X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 18 23:25:26 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:12:30 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: One of the All-Time Worst Haunted House Rooms - Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 04:48 PM 4/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Most of Belmont Park has since been bulldozed. I haven't been back to >see. Recently a civic group raised money and restored the old wooden >roller coaster. They must have new cars, the old ones didn't have any >seat belts. If you wanted to stay in the car, it was your responsibility >to tuck your toes under the pipe by your feet. > I can't speak from riding experience about the coaster, but Belmont Park has gone through somewhat of a rejuvenation, although whether for better or for worse is a matter of opinion. The coaster has been refurbished and reopened. The pool, named The Plunge, has been completely refinished, including the building in which it is located. The entire park is now infected with shops selling souveniers, surf gear, etc. Everything is generally sporting a facelift and is looking new and shiny, but the charm that I remember from my vague and distant childhood is missing. On the other hand, I may be looking back through rose-colored glasses, and was there ever an amusement park in SoCal that could make a claim to old-fashioned charm? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 18 23:48:45 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:12:05 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Anti-Gravity Hill ... Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK!! I held off long enough!! We have a spot about 15mins from our house up in the hills. We call it Gravity Hill! It works the same way, you park the car and it will roll uphill!! I think every teenager in town has scared their girlfriend up there!! All the old stories of the white lady and the hook killer are told on the way up there. As for the Mystery spot...I have been there. Because of a illness I get vertigo very badly. The minute we walked into the house my head started spinning and I was taken outside to wait for the tour. While I was out there I noticed how the building was built, and how things were set to give a great illusion!! I know how it is done in some parts...but I won't ever go in one again!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 00:32:46 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:16:59 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: stolen room idea Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com hello fello feinds, Its been a while since I posted, but if I could keep family members away from the doctors office I would be much better off!!!! We are working on room designs and I thought I would get some input from the list. We are going to take 'Morty's Mortuary' to a profitable enterprise this year (notice the confidance and lack of understanding of what we have decided to undertake :) We have a population of over 150,000 in a 60 mile radious and no haunts in a 100 mile radious tho...sounds like good odds to us :) We read a post a while back about the spider room with glass breaking and the feater boa landing on the ppl, Its a great idea that will work with our mortuary theme quite well as follows... The patrons are led to a room marked 'ROACH ROOM' outside the room they see an aquarium filled with live roaches...the host Morty explains that this is the room where the bones are cleaned for medical skelitons and such...in the room they find a glass wall filled with roaches and a somewhat eaten body...the lights go out the sound of glass breaking and then styrofoam peanuts are sprinkled on them. IMHO this scene should work very well...the peanuts will feel like roaches and even crunch under the feet in the desierd way heheheh...but the question is this...does it break the no touch rule? We have racked our brains on this and just dont see anyway it could harm ppl...but you all have done things like this more often so we ask for your input. BTW...thanks to the original poster for the idea -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 00:55:03 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:46:14 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-04-19 01:12:03 EDT, you write: > > > Your not being realistic, (snip) With all due respect I think you misunderstand the difference between a non-profit and a fundraising HH. DJ as far as I can tell is involved in a non-profit haunt whereas your particlar arrangement would constitute a fundraiser. Confused? I'm not an expert in this by any means but I have worked in both types and as far as I know there are basically 3 ways HHs have worked to benefit charities; 1)Profit-The name says it all.All the proceeds benefit the operators but many of these HHs have chosen to make "donations" to certain charities in some form or another. One of the more popular ways is to donate a certain night's proceeds to a particular cause.Usually the requirements on behalf of the benefitting charity are none (although I imagine they would do some of their own advertising for the night they are benefitting) 2)Non-profit- No one receives any of the proceeds except the benefitting charity. The gracious volunteers are willing to donate time,energy and yes even their own money to bring these haunts together. This is what DJ's haunt is (right?). The very first two haunts I did were also like this. Rather than just donate money to a cause, we decided to raise money for them. But we never took any of part of the money we collected. All expenses we covered out of our own pockets and all proceeds went to the charity. 3)Fundraiser-although some proceeds benefit a cause, someone is also getting paid for their services.The arrangements between the benefactors in terms of services provided and payments received varies greatly. Of course how you are set-up will effect many factors but most importantly in how you deal with the nice gentleman from the I.R.S. BTW-Some non-profit organizations such as the JC's run a non-profit HH in one town while the JCs in another locale maybe operating a fundraising HH. As for Wil's question, all I can say is you have to determine for yourself what kind of arrangement you want to have. However under any circumstances, if you are going to charge money, you will have liablity issues to deal with so you must check out your insurance situation (anong other things) very carefully. If your really serious about helping a charity and don't want to mess with all the hassles, may I suggest just having a donation booth available.You could provide some space for the charity you want to benefit and since the donations would be entirely optional I don't think you would run into any problems.:) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 04:26:01 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 06:15:30 -0500 From: DJ To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com DJ said: > I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but regardless of what the laws > might say I can't help feeling this would be in very poor taste. We do > our haunt as a charity each year for St. Jude Children's Research > Hospital. I cannot imagine taking money that patrons donate for the > hospital and using it to buy props or pay utilities. Spookyfx replied: > Your not being realistic, Actually, I'm being quite realistic. We've been doing this for years. I have no doubt that our patrons donate their money to benefit terminally ill children at St. Jude Hospital.... not so that we can enhance our mask collection. Every year we spend a few hundred dollars on props and building supplies. (There are certainly those among us who spend much more for haunts they do cheerfully for free, just out of love for the holiday.) With what we have managed to collect over time, each year our haunt is bigger and better. We live in a small town of around 8,500 people. Our attendance averages around 3,000 for the one night we are open. In spite of our meager resources, I think that's pretty good. > If I had to pay for all the props myself, I would not have been > able to generat ANY money for the fundraisers... We've found that it doesn't take thousands of dollars in expensive props to have a good haunt. We shop carefully and depend on our own creativity rather than simply simply buying things off the shelf. Like most of the fine folks on this list, we are Halloween fans and have collected several props and supplies over the years. We've paid for them all ourselves, because they are *ours*. I could *never* use money someone donated to charity to buy things I would keep myself. > The hardware store that sells the paint, > The costume shop that sells the makeup, > The printer that sells the tickets > > etc. all get paid in order to do the HH inthe first place. Yes, but none of them are hanging out a shingle saying they are operating for charity. There's a big difference. I expect this is a matter in which we will continue to disagree. I think perhaps it's best to let it go at that. DJ, who hopes to now retire her soapbox From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 07:07:55 1997 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:00:47 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Smoke rings and ghosts and convection currents... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, folks! I've been following the ongoing discussion about making ghost- shaped smoke puffs, and this little warning bell keeps going off in my head...I have this nagging sensation that a smoke ring MUST remain circular to maintain its coherance. I think it was Wil that pointed out that the only time smoke rings are non-circular is just before they dissipate, leading me to think that the idea of making long-lasting non-ring-shaped smoke puffs is doomed. But Wait! Here's an idea. How about using a slide projector to project the image of a ghost onto a normal smoke ring? Just set your projector in the same axis as the smoke ring travels. You'd get the transparent, shimmering effect of smoke, plus a well-defined ghost shape. And when your smoke ring dissipates, the ghost projection will quaver and disintegrate as well. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 08:07:50 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:36:22 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: stolen room idea Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Brandts!! You have taken the spider room idea to fit your style. And I don't feel that it breaks the no touch rule. Last year we had a dragon that blew out C02 through his nose. It blew on people, not up close..., and no one complained. Then we had the ripped pieces of material so it feels like spider webs...it touched people. I think the no touch rule is Human vs. Human. NO grabbing ankles, wrists, people in a bearhug...etc.!! Even the insurance papers I have been looking at ask if you have plans of any human contact!! So I think they see it as a no no also!! You are doing great!! Keep up the good work!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 10:01:51 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:00:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Anti-Gravity Hill ... Banter To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The closest form of a Gravity Hill in this parts is Knotts Berry Farm which sports their own Haunted Shack :) It also makes a fun haunted house each year, the last year's HH being Curse of the Werewolf.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 10:05:42 1997 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:03:56 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com DJ wrote: > I expect this is a matter in which we will continue to disagree. I > think perhaps it's best to let it go at that. > > DJ, who hopes to now retire her soapbox I am not disagreeing at all. Thanks for your input. I want to be sure this is a good idea before I commit. If I must finance all of the show myself, it would be unfair this year to charge or even imply a donation for the size it will be without specially-marked monies helping beef it up. No big deal. I just thought it was possibly a good idea. I think perhaps the idea of offering the organization space for a booth is a good idea though. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 10:09:21 1997 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:07:26 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: L.E.D.s Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Can I ask of some of the talent on the list what they know of L.E.D.s? I hooked up two standard 10 volt l.e.d.s to a nine volt little battery and it put out light nicely. Can I use this for much time before burning up the l.e.d.s? Or is this how they are supposed to work correctly? Also, how can I hook up more power to the l.e.d.s than a single nine volt battery? How can I make them flash easily? Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 10:12:22 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:06:52 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! Here's my .20 cents worth... Ok, if your working for a charity, and you find a corporate sponsor to make a tax deductible contribution of say $15,000 to put on the show, (I'm simplifying things a bit here.) they expect you will be putting on the event, not just giving it to whoever the benefactor is. Your charity is looking for community name recognition, your sponsor is looking for advertising space as well as association with a fun, family oriented event. Chances are, if the event were not going on, the corporate sponsor would have very little incentive to contribute to the charity at all. Corporations do not have kind hearts. If you build a successful haunt getting 8,000 guests at $3 a piece. That's $24,000 the charity would not have, if you didn't put on the show. Even if you use $4,000 of it to buy supplies to stay competetive next year, That leaves $20,000 for charity. I think they would be very happy to get that boost in income at the end of the year. The $3 each patron is giving is not a donation. It's the admission price to go in and be scared. If the haunt didn't exist, very few of them would stop by to drop off their yearly $3 contribution. The $10,000 to $12,000 worth of haunt supplies is what you'll be using to put on next years show, if your contracted to do that. The supplies are not the 'profit' it's part of the investment in your business. Your cost of doing business 'must' be covered before any profit can be announced or given away. Just because you are working with a charity does not mean your work is worthless. The administrators of the charity get paid for their efforts. Maybe not as much as they would in some other business but their work is what makes the charity exist. Anyway, I didn't chime in to get everyone angry. I think it's cool if you have the time and money to give to whatever charity you like. It is possible, however, to do successful business and benefit the community charities as well. Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 10:16:14 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:10:09 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Smoke rings and ghosts and convection currents... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com sao@mit.edu wrote: > > Hi, folks! I've been following the ongoing discussion about making ghost- > shaped smoke puffs, and this little warning bell keeps going off in > my head...I have this nagging sensation that a smoke ring MUST remain > circular to maintain its coherance. > > I think it was Wil that pointed out that the only time smoke rings are > non-circular is just before they dissipate, leading me to think that the > idea of making long-lasting non-ring-shaped smoke puffs is doomed. > > But Wait! Here's an idea. How about using a slide projector to > project the image of a ghost onto a normal smoke ring? Just set your > projector in the same axis as the smoke ring travels. You'd get the > transparent, shimmering effect of smoke, plus a well-defined ghost > shape. And when your smoke ring dissipates, the ghost projection will > quaver and disintegrate as well. You could also use a spotlight with a gost gobo on it. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 11:06:12 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:06:48 -0700 Subject: L.E.D.s To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, on LEDs you use a series resistor to limit the current. Otherwise, the LED will burn out shortly. There are flasher LEDs available, or use the Radio Shack chip 3909 which will flash LEDs..... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 11:16:02 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:02:42 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Re: Pneumatic devices/solenods Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I like this idea. Any idea what the air pressure is? A convenient source for the DC voltage could be a battery charger. ...Gary At 06:24 AM 4/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Ok folks, I was thinking about where to get a Pneumatic air valve >solenoid, and I remembered something that could solve everyone's problem >on finding one, and could be alot cheaper. > >I remembered that a Air Horn I had in my truck had a little deal that >pumped out air, it was bingo controled by a dc source which im sure >could be done also by ac, you press the horn and it sent a blast of air >to the horns. If you do not think these things pump out some air you >try to go up to one of those horns and blow on it, you would nto even >come close to making it toot. > >I think this could be the perfect soloution for everyone, the device is >very small, is controlled by dc/ac and should have no problems blasting >out enough air to lift something as long as it does not weigh a ton. Im >going to find out this weekend. If any of you think this could work too, >if you can try it and let me know what you find out. > >remember, the air horns with the device that blows air. You will know >as it has a air tube to connect from the device to the horn. > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 12:55:25 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:49:17 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: L.E.D.s Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: > > Can I ask of some of the talent on the list what they know of L.E.D.s? I > hooked up two standard 10 volt l.e.d.s to a nine volt little battery and > it put out light nicely. Can I use this for much time before burning up > the l.e.d.s? Or is this how they are supposed to work correctly? Also, > how can I hook up more power to the l.e.d.s than a single nine volt > battery? How can I make them flash easily? > > Wil > -- The LEDs should last almost forever as long as the voltage and current ratings are not exeeded (They won't be with a 10v LED and a 9v battery. The easiest way to make the LEDs flash is to use a flashing LED (available from Radio Shack) these LEDS usualy run on 5vdc and can be wired in series with up to 60 other LEDS to make them all flash. You can also use a simple circuit with an LM3909 LED flasher IC this circuit will flash an LED for several months from a single AA batery, however, this IC will not work with your 10v LEDs unless a transister is used. I recomend using a flashing LED wired in series with the other LEDs. The operating voltage would be the total voltage of all the LEDs used, in your case 5v for the flasher + 20v for the two LEDs = 25 volts. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 15:41:06 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:34:38 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-19 08:45:10 EDT, you write: << I expect this is a matter in which we will continue to disagree. I think perhaps it's best to let it go at that. DJ, who hopes to now retire her soapbox >> Jerry's response: Now your talking... :~) You are doing it the way that is best for you, I suppose I get irritated with someone trying to IMPOSE their values and morals on others. I am NOT saying that is what you did, in fact Wil ASKED for your input on this. BUT he asked for mine as well. I DON’T put away the HH equipment and costumes in a box after every HH. I am sitting in my home as I write with more than 80% of the items around me related to my HH love. I have tools, books, toys, documents, supplies mail, furniture...all for My HH This makes up most of my worldly possessions. I Have spent most of my time and money on this craft for 23 years. EVERY day I am thinking or doing something that relates to my next HH. (yes I suppose I am obsesses) The only way I could retain my level of excellence in my HH presentations was to keep the props I build from each HH fund-raiser I have worked on. (NO OFF THE SELF HERE, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT OF ME BY NOW.) I have spent WAY MORE than I have taken. I feel no guilt. I don’t think Wil should either. that is all I meant to say in my poor EMAIL way.... BUT you are right as well, you should not do what you feel is not ethical for yourself From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 15:52:33 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: L.E.D.s Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ref Wil's question. I used 12v DC transformers for the eyes in the Flying crank ghost. Putting the proper resistor in the line prevented to much voltage. You can pick these up for a couple of dollars in some of the catalogs shown on the list. I just scrounged around asking friends. The voltage doesn't make to much difference as long as it is DC. Just use the proper resistor. I also converted my garage door opener exterior panel to be wired AC to DC as I was using 12 VDC batteries like crasy, works great. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street llund179@aol.com __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 Voice: (516)-231-8790 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 16:18:42 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:14:53 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Increased Odds - Discount Raffle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fright Lite friends, In order to speed up the Fright Lite 50% discount raffle (details listed at Web site in signature), I've reduced the total entries required from 50 to 25. [didn't think those who already entered would object to more favorable odds] As of this writing there are only 5 more entries needed. If you've not visited the Haunt Master Products site, and entered the raffle, do so tonite. It's painless, takes about 10 seconds, and who knows tomorrow you may be a winner. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://www.members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 16:48:38 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:43:05 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: One of the all time worst HHs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I can beat that with two local examples. 1) A local festival-style event featured the "3-D Terror Maze." I think they called it 3-D because it was not in 2-D. It was inside a large festival tent with your standard overhead, white lighting and unpainted walls made of untreated plywood. This "maze" featured one long path with no real attempt at creating wrong-turns or dead ends. There was one actor, a young teenager who was carrying his mask in his hands when we entered. He promptly put it on and started following us around. Eek. The final room consisted of a white, plastic patio chiar in the middle of the hallway with a small fog machine sitting on it. This was not a charity event. It was "the area's most terrifying halloween experience with state-of-the-art special effects straight from Hollywood!" 2) "The Undead Band" room. A highly arrogant designer of a local house told me his plans for one of the rooms in a local house. He proudly revealed his plans for building a stage for a live band that would play loud music to fill the entire place, and they would all be wearing undead make-up. There would also be a variety of lighting and sound effects. The final room consisted of a black stage surrounded by chicken wire (not unlike the stage from "The Blues Brothers" movie.) Two young girls wearing t-shirts and jeans (no make-up of any kind) strummed unpainted, cardboard cut-outs of guitars and yelled, "Rock on! Let's rock! Yeah!" I swear, I am not making that up. Nor am I making up the fact that the same designer planned on covering a stairwell with tumbling mats so that the guests could slide thru the dark and into the basement. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 17:10:41 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:36:05 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Increased Odds - Discount Raffle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK Jim, I entered your raffle!! Lets hope it is the lucky number. What is the next product in your line of equipment? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 17:19:00 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:20:55 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: L.E.D.s Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lund wrote: > > Ref Wil's question. > be wired AC to DC as I was using 12 VDC batteries like crasy, works great. > > Larry Sorry I'm not following too well. Did you use part of your garage door motor or electrical on your FCG? I thought that the power that runs the lights for the eyes on the FCG was the radio frequency of the voice sound coming from the amp. If its not, I feel really stupid. Of course, not as stupid as I would as if I blew up everything I've scrounged up to make my ghost over the past five weeks! Thanks Larry. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 17:28:40 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:31:14 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: "Rock on! Let's rock! Yeah!" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com SkinkSim@aol.com wrote: "Rock on! Let's rock! Yeah!" > > I swear, I am not making that up. Nor am I making up the fact that the same > designer planned on covering a stairwell with tumbling mats so that the > guests could slide thru the dark and into the basement. I trust that five of the list's most dedicated contributors will get together and make an ugly example out of killing me if my haunt ever resembles what you just described. I've been to discos that were many times more frightnening than this (not to mention a couple of alleys). aaaacckkkkkk. -- Wil "Rock on! Let's rock! Yeah!, Death Lord" X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 17:40:40 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 20:34:43 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: One of the all time worst HHs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I swear, I am not making that up. Nor am I making up the fact that the same > designer planned on covering a stairwell with tumbling mats so that the > guests could slide thru the dark and into the basement. Tumbling mats on a stairwell? Sounds dangerous! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 18:12:56 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:00:00 -0700 From: Greenrey To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Rock on! Let's rock! Yeah!" [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > SkinkSim@aol.com wrote: >> "Rock on! Let's rock! Yeah!" > I've been to discos that were many > times more frightnening than this (not to mention a couple of alleys). > aaaacckkkkkk. Hmmm... A disco theme for an HH. What is it Denis Leary says? "Hell is wearing orange, plaid bell-bottoms, while sitting next to the Bay City Rollers and listening to Andy Gibb singing 'Shadow Dancing.'" Sounds terrifying to me. And I'm sure you could make a killing, financially-speaking, of course. Patrons would be paying you to let them OUT... -- "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." --Robert Heinlein greenrey@worldnet.att.net -or- awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us Visit Greenrey's Study at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 18:14:57 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 21:07:30 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: Increased Odds - Discount Raffle Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, G-R-E-A-T news, I've got 25 entries so this first raffle will have a winner in about an hour - will post the winner's name at the Web site and Email them first, then will announce on Halloween-L this eve. In addition to Fright Lite am planning on releasing a low cost version of the Event Control Timer (ECT), sometime this summer. There is also a possible third product by Halloween but these things take time to design and produce so would prefer to say at this time, I'm not short of ideas. Jim ============================ Ref ========================== At 06:36 PM 4/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >OK Jim, > I entered your raffle!! Lets hope it is the lucky number. What is the >next product in your line of equipment? >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://www.members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 19:50:06 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 21:47:46 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 ScaryHouse@aol.com wrote: > Ok, if your working for a charity, and you find a corporate sponsor to make a > tax deductible contribution of say $15,000 to put on the show, (I'm > simplifying things a bit here.) they expect you will be putting on the event, > not just giving it to whoever the benefactor is. (snip) Keep in mind I'm looking for answers here and this is not meant in any disrespect. My knowledge of tax laws is frightfully limited so that's why I'm asking. First, are you implying that a corporation would pay for capital goods, not just advertising? I've heard of haunts getting sponsors to defray advertising costs in exchange for "tagging" the sponsor on their own ads,but I never heard of a haunt receiving money for start- up costs.The only reason I'm asking this is because I don't quite understand how the capital goods would not become the property of the corporation versus the operator. How would a corporation safegaurd against the operator selling the materials the corporation paid for (through their donation) after the haunt is over? In this scenario wouldn't the corporate donation no longer be tax-deductable because ultimately the money ends up in the operator's pocket and not benefitting charity? > > The $3 each patron is giving is not a donation. It's the admission price to > go in and be scared. If the haunt didn't exist, very few of them would stop > by to drop off their yearly $3 contribution. One thing to keep in mind is that if you are benefitting a charity some people will come to your haunt only for that reason. Granted it won't be the vast majority, but we have had more than a few show up who had never been to a haunt before but always support their charity events. The only reason I bring this up is that it is important in how you advertise how your haunt. For example if you are a fundraiser (vs. a non-profit) don't state that "all proceeds benefit charity x ". Many of these charity supporters who attend will want to know how the funds are allocated. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 20:43:53 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:41:28 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: stolen room idea Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think you would be safe using the foam peanuts (good idea btw!) but you don't want to let too many accumulate on the floor or it will become too sllliipppeerrryy ;) Good luck, sounds like your off to a great start :) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat Apr 19 20:49:07 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:45:30 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Fright Lite Discount Winner Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Congratulations to CLIFF MARTIN who has won a 50% discount on a Haunt Master Products "Fright Lite". As this discount raffle is ongoing, be sure you enter again (past winners may also reenter). Just email a new page count number, and only ONE entry for each raffle please. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://www.members.aol.com/hmpi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 07:22:41 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:59:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: L.E.D.s Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Sorry I'm not following too well. Did you use part of your garage door > motor or electrical on your FCG? I thought that the power that runs the > lights for the eyes on the FCG was the radio frequency of the voice > sound coming from the amp. If its not, I feel really stupid. Of course, > not as stupid as I would as if I blew up everything I've scrounged up to > make my ghost over the past five weeks! Sorry for the confusion Wil. I did not go the full route on building the FCG's The only electrical I used was the motor and the eyes. The transformers were used in place of a battery for the LED eyes. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street llund179@aol.com __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 Voice: (516)-231-8790 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 09:53:42 1997 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:48:17 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: L.E.D.s Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Sorry for the confusion Wil. I did not go the full route on building the > FCG's The only electrical I used was the motor and the eyes. The > transformers were used in place of a battery for the LED eyes. > > Larry Thanks for the input Larry. So you used an electric garage door opener for your motor to the FCG? How did that work out? Did it go too fast or burn up? What is the rpm of your motor? If it was too fast, how did you slow it down? I am trying to use a 10 rpm, and am concerened it will be too fast. Please estimate if you don't have an accurate figure. I am actually about to step into my garage in the next ten minutes to begin the assembly of mine after weeks of collecting parts, so this is very timely information. Thanks. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 12:24:23 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:22:53 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Not the Milton Bradley game. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In Gatlinburg, TN, there is a place called World of Illusions, er something like that. . . It's pretty cheesy wax museum type displays, but at the entrance (you see this gadget, which makes you buy the ticket!) there is a white fog tornado! It really is neat, but unfortunately, its 'within' a structure. No solid walls or panels: you can stick your hand in it and make it break up. It twirls in the middle of maybe 6 or 8 pipes/columns, and it was approx. 4' tall. A fan at the top caused the currents, and a small circle of holes in the base 'leaked' the fog. The columns looked like they had a line of holes drilled down them, creating an invisible vapor barrier. The continuous twister danced and whirled and was illuminated from above with a strong pin spot. Very effective, and mezmerising! 8^) This is the closest thing to a 'shaped fog' effect that really resembles a human/ghost-like form. (Not that a smoke ring couldn't resemble a really round person. . .) Anyone else seen this? Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 12:24:24 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:22:56 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: No-touchy(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just to clarify things (for myself?) The 'NO TOUCH' rule is followed to avoid prosecution for sexual assalt. Haunted house people have gone to jail for it. -Wait a minute, I feel a subtle ascent to a soap box coming on. . . People have been 'felt up' in houses, and this is not a good thing. Let's look at why a worker would want to touch someone in a haunted house: 1) They want to get punched. 2) The room design is weak, so physically assaulting someone 'spices things up'. 3) The 'grabber' is disturbed and gets-off from inappropriately groping people in the dark. 4) The patron didn't scream, so why not 'grab or slap' a scream out of 'em! Foam peanuts, and 'air' probably won't be found in many haunt sexual assalt court cases! :) IMHO, on a broader scale, there is nothing particularly 'haunted' about creating REAL 'fear of physical bodily harm' in patrons. This is not entertaining. This is upsetting. 'Touching' breaks that "fourth wall" as it's called in theatre, and violates a critical trust between patron and entertainer. So, comparatively, yeah, toss some foam peanuts at the folks! (I'm gonna try to think of a way to adapt it to my haunt, now!) Another technique that is perfectly innocent, but might not be 'perceived' as such, is the use of garden hose attached at ankle level in dark hallways. The curved, flexible hook shape really feels like someone is grabbing you as you pass by. By the way, 2 years ago, I got a call from a concerned mother who had gone through my haunt the previous night. Another male patron in their same group (a stranger), apparently may have acted inappropriately while going through with this mother and her small daughter. She wasn't entirely clear, and wasn't really upset- mostly concerned and wanted me to beware this 'stranger', should he appear again. My staff knows not to touch, but in this case, a patron may have! (you can't be too careful!) No part of my haunt is completely dark, and folks are observed throughout, so I doubt much, if anything could have happened, but the very thought disturbed me greatly! -as I'm sure it would all of you. Just something to think about. (Make sure your little ones are watched.) The dangerous dirty old man, usually doesn't look like one at all. One last thing. Shaved white bead foam used as 'snow' got into a performers eye, and really 'burned' and irritated. Does anyone know if the foam peanuts might irritate eyes? (I suggest keeping your peanuts clean. Do you plan on sweeping crushed, stepped upon ones up off the floor, and dumping them onto the next group? In the dark, they won't blink, cause they won't see it flying at their wide-open eyes!) Got soap box in my eyes, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 13:11:31 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:05:20 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Not the Milton Bradley game. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > In Gatlinburg, TN, there is a place called World of Illusions, er something > like that. . . > It's pretty cheesy wax museum type displays, but at the entrance (you see > this gadget, which makes you buy the ticket!) there is a white fog tornado! > It really is neat, but unfortunately, its 'within' a structure. No solid > walls or panels: you can stick your hand in it and make it break up. It > twirls in the middle of maybe 6 or 8 pipes/columns, and it was approx. 4' > tall. A fan at the top caused the currents, and a small circle of holes in > the base 'leaked' the fog. The columns looked like they had a line of > holes drilled down them, creating an invisible vapor barrier. > The continuous twister danced and whirled and was illuminated from above > with a strong pin spot. Very effective, and mezmerising! 8^) > This is the closest thing to a 'shaped fog' effect that really resembles a > human/ghost-like form. (Not that a smoke ring couldn't resemble a really > round person. . .) > Anyone else seen this? I have also seen this, it's the only part of the museum I enjoyed. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 14:31:48 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:24:54 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Not the Milton Bradley game. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-20 15:21:23 EDT, you write: << It really is neat, but unfortunately, its 'within' a structure. No solid walls or panels: you can stick your hand in it and make it break up. It twirls in the middle of maybe 6 or 8 pipes/columns, and it was approx. 