Hallow-days! Compliments of the Redneck Raptor! Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 20:04:06 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:25:56 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Welcome Angele, You don't have to be a pro on this list, just have the love of halloween!!! You will know more than you ever thought possible before this is over. I hope you all have a great gathering...the northern meeting was a real starting point for some great works ahead. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 20:13:36 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:36:04 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB, You and the rest of the gang is always welcome!!! But don't be surprised if you are handed a prop!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 20:15:36 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:57:59 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: >I welcome any insight, ideas, or experiances that anyone may have on > [black vs. white vs. ??? scares] I picked up a book about "Negro Ghost Stories" recently. I noticed two things that recurred from story to story. The first was that every time a white dog appeared in a story, it was a good spirit. The second was that there were a lot of stories about what was called a "Plat Eye". This was the ghost of someone who hadn't received a proper burial, and was always a mean spirit. You might ask around to find out if these are still archetypes in black folk lore. -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 20:23:17 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:43:03 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John, "Your best bet is to make up your design team with members of your community. Then brainstorm and work things out.." This is a great reply. If you use people that know the area and know the superstitions than you will have less chance of offending someone!! It will be great fun!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 20:27:56 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:47:49 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ghouls, earlier someone asked did I know where my fear came from. I am not sure but I do know that I can take a shadow and turn it into the creature under the bed!! I can hear a noise and just know that something is going to get me. I can see the same movie 10 times and still jump when the thing jumps out!! I don't know why...hubby was quite surprised when I became so envolved in Halloween. He really thinks it is funny! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:07:08 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:58:03 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > > At 03:20 PM 4/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >hello fellow frightners, > > > > I have debated posting this to the list for quite awhile, and recent > >post on religion and sex have given me the courage to post on this > >subject. > > > > The town we live in is 72% black, this causes us some interesting > >considerations in our haunt... > > (Snip) > > It's an interesting challenge, but difficult to give advice....Towns and > areas all have different demographics, and even then are broken down further > as to what group "a" will enjoy vice group "b". Your best bet is to make up > your design team with members of your community. Then brainstorm and work > things out..After all, fright and entertainment is the top priority. Your > team will know what your particular demographic area will enjoy. > > As a humorous plug, bend a golf club around a prop named "Fuzz" ;) > > *For those that don't know, Fuzzy Zeoler (sp) made a crack about Tiger Woods > after he (Tiger) whopped everyone in the Masters tournament...Fuzzy is known > to be the wise-crack golfer.* > > John--Who cares about entertainment, not skin tone. > ********************************* > * Mr.Scary Productions * > * http://www.mrscary.com * > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > * 1-812-824-8935 * > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > ********************************* Hi John, An excellent idea. Get together a cross section of community members and pass ideas around. I do like the golf club idea, although I feel Fuzzy is getting a bad rap, he is known for slamming other golfers with much worse, oh well, by the way I'm not politically correct and if you have ever visited my haunt you would know it. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:07:15 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:39:12 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > Harry wrote: > > a camera is mechanical, sure, but it is a TOOL. A tool in the > hands of a craftsman can do much more than it can alone. Don't let the > tools lead. I despise the habit in computers of people who are so > enamored of the technological prowess that they forsake everythign else. > This leads to such things as computer movies that claim to be games but > have no play value whatsoever. You have those who measure a worth by how > new and powerful it is. In the hands of such an idiot, the device has no > extra value. Yet a workhorse in the hands of a craftsman can so do much > more. > > Jerry’s response: > WE agree, it takes talent to use a "tool" like "phantomechanics" in a HH > I would agree it is EASIER to do it with actors. > I still say that a good designer can make the tool work, but it is HARDER. > > JBCorn said in his book himself that he would rather use an air ram > than pay an operator and that an operator would not perform the task > in a consistent way. (page 56 dark attraction advanced design) > > from this book: "I have a problem paying someone $5 an hour to stand > and do this, Not because a human can be more effective, > but because the individual usually doing this, dose it wrong 90% of the > time." > > I did not write this, JBCorn did. But I AGREE. > > Remember that Disney had an internal disagreement on whether > the Haunted Mansion should be mild or REALLY SCARY! > > The "mild" camp won out. But does anyone doubt that they could have made > their “tools” and robots and automatic devices REALLY SCARY? > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) > (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Hello Jerry, My words. But applied a little misleadingly. I believe in air rams, animatronics and computer controlled effects. I do not support the same delivering the scare. I use an operator, human, to determine when to deliver the scare, the rest is part of the set-up. Automatic scares fail to deliver because they cannot take into account where the customer is looking. Auto-scares are either in a sequence locked to electronic controls or are triggered by a sensor. True you will scare some people, but you will miss the majority, therefore these effects must be entertaining. I was frightened as a child in the Haunted House at the State Fair of Texas, it was a ride. The Disney Haunted Mansion does scare people, usually young ones. I know adults that are scared of their shadow. In general excluding exceptions as noted animatronics are entertaining, I am not moved to consider them otherwise. I have been playing at this since 1966 and professionally since 1979. I am willing to travel to see my view proven wrong and will admit to same in print should it happen. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:07:08 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:54:46 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chuck Woolery./What's your sign? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gertrude Smith wrote: > > Oliver Holler wrote: > > > > JB Corn wrote: > > I am an entertainer, puppets, costumed character, TV/Film Producer > > director, on stage, giving seminars (snip) I am pure ham, as apposed to > > spam, and I enjoy scaring, entertaining, and informing people. > > > > Sounds like we've made a love connection! What's your sign? ;) > > Grim and Grinning, > > Oliver > > > > hauntedattr@pelican.net > > http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine > WHOLE HOG, HALF HAM (Arkansas, by damn) > Anyone want to come up with a astrological chart for Halloweeners, based > on personnae? Cat, bat, wolf, fangs, claws, scales, furball, ET, > monster, ghoul, ghost, etc. > Oh, yeah...Just 'cause you could only dress up as a bunny rabbit as a > kid don't mean you're stuck with (furball) for the rest of your > Hallow-days! > Compliments of the Redneck Raptor! > Gertrude Smith > gsraptor@arkansas.net Howdy from Texas, Well I am a Saggitarian. Cursed for life to be a cuddle bunny with out a suite. Actually I have an Easter Bunny suite, Santa Suite, Spiderman and more costumes. I live for a chance to "hide my idenity" so I can get out of control, he he he *LOL*. Actually I have a vision for an adult haunted house with all the holidays represented, not that I think it would be commercially viable (who wants to see Santa feasting on the Easter Bunnies guts?). It was a thought. However, I am single, again, and always looking for... jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:10:44 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:04:54 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: more politically incorrect(long-ish) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > Here's a question: Are there any black members on this list? > (I know there are white members, because I have met a few.) > Not for any reason but curiosity. > > Jimmy wrote(in black and white!) " I do hope that this post does not > offend..."