some clod stoking on a cigar "somewhere" in there.... Green corn, I could live with...but that...Eeeewwww! I would hate to be paying his property liability tax :) 'Nuff said. John--Amazed what people do.... ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 00:00:51 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:40:14 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: OH NO< dont let the rain come down... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-29 19:38:11 EDT, you write: << f you just need a tent for a little while, contact a local funeral home and they might rent you one. We do this for bar-be-ques, street festivals (it rains a lot here), etc. Gertrude Smith gsraptor@arkansas.net >> Jerry's question: Speaking of rain, how would you all suggest protecting a sewing machine motor from rain? I am working on the flying ghost mechanism to use in an idea I am working on. But it will be outside in the environment. How do you all keep the electric motor from getting drench in the rain? jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 00:49:02 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:36:50 -0700 Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (idea from jbcorn involving a camera nd a bracelet) Curiously enough, what you are describing is quite similar to a new system I have been called in as a consultant about. Where did you get the idea from? Harry "damn the nondisclosures!" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 04:10:24 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 05:52:13 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Gary Engle Subject: Electronic Kits Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, I just picked up a couple of things from the Electronic Goldmine(1-800-445-0697) that I thought someone else might be interested in. 1. 120v AC Shimmering Light Kit. #C4737 $5.95 Comes with everything except a box to put it in. A little soldering. Makes any incandescent light(up to 200watts) strobe. Adustable from slow to fast. 2. 120v AC Sound Activated 2 Channel Color Organ. #G3319 $5.95 on sale for $3.95 Preassembled except you need to add 2 outlets and a line cord and put it in a box. Both worked the first time I plugged them in. I wanted to post the schematic for the Shimmering Light, but have not found a way to post it. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 04:21:25 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:09:29 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com sao@mit.edu wrote: > > Hi, folks! I appreciate all the new people who have joined this list > recently, and it's gratifying to see the enthusiastic postings! > > One comment, though...There's been A LOT of traffic on the list, and > we're still six months away from Halloween! I shudder to think what > this list will be like as we near the dreaded date... > > I've got to ask, again, that people take a little more care with > their mailings. Please.. > > -Edit the text of the message you're replying to. We're > interested in what YOU have to say, not in how well your > mailer can include the entire previous thread. Try to > send more new text than quotations from other people. > > -Consider whether a reply might be better directed to the > individual who sent that message, instead of the entire list. > > Thanks. If folks are careful about this, it'll make it much easier > on us as we approach Halloween! > > "That Pesky" Andy Oakland > sao@mit.edu > http://mit.edu/sao/www/ okay. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 04:26:01 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:14:15 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > Nyet, I do have a purple shroud, he he he, ohhh bad taste, maybe a scene > with corpses in bunk beds with purple shrouds and 2001 playing in the > background, anyone of the corpses could ask customers passing between > the bunks tro join or else... > jbcorn ...with a hale bop comet in the window, and a voice-over saying "All aboard". -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 05:19:49 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:06:05 -0400 From: CSMITH06@mailb.harris.com (CSMITH06) Subject: Re: Florida members To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bruce, I'm not too far from you. I live on the "Space Coast" in Indian Harbour Beach. Judging from Greg's reply there aren't too many Floridians on the list. Carol csmith06@harris.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Florida members Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at smtp Date: 4/29/97 9:26 PM Any list members in Florida, other than me? I'm in the middle of the state, not far from DisneyWorld. Bruce Miller tbmiller@frostproof.net " uhh-hh... where??!? " From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 05:25:14 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Lucien Desar To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Florida members Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Bruce & Tammy Miller wrote: > Any list members in Florida, other than me? I'm in the middle of the > state, not far from DisneyWorld. > > Bruce Miller > tbmiller@frostproof.net > " uhh-hh... where??!? " > I live out in East Orlando, although Halloween is not a word used much in these parts (*it's evil ! bad bad !