4' tall. A fan at the top caused the currents, and a small circle of holes in the base 'leaked' the fog. The columns looked like they had a line of holes drilled down them, creating an invisible vapor barrier. The continuous twister danc >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- This interests me.... Could you give a more elaborate description on how you think it works and how the typical list member might make one? You actually saw it and have the best chance of engineering a simple version. jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 14:40:47 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:35:10 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: No-touchy(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-20 16:31:48 EDT, you write: << One last thing. Shaved white bead foam used as 'snow' got into a performers eye, and really 'burned' and irritated. Does anyone know if the foam peanuts might irritate eyes? (I suggest keeping your peanuts clean. Do you plan on sweeping crushed, stepped upon ones up off the floor, and dumping them onto the next group? In the dark, they won't blink, cause they won't see it flying at their wide-open eyes!) Got soap box in my eyes, Oliver >> ------------------------------------------------------ Jerry’s response: I don’t know how you will solve the "dirty" peanuts problem. This is an excellent observation for concern. But I can help on the burring peanuts. They make some now that you can EAT because they are made from whip starch. Kind of like the snack food of blown cheese pufs but without the cheese flavor or coloring. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 16:10:58 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:33:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: The Night Gallery Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone know what happened to the web-site called: "THE NIGHT GALLERY" ?? My last few attempts have been received by "Unable to locate...." I know he was doing an overhaul on the site, but did he move it?? I hate to see a work like that go under... John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 19:29:29 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:28:56 -0700 Subject: Not the Milton Bradley game. To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Oliver's account of the tornado effect) for some reason, that tornado effect is becoming popular. The movie THE ROCK had it inside the emergency lab, and our local amusement park Knott's Berry Farm has placed one of those tornado machines inside their new Windjammer rollercoaster. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 20:03:05 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:52:35 -0400 From: "leonard.pickel" Subject: Re: No-touchy(long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ---------- > Date: Sunday, April 20, 1997 3:22 PM > > Just to clarify things (for myself?) > > The 'NO TOUCH' rule is followed to avoid prosecution for sexual assalt. > > So, comparatively, yeah, toss some foam peanuts at the folks! (I'm gonna > try to think of a way to adapt it to my haunt, now!) > My only problem with peanuts, other than having to pick them up, is flammability. Have you thought about rubber roaches? Lobed over a wall into a kitchen scene could be quite effective. And the ones that the patrons take home to brush out of their hair latter, is an added bonus. New to the list, Leonard leonard.pickel@mci2000.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 21:41:06 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:04:36 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: No-touchy(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (snip) >Have you thought about rubber roaches? Lobed over a wall >into a kitchen scene could be quite effective. And the ones that the >patrons take home to brush out of their hair latter, is an added bonus. > >New to the list, >Leonard >leonard.pickel@mci2000.com > There is a thought! (Driving home..."Honey, what's that in your hair?") Several places can get those in bulk. Check with your local Novelty store first, they should not be much for the amount you would need. (Welcome to the list Leonard:) ) John. ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 22:17:01 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:10:35 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Night Gallery Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------613F31E16DE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Here's a letter I got from Kevin Greggain, the webmaster of the Night Gallery. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews --------------613F31E16DE7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from eagle.wbm.ca (eagle.wbm.ca [198.169.186.100]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA14436 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from kevin.wbm.ca (lan187023.wbm.ca [198.169.187.23]) by eagle.wbm.ca (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29650 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:27:57 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970211102446.00696a58@eagle.wbm.ca> X-Sender: kgreggai@eagle.wbm.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:24:48 -0600 To: bandrews@inreach.com From: Kevin Greggain Subject: Web Page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My email (as listed above) is still valid, but my website http://www.wbm.ca/users/kgreggai/index.html is gone.. I could not maintain it anymore because of a severe lack of time. ****************************************** From the electronic desk of Kevin Greggain c/o WBM Office Systems 601 2nd Avenue North Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada S7K 2C7 (306) 664-2686 extension 250 Home page : www.wbm.ca ****************************************** --------------613F31E16DE7-- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 20 23:06:44 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: What we did for Halloween '96 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:00:59 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi all, Just joined the list - I didn't realize there were SO many people obsessed with Halloween the way we are! I feel right at home. Anyway, we've been doing the HH thing for five years now. It seems we've been getting bigger and better every year, and we do the "can you top this" thing. Thought I'd describe what we did last year. We host a Halloween party for 50-60 people on the Saturday before Halloween, which we use to "bug-test" the haunt. Then we open the whole thing to the public on Halloween night - we had between 1000-1200 people, and it was written up in the local paper. Our house layout looks like this, and we use the entire outside, front and back, and the two-car garage: Driveway | | [Exit] | [Entrance] | ^ | v | +|^ |---+ | v | | ^ | +-| v |-+ | ^ | | v | House | ^ | | Garage v | | ^ | | v | | ^ | | v |------------\ /-----------+ | | | v | \----/ ^ | +----------| v|-+ > > > > > > > > > > > ^ | | v > v ^ | | > > > v ^ | | v ^ | | > > > > > > > > | +-------------------------------------------------------+ We put a facade over the entire front of the garage, made out of three 4'x8' drywall walls, painted and shingled to look like an old house. The facade includes a shingled roof which sticks out away from the house about two feet. Each 4x8 section is free-standing, built with a base which folds up into itself. All three sections are bolted together. A 4'x4' covered porch is used as an entry way to the HH, and lets us do some crowd control. Each of the last three years, we've turned the garage into a single room scene, built out with 4'x8' dry-wall panels. For Halloween 96, this room was a fully animated haunted living room (if anyone wants details, I'd be glad to provide them). This last year, we turned the garage into a murder scene, complete with a crazed escaped felon (live actor),police lights and audio, overturned furniture, and lots and lots of stage blood. The escaped felon jumped into the set from the wings, and confronted those walking through the scene while carrying a severed head and using a trick butcher knife effect. The audience walked along the front of the scene, which was separated from the walkway by yellow crime-scene tape. Audience response was good, especially when our actor acted his craziest. Stepping out of the garage, our guest were immersed in gray and black castle walls, made out of 4'x8' panels again, this time in black fabric painted in white and gray. These panels were used throught the entire back of the house, both on the right and left sides. The entire roof of the traffic pattern was covered with black plastic, thereby enclosing the guest in a complete experience. In most places, the walls were 4' or less apart, enhancing a feeling of claustrophobia. We've had several people who have been here year after year tell us that they had no clue about where they were in our haunted house, even though they know our house and yard layouts very well. After stepping out of the back of the garage, guests were surprised by an automated hatchet and scythe, both of which were operated by air cylinders. The hatchet traveled a somewhat horizontal path at about head level, stopping just short of where the guest was standing. The scythe pivoted from overhead, and traveled a vertical path. Both devices were timed, and each had a pin spot shine on their blades when they were at full travel. A small blast of air accompanied the movement of the blades, simulating close contact. There were also speakers by each device, playing sampled screams when the devices were in motion. Turning left after the blades, our guests came into our mad scientists lab. We had four 5gal plastic water bottles sitting on a table about 48" tall. Three of the bottles had rubber masks w/hair submerged in them. The masks had balloons filled with water to expand them and keep them under water. The fourth bottle, which was between the others, had a live head in it. The actor sat under the