Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer wrote: > Bob, > I keep hearing about your award winning cemetery fence. Is there a > description of it posted in the archive? I'd like to hear more... sounds > like a cool thing. > > Bob Laviguer I've got pictures of it at http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews/fence.htm . If you want to know anything specific about it, feel free to e-mail me. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 11:37:17 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:23:23 -0700 From: Bill Douglas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Human Tram Car Effect" (very long) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > /*stuff snipped*/ > I called fountain valley's main station (I live down the block from them) /* more stuff snipped */ > > jerry I was just wondering what HH this was? -- Bill ----------------------------------------- Don't bother sending me your theory on the creation of the Cosmos, I'm only the electronics engineer. ----------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 11:37:35 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:06:52 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, You had better have zero plans for a social life...you are going to be building from now until Halloween night!!! What great fun. Will you have it up before or keep it up after halloween??? I would love to drive down and take a look at it first hand? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 11:41:18 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:09:38 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Security -Was: Human Tram Car Effect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ghouls, Our local police force here will hire out officers who want to make a few extra bucks. They sign up at work if they are interested in doing some extra hours and you pay the bill. A real policeman and not a "rent a cop" will get a lot more respect. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 11:57:05 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:25:51 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, Bob's fence is not just cool!! It is GREAT!! And I have seen some of the stuff close up and he has done a fantastic job!!! And he does it with things you find anywhere. Not all the techno stuff that you have to go hunt down. Check out the pictures on his web page. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 12:01:39 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:24:13 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Materials Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob and Ghouls, We better be careful with all our good reports on Denny's products...He will go big time on us and we will never be able to get anything!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 12:37:37 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:33:41 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Materials Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kudos to Denny for selling such a worthwhile > product. We got one and used it last year, and now we're able to eliminate > all those $.99 ugly packaged cobwebs. What a COOL device! I feel like I > work in a prop department at a movie studio! > > Excellent, TBD, keep up the good work! > Bob May I inquire as to the celaning of the cobwebs then afterwards? The .99 cent kind not only look lousy, but the cleaning of them afterwards is nearly impossible. I put these around the front door of the house, on the windows and the trees, but spend unreal time trying to get them off. I would be interested in the web shooter for nothing other than easier cleaning if that is the case. But from the thought of how the shooter must work, it seems that it would be nearly impossible to clean up afterward. What's your experience with this? Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 12:43:10 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:38:58 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Bob, > I keep hearing about your award winning cemetery fence. Is there a > description of it posted in the archive? I'd like to hear more... sounds > like a cool thing. > Bob Laviguer Bob, you'll find it at: http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 12:54:39 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:46:37 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I've got pictures of it at http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews/fence.htm > . If you want to know anything specific about it, feel free to e-mail > me. > > -- > Bob Andrews > bandrews@inreach.com > http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews > Nice car. Oh, I'm sorry, I was supposed to be looking at the fence? All I can say with my tongue lying on my desk is: Uh, WOW! I feel so cheap & dirty now. Sooo unworthy! The only thing that makes me feel better is knowing that you probably had a helluva time storing it, but I guess with the new shed, even that's not a problem. Sigh, well I just bought a house so perhpaps I can attempt something along those lines, but I doubt it would come out as nice. Great job! roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 13:47:43 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:37:14 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Materials Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:24 PM 4/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >Bob and Ghouls, > We better be careful with all our good reports on Denny's >products...He will go big time on us and we will never be able to get >anything!!! Thanks Cliff, Bob and Kathy for the very kind words. Don't worry Kathy you know darn well my ultimate goal in life was to be scooter trash when I grew up. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 13:52:26 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:42:01 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Materials Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:33 PM 4/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >Kudos to Denny for selling such a worthwhile >> product. We got one and used it last year, and now we're able to eliminate >> all those $.99 ugly packaged cobwebs. What a COOL device! I feel like I >> work in a prop department at a movie studio! >> >> Excellent, TBD, keep up the good work! >> Bob > >May I inquire as to the celaning of the cobwebs then afterwards? Hi Will, The base fluid has an extremely low dry tack so..... If the webs are shot from about 4 or 5 feet away so they hit the target dry, you should be able to shop-vac off anything that doesn't pull off by hand. Denny From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:12:31 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:41:49 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David, I think there was a movie made that sounds a lot like that!! How terrible to move the headstones and not the graves. Makes for a interesting theme... Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:23:00 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:10:05 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Hey Bob, > You had better have zero plans for a social life...you are going to be > building from now until Halloween night!!! Yeah, zero social life. Why should this year be different? ;-) >What great fun. Will you have > it up before or keep it up after halloween??? I would love to drive down > and take a look at it first hand? > Kathy Yes, I should have it up the weekend before Halloween, through the weekend after. C'mon down! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:27:30 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:19:11 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Roy Leach wrote: > Nice car. Thanks! It's a 1996 Saturn SC2 with 30,000 miles on it. I have a 53 mile (one way) commute. > Oh, I'm sorry, I was supposed to be looking at the fence? All I > can say with my tongue lying on my desk is: Uh, WOW! I feel so cheap & > dirty now. Sooo unworthy! The only thing that makes me feel better is knowing > that you probably had a helluva time storing it, but I guess with the new > shed, even that's not a problem. Sigh, well I just bought a house so perhpaps > I can attempt something along those lines, but I doubt it would come out as > nice. > Great job! > roy. Thanks! I'm half-way through building the shed. The fence has spent the last 6 months taking up half my garage. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:30:09 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:59:38 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Materials Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, We played with ours the other day and all we did was wipe it up like silly string!! It was so easy and so quick. I have bags of the darn other type...I think I will donate them to the local kids to do their houses. Worth every penny I spent on it!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:47:13 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Halloween Lumber Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:45:33 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Excellent fence Bob! And all the other stuff you've done. No wonder you need $700.00 in lumber alone! Yep, this list makes me feel right at home. Maybe it's all in the name... Bob Laviguer From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:47:15 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Materials (cont) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:31:11 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: >May I inquire as to the celaning of the cobwebs then afterwards? The .99 >cent kind not only look lousy, but the cleaning of them afterwards is >nearly impossible. I put these around the front door of the house, on >the windows and the trees, but spend unreal time trying to get them off. >I would be interested in the web shooter for nothing other than easier >cleaning if that is the case. But from the thought of how the shooter >must work, it seems that it would be nearly impossible to clean up >afterward. What's your experience with this? The good thing about having a lot of my stuff outside is that the cleanup is easier. With the cobwebs, not only do they look real, they act real. So when we had a bit of wind come up, it just blew them away. For the most part, removing every trace of them would involve about the same amount of work as removing the store-bought kind - but the look is WAY better. -Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 14:55:08 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:50:37 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: When do you have time.