Gary Engle gengle@erols.com located in Burke VA Greg Ferris gferris330@aol.com located in Rochester NY Jim & Charmaine Baggett jbaggett@bealenet.com located in Ladysmith VA Jim Kadel Jimk@rica.net located in Bridgewater VA Jules Egyud julese@recom.com located in Voorhees NJ Bill Lewis lewisb@erols.com located in Laytonsville MD Larry Lund llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us located in Brentwood NY Brian Rinkevich rinkevr@epix.net located in Wilkes-Barre PA Clyde Roby roby@ida.org located in Centreville VA Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu located in Somerville MA Stuart McIntire stuart_mcintire_at_aisdc@ccsmtp.uage.com located in Germantown MD Jason Roland thelazer@vivanet.com located in Orchard Park NY From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 10:37:33 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:22:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Haunts...long To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (discussion about taping haunts snip) I always enjoy the music soundtracks being used, so I walys try and get some of it to tape, if possible. If their is a playlet, I let it run and shut my trap to tape it. (Lair of the Vampyre at Knotts was a good example). I sometimes end up calling after if I don't recognize the soundtrack being used. Never paid too much attention to lighting execpt that it highlights the various rooms or keep the path from being totally dark in places. This also was letting me put up music titles in the list for a while, such as a Peter Gabriel song used in the movie "the last temptation of christ" which was the main soundtrack to the Nightmares haunted house, sort of a heavy percussion Mid-Eastern type song. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 10:37:45 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:26:22 -0700 Subject: need some help To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (ad for kustomscares snipped) Saw your site. Very hard to work with. I don't use mac or ibm, so am using SIS as a web broswer which does not support frames or sound. Would prefer if you were much simpler with the website. Ask yourself if you are giving Halloween information or merely trying to show off the latest Web technology. Everyone else is doing that. I have to be around technology, since I design arcade games as a trade, but I don't like modern technology. I prefer websites with very few graphics and more information. Having to reload every time I click back a page on yours lowers my feeling about your page. Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 10:37:45 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:14:20 -0700 Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? continued... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Rollercoaster/pacing speech from jb) Yow! That covers more depth on the subject than I've ever seen, so if it's in book 4, count me in once again! also, I am OBSESSED by rollercoasters (one new one in Indiana you will love is called THE RAVEN, will send a video sometime). Anyhoo, the pacing is important to work with, most haunts out here never seem to achieve that sublety. Even Knotts doesn't always go into that sublety into their haunts. There are mnany great ideas in there, but they are in a somewhat random order, depending on where they put their particular haunt. Probably the finest pacing is their Nightmares haunted house which they put inside their bumper car ride, and it uses the 60 degree wall plan. Their climax is a large forest maze which looks to suspiciously similar in design to your Skull Cavern design. Harry Traver (actually the name of a dead rollercoaster designer, but we'll get into that later :) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 10:38:11 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:28:24 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Oops! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Whoops! Sorry, folks. That last one was supposed to be private reply. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 10:41:33 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:28:24 -0700 Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Hall To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com If anyone needs to make a longer trip to get to the SoCal portion, I can take one or two in my living room to sleep over. Couch folds out. it's not a great couch, but a place to crash. Harry "the Trabant of the list" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 10:46:49 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:41:34 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > You neighbors are really fortunate. > Hey Wil, > YOu might want to tell our neighbors that!! > We are looking for a top for our Tent outside this year, and I don't > want to try and make it..We were given a quote for a 20x25 tent top all > fire retardent, for $453 dollars..!! Does that sound good. Anyone have > any ideas of any cheaper! > kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Kathy, If you just need a tent for a little while, contact a local funeral home and they might rent you one. We do this for bar-be-ques, street festivals (it rains a lot here), etc. Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 11:15:50 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:09:44 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween club Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > it might be a convenient place to pick up a small fogger, you could > probably find one cheaper at a pro-sound/lighting store. And if you go > shopping in November, you can buy a rental unit for pretty low cost > (relatively). > > My thoughts only.... > Bob That's what I figured. I told them when I was there a few months ago that I lived in another area and was on vacation. She said "too bad you weren't here a week ago, we had our 50% off sale going." To which I responded "Since you close in two minutes, I can either go home now and wait till your next 1/2 off sale to buy that $300.00 fogger, or you can have a 50% off sale right now for it." They said what the heck, so I got the Fog Hog model for $150.00! I guess living out of town has its perks? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 11:25:38 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:19:58 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > The Proctors wrote: > > > > Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > > > > > don - Owner of *ALL* the Barney tapes and wearer of the dreaded Birthday > > > > Barney suit.... ; > > > > > > Can do you one better... > > > I love you, > > > you love me, > > > lets tie barney, > > > to a tree... > > > > > > with a great big knife, > > > and blood on the floor, > > > no more purple dinosuar!!! > > > Photographed the purple monster for a publicity thing....Yuck!! > > > Kathy > > > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > > > > Since we live a 5-minute drive from Barney's *birthplace* and > > headquarters, we've been Barney-ized a lot longer than you guys who > > tuned in when he got discovered and went *national*!!! And one of the > > kid actors on the show goes to my son's middle school... > > > > Karen From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 11:44:50 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:38:16 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? continued... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (Rollercoaster/pacing speech from jb) > > Yow! That covers more depth on the subject than I've ever seen, so if > it's in book 4, count me in once again! also, I am OBSESSED by > rollercoasters (one new one in Indiana you will love is called THE > RAVEN, will send a video sometime). Anyhoo, the pacing is important to > work with, most haunts out here never seem to achieve that sublety. Even > Knotts doesn't always go into that sublety into their haunts. There are > mnany great ideas in there, but they are in a somewhat random order, > depending on where they put their particular haunt. Probably the finest > pacing is their Nightmares haunted house which they put inside their > bumper car ride, and it uses the 60 degree wall plan. Their climax is a > large forest maze which looks to suspiciously similar in design to your > Skull Cavern design. > > Harry Traver (actually the name of a dead rollercoaster designer, but > we'll get into that later :) > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] He he he, I thought that article would lightyour fire, Actually that is from book five, book four will contain electronic circuit designs I have gathered over the years, it is a bitch, it will include, if possible, camera ready art work for pc boards. I must be suicidal. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 11:44:59 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:30:33 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > I would like the web site. I have used software to translate LARP clues > > into Greek, never used 'em in my haunt. > > jbcorn > HI there, > Here is the URL! > http://www.quizmaster.com/hiero.htm > > have fun! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Thank you, Thank you very much jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 11:45:45 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:23:39 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The art of the SCARE. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > Another key > > > element is proper use and exploitation of the human senses. > > JBcorn and ghouls, > This is something we have been talking about a lot around here. We are > planning on using a lot, and I do mean a LOT of spiders and snakes in > our rooms this year. They are not going to do anything special...but > what two animals..ok other than barney...bother people as much as > spiders and snakes. Watching people is the secret. We had a dungeon last > year with a skeleton with a heart beating in it, it got very few > comments...but the snake that was hanging from the bars of the cage was > walked around with a very wide berth by most patrons...!! So using the > mind as the sixth sense is a good cheap prop!