(snipped) > . . .my hearses cause more of a stir in the black community than in the white. > > Jimmy and all, > > Not to offend equally as much: I find that ANYTHING about my haunt causes > more of a stir in the black patrons than in the white. > > I guess I am generalizing, (finding this a consistant, recurring common > trait.) Just an observation from my location's haunt. Unfortunately, even > though there is a sizable black community in Asheville, North Carolina, the > majority of the patrons are white. And last year, for the FIRST time ever, > we had a black man volunteer to help. (He was so helpful and 'in the > spirit'. I wish we had more volunteers like him!) > Is this a common observation with list folk? (not helpfulness- > Participation/Attendance). > And a second question:(I'm guessing yes. . .) Why? > And I'll take one more step. . . > The black audiences ALWAYS come out screaming, and laughing, and expressing > themselves as I wish ALL my patrons would. (and sometimes I wonder if they > even looked at HALF the stuff!) > This would suggest that it doesn't even MATTER (safety aside) what's in > your haunt. > The attitude of the patron can make ALL the difference. > If they are determined (pre-disposed?) to have a good time, they WILL have > a good time. I think this would be hard to argue with. > > Now, if someone could invent an 'attitude machine' for the cue line, > everyone could have a 'brilliant haunted house'. > > Anyone have anything to say 'bout Pre-conditioning audiences? > > (I hated the movie Scream, and obviously missed something. It's STILL > playing at the theatre, and has broken records! I figure I wasn't in the > right 'mind set' when I first saw it, so I will go see it again, and try to > join y'all in the enthusiasm for this much-lauded cinematic > accomplishment.) > > -Be forewarned: I don't see myself making the leap of comparing with > Hitchcock. . . > > (I don't watch the tv show 'Friends' either, for those who want to send > private flames, preferably not on a cross! ;-) > > -"In e-mail text, we're ALL black." > -Oliver, 'peachy-freckledy-pink-and-whit-ish thirty-something-male-American.' > > I may not be politically correct, but my glasses are color corrected. . . > > hauntedattr@pelican.net > http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine Hey Ollie, You are forgiven for not enjoying Screams, I think that type of "B" movie takes a certain mind set for which you should be thankful that you do not possess, actually my mind set I wish on no one. I have used blacks as actors since 1991. I find that they do an excellent job and usually better than some of my whites. I do not often get a mexican but the few I have had work did very well indeed. Because I do not use a lot of masks, I have to rely on character faces with touches of make-up. And yes I find the ethnic customers do enjoy my haunt more so than the non-ethnic. Where can I get that attitude adjustment machine? jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:14:57 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:54:23 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > JB, > You and the rest of the gang is always welcome!!! But don't be > surprised if you are handed a prop!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Hey Kathy, I am scary in street clothes, no prop needed, where when? jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:14:57 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:53:26 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholi Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Welcome Angele, > You don't have to be a pro on this list, just have the love of > halloween!!! You will know more than you ever thought possible before > this is over. I hope you all have a great gathering...the northern > meeting was a real starting point for some great works ahead. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Hi Angele, Shes right, We all learn from each other, and this is a great place to do it. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sun Apr 27 21:23:57 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:49:51 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (JB scribed) >An excellent idea. Get together a cross section of community members >and pass ideas around. I do like the golf club idea, although I feel >Fuzzy is getting a bad rap, he is known for slamming other golfers with >much worse, oh well, by the way I'm not politically correct and if you >have ever visited my haunt you would know it. >jbcorn We try to gather a diverse group in the planning stages, but it's tough to pull off. And true Fuzzy has said much worse to about other golfers, he's just that comical type....And I don't think people would call me politically correct either, if they could have seen what we did to Santa last year..Muahahahaha :> John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 01:51:27 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:46:42 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Planning Planning Planning! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, Yes, I've been preparing for the big party. Is anyone else planning for their huge events? (Like anyone on this list issent!!) Tell us your plans and ideas. Instead of the LCD projector, I think I am going to take the idea of useing 16 tv's and making a 4x4 tv wall, I think that would be alot more efficient too! I'm planning on using a hazer for outdoor fogging, does anyone have any results with that?? I really don't know what to expect, wheather it will all (or some) blow away. Please share your trials and tribulations on this subject. Thanx, Happy Haunting Fiber Optic.. -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 01:52:06 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:47:39 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-27 23:58:54 EDT, you write: << child in the Haunted House at the State Fair of Texas, it was a ride. The Disney Haunted Mansion does scare people, usually young ones. I know adults that are scared of their shadow. In general excluding exceptions as note >> Hi JBcorn You misunderstood. I guess it is not common knowledge but back when Disney was in the design phase of the HM, two camps argued of the "scare" rating that they would use. One camp thought that their customers would expect "Disney" to be the best HH ever! That would mean making it VERY SCARY! The other camp thought that it would not be good for families. The family camp won the debate. BUT had Disney decided to go the SCARY rout with their robots.... are you saying they would have FAILED? I think the movie analogy is a great one. NO human is operating when the scare happen. It is a build up in a carefully planned automatic mechanical system. AND IT WORKS Maybe because you don’t believe in the devil, you only fear the human threat? Even so, The proper use of “TOM TOMS” and mechanical devise can work. I am bewildered that someone of you background is making such an all encompassing “absolute” statement that it is not possible. I believe “anything” is “possible” well....mostly... At least enough not to ignore a possible avenue.. Again don’t misunderstand me, in my book I mention only one automatic device. Because it IS easier to do the effects with humans.. I just don’t like closing doors for others just because I cant do it... I am in the martial arts and have had my students prove me wrong when I taught them something that they should NOT do because I could not do it. I try to say “it is less of a gamble to do it this way because I have the experience, but on you own time, try and use what WORKS for you. My heart tells me I am right about all my martial arts training, but my head knows that if I restrict them to only my way, no progress will accrue. If no progress occurs, than I will be right, my way WILL be the only way. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 02:09:06 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:37:49 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > > (JB scribed) > > >An excellent idea. Get together a cross section of community members > >and pass ideas around. I do like the golf club idea, although I feel > >Fuzzy is getting a bad rap, he is known for slamming other golfers with > >much worse, oh well, by the way I'm not politically correct and if you > >have ever visited my haunt you would know it. > >jbcorn > > We try to gather a diverse group in the planning stages, but it's tough to > pull off. And true Fuzzy has said much worse to about other golfers, he's > just that comical type....And I don't think people would call me politically > correct either, if they could have seen what we did to Santa last > year..Muahahahaha :> > > John > ********************************* > * Mr.Scary Productions * > * http://www.mrscary.com * > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > * 1-812-824-8935 * > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > ********************************* OK John, I feel left out. I have never had the nerve to trash Santa. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 06:00:52 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:55:22 -0400 From: cstowell@cstone.net (Carl Stowell) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > My new nextdoor neighbor (Feb. 97) asked me what all of the lumber in my > driveway was for. When I responded "Why, it's for Halloween! Didn't > they tell you about me before you moved in?" He mumbled "no" and went > back into his house. I think he may be ultra-Christian, and > anti-Halloween. Wish me luck! Uhoh, I pity you. Once I had my yard totally decked out and some members of the baptist church three blocks from me came by and inspected my setup. They were extremely interested in my graveyard. It seems I had put three cross-type tombstones side-by-side. I don't know it just looked cool when I was setting it up. They were way in the back of a 15 tombstone graveyard. I don't have to tell you the fuss they made over it. I had done it totally by accident and it really ticked them off. They said something about sin, and didn't like the fact that you could see it from the road. They asked me to take it down, and I told them I'd think about it.. Of course I didn't.. Funny thing is, that ever since then I've been doing it the same way hoping to get more church goers into halloween.. God, if they got pissed at some gravestones, what would they have thought about the ritualistic human sacrafice??? hahaha ______________________________________________________________________ Carl F. Stowell /\ "Develop for it? I'll piss on it!" Network Administrator || -W. Gates stand on Microsoft's software Robinson, Farmer, Cox Assoc.|| development strategy for Next computers. mailto:cstowell@cstone.net \/ http://www.cstone.net/~cstowell ->My rantings do not reflect my company's, however they are similar<- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 06:40:08 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:07:24 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chuck Woolery./What's your sign? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JBCorn, there is a movie out that all the kids just love...The Nightmare Before Christmas"!!! It made a ton of money. And all ages like it...so maybe your haunt is not so out of touch!! > Actually I have a vision for an > adult haunted house with all the holidays represented, not that I think > it would be commercially viable Kathy the new kid on the haunt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 06:48:06 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:18:11 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JBCorn, We live in a small town in Northern California. If you are into wine and the wine country at all the name will ring familiar...Sonoma! Some of us up here are trying to see if our haunts get set up soon enough we can all go check each other out!! It is so much better to see things live. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 07:27:34 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:16:03 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > John P. Jeffries wrote: > > > > (JB scribed) > > > > >An excellent idea. Get together a cross section of community members > > >and pass ideas around. By the way I'm not politically correct and if you > > >have ever visited my haunt you would know it. > > >jbcorn > > > > We try to gather a diverse group in the planning stages, but it's tough to > > pull off. ...And I don't think people would call me politically > > correct either, if they could have seen what we did to Santa last > > year..Muahahahaha :> > > > > John > > ********************************* > > * Mr.Scary Productions * > > * http://www.mrscary.com * > > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > > * 1-812-824-8935 * > > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > > ********************************* > OK John, > I feel left out. I have never had the nerve to trash Santa. > jbcorn If I remember correct, a HH in Memphis, TN shut down a Santa scene based on the "Silent Night, Deadly Night" movie series. Somehow, folks just couldn't tolerate seeing the jolly ol' elf with an axe in a blood splattered setting (details unknown). I'd be interested in knowing how it went for John even if I personally wouldn't "do in" children's traditional favorite characters. Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely different entree! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 07:45:23 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:38:55 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Carl Stowell wrote: > > Uhoh, I pity you. Once I had my yard totally decked out and some members > of the baptist church three blocks from me came by and inspected my > setup. They were extremely interested in my graveyard. It seems I had > put three cross-type tombstones side-by-side. I don't know it just > looked cool when I was setting it up. They were way in the back of a 15 > tombstone graveyard. > > I don't have to tell you the fuss they made over it. I had done it > totally by accident and it really ticked them off. They said something > about sin, and didn't like the fact that you could see it from the road. > They asked me to take it down, and I told them I'd think about it.. Of > course I didn't.. > > Funny thing is, that ever since then I've been doing it the same way > hoping to get more church goers into halloween.. > > God, if they got pissed at some gravestones, what would they have > thought about the ritualistic human sacrafice??? > > hahaha > Were they upset about you having crosses in your cemetery, or having them so far in the back? You could explain they were Catholic stones, and that might make them happy. After all, three fewer Catholics. -- Bob Andrews, Catholic. bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 07:45:56 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:41:15 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Storage Shed. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My storage shed is finally finished! Now I can store my cemetery fence and reclaim my garage! (woo-hoo) -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:03:13 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 07:56:53 PDT From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > I'll shut up now & stick to just the straight lines... > > > > Boy, what a tough audience. > > You don't hsve to shut up, just Don't confuse me like that! > Sorry I messed up you joke. You didn't mess up the joke, you just volunteed to be the new straight man. B-) THomas THomas W Oliver |"Daemons are a Ghoul's best Fiend" Network Security Officer | telephone: 619 458-2175 Science Applications International Corp.| fax: 619 535-7860 4110 Campus Point Court MS G2 | e-mail: oliver@nemesis.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | e-mail: Thomas.W.Oliver@saic.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:08:59 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:56:53 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chuck Woolery./What's your sign? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > JBCorn, > there is a movie out that all the kids just love...The Nightmare > Before Christmas"!!! It made a ton of money. And all ages like it...so > maybe your haunt is not so out of touch!! > > > Actually I have a vision for an > > adult haunted house with all the holidays represented, not that I think > > it would be commercially viable > > Kathy > the new kid on the haunt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Hi Kathy, Went to its premier, own a t-shirt with Jack Skellington, the behind the scenes book and of course the video, thanx jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:09:35 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:53:34 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-27 23:58:54 EDT, you write: > > << child in the Haunted House at the > State Fair of Texas, it was a ride. The Disney Haunted Mansion does > scare people, usually young ones. I know adults that are scared of > their shadow. > In general excluding exceptions as note >> > > Hi JBcorn > > You misunderstood. > > I guess it is not common knowledge but back when Disney > was in the design phase of the HM, > two camps argued of the "scare" rating that they would use. > > One camp thought that their customers would expect "Disney" > to be the best HH ever! That would mean making it VERY > SCARY! > > The other camp thought that it would not be good for families. > The family camp won the debate. > > BUT had Disney decided to go the SCARY rout with > their robots.... > > are you saying they would have FAILED? > > I think the movie analogy is a great one. NO human > is operating when the scare happen. It is a build up > in a carefully planned automatic mechanical system. > AND IT WORKS > > Maybe because you don’t believe in the devil, > you only fear the human threat? > > Even so, The proper use of “TOM TOMS” > and mechanical devise can work. > I am bewildered that someone of you background > is making such an all encompassing > “absolute” statement that it is not possible. > I believe “anything” is “possible” > > well....mostly... > > At least enough not to ignore a possible avenue.. > > Again don’t misunderstand me, in my book I mention > only one automatic device. Because it IS easier > to do the effects with humans.. > > I just don’t like closing doors for others just because > I cant do it... > > I am in the martial arts and have had my students > prove me wrong when I taught them something that > they should NOT do because I could not do it. > I try to say “it is less of a gamble to do it this way > because I have the experience, but on you own time, > try and use what WORKS for you. > > My heart tells me I am right about all my > martial arts training, but my head knows that > if I restrict them to only my way, no progress > will accrue. > > If no progress occurs, than I will be right, > my way WILL be the only way. > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) > (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Hello Jerry, I enjoy a good debate. OK ground rules, or parameters. There are those that are afraid of their own shadows and those that are too macho to admit to being frightened, these people are the exception. And children under the age of 12, although I know some six year olds that have no fear at all. For the sake of argument we'll say that I have eliminated half the customer base. It is this customer base that I do not believe can be scared by computer operated animatronics with no human input at critical times. I base this on tow things. One the thrill rides offered at amusement parks and a haunt experiment by me in 1993. The 1993 experiment. I operate my haunt the entire month of October, every night, even though some nights we have no customers. This year I was playing with many remote and operator effects during the first two weeks. A customer group going thru the haunt saw only three scenes with humans. The bulk of the scares were sounds, puppets/dummies and other objects. YES we scared them, YES they reacted and screamed. At this time, however, I was learning to entertain, and I knew what type of exit comments I was looking for... those comments were not there, instead I heard comments like "I think we just went thru the first automated haunted house", "Did you see anybody?", "Where were the monsters?", etc. Hmm, Could Disney have done it? I don't know, I challange anyone to make a truly horrific haunt completely automated with no human input during operation. On the other hand I do believe an automated haunt could be very entertaining and scare half the customers, its the other half I am after and I regurally nail the macho types with our style. When one of this type falls in a group, the whole group comes apart, I love it. I am not against animatronics, I do not see it replacing actors in my lifetime, And I will challenge any automated haunt to have the same effect on customers as mine. And for the right amount of money wagered I would set up next to one and eat its lunch. He He He all in fun, jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:12:09 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 07:58:23 PDT From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Blood pressure's goin' up [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I'm gettin' upset. > > Does anyone have a copy of Deltacad version 2.3 that they can attach to an > email or FTP to me? They make a great program, but they don't have the > sense to avoid using AOL as an FTP server. I can't get more than 75% of the > file before I lose the socket. > Did you ever resolve this? I can try to help if you need it. THomas From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:13:11 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:00:46 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > JBCorn, > We live in a small town in Northern California. If you are into wine > and the wine country at all the name will ring familiar...Sonoma! Some > of us up here are trying to see if our haunts get set up soon enough we > can all go check each other out!! It is so much better to see things > live. > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Hi again, I enjoy seeing haunts and early on is about the only time I have to do it. The problem with that is that most haunts do not have their act together early on, because I experiment early on, and other haunts are just trying to get up and running early on visits don't work sometimes. I try to visit a haunt a day halloween week. I arrive early and am first or so in line, then leave like a bat to oversee my haunt. I get more ideas to steal, eh, borrow and a better show. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:22:34 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:11:19 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gertrude Smith wrote: > > OK John, > > I feel left out. I have never had the nerve to trash Santa. > > jbcorn > If I remember correct, a HH in Memphis, TN shut down a Santa scene based > on the "Silent Night, Deadly Night" movie series. Somehow, folks just > couldn't tolerate seeing the jolly ol' elf with an axe in a blood > splattered setting (details unknown). I'd be interested in knowing how > it went for John even if I personally wouldn't "do in" children's > traditional favorite characters. Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely > different entree! For last Christmas I wanted to have a crashed sleigh on my roof with little chalked reindeer outlines on my lawn, smashed presents littering my yard and "Police line do not cross" tape around the perimeter. Mrs. Bob said no. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:30:16 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:20:49 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Roaming Theatre Monsters (was RE: Scream...) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>But what would have REALLY freaked me out is if at the end of the movie, a *>costumed "SCREAMER" came charging up the isles, I would have had a *>stroke!... *sigh* What ever happened to all the old "ballyhoo". *> I remember a drive-in back in my native Illinois (for those of you who remember what drive-ins were, there aren't many left in this VideoCassette/DVD days) that had 'live' monsters roaming the lot while horror movies were playing. One guy I went to high school with did this. Minimum wage, but he *sure* enjoyed it. Wandering up and down the lot, startling people coming out of the snackbar (the management told him to do that so they'd spill their popcorn/drinks and have to buy more) and skulking up to cars to scratch on the windows and startle teenagers watching the movie. 'Course, he also caught a lot of teenagers not watching the movie, if you get my drift...;) Maybe that's why he enjoyed the job. Nowadays he'd probably get shot. Or at least sued. Kinda reminds me of 'Matinee', with John Goodman. About the horror movie 'king' who used seat buzzers and live people into the theatres during his bad movies.... -bill. -- "You see, it's like I've always said: 'You can get more with a kind word and a two-by-four than you can with just a kind word'. - Marcus Cole ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:33:38 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:22:55 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gertrude Smith wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > > > John P. Jeffries wrote: > > > > > > (JB scribed) > > > > > > >An excellent idea. Get together a cross section of community members > > > >and pass ideas around. > By the way I'm not politically correct and if you > > > >have ever visited my haunt you would know it. > > > >jbcorn > > > > > > We try to gather a diverse group in the planning stages, but it's tough to > > > pull off. ...And I don't think people would call me politically > > > correct either, if they could have seen what we did to Santa last > > > year..Muahahahaha :> > > > > > > John > > > ********************************* > > > * Mr.Scary Productions * > > > * http://www.mrscary.com * > > > * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * > > > * 1-812-824-8935 * > > > * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * > > > ********************************* > > OK John, > > I feel left out. I have never had the nerve to trash Santa. > > jbcorn > If I remember correct, a HH in Memphis, TN shut down a Santa scene based > on the "Silent Night, Deadly Night" movie series. Somehow, folks just > couldn't tolerate seeing the jolly ol' elf with an axe in a blood > splattered setting (details unknown). I'd be interested in knowing how > it went for John even if I personally wouldn't "do in" children's > traditional favorite characters. Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely > different entree! HI, I'll serve Barney up in recognizable slices for parents will love this scene, but for lights on tours we would of course cover it up. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 08:39:26 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:30:50 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Blood pressure's goin' up [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Deltacad version 2.3 >Did you ever resolve this? I can try to help if you need it. Thanks, Thomas. I finally was able to download it myself. Have a good week. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 09:11:46 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:06:53 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Jason R wrote: >> Not that we don't have anything gory here. In fact it is more of just >> creating a a setting and let your mind make of it what it will. To get kids >> to say COOL and have them be a bit afraid to enter the yard, it doesnt take >> blood and guts.. Nope. >> >> So. I think it is what you make of it. If you see it as good clean fun, >> {Rather than eggs and whip cream all over your car} then it's okay. >> >> Jay >> >> P.S The kids in our area JUST LOVE IT!. >If the kids say "COOL!" and these parents say "CUTE!", you've broken the >barrier! (Even if you're supposed to be a SCARY thingie!) Well, the parents don't say cute.. they just laugh and say neat or cool also. Maybe I did break thur the barrier of the notion that something can't be scary and cute at the same time.. I don't know. It's just a fun thing to do each year!. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 09:16:58 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: David Copperfield's "Flying Crank Ghosts"? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Last week, David Copperfield had his annual magic show on NBC. This year's >theme was "Unexplained Forces". One of the skits involved a portion of a >haunted house on stage, where David was bound and put inside. All of a >sudden there is paper flying around and such. > >The part that grabbed me though, was when "ghosts" started flying out of the >house and stage. There seemed to be more than 10 to 20 ghosts at one time. I >said to myself, " This has got to be a VERY large-scale version of the >Flying Crank Ghost", which has been described at various times in the list. > >It really was a good illusion. Any thoughts as to if I'm right about how it >was done? Hmm. I will ask about this. But, when I saw it.. They looked well, Fake.. Something like a blue screen effect almost. Take alook at the tape of the show if you have it.. Look closly at the edge of the ghosts, it is very "Strange" looking, reminds me of when the weather man stands in front of the map. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 09:18:07 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:13:27 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: David Copperfield's "Flying Crank Ghosts"? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Last week, David Copperfield had his annual magic show on NBC. This year's >theme was "Unexplained Forces". One of the skits involved a portion of a >haunted house on stage, where David was bound and put inside. All of a >sudden there is paper flying around and such. Hey that reminds me. When he puts the people into the house, and it blows up and everyone inside of it is gone.. David looks at the camara and the look on his face seems to be like he is says "I'M MAD AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!" Well, what did he think was going to happen. He has this house that is haunted here, he was just going to put it on the stage and think the spirts would do as he wish's and not cause trouble?. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 09:18:14 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:14:24 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jason R Subject: Re: Smoke Rings {Is before I forget again!} Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >In a message dated 97-04-25 10:50:23 EDT, you write: > ><< Going thur the old Lighting Dimensions 96-97 buyers guide and look what I > find... > > Towards 2000 INC=Lightforce > Vesuvius smoke rign generator blows a 3ft smoke ring 2ft to 500ft! > Sounds just like what we were talking about!. > > Jay > > P.S Yes I am drooling over all the great new strobes, and foggers and > lights in the guide!. > >> >---------------------------------------- >Hi Jay >How much dose it (the smoke ring cannon) cost? >jerry They don't give a price list. This is bascily just a "Whats New" guide. I {Or someone on the list} would have to call and ask. Jay ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Roland- Yes, I support Mac's!. -- -- Member FDC {Beach Club lighting tech} -- -- Webmaster of the VRC Homepage. All Disney, all the time. -- -- Http://www.vivanet.com/~thelazer -- -- "I told'em the truth, and they fell for it"-Harry Anderson -- ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 09:24:14 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:55:59 -0700 From: jrbaas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and Creatathon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > Hi Will and others We are definatly very interested getting together for a create-a-thon. What a great opportunity to get together and share ideas, and tips etc. Even though we are not mechanical geniouses (s?) (though Dwayne has come up with some pretty creative things) we are good at general idea/theme brainstorming stuff. We are in the San Fernando valley. We would be willing to go to someplace to get together (as long as it is not in a galaxy far, far away) somewhere and to carpool there. We would have replied sooner but this *&@$#@!! computer had other things in mind. Still have about 280 emails to get through :0 Julie and Dwayne The crypt Keepin' 2 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:04:15 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:43:49 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: EarthQuakes, Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: > > Hi Ghouls, > I am just checking to make sure all of the southern cal ghouls are > all upright. You all have had a couple of big shakers down there > today. Hope all is well, I would hate to see any computer damage! ;-) Rode it out without any damage