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com When do most folks out there have time to go see other hants? Usually, we're busy every night up 'til halloween trying to finish up each effect. That means we don't have time to go visit other haunts around the area. Also, when do you have halloween parties? The same time constraints apply. Now, maybe that's because I'm a programmer & I'm use to trying to fix bugs up to the time that the FedEx driver shows up... roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 15:17:53 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:03:06 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: > > David, > I think there was a movie made that sounds a lot like that!! How > terrible to move the headstones and not the graves. Makes for a > interesting theme... Yep ... Poltergeist. The one that had so many of the cast die unexpectedly after they were done. When that incident with the line crew happened, the first thing that came to mind was the movie. Best scene in the movie is during the rain storm when all the caskets start surfacing and opening up to empty their contents. The attacking tree was pretty good also. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 15:33:39 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:21:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:59 AM 4/24/97 -0400, SkinkSim@aol.com wrote >I think if you need/want security guards within your haunt - you could >probably find a way to incorporate them into the action. We had one off-duty officer who would sit at the werewolf banquet table - in uniform - and pretend to be taking part. We do visibly station officers in certain areas on busier nights. Some officers like to run around _in_ costume, too - but they're not acting as security. For several years, one of the first scenes in our house would have a number of tempting props in reach - and a security officer looking over the top of the wall. Usually, just finding out that someone was watching them when they reached out for one of those tempting props was enough to keep their hands to themselves for the rest of the house. We had to take the security post out when we remodeled last year, though. Having TV monitors outside and live cameras inside should give the same impression of being watched - we're going to set that up for this year. We run a self-guided haunt, and place off-duty police as security in certain areas. Rowdy groups are discreetly watched (and overtly followed in extreme cases). Even having a uniformed officer following a group isn't a guarantee - we had one patron rip the arm off a mannequin and proceed to attack an actor with it, with an officer visibly present. It still took several people to restrain the patron, who was treated to a lengthy stay in jail . . . the actor was in his own costume, with a well-built hard head, and suffered a gash across his nose. If he'd been in a latex mask his nose and cheek would have been broken. For groups that are abusive (and usually inebriated) even before they enter, we'll go through the house in front of the group, telling the actors to stand away from the rails and not to scare 'em. Those groups are looking for trouble, so we just give them a lovely walk through a museum rather than a haunt. And I have no regrets about that at all. We re-cue the actors after the group passes, and the next group gets the full show again. We do try to patron-proof the house before we open - I'll go through, trying to pull things off the walls, swing on curtains, grab props, etc. If I can't break it or take it out with me, we figure we're safe for the night. We also do a sweep through the house, leaning against the walls and rails, looking for splinters or rough spots someone might snag on. We do stand behind our actors, and support filing charges against any patron who deliberately takes a swing at an actor. As one of the actors myself, I do take chances with 'fear' swings by getting very close to the patrons - but I do so voluntarily (and with a lot of padding!) and don't consider a 'fear' swing an attack. We don't touch the patrons - but we remember the mannequin arm attacker, too. Even in a case like that, SOP is to retreat from the attacker and let security deal with him/her. Over the years we've gotten a 'rep' as not being a house to come to and punch out actors, and we have very little trouble anymore. It certainly hasn't hurt our attendance. Grabbing a patron is grounds for immediate termination. We do occasionally use shills - planted people in line - to liven things up, though. Personally, I don't like the hand-on-shoulder or rope groups. As a werewolf, it's more fun to be able to peel a member or two off of a group and keep them separated for a scene or two - makes both the separated and the main group nervous . It our haunt we occasionally get patrons bunched together, but usually they space themselves out as they go through the house. We have several wide areas in our path, and suggest to the patrons that they let faster groups 'scare through.' We let patrons take their time going through if they want to look at the sets, and permit both still and video cameras (I know that I ham it up for cameras). We'll space a group with a light or flash so they don't interfere with other groups' enjoyment, and with video lights we also warn the actors so they aren't blinded. I guess I've rambled enough for this post . . . Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 15:36:23 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:27:51 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: What we did/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > ey I have a product you might be intersted in.It's a cordless, > > rechargeable,battery operated extension cord.Send $19.95 to > > Haunted Scam Productions,Logger's Breath Canyon......... ;) > > Sorry, I couldn't resist ;) > > JD > > John, > You are to late, I already bought one of those. And it came with it's > own plug in!!! Now what I need is a clear blue invisible transpartent > paint that shows up only when you use it. Will look for it at scams R > us!!! I also have one of these cordless extension cords. I have already found the invisible paint, it works great! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 15:36:49 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:33:12 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Would you like eggs with that? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JD wrote: >Warning! There are currently 16 patents pending for this product and my lawyers >are ruthless so NO COPYCATS!!! Well, I invented it years ago! Actually, it was for a 'Haunted Slaughter House', and we used pork sausage links. . . (not really. I'm just feeling silly.) Neat idea. Actually, you could 'theme' the rope to your specific attraction. Thus, tying it in (no pun intended) with a kind of meaning, or symbolism. For a purpose, say, if your haunt had vampires, you could attatch garlic to the rope, so everyone would be sure to hold on tight for protection! If it were a swamp theme, you could disguise it as a green, mossy, seaweed-dangly-type rope, for industrial themeing, you could use plastic chain, jungle theme, use a rope dressed as a vine with leaves and ivy wrapped around it, or even adapt non-rope things, like a big animal net, properly bound into a long length as the patrons go on a monster hunt. . . -Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 15:42:07 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Cue the subwoofer sound effects from upstairs, and put the washing > machine on "Spin" with a load of bricks, so the whole house shakes. : Do you realy put bricks in the washer? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 15:59:06 1997 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Contest Starting Soon! Update! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey all: I had originally expected to officially announce the contest by now, but I am waiting to finalize the specifics with a couple of sponsors. Hang in there, it should be ready soon! -Scott -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 16:09:26 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:58:01 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, Hey, most of you know me, I'm the 16 year old! Well I usually dress up our house horrifically and it looks great and all. But dad got married and we moved! Well the step mom, doesn't want the house decorated, but I can do a little decorating on halloween day (better than non!!) I'm basically going to concentrate all my money and efforts on the party this year! (yes I am allowed to have a halloween party!) It's gonna be outside like allways and I'm planning to add in some very spookie spfx! I have a problem though, I need a LCD projector!!! Enough Said. On the Budget of a 16 year old, working at Bertucci's Brick Oven Pizzaria/Dine In resturant at a mezely 6$ hour, is not going to cut the 200$/day rental. UNFORTUNATELY! Does anyone have ANY suggestions. I basically want to roam a tv camera around the dance floor and I want to show some interesting videos. I really need a LCD projector, but the moula just is NOT their!! This Sux, Fiber Optic Halloween is the Best time of the Year! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 16:45:27 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:40:57 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I have a problem though, I need a LCD projector!!! Enough Said. On the > Budget of a 16 year old, working at Bertucci's Brick Oven Pizzaria/Dine In > resturant at a mezely 6$ hour, is not going to cut the 200$/day rental. > UNFORTUNATELY! > > Does anyone have ANY suggestions. I basically want to roam a tv camera > around the dance floor and I want to show some interesting videos. I really > need a LCD projector, but the moula just is NOT their!! Basically, it sounds like the idea you're going for is to let everyone see the same thing at the same time. Could you stack a few TVs on top of each other? They don't have to be the same size or even all color. Play different videos on each with one being the roaming camera. Or have several TVs in different places all showing the same thing (video or camera). If you have a theme, you could incorporate them. Ie. for a swamp, have one sinking into some ooze, or in a tree. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:08:06 1997 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:01:00 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic , Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:58:01 -0400 --snip!-- >Does anyone have ANY suggestions. I basically want to roam a tv camera >around the dance floor and I want to show some interesting videos. I really >need a LCD projector, but the moula just is NOT their!! --snip!