*) :) LD From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 05:25:45 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:12:03 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:24 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >I've got to ask, again, that people take a little more care with >their mailings. Please.. > > -Edit the text of the message you're replying to. We're > interested in what YOU have to say, not in how well your > mailer can include the entire previous thread. Try to > send more new text than quotations from other people. > > -Consider whether a reply might be better directed to the > individual who sent that message, instead of the entire list. Thanks for the tips Andy! Those replies really need to have the original text cut down so there's enough to remind people what your answering, that's all you need. When things are getting personal or regional, reply only to the people involved in your discussion or area, not the entire list. Don has informed me the archives are getting huge... 10 or 12 meg I believe he said. A bit more than the one or two posts that were there when I joined Halloween-L. Keeping "you wrote" text trimmed and replying off list when appropriate will save a lot of time now and in the future. As for digests, they don't save anyone's time or trouble. I do know Don is continuing to look into it. Mailing lists I've been on with digests always take more time to read and reply to. Instead of small individual posts you have one huge post containing all those little posts, to reply, you have to cut, paste and change the subject line even for the simplest message. People inevitably end up including the entire digested e-mail in their replies making the situation worse for everyone. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 05:34:43 1997 From: dallan@dow.com To: Subject: RE: table saw gag... Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:23:09 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think that glycerine would fit the bill. Other organics should be fine from an electrical conductivity perspective. Toxicity is another question. David, Ph.D. *My opinions, not my employers.* >---------- >From: JB Corn[SMTP:jbcorn@altinet.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 8:15 PM >To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Subject: Re: table saw gag... > >Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: >> >> I don't use this kind of thing in my HH, >> dose not fit my theme.... >> >> But I thought it up on the way home >> from a tool show and thought one of you may like it. >> >> Once home, I cut some silver cloth into a disk. >> >> put it on my table saw and let it fly! >> >> I swear it looks like a real round saw as >> it is spinning! >> >> Now here is the gag... >> >> I dropped my hand on it and it looked like >> it was cutting into my hand! >> >> I was wondering if their is a NON conductive >> liquid that could be SPRAYED out of the table? >> >> It would make a great splatter blood effect! >> >> ANY chemists out there that could suggest a >> safe liquid (no matter what color) >> that would not pose an electrical hazzard? >> >> Yours ghouly Jerry - >> >> @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ >> >> ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ >> (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) >> >> Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html >> >> @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ >Hi, >Love the gag. Don't know of any liquids off hand that do not conduct >electricity. You could test with a multi meter. The best way is to >remove the 110vac motor and replace it with a 12 or 24vac motor. This >would be safer no matter the liquid and because of the probability that >along the way someone would use a conducting fluid. >jbcorn > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 05:55:06 1997 From: dallan@dow.com To: Subject: RE: Hale-Bopp and Heaven's Gate Banter Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:42:09 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I just heard that they found another corpse of a hapless member of Heaven's Gate: under the kitchen sink behind the Comet! >---------- >From: Bob Andrews[SMTP:bandrews@inreach.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 7:14 AM >To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter > >JB Corn wrote: > >> Nyet, I do have a purple shroud, he he he, ohhh bad taste, maybe a scene >> with corpses in bunk beds with purple shrouds and 2001 playing in the >> background, anyone of the corpses could ask customers passing between >> the bunks tro join or else... >> jbcorn > >...with a hale bop comet in the window, and a voice-over saying "All >aboard". > >-- >Bob Andrews >bandrews@inreach.com >http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 06:42:15 1997 From: "Jim Baggett" To: Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:25:12 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Yes, Jim and I are in Caroline County Virginia. Charmaine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 06:43:59 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:26:44 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Re: The art of the SCARE. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 10:57 AM 4/29/97 -0500, JB Corn wrote >I am limited to 50 amps We put in a 600 amp service when we moved, over the objections of the electric company (who thought it was more than we'd ever use). Now they're complaining that we've maxed it out. Haunted houses grow to the limits of your resources, donchaknow? I'm still here and readying replies - just been too busy to post. Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 06:53:53 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:47:29 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > It uses a CCD camera to freeze the picture in memory. > Imagine taking a picture of someone during a haunt, Harry, We have been talking about this at home. We need tax deductions!! We have none!!! So we are going to work something with my photo business liscense. We are going to set up a set, background, ghouls, and that sort of stuff. Then we will put the little darlings in the set and snap their pictures with the Digital camera. While they are walking through the haunt we will be processing through the computer and have it come out printed on a nice halloween paper. When they come out the end they can purchase the photo card! We can take it to the school fairs and just change the theme of the set to match whatever is happening. And as my Tax Lady says...How much money do you spend on this haunted house that will make a good tax deduction?????....wait until she sees!!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:00:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:53:23 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-30 04:21:27 EDT, you write: << erry, if you get your information inputted before a show, OF COURSE it will be able to call you by name! I used to have an arcade game that would do the same thing, calling each player by name while they were playing. Course you had to input your name via keyboard. (Thayer's Quest i yo >> ----------------------------------------- not befor (although it would bee the same as calling ahead to the other actors befor they perform THIER show...) It was durring the interaction with the spectator. Kind of like the interactive computer "doctor" for therapy. But in this case it would use "tricks" for develpoing information while interacting with you... Same thing they use on the tellaphone fortune telling cons... All by formulas such as a statisical chance based on age and birth area.... but then I am getting in a area I should not again.... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:00:32 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:53:15 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Good comments, Andy. Is it time to start thinking again about listserv > software that supports a digest? > > Greg Hi Greg, I just want to say that I am on several lists and every once in awhile this digest topic comes up. I have talked to the list owners and they say people ask for digest, they pay for it for the year, and then people don't like it because they lose track of what is going on. So they go back to the regular list and the list owner is left with digest form, no one is using, and that they paid for. From what I hear it is not cheap!!!So this is something to think about. I do have to ask, one day I get a message saying that I write without putting any text from the message I am replying to and it is confusing. So now I am cutting and pasting here and there. Now there is a post that there is to much of that.... Oh Andy, things slow down around Halloween because everyone is busy building, painting, and swearing!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:03:45 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:55:50 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-30 03:37:55 EDT, you write: << > @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ Is that 1975? and what have you heard about it since? jbcorn >> Well....nothing... I have not been to Japan in 10 years.... :~< But it was not a BIG deal. Just a magicians trick combined with computers. jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:18:07 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:09:52 +0000 From: CTMartin To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB wrote: > > The real Barney as a human works for me...to scare the s--t out of my customers, he is great. Hooo, boy! wait 'till the grade school teacher (who freaked when we hanged/spin dried barney) hears that barney "moonlights" as a halloween monster! Some times 'ya just never know... No names or inferrences, of course! ;-} heh heh heh heh Cliff From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:36:03 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:26:56 -0700 Subject: photos in haunt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com According to my Tax Genius, money spent on supplies or services required for running a service or maintainence of items used in the business is tax deductible :) If you are making a business with the haunted house, then yoiu can actually consider going to every haunted house locally as an r & d expense and write it off!!! On the camera thing, we are gearing up at work to release possibly our most profitable game ever, a photo machine which will use a camera to snap pictures, overlay a digital background then vend out small stickers. Perhaps I can see about making it into a "black box" version with a seperate monitor and things. Right now on test, it is out-earning any arcade videogame that ever lived... (to give you an idea, a very famous piece like Street Fighter 2 or Mortal Kombat will earn about $350 a week on a good location, our new toy is making about $600 per day.....) Harry "Neo-Print!" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:41:32 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:19:37 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: X-10, Midi, 555, hand-job? Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (idea from jbcorn involving a camera nd a bracelet) > > Curiously enough, what you are describing is quite similar to a new > system I have been called in as a consultant about. Where did you get > the idea from? > > Harry "damn the nondisclosures!" Traver > > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] In all modesty I got the idea from Six Flags coaster photo. It seems a natural progression. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 07:44:36 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Disneyland Anaheim Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Brian Rich wrote: > Does anyone know whether the Pirates of the Carribbean attraction has > reopened yet? I'm curious to see whether they've ruined it! There is the Disney press release about POTC. BTW, my one & a half cents on this whole deal... Disney has been trying to please everyone for years. In the early seventies they changed a character from Mexican to Texian because of complains (America Sings), in the early eighties changed the burning cabin from Indians to careless settlers with a still. It is nothing new, but anything Disney is news. BTW, alt.disney.disneyland is a better place to discuss this... :) A flame war (what's new :) has been going on for months... From: Rich Koster Newsgroups: alt.disney.disneyland Subject: 'Pirates' Reopens at Disneyland Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:22:56 -0800 (Quoting from a Disney press release:) Friday March 7 10:21 AM EDT Veteran Disney Imagineers Honored at Disneyland As Enhanced 'Pirates of The Caribbean' Reopens March 7 ANAHEIM, Calif., March 7 /PRNewswire/ -- In celebration of its 30th Anniversary, "Pirates of the Caribbean" reopens today, March 7, following two months of comprehensive refurbishment which have provided it with an array of new figures and special effects plus computerized ride and show controls. Members of the Walt Disney Imagineering team which created the original attraction will be honored at the grand reopening, 9:30 a.m. Friday, in a special ceremony hosted by Paul Pressler, president, Disneyland, and by Marty Sklar, vice chairman and principal creative executive, Walt Disney Imagineering. At the conclusion of the ceremony, "Pirates of the Caribbean" will reopen to Disneyland guests. "In the 30 years since it premiered at Disneyland, 'Pirates of the Caribbean' continues to be the ride that is the most experienced and enjoyed by our guests," Pressler observed. "We're proud to recognize this remarkable team for its contribution to creating a classic and enduring Disneyland story." "Pirates of the Caribbean" was the last Disney theme park attraction whose creation was personally supervised by Walt Disney. With its spectacular sets, exciting action and numerous lifelike "Audio-Animatronics" figures, it represented a quantum leap forward in theme park entertainment and technology. Today, there are "Pirates of the Caribbean" attractions in each of the Disney theme parks worldwide. Regarding the new additions to the attraction, Sklar noted, "'Pirates of the Carribean' is the quintessential signature attraction of the theme parks Walt Disney created. We -- and I think our Disneyland guests -- measure everything we do against this 30-year-old adventure." Sklar continues, "The changes we have made have all been to enhance the story, the characters, and the total experience. We have added new scenes, new pirate figures, new animation, new computerized ride control and water control systems, and new special effects, sound and lighting. Many of these additions and enhancements are based on original sketches made 30 years ago by Imagineer Marc Davis -- but never completed. Now we feel that 'Walt's finest' is better than ever." During the recent refurbishment of the attraction, computerized ride and water control systems were added, greatly enhancing not only the operation of the Pirates boats but enabling the Imagineers to design a variety of additions to the scenes, adding new acts of theft and gluttony to the pirates' list of crimes. The veteran Imagineers to be honored on Friday are: X Atencio (songs and narration), Buddy Baker (music), the late Roger Broggie (Audio-Animatronics figures), the late George Bruns (music), Harriet Burns (models), Collin Campbell (concept sketches and installation), the late Claude Coats (backgrounds, layout and art direction), Don Edgren (engineering), Alice Davis (costume design), Marc Davis (character design and art direction), Blaine Gibson (sculpting), the late Yale Gracey (special effects), John Hench (art direction), Fred Joerger (models and installation), Bill Justice (programming), Bill Martin (New Orleans Square architecture), Wathel Rogers (programming), the late Herb Ryman (inspirational and atmosphere illustrations, pirates and New Orleans Square) and the late Leota Toombs (figure finishing). Three of the honorees will return to New Orleans Square on Saturday, March 22, when The Disney Gallery, upstairs from the entrance to "Pirates of the Caribbean," hosts a special signing for a "Pirates of the Caribbean" commemorative lithograph. Marc Davis, his wife Alice Davis and X Atencio will appear at the signing from 1 to 5 p.m. on Saturday, March 22. SOURCE Disneyland bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 08:09:28 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:58:47 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Perhaps I can see about making > it into a "black box" version with a seperate monitor and things. Right > now on test Hey Harry, If you need someone to test it feel free to send it this way!! What is nice about the digital camera and computer is that we can take pictures anywhere in the haunt and print them up. We are hoping it will work. Also we have the canon printer that prints on transfer paper. So we could make shirts for people also!