here in South Pasadena. I woke up for the bigger ones on Saturday and Sunday mornings. I knew they were both around 5 because I didn't have time to think "Is this ever going to end?". If I get that far, I know its above 6 and probably 7 or better. My boss (his home is in Valencia, right on top of the 4.9) didn't fare as well. Had some furniture tossed around, bookshelves emptying their contents, etc. Someday, I'm thinking I'll build an earthquake room in my Haunted House. I could build the room as a box, mounted on some old automotive leaf springs. Figure out some way to keep the room solid until everyone is inside. Release the mechanism and give everyone a nice 8.5 shake. That should scare 'em ... at least here in Southern California. I've noticed that the virgin quake riders have trouble figuring out what is happening when they first experience a quake. Most have to be told "That was an Earthquake" before they get excited. Then they all want to catch the first plane home ... If they have recently moved here, they spend weeks thinking "What have I done?" and get nervous everytime a truck rumbles by. A side note: We keep having these really nice days on January 1, when the Rose Parade gets televised to a snowed-in world. I keep suggesting that they should shake the cameras a little, and have everyone scream "Earthquake!" At least folks would think twice before they sold the farm and moved west. I guess they could put a brown gel on the lens and tell everyone how bad the smog is. ;-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:12:09 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Re: Uh-oh! (not enough candy) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:09:50 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Gertrude Smith wrote: >have a good show around here when kids are "bussed in" by the car full. >Normally, this is only done to the "Country Club" area, based on >economic theory. They come here for the theatrics, costumes and candy. What's a good neighboorhood haunt without van's full of guests? We too have people coming in by the car load. Being a semi-private neighboorhood, I'm sure some of our neighbors don't appreciate it... But we haven't had a single bad comment from either them or the association except for "I ran out of candy!". That's one of the ways we judge the total throughput. Since it's hard to count the repeat visitors at our haunt, we rely on a nice lady down the street to report how much candy she handed out. Last year, she said about 800 pieces! That meant actual throughput on our haunt was between 1100-1200 guests. Cool stuff, but getting pretty big for one night. :) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:12:09 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: EarthQuakes... as a Halloween effect? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:02:27 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: > I am just checking to make sure all of the southern cal ghouls are all >upright. You all have had a couple of big shakers down there today. Hope >all is well, I would hate to see any computer damage! ;-) Hmmmm.... I didn't even notice we had one... Perhaps an earthquake would make a good Halloween effect... Nah, nobody from this area would even notice the shaking. :-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:18:58 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:58:35 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil, Is Santa Maria a part of Southern California? :-) I thought you guys only did tri-tip BBQ! I like the idea of a get-together, but for us people SOUTH of Los Angeles, Santa Maria is a pretty long drive. For LA and Orange County people, I will offer up my house or office for a meeting, both in central Orange County. Perhaps we can video conference both groups together? You know how reliable computers are... ;) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:44:23 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:32:05 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and Creatathon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > what we need is suggestions and input. I'm interested in getting together. I'm wondering, though, what the boundaries of "our region" are. Santa Maria would be a very long drive for the folks from San Diego, especially if they had to transit LA (read Brave the Traffic) to get there. As a native Southern Californian, I would consider San Francisco as Northern California (or at least central). Of course everyone is welcome, no matter which part of the state (or states) they came from, but a Southern California gathering should be central to Southern California (as the freeway goes). Sounds like Santa Maria could attend both the Northern and Southern California events. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:47:59 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? continued... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:38:29 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: >...during operation. On the other hand I do believe an automated haunt >could be very entertaining and scare half the customers, its the other >half I am after and I regurally nail the macho types with our style. >When one of this type falls in a group, the whole group comes apart, I >love it. I've gotta agree. We've done it both ways: in early years we did it very actor intensive, then moved on into almost total animation. It's still the live actor saying "Boo" that scares the crap out of the macho man. A couple of years ago I was dressed in black, with a black cape and hood, and some makeup. I was standing still against a wall. Some 40 something guy with his kids came walking up to me, trying to see if I was a dummy (no wisecracks out there...). He kept creeping closer, kind of hunched over, seeing if I'd react. I didn't - until he reached out to touch me. A moved my hand towards his, he jumped and yelled - so did his kids. Such a low tech thing works so well... I really HATE that low-tech works well. I'm a tech-head. I'd rather totally program the whole show than have a bunch of actors hanging around. But experience shows what works best. Choose what effect you're after: if you're going for the SCARE, use live actors; if you're going for the SHOW, use a combination; if you're going for a job at Disneyland, use all animation. :-) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 10:58:52 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:51:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Haunts...long To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (ideas listed from jbcorn) Ah, research! How do you keep your ideas in a permanent form? I tape a small tape recorder with me and describe everything in sight. Only one haunted house caught me and threw me out, claiming proprietary. (there was nothing worth seeing in there anyways). Got my microphone setup improved now, a small tie mike clipped to my jacket so I can now talk into my shirt instead of my hand (grin) Harry "where's the blank tapes when you need them?" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 11:21:02 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:12:36 -0700 From: Greenrey To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > Were they upset about you having crosses in your cemetery, or having > them so far in the back? You could explain they were Catholic stones, > and that might make them happy. After all, three fewer Catholics. It's probably the reference to the crucifixion - you know, Christ was crucified on the center of three crosses... -Kevan -- "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." --Robert Heinlein greenrey@worldnet.att.net -or- awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us Visit Greenrey's Study at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 11:59:27 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: EarthQuakes, Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I like the idea! Of course, the room should offer no suggestion of earthquake theme (whatever that would be), but be a "typical" haunt room, with "loose" objects tethered on the shelves or in piles. Take some examples from Disney, say "Roger Rabbit's Car-toon Spin". Have loaded shelves "about" to fall on the group, light fixtures swaying and flickering, maybe a "cracked" water or gas line, shake for a while (*good* sound fx required!), blackout, and emergency exit light fade up as the shaking finally levels out... Oooooohhhhhh! Dave On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, david c schwend wrote: > Someday, I'm thinking I'll build an earthquake room in my Haunted House. > I could build the room as a box, mounted on some old automotive leaf > springs. Figure out some way to keep the room solid until everyone is > inside. Release the mechanism and give everyone a nice 8.5 shake. That > should scare 'em ... at least here in Southern California. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 11:59:47 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:47:12 -0700 From: Bill Douglas To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer wrote: > > Wil, > Is Santa Maria a part of Southern California? :-) I thought you guys only > did tri-tip BBQ! I like the idea of a get-together, but for us people SOUTH > of Los Angeles, Santa Maria is a pretty long drive. For LA and Orange > County people, I will offer up my house or office for a meeting, both in > central Orange County. > > Perhaps we can video conference both groups together? You know how reliable > computers are... ;) > > Bob I would vote for central Orange County if people from San Diego are really interested in coming up, Santa Maria would be a good 5 hour drive for them. Bill -- ----------------------------------------- Don't bother sending me your theory on the creation of the Cosmos, I'm only the electronics engineer. ----------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 12:15:10 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:07:42 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greenrey wrote: > It's probably the reference to the crucifixion - you know, Christ was > crucified on the center of three crosses... > > -Kevan Hmmm. I see. It sounds like those folks need a different hobby. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 12:39:22 1997 To: Halloween-L From: William E Rompala Date: 28 Apr 97 15:25:52 EDT Subject: Re: EarthQuakes, Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I like the idea! Of course, the room should offer no suggestion >of earthquake theme (whatever that would be), but be a "typical" >haunt room, with "loose" objects tethered on the shelves or in >piles. Take some examples from Disney, say "Roger Rabbit's Car-toon Spin". >Have loaded shelves "about" to fall on the group, light fixtures >swaying and flickering, maybe a "cracked" water or gas line, >shake for a while (*good* sound fx required!), blackout, and >emergency exit light fade up as the shaking finally levels out... ... and then, a frantic 'staff member' rushes in from the next room and acts excited and concerned. Gesturing wildly (s)he says- "Quick- this way! It's been released. " woe woe woe... heh heh heh... Theme of "We just wanted to enhance our halloween display... we thought we could control it... they do in in the movies all the time... Who thought something so innocent looking would be so powerful. A perfect intro to a guided HH with the unseen 'Entity' stalking the group with the guide (and hey, a planted tourist or two) getting attacked/maimed/eaten whatever as the group tries to escape the house and that which is contained within. Chills. -W William Rompala http://www.rompalaconsulting.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 12:41:43 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:26:27 -0700 From: Greenrey To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill Douglas wrote: > I would vote for central Orange County if people from San Diego are > really > interested in coming up, Santa Maria would be a good 5 hour drive for > them. I'd be interested if Greg in Vista went along...and maybe even if he didn't. And I think central Orange sounds reasonable for a SoCal get-together. -Kevan -- "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." --Robert Heinlein greenrey@worldnet.att.net -or- awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us Visit Greenrey's Study at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 12:46:56 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:30:26 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? continued... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > >...during operation. On the other hand I do believe an automated haunt > >could be very entertaining and scare half the customers, its the other > >half I am after and I regurally nail the macho types with our style. > >When one of this type falls in a group, the whole group comes apart, I > >love it. > > I've gotta agree. We've done it both ways: in early years we did it very > actor intensive, then moved on into almost total animation. It's still the > live actor saying "Boo" that scares the crap out of the macho man. A couple > of years ago I was dressed in black, with a black cape and hood, and some > makeup. I was standing still against a wall. Some 40 something guy with his > kids came walking up to me, trying to see if I was a dummy (no wisecracks > out there...). He kept creeping closer, kind of hunched over, seeing if I'd > react. I didn't - until he reached out to touch me. A moved my hand towards > his, he jumped and yelled - so did his kids. Such a low tech thing works so > well... > > I really HATE that low-tech works well. I'm a tech-head. I'd rather totally > program the whole show than have a bunch of actors hanging around. But > experience shows what works best. Choose what effect you're after: if > you're going for the SCARE, use live actors; if you're going for the SHOW, > use a combination; if you're going for a job at Disneyland, use all > animation. :-) > > Bob Hi Bob, Finally someone like me, opps, scary thought, Hmm. We take it one step further. I have a corridor that is well illuminated with many things to reflect light into the customers eyes. This closes their iris down, they turn the corner into total darkness, it is even darker because their eyes have not adjusted. An actor in black has a puppet that appears, to the customers, to be floating. The puppet is one of those that glows in the dark, we have a light box for the puppet. This does not work on crank thru but its great for medium to slow days. I believe someone else mentioned this same tactic. My personal best scare is similar to Bobs, except they never see me, because of the trick I paly on their iris. They walk down the hall, I stand in the middle, they are talking, and just as they get to me I say something very softly, like BOO. The effect is devestating on the group. I have nothing against automation. It is the human timing and sense of humor that I do not believe it will ever replace. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 12:55:41 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:24:34 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely different entree!< Now the thought of Barney in a haunt...that would be a dream...chopped up and spinning on a spit over a fire!!! Yes that would be fun!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 12:56:55 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:33:25 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (ideas listed from jbcorn) > > Ah, research! How do you keep your ideas in a permanent form? I tape a > small tape recorder with me and describe everything in sight. Only one > haunted house caught me and threw me out, claiming proprietary. (there > was nothing worth seeing in there anyways). > > Got my microphone setup improved now, a small tie mike clipped to my > jacket so I can now talk into my shirt instead of my hand (grin) > > Harry "where's the blank tapes when you need them?" Traver > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] Hi, Well I let people come thru with vidoe cameras, 35 mm, note pads, none of it bothers me. Most visitors do not realize why a scene/room works, they do not pay attention to the lighting, intensity, direction, color, sound, frequency or volume. They take notes about what they see, and miss what is really happening. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 13:08:14 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:29:11 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB wrote: >> >> I feel left out. I have never had the nerve to trash Santa. >> jbcorn Not really "trash" em... More along the lines of a "What if Santa became stressed out" ..More below :) (snip) Gertrude wrote: > I'd be interested in knowing how >it went for John even if I personally wouldn't "do in" children's >traditional favorite characters. Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely >different entree! He had lines like: "I hate milk and cookies...I despise milk and cookies...I can't STAND milk and cookies anymore!..." He was played by a Doctor (real) some nights, and myself on other nights. The set was "disturbing" more than gross. He has his "slay" bells that would hauntingly jingle and could be heard before you got to his scene and you could hear the faint humming of X-mas tunes coming from a "disturbed" person....As small kids came in, nothing was done until the reaction could be judged..Most of the time all it took was a ho-ho-ho...and when the adults came in laughing and saying "Oh, I don't believe this!" Santa would then 'snap' and give 'em the works...people enjoyed it. But, our haunt is geared for teens and up...we really tone things down for the small tykes, no yelling, no leaping/sudden movements, more light, etc...When the "screaming" little ones came through, the character hid behind a blind until they were passed...Dragging a kicking and clawing tears-streaming little kid through a haunt is not my idea of fun. But those are usually the ones that sniffle up outside and say: "Can we go again!?" :) I would not suggest giving a scene like that to an in-experienced actor...things can go sour real quick. John--Sick and demented, but nice.....sometimes ;) ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 13:12:10 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:58:13 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Laviguer wrote: > > Wil, > I like the idea of a get-together, but for us people SOUTH > of Los Angeles, Santa Maria is a pretty long drive. For LA and Orange > County people, I will offer up my house or office for a meeting, both > in central Orange County. > If South Pasadena turns out to be "Central" to the Southern California region of the Halloweenaholics, I can probably arrange for the meeting to take place on the site of the Oneonta Haunted House (Oneonta Congregational Church). Large meeting rooms, ample free parking, nearby food, gas bar-b-que under the oak tree, etc. I can even put together some maps of points of interest like "The Halloween Club" (20 minutes south on the 5 freeway), "All Electronics" (25 minutes west on the 101 freeway), C&H Surplus ( 10 minutes away on surface streets), etc. Also, within several blocks of the church you can see the houses & streets were many movies have been filmed (Beethoven 1 & 2, the Back To The Future series, Teen Wolf, Frankenweenie, and others). In any case, I'm ready to drive a few hours to spend the day with some good, creative, Halloween folks. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 13:14:26 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:34:19 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB, we are planning on having it all set up and do a dry run the sunday before. That way we can spend the week cleaning up the little things that go wrong...now that is the plan...but we all know how plans go!! Kathy the new kid on the crpyt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 13:17:14 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:33:55 -0700 From: Iowa Chapman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com P.S dont know if i put that in there or not.. but the site is.. www.kustomscares.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 13:33:45 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:32:48 -0700 From: Iowa Chapman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok, fellow Halloween members.. :) I need your help, my site is at the site fights where it goes up against other web sites and the users actually vote for who they think is best. Being that you all are Halloween crazies like myself I thought I would ask you to drop over to my site www.kustomscares.com and click on the knight to vote for me. Well that is if you feel my site is the best. It would be greatly appreciated, anybody doing so who will vote for us all week that has a site I will put you in my scrolling advertisment banner. Let's stick together and help a Halloweener member out.. if you could.. Thanks in advance.. be sure to add to my new "add to the story" From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:13:55 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:54:27 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: An Easy Scare Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com We had a room last year we called simply "The Basement". In it, we piled and stacked all the left over props, and junk, and weird stuff we had left over and left a wide path through the center. Against the wall, by the exit, there was a row of filing cabinets. The room was lit by the guides flash light, spill from the adjacent rooms, and a few dim bulbs tucked under the piles. As the group entered the room, the guide would appologise for the mess and explain we just didn't have time to complete the room. In the row of filing cabinets, two near the door were actually fakes with a hinged top. They concealed a masked actor and an actor controlled light source. Several "peep holes" in the front of the "filing cabinets" allowed the actor to time his scare to the proximity of the guest. When the guest approached, the actor would quickly rise up, out of the top of the cabinets, while switching on the light, and growling loudly. Worked every time. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:15:59 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:56:54 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: A thought.... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Whilst reading the recent postings, I was just thinking about an idea for a haunt (feel free to use this if you will)... I was watching a video of the TV miniseries "The Stand" (by Stephen King), and was thinking about the (IMHO) *very* scary scenes in the Vermont Disease Control Center and in the Lincoln tunnel with the plague victims.... This could make for a *very* interesting haunt. In fact, there are many scenes in this miniseries that would make good source material to work from.... You've got a deadly plague, lotsa dead bodies lying around, lotsa nearly dead folks wandering around, an old lady who can see the future to warn you, a MAJOR evil character who seems to be everywhere, and a final conflict between good & evil. Much of what makes up a lot of the haunts i've been in. God bless you Stephen King. Such nice work. -bill. -- "You see, it's like I've always said: 'You can get more with a kind word and a two-by-four than you can with just a kind word'. - Marcus Cole ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:24:16 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:14:59 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Planning Planning Planning! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Is anyone else planning for their huge events? (Like anyone on this list > issent!!) Tell us your plans and ideas. I plan to have a Halloween party this year, but I have never had one before and don't know what to do, any ideas? I was thinking about strange colored food that looks like something out of a science lab, Would people eat it? > I'm planning on using a hazer for outdoor fogging, does anyone have any > results with that?? I have not had any experiance with hazers, but I have heard that they will not work very well outdoors because they are designed only to enhance lighting. you would probably have better luck with a standard fogger. If you don't already have one, you can rent one for about $40 - $50 per day. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:27:50 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:17:40 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Storage Shed. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > My storage shed is finally finished! Now I can store my cemetery fence > and reclaim my garage! (woo-hoo) You really don't need a storage shed, you can just leave the fence up all year (The neighbors wouldn't mess with you) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:29:34 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:19:47 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > > JB wrote: > >> > >> I feel left out. I have never had the nerve to trash Santa. > >> jbcorn > > Not really "trash" em... More along the lines of a "What if Santa became > stressed out" ..More below :) > > (snip) > Gertrude wrote: > > > I'd be interested in knowing how > >it went for John even if I personally wouldn't "do in" children's > >traditional favorite characters. Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely > >different entree! > snip > But those are usually the ones that sniffle up outside and say: "Can we go > again!?" :) > > I would not suggest giving a scene like that to an in-experienced > actor...things can go sour real quick. > > John--Sick and demented, but nice.....sometimes ;) HMM, well my experience is that the kicking screaming kids never make it all the way thru my haunt. We have twice the number of exits required and I have them so the chickens can leave anytime they want. And they all get used. Halloween and Christmas are my favorite holidays. While I have designed scenes using Santa in my haunt I have never used them. Who knows, maybe 1999. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:34:18 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:22:19 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Uh-oh! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com It seems I had > > put three cross-type tombstones side-by-side. I don't know it just > > looked cool when I was setting it up. They were way in the back of a 15 > > tombstone graveyard. > > > > I don't have to tell you the fuss they made over it. I had done it > > totally by accident and it really ticked them off. They said something > > about sin, and didn't like the fact that you could see it from the road. > > They asked me to take it down, and I told them I'd think about it.. Of > > course I didn't.. > > I wouldn't either Halloween's not a religious holiday, who cares where the tombstones are and what they look like? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 14:35:08 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:23:32 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do. . . Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Thomas W Oliver wrote: > > > > I'll shut up now & stick to just the straight lines... > > > > > > Boy, what a tough audience. > > > > You don't hsve to shut up, just Don't confuse me like that! > > Sorry I messed up you joke. > > You didn't mess up the joke, you just volunteed to be the new straight man. I volunteered? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 15:02:17 1997 From: The Youngs To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Michael Marcrum'" Subject: RE: politically incorrect Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:34:12 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Now the thought of Barney in a haunt...that would be a dream...chopped up and spinning on a spit over a fire!!! Yes that would be fun!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Last year I wanted to do a purple tombstone with the words I loved you, you Loved me and a little blood on it, but my husband convinced me I would be traumatizing too many young children. Gotta get a sense of humour here :) Jacqui From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 15:18:57 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:54:17 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (ideas listed from jbcorn) > > Ah, research! How do you keep your ideas in a permanent form? I tape a > small tape recorder with me and describe everything in sight. Only one > haunted house caught me and threw me out, claiming proprietary. (there > was nothing worth seeing in there anyways). > > Got my microphone setup improved now, a small tie mike clipped to my > jacket so I can now talk into my shirt instead of my hand (grin) > > Harry "where's the blank tapes when you need them?" Traver > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] And while we are on the subject of idea gathering, Here goes nothing, I am preparing to produce a video newsletter. It will be published quarterly(?) Subscribers would provide ideas: VHS tape of their haunt, house decorations, party; color or B&W photos with written description or provide audio cassette voice over. Topics are anything having to do with Halloween. Two subscription costs, #1- people that provide ideas, pay $5 for the tape and $3 postage ... #2 - people that just want to purchase, pay $25 for the tape $5 postage and handling. The finished tape will be limited to two hours, it will include a hostess intro to segments. Initial deadline is June 1st, tape delivery June 20th. The purpose is to improve visual communication between creative sources, provide a platform for people to show their creations and to promote the haunt business. Not everyone makes it to the convention. Also, haunt services businesses are welcomed to demo new products. I’m sure many would like to see Denny get all tangled up in his web. I would limit segments to a max of six mins, they could/will of course be shorter. Any materials you wish to be returned must be accompanied with return postage and pre addressed envelope. All materials will be returned as soon as they are transferred to tape for editing. Those worrying that they may have to see my ugly face don’t have too. I will of course have a short segment, However I have lined up a fox to do the intros and wrap arounds, ie male and female foxs’. If I’m out of line with this, tell me, I will crawl back under my rock and continue to write. If the idea suites you then mail goodies to JB Corn, 2407 Vista Glen, Carrollton, Texas 75007 jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 15:20:19 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:44:08 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and Creatathon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey all you Southern Halloween Addicts... Guess which northern halloween addict is going to possible be in Disneyland this weekend???? Wonder if any of the Southern Halloween addicts would like to meet for a soda, or snack...and a chat!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 15:44:03 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:21:34 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Advertising and T-Shirts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Last season, we spent some money on T-Shirts for our teenage monster staff. We bought them all black, 100% cotton T-Shirts with "Know Fear! ... The Oneonta Haunted House" printed on them in an appropriate typstyle and layout. Our mobile human billboards wore those shirts all over town the week pryor to our haunt. Good PR with our actors and visability in the community. I've got a great T-Shirt supplier as well. (He did the design for us) Ira McRoberts, Owner McDuck Productions Imprinted Sportsware P.O. Box 3715 Ventura, CA 93006 (805)644-3255 He does most of his business with camps and schools, so he keeps pretty on top of what the young T-Shirt owner will wear. Latest colors, graphics, typestyles, etc. He can design for you or work from your artwork. His shop is in an industrial complex that does not allow walk-up business, but he's got two big bays, with an 8-color automated press, darkroom, copy camera, belt dryer, etc. He also does ballcaps, jackets, embroidery, sweatshirts, you name it. Great work at reasonable prices. Ira's also a haunter, having masterminded a couple of haunts in Palm Springs back in the early 70's. He has dabbled in it on and off since. He built me a pair of wooden coffins a few years back and has given me many good suggestions over the years. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 15:45:58 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:28:29 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: a message Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Did anyone get my long message about voting on my web site???? I have not seen it come up in my mail box and im wondering if it may have gotten lost. If you ahve seen it let me know.. thanks... From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 15:54:59 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:20:40 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: The Youngs Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jacqui, Using Barney at Halloween would be a parents dream come true...they could tell the kids that Barney is gone to the great purple home in the sky...and that it is a imposter on TV!!! that would make so many parents happy!!! Then we need to get rid of a couple of other cult kids favorites and it would be a happy world!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 16:25:15 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:09:44 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Youngs wrote: > > Now the thought of Barney in a haunt...that would be a dream...chopped > up and spinning on a spit over a fire!!! Yes that would be fun!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > > Last year I wanted to do a purple tombstone with the words I loved you, you > Loved me and a little blood on it, but my husband convinced me I would be > traumatizing too many young children. Gotta get a sense of humour here :) > > Jacqui Well, we did have a Barney Tombstone, not much reaction, Our Mouse cartoon arm reaching from the grave had more effect. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 16:29:20 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:14:09 -0500 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > >Now Barney the Dinosaur is an entirely > different entree!< > > Now the thought of Barney in a haunt...that would be a dream...chopped > up and spinning on a spit over a fire!!! Yes that would be fun!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Many years ago (like, a LOT!) the Chaffey College HH in So. Calif. had a room near the very front of the Haunt with a plastic baby doll *roasting* on a spit over a fire in the living room. Didn't go over well with some people. They were pressured to remove it. Something about poor taste... Karen P -- Please remove XXX from email address when replying. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 17:00:37 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:49:47 -0500 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a message Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Iowa Chapman wrote: > > Did anyone get my long message about voting on my web site???? I > have not seen it come up in my mail box and im wondering if it may have > gotten lost. > > If you ahve seen it let me know.. thanks... Did it appear in the last day or so and have a subject line saying something along the lines of *please help me* ?? If so, I think the only thing in the body of that message was your website address. (Or, I'm totally mixing you up with some other message!) Karen P -- Please remove XXX from email address when replying. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 17:16:38 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:16:04 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: >Hey all you Southern Halloween Addicts... > Guess which northern halloween addict is going to possible be in >Disneyland this weekend???? Wonder if any of the Southern Halloween >addicts would like to meet for a soda, or snack...and a chat!! Kathy, Would love to meet another one of me :-). We live about 10 minutes from the Happiest Place On Earth. Send me private e-mail if you want to arrange a meeting to share pix, etc. Bob Laviguer blav@pacbell.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 17:22:59 1997 From: David251@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:16:54 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I feel left out..... Are there any East Coast Halloween types out there? David in Delaware From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 17:52:27 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:49:06 -0700 Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? continued... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, I am a tech head as well and prefer using all actors with only a sweetening of automation. I have seen some examples of how to integrate both sucessfully, for example, a robot alien surgeon operating on a sweet young gal screaming her lungs out. The robot is actually a surplus Chuck E. Cheese robot type a guy locally would rent out for the haunts. The finest haunt I consider is the Knotts haunt which uses much staff. Last year, they used nearly 1,500 ghouls in the haunt! The number of mechanical robotix or automation was no more than 20 overall. A damned good HH would have at least 15 actors in there who know their stuph, have a sense of humor, and having FUn doing their thing. If the actors are bored doing their job, it shows.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 18:04:26 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:59:40 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-28 11:06:17 EDT, you write: << during operation. On the other hand I do believe an automated haunt could be very entertaining and scare half the customers, its the other half I am after and I regurally nail the macho types with our style. When one of this type falls in a group, the whole group comes apart, I love it. I am not against animatronics, I do not see it replacing actors in my lifetime, And I will challenge any automated haunt to have the same effect on customers as mine. And for the right amount of money wagered I would s >> ---------------------------------------- Jerrys response: You won! The way you described it above, I would agree! The technology dose exist, but at too great a dollar amount for any but Disney to pull off. I guess our opinions were not really so far apart... But would you not agree that a "computer" is better than a "missing" or non cooperative "volunteer"? or when funds for a payed performer are not available. I seek out ANY opportunity to replace a human if it will not detract from the quality of my HH. Especial when the replacement will cost less than paying a human. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 18:04:29 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:59:57 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Jacqui, > Using Barney at Halloween would be a parents dream come true...they > could tell the kids that Barney is gone to the great purple home in the > sky...and that it is a imposter on TV!!! that would make so many parents > happy!!! Then we need to get rid of a couple of other cult kids > favorites and it would be a happy world!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Who's doing an Alien Room? You could have Barney, Tickle-Me-Elmo and all the "GOALS 2000" conspirators "abducted" and dissect them with their tapes running on video monitors. Make sure the actors wear ear plugs or they'll get brainwashed too and JOIN The Backyard Gang instead of making the Earth safe for Halloweeners. Might as well have E.T. and any other likely candidates in need of genetic re-engineering in there too (Bill Clinton, Power Rangers.....HOLD ON! I HAVE A CALL ON MY RADIO FROM THE S.O....."I love you, You love meeee......." From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 18:21:43 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:18:00 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Oh, no! There goes Buffalo... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Stomp Tokyo wrote: > Illuminating the dark heart of video every week. > > ---------------------------------------- > > Changes in this past week (4/22 - 4/28): > > > - Shocker of shockers - > > - RUN FOR THE HILLS DEPT. Barney, that purple "dinosaur" everyone above the > age of 6 loves to hate, is headed for the silver screen, to the tune of $15 > million and a new theme song. Look for (or avoid) BARNEY'S GREAT ADVENTURE > in the Spring of '98. > Enjoy! > ---------------------------------------- > > Movie suggestions, cookie recipes, and infusions of cash are all welcome at: > > stomptokyo@aol.com > ---------------------------------------- > > -- > Stomp Tokyo Movie Reviews > http://members.aol.com/stomptokyo/ > > Specializing in old b-movies, monster movies, Hong Kong action cinema, and > anime. > stomptokyo@aol.com See? I tried to warn you but you wouldn't listen! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 18:31:18 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:29:51 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ron byrd Subject: Hallowee'n Video. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If anyone wants to see my Hallowe'en video from 1995, please let me know. I'll be compiling a list and start sending it out by June 1st. I must have your complete address. Don't worry, this is not a scam. You are only responsible for postage to the next person. Ron Byrd eireshade Anyone care to guess what "eireshade" means???? Ron Byrd From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Mon Apr 28 18:40:02 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:38:27 -0400 To: jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From: ron byrd Subject: HHoJ Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Haunted House of Joppa started in 1965 as a Halloween treat for a church youth group. It seems that the Holter sisters wanted to scare the youth of their church by having a haunted basement as part of the church's Fall Festival . They turned to their brother, John, who they asked to Haunt the basement of their house. John agreed to do so and did such a good job (he was an amature magician) that the following evening many of the youth returned to the house with their friends and parents. They wanted to be