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com More fodder for your brain, THE FIVE SENSES The design of the typical haunt includes two senses, sight and sound. Seldom do I see an attempt to reach more senses. Taste is the one sense that I am unable to use in a commercial haunt. My LARP games use taste and my early home haunt during junior high used taste. I would bring the little costumed monsters into my living room and among sorted other goodies, in the dark, I would give them a peeled grape to eat, as they chewed I would say "…and that is Uncle Fred’s good eye." The response more often than not required me to turn the lights on and show the shocked child a peeled grape. I could easily write many pages on each of the remaining four senses. SIGHT The human eye has a contrast ratio of one million to one. Motion picture film has a contrast ratio of two hundred to one and television is twenty to one. Contrast ratio is the relationship of the brightest spot to the darkest spot. The human iris can adjust from the darkness of a closet to the brightness of the sun in a relative short period of time. It is during this transition time that you have complete control over your customer. The lack of proper sight increases the sensitivity of the other senses, especially sound. When a customer is semi blind and he detects a soft voice in very close proximity, prepare for a severe reaction. The mechanics are simple. Most haunts are so dark all the way through that they can never take advantage of this most basic principle. The usual way to compensate is with strobe lighting or the flashlight in the face. Instead paint your scenes with color. Red, blue, green and amber are my favorites. My lighting system is 12vac with bulbs of four, seven and eleven watts. I control the intensity of light with the wattage of the bulb. I use floral wrap for gel. I adjust color saturation by adding more layers of gel. Traditionally I use red and green together; amber and blue as stand alone. Red and green are used to crisscross a subject. Blue is used on some dummies and amber is used to brightly illuminate some scenes. I try not to use white light, except in some instances with strobes. I do use more colors than listed. The key to color is the spectrum and color saturation. Darker colors force the iris to open. Lighter colors force the iris to close. When using light to set up a scare, it is important to have objects to reflect the light. A black room will not reflect any light. A room with some white, chrome or other highly reflective item(s) will reflect light into the customers' eyes and help to close the iris. A slow pulsing strobe is more effective at blinding than a fast pulsing strobe. Whenever possible, aim the strobe into the customers’ face. Aim strobes 180 degrees apart if more than one strobe is used. Do not use dark colors on strobes, you defeat their purpose. TOUCH This area is constantly overlooked. Your customers want to touch things. Most of the time they are touching things that you do not want them to touch. Fill their craving for physical contact, give them things to touch. My tombstones are made with hydracal and burlap. I place two or more near the customer pathway for customers to touch. Hydracal is cold, smooth and hard. It has the feel of death. The lava pit uses burlap soaked in a mix of paint and Elmers glue. The burlap is then applied to the wall, while the wall is still flat on the ground. Once dried the wall is set in place. This has a rough texture, coarse and unfriendly. In the dark these walls evoke feelings of being in a strange unfriendly place. We do not touch any of our customers. That does not mean that they are not touched. At every opportunity Something will touch my customers. The Tube room is 4" diameter flexible black drain pipe hanging from the walls and ceiling. Customers must touch, bump and bounce through the mess. The fun house effect is better for all behind the lead person as all the tubes he bumps become alive and bounce into those that follow. Roots use sisal rope dipped in black latex. Customers must duck down to enter roots. The roots are dangling in the path. The latex rubber has a clinging quality that grabs at the customers. The roots feel gross. My spider web uses latex covered fabric with a wire center. I shape these with bends, twists and turns. Customers crawling through the web have these things bumping their face. When they move them aside with their hands they are disgusted and cannot wait to get out. The web is full of other items as well; dangling string, soft body parts and wet fabric. Verdun Manor has a tunnel of flesh. Customers must maneuver through the sixteen foot tunnel. All manners of gross fleshy items are visible, Lance calls it the "Meat Locker." A living wall of flesh was part of a short lived Dallas Haunt. Actual arms, legs and heads were thrust into the wall from the back and used to animate the constructs of the wall. To keep customers from touching or grabbing the flesh items, the wall was covered with glycerin and green slime. Customers exited with glycerin and green slime on their clothes anyway. I have coated items with glycerin, too. But, prefer to encourage customers to feel the natural item. Lighting, or lack of, plays an important part in touch. That is, what you feel and cannot see lets the imagination fill in the blanks. The guard room offers a unique opportunity. Once in a while the actor will have a macho type challenge him in one way or the other. This actor may not talk. He can offer this customer a bite of the arm he is carving. Occasionally the macho customer will touch the arm, to take it, the arm is sprayed with glycerin. The macho customers’ reaction is immediate, but amplified by his friends. The guard room creature laughs, then pretends to eat the arm. The customer group is totally grossed out and exits quickly. This is the least used variation of this scene, but it does use touch. Jbcorn part one of two From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 11:58:04 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:55:27 -0400 From: cstowell@cstone.net (Carl Stowell) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CTMartin wrote: > > David251@aol.com wrote: > > > > I feel left out..... Are there any East Coast Halloween types out there? > > David in Delaware I'm in Charlottesville Virginia.. ________________________________________________________________________ Carl F. Stowell /\ "Develop for it? I'll piss on it!" Network Administrator || -W. Gates stand on Microsoft's software Robinson, Farmer, Cox Assoc.|| development strategy for Next computers. mailto:cstowell@cstone.net \/ http://www.cstone.net/~cstowell ->My rantings do not reflect my company's, however they are similar<- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 12:10:11 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:09:52 -0700 From: Iowa Chapman To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (ad for kustomscares snipped) > > Saw your site. Very hard to work with. I don't use mac or ibm, so am > using SIS as a web broswer which does not support frames or sound. Would Our site does not use frames for one. Are you sure you know what frames are?? We do use sounds but if you do can not hear them you would not know they are there, you would not hear them. > prefer if you were much simpler with the website. Ask yourself if you > are giving Halloween information or merely trying to show off the latest I want to give the folks who check out my site a feeling of being scared on the website, the same feeling I would like to give them at my haunt. Plus I want them to think the site looks great, and so far they have. :) > Web technology. Everyone else is doing that. I have to be around > technology, since I design arcade games as a trade, but I don't like > modern technology. I prefer websites with very few graphics and more > information. Having to reload every time I click back a page on yours > lowers my feeling about your page. Thank you for your coments, but I will stick with what I have, plus I will be adding in more things like "Freddy's Halloween safety tips" and pictures from previous years. > Harry -- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 12:18:48 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:11:56 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and Creatathon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg Hope wrote: > > Hi folks. Count me in as interested in a SoCal meeting. Greenrey and I are > the northernmost of the Sandy Egos (about 30 minutes to the Orange county > border). > Greg So. Cal.'aholics; We are going to need to really get this defined to local you're interested in traveling to for these meetings. May ask of all of you to clearly express your travel abilities and locality interests? It is shaping up at this time to look like perhaps two locations would be just fine. We have at least ten people that have responded to this suggested workshop and bull shoot and I suspect a number of others just haven't gotten the chance to respond yet that will want to be included. I am in the process of organizing the names and e mail adresses along with the city they live in or area they are from now for all that have expressed interest. Once we have this info we will separate the names into two groups that represent those willing to come north to my wood-working plant and those willing to travel to the Orange location. So far the proposed locations for the get together are; meeting: Bob Laviguer Central Orange County meeting: David Schwend South Pasadena meeting / workshop: Wil Schock Santa Maria (Centered between S.F. & L.A.) When posting, please let me know where and what you are interested in. If you are interested in making a certain event, please mention which one. If we decide to hold a workshop in my plant I am hoping to do the very same at our first meeting as the No.Cal. group is doing with the creation of the Flying Crank Ghost if there is interest. Since I have just completed the full version of one, I will be able to offer advice on all levels of the project. I have also finished a full version Trash Can Trauma, so the same would apply to this. And there's nothing stopping us from working on more than one event at the same time if this is asked for. This doesn't mean we can't also have those interested in photo-sharing at the same time. So consider what it is you want. We will need to organize a phone list of all in the group so we will be able to contact each other for directions, etc. once we identify who we are. Once this happens, we will be able to take the specifics of our meetings off the listserve and go direct e mail. Wil -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 12:30:44 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:20:48 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: In your area Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just occurred to me. I'll be in Long Beach this afternoon and passing back down through Orange county on my way back to San Diego. If there are any list members who can stand a quick visit and handshake, leave a message on my voicemail with an address and brief directions. I'll check my voicemail when I'm up there and try to swing by. Please leave a telephone number, too. (And I was complaining about short notice! Kick me, Kathy!) Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 13:46:24 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:30:07 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The art of the SCARE. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I've got a small herd of breeding tortoises. A more curious and gentle > animal would be hard to find. David, this sounds like a fun hobby...or is it business. The fear of the strange is what we are hoping on to distract from the real scare till the last second! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 13:46:52 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:24:20 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > And Kathy, doggone it, why couldn't you give me a little more advance > notice? I'll be in Long Beach this afternoon, but busy in San Diego this > weekend! With a little earlier warning, I would've loved to slip up to DL > to meet you folks. > > Greg Sorry Greg, to tell you the truth we did not know till last night. Mike was supposed to fly down on Monday morning and fly back Monday afternoon!! Well the cost of the ticket, parking, all that came to more than paying him per mile to drive down and spend a night. So I just added two more nights and tickets to Disneyland. What can I say!! And the first stop in DL...?? wonder how many times one person can ride the haunted mansion ride in one day??? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 13:59:29 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:51:29 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Planning Planning Planning! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > This sounds like a job for ...MEATHEAD!!... > > Start with a lifesize plastic skull. Wash it, and make sure it's clean enough > to eat off of. Because that's what you're going to do! Mix up a batch of red > Jell-O, using only half the water the recipe suggests. Congeal it in a flat > pan, so you can get strips about a quarter-inch thick. Layer the strips > onto your skull. This acts as a nice surprise for when your guests eat > down that far. > > Then get your pound-and-a-half of ham, corned beef, or what have you. > (Head cheese? :^) Layer the strips onto the jell-o-covered skull and build > up a corpse head. > > Add eyes. I've used both boiled eggs and peeled boiled onions. Hold together > with toothpicks, cover with plastic wrap, and keep in the fridge. > Bring it out as the centerpiece of a sandwitch buffet! Guests can amuse > themselves no end by peeling off the flesh and plopping in onto a bun! Yum! Thanks for the grat idea!, this would look really good and people would probably eat it until it gets down to the red jell-o (I would eat it all the way to the bottom, but you know how some people are) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 14:20:22 1997 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:50:29 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Halloween club Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wow! Nothing like a 50% mark up so they can give you a 50% off sale! I got my Fog Hog about 2 years ago for $120.00 at 'All Stage Equipment' in Orange, Ca. Steve ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Halloween club Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 4/29/97 11:42 AM > it might be a convenient place to pick up a small fogger, you could > probably find one cheaper at a pro-sound/lighting store. And if you go > shopping in November, you can buy a rental unit for pretty low cost > (relatively). > > My thoughts only.... > Bob That's what I figured. I told them when I was there a few months ago that I lived in another area and was on vacation. She said "too bad you weren't here a week ago, we had our 50% off sale going." To which I responded "Since you close in two minutes, I can either go home now and wait till your next 1/2 off sale to buy that $300.00 fogger, or you can have a 50% off sale right now for it." They said what the heck, so I got the Fog Hog model for $150.00! I guess living out of town has its perks? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 14:34:39 1997 From: "Bell, Erik H." To: Halloween-L Subject: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:04:00 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hellloooo Spooksters, Delurking for a brilliant idea. I propose that we in the SoCal area form the first official Halloween-L chapter. Purposes for the chapter might include: regular get-togethers to relish in our mutual (ahem) problem, midnight movie group excursions to such fine films as SCREAM, group visits (and possible group discounts) to the Halloween Club, group practice and support for trying out for a part in the annual Knott's Halloween Haunt, haunted house workshops, off-season Halloween parties, coordination for a group(s) mega-Haunted House, etc. I know we all lead busy lives (dead or otherwise) but I'm sure we can spare a little time for this passion. Let me know what you think. Returning to my grave, Erik Bell RastaCroc@aol.com RastaCroc@msn.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 14:35:34 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:29:04 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and C Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-29 12:35:10 EDT, you write: << I can wait for the sync. I am embroiled in the FCG right now anyway. I was up last night till 1:00 and I get up at 6:14 every morning! But the effect I got under the black lights by using the black paint for blood was very exciting. This is so killer. I am going to video tape this and the TCT for the JB Corn video swap. If you get on the list, you'll see it. What happened to the back old man? Did you fall out of a haunted tower? Wil -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X >> ------------------------------------------------- Well It may be coming sooner, I stayed home to rest and got bored. So after I finish my email, I will finish the document and send off your toy... I over exerted myself at one of my martial art practices. I use a lot of spinning and behind the back trick shots. I am not a genetically gifted athlete so I must use my talents as an illusionist to deceive my opponents. This requires much contorted movement... I have always been overweight, but I use to be MUCH more flexible. I am beginning to wonder how much longer I will be able to play... I have a obligation to finish the training of my present students, but the game is a rough one and is getting to be a young mans sport.Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 14:38:52 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:19:54 -0500 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > The Proctors wrote: > > > > Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > > > > > I hate you... > > > > You hate me... > > > > Let's tie Barney to a tree... > > > > Take a gun and shoot in the head... > > > > > > > > ***BANG*** > > > > > > > > Aren't we glad that's Barney's dead... > > > > > > > > don - Owner of *ALL* the Barney tapes and wearer of the dreaded Birthday > > > > Barney suit.... ; > > > > > > Can do you one better... > > > I love you, > > > you love me, > > > lets tie barney, > > > to a tree... > > > > > > with a great big knife, > > > and blood on the floor, > > > no more purple dinosuar!!! > > > Photographed the purple monster for a publicity thing....Yuck!! > > > Kathy > > > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > > > > My 13-y.o. son has a poster on his bedroom door. On the top is a picture > > of Barney with a bunch of explosives strapped to his back and under that > > picture it says, "Barney." Below that, on the bottom half of the poster > > is a picture of purple debris laying everywhere and under that it says, > > "Barney Rubble." He loves it and gets a lot of comments on it. I > > thought the cable guy was going to steal it! I warned him he'd probably > > have to take it down for awhile when his 3 y.o. sister finally "gets > > it." > > > > Since we live a 5-minute drive from Barney's *birthplace* and > > headquarters, we've been Barney-ized a lot longer than you guys who > > tuned in when he got discovered and went *national*!!! And one of the > > kid actors on the show goes to my son's middle school... > > > > Karen > Hi Karen, > The original Barney cast had three members from my acting school. > Barney is played by an actor that I trained and now works as a teacher > at the acting school, I have been living with the Purple one much > longer. AHHHHH jbcorn JB, Yeah, I noticed you live just 2-3 towns west of me. I'm sure you WON'T reveal whether the *real* Barney (actor) moonlights in Haunted Houses in October! Karen -- Please remove XXX from email address when replying. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 14:44:54 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:38:00 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-29 12:45:23 EDT, you write: << house, and imagine the sheer extra terror that all the ghots and ghoulies in the house are calling the frightened one BY NAME!. Try and get THAT particular thrill out of auotmation! Harry >> Jerrys response: Actually I saw this done for Expo 75 in Japan. Animated cartoon characters (on computer monitors) that were run by a computer would talk to you and were designed to respond to you with personnel information (name, age, ect. ) using programs designed around the formulas and tricks mental telepathists and fake fortune tellers use in their magic acts. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 14:48:37 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:43:35 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: SoCal meeting To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: *>wonder how many times one person can ride the haunted mansion ride in *>one day??? We once rode 'It's a Small World' for over 8 hours straight. That was way over 200 rides, in all. I kinda lost track after the first 50 or so.... "Its such a pretty song...." Talk about your torture....I would'a given away the plans to anything they asked for after that... Hey, it was a marathon for charity.... -bill -- "You see, it's like I've always said: 'You can get more with a kind word and a two-by-four than you can with just a kind word'. - Marcus Cole ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 15:02:42 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:42:45 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween club Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-29 12:51:00 EDT, you write: << For sure I've been to that store. It's called the "Halloween Club", and has been open for 3 (i think) years now. They have surely gotten a large chunk of my gross income in September and October. The volume of merchandise they have is IMMENSE, to say the least. Quite a variety of props and decorations. I've picked up several molded foam pieces. Two points though: as to the prices, 25% off sounds good, but my guess is that the prices are 25% higher to start with. Their prices are VERY high, especially when you get into the larger props. The second point: they don't do mechanicals/electricals very well. Although it might be a convenient place to pick up a small fogger, you could probably find one cheaper at a pro-sound/lighting store. And if you go shopping in November, you can buy a rental unit for pretty low cost (relatively). >> jerrys response: I worked for jack and bablo (the two ownwers of this store) creating sound effects for the electrict chair from Distortions. (for some reason it did not come with sound...) Anyway yes the prices are not great, but were eles are you going to find a local outlet that is ALL HALLOWEEN ALL THE TIME? I dont mind spending a little now and then to help support the outlet. Thay had to close one of thier store becuase of dropping sales. jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 15:13:01 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Iowa Chapman Subject: Haunts list Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ok folks, anybody who does a haunt, or knows of one, could you please go to my site and add it to the HAUNTS list. I need to start getting that database filled for people looking for a huant near them. http://www.kustomscares.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 15:33:36 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:23:01 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:12:28 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Aaaaccckkkk!!!!! They'd better not have messed up our all-time favorite ride! (Yes, even more than the Haunted Mansion...) When was it closed down? Dave On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Brian Rich wrote: > Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has > reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:13:35 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: table saw gag... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I don’t use this kind of thing in my HH, dose not fit my theme.... But I thought it up on the way home from a tool show and thought one of you may like it. Once home, I cut some silver cloth into a disk. put it on my table saw and let it fly! I swear it looks like a real round saw as it is spinning! Now here is the gag... I dropped my hand on it and it looked like it was cutting into my hand! I was wondering if their is a NON conductive liquid that could be SPRAYED out of the table? It would make a great splatter blood effect! ANY chemists out there that could suggest a safe liquid (no matter what color) that would not pose an electrical hazzard? Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:42:55 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:35:18 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jerrys wrote: >I worked for jack and bablo (the two ownwers of this store) >creating sound effects for the electrict chair from Distortions. >Anyway yes the prices are not great, >but were eles are you going to find a local outlet that is >ALL HALLOWEEN ALL THE TIME? >I dont mind spending a little now and then >to help support the outlet. Don't get me wrong, it is a neat place to go, even to just look around. And like I've said, I've spent many a dollar in that store. If you need specialized Halloween props, this is the place to go. My point still stands, though: You can often times find the lighting/fog/effects items cheaper from other places. I wouldn't go to Sears to buy a flourescent light fixture. :-) PS. You can get a lot better technical support choosing a pro-sound type of store for the effects type items (but maybe I'm prejudiced 'cuz I'm a musician,too) :-)) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:44:40 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:38:30 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and C Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I have always been overweight, > but I use to be MUCH more flexible. > > I am beginning to wonder how much > longer I will be able to play... > > I have a obligation to finish the > training of my present students, > > but the game is a rough one > and is getting to be a young mans sport.Yours ghouly Jerry - I hear that. I had to quit Tae Kwon Do two years ago when I turned 37 and recieved my cho dan black belt. My knees just couldn't take it anymore. I guess old age is a part of life too. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:46:45 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:29:07 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Off the Subject/My other hobby. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c. schwend wrote: > > I've got a small herd of breeding tortoises. A more curious and > > gentle animal would be hard to find. kathy responded: > > David, > this sounds like a fun hobby...or is it business. Strickly a hobby. Got my first tortoise in 1965, and he's still a happy and healthy member of the herd. Got him a friend in 1969, and she's still around as well. She lays from 4 to 8 eggs each season. I've got several others that were "Adopted" from the San Diego Turtle and Tortoise Club. Finally there are a number of hatchlings and adolecents that I've hatched in an incubator. The California Desert Tortoise is protected by law as an endangered species. It is illegal to collect them in the wild, and it is illegal to buy and sell them. You must have a permit from the Department of Fish and Game to possess one, and you are not allowed to release captive tortoises into the wild. If you want one as a pet, the only source is to adopt one from one of the Turtle and Tortoises Clubs. California Turtle and Tortoise Club ... http://inetjungle.com:80/CTTC/CTTC.html Sacramento Turtle and Totoise Club ... http://www.syspac.com/~varney/sttc.html Tortoise Rescue ... http://www.tortoise.com/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:47:02 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: Pirates of the Caribeean Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:48:17 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian Wesley Rich wrote: >Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has >reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! Yep it has... My stepdaughter (12) said "It's ok". I'm gonna miss the women being chased around the house... It always reminded me of home :) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:51:27 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:41:55 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Bell wrote: > > Aaaaccckkkk!!!!! > > They'd better not have messed up our all-time favorite ride! > (Yes, even more than the Haunted Mansion...) When was it closed > down? > > Dave > > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Brian Rich wrote: > > > Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has > > reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! We were there in Feb. and it was being remodeled. Don't you remember the news stories about pirates chasing women not being "politically correct"? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:54:53 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:47:47 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > Saw your site. Very hard to work with. I don't use mac or ibm, so am > > using SIS as a web broswer which does not support frames or sound. -- Can you use Netscape? It supports sound and frames, and its free. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:54:56 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:45:29 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bell, Erik H. wrote: > > Hellloooo Spooksters, > > Delurking for a brilliant idea. I propose that we in the SoCal area > form the first official Halloween-L chapter. > Returning to my grave, > Erik Bell Okay folks. This was the idea of the year! I couldn't agree more. Let's do it. Join! Commit! Attend! I'm ready. In my dirt bike club we met once a month for meetings and once a month for play. This could work well. Meetings were held at a pizzaria with pizza and beer. The play was either a ride or a X-mas float or whatever. In our case it could be a workshop! Oh dear, I'm salivating. . . . . Erik, lead us home. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:02:26 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:56:04 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: table saw gag... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Once home, I cut some silver cloth into a disk. > > put it on my table saw and let it fly! > > I swear it looks like a real round saw as > it is spinning! > > Now here is the gag... > > I dropped my hand on it and it looked like > it was cutting into my hand! > > I was wondering if their is a NON conductive > liquid that could be SPRAYED out of the table? > > It would make a great splatter blood effect! Great idea!!! I don't know of a non-conductive liquid. You probably could use water as long as it don't get in the motor, just be sure your saw is grounded and use a GFCI. Have you considered using a low-voltage motor? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:05:45 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:54:54 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian Rich wrote: > > Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has > reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! Yes, The Pirates took a break to be made more politically correct. It has been all over the local news media. Now, instead of chasing women, the pirates chase food held by the women. >From the news stories, I believe they have reopenned ... as kinder, gentler pirates. Yo Ho, Yo Ho, a bottle of Pepsi for me! OOps! I mean Coke. They do afterall have that exclusive "No Pepsi, Coke" contract. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:16:27 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:31:53 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: In your area Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Well, duh! How about a telephone number? (760) 945-4424 Sorry, folks, I'm in the ozone. Greg in Ozone From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:23:12 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:08:38 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian Rich wrote: > > Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has > reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! > -- > Brian Wesley Rich > ------------------------------------------------- > Visit my amateur science page. > Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! > http://www.west.net/~science/ I think the only major change is in the chasing of the wench, some other minor ones. Disney is going PC. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:23:22 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:15:32 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: table saw gag... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > I don’t use this kind of thing in my HH, > dose not fit my theme.... > > But I thought it up on the way home > from a tool show and thought one of you may like it. > > Once home, I cut some silver cloth into a disk. > > put it on my table saw and let it fly! > > I swear it looks like a real round saw as > it is spinning! > > Now here is the gag... > > I dropped my hand on it and it looked like > it was cutting into my hand! > > I was wondering if their is a NON conductive > liquid that could be SPRAYED out of the table? > > It would make a great splatter blood effect! > > ANY chemists out there that could suggest a > safe liquid (no matter what color) > that would not pose an electrical hazzard? > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Hi, Love the gag. Don't know of any liquids off hand that do not conduct electricity. You could test with a multi meter. The best way is to remove the 110vac motor and replace it with a 12 or 24vac motor. This would be safer no matter the liquid and because of the probability that along the way someone would use a conducting fluid. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:27:25 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:49:44 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween club Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > > it might be a convenient place to pick up a small fogger, you could > > probably find one cheaper at a pro-sound/lighting store. And if you go > > shopping in November, you can buy a rental unit for pretty low cost > > (relatively). > > > > My thoughts only.... > > Bob > > That's what I figured. I told them when I was there a few months ago > that I lived in another area and was on vacation. She said "too bad you > weren't here a week ago, we had our 50% off sale going." To which I > responded "Since you close in two minutes, I can either go home now and > wait till your next 1/2 off sale to buy that $300.00 fogger, or you can > have a 50% off sale right now for it." They said what the heck, so I got > the Fog Hog model for $150.00! I guess living out of town has its > perks? > -- > Wil > X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X > Rest in Peace > Death Lord > '97 Topic Archives- > http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm > X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Love it, Lord gotta love it, *LOL* jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:27:29 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:01:07 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The Proctors wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > > > The Proctors wrote: > > > > > > Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hate you... > > > > > You hate me... > > > > > Let's tie Barney to a tree... > > > > > Take a gun and shoot in the head... > > > > > > > > > > ***BANG*** > > > > > > > > > > Aren't we glad that's Barney's dead... > > > > > > > > > > don - Owner of *ALL* the Barney tapes and wearer of the dreaded Birthday > > > > > Barney suit.... ; > > > > > > > > Can do you one better... > > > > I love you, > > > > you love me, > > > > lets tie barney, > > > > to a tree... > > > > > > > > with a great big knife, > > > > and blood on the floor, > > > > no more purple dinosuar!!! > > > > Photographed the purple monster for a publicity thing....Yuck!! > > > > Kathy > > > > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > My 13-y.o. son has a poster on his bedroom door. On the top is a picture > > > of Barney with a bunch of explosives strapped to his back and under that > > > picture it says, "Barney." Below that, on the bottom half of the poster > > > is a picture of purple debris laying everywhere and under that it says, > > > "Barney Rubble." He loves it and gets a lot of comments on it. I > > > thought the cable guy was going to steal it! I warned him he'd probably > > > have to take it down for awhile when his 3 y.o. sister finally "gets > > > it." > > > > > > Since we live a 5-minute drive from Barney's *birthplace* and > > > headquarters, we've been Barney-ized a lot longer than you guys who > > > tuned in when he got discovered and went *national*!!! And one of the > > > kid actors on the show goes to my son's middle school... > > > > > > Karen > > > Hi Karen, > > The original Barney cast had three members from my acting school. > > Barney is played by an actor that I trained and now works as a teacher > > at the acting school, I have been living with the Purple one much > > longer. AHHHHH jbcorn > > JB, > Yeah, I noticed you live just 2-3 towns west of me. I'm sure you WON'T > reveal whether the *real* Barney (actor) moonlights in Haunted Houses in > October! > > Karen > -- > Please remove XXX from email address when replying. The real Barney as a human works for me in my production company and ocassionally I get him to scare the s--t out of my customers, he is great. I promised not to tell who he is, but everyone in the school knows. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:27:30 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:03:52 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bell, Erik H. wrote: > > Hellloooo Spooksters, > > Delurking for a brilliant idea. I propose that we in the SoCal area > form the first official Halloween-L chapter. > > Purposes for the chapter might include: regular get-togethers to relish > in our mutual (ahem) problem, midnight movie group excursions to such > fine films as SCREAM, group visits (and possible group discounts) to the > Halloween Club, group practice and support for trying out for a part in > the annual Knott's Halloween Haunt, haunted house workshops, off-season > Halloween parties, coordination for a group(s) mega-Haunted House, etc. > > I know we all lead busy lives (dead or otherwise) but I'm sure we can > spare a little time for this passion. Let me know what you think. > > Returning to my grave, > Erik Bell > > RastaCroc@aol.com > RastaCroc@msn.com OK, thats it, sounds like you guys are about to secede from the union. It is my intention to raise funds, finance an army and invade California. Placing you all under house arrest until reservations can be made for the Hale-Bop comet spaceship. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:27:39 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:07:21 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-29 12:45:23 EDT, you write: > > << house, and imagine the sheer extra terror that all the ghots and > ghoulies in the house are calling the frightened one BY NAME!. Try and > get THAT particular thrill out of auotmation! > > Harry > >> > Jerrys response: > > Actually I saw this done for Expo 75 in Japan. > > Animated cartoon characters (on computer monitors) > that were run by a computer would talk to you > and were designed to respond to you with > personnel information (name, age, ect. ) > using programs designed around the formulas and tricks > mental telepathists and fake fortune tellers use in their > magic acts. > > Yours ghouly Jerry - > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ > > ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ > (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) > (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) > > Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html > > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Is that 1975? and what have you heard about it since? jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:27:43 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:06:00 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr wrote: > > Kathy wrote: > *>wonder how many times one person can ride the haunted mansion ride in > *>one day??? > > We once rode 'It's a Small World' for over 8 hours straight. > That was way over 200 rides, in all. I kinda lost track after > the first 50 or so.... > > "Its such a pretty song...." > > Talk about your torture....I would'a given away the plans to > anything they asked for after that... > > Hey, it was a marathon for charity.... > > -bill > > -- > "You see, it's like I've always said: 'You can get more with a kind word > and a two-by-four than you can with just a kind word'. - Marcus Cole > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** And I thought I was wierd. Hey my eyes still water at the end of Nightmare before Christmas, used to be tears of happiness, but I have seen it ... lost count. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:30:36 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:27:35 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: The First Semi-Annual Southern California Halloweenaholics Gettogether and Creatathon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Count me in. I live in the San Fernando Valley, but will drive from Orange County to Santa Maria. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:34:12 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:13:49 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween club Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob, Is this Halloween shop open year round??? If so how close is it the the big D!!! I may have to make a pitstop!! I can hear my husband now!! WE DRIVE 8 HOURS TO GO TO A HALLOWEEN SHOP!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:40:20 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:10:44 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > We once rode 'It's a Small World' for over 8 hours straight. > That was way over 200 rides, in all. I kinda lost track after > the first 50 or so.... > > "Its such a pretty song...." > > Talk about your torture....I would'a given away the plans to > anything they asked for after that... > > Hey, it was a marathon for charity.... > > -bill Hey Bill, If they ever do that again, please let me know...I would love to come down and ride a ride over and over ...and to do it for charity!! that is great!! wonder what the world record is?? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:43:21 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:13:58 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has > reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! > -- > Brian Wesley Rich Brian, I have read in further posts that it is open, and that it is changed. I will report when we get back. I as a "woman" think it is totally stupid to change any part of the ride. Next thing you know people who are in prison are going to gripe at the part with the guys behind bars trying to get the keys. I am sorry but I think some people need to get a life. off my soap box...and back to being 4'11'' again!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:45:31 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:42:53 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: RE: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-controlled :-D Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com < A little snip here...> > If you look at the scripts that > come with it you can see the creator connected the computer to a door bell > so that a sound play and lights came on with the push of the button. > Speaking of which, does anyone know how to do this. I don't know anything > about electronics, and was wondering if anyone has tried this. Also goes > anyone know if there is a way to connect a motion detector from a porch > light to the computer to do the same type of thing? Thanks for the help in > advance. < A little snip there> There was an article last year in Electronics Now called the Goblin Greeter. It had full schematics on how to interface the effect to a doorbell. I'll have to look at it again to refresh my memory as to how they did it. A simple approach would be to hook a 24 volt (or are doorbells 12 volt, I always forget) light bulb up in place of the doorbell itself. Wire a photodiode to the trigger button inputs on your computer game port (across pins 1 & 2 for button 1). Place the photodiode in a dark box along with the light bulb. Voila, opto-isolator. Now, just read the game port & watch for button 1. WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! I AM JUST HYPOTHOSIZING!! I HAVE NOT TRIED THIS AND IT MAY DAMAGE YOUR COMPUTER! It shouldn't but it might. I have to do a bit more research & try it out. What I am showing is that for simple inputs, use your game ports. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:46:30 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:16:35 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pirates of the Caribeean Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Yep it has... My stepdaughter (12) said "It's ok". I'm gonna miss the women > being chased around the house... It always reminded me of home :) > > Bob > Hey Bob, I will give you a womans point of view on it!! I didn't have any problem with the first version...it always got the biggest laugh out of me and everyone on the ride. Kathy getting off the crypt From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 17:47:25 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:49:16 -0700 From: Erik Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > Bell, Erik H. wrote: > > > > Hellloooo Spooksters, > > > > Delurking for a brilliant idea. I propose that we in the SoCal area > > form the first official Halloween-L chapter. > > > Returning to my grave, > > Erik Bell > > Okay folks. This was the idea of the year! I couldn't agree more. Let's > do it. > > Join! > > Commit! > > Attend! > > I'm ready. > > In my dirt bike club we met once a month for meetings and once a month > for play. This could work well. Meetings were held at a pizzaria with > pizza and beer. The play was either a ride or a X-mas float or whatever. > In our case it could be a workshop! Oh dear, I'm salivating. . . . . > > Erik, lead us home. > > -- > Wil > X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X > Rest in Peace > Death Lord > '97 Topic Archives- > http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm > X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Thanks man, More to follow, out. Erik From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:05:51 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:59:48 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: table saw gag... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > I don’t use this kind of thing in my HH, > dose not fit my theme.... > > But I thought it up on the way home > from a tool show and thought one of you may like it. > > Once home, I cut some silver cloth into a disk. > > put it on my table saw and let it fly! > > I swear it looks like a real round saw as > it is spinning! NICE gag. Good idea! -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:11:05 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:00:15 -0700 From: Brian Rich To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > The real Barney as a human works for me in my production company and > ocassionally I get him to scare the s--t out of my customers, he is > great. I promised not to tell who he is, but everyone in the school > knows. > jbcorn Does this unnamed person also do the voice? THAT'S the part that gets me! -- Brian Wesley Rich ------------------------------------------------- Visit my amateur science page. Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! http://www.west.net/~science/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:21:01 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:02:55 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > Hey Bill, > If they ever do that again, please let me know...I would love to come > down and ride a ride over and over ...and to do it for charity!! that is > great!! wonder what the world record is?? > Kathy My record is once in a row. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:33:15 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:28:02 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:16 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >I feel left out..... Are there any East Coast Halloween types out there? >David in Delaware YEPPERS!! FiberOptic @ Edgewood Maryland!! -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:34:26 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:29:55 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: Advertising and T-Shirts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >I've got a great T-Shirt supplier as well. (He did the design for us) > > Ira McRoberts, Owner > McDuck Productions Imprinted Sportsware > P.O. Box 3715 > Ventura, CA 93006 > (805)644-3255 > >He does most of his business with camps and schools, so he keeps pretty >on top of what the young T-Shirt owner will wear. Latest colors, >graphics, typestyles, etc. He can design for you or work from your >artwork. His shop is in an industrial complex that does not allow >walk-up business, but he's got two big bays, with an 8-color automated >press, darkroom, copy camera, belt dryer, etc. He also does ballcaps, >jackets, embroidery, sweatshirts, you name it. Great work at reasonable >prices. Sorry to pushit! But what kind of prices are good. I need about 8 tees and 8 sweatpants, in black with writing. Do you have any pricing ideas. I'm on the East Coast and a call to Ventrua Califonia would not keep my head around my father!! Thanx! -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:52:47 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:46:31 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween club Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Bob, > Is this Halloween shop open year round??? If so how close is it the > the big D!!! I may have to make a pitstop!! I can hear my husband now!! > WE DRIVE 8 HOURS TO GO TO A HALLOWEEN SHOP!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com It is 5 miles before the turn off to Disneyland right off the fwy. Can't miss it. It's on the right. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 18:53:05 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:46:34 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brian Rich wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > The real Barney as a human works for me in my production company and > > ocassionally I get him to scare the s--t out of my customers, he is > > great. I promised not to tell who he is, but everyone in the school > > knows. > > jbcorn > > Does this unnamed person also do the voice? THAT'S the part that gets > me! > > -- > Brian Wesley Rich > ------------------------------------------------- > Visit my amateur science page. > Chemicals, sample experiments, and good ideas! > http://www.west.net/~science/ No, the voice is done off stage by another actor. David, no last name, does the TV/Movie and all key personal apperances, Mr voice has to travel with him. David could not do the voice anyway, his mouth controls The Purple ones mouth. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 19:21:17 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:51:02 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > OK, thats it, sounds like you guys are about to secede from the union. > It is my intention to raise funds, finance an army and invade > California. Placing you all under house arrest until reservations can > be made for the Hale-Bop comet spaceship. > jbcorn > My kind of man!! Take charge and get control!! Now about my pair of Nike's!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 19:24:38 1997 To: "Halloween Newsgroup" From: "Bruce & Tammy Miller" Subject: Florida members Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 21:26:35 PDT Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Any list members in Florida, other than me? I'm in the middle of the state, not far from DisneyWorld. Bruce Miller tbmiller@frostproof.net " uhh-hh... where??!? " From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 19:27:26 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:58:04 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com My record is once in a row. -- Bob Andrews Bob, I am not talking about just Small World...I know how you feel about that ride!! I want to ride Haunted Mansion till I can't stand it anymore!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 19:34:31 1997 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 22:24:38 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, folks! I appreciate all the new people who have joined this list recently, and it's gratifying to see the enthusiastic postings! One comment, though...There's been A LOT of traffic on the list, and we're still six months away from Halloween! I shudder to think what this list will be like as we near the dreaded date... I've got to ask, again, that people take a little more care with their mailings. Please.. -Edit the text of the message you're replying to. We're interested in what YOU have to say, not in how well your mailer can include the entire previous thread. Try to send more new text than quotations from other people. -Consider whether a reply might be better directed to the individual who sent that message, instead of the entire list. Thanks. If folks are careful about this, it'll make it much easier on us as we approach Halloween! "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 19:47:39 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:41:02 -0700 Subject: In your area To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com What is your voice and email number, Greg? i'm in Gardena, near Long Beach...... Harry "cmon down!" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 19:55:11 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:51:06 -0700 Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry, if you get your information inputted before a show, OF COURSE it will be able to call you by name! I used to have an arcade game that would do the same thing, calling each player by name while they were playing. Course you had to input your name via keyboard. (Thayer's Quest i you ever find that arcade game, translated to the PC under the name KINGDOMS). Course you can also get away with some more technologicl tricks now, but I don't think they would be so frightening. At work, we are getting ready to ship a form of a photo machine which prints your pictures on small stickers. It uses a CCD camera to freeze the picture in memory. Imagine taking a picture of someone during a haunt, and having their picture in the haunt later on like on the wall or a book of the dead or something. Course you need to time their picture when they are looking directly. Maybe a lookin window for a suprise ghost? Cute touch, but not a major thrilll.... Harry "biased always towards the human actors" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 20:24:09 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:16:28 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:24 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, folks! I appreciate all the new people who have joined this list >recently, and it's gratifying to see the enthusiastic postings! > >One comment, though.. Good comments, Andy. Is it time to start thinking again about listserv software that supports a digest? Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 20:45:17 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:37:40 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Florida members Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:26 PM 4/29/97 PDT, you wrote: >Any list members in Florida, other than me? Here are the FL and GA members who responded to the member list survey. Carolyn Smith csmith06@harris.com Indian Harbour Beach FL Joe Dunfee jdunfee@shadow.net Miami FL Freya Harris cybercat@mindspring.com Atlanta GA Jack Bentley jcb28@bellsouth.net Woodstock GA Jim & Laura Willis jwillis@pigseye.kennesaw.edu Kennesaw GA Rodney Grantham rodney3@juno.com Atlanta GA From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 20:50:22 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: Halloween Club Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:42:48 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy wrote: > Is this Halloween shop open year round??? If so how close is it the >the big D!!! I may have to make a pitstop!! I can hear my husband now!! >WE DRIVE 8 HOURS TO GO TO A HALLOWEEN SHOP!! Kathy, you're in luck. It sure is open year 'round. Would probably make a good stop on your trip this weekend. Let me know if you want directions. :) Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 20:52:10 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:37:43 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Heads up [banter if you're already on the member list] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com With this fantastic influx of new subscribers and increased activity from former lurkers (we still luv'ya though), it's time to get people thinking again about participating in the member list. Participation is voluntary but, if you want a copy, you must participate. When I contact you with a survey, I will be asking for nothing more specific than your city, state or province and real name (besides your Halloween interests). You can elect to omit any info you prefer to keep private. The purpose of the list is to let us all see where we are and who shares particular interests. It especially serves questions like "who else is located near me?" I'm close to setting up a copy of the member list on my web page with password protection. When this is complete, you will need the password and a browser that is JAVA compliant (like Netscape and, soon, Explorer). For those who are unable to access the web page, I will still make the list available by email. For now, a dummy copy of the list with fictional entries is set up for your viewing at http://www.csusm.edu/public_html/ghope/greghome.htm Follow the links to Halloween, then to the registry. I'll begin the survey process soon. If you're a newcomer (or not previously listed), I will contact you. If you're in a hurry or want to update your listing, you can send me email directly or use the form on my mail & more page on the web. =============================================== DO NOT SEND ME MEMBER LIST INFO VIA THE LISTSERV =============================================== I WILL LABEL YOU FOR LIFE AS A VIOLATOR OF LISTSERV ETIQUETTE AND ANDY OAKLAND WILL BRAND YOU WITH A RED HOT NETWORK INTERFACE CARD ! ! ! Apologies to veterans who already know the routine and gag whenever I bring this up. Greg in Vista From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 20:53:27 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Not the first ime it's been brought up, Greg! Dave On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Greg Hope wrote: > At 10:24 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, folks! I appreciate all the new people who have joined this list > >recently, and it's gratifying to see the enthusiastic postings! > > > >One comment, though.. > > > Good comments, Andy. Is it time to start thinking again about listserv > software that supports a digest? > > Greg > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 21:34:41 1997 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:29:49 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greg Hope , Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:16:28 -0700 >Good comments, Andy. Is it time to start thinking again about listserv >software that supports a digest? Well, a digest would help people who are concerned about the number of individual email messages they receive, but it wouldn't do anything about the total volume. It would just collect a day's worth of postings and batch them out all at once. I wouldn't like to see the list go entirely "digestified", since that would _really_ slow down the time between sending something out and getting feedback on it. (And with the current list volume, I fear getting a whole day's worth of postings in a single mail message would explode my mailer! :^) I know Don's been looking for a list server that supports digests, though, so you're not the only one asking for them. My view is that we're fine without any software changes, just so long as everyone takes care with what they send...IE, edit repeated text so it's no longer than new text, and reply to sender instead of the whole list when appropriate. "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www/ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 21:57:03 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:49:09 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Sorry Greg, > to tell you the truth we did not know till last night. Hope I didn't come off too serious. I really regret missing a chance to meet you. What days are you folks going to be in Anaheim? There's always a slim chance I can work something out. Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 22:00:45 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:10:58 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > > OK, thats it, sounds like you guys are about to secede from the union. > > It is my intention to raise funds, finance an army and invade > > California. Placing you all under house arrest until reservations can > > be made for the Hale-Bop comet spaceship. > > jbcorn > > > My kind of man!! Take charge and get control!! Now about my pair of > Nike's!! > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Nyet, I do have a purple shroud, he he he, ohhh bad taste, maybe a scene with corpses in bunk beds with purple shrouds and 2001 playing in the background, anyone of the corpses could ask customers passing between the bunks tro join or else... jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 22:06:02 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:50:03 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > something. Course you need to time their picture when they are looking > directly. Maybe a lookin window for a suprise ghost? Cute touch, but not > a major thrilll.... hI, For 1999. I am developing software and hardware for a stock video of the haunt to insert video segments of customers from selected locations. Customers wear a xmtr ID bracelet that activates a ccd camera and drops video into a hard disk file for down load to a vcr. The tape would include story of haunt, commercials and the group, up to four, in four to six scenes. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 22:21:29 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:00:15 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank ghost Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Don, > I can't wait to see the video!! Well, heres something to munch on THE FIVE SENSES The design of the typical haunt includes two senses, sight and sound. Seldom do I see an attempt to reach more senses. Taste is the one sense that I am unable to use in a commercial haunt. My LARP games use taste and my early home haunt during junior high used taste. I would bring the little costumed monsters into my living room and among sorted other goodies, in the dark, I would give them a peeled grape to eat, as they chewed I would say "…and that is Uncle Fred’s good eye." The response more often than not required me to turn the lights on and show the shocked child a peeled grape. I could easily write many pages on each of the remaining four senses. SIGHT The human eye has a contrast ratio of one million to one. Motion picture film has a contrast ratio of two hundred to one and television is twenty to one. Contrast ratio is the relationship of the brightest spot to the darkest spot. The human iris can adjust from the darkness of a closet to the brightness of the sun in a relative short period of time. It is during this transition time that you have complete control over your customer. The lack of proper sight increases the sensitivity of the other senses, especially sound. When a customer is semi blind and he detects a soft voice in very close proximity, prepare for a severe reaction. The mechanics are simple. Most haunts are so dark all the way through that they can never take advantage of this most basic principle. The usual way to compensate is with strobe lighting or the flashlight in the face. Instead paint your scenes with color. Red, blue, green and amber are my favorites. My lighting system is 12vac with bulbs of four, seven and eleven watts. I control the intensity of light with the wattage of the bulb. I use floral wrap for gel. I adjust color saturation by adding more layers of gel. Traditionally I use red and green together; amber and blue as stand alone. Red and green are used to crisscross a subject. Blue is used on some dummies and amber is used to brightly illuminate some scenes. I try not to use white light, except in some instances with strobes. I do use more colors than listed. The key to color is the spectrum and color saturation. Darker colors force the iris to open. Lighter colors force the iris to close. When using light to set up a scare, it is important to have objects to reflect the light. A black room will not reflect any light. A room with some white, chrome or other highly reflective item(s) will reflect light into the customers' eyes and help to close the iris. A slow pulsing strobe is more effective at blinding than a fast pulsing strobe. Whenever possible, aim the strobe into the customers’ face. Aim strobes 180 degrees apart if more than one strobe is used. Do not use dark colors on strobes, you defeat their purpose. TOUCH This area is constantly overlooked. Your customers want to touch things. Most of the time they are touching things that you do not want them to touch. Fill their craving for physical contact, give them things to touch. My tombstones are made with hydracal and burlap. I place two or more near the customer pathway for customers to touch. Hydracal is cold, smooth and hard. It has the feel of death. The lava pit uses burlap soaked in a mix of paint and Elmers glue. The burlap is then applied to the wall, while the wall is still flat on the ground. Once dried the wall is set in place. This has a rough texture, coarse and unfriendly. In the dark these walls evoke feelings of being in a strange unfriendly place. We do not touch any of our customers. That does not mean that they are not touched. At every opportunity Something will touch my customers. The Tube room is 4" diameter flexible black drain pipe hanging from the walls and ceiling. Customers must touch, bump and bounce through the mess. The fun house effect is better for all behind the lead person as all the tubes he bumps become alive and bounce into those that follow. Roots use sisal rope dipped in black latex. Customers must duck down to enter roots. The roots are dangling in the path. The latex rubber has a clinging quality that grabs at the customers. The roots feel gross. My spider web uses latex covered fabric with a wire center. I shape these with bends, twists and turns. Customers crawling through the web have these things bumping their face. When they move them aside with their hands they are disgusted and cannot wait to get out. The web is full of other items as well; dangling string, soft body parts and wet fabric. Verdun Manor has a tunnel of flesh. Customers must maneuver through the sixteen foot tunnel. All manners of gross fleshy items are visible, Lance calls it the "Meat Locker." A living wall of flesh was part of a short lived Dallas Haunt. Actual arms, legs and heads were thrust into the wall from the back and used to animate the constructs of the wall. To keep customers from touching or grabbing the flesh items, the wall was covered with glycerin and green slime. Customers exited with glycerin and green slime on their clothes anyway. I have coated items with glycerin, too. But, prefer to encourage customers to feel the natural item. Lighting, or lack of, plays an important part in touch. That is, what you feel and cannot see lets the imagination fill in the blanks. The guard room offers a unique opportunity. Once in a while the actor will have a macho type challenge him in one way or the other. This actor may not talk. He can offer this customer a bite of the arm he is carving. Occasionally the macho customer will touch the arm, to take it, the arm is sprayed with glycerin. The macho customers’ reaction is immediate, but amplified by his friends. The guard room creature laughs, then pretends to eat the arm. The customer group is totally grossed out and exits quickly. This is the least used variation of this scene, but it does use touch. Jbcorn part one of two From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 22:32:41 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:11:56 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Roaming Theatre Monsters (was RE: Scream...) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The absolute master of theatre gags and pr stunts was a guy named William Castle, who was responsible for movies like "13 Ghosts," "House on Haunted Hill," and "The Tingler." Most every movie had a stunt: from life-insurance policies for anyone who died of fright to electric shocks wired into certain seats. Other than John Waters, I can't think of anyone who has ever challenged his heir to this particular throne. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Tue Apr 29 23:41:37 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:50:23 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: GOOD idea, BAD idea. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com "It's time for another "Good idea, Bad idea...Good Idea, having fun with a maze...Now for the BAD idea..." Every now and then my brain gets the hic-ups and coughs up a piece of trivia...Here's another one: A while back, (year or so??) I was watching Headline News about one of those stories of: "If you build it, they will come...". This one in particular gave me the hee-be gee-bees...One you read it, you will know why. In the newscast, was a reporter "somewhere in the mid-west" at a farmers field. The farmer, a rather "curious" person, planned out a maze, and drove his tractor to make a path in a 5? acre maze....in a grown corn field....in September/October. Now to top it off, he charged $5.00 per person! They gave each "group" a color flag...In parts of the maze, there were pipes to call a tall tower. This tower overlooked the whole sha-bang and the tower could then tell the people where to go if they got stumped (no pun). I don't recall the number of people that had "toured" the event, but I do recall it was a BIG number... Now, I don't know about you...but walking lost in 5 acres of dried corn with