table with his head through and inside the bottle (the bottle actually had most of the back cut out so the actor could breathe). The actor had a microphone with him which was routed through some serious delay effects, and came out through a speaker set under the table.12v outdoor lights with red filters showed on each bottle. In addition, a white light shone on the bottle with the live actor when the actor pressed a foot switch. As the guests wandered by looking at the bottles, our actor would scream and yell and turn on the light. We had bubbling colored water set up on the back wall, and miscellaneous lab equipment hung up. This is a very effective scene, one we've done two different years, and always gets a lot of screams. Our guests then walked through one of the long hallways, surrounded by castle walls with dim lighting. They passed by a wooden doorway, complete with a rattling gothic door knocker. Ahead was a small jail cell, containing a skeletion hung on the left wall, and covered with cell bars. Looking through the bars, our guests could see our "living latex" wall, which had two skulls pushing through. The latex was painted to match the castle walls, and blended into the background. The skulls alternated pushing into the latex about 3" inches. With lights shining directly down on the wall, excellent 3-D shadows were created, and the skulls were visible from several feet away. Turning right at this jail cell, guests walked onto a bridge (after first getting a blast of compressed air from above) which spanned our in-ground jacuzzi. Our 8'x8' jacuzzi was turned into another jail cell, once again fronted with cell bars, and contained an electric chair with a dummy we affectionately call "Herman". The raised bridge (about 12" above the spa) gave an excellent separation between the guests and the cell. The electric chair effect contained an air cylinder which shook Herman, a small fog machine which pumped smoke out of Herman's head, and a Tesla coil which provided excellent sound effects and that wonderful smell of electricity. Turning left again after Herman, our guests descended the ramp, and were enclosed in dry-wall walls decorated like an interior hallway. The floor was covered in carpet. Ahead and to the right is a full length mirror surrounded by a gold frame. A pin spot lit the area directly in front of the mirror. As our guests walked up to the mirror to inspect their costumes, SURPRISE!. Our actor, standing behind this two-way mirror, activated a switch which turned on the light on his side of the mirror while dimming the light in front. He was dressed like he arose from the grave, complete with a shredded suit and peeling makeup. As he switched the light, he acted as if he was coming through the mirror, and growled/groaned using a microphone hanging from above. Another terrific effect, many surprised people on this one! Finally, passing the mirror, our guests made their way through what we call the "gauntlet", basically the side of our house completely enclosed in black plastic, filled with fog, with a very intense strobe light pointing right in their faces. In addition, we had two actors in that area, slapping the deck and shaking cans, and saying boo. Needless to say, the lack of vision, plus the strobe, plus the environment, gets many screams. Overall lighting effects include strobes, 4' blacklights, and par64 cans with gel filters. We use three fog machines, including two heavy- duty models. One large one is used to fog the front of the house, and does a very good job. Some of the animation is done with electric motors, others are done with air cylinders. All of the sound effects are computer controlled via midi to a sampler. All of the air cylinders are controlled via midi to a midi-dmx interface, and then to a 0-10v device controller switching relays. All of the lighting effects are also controlled via midi to that midi-dmx interface, and then to dimmer packs. The entire event is controlled from a laptop PC running Windows95 and a program I wrote. Midi messages are sent out the parallel port, through a midi interface, then onto the stuff described above. We all know it's a lot of work, but it sure is worth it when you can get everyone from a 14 year old boy to a 60 year old woman to scream. I think that's my goal in life :-) We are starting the preliminary thought process for Halloween '97, and look forward to sharing some ideas with you all. We are always on the lookout for new and exciting ideas... Happy Haunting, Bob and Tina From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 05:02:17 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:49:06 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did for Halloween '96 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:00 AM 4/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, >Just joined the list - I didn't realize there were SO >many people obsessed with Halloween the way we are! >I feel right at home. Hi Bob & Tina, I thought I recognized that last name. Welcome to the list and thanks for the excellent write up on your house and party. Denny PS. It is an obsession but fortunately not a treatable disease. ;) B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 06:27:28 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:02:35 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Complete H.H. Book? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey All, A good number of people on the list have Tim Harkleroad's The Complete Haunted House Book on order with TBD. I want to apologize for the continuing delays in getting copies. I talked to Tim once again this past Saturday, he was very apologetic to all who have been waiting and assured me initial printing delays were over, TBD's order was going out and should be here this week... everyone's orders will go out immediately. I'm hopeful. :( I have removed advertising for the book from our site and stopped taking additional orders until they're in hand. Thanks for your patience, Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 06:27:28 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:24:29 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: More on the twister Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Could you give a more elaborate description on >how you think it works and how the typical list >member might make one? I can describe it more. . . (but you'll have to engineer it!) The whole structure reminds me of a big hour glass, like the witch had in the Wizard of Oz. (so we've come full circle, back to flying monkeys. . .) You've got the top, the bottom, and several vertical supports. In place of the glass and sand, you've got the twister. I would think the exact dimensions could vary, as long as you get the right air dynamics going. (LIKE the milton bradley game, play with it!) This one was around 4-5' tall. The base composed maybe 2' of this, and contained the fog device. (unseen). The top and bottom was about maybe 18" in diameter. The base having maybe 50+ small holes in a circle to 'seep' the fog from. The top having a 5" hole for the fan (perhaps like the ones recently discussed in the fog chiller conversations) and a little spotlight, behind the fan I think, to illuminate the fog. By the way, the whole structure was black, and the walls of the room it was placed in were black also. This gives contrast to the white twister. ___________ IXXXXXXXXXI ______top/(fan and light inside) IXXXXXXXXXI !! !! !! !! !! !!______pipe/columns !! !! !! ___________ IXXXXXXXXXI IXXXXXXXXXI ______base/(fogger inside) IXXXXXXXXXI (this ascii drawing also doubles as a scale rendering of my haunted house floor plan) ;) The real mystery to me is the columns. I thought they merely supported the top. However, I noticed a single row of drilled holes down one side of these 1" pipes, presumably for an additional means of air current manipulation. I couldn't feel any 'breeze' from them. And there were too many to 'plug up' to see any alteration in the twister! I figure as the fan draws the fog upward (much like an exaust fan over a stove's boiling pot of water), the column holes may help create more 'twist' all the while containing the fog to the center of the structure. (?) The whole operation of it was mostly silent, unlike the wounded dinosaur/crazed lion type growling that they really have in 'real life' as heard in the movie 'Twister'. I can't get any more specific, because there would be further error, which I think should now be shifted to 'trial and. . .' Wish I remembered more, or had taken a picture. :( Anyone, anyone? Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 06:32:59 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:22:23 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Faux flaming Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >My only problem with peanuts, other than having to pick them up, is >flammability. Have you thought about rubber roaches? Which one burns faster? ;-) Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 06:34:18 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:04:58 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: No-touchy(long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Leonard, the idea of roaches is a really good one!! You can buy bags of small ones from places like Oriental Trading Company and places like that for cheap!! And I really like the idea of people taking some friends home in their hair!! think of the screams!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 06:35:26 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:25:16 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Not the Milton Bradley game. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > this gadget, which makes you buy the ticket!) there is a white fog tornado! I'm working on a device that produces sort of an inverted tornado effect, but is not enclosed at all! Early results are VERY encouraging! -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 07:15:16 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:06:30 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Faux flaming/and banter on top of that Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:22 AM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >>My only problem with peanuts, other than having to pick them up, is >>flammability. Have you thought about rubber roaches? > >Which one burns faster? >;-) > >Oliver Hey Oliver, In recent lab tests live roaches burn at the same rate as Styrofoam but were much harder to light. They work cheap. Who's this Leonard guy? Will you vouch for his credentials? ;) Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 07:15:20 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Jacobs ladder Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I put together some pictures and text on building a simple jacobs ladder. You can see them on my home page: Thats hallween not halloween. Follow the link on that page. I hope this helps you Kathy. Larry _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street llund179@aol.com __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 Voice: (516)-231-8790 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 07:19:20 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:46:09 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did for Halloween '96 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >The latex was painted to match the castle walls, and blended into the background. The skulls alternated pushing into the latex about 3" inches. With lights shining directly down on the wall, excellent 3-D shadows were created, and the skulls were visible from several feet away.< Welcome Bob and Tina, It sounds like you have a death grip on Halloween!!! Your haunt sounds great...now about the skullls and the living wall...how did you push the skulls?? some of us talked about this last year and we were trying to work out how to push them without having a person doing it?? Glad to have you with us Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 07:43:22 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:38:40 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: What we did for Halloween '96 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:49 AM 4/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:00 AM 4/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi all, >>Just joined the list - I didn't realize there were SO >>many people obsessed with Halloween the way we are! >>I feel right at home. > >Hi Bob & Tina, >I thought I recognized that last name. >Welcome to the list and thanks for the excellent write up on your house and >party. >Denny >PS. >It is an obsession but fortunately not a treatable disease. ;) Denny, I'd say it's "trick or treatable" but not cureable :-> Jim ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi0000,0000,8080 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 07:44:49 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:34:11 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: cars uphill (banter) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Davis_Karen wrote: > lake wales, florida...home of 'spook hill' where the cars DO roll uphill... Been there, did that - VERY creepy! Cliff P.S. it even looks like it's going uphill when you're outside, watching the car! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 07:49:04 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:49:19 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did for Halloween '96 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer many screams. > > Overall lighting effects include strobes, 4' blacklights, and par64 > cans with gel filters. We use three fog machines, including two heavy- > are computer controlled via midi to a sampler. All of the air > cylinders are controlled via midi to a midi-dmx interface, and then to > a 0-10v device controller switching relays. All of the lighting effects > are also controlled via midi to that midi-dmx interface, and then to > dimmer packs. > > The entire event is controlled from a laptop PC running Windows95 and > a program I wrote. Midi messages are sent out the parallel port, > through a midi interface, then onto the stuff described above. > > We are starting the preliminary thought process for Halloween '97, and > look forward to sharing some ideas with you all. We are always on the > lookout for new and exciting ideas... > > Happy Haunting, > Bob and Tina Till now I thought someday I had a chance to report back to the list something exciting we did on Halloween. Now I can retire permanently from this effort to hiding the most colored eggs on Easter, cause Halloween has been done. Fini. My hat is off to you Bob and Tina. Sounds like some folks on the list such as myself will be mostly listening and asking questions for a while! -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 08:03:38 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:56:14 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did for Halloween '96 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:46 AM 4/17/97 -0700, you wrote: > some of us talked about this last year and we were trying to >work out how to push them without having a person doing it?? >Glad to have you with us >Kathy >the new kid on the crypt >mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > Hi Kathy, I can't speak for Bob and Tina's method but if you've got an air supply, a short stroke air cylinder is perfect for this. Cheap plastic skulls are perfect for living wall scenes since they don't impart any contaminants to the latex and you can sand any sharp edges off. Also- less risk of an actor getting a broken nose from some over-enthusiastic patron. I like the way latex works and looks but John Jefferies uses Spandex material for the living wall in his haunt with great success. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 08:39:41 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:08:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny and all - I just had the pleasure of meeting Tim Harkleroad face-to-face over breakfast, and had a look at his book. It's a nicely printed, handsome volume, and he told me that Philip Morris (Morris Costumes) calls it the successor to their 'How to Operate a Financially Successful Haunted House'. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I'll offer an overview at the Phanmech site when I do. Incidentally, the site has just been updated, and a few personal Halloween sites belonging to listmembers have been included in the links. You might want to drop in and have a look. If your site is not included, and you'd like me to link it, please write! The site URL is listed below, along with my aol address. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal site - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ orniske@aol.com * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 09:47:29 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: What we did for Halloween '96 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:45:16 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4E38.1A8C51F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Wow! I just looked at the message I posted and saw what a mess the floorplan looked like. Sorry. For anyone interested, I may redraw it and post it as a drawing. Happy Haunting! 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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:33:24 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4E38.03FDA1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Denny wrote: >I can't speak for Bob and Tina's method but if you've got an air supply, a >short stroke air cylinder is perfect for this. >Cheap plastic skulls are perfect for living wall scenes since they don't >impart any contaminants to the latex and you can sand any sharp edges off. We did use an air cylinder, one which had two air inlets. This was connected to a pivoting aluminum frame. One solenoid made one skull go in and the other out, while the other solenoid did the reverse. I cast our skulls from a two-part plastic casting material into a mold made from a plaster skull. The requirements for the skulls were: 1. They must be very lightweight. 2. There must be a secure way of attaching them to the mechanism. 3. They must be sturdy enough to hold up to a fair amount of pressure - to make a "good" (meaning visible with details) impression in the latex, it must be pushed in several inches. 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Fini. My hat is off to you Bob and Tina. Sounds >like some folks on the list such as myself will be mostly listening and >asking questions for a while! Thanks for the kind words... One good thing about Halloween is that a person dressed in black against a black wall is as effective as the most expensive effects! We look forward to picking up new ideas from all you folks as well. We are debating the idea of a "guided tour" approach vs. a "self-guided" one. Any opinions? 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See my post on this, if you want more details, let me know. The tricky thing is getting the most amount of VISIBLE detail in the dark (or dim light) without tearing the latex. 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I thought they merely supported >the top. However, I noticed a single row of drilled holes down one side of >these 1" pipes, presumably for an additional means of air current >manipulation. I couldn't feel any 'breeze' from them. And there were too >many to 'plug up' to see any alteration in the twister! I know over in Canada, at there scince center they have one of these set up.. It's been over 5 years since I have last been there, but if I remember it had something to do with cool air at the top, falling down, with some air in the bottem being warm {I think the fog part was done with a ultrasoinc humidfire} there's didn't have any holes in the columes that supported it. I could dig out the phone number of the place if anyone really wants it. It wasn't really a spooky thing.. If you want spooky!. The also had a table, filled with achool. Chilled and in a vacume. It was being hit with {I think} X=Rays.. Anyways, what happned was that over the achool you saw, what looked like snowflakes, falling over it. If you put your hand over the table, the "Snow" flakes, would not fall in the shawdow of your hand.. But, you couldn't see these flakes anywere but over the table. It seems that your really seeing some type of wave that is in the air all around us, and even passes thur parts of our bodys, but the naked eye can't see it. Hence the table set up, so that we could see it. The whole room was dark and werid music playing.. THAT was spooky!. ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 10:17:39 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:06:10 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunting Belmont Park - Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > Wierdly enough, as a rollercoaster maniac, I do know about the coaster > restoration and have some pieces of track and blueprints from it :) > Didn't know they had a haunted house there, where was it located? > where the parking lot is now or one of the building restored? We actually built two Haunted Houses at Belmont Park in 1976. The first, "The Original Campus Life Scream in the Dark Haunted House" (12th Annual if I remember correctly) was in Belmont's "Enchanted Land". Enchanted Land was a collection of old fun house attractions. It was an outdoor area with many small buildings houseing the fun house stuff (moving stairways, spinning barrels, slides, "the rolling waves", sliding floor planks, etc.). It suffered greatly from "light pollution" produced by the surrounding carnival rides. Immediately South of the Plunge building was the "Birthday zone" (a picnic area for birthday parties). Enchanted Land was immediately south of the bithday zone, on the beach side of the midway. The second Haunted attraction was dubbed "The All New Hall of Terror", mainly because we were able to find the letters to spell it in Belmont's junk pile. It comprised an auditorium were 100 people at a time could view the "Three Deadly Tortures" ... A hanging, a decapitation by guillotine, and (don't try this today) an electrocution where the audience got shocked instead of the guy in the chair. >From the tortures, the group had to navigate a maze of rooms featuring lots of haunted events and a twelve foot plaster alligator. The Hall of Terror was in a building located just south of the roller coaster, on the parking lot side of the midway. It originally housed a dark attraction that featured an electric cart ride through a dark attraction (Haunted Theme). I think Belmont called it the "Spook House". When Campus Life arrived, the ride was pretty much permanently out of order. The track was removed and it became a walk through. Large doors in the north wall of the auditorium led out under the roller coaster. We used the Plunge building for our actor's dressing rooms, make-up, costumes, and counting the ticket sales. The "Birthday House" was our security operations center. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 10:33:37 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:16:19 -0500 From: Dave Hediger To: halloween-l@netcom.com, halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Thanks Denny! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, Thanks for the CD set! It,s Perfect!! Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 10:35:54 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:24:51 -0500 From: Dave Hediger To: halloween-l@netcom.com, hediger@stlnet.com Subject: Re: Thanks Denny! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Hediger wrote: > > Denny, > > Thanks for the CD set! It,s Perfect!! > > Dave Sorry folks! That was supposed to be a private! Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 10:50:08 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:42:18 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:08 AM 4/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Denny and all - > >I just had the pleasure of meeting Tim Harkleroad face-to-face over >breakfast, and had a look at his book. It's a nicely printed, >handsome volume, and he told me that Philip Morris (Morris Costumes) >calls it the successor to their 'How to Operate a Financially Successful >Haunted House'... Tim's a great guy, I had the chance to meet with him at the Halloween show this year. His book is a natural, logical and nicely written next step from Phil Morris' How To Operate book and it's not all by accident. Tim has known Phil for many years as a friend and had only seen the Morris book before writing his own. FYI The Morris book has been out of print for quite awhile and the last run was sold out in January. The printer who had originally done the work lost all the plates!? Phil mentioned at the show that the delivery date had been pushed back again on the new printing and didn't add any detail. I'd hate to see the Morris book disappear but the re-printing plans seem sketchy at best when I've asked. John, have you heard anything? Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 10:54:08 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Ideas from previous years Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:54:44 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thought I'd pass along a few ideas we've used successfully in previous year's haunts. BTW, should we come up with a rating system for effects? Maybe 1 to 5 screams, 5 being the the one where you need to call the paramedics for a heart attack? :-) 1. The striped room We took half of my garage and enclosed it in 4'x8' black plastic panels which had 18" wide white butcher paper glued on in horizontal stripes. The stripes continued from one panel to another throughout the room. We had one 3' entrance, and one 3' exit. A strobe light was pointed across the room from the exit towards the entrance. Tina sewed a black and white outfit to match the stripes in the room, one which covered our actor from head to toe. The actor stood in a corner away from the entrance, and was practically invisible to the guests as they walked into the room. He could move up right in front of them without being seen. Very good response, 3.5 screams :) 2. Old Sawbones We made a slightly raked table on which layed our victim (a female actor, dressed in a white smock). One of her legs was bent at the knee, and went through the table. What was visible of her then, was her whole upper torso, half of one leg, and all of the other. We stationed another actor behind her, decked out in mad scientist garb, holding various saws, hatchets, and cleavers. Where the victim's leg went through the table, we positioned a REAL cow femur, and then slathered her, the bone, and the doctor in stage blood. As the victim screamed, the doctor hacked away at her leg bone, only about 2 feet from the flow of guests. Guests periodically came into contact with bits of flying bone and blood. The cow bone looks very realistic. Excellent guest reaction, 5 screams. 3. A living hell We took the area behind our garage, which at that time contained a small pond, and built a paper mache'/chicken wire cave. The mouth of the cave stood about 6-7' tall at it's center, and was about 6' across. We spray painted it red and black. The top of the cave was open, while the back was surrounded with dark shade cloth. The overall effect looked like a full cave, while just the mouth was really anything substantial. Just inside the mouth, we installed an air operated devil. Dressed in red satin with a devil mask, he lunged forward on a mechanism similar to the ones shown here for the jumping grave. He had arms made of chicken wire, which bounced and moved as he travelled towards the guests. The real feat was live flame. We tapped off my barbecue, and built a natural gas distrubution system using PVC pipe and a fireplace log lighter. We submersed a section of PVC in the pond. This pipe had a series of holes drilled in it. Then we set the log lighter just above the water, hidden behind some rocks. The log lighter was lit all the time. A valve was adjusted to let the gas out of the submerged pipe in large bubbles. When a bubble reached the surface of the pond, it was lit from the log lighter, giving the effect of a burning pond. A major problem was keeping the log lighter lit; too much natural gas buildup in your backyard is NOT a good thing ;). This effect sounded much better than it worked, 1 scream. 4. A talking head We made a headless dummy, and layed it out along our backyard fence. A couple of pieces of red lighting gel filter were cut in circles and layed on the deck to simulate pools of blood (this works great!). We took a styrofoam wig head, and used clay to create a lifelike man's face. We then set this head kind of floating in space next to the body. We had previously recorded a short video loop using a camcorder and vid capture board of one of my friends made up in "dead" makeup, screaming and shouting. We used a video projector to project the video loop on the front of the wig head. Sound was pumped out from behind the head. The effect was a'la Disneyland's Haunted Mansion. It looked pretty good... All of my techie friends were impressed - the general public, however, missed the point :(. Could be a good effect, 2 screams. Happy haunting! Bob and Tina From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 21 10:57:38 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: Haunting Belmont Park - Banter Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:57:15 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4E41.E84CA870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >view the "Three Deadly Tortures" ... A hanging, a decapitation by >guillotine, and (don't try this today) an electrocution where the >audience got shocked instead of the guy in the chair. I get some really snotty teenagers through our HH, I think shocking them could work! 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Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:24 PM 4/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry folks! That was supposed to be a private! >Dave Good work Dave! Your $5.00 is in the mail. ;) Denny