Listen.. Take a few moments, get into your crypt and have a nice nap.. Relax and read some funny tombstones.. BUT DONT! Get addicted to the NET. There really is a thing called "Internet Addiction" and there even is support groups for it! >> -------------------------------------------------------- UM.... I did NOT write that. We need to agree on protocol to make sure that such mis quotes don’t happen. This was a harmless case but it could be confusing under other circumstances... JERRY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 07:08:42 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:57:21 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chillin' the fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-15 06:45:37 EDT, you write: << n using a computer fan in-line for my iced-fogger, but I need to know how to power the thing. What is the most compact power source for this I can use? I am assuming it isn't 110V, so that's why I ask. If this is like 6 or 9 volt, would a little transformer work--like the ones used with an answering machine and the like? I believe my system will work a bit better if I supercharge the pipe with a bit of extra fan power. Thanks in advance. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X >> --------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry responds: For safety You should consider a battery pack of D cells From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 07:11:02 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:56:21 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chillin' the fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-15 06:45:37 EDT, you write: << n using a computer fan in-line for my iced-fogger, but I need to know how to power the thing. What is the most compact power source for this I can use? I am assuming it isn't 110V, so that's why I ask. If this is like 6 or 9 volt, would a little transformer work--like the ones used with an answering machine and the like? I believe my system will work a bit better if I supercharge the pipe with a bit of extra fan power. Thanks in advance. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X >> --------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry responds: For safety You should consider a battery pack of D cells From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 07:11:49 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:12:24 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Clean fogger. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: .Just > plain distilled water. Run about a half tank through it whenever it seems > to get sluggish. Also, a decent fluid will help out. > Thanks for info. I take it this is not a "clean after every use" type thing. Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 07:37:41 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:18:44 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Prop Help, Question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, yesterday I started playing with the Haunted Picture effect and am pleased with the results enough to want to improve upon it. (Not the effect but what I put it in). I made a box about the size of a cereal box out of white poster board, inverted so the bottom is open. Cut out the eyes, offset the eyeballs from the front, and then used a light to shine from the open bottom so I could back light the eyes and play with the setup. Now the questions: 1. What is the name of the colored film to use when back lighting say a mask, and you want the eyes to glow a different color? 2. In the Picture effect, the eyeballs are recessed a little so you wouldn't want to put the film flush with the face. Instead I wanted to try to make the film/plastic the shape of the back of the eye socket, sort of cup or oval shape to fit behind the eyeballs the edges flush with the face. An opaque white so when I back lighted from the bottom the eyes where still white but you couldn't see inside the box it was built in. ...Gary From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 08:04:28 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:31:27 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Prop Help, Question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary, I hope this helps some. The colored sheets you can use are called "Gels" and you can get them at most photo stores. There is thinner colored plastic but light bulb heat will melt them easier. If you want a rounded look you might try putting the gel over a golf ball and use a hair dryer to make it form. I have never tried this, but I have gotten my gels to close to the lights when I was doing a shoot and they form nicely to bulbs ;-) Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 08:22:55 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:20:24 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Haunts UNITE! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > I wish the producers of a great HH like this one (at least it sounds >great) > would put 20% of the effort (or more) into advertising. In 95 I did >not have a HH myself and spent 3 months looking in newspapers and >calling various government agencies trying to find all the HH in >southern California to organize a "tour" for my friends and I. I could >only dig up 15 in all and only one was any good! (NightScares in >Sherman Oaks) Honestly I never found the one mentioned in Pasadena and >I have a second apartment that I stay at every 2 weeks right there on >Eagle Rock. > I think most of us who do this for fundraising should put a lot more >effort into advertising! > Yours ghouly Jerry - Might I suggest that everyone on the list that have haunts in So. Cal. (or any other area intensely populated by haunts) get together and toss their money into a pot for printing up flyers to hand out at each one's haunt and put out on cars that would list all other haunts within 75 miles radius? If I had anything to do with something like this, the idea would be to have everyone print up ad copy for their own flyers. Bring all the artwork to one print shop and arrange for a group discount for the printing. Then, on an equal and fair basis, have each person toss in an equal share to have the backs printed on all of the combined flyers with the entire list of participating haunts. (The reason this cost would be simply "equal shares" even though some would print 1000 and others would print 3000, is that advertisement links would go out on 100% of all the flyers.) This would give everyone a huge volume price for the printing, as well as consolidating the effort. This wouldn't cost much at all in quantity, but it could create a "Ring of Darkness" in the real world that could create a firestorm of business. Let's say you get ten haunts to pony up $80.00 to have 2000 flyers made up with their haunt's ad on one side. Then they toss in an extra $30 to $40 for the back to be printed with the entire list and simple directions to each haunt. This would not be then $80.00 for 2000 flyers that would only cost a few hour's work to put out on parked cars, but rather $120.00 for 20 THOUSAND advertisements for YOUR haunt. All for an extra $30 to $40 bucks per person. Also, by using ONE printer for all the printing, even though each front ad would be different, the cost of all these 20,000 flyers would be greatly reduced to boot. All it would take is organization, and could make your house one of the ten most-talked-about haunts in L.A. for a mere $120.00. (I would even go so far as organising a "loop" for the haunts to be listed in on the back of the flyers. This way each person could concievably begin their haunt-hop from one central location and then go directly (by directions) to the next one on the list. Much like the Ring of Darkness does automatically on the web. This "loop" could be printed up equally on the flyers in ten different routes, making it fair to each haunt. This would be the intelligent method imho, since each person could then proceed to the next closest haunt to the one they get the flyer from that night. In the same theory, if the flyers were distributed in the immediate surrounding area to the closest haunt, it would be logical to begin the loop for that local by using the closest haunt anyway.) You have 198 days left to get this organized. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 TOPIC Archives-- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 08:33:25 1997 From: David251@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:25:13 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts UNITE! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com GREAT Idea. I was at the show in Chicago this year and talked to some folks who had done this in their area. (They were in Colorado) They said it worked out really well. Not to steal any thunder from Haunted America and Joe Jensen, but if you have a web site for your haunted house, send me the URL and I'll add it to my site. (Only have 30 or so now.) Not a real powerhouse advertising method, I know, but it's free and someone may see it. Another new gobblin on the block David david251@aol.com http://member.aol.com/david251/david.htm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 08:48:32 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:49:13 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Someone said >Don't worry about me. I plan to sleep for six months after Halloween. . >. honest I will. But in the meantime can you help me with yet another >question? I have heard some speak of cleaning out fog machines after >use, but my American DJ Fog Hog isn't saying a word about this. Do I >clean it out, or not? If so, how? If not, perhaps I can use those three >minutes to read more Haunt Chat . . . hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah You know, you would think they would tell you this stuff. Mine, I clean it once a year {After Halloween} I take and run distilled water {VERY IMPORTANT. Don't use tap water, cause it has stuff in it} thur it. After that, wipe it down with a cloth and cleaning stuff to get any fluid off the outside of it. Clean out the area where the bottle sit's, cause there is always some fluid there. Check the remote wireing and put it into storage. Over at the club we do the same thing, only a bit more often since we use the foggers night after night!. You know the quickest way to plug up one of these. Leave it plugged in and heating for 5 days without use. Yep, that's what someone did a few times to one of our foggers. The thing was really not putting much out at all. So after they begged me {PLEASE JAY. PLEASE FIX IT} I cleaned it out and you should see how much fog it puts out now!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 09:01:35 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:44:16 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Advertising - Beware the two edged sword! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry Wrote: >I wish the producers of a great HH like this one (at least it sounds >great) would put 20% of the effort (or more) into advertising. I found the "Holliston Haunted House" featured in a newspaper article, probably in the Pasadena Star News. Every year, for several years, they invited folks to have their Haunts and Attractions listed for free and pinpointed on a large map of the area ... about a week before Halloween. Usually there were 20 to 25 events listed. Last year, we tried to have our "Oneonta Haunted House" listed, but the feature never ran (to my knowledge). We did place ads in several school papers, and in the local community papers, and many of the businesses in town had our posters in their windows. We've purposely tried to keep our advertising local, not wanting to to be accused of inviting less desireble types (read gangs) from other communities. We've had a shortage of big hairy guys named "Icepick" who were willing to stand around with "Skull-Crusher" flashlights and provide security. On a side note, when we have guests who are a bit rowdy, we generally put a second guide with the group to bring up the rear. Also, if they look like they might be trouble, I tag along, in some form, and make my precence known to the biggest offenders. Usually a good silent stare does the trick. Last year, our house was designed with a number of secret passages. They allowed me to get ahead of a group, into the next room, after they left me in the last room. This was a total freak out for my unruly victims. Imagine, every time they got away from me, they would turn around to find me staring them in the face again. Pretty soon, causing trouble was the furthest thing from their minds. When my victim freaked, that freaked their buddies. Many ran to escape from the last room, only to find me at the exit gate, bidding them farewell. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 09:05:22 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:55:10 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: RE: Jerry and Misqouted stuff! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >In a message dated 97-04-15 06:43:21 EDT, you write: > ><< >>>Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: >>>I found so much technology flowing freely herein that I have now become > >> WHOA WHOA !!! > >>Listen.. Take a few moments, get into your crypt and have a nice nap.. >>Relax and read some funny tombstones.. BUT DONT! Get addicted to the NET. > >>There really is a thing called "Internet Addiction" and there even is >>support groups for it! > >UM.... >I did NOT write that. >We need to agree on protocol to make sure that such mis quotes donít happen. >This was a harmless case but it could be confusing under other >circumstances... > >JERRY Okay. For those of you wondering "What the heck is going on" Spookyfx wrote everything that has 3 >>> before it. I {Thelazer} wrote what has 2>> before it Then Spooky {Jerry} wrote everything that has 1 > before it. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 09:07:09 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:55:48 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Abandon AMES store.. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic wrote: > > I had this awesome Idea for my first haunt as a teen. Their is a reciently > out of business Ames store near to my house (rt 40. Edgewood Md,) and I want > to inquire about making it into a Haunted House, single level. It woul be > really kewl. Been there ... Most landlords would just as soon have the store sit vacant, so there won't be any problems if they find someone who wants a long term lease. Usually, a store must sit vacant for one or two years before the landlord is willing to consider a short term occupancy. Also, beware the neigbors. Other stores, or worse yet, nearby homeowners are likely to consider your proposal unacceptable. If the project gets the go ahead, keep the neigbors happy and you will have less problems. They might even let you come back next year. (Thunder and Lighting 'till midnight for two straight weeks won't make you any friends. One little gang fight in the parking lot and you might as well give up.) Also, be sure the property is cleaned and repaired when you are done. Don't leave half the walls and the floor painted flat black. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 09:41:20 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:20:55 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Prop Help, Question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gary Engle wrote: > > Hello, yesterday I started playing with the Haunted Picture > effect ... > 2. In the Picture effect, I wanted to try to make the > film/plastic the shape of the back of the > eye socket, sort of cup or oval shape to fit behind the > eyeballs ... How about ping pong balls, cut in half with a razor blade. They are translucent, but not transparent. They will glow with the color of whatever gel you use. You could even paint a pupil and iris on the inside of "the cup". You will need some dim "fill lighting", from the front, to see the detail in the rest of the picture. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 12:20:45 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:12:01 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Haunt directory Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've been running fast and hard with the delete key, so forgive me for forgetting who first brought up the topic of poor advertising of HH in LA county. The obvious answer to locating HH is to bring them to the list. Iowa Chapman has a haunt directory on his website and is soliciting entries for it. We can begin immediately by probing our memories for haunts from last year and attempting, when possible, to learn if the same haunts will be operating again in 97. This year, we can all make an effort to keep track of those haunts that we would recommend to others and return the info to Iowa. Again, it makes sense to ask if these haunts will be operating in 98. When possible, the best option is to invite the operators to join the group. What more effective target advertising could they ask for? Iowa, I'm not trying to steal the show from you here. It would be great if you could jump in with further advice regarding your site. You've made such a great start that I think your directory is the best place to go with this. ================================================ Shameless plug for my own humble website: http://www.csusm.edu/public_html/ghope/greghome.htm ================================================ Greg in Vista From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 14:17:09 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:50:51 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts UNITE! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:25 AM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote in part: > Not to steal any thunder from Haunted America and Joe Jensen, but if you >have a web site for your haunted house, send me the URL and I'll add it to my >site. (Only have 30 or so now.) Not a real powerhouse advertising method, I >know, but it's free and someone may see it. >http://member.aol.com/david251/david.htm Very nice web page! Very clean and well done. What "thunder" at Haunted America? ;) Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 15:13:28 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:08:48 -0700 From: DSparks@ligand.com (Doug Sparks) Subject: Re[2]: off subject...but important To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > This is rather off the topic but we think it is very important...we >have never had a banner on our pages but we found a reference to the >missing kids site and decided to hang their banner on our page Thanks, folks. I added the link to my page immediately. You're absolutely right. Why would someone choose not to support an effort like this??? Greg Well, it has already turned me sour (pun intended) on milk by depicting them on milk cartons. It has made me dread getting mail on Wednesdays when that little flyer drops to the ground outside the mailbox. I would hate to see it spoil my enjoyment of the Web also! Doug Sparks dsparks@ligand (have you seen me lately?) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 16:12:45 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:01:10 -0700 From: Iowa To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: banner advertising Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok folks, for those that are interested. I have a banner advertisement on my web page, and I thought anybody who would be willing to put a banner link of my web site on their home page I would do the same in return. Thing is mine flips through others. For people who are selling Halloween products I would be willing to put your banner on the rotation for 10 bucks for 1500 hits. My site is going to be getting heavy hits soon, I will be putting a sign out on a busy street along with advertising to 100 search engines.. :) Let me know or drop by my site which is still being constructed on but is getting close to being almost done. www.kustomscares.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 17:18:27 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:04:28 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,uuuuuuuhjjjjjj From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 17:33:07 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:09:12 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts UNITE! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > You have 198 days left to get this organized. > > Wil Thanks a lot Wil, I was sitting here going I have 6 more months...but no you had to put up the days...and they are not many!!! And to do it on tax day!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 17:45:46 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:48:06 -0700 Subject: Haunts UNITE! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The trick is in getting the haunts to be known. I tried reviewing the ones I attended last year, puzzle zoo, universal, etc.. Those ones have no web presence. I heard about puzzle zoo from a friend who runs the coaster on the santa monica pier. Perhaps a database for a general flyer type? I like the idea of more communication between haunts... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 18:28:07 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:20:29 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts UNITE! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > You have 198 days left to get this organized. > > > > Wil > > Thanks a lot Wil, > I was sitting here going I have 6 more months...but no you had to put > up the days...and they are not many!!! And to do it on tax day!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Kathy, You just went and scared the (fill-in-the-blank) outta me with the T-word! I still have to do mine yet! Bye, y'all! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 18:43:54 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:36:32 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,uuuuuuuhjjjjjj hjukkkk? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 18:47:20 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:45:42 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: I burned the hot dogs. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey all, Bob Turner of the Haunted Hydro in Fremont Ohio wrote in issue #8 of Haunted Attraction Magazine that he'd extend free privileges to fellow owners, and suggested printing dates and locations of readers houses in the magazine. I'm all for it, however, response has been 'zilch.' I figure maybe folks don't have their dates and location yet. ( I don't!) ;-) I thought it was awful generous of him to extend the offer. We'll print 'em if folks send it in! (I figured the Fall issue would be the appropriate choice.) I'll put them on the magazine's humble web page too, if we ever get a list of them! By the way, I had a cook out today. It sure was beautiful weather here in Myrtle Beach, SC. Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 18:53:11 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:47:22 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Prop Help, Question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-15 12:30:55 EDT, you write: << How about ping pong balls, cut in half with a razor blade. They are translucent, but not transparent. They will glow with the color of whatever gel you use. You could even paint a pupil and iris on the inside of "the cup". You will need some dim "fill lighting", from the front, to see the detail in the rest of the picture. >> -------------now beginning a new post------------ JERRY’s RESPONSE: You might try white plastic spoons instead. The handle makes a good.... HANDLE to attach to the back of the painting and you do not have to cut them, plus that concave shape is shallower which makes it work better. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 18:56:22 1997 From: David251@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:49:54 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Busts and Paintings lookinatcha. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Check out the book: Haunted Illusions, by Paul Osborn. It has the plans for some of these illusions. It's a great resource. I got a copy of it myself for Christmas. (It's available from Terror By Design.) David david251@aol.com http://member.aol.com/david251/david.htm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 20:29:18 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:02:54 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Advertising - Beware the two edged sword! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David, We had only one problem last year. And the word gang would fit, since they tagged the side of the house when they got booted out!! So this year we layed the floor plan out putting " the big ICEPICK men" in every area. Last year they had to come running, this year they will be right near by! So planning is everything! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 15 23:36:22 1997 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Announcing the First Annual, Halloween-l Haunted Gizmo Design Contest! First, the preliminary info: A couple of weeks ago, my five year old son, Connor, wanted to do a science experiment. He had been doing something at pre-school, I don't quite remember what, that was some kind of "science experiment" and he was ready for more. I couldn't think of anything off the top of my head that day and shot over to the computer where I had saved a web site that was referenced right here in halloween-l, http://www.west.net/~science, I believe the poster was the author of the site, Brian Rich. I apologize in advance if it was not, I want to give credit where credit is due. Anyway, I looked around and found the "giant air cannon": http://www.west.net/~science/acannon.htm These have been around for a long time, you may have seen something similar at your local science center type place. I had wanted to fool around with one of these for some time but had forgotten about it. The units I had played with previously were large 55 gallon drum-sized units that were gimbaled on a stand. You could aim them around and whack the back side and send a narrow blast of air 40+ feet across a room. If you haven't played with one of these they are very impressive! I had never seen it with smoke until I made my own. They produce an incredible smoke ring that travels great distances, it looks very cool and immediately my fevered brain started thinking of Halloween uses. Needless to say Connor didn't get to play with it much, I was way too busy with it. For mine, I used an 18" section of 12" diameter Sonotube. Sonotubes are the heavy duty cardboard tubes that are used to contain concrete for round concrete pillars and footings. I used a heavy plastic bag quickly taped to one end (leave some slack in the plastic). I then taped a piece of cardboard to the other end and cut a large hole in it. My original hole was probably 9"-10" in diameter. I now prefer about a 4" diameter hole. I also put several lengths of plastic tape across the plastic end to reinforce it. I folded over a piece of tape and stuck it in the middle of the plastic end to make a handy tag that could be pulled out. Construction time for the project was probably about 5 minutes total. I also got the fog machine out, I couldn't recommend the acid smoke described in the web site to anyone. I guess not everyone has a fog machine handy though (go figure!) This project was instant gratification, my air cannon immediately was shooting large smoke rings thirty feet across the room. They have a ghostly appearance which was what got me all worked up. While they look good, I figured there was much room for improvement and my quest began. I have to digress for a moment to address what I originally thought this unit would be good for. Eons ago when I first saw one, I thought this would be a good way to give guests in a Haunted attraction a safe whack! I hope it is now obvious to every haunt operator that doing *anything* physical to your guests is a big no-no. What better way to "reach out and touch someone" than with a safe, aim-able, precision blast of air. This is very different than a air blast from a compressed source. It can be launched from a great distance and without smoke there is no indication that a blast is on the way. Imagine seeing a physical ghost of some sort flying straight at you, the lights go out (while the ghost veers away) and suddenly you are hit with a blast o'ghost. It could be an impressive effect. After seeing the smoke ring, I thought that maybe there would be a way to launch a better "smoke ghost" with this thing. I tried many things but have not come up with much. To save you all some trouble I'll tell you what I went through. I first tried to reshape the hole. Anyone with a grasp on the science at this point (I obviously didn't) would have realized this was pointless. I tried the outline of a ghost (as seen from the head down, not a profile.) Just a head shape with some arms out the side- no good, you just get a smoke ring. For fun I tried changing the hole to a square. Smoke ring again. Smoke rings are it, thats all that can be produced. My next thought was getting serious, if all I can make is smoke rings, then I just reduce the scale and go digital. If I can shoot a small smoke ring a long distance, I'll just created a matrix of smoke rings and time slice them to create 3D objects that I can shoot through the air. Add a computer to control the gating and automatically rapid fire the unit and have shootable ghosts. Well every experiment to reduce the size and keep the distance has been a failure. Nothing shoots as far as the big unit and when you do get multiple rings side by side they eventually interfere with each other and quickly disintegrate. And that leads us to the present, the First Annual Halloween Gizmo Design Contest! There has got to be something here. If you try this thing you will see what I mean. The question is how to make it work effectively. There are two parts, the first is somehow getting a better ghost-like shape or making a ring work for an effect. Second, this needs a good autofiring mechanism. It takes a good whack for a far-flying fast ring. (Be sure to try soft hits and small taps as well for some really cool rings.) So, I throw down the gauntlet and challenge the collective warped mind of Halloween-l to make this thing work. The winner (I declare myself judge since I have already failed miserably) will be immortalized in the halloween archives for decades to come as the Halloween inventor of all Halloween inventors! And maybe we'll hit up our corporate sponsors (Denny, you listening) for a prize! How about it Denny, a fog machine for the winner :-) Okay, maybe a video or book. Okay, okay, how about a free trip to your web site to drool at the cool stuff. Maybe we better stick with immortalization in the archives. All entries must be posted to the list by one month from today, that would be May 15th, by Midnight, of course! All ideas further presented on this topic become the property of the collective halloween-l list (at least those subscribed by May 15th, 1997) Any future residuals from the licensing of the halloween-l ghost-o-matic will go to fund the halloween-l 8 CPU, 100 GB disk array w/Fiber channel, Sun SparcCenter 3000, with dedicated T3 Internet connection, mondo mailing list server (with digest capability.) -Scott --- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 02:19:12 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:13:19 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-16 02:37:35 EDT, you write: << Second, this needs a good autofiring mechanism. It takes a good whack for a far-flying fast ring. (Be sure to try soft hits and small taps as well for some really cool rings.) >> ----------------------------------------- Jerry’s response: I am just thinking out loud..... I wonder if a modified speaker unit (such as a Woofer) would work. Essentially the smoke would travel on a wave of air moved by the woofer. Like the BOOM BOOM you feel from that annoying guy in the low rider that insists on sharing his music..... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 02:27:50 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:21:57 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: off subject...but important Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com POSTED ON THE LIST: (but not by jerry) Well, it has already turned me sour (pun intended) on milk by depicting them on milk cartons. It has made me dread getting mail on Wednesdays when that little flyer drops to the ground outside the mailbox. I would hate to see it spoil my enjoyment of the Web also! >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- jerry's post: I am glad someone eles said this.... I have no problem with good deeds; but no one can do it all! Why should I pick this one over the MANY other good causes that need help? I think the web page would be mighty full of unrelated links if this got out of hand... I have donated my HH profits to various charity for over 15 years. We need to pick are own good deeds without guilt being a motivation... (just a little devils advocating.....) jerry the scrooge From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 05:07:00 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:02:09 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Derek Schwab wrote: m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,uuuuuuuhjjjjjj > >Bob Andrews wrote: hjukkkk? > My turn: bluaghgtthphaaa...! Another installment of our new on-line haunted sound effects ! Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 05:24:39 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:20:03 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Jerry’s response: > > I wonder if a modified speaker unit (such as a Woofer) would work. great idea! it would need to be triggered by a DC source, so the speaker cone would move out once. Probably the larger the cone the better. To match Scott's sonotube, a 12" speaker would fit perfeckly. A little duct tape, hmmm.... maybe about 12-24v dc and a momentary switch to test. Im sure there is a maximum voltage that would fry the speaker. hmmmm, where is that old woofer, anyway? (dig, pry, pull, pillage, destroy, smell of ozone, sizzling sounds,...) Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 05:26:05 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:13:14 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:29 PM 4/15/97 -0700, Scotty wrote: >So, I throw down the gauntlet and challenge the collective warped mind of >Halloween-l to make this thing work. The winner (I declare myself >judge since I have already failed miserably) will be immortalized in >the halloween archives for decades to come as the Halloween inventor >of all Halloween inventors! And maybe we'll hit up our corporate >sponsors (Denny, you listening) for a prize! How about it Denny, >a fog machine for the winner :-) Okay, maybe a video or book. Okay, >okay, how about a free trip to your web site to drool at the cool stuff. >Maybe we better stick with immortalization in the archives. For cryin out loud Scotty, ya weasel, you don't post anything for months and when you do it's gonna cost me money! ;) Seriously, I think it's a very cool idea and right in-line with the spirit of Halloween-L, let's get it going! Sounds like fun. I'll donate any one of the following to the winner, winner's choice- F-1 Fogger or an FG 2001 Fogger and a quart of fluid, 75 Watt Strobe Web Shooter & Fluid Thunder/Lightning Control w/CD How about some other donations guys! >All entries must be posted to the list by one month from today, that >would be May 15th, by Midnight, of course! You may want to consider a little more time for some of the procrastinators out there, maybe June or July?. A longer deadline would help get a larger number of ideas in. Should there be a minimum number of entries limit just in case of a poor showing? Could there be a contest web page (Scotty controled) for people to see before the deadline? Also, is this open to all web jockeys or just current members of Halloween-L? If it's an open contest, Halloween-L people with web pages should help get the word out. A post on Haunted America would also help if it's an open contest. Haunted America has some kind of design contest going on but all they're giving is a title, they don't say if they're ever going to share the ideas submitted. Me thinks they're just looking for free ideas for Joe Jensen's Hades haunted house.? ;) Denny PS. There have been a number of toys based on the air cannon you are playing with, if I remember right one was called a Ghost Gun and shot "balls" of air at flexible plastic strip targets. There was also an older "tin" toy version of a large-diaphragm air gun from the 50's. Many years ago I built a small smoke ring shooter out of a three pound coffee can, the plastic lid and a rubber diaphragm, the instructions had been in Science and Mechanics Magazine (now defunct?). B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 06:38:50 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:59:36 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Contest Prizes Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny wrote: >I'll donate any one of the following to the winner, winner's choice- > >F-1 Fogger or an FG 2001 Fogger and a quart of fluid, >75 Watt Strobe >Web Shooter & Fluid >Thunder/Lightning Control w/CD > >How about some other donations guys! Count me in Denny! I'll donate to the winner the choice of: Winner will recieve choice of: ADJ Black Widow Laser and Grande Illusions books 1&2 ****or**** 50" Tarantula (Don Post) And a 20% cupon for good measure :) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 07:10:03 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 06:46:56 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Contest Prizes Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Ghouls, I wish I had a business to donate something from!! What a great thing to see, all the business owners donating prizes!! This is just great...(Better be careful, People will start thinking we are nice people) Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 09:44:57 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:32:48 -0700 From: Scott Axworthy To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, John and all: > For cryin out loud Scotty, ya weasel, you don't post anything for months and > when you do it's gonna cost me money! ;) Whoops! I've been in lurking mode, but this air cannon thing has been bothering me. Its got too much potential to pass up. I was only joking about the prizes, but this is very impressive. You and John have out-done yourselves. A prize recap so far: Denny, of the world famous Terror by Design, http://btprod.com has offered the following: > I'll donate any one of the following to the winner, winner's choice- > > F-1 Fogger or an FG 2001 Fogger and a quart of fluid, > 75 Watt Strobe > Web Shooter & Fluid > Thunder/Lightning Control w/CD > John Jeffries, of the infamous Mr. Scary Productions, http://www.mrscary.com has offered the following: > Winner will recieve choice of: > ADJ Black Widow Laser and Grande Illusions books 1&2 > ****or**** > 50" Tarantula (Don Post) > And a 20% cupon for good measure :) Very impressive gentlemen, I guess its time to make this a little more formal. Since we have multiple fantastic prizes, might I suggest the following. But first let me add, "I take everything I said about giving up back!!! Did I say I had given up, it wasn't me!!! I want the prizes..." Sorry, lost if for a moment. I will of course stay completely neutral and in fact will look to add two more judges, other Halloween-l folks that will not be participating in the actual contest. Maybe it will be our corporate sponsors, although I hope they join in the contest. Also, with several wonderful prizes I think there is room for multiple categories. I'll let the sponsors pick the category that they would like to offer the prize for, such as: o Best overall gizmo for a Haunt design (Most usable, most impressive Ghost O' Matic produced) Also room here for a second prize, etc. o Most Unique implementation and use for the ghost o'matic (or maybe best use and scenario in a haunt) More??? > > >All entries must be posted to the list by one month from today, that > >would be May 15th, by Midnight, of course! > > You may want to consider a little more time for some of the procrastinators > out there, maybe June or July?. A longer deadline would help get a larger > number of ideas in. Done. I don't want to stretch it too far though, lets say Wenesday, June 25th, again by Midnight. > Should