-- Hi, Fiber! Hey, I _live_ for parties, and I think I've got a cheap idea for you. I did a "Big '80's" party last summer, and collected about six 12" black-and-white TV sets. Hooked them all to a VCR playing '80's videos, and had video ALL OVER THE PLACE. So you could do the same! Don't bother with a projection TV set; just collect all the black-and-white TV's you can (I had a standing offer to buy them at $20 each before the party, three people took me up on it) and hook ALL of them so they show the feed from your camera. Put them all around the party room. You could check Salvation Army or Goodwill and probably get them for way less than $20! (You'll also need to hit Radio Shack for some RF modulators and/or a distribution amplifer) And...To bring this somewhat back to the Halloween theme...A TV wasteland (Ala Max Headroom, for those who remember the '80's!) might be a good idea for a "Twilight Zone" scene in a haunt! "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ :wq From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:15:28 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:03:14 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic wrote: > I really > need a LCD projector, but the moula just is NOT there!! > > This Sux, > Fiber Optic > > Halloween is the Best time of the Year! At 16, you probably have a resource at your school. Many High Schools have one or more nice LCD projectors in their inventory. Get involved in the media/video/TV clubs or classes at your school. Make friends with the Associate Principal. Get involved in activities and become known ... Heck, be a leader! You'ld be amazed at what you can borrow (don't read rip off) when you've got connections. Be sure to return it in the same or better condition than when you borrowed it, and you will probably be able to borrow it again. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:29:37 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:19:54 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Ysengrin Werewolf wrote: >(snip) > For groups that are abusive (and usually inebriated) even before they > enter, we'll go through the house in front of the group, telling the actors > to stand away from the rails and not to scare 'em. Those groups are looking > for trouble, so we just give them a lovely walk through a museum rather > than a haunt. And I have no regrets about that at all. We re-cue the actors > after the group passes, and the next group gets the full show again. > (snip) This reminded me of another "problem" group. Ocassionally we get those wonderfull parents who insist on bringing their terrified young children (i.e. tears streaming down their face, shaking like a leaf,etc.) through. The way we handle this situation is to send the group through alone and their guide will put their hood down (of the monk's robe). The "hoods down" is the signal for our actors to play their parts much less agress- ively. The way I feel is that I would rather punish the less than caring parents than further traumatize a small child. Guess I'm still just a kid at heart myself. ;) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:31:25 1997 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:21:56 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab , Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0400 >> Cue the subwoofer sound effects from upstairs, and put the washing >> machine on "Spin" with a load of bricks, so the whole house shakes. : > >Do you realy put bricks in the washer? *smile!* No, I don't! Actually, there was a smiley (" :^) ") after that line to show that it was a joke. What I'm trying to do is get ideas for making my guests think that a spaceship has just landed on the roof...I haven't actually _done_ any of this yet; I'm gathering ideas for this year's Halloween party. One (semi tacky!) thing I was thinking of was playing the signature notes from Close Encounters (Doo Dee Doo Dah Doooo) from upstairs, and having my co-host walk downstairs in a cloud of dry-ice smoke with lights behind him. (Now if Jeff will only cooperate this year... :^) "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:33:19 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:29:10 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Would you like eggs with that? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Oliver Holler wrote: >(snip) > Neat idea. Actually, you could 'theme' the rope to your specific > attraction. Thus, tying it in (no pun intended) with a kind of meaning, or > symbolism. For a purpose, say, if your haunt had vampires, you could > attatch garlic to the rope, so everyone would be sure to hold on tight for > protection! If it were a swamp theme, you could disguise it as a green, > mossy, seaweed-dangly-type rope, for industrial themeing, you could use > plastic chain, jungle theme, use a rope dressed as a vine with leaves and > ivy wrapped around it, or even adapt non-rope things, like a big animal > net, properly bound into a long length as the patrons go on a monster hunt. > .. Note to self; contact lawyers about patenting the "Haunted Chain","Haunted Vine","Haunted Sausage Links"............ ;) Thanks Oliver for the great suggestions. You should be getting the residuals in a few months. ;) JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:53:08 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:43:43 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Well the step mom, doesn't want the house decorated, but I can do a little > decorating on halloween day (better than non!!) > I'm basically going to concentrate all my money and efforts on the party > this year! (yes I am allowed to have a halloween party!) Hi, my names Derek Schwab and I am 15 years old. I love to decorate for Halloween (I get to decorate around the first week of October) I have built a flying ghost in the front yard and have managed to get a fog machine that I use at the front door when the trick-or-treaters com up (just this is enough to scare the @#_&! out of some of the little kids) I would also like to use video projection, but can't pay $200 too rent a projector, and certainly can't buy one. The only thing I could think of for your party is to use several small T.V.s with, either all in one place or in various locations. I would like to have a big Halloween party, but I usualy don't have much free time at this time of the year because I have about 25,000 christmas lights to put up right after Halloween and have to start working on new decorations around August. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 17:59:08 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:53:06 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Security Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > Jerry's comment: > > About off duty police... > > Is it different for each city? > It must be. I'm guesing that maybe some smaller departments may have more restrictions on the amount outside work they can take on. I know in our case the department was really helpfull in getting us the officers. We had to go through the head of the police union to set this up. I also agree with what Cliff posted, it's nice to have a direct line of communication (through radio contact) to the police station. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 18:36:59 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:42:20 -0700 Subject: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to part To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Alien idea: alien music sountrack: THE WILD BULL by Morton Subotnick. I've used this song quite well in alien rooms in haunted houses. Was done the 60's on synthesizers. If you can listen to the whole 25-30 minutes of it without flipping out, then I appluad you! Harry "what the hell is that noise?" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 19:22:29 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:18:45 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Our young Fiber friend writes): >>On the Budget of a 16 year old, working at Bertucci's Brick Oven >>Pizzaria/Dine In >> resturant at a mezely 6$ hour, is not going to cut the 200$/day rental. >> UNFORTUNATELY! I know it's difficult. I was the tender age of 16 once, with limited funds. That's why I turned to a life of crime. You can target cold cash by blowing safes at the local bank, or skip the 'middle man' and knock off major electronic centers directly for that coveted LCD projector. Sure, you get caught eventually, but this will save you further money! (A whole slew of the much-talked-about security will arrive suddenly at your Halloween function, free.) (Along with the C.O.P.S. camera crew, filming you and your guests for EVERYONE'S TVs!) Oliver -(Bad Influence Upon The Young And Impressionable) -Holler >:-} Alcatraz (Don't really do it. Crime doesn't pay.) ps: Don't forget to check out the recent '$12 TV projector' posts (for talking wig head forms). I would think that technique would apply. hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 19:35:59 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:33:37 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jdolan wrote: >parents who insist on bringing their terrified young children >(i.e. tears streaming down their face, shaking like a leaf,etc.) (snip) >I would rather punish the less than caring parents than further traumatize a small child. Amen. I'll bet many of us get this situation. I think there should be a good term to describe this. Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 20:10:33 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:02:29 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I was the tender age of 16 once, with limited funds. > That's why I turned to a life of crime. > You can target cold cash by blowing safes at the local bank, or skip the > 'middle man' and knock off major electronic centers directly for that > coveted LCD projector. > Sure, you get caught eventually, but this will save you further money! Are you suggesting that us teenagers rob banks and steal projectors? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!! You can't enjoy halloween in jail. I'd rather do without the projector. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 20:13:19 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:05:44 -0400 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com sao@mit.edu wrote: > > Derek Schwab , Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0400 > > >> Cue the subwoofer sound effects from upstairs, and put the washing > >> machine on "Spin" with a load of bricks, so the whole house shakes. : > > > >Do you realy put bricks in the washer? > > *smile!* No, I don't! Actually, there was a smiley (" :^) ") after > that line to show that it was a joke. You had me worried for a minute! I'm glad to know you have not lost your mind! Maybe you could use something in the washer (sandbags?) that would make a lot of noise and sound like a spaceship landing. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 20:34:54 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:28:05 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: $12.00 Big Screen Neighborhood Theatre and Cabaret Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > (Don't really do it. Crime doesn't pay.) > ps: Don't forget to check out the recent '$12 TV projector' posts (for > talking wig head forms). I would think that technique would apply. This brings back up the subject of the $12.00 projection TV lens, which was never covered in full. The one question left hanging was; Did this lens offer the ability to project a large (four or six foot square) picture? So far the best price I have uncovered for the projector to card the lens assembly off of (thanks Kathy for the great idea) is $250.00. I don't want to seem a tightwad--especially in the presence of Bob, who just spent a small fortune on lumber alone--but $250.00 is a bit high for just one part of one gag. This also brings up another question for the group; Does anyone know of some sort of projector graveyard where a lens assembly could be got for a great used price? I talked with a television repair person (in this case a repair MAN--PC)and he had no idea of where to start to find one of these beauties either, ouside of the flea market. I have not otherwise tried locally to locate one yet, since I can't figure out where to start. I know I can trust there to be some folks on the list that would cheerfully tell me where to go. *_* Anyone? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 20:35:58 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:33:16 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >> parents traumatize a small child. >I think there should be a good term to describe this. > > Grim and Grinning, > Oliver .....selfish? -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 21:23:05 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:12:12 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: $12.00 Big Screen Neighborhood Theatre and Cabaret Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: > This brings back up the subject of the $12.00 projection TV lens, which > was never covered in full. The one question left hanging was; Did this > lens offer the ability to project a large (four or six foot square) > picture?Very likely, yes. I have one of these lenses, and have projected large images onto a wall. But you must keep in mind that the projection TVs that these lenses are a part of have super bright CRTs (picture tubes). So crank the brightness way up and keep the ambient light out of the area. Kathy- is the front of your house a dark place? -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 21:34:27 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:17:26 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Fiber Optic wrote: > > Well, > Hey, most of you know me, I'm the 16 year old! Well I usually dress up > our house horrifically and it looks great and all. But dad got married and > we moved! > Well the step mom, doesn't want the house decorated, but I can do a little > decorating on halloween day (better than non!!) > I'm basically going to concentrate all my money and efforts on the party > this year! (yes I am allowed to have a halloween party!) It's gonna be > outside like allways and I'm planning to add in some very spookie spfx! > > I have a problem though, I need a LCD projector!!! Enough Said. On the > Budget of a 16 year old, working at Bertucci's Brick Oven Pizzaria/Dine In > resturant at a mezely 6$ hour, is not going to cut the 200$/day rental. > UNFORTUNATELY! > > Does anyone have ANY suggestions. I basically want to roam a tv camera > around the dance floor and I want to show some interesting videos. I really > need a LCD projector, but the moula just is NOT their!! > > This Sux, > Fiber Optic > > Halloween is the Best time of the Year! Hi, I am new to the list, JB Corn, a suggestion for your LCD projector. I use small TVs (B&W or color) approximately 5" screen. Purchase a video projection lens from a local surplus store. Attach the lens to the front of the TV, careful to adjust the distance from the lens to the screen for proper focal length and focus. Place it in a light tight room and project on a translucent shower curtain liner. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 21:38:55 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:33:02 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Security Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-24 20:56:14 EDT, you write: << It must be. I'm guesing that maybe some smaller departments may have more restrictions on the amount outside work they can take on. I know in our case the department was really helpfull in getting us the officers. We had to go through the head of the police union to set this up. I also agree with what Cliff posted, it's nice to have a direct line of communication (through radio contact) to the police station. JD >> ---------------------------------------------- jerrys question: Could you all post what it cost you to hire the police? thanks jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 22:02:36 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:00:32 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Are you suggesting that us teenagers rob banks and steal projectors? *smile!* No, I don't. Actually, there was a smiley (">:-} ") . . . to show that it was a joke. I see a redundant pattern forming here. ;) Grim and Grinning, Oliver (who really does put bricks in his washer.) -For real. No kidding. Really. hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 22:14:40 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:08:59 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In all seriousness, I have found a great way to produce realistic corpses for under $10. My local Wal-Mart is selling a shovel for $8.99, and I'll be hitting the local graveyard in a few hours. heh-heh-heh. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 22:23:04 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:12:16 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Cobwebs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 03:42 PM 4/24/97 -0500, milwiron@btprod.com wrote >At 12:33 PM 4/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Kudos to Denny for selling such a worthwhile >>> product. We got one and used it last year, and now we're able to eliminate >>> all those $.99 ugly packaged cobwebs. What a COOL device! I feel like I >>> work in a prop department at a movie studio! >>> >>> Excellent, TBD, keep up the good work! >>> Bob >> >>May I inquire as to the celaning of the cobwebs then afterwards? > >Hi Will, >The base fluid has an extremely low dry tack so..... >If the webs are shot from about 4 or 5 feet away so they hit the target dry, >you should be able to shop-vac off anything that doesn't pull off by hand. >Denny Whee! Tell me more! We're still using old plastic-based web fluid that stays tacky for 10-15 minutes, and we tend to get as many flying drops as webs - and removing it is a major job. . . maybe I need to hit Lance up to buy a new web shooter and change fluids. . . We still use the stretchy 99 cent webs too - as a base. I start with a pinched off bit of webbing (a ball about 1-1/2 across) and use that to eventually fill a volume of 10'x10'x5'. It gets stretched and cross-linked (spit on a finger and roll fibers together to make a knot) out until the fibers are 2" or so apart, the sprayed with the web-maker and cobweb fluid and dusted, the another layer stretched above the first and so on . . . It takes me a day to do a large room, but you wind up with very fine webs many layers (and feet) thick. Looks really great for those old, abandoned rooms . . . there's a picture of a MBP corpse kit done up as a giant spider victim at http://www.webcom.com/verdun/gallery/g03.jpg that's done this way . . . I'm not real happy with the webbing in this picture, but it gets the idea across. Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 22:41:12 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:39:00 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Heloo. It's twenty-question-kid again. I hate to bother you with this, but through fruitless net search and checking with the local Home Base and Radio Shark, I am left empty headed once again. May I humbly ask of all of you the nuances between the 555's, X-10, midi vs hand-control. I have read the archives about these and to be honest, I have gotten the most hope from X-10 for timed event-controllability. I thought the list would be perfect to tap for this info. I am getting ready to take the next step in automation and didn't want to jump untill I really had some comparative knowledge between the big four choices. What do you all choose for event control? Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 23:04:16 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:34:28 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cobwebs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ysengrin Werewolf, I like the name even if it is a hard one to type!! We played with the web shooter from Denny and his "nonflamable web fluid" outside and the webs looked great...and much easier than the bag stuff!!! I could not believe the difference...I don't know who said it earlier....but the right stuff does make you feel like a pro. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 23:17:30 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:41:01 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Cobwebs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Whee! Tell me more! We're still using old plastic-based web fluid that >stays tacky for 10-15 minutes, and we tend to get as many flying drops as >webs - and removing it is a major job. . . maybe I need to hit Lance up to >buy a new web shooter and change fluids. . . Drop in to Terror By Design and look for his web-shooter. The webs (once dry) are fire resistant. The webs dry (on the fly) and can be removed very quickly with a broom or shop-vac. (As an added plug, I've tried a couple other "shooters" and Denny's is the one I use...all the others were tossed out!) Give it a try, you will love it. Hauntingly, John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu Apr 24 23:48:17 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:44:31 -0800 From: Dana Collins To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com SkinkSim@aol.com scribbled in blood: > and I'll be hitting the local graveyard in a few hours. > > heh-heh-heh. Let me know if you find any good suits and shirts (18 1/2" collar). By the way, looks like you've found a cheap way to get: a) a coffin b) cheap bones c) tombstones d) a free trip to Bellevue e) my long dead grandfather Wish I thought of this sooner! Walmart here I come! ---Dana From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 01:06:41 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:38:22 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: welcome banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Hi, > I am new to the list, JB Corn, a suggestion for your LCD projector. I > use small TVs (B&W or color) approximately 5" screen. Purchase a video > projection lens from a local surplus store. Attach the lens to the > front of the TV, careful to adjust the distance from the lens to the > screen for proper focal length and focus. Place it in a light tight > room and project on a translucent shower curtain liner. > jbcorn I had just finished reading the books I ordered from Denny...and who posts to the list but the auther...JBCorn :) Welcome hope the list is as good to you as it has been to me BTW...great books -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 01:52:38 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:35:39 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 07:19 PM 4/24/97 -0500, John Dolan wrote >This reminded me of another "problem" group. Ocassionally we get those >wonderfull parents who insist on bringing their terrified young children >(i.e. tears streaming down their face, shaking like a leaf,etc.) through. We don't have as many as we used to; much of our advertising stresses the adult nature of our house. I see more of that in outside (away from Verdun) costume work. Personally, I've broken character and shown frightened children the face under the mask, or walked the house with them as their big furry protector. We'll also watch children on the front porch while their parents go through the house, but that doesn't happen very often. Most of the time when a parent has a young child over their shoulder, I'm scaring the parents, but waving at the kid. _They_ know I'm not going to hurt anyone. The only bad responses I get in costume are the kids who've been attacked by dogs - all I can do then is stay away and be non-threatening. We sometimes have other situations - we shut off the outside pyro effects for one ten year old when we found out he'd been burned in a fire earlier that year. Once the flames were off, he was fine. Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 03:36:41 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 03:34:54 -0700 Subject: $12.00 Big Screen Neighborhood Theatre and Cabaret To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord, the only closest place to me that mnight have something in a projection TV is an electronic junkyard type of place. ECSC in Gardena is one such place. All sorts of surplus electronics there.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 03:53:40 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 03:50:58 -0700 Subject: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, there are many ways to go for event control. I'm back from a bachelor party, so my brain is floating tonight, but let me go for things.... A 555 is a tiny chip which lots of people sell. With several cheap parts, a time delay or an oscillator can be builkt for under $5. It can work as an LED flasher, relay driver, all sorts of things. X10 is a controller system which uses the 120 volt power lines to carry the information to the various boxes. Each control box receives codes from a master station. The master station can be a computer peripheral card, which controls it. at least on the Apple ][ version, the programming is in Basic, allowing you to do any darned thing you please with the timing loops. Midi is a musical interface system which can also be used to control special effects. The cables can run long and are fairly cheap to get. I use Midi at home to compose music by. hand control gives someone a pushbutton or a door mat or something to trigger an event. I remember using an old doorbell to activate the "Krash Koaster" stunt at Chamber of Horrors in Anaheim. This unit was about 11 feet tall, 20 feet long and had a 2 foot long car. When I would press the button, the car would get yanked down a chain at high speed towards the guests emerging from a pitch black maze. The front of the Krash Koaster had a blinding light and a haze fogger so you barely saw it coming until it had a tremendous crash right in front of you. Great leadin to the circus room. For future event control, I have been working on a program which would provide event control. It is designed around the Apple ][ computer and uses a stored sequence to control a room event, special effect, robotics, whatever. The advantage is very low cost, a nice versatility and it does darn near anything I want. The biggest modification to it is to network it to a whole bunch of them, each taking data from the net. Each seqeuncer can then control the lighting from a central computer, or sounds or soundtracks. Now,m to just get the #!$#^$ network working right.... Harry "where am I?" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 05:16:26 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:11:29 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Kiddie Torment (was: touch-me-not) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John Dolan wrote: > >we get those .. parents who insist on bringing their terrified young children (i.e. tears streaming down their face, shaking like a leaf,etc.) through. What is it with parents who do that? We had several 'parents' do that too (mostly male), and passed the word to keep the scares "low key" when they insisted on taking the kids. I was lucky enough last year to have a pre-school teacher as one of the staff and we offered to entertain the kiddies (pumpking cartoon drawing) while the 'ultra' macho parents went through - and we passed the word to give the parents the "full" treatment... BTW - anyone got ideas how to keep parents from torturing their kids by forcing them to go through a haunt? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 05:52:23 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:44:42 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem/banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:17 PM 4/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >I am new to the list, JB Corn, a suggestion for your LCD projector... Hey JB and everyone else who has recently signed on, Welcome to Halloween-L! You've found the best group of people around to work with. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 05:55:16 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:44:44 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Cobwebs Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 12:12 AM 4/25/97 -0500, Ysengrin wrote: >We still use the stretchy 99 cent webs too - as a base. I start with a >pinched off bit of webbing... This is an excellent point to bring out. I often recommend people use the bags of webs for certain applications and for outdoor use where they want long life for the webs. There's not a cob web fluid around that can match the polyester bag-o-webs for tensile strength when trying to span longer distances. Web fluid is not cheap by any means, even I use the bag webs for certain jobs. I appreciate all the kind words about TBD's shooter but in all honesty it's only a tool, like any other tool in your haunted tool box it has a place where it's use is best suited. For some people and applications it'll be just plain wrong. For people interested in building a shooter themselves, you'll find a thread in the Halloween-L archives from a couple of years ago by Scott Axworthy, Dave Bell and myself on our various methods of putting together home built units. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 05:57:59 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 05:46:21 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My new nextdoor neighbor (Feb. 97) asked me what all of the lumber in my driveway was for. When I responded "Why, it's for Halloween! Didn't they tell you about me before you moved in?" He mumbled "no" and went back into his house. I think he may be ultra-Christian, and anti-Halloween. Wish me luck! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:03:48 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:34:46 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Ghouls, We have our complete haunt rigged with emergency lights. If a child should become scared we flip a switch and lights come on. We only did 350+ people last year so most of the time if a child is scared we will take the time to turn on lights, or pull up masks, or show them a little behind the scenes stuff!! I don't want to be the cause of any kids Shrink Bill in his adult years!! Plus some of them come back and want to know if they can help!! the Halloween Future in the making!!! And Ysengrin Werewolf...I can just see you waving your claw/paw at some little kid..and the big smile!! You are great!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:12:30 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:42:23 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Southern Cal help!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry and other southern Cal members, I was wondering...When we were in LA for the convention we saw several used dummies/Mannequins (sp) stores. We were going to "borrow" the telephone book from the hotel room, but someone beat us to it...how dare they!!! Would it be possible for you, when and if you have time, to look in your yellow pages for the LA area and or your area in general and could post me any phone numbers you find for used dummies!! Hubby may have to go to LA next weekend on business and I can make him make the calls...in the few minutes he says he will have free!! Thanks for the help!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:28:56 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:52:09 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kiddie Torment (was: touch-me-not) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kids in Torment... Been there done that but on a different holiday!! I photographed kids with Santa for 10+ years!!! Yes I did get battle pay, and scars to prove it!!! I have seen people take little kids that are blue and red and screaming in fright...not a temper thing these kids were terrified of this big guy with all that hair. And these parents would grab the kids and force them on the lap...!! I went with this the first few years and then I put a stop to it!!! I would suggest that the parent sit on the lap with babe in arms, or maybe stand next to Santa with babe, but I would go to a point and then I would refuse to take the childs picture. It is our right to refuse service to anyone!!! Yes, I had some pissed off parents but the kids faces when they saw they were not going to have to go near the "Bad Man"!! was worth it. Parents in line behind these people would always say that they thought it was great that I thought of the kid and not the almighty dollar!!! I am sorry I got off track but that is the extent some parents will go to so they can make their kids do something they want. Here is a idea...if the child is screaming and crying...tell the parent that you have noise activated scares and that the crying will set them off before you want them to. So you would like to leave the child outside while the parents go through. Or make them wait and when there is a lull turn on the lights and ruin the parents trip through and let the kids be calmed down. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:30:05 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:17:09 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Wall Of Fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thinkin' out loud... There are devices that most of you have probably seen or walked through called air curtains. Essentially an air curtain is a long fan unit that mounts over a doorway and directs air towards the floor. They're used in loading docks, open freezers, Vegas Casinos etc. to keep air from passing through an open doorway. I wonder if one could be used to keep a thick fog on one side of an opening and leave the other side relatively clean, a quick dissipating fog fluid would help with any fog that escaped. It would seem that having a fairly controllable wall of fog for props or actors to pop out from would open up some great possibilities. Has anyone tried this? Anyone out there work in a loading dock and own a fogger? Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:40:29 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:04:13 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, I will wish you a lot of luck...You should have told the agent that anyone that moves near you better be ready to put up with it!! I think your best bet would be to find out now if this person is against you...and to what extent!! They can make your life really miserable if they want...Height of fence, traffic hazard, and any other little thing that might bug them. Then on the other hand this person could be a closet Halloween addict and he knows that his little haunt is not going to compare with yours. Keep us up to date... ( didn't you say at the meeting you needed a body for the back of the hearse...just a thougt!!) Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:46:44 1997 From: The Youngs To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Bob Andrews'" Subject: RE: Uh-oh! Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:45:13 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, if he wins and you lose, send the fence to me please :) Jacqui From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:53:13 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-25 06:49:17 EDT, you write: << A 555 is a tiny chip which lots of people sell. With several cheap parts, a time delay or an oscillator can be builkt for under $5. It can work as an LED flasher, relay driver, all sorts of things. > ------------------------------------------------- Jerrys input: If you want to spend a little more for PNP. I use a time relay and a normal relay togather to provide a delay off. The time relay can be set for 0.5 to 1000 seconds. These time relay can cost as little as $5 if you get them surplus... Jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 06:58:56 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:53:59 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wall Of Fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-25 09:27:05 EDT, you write: << I wonder if one could be used to keep a thick fog on one side of an opening and leave the other side relatively clean, a quick dissipating fog fluid would help with any fog that escaped. It would seem that having a fairly controllable wall of fog for props or actors to pop out from would open up some great possibilities. Has anyone tried this? Anyone out there work in a loading dock and own a fogger? Denny >> ---------------------------- I have tried this, it dose not work well. The fog (from a fogger) spreads to quickly. P.S. Hey Jay, Thay are getting close, now that is scary... :~) Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 07:27:53 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:23:11 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: $12.00 Big Screen Neighborhood Theatre and Cabaret Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Death Lord, the only closest place to me that mnight have something in a > projection TV is an electronic junkyard type of place. ECSC in Gardena > is one such place. All sorts of surplus electronics there.... > > Harry > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] I am going to look into this projection tv lens today. Thanks. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 07:29:04 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:24:13 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Email Outage Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Folks, Please be informed that my Email provider...didn't... for the last four(4) days! Anyone trying to send Email directly or from the Haunt Master Products, Inc. Web site may have experienced problems, altho I'm now reading over 200 messages from Halloween-L alone. Anyway thanks for you understanding, and it's nice to be "above ground" once again :> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi0000,0000,8080 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 07:45:38 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:46:50 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Smoke Rings {Is before I forget again!} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Going thur the old Lighting Dimensions 96-97 buyers guide and look what I find... Towards 2000 INC=Lightforce Vesuvius smoke rign generator blows a 3ft smoke ring 2ft to 500ft! Sounds just like what we were talking about!. Jay P.S Yes I am drooling over all the great new strobes, and foggers and lights in the guide!. ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 07:47:56 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:43:07 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey Bob, if the guy gives you any grief, just keep the fence up all year! Pretty soon, you'll have a new neighbor! Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 07:51:21 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:45:56 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Bob, > I will wish you a lot of luck...You should have told the agent that > anyone that moves near you better be ready to put up with it!! I think > your best bet would be to find out now if this person is against > you...and to what extent!! They can make your life really miserable if > they want...Height of fence, traffic hazard, and any other little thing > that might bug them. Then on the other hand this person could be a > closet Halloween addict and he knows that his little haunt is not going > to compare with yours. Keep us up to date... > ( didn't you say at the meeting you needed a body for the back of the > hearse...just a thougt!!) > Kathy Kathy, I did tell the agent. In fact, the house went on the market the week of halloween, and she saw the fence herself! I'm not sure what I want to do. I guess I'll go and ask the neighbor straight out. I love Halloween, but I'm not in the market to make any enemies. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 07:57:53 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:47:31 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kiddie Torment (was: touch-me-not) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CTMartin wrote: > > John Dolan wrote: > > > >we get those .. parents who insist on bringing their terrified young children (i.e. tears streaming down their face, shaking like a leaf,etc.) through. > > What is it with parents who do that? We had several 'parents' do that > too (mostly male), and passed the word to keep the scares "low key" when > they insisted on taking the kids. > I was lucky enough last year to have a pre-school teacher as one of the > staff and we offered to entertain the kiddies (pumpking cartoon drawing) > while the 'ultra' macho parents went through - and we passed the word to > give the parents the "full" treatment... > > BTW - anyone got ideas how to keep parents from torturing their kids by > forcing them to go through a haunt? We realized up front our characters and scenes would be too intense for some of the younger visitors and had the guides strongly discourage parents from taking the kids in. We also had the "Pumpkin Patch" with more tame clowns and storybook characters to entertain the little ones while the bigger "kids" got the "full treatment". Since our guides could refuse entrance to these so-called "macho parents" who would sometimes argue the dicision, they also had to contend with the rest of that particular group who backed up the guide and "got the show back on the road". We also had clowns from the "Clown Ministry" who came to the rescue and so enchanted the poor kids the problem got worked out in good order! I can imagine what the rest of the tour group would have thought of these parents if they absolutely insisted on taking the youngsters thru and we turned on the lights, cut the effects and all the monsters turned their backs on the audience! All the guide had to do was signal and it would happen until they got the child out of the main tour! Peer pressure can work wonders some times... Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 08:15:26 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:08:04 -0700 Subject: Wall Of Fog To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny, Disney uses the wall of air trick to hold a fog in place on their new Indiana Jones ride. They make a sort of sandwich of two air curtains with the fog layer in between. They then project a tree branch with live rats falling off it. In the ride, the car passes through this. The big problem is that the car comes rushing through pretty fast and disrupts the air sandwich, so this effect only works about 1/3 the time. Still sounds like a useful idea in a room doorway if you project a ghost onto it :) Harry in any doorway [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 08:29:02 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:08:30 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Wall Of Fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:53 AM 4/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-25 09:27:05 EDT, you write: > ><< > I wonder if one could be used to keep a thick fog on one side of an opening > and leave the other side relatively clean, a quick dissipating fog fluid > would help with any fog that escaped. > It would seem that having a fairly controllable wall of fog for props or > actors to pop out from would open up some great possibilities. > Has anyone tried this? Anyone out there work in a loading dock and own a >fogger? > Denny > > >> >---------------------------- > >I have tried this, it dose not work well. >The fog (from a fogger) spreads to quickly. >P.S. Hey Jay, Thay are getting close, now that is scary... :~) >Yours ghouly Jerry - > Hi Jerry, I suspect from your reference to Jay that you tried this to project an image on. A couple of quick questions and I'll let it go- Did you use a regular commercial air curtain unit and was it indoors or out? Was the doorway the proper size for the air curtain's design limits? Were there other openings (doors, windows) to the "air curtained" room that could have produced a slight positive air pressure in that room which would decrease the effectiveness of the unit? (howz that for a run-on sentence) The reason I ask is because I've seen some commercial air curtains that were very efficient (and expensive) and it seems that if used totally indoors with no wind or large temperature variations they would work even better. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 08:40:24 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:12:55 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > sao@mit.edu wrote: > > > > Derek Schwab , Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0400 > > > > >> Cue the subwoofer sound effects from upstairs, and put the washing > > >> machine on "Spin" with a load of bricks, so the whole house shakes. : > > > > > >Do you realy put bricks in the washer? > > > > *smile!* No, I don't! Actually, there was a smiley (" :^) ") after > > that line to show that it was a joke. > > You had me worried for a minute! I'm glad to know you have not lost your > mind! > Maybe you could use something in the washer (sandbags?) that would make > a lot of noise and sound like a spaceship landing. Actually, a pair of old tennis shoes in the dryer will work wonders. You even get some interesting alien smells. ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 08:47:08 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, JB Corn wrote: > Fiber Optic wrote: > > > > Does anyone have ANY suggestions. I basically want to roam a tv camera > > around the dance floor and I want to show some interesting videos. I really > > need a LCD projector, but the moula just is NOT their!! > I am new to the list, JB Corn, a suggestion for your LCD projector. I > use small TVs (B&W or color) approximately 5" screen. Purchase a video > projection lens from a local surplus store. Attach the lens to the > front of the TV, careful to adjust the distance from the lens to the > screen for proper focal length and focus. Place it in a light tight > room and project on a translucent shower curtain liner. Hi! Let me second Denny's welcome, JB and all the new members to the list. Welcome to our little area of Halloween^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HHeaven... ;) don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:16:52 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:53:54 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Southern Cal help!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Harry and other southern Cal members, > Would it be possible for you, when and if you have time, to look > in your yellow pages for the LA area and or your area in general and > could post me any phone numbers you find for used dummies!! Mannequins (From USWest Internet Yellow Pages) ALVAREZ WAX MODELS 1540 W GAYLORD ST LONG BEACH CA 90813-1233.................(310)432-4229 AMERICAN MANNEQUIN INC 220 SUNSET AVE INDUSTRY CA 91744-3523......................(818)369-3499 DAVILA STUDIOS INC 516 S 3RD AVE LA PUENTE CA 91746-2848.....N/A FILOSO WOLF MANNEQUIN ARTS 11946 WAGNER ST CULVER CITY CA 90230-5849..................(310)398-9618 FULL MANNEQUIN CO 1100 S SAN PEDRO ST LOS ANGELES CA 90015-2328..............(213)747-2668 GRENEKER 1500 S EVERGREEN AVE LOS ANGELES CA 90023-3618.............(213)263-9000 MANNEQUIN DOCTOR 5205 CATALON AVE WOODLAND HLS CA 91364-2336................(818)347-5547 http://www.yp.uswest.com/ Also you can try "Big Yellow at ... http://s8.bigyellow.com/ They weren't responding this morning. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:17:56 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:05:42 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: touch-me-not Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Hey Ghouls, > We have our complete haunt rigged with emergency lights. If a child > should become scared we flip a switch and lights come on. We only did > 350+ people last year so most of the time if a child is scared we will > take the time to turn on lights, or pull up masks, or show them a little > behind the scenes stuff!! I don't want to be the cause of any kids > Shrink Bill in his adult years!! Plus some of them come back and want to > know if they can help!! the Halloween Future in the making!!! > And Ysengrin Werewolf...I can just see you waving your claw/paw at > some little kid..and the big smile!! You are great!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com THREE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLS FOR SILVERMANE! Attention all monsters! Have you hugged a kid today? Gee, that feels great! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:18:20 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:41:35 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Projection Lens Source? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I stumbled into one of those "Watch Where You Step" surplus electronics stores down in El Toro, California. (Bought his stock of blank 8-Track tapes.) He also had a pile of 10 (or so), formerly expensive, video projectors (3 tube type). Some woman, formerly married to the owner of the company that made them, got them as part of her divorce settlement. Unfortunately, she stacked them in the back yard for two years and let the ivy grow over them. They looked awfull moldy. The lenses are probably still useable. The sign on the pile said "Make an Offer". >From his business card: Robert Vaccher R-Vac Electronics 23684-O El Toro Rd. El Toro, CA 92630 (714)586-1210 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:45:52 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:25:19 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com sao@mit.edu wrote: > > Hi, halloween-folk! > > I've been having progressively more complex halloween parties in the last > few years. Any ideas, either for > > - How to have a spaceship land on top of the house, or > - How to decorate rooms to look like part of a spaceship? > Hey Andy, eryone knows them there alien beasties likes ta carve up human beans. Why dontja expand on that there "Meat Head" idear a yourn and do a whole big "Meat Body Buffet" in the specimen room? You cud hav a big fish bowl a "Boiled egg eyeballs", a bucket o "Guacamole Spew", a bowl a "Califlower and Brocoli Brains" ... in red sauce, etc. Cover everything with aluminum foil ... lamps, chairs, pictures, the terlet, even the cat. Lotsa blinkin' lights. Run old "Lost in Space" episodes on the the T.V. that the aliens use to learn the language. P.S. Be sure your aliens all have green cards, it would be a shame if the I.N.S. came and broke up the party. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:46:37 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:30:46 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kiddie Torment (was: touch-me-not) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Kids in Torment... > Been there done that but on a different holiday!! I photographed kids > with Santa for 10+ years!!! Yes I did get battle pay, and scars to prove > it!!! I have seen people take little kids that are blue and red and > screaming in fright...not a temper thing these kids were terrified of > this big guy with all that hair. And these parents would grab the kids > and force them on the lap...!! I went with this the first few years and > then I put a stop to it!!! I would suggest that the parent sit on the > lap with babe in arms, or maybe stand next to Santa with babe, but I > would go to a point and then I would refuse to take the childs picture. > It is our right to refuse service to anyone!!! Yes, I had some pissed > off parents but the kids faces when they saw they were not going to have > to go near the "Bad Man"!! was worth it. Parents in line behind these > people would always say that they thought it was great that I thought of > the kid and not the almighty dollar!!! > I am sorry I got off track but that is the extent some parents will go > to so they can make their kids do something they want. Here is a > idea...if the child is screaming and crying...tell the parent that you > have noise activated scares and that the crying will set them off before > you want them to. So you would like to leave the child outside while the > parents go through. Or make them wait and when there is a lull turn on > the lights and ruin the parents trip through and let the kids be calmed > down. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Michael (or shall I call you SANTA), If they gave Oscars for BEST CHRISTMAS SPIRIT, YOU'D WIN! Unlike our Halloween characters where we can "unmask" if we have to, Santa Claus doesn't have that option. I think your solution to this very real Christmas problem should be made known to ALL Santas before they are commissioned. May St. Nicholas be with you throughout the year! Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:49:13 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:27:02 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 05:46 AM 4/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >My new nextdoor neighbor (Feb. 97) asked me what all of the lumber in my >driveway was for. When I responded "Why, it's for Halloween! Didn't >they tell you about me before you moved in?" He mumbled "no" and went >back into his house. I think he may be ultra-Christian, and >anti-Halloween. Wish me luck! Bob, I just became involved in a dialog with a neighbor who is a born-again Christian in this very topic (I knew it would come up eventually). Her comment was that we have a neighborhood full of Christian kids who don't care about Halloween anyway and why couldn't I concentrate on Christmas instead. After explaining that I decorate for both, I explained that my interest in Halloween centered around the theatrical, dramatic side and that I really have no great interest in images of demons, dripping blood and other "anti-Christian" topics. I also mentioned that I am a member of a Halloween discussion group on the Internet and her eyes were like saucers for a moment - I think she thought I was a member of a cult! I went on (quickly) to explain that, by and large, the discussions were on topics such as where to find cheap lights, flame retardant materials, favorite HHs, how to build effects, etc. I am convinced that a glimpse into our group discussions would offer some reassurance to those who are fearful, but somewhat ignorant, of the motives of Halloweenophiles. Consider the topics we've touched on most recently: No-touch policies in HHs Security for HHs Flame retardants Cobwebs Minimizing scares for youngsters Guided vs. non-guided tours Effects control systems People like Kathy, Sylvia, Jacqui and others could "stand up" and proclaim "I'm a mom and/or I create handicrafts and/or I run a family farm and/or etc." and here's my stand on Halloween. My dialog with this neighbor is destined to be ongoing and I look forward both to opening her eyes a little more and to learning some new ideas myself. My short advice (shoulda put this at the top of the post) is to invite this fellow over, show him some photos and introduce him to some members of the list. Remember the fear of the unknown? It applies to the exterior of HHs too. PS The neighborhood kids love Halloween, resent missing out on the HHs and trick or treating, and wish their moms could understand that it's all for entertainment. Regards, Greg in Vista From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:49:16 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:27:11 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Street graves, was Halloween lumber Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com David wrote: >Down in San Diego, in the Old Town Area, there is an old cemetary. >Outside the walls, as they exist today, there are white crosses, painted >on the street and sidewalk, that mark where graves were located using >ground radar. When the city widened the street, they just paved over >part of the grave yard. > If you drive around Mexico, you'll notice shrines at various points along the road. These are erected in the memory of friends and relatives lost in auto accidents and are located where the accident occurred. Because we live close to the border and have a lot of population and cultural mixing, we see some of these same shrines in various places around San Diego county. Obviously, they don't identify grave sites, but I still find it both spooky to have a scene of a death so clearly marked and touching to see the devotion they represent. Think about it. The major tradition in western civilization is to mark where the body is interred, but not where the person lived or died. A huge industry depends upon our insistence on marking gravesites rather than recognizing people in other, more relevant ways. At times it seems that we make more effort to identify the non-existence of people than we do the existence of them. I find this infinitely more maccabre than anything we can dream up for a haunt. A little off topic, but strong coffee tends to do that... Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:49:45 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:27:05 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Security Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I admit upfront that this would not be a solution for a high-traffic HH, but I've not yet heard anyone mention the idea of renting a costume and creating their own "police officer". For a haunt that has no access to off-duty cops and can't justify the cost of rental security, wouldn't this be a fair compromise? I'd suggest enlisting the help of a big, burly male friend to play the role and, instead of making arrests, just have him eject troublemakers from the scene. The costume creates the perception that help and incarceration is always just a radio call away. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:50:38 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:26:59 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Halloween Problem this Year.. :-( Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Make friends with the Associate Principal. Get involved in activities and become known ... Heck, be a leader! You'ld be amazed at what you can borrow (don't read rip off) when you've got connections. I'll second this advice. I went back to school as an adult and was briefly involved in the radio production program at my JC. The result? I made a lot of fun and "different" friends ( a lot like Halloween-L) and, when I put on my almost-annual block party, I had free DJs with professional equipment. Fiber, don't overlook your high school as a great source of equipment and qualified assistants who will work for the fun and experience (meaning, if you get them to work for you, make sure that they are rewarded with both fun and experience). Your local junior college is likely to be an even better source for equipment and people. Check out ROP programs and certificate programs to locate people and things that can help in your efforts. Like David says, though, get involved and become known. If you only show up when you need stuff and people, you're going to get the cold shoulder. Be prepared to share your experience, time and skills with the people you turn to for help. Taking a class, radio or TV production for instance, shows the people in charge of equipment that you care enough to learn about proper use and handling. Equipment room supervisors are often pretty finicky about who they release stuff to. Actually, they often suffer from the dreaded "me king, you peasant" syndrome. The remedy, develop the relationships! Is this enough preaching for a lifetime? Okay, I'm setting preach mode back down to stun! Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 09:52:12 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 09:41:38 PDT From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Are you suggesting that us teenagers rob banks and steal projectors? > I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!! > You can't enjoy halloween in jail. > Yeah, *everybody* comes dressed up as a 'convict' to the halloween party. B-) THomas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 10:07:57 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Automation Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:52:33 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: >I am getting ready to take the next step in automation and didn't want >to jump untill I really had some comparative knowledge between the big >four choices. What do you all choose for event control? What a dangerous question! I think for those people with million dollar budgets, full-on midi show control would be the best choice. But I know for me, who's on a slightly less bulbous budget, basic midi control works well (although you still need some software/hardware to make that work). I like it because I can combine lighting cues, sound effects and motion control to be combined into one event. This works great for timed events, but triggered events are another story... :-) Bob Laviguer Master of the clean e-mail... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 10:08:02 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Wall of Fog Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:04:12 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Denny wrote: >It would seem that having a fairly controllable wall of fog for props or >actors to pop out from would open up some great possibilities. >Has anyone tried this? Anyone out there work in a loading dock and own a >fogger? Cool idea... What about a fog booth, solid on one side and the back, a mylar curtain on one side for the actor to enter the booth, and then the air curtain on the front to allow the actor to walk into the scene. My one reservation on this would be the noise. I've walked under a few of those air curtains which have scared the .... out of me. Bob Laviguer Dead and loving it :) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 10:22:45 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:12:21 -0700 From: Bill Douglas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The aliens have landed...And they're ready to party! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > sao@mit.edu wrote: > > > > Derek Schwab , Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0400 > > > > >> Cue the subwoofer sound effects from upstairs, and put the washing > > >> machine on "Spin" with a load of bricks, so the whole house shakes. : > > > > > >Do you realy put bricks in the washer? > > > > *smile!* No, I don't! Actually, there was a smiley (" :^) ") after > > that line to show that it was a joke. > > You had me worried for a minute! I'm glad to know you have not lost your > mind! > Maybe you could use something in the washer (sandbags?) that would make > a lot of noise and sound like a spaceship landing. Try a couple pair of sneakers in a dryer set on air dry, the thumping and banging when you dry shoes is enormous and the shoes aren't heavy or hard enough to damage anything. Bill ----------------------------------------- Don't bother sending me your theory on the creation of the Cosmos, I'm only the electronics engineer. ----------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri Apr 25 10:36:15 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:10:47 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: Kiddie Torment (was: touch-me-not) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>We also had clowns from the "Clown Ministry" who came to the *>rescue and so enchanted the poor kids the problem got worked out in good *>order! Bravo! We had a similar situation at a Make-A-Wish Halloween party I was working at. Some of the teenage volunteers had set up a "Spook Room" (You'd all have been pretty offended by this one! Really cheezy!), and most of the little kids were too scared to go in alone. They tried the "all kids hold hands" routine, but it didn't work. So, we clowns volunteered to go in with the younger kids and hold their hands through it. Most of them remarked afterwards, "that wasn't scary!" As long as somebody is holding your hand, it usually isn't. In retrospect, this spook room wasn't scary. The teenagers could've done much worse (worse=more frightening to kids), even with the white bedroom sheets, cheap fright masks and black trashbags they had to work with (see, I said you'd be offended!). But to a 5-7 year old, a bedsheet that's moving is pretty scary...;) For a 'kids day' at a haunt, having a friendly (so long as the kid isn't clownaphobic) person, such as a clown, elf, whatnot, to guide them through can make it a lot more fun and safer for the kid and