> not be on like a peice of plexi glass or glass.. why project the image > onto nothing.. > It all makes perfect sense to me since I've seen it. /8) The desired effect was a talking head, so we project an image on a styrofoam wig head. Ours is placed on a stump with an ax next to it. What gets projected is a videotape of a person talking. The person talking is surrounded by a black cloth so that there is no light around his head. This makes it so any portion of the image that doesn't hit the head is black & is thus, not visable. It isn't too hard to get the wig head lined up right (line up the nose first, then the eyes). Also, a white wig head was a bit bleak, so we darkend the eyes, colored the lips & lightly colored in hair. Now the projected image has a bit of contrast as well as depth. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 18:06:07 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:04:22 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Remember that "Tunnel Thing" from the expo Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Lund wrote: > > Am I the only one getting the uuencoded text file "winmail.dat" on Bob > Laviguer's e-mails to the list? I get it too. I'm thinking its an automatic attached file from the browser? Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 18:06:14 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:02:08 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Scream in the Dark Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > earlier "Scream in the Dark" Haunted Houses. They quit using the benches > when their insurance carrier said stop. A question for those in the know. What ever happened to Campus Life Scream in the Dark anyway? It was a cool haunt back in the old days in Medford Oregon where I grew up. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 18:07:50 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:00:09 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Re: Ideas from previous years (TV Projection Lens) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >It all makes perfect sense to me since I've seen it. /8) The desired effect >was a talking head, so we project an image on a styrofoam wig head. Ours is >placed on a stump with an ax next to it. What gets projected is a videotape >of a person talking. The person talking is surrounded by a black cloth so >that there is no light around his head. This makes it so any portion of the >image that doesn't hit the head is black & is thus, not visable. >It isn't too hard to get the wig head lined up right (line up the nose first, >then the eyes). Also, a white wig head was a bit bleak, so we darkend the >eyes, colored the lips & lightly colored in hair. Now the projected image has >a bit of contrast as well as depth. >roy. OK.. now i got it.. :) thanks.. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 18:57:48 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: RE: Remember that "Tunnel Thing" from the expo Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:50:34 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Am I the only one getting the uuencoded text file "winmail.dat" on Bob >Laviguer's e-mails to the list? I have written Bob privately about it but >received no answer. > > Larry Nope -- I get 'em too. I've also written so let's see who gets the reply first... :-) Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 19:02:52 1997 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: bdosfx@wimsey.com (Brian D. Oberquell) Subject: Let's play nice, people Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:50:38 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >SUNSHI1708@aol.com wrote: >> >> PLEASE STOP SENDING ALL THIS JUNK MAIL > >You stop sending junk like this Perhaps we might consider this person was subscribed without their knowing? It can happen... Just my way of saying that we should try to be tolerant -- after all, this person wasn't using any profanity or even really being rude! Brian ______________________________________________________________________________ Brian D. Oberquell The Wizard's Den SPFX Studio 210 Cornell Way Port Moody, B.C. CANADA V3H 3W2 Phone (604) 931-6298 Pager (604) 895-3721 Website: http://www.wp.com/FXWizard/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 19:47:56 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:47:10 -0700 Subject: RE: Remember that "Tunnel Thing" from the expo To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Larry, I am getting that annoying email packet as well. Bob, technology is fun, but in the meat and potatoes world, it gets annoying! anyhoo, I don't think anyone can patent the tunnel, since it was used way back at the turn of the century in funhouses.... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 20:06:00 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: FILE.EXT SoCal Halloween-Heads Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:53:48 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4F60.26F0C7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >What city are you in, Bob? am right now a weeeee bit frustrated as I >came back from Anaheim to make my usual weekday pilgrimage to >Knotts on >the way back, and it was closed :( (sigh) >You game for getting all us Socal types together for the Knotts haunt >days? Harry, we're in the city of Orange. I like the Knotts haunt, but that time of year we are pretty busy getting things ready. 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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:55:02 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4F60.2EDCAC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: SUNSHI1708@aol.com[SMTP:SUNSHI1708@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 21, 1997 7:00 PM >To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Subject: Re: More on the latex wall... >please stop sending all this junk mail to me , i am not interested Gee, isn't that a function of being a member of this mailing list? :) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4F60.2EDCAC80 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhIEAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ACgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABoYWxsb3dlZW4tbEBuZXRjb20uY29tAFNNVFAAaGFsbG93ZWVuLWxAbmV0Y29tLmNv bQAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABcAAABoYWxsb3dlZW4tbEBuZXRjb20uY29t AAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAZAAAAJ2hhbGxvd2Vlbi1sQG5ldGNvbS5jb20nAAAA AAIBCzABAAAAHAAAAFNNVFA6SEFMTE9XRUVOLUxATkVUQ09NLkNPTQADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAA AgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA0o4AQiABwAYAAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIAB AB4AAABSRTogTW9yZSBvbiB0aGUgbGF0ZXggd2FsbC4uLgB6CQEFgAMADgAAAM0HBAAWAAAANwAC AAIAKQEBIIADAA4AAADNBwQAFgAAADYADgACADQBAQmAAQAhAAAANEM0MzA2NDE5NEJBRDAxMUJG MTk0NDQ1NTM1NDAwMDAAwwYBA5AGAIADAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2 AAAAAABAADkAAJb9e/JOvAEeAHAAAQAAAB4AAABSRTogTW9yZSBvbiB0aGUgbGF0ZXggd2FsbC4u LgAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG8TvJ79UEGQ026lBHQvxlERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAA AAAAHgAfDAEAAAARAAAAYmxhdkBwYWNiZWxsLm5ldAAAAAADAAYQ6WVW0wMABxD1AAAAHgAIEAEA AABlAAAALS0tLS0tLS0tLUZST006U1VOU0hJMTcwOEBBT0xDT01TTVRQOlNVTlNISTE3MDhAQU9M Q09NU0VOVDpNT05EQVksQVBSSUwyMSwxOTk3NzowMFBNVE86SEFMTE9XRUVOLUxATgAAAAACAQkQ AQAAAP4BAAD6AQAAWwQAAExaRnVv2itg/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbD AoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzN3AuQHEwKAfQqACM8J2TvxFg8yNTUCgAqBDbELYOBuZzEwMxRQ CwoUUTUL8mMAQCAKhQqLbGkIMTgwAtFpLTE0njQN8AzQHNMLWTE2CqDrA2AT0GMFQC0e9wqHGe+u Ph2NDDAedkYDYTof9wceDQyCBgBVTlNISUAxNzA4QGEG8C4BBaBtW1NNVFA6+ST/bV0fnyCvIb8G UQIwCyMfJCtNAiBkYXksJxSwE1ADETIxLWAxOSA5NyA3OhxwIFCOTSevKL8pzyBUbysvKyQrEYBs FaB3CeEtbPxAbhHAJeEl0i7vL/8xD3EGAHViah6xMk8kK1IuZTkwLQAWECACICB0jmg7gAtgE9B4 IHc0Mc4uPLAa/xwDMzYddzZ/pxoYHnYLUGVhEbAgE8Asb3BBgAnwZAuAZyAHNDE7wQQAIGp1bmt+ IADAAxFBoEMwO4AtYGnxQlBtIG4ekEQAAjAEkLsHkBPQZAqPGh9FckcJ4PFD8XNuJwVAO9A8IEJQ LCBmQwAewGk7oW9m+CBiZUIjQ7EG0ASQSUIfQqNDQkIiHDATwD8gOv4pPO89/0BMS/9ND04fRXIF FTEAUqAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwABfbXvJOvAFAAAgwABfbXvJOvAEeAD0AAQAAAAUA AABSRTogAAAAANvm ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC4F60.2EDCAC80-- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 20:23:22 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:16:58 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Let's play nice, people Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Perhaps we might consider this person was subscribed without their knowing? > > It can happen... > > Just my way of saying that we should try to be tolerant -- after all, this > person wasn't using any profanity or even really being rude! Sorry I got so upset about this, but I feel that this is a great list. It has been very helpful to me and it made me mad that someone would call it junk. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 20:25:14 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:56:45 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK Call me the dummy, I did not realize that Tim from the cruise ship was the writer of the much talked about book. How he does it with his busy schedule is a shock to me. Well I wish him well, and I guess in that case...put me down for a book!! Have to help someone become rich and famous!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com The founder of the Deany Baby Addicts Club From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 21:14:53 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:46:04 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Eerie Entertainment... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill, that is one great site. I wish they would open one in our area...It would be nice for a change from the boring old places... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 21:45:51 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: email Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:35:43 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Larry, I am getting that annoying email packet as well. Bob, technology >is fun, but in the meat and potatoes world, it gets annoying! Gee Guys, I'm not doing it on purpose, give me a break! I changed some settings, it should have fixed things. I'd appreciate a response if it did. Bob begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C8%`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`"@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```$L`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!H86QL;W=E96XM;$!N M971C;VTN8V]M`%--5% `:&%L;&]W965N+6Q ;F5T8V]M+F-O;0``'@`", $` M```%````4TU44 `````>``,P`0```!<```!H86QL;W=E96XM;$!N971C;VTN M8V]M```#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````9````)VAA;&QO=V5E;BUL M0&YE=&-O;2YC;VTG``````(!"S !````' ```%--5% Z2$%,3$]7145.+4Q M3D540T]-+D-/30`#```Y``````L`0#H!`````@'V#P$````$`````````THX M`0B !P`8````25!-+DUI8W)O`' ``0````8```!E;6%I; ````(! M<0`!````%@````&\3Z@O]./KMVF[4Q'0OQE$15-4`````!X`'@P!````!0`` M`%--5% `````'@`?# $````1````8FQA=D!P86-B96QL+FYE= `````#``80 MYLY*``,`!Q#A````'@`($ $```!E````3$%24EDL24%-1T545$E.1U1(051! M3DY/64E.1T5-04E,4$%#2T5405-714Q,0D]"+%1%0TA.3TQ/1UE)4T953BQ" M551)3E1(14U%051!3D103U1!5$]%4U=/4DQ$+$E41T544P`````"`0D0`0`` M`+@!``"T`0``OP(``$Q:1G4;\ PB_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K M&DS-@WP"U4440OR8UD`0" ^&BT3 M4&\3T&,%!4!,"L!R>2P@2: @86T@9Q' = N .&<@=!& !4 `<&YO/GD=TA/@ M"W #( JP8VL'$< =4 0@=V5L;"ZP($)O8AT@'(%H'H#Y%:!G>1HO&S ;3QQ6 M! "0(&9U;AT@8G4CX;,#H!X092 '@!XS9!] *QQP'C!O!Y%W!;!L9+T=(&D% M0!V1!" >9B$*A;,*AR%J($<)X"F0=1.P@ 5 9/YO'=(FP0(@ M'T (<"7 $;#Q'2!G:78E$AU0)' 6$'AA:R$=,1%Q&1 )@"!^`#T``0````$` (````````) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ideas from previous years (TV Projection Lens) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Roy Leach wrote: > The desired effect was a talking head, so we project an image on a > styrofoam wig head. Ours is placed on a stump with an ax next to it. > What gets projected is a videotape of a person talking. This is something I'd love to experiment with. It sounds like you had a great setup, Roy. One question, though. How did you disguise the projector? I assume it had to be relatively close in order for the projected face to fit the wig head, and wouldn't it have to be pretty much directly in front for the angle to be right? DJ, who's dusting off her thrift store projector in anticipation From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 22:33:19 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:24:18 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Living Wall Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Where did you guys get your spandex material? A fabric store? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 22 22:53:41 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:50:42 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 'Electricuting the Patron" (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I've been thinking about this slant that's going on about shocking the haunt patrons.... While this idea is frightening, I thought perhaps the *thought* of being electrocuted may be somewhat more diabolical... The small group is informed by the tour guide that the owner of the haunt is probably actually crazy, but the haunt is really fun despite this and he works there anyway cause he needs the money. The tour continues. The smell of something burning lingers in the passageways as the tour creeps ever onward. A group of four haunt operators clearly disturbed about something suddenly rush out of a room just ahead, surrounding something and growling at each other about something in hushed but snarling tones. You can see the headsets they're wearing, they're obviously workers there and not part of the "scare". Why the commotion? The smell of burning is getting stronger. The guide calms the group saying its nothing. The big event is not too far ahead now. They've heard about it. It's the "CHAIR". Man, is it realistic, with smoke and everything. Suddenly one of the operators dressed in a t-shirt and jeans rushes up to the tour guide and abruptly interrupts the group's tour to inform the guide of something that greatly distresses the guide. Nervous and distracted, the guide trys to act calm and complete the tour but seems almost in a panic. The smell of something burning is growing stronger yet and there are muffled trashing sounds coming from the room just ahead that the operators just came out of. >From out of the darkness of the hall ahead a patron rushes up to the group very concerned about the two friends he began the tour with who have disappeared. He is frantic and sweat is covering his forehead. He is nearly shouting at the tour guide to tell him where his friends are. The guide begins to raise his voice at the young man telling him to calm down, that they're probably outside already to which the patron replies in a shout now that he had been in the lead of the group so that's impossible and spins back around and calls out for his lost friends while trying the knobs of the doors in the hall. The tour guide loses his composure, breaking from the group and attempts to stop the young man from opening the door that is now just ahead of the group. The guide of course doesn't reach him before he swings the door open, revealing two teens; a boy in a letterman's jacket and the girl in a skirt, both thrashing uncontrollably in separate electric chairs with smoke coming from their hands and heads as the concerned buddy screams in horror at his friends' torture. Determinedly, the tour guide radios for help and four other operators rush in to escort the the young man along with the group out of the room and down the hall while growling and snarling at each other as the next tour comes into view back down the hall . . . Would this be very effective as apposed to the actual shocking of the patrons? Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 02:53:32 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 05:46:55 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: 'Electricuting the Patron" (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Would this be very effective as apposed to the actual shocking of the >patrons? > I would say whatever you do, do NOT accually run any electrical current through your guests. If they are old and with metal body parts, (ie. pace maker, etc..) you can give them Heart Attacks.. HOpe this Help[s. -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 06:03:06 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:22:11 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: email Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, I don't mind your little box on the bottom of my mail....I can't do anything with it so I just consider it a graphic!!! You are a welcome member...so don't stress it!! Now about that Black and White striped room.... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 06:13:35 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:37:26 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ideas from previous years (TV Projection Lens) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com DJ, I was thinking you could hide the camera, if you have it in a outside type of set, under a phony rock. Nice base of heavy chicken coop wire, a covering of fabric stiffened fabric, and a can of paint. Instant fake rock and a cover for your camera. A little hole in the side for the lens....can't forget that! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 06:44:10 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:24:27 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: email Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer wrote: > Gee Guys, > I'm not doing it on purpose, give me a break! I changed some settings, it should have fixed things. I'd appreciate a response if it did. > > Bob > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode Nope, it didn't fix it, as you can see. -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 06:44:37 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:36:46 -0700 Subject: Re: 'Electricuting the Patron" (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To give a fake electric chair effect, a fog machine, little strobes over in various places plus a sizzlin g electricity sound effect. Death Lord: that was THE funniest setup for an electric chair room! I am saving that one in our tome of book ideas. Very clever idea. I could not stop laughing for a while. You made my day :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Harry in your alley [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 09:26:44 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:02:48 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 'Shocking the Patron" /Messin' with their minds ... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: > I thought perhaps the > *thought* of being electrocuted may be somewhat more diabolical... > In the old "Scream in the Dark" they didn't use tour guides. They just metered groups of people into the house, one after the other. The first room was usually a dark maze. At the end of the maze, "Screamers" were inserted into the crowd flow. These were usually young ladies with amazing lung power. Their job was to keep everyone on edge by reacting, loudly, to the monsters they encountered. In 1975, the last room of the San Diego house was the lagoon. In an outdoor area, a pool was constructed with short panels and an above ground pool liner. A "dock" was built over one edge of the pool, and a partition wall overlapped about two feet of the pool at the back. Using potted palms, cattails, and various other plant material, the pool was disguised and the whole area was made to look like a swamp. A small rowboat (actually next to the pool) appeared to be floating in the reeds. Fog (Mole Richardson Fog Makers), lights, and sound completed the effect. As the patrons finished their trip through the haunted house, they had to cross the dock to exit. The swamp beast, in the pool, but under the dock waited for its prey. When a screamer arrived with a group of people, she would be relieved the scare was over. While crossing the dock, she would bend down to get a closer look at something floating in the water ... near an open section of railing. The swamp beast, with a loud roar, and a lot of splashing' would rise up, out of the water. He would grab the screamer, pull her sreaming into (and under) the water. The monster and his prey would never surface. (They both would swim out under the back partition wall.) The patrons would run screaming from the haunted house. They had been told the monsters wouldn't touch them, and they weren't to touch the monsters. Yet one of their group (nobody knew for sure who she was) had become dinner for the swamp beast. Not everyone got to see this happen, since it only happened once every 10 minutes or so, but everyone knew it happened to some friend of some friend that somebody knew. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 09:54:38 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:52:45 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Complete H.H. Book (brag) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Kathy speaking of our beloved Tim): >How he does it with his busy schedule is a shock to me. Well, he IS on a ship. Where's he gonna go??!!!!! :-) (gloating) I actually have #0003 of his book, numbered, signed and inscribed with a warm personal message by the author. ;~> Nyeh, heh, heh. . . Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 09:54:44 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:52:49 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: mmm-hmm. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Derek)>Sorry I got so upset about this, but I feel that this is a great list. >It has been very helpful to me and it made me mad that someone would >call it junk. I know, Derek, I know. It made me mad too. It made ALL of us mad, didn't it folks? But it's over now. Everything is gonna be just fine. Like it used to be. . . . now put down the mower blade. :)Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 10:38:34 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:32:08 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: W-w-w-wat-t-terrr Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (about the lagoon scene): >would grab the screamer, pull her sreaming into (and under) the water. Man, you couldn't pay me enough to get into any water during frosty October in North Carolina. A guy approached us one year to erect his dunking booth in the chilly parking lot of our event. (No way!) -It would have been more horrific and gruesome than one of those electric chair displays! Brrrrrrrrrr. Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:00:16 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:51:26 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: email Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >>Larry, I am getting that annoying email packet as well. Bob, technology >>>is fun, but in the meat and potatoes world, it gets annoying! > >Gee Guys, >I'm not doing it on purpose, give me a break! I changed some settings, it >should have fixed things. I'd appreciate a response if it did. > >Bob > >Attachment converted: Hard Disk.:WINMAIL.DAT (????/----) (00008644) Nope, cause attached to the mail was the WINMAIL.DAT file. It seems that your mailing is automaticlay attching files to your messages. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:03:57 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: One more time... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:36 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok folks, One last time to see if I can post a message which causes less grief. If this doesn't do it, I guess I'll just sit back and listen. Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:28:02 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:06:45 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book (brag) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:52 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > >(gloating) I actually have #0003 of his book, numbered, signed and >inscribed with a warm personal message by the author. ;~> >Nyeh, heh, heh. . . >Grim and Grinning, >Oliver Tim's no fool. The first 500 books were all number 0003 with a warm, personal message. The second 500 were number 0002. ;) Denny PS. I can't wait for 0001 to come out! ;) B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:45:30 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:26:08 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: W-w-w-wat-t-terrr Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > (about the lagoon scene): >would grab the screamer, pull her sreaming > into (and under) the water. > > Man, you couldn't pay me enough to get into any water during frosty > October in North Carolina. Luckily the weather is a little warmer in Southern California. Sometimes we even get into the 80's and 90's in October. We did try to keep the water warm, and the swamp beast got to wear a wet suit (lotsa surfers in San Diego consider anything warmer than the ocean bath water). The screamers each brought several changes of clothes, and had a nice warm dressing room to change in. Each screamer took the plunge maybe four times a night. The swamp would probably not work well "Up North", Hmm ... How about the "Ice Fishing Beast"? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:50:22 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:16:26 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Off the Subject Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com To: Southern California Woodworkers and Furniture Builders. I'm working on a plan to upgrade the sound system at my church. Part of that plan includes building an operating position in the sanctuary. I figure I'll need to shorten at least two of the wooden pews, and build a matching wood console to house the mixer, tape decks, light board, and various other gear. The console will need to be able to be secured to prevent equipment theft, strong enough for someone to stand on top (someone will some day), and be designed and finished to match the wood in the rest of the church. It will need to hide lots of wire and cable, and provide for heat to escape from the equipment. What kind of talent am I looking for, and where should I look to find it? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:55:53 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:46:38 -0400 From: "J. Bentley" To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: One more time... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer wrote: > > Ok folks, > One last time to see if I can post a message which causes less grief. If this doesn't do it, I guess I'll just sit back and listen. > > Bob Hi Bob! As far as I can tell the attachment does not negatively affect anyone or their mail program. Maybe I'm wrong, but I say don't worry about it. With or without it keep posting. Jack "O'Lantern" B. -- CEO/Owner DesignMasters, Inc. - Woodstock, GA http://www.dmwc.com Helping you make your mark in the on-line World From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:56:07 1997 From: Gregory Edwards Subject: Re: Off the Subject To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I do not notice anythink about the quality of the workmanship you need for this. Most finish carpenters and many framing/rough carpenters can do what you want, but for the highest quality you might want to talk to some cabnetmakers and compare their work. Greg Edwards > > To: Southern California Woodworkers and Furniture Builders. > > I'm working on a plan to upgrade the sound system at my church. Part of > that plan includes building an operating position in the sanctuary. I > figure I'll need to shorten at least two of the wooden pews, and build a > matching wood console to house the mixer, tape decks, light board, and > various other gear. The console will need to be able to be secured to > prevent equipment theft, strong enough for someone to stand on top > (someone will some day), and be designed and finished to match the wood > in the rest of the church. It will need to hide lots of wire and cable, > and provide for heat to escape from the equipment. > > What kind of talent am I looking for, and where should I look to find > it? > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 11:58:02 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:49:56 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Denny's Advertising Spam-O-Gram Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey All, Sorry to post this to the list but my wife sez I need to start telling people about the toll free number if I ever expect it to ring. TBD has started a toll free phone line, for orders only- (888) 830-9561. For non-orders, inquiries, flames, shootin' the breeze or if you talk really slow please use the regular number- (630) 830-9561. Either of the above numbers has a darn good chance of being answered from 7:00 am. to 5:30 pm. CST., Mon. thru Fri. and most Saturdays, as long as- a. it's raining out b. the battery in the Hog is dead (good bet) Mr. fax machine, who can't stand many more falls to the floor (thanks Hoover), is still at- (630) 830-9577 24 hours. Forget the company cell phone number since the phone, my daughter and my Jeep are always missing at the same time. Thank you for letting me indulge upon your time, Denny PS. Hoover, shop dog= 75 pounds of pure muscle and jaws, no brains. B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 12:15:33 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:13:01 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book (brag) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Denny jabbing deserving braggart) The second 500 were number 0002. ;) Accccckk! I am wounded. The pen IS mightier! Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 12:38:32 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:28:10 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Home Depot just delivered $700 worth of lumber to my house for this year's halloween projects. I also bought a storage shed to store of this year's projects and that @#*&@ space-hungry cemetery fence. Also, our local Wal-Mart has outdoor spot light lamps on sale for $2 each, marked down from $9.98. I can't resist a bargain. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 13:01:34 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: One more time... Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:54:40 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer , Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:36 -0700 >Ok folks, >One last time to see if I can post a message which causes less grief. If this doesn't do it, I guess I'll just sit back and listen. Hi, Bob! It worked fine this time. (Except for the text being one long single line, which is becoming increasingly common as people use email clients with auto-wrap.) My hunch is that your mail client "helpfully" puts its settings back to default each time you exit. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 13:44:41 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:42:09 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: W-w-w-wat-t-terrr Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >would grab the screamer, pull her screaming into (and under) the water. That's a very good scare indeed. I that would have scared the sh-- outta me. Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 14:17:46 1997 From: The Youngs To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Oliver Holler'" Subject: RE: Complete H.H. Book (brag) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:14:48 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (gloating) I actually have #0003 of his book, numbered, signed and inscribed with a warm personal message by the author. ;~> Nyeh, heh, heh. . . Grim and Grinning, Oliver Keep it up Oliver and you won't be Grinning for much longer. Hey, I'm Canadian eh! And I know how to use a hockey stick. Jacqui From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 14:39:45 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:30:13 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book banter/(brag) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:13 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >(Denny jabbing deserving braggart) >The second 500 were number 0002. ;) > >Accccckk! I am wounded. >The pen IS mightier! > >Oliver > Don't mess with me Oliver while I'm trying to sign Tim's autograph and a dang perky personal note in all these "collector's edition" books. My wrist is cramping up. ;) Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 15:40:46 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:37:42 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ideas from previous years (TV Projection Lens) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > From dejay@midwest.net Tue Apr 22 22:44:09 1997 > > Roy Leach wrote: > > > The desired effect was a talking head, so we project an image on a > > styrofoam wig head. Ours is placed on a stump with an ax next to it. > > What gets projected is a videotape of a person talking. > > This is something I'd love to experiment with. It sounds like you had a > great setup, Roy. One question, though. How did you disguise the > projector? I assume it had to be relatively close in order for the > projected face to fit the wig head, and wouldn't it have to be pretty > much directly in front for the angle to be right? > > DJ, who's dusting off her thrift store projector in anticipation > We hid it behind a tombstone. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 16:49:46 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Housing Too? How 'bout a swamp? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:59:44 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui wrote: >some time maybe say three months worth of treatment, so I'll need a place to >stay, so kind of you to offer Bob :-) >Thank you,,,oh yes do you have enough room for the kids, with me as a Mom I >can pretty much guarantee they need help too. Well Jacqui, I've probably got a spare coffin or two around, but inside boarding is pretty limited... We've got two little ghouls of our own. But with the weather so nice, outside accomodations wouldn't be TOO bad :-). Maybe we can make a swamp, and you guys could be our resident swamp creatures... hehe Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 17:02:35 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:56:12 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: mmm-hmm. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > (Derek)>Sorry I got so upset about this, but I feel that this is a great list. > >It has been very helpful to me and it made me mad that someone would > >call it junk. > > I know, Derek, I know. It made me mad too. It made ALL of us mad, didn't > it folks? But it's over now. Everything is gonna be just fine. Like it > used to be. > > . . . now put down the mower blade. Why are some people so stupid, this guy had to subscribe to the list at some point, I didn't subscribe him and I don't know why anyone would. Did he subscribe and forget? . . . strange From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 17:46:00 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:44:31 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 'Electricuting the Patron" (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > Death Lord: that was THE funniest setup for an electric chair room! I am > saving that one in our tome of book ideas. Very clever idea. I could not > stop laughing for a while. You made my day :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Thanks. If I had a haunt I'd do this. The idea of mixing "real employees" into the actual scare makes my skin crawl. The idea of the swamp thing taking a screamer under the water and her not coming back up is about truly gruesome also. I love this type of scare. You don't have to 7 years old to never forget a scare like that. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 17:50:31 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:45:18 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ideas from previous years (TV Projection Lens) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-23 03:45:07 EDT, you write: << t isn't too hard to get the wig head lined up right (line up the nose first, then the eyes). Also, a white wig head was a bit bleak, so we darkend the eyes, colored the lips & lightly colored in hair. Now the projected image has a bit of contrast as well as depth. roy. >> ---------------------------------- UM.... I don’t mean to make trouble but... If you paint the lips, It would ruin the effect of the mouth talking. Was this a slip of the key strokes? jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 18:14:05 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:11:40 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Ideas from previous years (TV Projection Lens) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > From Spookyfx@aol.com Wed Apr 23 18:04:26 1997 > > In a message dated 97-04-23 03:45:07 EDT, you write: > > << t isn't too hard to get the wig head lined up right (line up the nose > first, > then the eyes). Also, a white wig head was a bit bleak, so we darkend the > eyes, colored the lips & lightly colored in hair. Now the projected image > has > a bit of contrast as well as depth. > roy. >> > ---------------------------------- > > UM.... > I don’t mean to make trouble but... > If you paint the lips, It would ruin the effect of the mouth > talking. Was this a slip of the key strokes? > > jerry Ar you tyring to say my typng needs sum help? The coloring on the lips was very light & provieded a much needed depth. Yes, the projected image's mouth would move past where the paint, but it wasn't really noticable. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 18:24:35 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:22:20 -0700 Subject: Re: 'Electricuting the Patron" (long) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, if you don't mind, I hope to keep your electric chair stunt for usage out here in a couple of years, when our haunt is ready. If you ever get round los angeles, drop me a line. saw a swamp creature stunt in a Chamber of Horror haunted house back in 89. small kiddie pool in a dark corner with palm and ferns and whatnot hiding the monster kid in there. Sort of a mini forest setup with the monster coming out to attack. Too bad they didn't use the dock trick though.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 18:36:32 1997 From: The Youngs To: "'Halloween List'" , "'Bob Laviguer'" Subject: RE: Housing Too? How 'bout a swamp? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:22:59 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Boy can't a Canadian who's just thawing out get a break around here. A swamp you want me to stay in a swamp, forget it, it's the coffin or nothing. Jacqui ---------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 18:54:46 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:49:17 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > (snip) > Thanks Kathy, it's the high point of my day. > Don Bertino the all knowing List Lord and C.E.O. of Extension Cords-R-Us >...... Hey I have a product you might be intersted in.It's a cordless, rechargeable,battery operated extension cord.Send $19.95 to Haunted Scam Productions,Logger's Breath Canyon......... ;) Sorry, I couldn't resist ;) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 19:44:05 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:39:19 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: What we did for Halloween '96 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Bob Laviguer wrote: >(snip) > We are debating the idea of a "guided tour" approach vs. a "self-guided" > one. Any opinions? > Opinions? Why sure, what if I told you I have a solution to increase safety and security,while decreasing vandalism,controlling flow rate,and enforcing the "no contact" rule for less than a $10.00 investment? Stay tuned..... JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 20:17:38 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:10:56 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 'Electricuting the Patron" (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Wil, if you don't mind, I hope to keep your electric chair stunt for > usage out here in a couple of years, when our haunt is ready. If you > ever get round los angeles, drop me a line. I'd be honored to spark an event in your haunt. And I'd LOVE to see this _executed_ with full staff. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 20:36:15 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:23:58 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Guided vs.Unguided (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I personally think that the ultimate way to scare a victim would be to have each individual go through a haunt alone.....I don't think anything could match this in terms of providing a sense of vulnera- bility. However this would not be a very practical set up. Even if you are setting up a residential haunt and not charging money, I doubt the people waiting in line would appreciate the long wait. So that leaves you with putting through groups at a time. What's the best way to accomplish this for optimum effect:guided or un- guided? Ok, here are some personal observations: Unguided- A lot of the commercial haunts are unguided walk throughs. Nothing beats having to find your way through a dark unfamiliar sett- ing in creating a sense of vulnerability. This is also the most economic- ally feasible set up if you have a very large haunt. It's hard to put a 1000+ people through an hour with a guide. However there are some disadvantages. First and most importantly is lack of control. The patrons are on their own so there's loss of control of where they go, how they will react, interaction between customers and actors, and of course timing. Some groups will run through, while others (such as me) will go through very slowly trying to take every- thing in. This can cause some problems with the actor's ability to "time" a scare properly. You will have to design your haunt with these problems in mind. Secondly is the security factor. Alot of commercial haunts I've been through have security gaurds posted everywhere (and for good reason!). This is a way to make up for the loss of control.The only problem with this ,IMHO, is that it is somewhat of a double edged sword. It reinforces to the customers that you are serious about safety,vandalism,etc. but it is also a constant reminder that the haunt isn't "real" and thus taking away from the vulnerability factor. I even once attended a mega-haunt where the security gaurds were literally standing only feet away from many of the actors, sometimes even in the actual scenes. This, for me, somewhat ruined the overall effect. Guided- some of the best haunts I've been to have been guided. This set up definitely provides more control and can reduce many of the security risks. There are many disadvantages of course. One of the problems is with actor ability. In most of the really good guided haunts that I've attended the guides have been superior actors. They become an integral part of the show and without their narration,embellishments,etc., alot of these haunts wouldn't have been as enjoyable. However I for one, have a hard enough time recruiting enough really good actors for my scenes, let alone a dozen or so for tour guides. The second major problem is in how many people can travel through the haunt at one time. In most cases guides will slow down your flow rate and cause much longer waiting lines. So what did we choose? Stay tuned..... I think many will find our system useful (IMHO) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 20:58:03 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:46:50 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re:see ya Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey all, I got some sort of bad news. We are currently trying to move into our house and the phone line at this apartment is getting disconnected this Friday. It is getting transferred to the house. This means I might not be able to talk for the next few weeks. That is all. Mike PS> I wanted to say that I like the idea of cast members in the audience. I have an idea wich involes an actor in the cast. This is the story............. I modified this off of a haunted hayride at our Six Flags in Houston. On this hayride, the theme was pirates, headhunters, whatever and a headhunter grabs a girl off of the hayride(I think that the person is REALLY a member of the audience though and they give him/her a sign or something) and takes her away. That is it. Here is my version.............. This can be used on a hayride or not. It takes place in a voodoo room or whatever and in the first part, a headhunter takes away an actor, who struggles. Then in the next scene, you hear screaming and then the headhunter comes out and places a shrunken head on a tree that is full of shrunken heads!!!! Sort of cheesy but just an idea. I like the swamp one better, that one would personnelly scare the hell out of me. Well gotta go. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 21:05:18 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:56:03 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Bob Andrews wrote: > Home Depot just delivered $700 worth of lumber to my house for this > year's halloween projects. I also bought a storage shed to store of > this year's projects and that @#*&@ space-hungry cemetery fence. > > Also, our local Wal-Mart has outdoor spot light lamps on sale for $2 > each, marked down from $9.98. I can't resist a bargain. > -- OK Bob what are you cooking up this year? It's going to be awfully hard to top the Cemetery Fence. ;) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 21:31:47 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:01:12 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: One more time... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, It worked, and even if it didn't you could still post to me!! I don't mind that on the bottom. Glad you are staying with us. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 21:40:50 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:07:05 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, Maybe you had better rent a larger storage shed!!! You are really adding to the stock. I wonder how much you can build before they require a graveyard permit!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 21:49:30 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:09:12 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: What we did/banter-banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >It's a cordless, >rechargeable,battery operated extension cord.Send $19.95 to >Haunted Scam Productions,Logger's Breath Canyon......... ;) JD, Is this the same place that sells Metric crescent wrenches? They work great! ;) John--Joining in on the fun :) ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 21:49:34 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:42:01 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: "Human Tram Car Effect" (very long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well for starters we didn't have a choice. I wanted a walkthrough haunt but since we couldn't afford to sprinkler our haunt the F.I. insisted that we provided "trained guides". "Trained" meant that each guide knows all the evacuation procedures at every location in the haunt and carries a flashlight in case of such an emergency (the flashlights are kept hidden and only come out in emergencies). In our haunt the guides for the most part are not part of the act. Their role is downplayed as much as possible. They dress in monk's robes (one size fits all) and their make-up is very simple (white base with black highlights). They are sort of quasi-grim reapers (without the scythes) or as we call them "Death". They never say a word (unless forced to by an emergency) and even their movements are very slow and deliberate. We even practice having the guides walk together to attain an equal pace. The idea behind this is to have the customers forget they are with a guide once they enter. As the customers are about to enter our haunt they are greeted by the host/hostess. The host is very personable yet stern, and does not wear a costume. It is this person's job to convey all the rules as well as set the mood (i.e. telling them they won't make out alive etc.). The groups consist of 6 patrons to each guide. Aside- I've seen other haunts attempt sililar situations by having each tour group go through with one hand on the person's shoulder in front of them. This works to some degree but the problems I have observed are that whenever anyone gets scared the natural reaction seems to be to pull their hands toward their body. This slows progress somewhat as the members regroup. Also I don't think some people are very comfortable touching strangers. Now here's the beauty of our system............ Instead of touching the person in front of them,all our patrons (are you ready for this technological marvel?) grab a rope. Yes a very simple section 8 ft. section of thick braided rope! The guide carries the front of the rope and each succeeding member of the group grabs a portion. The host/hostess tells each group that they must hold on to the rope at all times. They are told if their hands leave the rope, they leave the house. Here are some of the advantages we have observed with this system: Costs & Security- Since the tour is guided at all times no patron is ever "unchecked" at anytime. We saved money since we have replaced paid security positions with volunteer tour guides. We have one uniformed police officer posted next to the ticket booth to both protect the cashier and to force everyone entering our haunt to notice them. If we have a really rowdy group come in our host/hostess will make the following comment,"You probably noticed the uniformed police officer as you came in. They are here for a reason. If you get out of line, you not only will be prosucuted, you will be arrested on the spot." Seems to work every time. Timing & traffic flow- our guides control the rate of traffic flow by gently tugging on the rope so the rate is constant. The groups never stop at anytime. We can put a group through every 45 secs if we need to. This also helps our actor's timing. Since the rate is fairly constant their is less chance for an actor to be caught "off gaurd". "No Touch Rule" & Vandalism- We have noticed that when our patrons get scared they tend to grab the rope harder rather than let go. This also eliminates the customers from touching our actors,sets,props etc. It also helps to prevent any ill mannered actor from touching a patron since they would have to deal with a very compact group rather than a lone individual. Yea, but how does it affect the scare value? The most important question. Well I've had college fraternity football players come out wimpering so in our case it didn't seem to hinder the fear factor. We had zero complaints of people being touched (actors or customers) very little damage to our sets, and no one was forced to leave early (a few extra warnings now and then was it). So for us this system worked out really well. I doubt it would work in a very large haunt but for small to mid-sized haunts we haven't found a better system. Btw- if you would like to purchase the "Haunted Guide Rope" they are available for $19.95 from Haunted Scam Productions.......Warning! There are currently 16 patents pending for this product and my lawyers are ruthless so NO COPYCATS!!! Jus' Joshin' ;) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:03:25 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:28:49 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Complete H.H. Book (brag) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Oliver, Better be careful...you never know when someone might come and borrow it...What was the name of that cruise ship again....hey tim!!!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:12:33 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:59:22 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Guided vs.Unguided (long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I remember that "Terror on Church Street" in Orlando seemed to reach a happy comprimise between both methods. For the majority of the house, you're on your own -- but certain rooms and sections had actors who had more control over the group. You would go thru several rooms with "boo scares" and then interact with a more articulated actor. It seemed that these actors were responsible for controlling the real flow thru the house. I think if you need/want security guards within your haunt - you could probably find a way to incorporate them into the action. Give them simple cloaks, or perhaps even grisly faces. Have your guide or an actor warn the guests that the "Death Guards/ The Watchers/ Maniac Cops / etc" are watching their every move, bwa-ha-ha-ha. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:15:01 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:47:20 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: see ya Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Mike, Hurry back, the graveyard is not the same without you...or was that the swamp... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:19:43 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:43:41 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > ey I have a product you might be intersted in.It's a cordless, > rechargeable,battery operated extension cord.Send $19.95 to > Haunted Scam Productions,Logger's Breath Canyon......... ;) > Sorry, I couldn't resist ;) > JD John, You are to late, I already bought one of those. And it came with it's own plug in!!! Now what I need is a clear blue invisible transpartent paint that shows up only when you use it. Will look for it at scams R us!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:44:23 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: the swamp thing Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:08:36 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com That swamp creature/screamer idea's really got us intrigued... I think we could use our spa as the water feature. We're still debating the guided vs. non-guided thing though. I can make a case for both ways... hmmmm... Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:44:26 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Guided vs.Unguided (long) continued Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:30:02 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thanks John, for the input... Interesting approach with the rope! We've done the unguided approach for the past 5 years with good success. Our actors have provided most of the security, and the hosts at the entrance were able to control timing somewhat. We definitely had some backlog at the entrance, especially when we let everyone take a break. Other than a couple of kids pounding on our jar-with-a-live-head-in-it, some kids swinging around pillow cases full of candy (yes, we do this on Halloween night), and an obnoxious 10 year old actually punching me in the stomach, things go pretty well. We have not had any (knock on wood) vandalism or theft. But the idea of a guided tour really intrigues us. After reading some of the stuff posted here, like the swamp thing and the electric chair accident, I'm thinking maybe we should go that route. We some very talented out-going friends who could fill the bill as tour guides... hmmmm... Our complements go out to david schwend (whether it was his idea or not) for the description of the swamp with the dock. Tina and I both agree that this would scare the hell out of most anyone. Gotta work on that. :-) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 22:44:23 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: flow control? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:11:47 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jdolan@titan.iwu.edu wrote: >Opinions? Why sure, what if I told you I have a solution to increase >safety and security,while decreasing vandalism,controlling flow rate,and >enforcing the "no contact" rule for less than a $10.00 investment? >Stay tuned..... >JD Let's see, I think you can pick up a used cattle prod for about $10... :-) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 00:18:00 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:11:32 -0400 From: William Wallace <104221.2540@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: What we did/banter To: "INTERNET:halloween-l@netcom.com" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, If you are really looking for a paint that only turns blue in the Black light and lloks white during the daylight hours I have a place that carries a whole line of paints like that, no kidding involved here. Evil Erik From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 01:12:46 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:08:24 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-24 03:15:29 EDT, you write: << Kathy, If you are really looking for a paint that only turns blue in the Black light and lloks white during the daylight hours I have a place that carries a whole line of paints like that, no kidding involved here. Evil Erik >> ------------------------- Hi Erik please post the information and phone number if possible.... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 01:15:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:06:55 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Human Tram Car Effect" (very long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-24 02:02:37 EDT, you write: << s ever "unchecked" at anytime. We saved money since we have replaced paid security positions with volunteer tour guides. We have one uniformed police officer posted next to the ticket booth to both protect the cashier and to force everyone entering our haunt to notice them. If we have a really rowdy group come in our host/hostess will make the following comment,"You probably noticed the uniformed police officer >> ------------------------------------------------- Jerry's comment: About off duty police... Is it different for each city? I called fountain valley's main station (I live down the block from them) and they seemed very annoyed that I would ask. They have a NO moon lighting policy and they led me to believe that most other area are the same. I could swear we (when I worked for fundraising groups ) had hired police. I was surprised, and a little upset, but oh well, paid privet ARMED security is cheaper and I can DIRECT them as an EMPLOYEE a little easier. Still I would prefer the off duty police.... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 01:38:49 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:30:23 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: ...hands are the devils playthings... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com OK I just developed an interesting method to make foam "hands" which can be used for "dummy’s" or body part effects etc. I wanted to use a foam hand for my version of the trash can trauma. I just finished it, the remote control works great, I can get 46 activation’s on one onboard tank of air. (120 psi with a working psi of 20) I actually did the math and came up with 50 activation’s, but of coarse there is always a loss somewhere, so I think I did pretty dam good... Anyway I was all set to break out the Ultra CAL and take a mold of my hand. But I was feeling more creative than energetic. (too lazy to do the plaster work and all the baked latex work.) I decided to design a cheap and easy expanding foam (the home depot kind) hand with a disposable mold. Use a tight fitting rubber surgical glove. use several layers of carwax on the glove to act as a release agent. turn the glove inside out and put it on your hand (sounds yukyer than it feels...) Use strips of duct tape to make a tight fitting tape layer over the glove. Get around the fingers and thumb. Make sure the tape layer is thick and stiff. You will need to slit the glove in an appropriate place to get your hand out. Tape the slit shut. You now have a rubber/cloth mold of your hand. with a waxed interior. Pour some water in the glove and dump it out. This is to create a humid environment for the expanding foam. Inject just enough foam to half fill each finger. Let that set. and repeat a little foam at a time giving each layer time to set. This may take a day or so. once the entire glove is foam filled and set you can cut the mold and peal off. You will be amazed at the results. NOT perfect, but good for such a simple process. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 01:47:55 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:40:35 -0700 From: Dokktor To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Guided vs.Unguided Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com One of the best guided haunts I went through. You followed an actor made up as a wolfman. He was never real close just ahead of you. When you first entered the house. You spotted him at the end of the hallway ahead of you. He motioned for you to continue. This set the tone pretty quick for you to follow him. He had when required red glowing eyes so you could kinda tell which way down the hall to go. Only problem or fun part was that as you went down pitch black hallways the walls were being shifted behind you to make it impossible to retreat and also it allowed them to open up other sections of the house. The main problem I saw with this house was first off they didn't enforce the no touching rule. As several times when they shifted the walls and you got turned around someone. would grab you and point you in the right direction. The other problem was that they had to reset after every tour went through so their flow rate was low. For my personal favorite I prefer the mostly unguided tour. I like to linger a little bit and check out the scenes. But I also like at points for the actors to help you move along to the next scene. Just my 2 cents. Keith P.S. Hopefully buying a house so I can put up my Haunted Halloween displays again. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 05:53:55 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:25:32 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Guided vs.Unguided Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Ghouls, I was reading a couple of sites with haunts and the idea I like is the guide/no guide idea. They start out with a guide, then they get to a room with only one obvious way out....the guide vanishes!! So the next room or two they are left on their own. Then they hit a room that has a guide. And this idea continues. The rooms with the guides are ones with things that can be taken, or that needs human help to work. The ones without guides are dark with sound or light effects only, and very easy ways to get in and out. This is also a faster way to use the guides because they just go backwards and pick up the next group while the first one is doing their own thing. For those who wonder what we are doing this year. The guides are going to be dressed as movie ushers to go with our theme. They will stick with the group until the end...the Wolfie is going to get hungry...Send them out screaming RIGHT?!?!?!?!? That is my two cents worth. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 05:57:07 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:29:22 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Guided vs.Unguided (long) continued Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Bob, We have noticed a line starting (something we never thought our little house haunt would have ) so we devised something to keep them busy. We have a big blank wall that is right before the place where they will start their haunt walk. So again to stick with the theme I am going to take Blk.and white stills from the classic movies and post them (under a sheet of plastic ) with note cards. This way they can read about the movies and get a idea of what is going to happen to them inside. Also for the Parents that send the kids in they can read it. If you keep them busy they have less chance to get bored and cause trouble!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 06:04:16 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:32:02 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Evil Erik, thanks for the help on the paint. I already have some, I was just trying to give these guys a tease...I guess I did not go far enough....But if you want to post the people who carry it their might be someone who does not have it!! Thanks Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 06:53:25 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:47:19 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > OK Bob what are you cooking up this year? It's going to be awfully hard > to top the Cemetery Fence. ;) > JD John, I'm, uh... going to be topping the cemetery fence--with new skull finials. Also, I'm going to have a horse-drawn hearse, a haunted pipe organ, flying crank ghost (workshop with Don Bertino on May 18th), Scott Axworthy flying ghost, projected ghosts, tons o' tombstones, and several crypts, and software to control the whole thing. And this year I'll actually get to use all of the lighting and audio equipment I bought for last halloween, but ran out of time to set it up. Uh-oh, I'm committed now! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 06:58:38 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:49:51 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Guided vs.Unguided (rant) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com SkinkSim@aol.com wrote: > > I remember that "Terror on Church Street" in Orlando seemed to reach a happy comprimise between both methods. For the majority of the house, you're on your own -- but certain rooms and sections had actors who had more control over the group. You would go thru several rooms with "boo scares" and then interact with a more articulated actor. It seemed that these actors were responsible for controlling the real flow thru the house. > (snip!) Did we go through the same haunt? My trip through 'Terror on Church Street' was dissapointing, at best. The 'host' wasn't scary, just abusive - with behavior warnings presented as threats. We were told to keep BOTH hands on the shoulders of the person ahead of you, "If you do not, you will be ejected". Nice. We were left completely on our own to wander through *completely* dark corridors. The only interaction was about 'halfway' through, when a ghoulie appeared to offer a quick exit for the really frightened. What frightened? The only thing the 'actors' did was to sneak up on you from from behind and yell/scream "get out!" "run!" in your ears. Well, yeah, it scared me a couple of times, but really, after 20+ screams, you knew what was coming... sigh... The sets were OK, what I could see of them, since it was almost completely dark. I think the designer put a lot of work into some of the sets, but it was extremely difficult to see... sigh... I was looking for *any* of the sets/actors shown in their really cool full-color glossy brochure, but they were nowhere to be found! Rating: three sighs... I guess I felt let down after all the wonderful 'hype' about the show... JMHO Cliff "Its just my opinion, I could be wrong..." -Dennis Miller From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 06:58:44 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:51:18 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Hey Bob, > Maybe you had better rent a larger storage shed!!! You are really > adding to the stock. I wonder how much you can build before they require > a graveyard permit!!! > Kathy You need a graveyard permit? -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 07:04:25 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:59:24 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Security -Was: Human Tram Car Effect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > Still I would prefer the off duty police.... > Definitely prefer police to any other security! They are more of an 'authority' figure, and can get help faster than a 911 call! "Officer needs assistance.." You might want try the sherrif's office. We have sherrif's deputy-s stop by our haunt during setup to offer their services! Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 07:45:06 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:34:49 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Human Tram Car Effect" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-24 02:02:37 EDT, you write: > > We saved money since we have replaced > paid security positions with volunteer tour guides. We have one > uniformed police officer posted next to the ticket booth to both > protect the cashier and to force everyone entering our haunt to notice > them. If we have a really rowdy group come in our host/hostess will > make the following comment,"You probably noticed the uniformed police > officer >> > ------------------------------------------------- > > Jerry's comment: > > About off duty police... > > Is it different for each city? Yes. > I called fountain valley's main station. They have a NO moon lighting > policy and they led me to believe that most other area are the same. > > I could swear we (when I worked for fundraising groups ) had hired police. > > I was surprised, and a little upset, but oh well, paid privet ARMED security > is cheaper and I can DIRECT them as an EMPLOYEE a little easier. > > Still I would prefer the off duty police.... > > jerry Check if your city or COUNTY has AUXILIARY or RESERVE officers. These are usually volunteers working part-time for the department who have been trained and CERTIFIED as law enforcement officers. If they are available, this could be a better deal than some private security companies I've come across. Deputy Dinosaur From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 08:08:42 1997 From: sao@mit.edu To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:55:44 EDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, halloween-folk! I've been having progressively more complex halloween parties in the last few years. (You can see a few photos at http://cascade.mit.edu/halloween/ ) So here's an idea I'm considering for this year's party, and I thought I'd bounce it off the ever-creative halloween people! I live in a two-story apartment. Party starts downstairs, people collect in the kitchen, as always. But when it's getting to be uncomfortably crowded downstairs (maybe 10:30 or so) the aliens land! Cue the subwoofer sound effects from upstairs, and put the washing machine on "Spin" with a load of bricks, so the whole house shakes. :^) We go upstairs to "investigate," and come down with the announcement that a spaceship from Alpha Centauri has attached itself to the docking port on top of the house, and invites everybody up for a tour! This encourages people to move upstairs, where the rooms are dressed up as parts of a spaceship! Ideas for room decoration include.... - Observatory (black walls, black light and flourescent stars everwhere) - Engine room (Pulsing red light, low throbbing noises) - Gallery of specimens collected from around the galaxy - Bridge (Playing techno dance music??) So this gives a nice "flow" to the party, by providing expansion space at the right time, and also carries the theme forward. Any ideas, either for - How to have a spaceship land on top of the house, or - How to decorate rooms to look like part of a spaceship? Thanks for your thoughts! "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 08:08:47 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:50:07 -0500 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > > Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > > Hey Bob, > > Maybe you had better rent a larger storage shed!!! You are really > > adding to the stock. I wonder how much you can build before they require > > a graveyard permit!!! > > Kathy > > > You need a graveyard permit? > > -- > Bob Andrews > bandrews@inreach.com > http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews Tell you what, Bob. You get Aunt Bessie buried in there NOW and they'll almost HAVE to give you that permit! (retroactive) Guy in our town didn't want to give up a huge chunk of his pioneer family's farmland property to Eminent Domain so it could be developed into a shopping center, new roads, etc. (seems he wanted to sell it for the same reason but HE would keep the money) So, he filed to turn it into a cemetary since they DID have some pioneer graves on part of it. They're still fighting over it. Kinda hard for the govt. to order digging up bodies that are already in the ground! Karen P -- Please remove XXX from email address when replying. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 08:22:05 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:10:06 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Security -Was: Human Tram Car Effect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CTMartin wrote: > > Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > > > Still I would prefer the off duty police.... > > > > Definitely prefer police to any other security! They are more of an > 'authority' figure, and can get help faster than a 911 call! "Officer > needs assistance.." > You might want try the sherrif's office. We have sherrif's deputy-s > stop by our haunt during setup to offer their services! > > Cliff Aren't we the nicest folks in the whole county? Gertrude Smith Mississippi Co. Sheriff Dep't. (plug!) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 08:26:30 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:15:42 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Flame Retardant Materials Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com This is an unsolicited, shameless plug for two of Terror By Design's products: FlameCheck-N flame retardant and TBD's Web Shooter Fluid. The fire retardant, FlameCheck-N, is an excellent product! It passed the "Recommended Practice for a Field Flame Test For Textiles and Films" from the National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA). Its a 12 second flame test, basically. (Much thanks to Oliver's Haunted Attraction Mag. for the procedure) After 12 seconds of a flame on a piece of cotton treated with FlameCheck-N, only 1.8" was burned or scorched. (Passing the NFPA test means less than 4" vertical has been scorched or burned.) FlameCheck-N is easy to use and apply - better than other solutions I've used. NOTE: -->> FlameCheck-N is intended for natural fibers only. <<-- I attempted the same test on the Web Shooter Fluid. I used a 'thread' of the cured fluid about 1/8" thick, applied a flame, and all it did was shrink! It did have a few 'droppings' but they did not carry any flame. (again, this passes the NFPA test procedure - with the difference that I couldn't use a 1/2" wide minimum cloth sample). Also, the web shooter design is far safer than other similar products - TBD added a rubber 'safety edge' to the fan blade. Thought you might be interested.... Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 09:12:29 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:00:54 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Human Tram Car Effect" (very long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > Btw- if you would like to purchase the "Haunted Guide Rope" they are > available for $19.95 from Haunted Scam Productions > JD > jdolan@titan.iwu.edu That is a really great idea John. This would be comforting to the very frightened, like a stair rail. Not to mention busy hands are hands not grabbing props. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 10:00:34 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: Guided vs.Unguided (long) continued Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:44:36 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >start their haunt walk. So again to stick with the theme I am going to >take Blk.and white stills from the classic movies and post them (under a >sheet of plastic ) with note cards. This way they can read about the >movies and get a idea of what is going to happen to them inside. Also Kathy, The photo idea is pretty cool, but our entry is kept pretty dark ( a couple of blue floodlights with leftover street light spill). We've got a facade which comprises the entry point to our haunt, and we fog it up pretty well. Last year we had a couple of ghouls hang out in the fog and approach people from behind. 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I'd like to hear more... sounds like a cool thing. 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M%#0!````$ ```%24H< I?Q ;I8<(`"LJ)1<>`#T``0````4```!213H@```` #`!9B ` end From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 10:23:40 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:59:59 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Proctors wrote: > Kinda hard for the govt. to order digging up bodies > that are already in the ground! > > Karen P Down in San Diego, in the Old Town Area, there is an old cemetary. Outside the walls, as they exist today, there are white crosses, painted on the street and sidewalk, that mark where graves were located using ground radar. When the city widened the street, they just paved over part of the grave yard. Also, in the greater Los Angeles area ... I work for an electric utility. Several years ago, while our crews were digging trenches down the middle of a street to install underground electric distribution, the trencher tore thru several caskets and dumped the contents in the street. The street was within 100 yards of a cemetary fence, that had been moved many years earlier to make room for the road. The city moved the headstones inside the fence, but left the caskets in the ground. The remains were returned to the caskets, repairs made, and the trench was covered over. The line was moved to bypass the old cemetary boundary. BTW: The remains in the caskets dated from the early 1900's and were still well preserved. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 11:29:22 1997 From: BUSH134@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:16:19 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Andy, To decorate the interior of a spaceship, you may want to use parts form model kits glued to the wall. This gives the room a hightech look, like all the control panels in a spaceship. I got this idea from the book "How to operate a finacially successful Haunted house" I am not sure how good this will look but just an idea. Start with this. Mike From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 11:30:03 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:17:24 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com