there be a minimum number of entries limit just in case of a poor > showing? Could there be a contest web page (Scotty controled) for people to > see before the deadline? Anything the sponsors want, the sponsors get (I'm such a sponsor whore :-) ) Good idea, how about 5 major entries in for the major category? And a like number for the second category? I don't know, I'm just pulling numbers out of a hat. Also, should we save the entries up to the deadline and show them off all at once, or show them as they come in. > Also, is this open to all web jockeys or just current members of > Halloween-L? If it's an open contest, Halloween-L people with web pages > should help get the word out. A post on Haunted America would also help if > it's an open contest. > I think we should open it up, all proceeds of course go to the halloween-l mega mail-server fund. > > PS. > There have been a number of toys based on the air cannon you are playing > with, if I remember right one was called a Ghost Gun and shot "balls" of air > at flexible plastic strip targets. There was also an older "tin" toy version > of a large-diaphragm air gun from the 50's. Funny you mention this. My (older) brother remembers similar units. He recalled a different design though that had a cone shape of some kind. I haven't experimented in this area yet. -Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 09:45:28 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:39:52 -0700 From: Scott Axworthy To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry: Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > Jerry's response: > > I am just thinking out loud..... > > I wonder if a modified speaker unit (such as a Woofer) would work. > Essentially the smoke would travel on a wave of air moved by the > woofer. Like the BOOM BOOM you feel from that annoying > guy in the low rider that insists on sharing his music..... Great minds think alike, I had thought about this as well but have not had a chance to try it. Get a speaker with a good long excursion and a big amp. Then get into a wave form editor on your computer and shape a big ugly pulse that will move a lot of air in one shot. Feed it to the speaker and instant controlable, programable firing mechanism. -Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 11:15:08 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:07:01 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:32 AM 4/16/97 -0700, Scott wrote: >I will of course stay completely neutral and in fact will look >to add two more judges, other Halloween-l folks that will not be >participating in the actual contest. Maybe it will be our corporate sponsors, >although I hope they join in the contest. I'd be happy to help judge, I don't think people donating prizes should be able to compete... at least not compete for a prize, maybe just for fun. >Also, with several wonderful prizes I think there is room for multiple >categories. I'll let the sponsors pick the category that they would >like to offer the prize for, such as: > >o Best overall gizmo for a Haunt design (Most usable, most impressive > Ghost O' Matic produced) > Also room here for a second prize, etc. >o Most Unique implementation and use for the ghost o'matic (or maybe > best use and scenario in a haunt) Hopefully some other dealers will add to the donations, this would make first and second place categories easier.?? >> >All entries must be posted to the list by one month from today, that >> >would be May 15th, by Midnight, of course! >Done. I don't want to stretch it too far though, lets say Wenesday, >June 25th, again by Midnight. Sounds like enough time. I should have my taxes done by then too. ;) > Also, should we save the entries up to the >deadline and show them off all at once, or show them as they come in. For no real reason I would like to see them as they came in, it might make a web page more interesting and fun. What do other people think? >Anything the sponsors want, the sponsors get (I'm such a sponsor whore >:-) ) Only good thing you've said all day! I wonder if this works in bikini and wet t-shirt contests? >> Also, is this open to all web jockeys or just current members of >> Halloween-L? If it's an open contest, Halloween-L people with web pages >> should help get the word out. A post on Haunted America would also help if >> it's an open contest. > >I think we should open it up, all proceeds of course go to the >halloween-l >mega mail-server fund. Sounds like fun. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 11:17:15 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:06:59 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Air cannon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I wrote: >> PS. >> There have been a number of toys based on the air cannon you are playing >> with, if I remember right one was called a Ghost Gun and shot "balls" of air >> at flexible plastic strip targets. There was also an older "tin" toy version >> of a large-diaphragm air gun from the 50's. Scotty (the weasel) wrote: ;) Just had to get that "older" thing in there didn't you? >Funny you mention this. My (older) brother remembers similar units. He >recalled a different design though that had a cone shape of some kind. >I haven't experimented in this area yet. Yup, all the toy versions I have ever seen had a cone shaped chamber. The large or back end of the cone was where the diaphragm was. The units then tapered down to a 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 inch opening (too old to remember!). Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 11:28:05 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:20:38 -0400 From: William Wallace <104221.2540@compuserve.com> Subject: Haunted Attraction Magazine To: "INTERNET:halloween-l@netcom.com" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone know how to get info on the Haunted Attraction Magazine? I have seen many references to it but never a phone number or address. Thanks for the help. Erik the Viking From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 12:15:23 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:12:11 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Prop Help, Question Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JERRY’s RESPONSE: > > You might try white plastic spoons instead. > The handle makes a good.... > HANDLE to attach to the back of the painting and > you do not have to cut them, plus that concave > shape is shallower which makes it work better. > > Yours ghouly Jerry - Good idea! This is sounding like something that wouldn't be too hard to do! Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 12:44:00 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:43:17 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: off subject...but important Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I am glad someone eles said this.... > I have no problem with good deeds; but no one can do it all! > Why should I pick this one over the MANY other good causes that need > help? I think the web page would be mighty full of unrelated links if this > got out of hand... > jerry the scrooge I tend to think more along the lines of not choosing it out of the MANY other good causes, but rather adding it TO those things that I can do for those less fortunate. I spent a total of 2 minutes adding this to my home page, and every time my page is reloaded, the picture of the missing child changes to a new one (very cool). Then, let's say a year from now I get an email, telling me that they saw a picture of the kid living next door to them for the past month on MY homepage. And due to this, the child was reunited with their parents and the nut is now in jail. That would NOT make me feel like crapp. I would spend the rest of my life telling this story to anyone who would listen. This may be unlikely, but then again a friend of mine just won 11 million dollars in the lottery (one of Michael Jackson's assistants at Neverland Ranch), so I would like to think that even unlikely things are still at least possible. Wil P.S. Michael lost one of his finest employees through this little twist of fate. I'm waiting for the money to run out, and then offer him a job here! -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 13:10:14 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:03:43 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CTMartin wrote: > > > Jerry’s response: > > > > I wonder if a modified speaker unit (such as a Woofer) would work. > > great idea! it would need to be triggered by a DC source, so the speaker > cone would move out once. Probably the larger the cone the better. To > match Scott's sonotube, a 12" speaker would fit perfeckly. A little duct > tape, hmmm.... maybe about 12-24v dc and a momentary switch to test. Im > sure there is a maximum voltage that would fry the speaker. hmmmm, > where is that old woofer, anyway? (dig, pry, pull, pillage, destroy, > smell of ozone, sizzling sounds,...) > Cliff A voltage higher than 12-24vdc probably would not hurt the speaker as long as its not left on. (I would try an old speaker first. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 13:16:31 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:05:20 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CTMartin wrote: > > >Derek Schwab wrote: m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,uuuuuuuhjjjjjj > > > >Bob Andrews wrote: hjukkkk? > > > My turn: bluaghgtthphaaa...! > > Another installment of our new on-line haunted sound effects ! > Cliff My turn again . . . Blaaaaarthslkhnd;l From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 13:50:15 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Some great ideas coming through! My take on the speaker/voltage issue: Speakers are rated in Watts they can handle, and Ohms of voice coil impedance. For a first cut, say you choose a large, 100 W woofer, with a 16 Ohm coil. Since P = E^2/R, E = sqrt(1600) = 40 Volts. The only rub here is that that 16 Ohms is an AC impedance, NOT the DC resistance of the coil, which is probably considerably smaller. So, grab your ohmmeter, and check the resistance of the speaker. Plug that in, and you get Vmax = sqrt(Wmax * Rdc). Given that, you have the choice of: 1) Use that as a limit, or a bit smaller. 2) Go ahead and exceed it by a good bit, since that rating is for continuous RMS power, and you'll be hitting it with a very low duty cycle pulse... Dave On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Derek Schwab wrote: > CTMartin wrote: > > > Jerry’s response: > > > I wonder if a modified speaker unit (such as a Woofer) would work. > A voltage higher than 12-24vdc probably would not hurt the speaker as > long as its not left on. (I would try an old speaker first. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 14:36:25 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 14:24:48 PDT From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Nothing personal people, but my time to look at the email from this group is extremely limited. Can we call it quits on this? THomas > CTMartin wrote: > > > > >Derek Schwab wrote: m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,uuuuuuuhjjjjjj > > > > > >Bob Andrews wrote: hjukkkk? > > > > > My turn: bluaghgtthphaaa...! > > > > Another installment of our new on-line haunted sound effects ! > > Cliff > > My turn again . . . Blaaaaarthslkhnd;l > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 14:39:26 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Video tape Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I have a short VHS video tape that I took of some of the effects I created last year. The tape runs about 10-15 minutes and shows 3 different Flying Crank Ghosts, a couple of Jacobs ladders, Trash can Trauma, Crypt keeper sitting up in a coffin and the Leaping Loafer. So far Doug Ferguson, and Denny have seen it. It is now on the way to Don Bertino. If anyone is interested in viewing the tape, send me your e-mail address to "llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us" and I will compile a list. All I ask is that when you get the tape e-mail me that you received it and I will send you the next person on the list to send it to. Please do not reply to the list. If you do I won't answer or put your name on the list. There is already enough traffic on the list. My special thanks go to Doug Ferguson and Carl Chetta (who will be coming back on line shortly) for their ideas. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 Voice: (516)-231-8790 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 14:47:34 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Hope To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: off subject...but important Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > POSTED ON THE LIST: (but not by jerry) > > Well, it has already turned me sour (pun intended) on milk by > depicting them on milk cartons. It has made me dread getting mail on > Wednesdays when that little flyer drops to the ground outside the > mailbox. I would hate to see it spoil my enjoyment of the Web also! > > >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > jerry's post: > > I am glad someone eles said this.... > I have no problem with good deeds; but no one can do it all! > Why should I pick this one over the MANY other good causes that need > help? I think the web page would be mighty full of unrelated links if this > got out of hand... > > I have donated my HH profits to various charity for over 15 years. > We need to pick are own good deeds without guilt being a motivation... > > (just a little devils advocating.....) > jerry the scrooge > I think this started with my comment about "who wouldn't...?" Once again, I've gone and put my foot in my mouth. My point was rhetorical. Sorry, folks. I, too, am involved with a number of different volunteer and charity functions, and believe that we all should make our own choices about how and where to help. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 15:06:56 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:04:16 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > I'll donate any one of the following to the winner, winner's choice- > > F-1 Fogger or an FG 2001 Fogger and a quart of fluid, > 75 Watt Strobe > Web Shooter & Fluid > Thunder/Lightning Control w/CD Denny > B.T. Productions' Terror By Design > Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares > WOW. You are the generous one! I was gonna buy the Thunder/Lightning sync, but now maybe I'll create for it! (Of course I stand about as much chance of out-creating the people on this list as having the Wizard of Oz monkeys fly outta my butt....) On second thought, I think I'll just order the sync and pay for it. That way I know I'll have one for the 'ween fest. Just thought I'd give credit for your generosity. BTW, is it worth it for me to try to bypass the small speaker on the Sound Recorder I got from you and try to get a little better sound from it for the voice from my werewolf? Or would that involve amplifiing the sound also, in which case, I should have gotten the Audio Pal instead! I'd like to ask one more thing if I can. Are you or any other vendor on the list selling the 555 ECT? I have foolishly lost the url to the member's page that was planning on selling these sometime soon, and am needing one for all these events I've got going. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 15:12:40 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:08:34 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: SECOND PRIZE OFFERING Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com We the supportive folks at A. Harlequin Costume & Magic Will donate 1 latex mask from the web page (as long as it is in stock) for a second prize, also I think that I can provide the space for the web page but not thte work time. In other words I can give you the address and you would have to do your own web page and I would just do the links from one page to the entry page (all on the same server) So would a complete entry include the entry itself and the web page or is someone willing to do web pages. tad. Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 http://www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 16:41:31 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:32:01 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, How fortunate that you would lose this info, and give me an excuse to once again mention: Haunt Master Products, Inc. [please tell the folks that this wasn't a "setup" and that you are not on the payroll] My business opening date still looks good for May 15th. Haunt Master Products will offer only a few products in the first year of operation. However these will be UNIQUE in either of two ways. 1) Fright Lite - the first HMP, Inc. product is NEW - nothing avail. like it. 2) ECT (Event Control Timer) - a name I've given to a specific combination of "one shot" timers that prevents patrons from re-firing a scare effect (thus spoiling it for those next in line). HMP, Inc does plan to have a low cost (556 chip) version of this available sometime this summer. This product will be unique in that it's a complete package, and priced lower than you could buy and wire two commercially available timers for this purpose (see: ECT.EXE in the archives for building a discrete timer version). For those interested please peer in at the Web site. At 03:04 PM 4/16/97 -0700, Wil wrote (snipped): >selling the 555 ECT? I have foolishly lost the url to the member's page >that was planning on selling these sometime soon, and am needing one for >all these events I've got going. > >Wil ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 0000,0000,8080 Jim Kadel ffff,0000,0000 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 16:59:05 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:52:55 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:04 PM 4/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > >WOW. You are the generous one! Nope, I think it's a great idea and should be supported, John and Tad obviously feel the same way. I hope people get involved. But thanks. > (Of course I stand about as much >chance of out-creating the people on this list as having the Wizard of >Oz monkeys fly outta my butt....) Hmmmmmm, as one of the judges I'd say you'd have a winner with that monkey trick! ;) > BTW, is it >worth it for me to try to bypass the small speaker on the Sound Recorder >I got from you and try to get a little better sound from it for the >voice from my werewolf? Carefully open the case (you're not hearing this from me) and jumper on to the wires going to the speaker. Then you can use a set of small computer type speakers or a set of those battery powered, amplifying speakers like they sell for small tape and CD players at Radio Shack etc. You can also simply bypass the 2" speaker with a slightly larger one if you want. > Are you or any other vendor on the list >selling the 555 ECT? You want to talk to Jim Kadel at . Jim has an ECT in the works. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 17:28:09 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:30:05 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > Wil, > > How fortunate that you would lose this info, and give me an excuse to > once again mention: Haunt Master Products, Inc. [please tell the folks > > that this wasn't a "setup" and that you are not on the payroll] > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > Jim Kadel > > Haunt Master Products, Inc > http://members.aol.com/hmpi > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 1)Thanks for giving this out again. 1.a)I only wish you would pay me for this . . . . 2)Make me an ECT. 3)add www to your url reference and it will be an actual link Thanks again. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 17:30:02 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:28:47 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com GOOD IDEA!!!! Thomas W Oliver wrote: > > Nothing personal people, but my time to look at the email from this group > is extremely limited. Can we call it quits on this? > > THomas > > > CTMartin wrote: > > > > > > >Derek Schwab wrote: m,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,uuuuuuuhjjjjjj > > > > > > > >Bob Andrews wrote: hjukkkk? > > > > > > > My turn: bluaghgtthphaaa...! > > > > > > Another installment of our new on-line haunted sound effects ! > > > Cliff > > > > My turn again . . . Blaaaaarthslkhnd;l > > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 17:51:23 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:26:45 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It may be best to use a high power audio amp and a low frequency sound to drive the speaker. This would produce a larger movement of the cone then a DC voltage, since this is what speakers are designed for. Dave Bell wrote: > > Some great ideas coming through! > > My take on the speaker/voltage issue: > > Speakers are rated in Watts they can handle, and Ohms of voice coil > impedance. For a first cut, say you choose a large, 100 W woofer, > with a 16 Ohm coil. Since P = E^2/R, E = sqrt(1600) = 40 Volts. > > The only rub here is that that 16 Ohms is an AC impedance, NOT the > DC resistance of the coil, which is probably considerably smaller. > So, grab your ohmmeter, and check the resistance of the speaker. > Plug that in, and you get Vmax = sqrt(Wmax * Rdc). Given that, > you have the choice of: > > 1) Use that as a limit, or a bit smaller. > 2) Go ahead and exceed it by a good bit, since that rating is > for continuous RMS power, and you'll be hitting it with a very > low duty cycle pulse... > > Dave > > On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Derek Schwab wrote: > > CTMartin wrote: > > > > Jerry’s response: > > > > I wonder if a modified speaker unit (such as a Woofer) would work. > > > A voltage higher than 12-24vdc probably would not hurt the speaker as > > long as its not left on. (I would try an old speaker first. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 17:51:59 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:44:48 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-16 15:07:24 EDT, you write: << o add two more judges, other Halloween-l folks that will not be participating in the actual contest. Maybe it will be our corporate sponsors, although I hope t >> --------------------------------------- Maybe I am out of line here.... But I would be interested in being a judge and NOT participating in the contest if Scotty and Denny and John say its O.K. I can make a small donation of two video tapes (NOT COPIES) Spookyworld ( America's Horror theme park ) and How to run a haunted house from Boneyyard productions. and enough Phlex glue to construct the corps that is described on my webpage. To be fair Scotty, I think you should not be a judge, but this is your brain child, so what ever you guys like.... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 18:13:35 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:11:09 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: PRIZE? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com O.K. I ain't got much, but a winner in both categories can receive a FREE ONE YEAR SUBSCRIPTION to the magazine. (I typed it in bold to make it seem bigger.) Winners can use it to absorb any spilled fog fluid. I submit this only if it will be a catalyst, not a deterrent! Grim and Grinning, Oliver (should we print the winner's big face on the cover of the fall issue. . .?) ;-) hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 16 19:06:05 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:00:47 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: First Annual Halloween-l Design Contest (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:30 PM 4/16/97 -0700, Wil wrote (snipped): >3)add www to your url reference and it will be an actual link > >Thanks again. >Wil Wil, Pls explain exactly what you mean by "an actual link" (above). I tried adding the www to HMPI address and it works, but of what particular value is it to include these three extra characters in the URL? My Eudora Pro 3.0 mail pgm highlites all: http:// addresses so that a single click on them in anyone's Email msg automatically invokes the Browser to pull up that location..so that can't be what's meant by "link", right? Jim ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 0000,0000,8080 Jim Kadel ffff,0000,0000 Haunt Master Products, Inc