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 09:03:07 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:54:52 -0400 From: William Wallace <104221.2540@compuserve.com> Subject: Southern Cal. get together is when????? To: "INTERNET:halloween-l@netcom.com" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I am wondering what time frame this meeting is being looked at??? Any ideas dates ect. Evil Erik From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 09:03:21 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:54:53 -0400 From: William Wallace <104221.2540@compuserve.com> Subject: Dead Can Dance To: "INTERNET:halloween-l@netcom.com" Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry, The music that they played in the Laire was from Dead Can Dance. The album was Serpent's Egg. I have a friend who is Dracula (the head monster) at Scary farm and he checked into it for me. Some of there other albums are also great for the music. Evil Erik From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 10:07:54 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:12:48 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: BANTER politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com CTMartin wrote: > > JB wrote: > > > > The real Barney as a human works for me...to scare the s--t out of my customers, he is great. hears that barney "moonlights" as a halloween monster! > Cliff He has two favorite rooms, "The guard room" and "The wall" He nails all that get near him, child and adult, even the macho. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 10:14:49 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:57:17 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > -- > Can you use Netscape? It supports sound and frames, and its free. Derek, No its not free...biggest misconception in cyberspace "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 10:15:24 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:04:49 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Pesky Andy and his usual whining Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Andy's whinning snipped > > Thanks. If folks are careful about this, it'll make it much easier > on us as we approach Halloween! > > "That Pesky" Andy Oakland > sao@mit.edu > http://mit.edu/sao/www/ I guess your post has merit...but every time you post this all the threads and good info swaps we have going, suddenly come to a halt :( I must admit that going through and deleting 20 post of me too's is a bit tiring at times, but IMHO it is a small price to pay for all the great info these threads bring up. just my 2 cents worth jimmy -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 10:28:28 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:17:17 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Hale-Bopp and Heaven's Gate Banter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com dallan@dow.com wrote: > > I just heard that they found another corpse of a hapless member of > Heaven's Gate: under the kitchen sink behind the Comet! > You know they were just trying to keep up with the Jonses :D jimmy -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 10:57:32 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, James Brandt wrote: > > Can you use Netscape? It supports sound and frames, and its free. > Derek, > > No its not free...biggest misconception in cyberspace Unlike some others, reinforcing my personal view that "You get waht you pay for!" Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 11:00:10 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:47:44 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Last year I wanted to do a purple tombstone with the words I loved you, you > Loved me and a little blood on it, but my husband convinced me I would be > traumatizing too many young children. Gotta get a sense of humour here :) > > Jacqui our purple tombstone said 'Barney, I miss you, you miss me....' was second in comments only to 'Lizzy Bordens dad lays here' with small tombstones scattered all over the yard that said 'and here' 'and here' 'and here' New tombstone for this year 'Mort & Faye Talitty' :) While I am thinking this way...we have been working on the history of 'Morty's Mortuary' and our 9 year old daughter came up with the family names... owner: Mortimer Alawhishes Phide, aka Mort A. Phide wife: Tera Phide daughter: Sissy Phide Wow, I love watching children develope from little acorns into complete nuts :) jimmy -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 11:00:51 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'Halloween List'" Subject: re: photos in haunt Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:29:58 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry Traver wrote: >According to my Tax Genius, money spent on supplies or services required >for running a service or maintainence of items used in the business is >tax deductible :) If you are making a business with the haunted house, Here's another idea. If you own a business, that business is allowed to deduct advertising expenses. Advertising can of course be newspaper, yellow pages, and such, but it can also be an event the business is sponsoring. Even better, it could be a "promotional event," where the business has invited clients, vendors, employees, etc. Wouldn't ALL expenses related to that promotional expense be tax deductible? Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 11:17:49 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:17 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hiya, I was busy for a couple days and came back to quite a thread going, C@@L :) I have met with locals about this the only thing I here is...'we dont know...you know you do it every year'...geeze The voodoo idea I had brought up to a resounding 'NO, thats going too far!!' JB gave me the idea of a black ghost 'WHAP' (sound of hand hitting forehead) I have no idea why I never thought of that...just never entered my mind. Also thinking of a spirit waiting room for "Morty's', lots of floating objects, specters, apparitions, and maybe a cold spot or two (more on the cold spots later). jimmy -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 11:18:18 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:12:16 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:47 AM 4/30/97 -0700, you wrote (snipped appropriately for topic): >Then we will put the little darlings in the set and snap >their pictures with the Digital camera. While they are walking through >the haunt we will be processing through the computer and have it come >out printed on a nice halloween paper. When they come out the end they >can purchase the photo card! Kathy, Although this is a great idea, I've been thinking about the practical nature of what you intend doing. You, someone (or a group of someones) won't be able to see much of the activity as they will be tied up at the computer all night..right? Although I haven't as yet purchased a digital camera. Have used everything else there is: scanners, cd-rom burners, photo software, etc. Regardless of prior experience, every time I work on photo stuff at the computer, it usually takes much longer than expected. In short this may need some intensive training (of others) and planning to accomplish....however, if there is anyone who could do it, you should :> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi0000,0000,8080 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 11:54:07 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:47:37 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Your Local County Chapter of the Halloweenaholics Society Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com William Wallace wrote: > > I am wondering what time frame this meeting is being looked at??? Any > ideas dates ect. > > Evil Erik I have been holding off with dates untill we had suffient response. I am thinking along the lines of three or four weeks from now though. Time is running fast toward the big date and I have very little free time indeed since I work 11 hrs a day 6 days a week. I would like to pursue this idea of getting a chapter or two going to tell the truth though. This is a fabulous idea whos time has come. Here it is. I have put some thought into this since Eric Bell's post that brought up the issue of creating an actual club out of this. I think that perhaps rather than just put together a few people from the surrounding area of each little locale, maybe we should look at California as whole. (for those of you that don't live in California, take note since this could well become a template for you too.) While we could consider the Southern California area split, it may be a better idea to consider it simply from county to county or something as such, allowing for possible growth if interest persists. The Orange County Chapter Halloweenaholics Society For the initial phase we could propose the area for membership for example from San Diego to Thousand Oaks. But if there were enough support, the San Diego County Chapter could open and save folks a long drive. It sounds like the Stockton County area (or thereabouts) already has a good jump on things where Bob and Kathy hail from. The Santa Barbara County Chapter Halloweenaholics Society Which could be considered initially including the Oxnard area to say Salinas. The reality is that anyone can belong to any group they choose, this just gives folks an idea of which chapter area they may be closer to. We could easily then arrange standard car pool meeting areas (i.e.= Denny's Restauraunt at exit 23) and phone number lists for each car pool area. With standard, fixed dates and loactions for meeting, each Society chapter would then be able to host folks from other chapters that might be traveling through their city. The minutes for all the Society chapter's meetings could be posted to all other society chapter memeber via the e mail list. Thus creating a superstructure of information that could be used by Cliff for examaple, while on a business trip to L.A. which so happens to coincide with the monthly dinner meeting of the Orange County Chapter. Cliff simply brings his printout of the last Orange Chapter's MINUTES that includes the time, date and location of the next meeting and sits in on the meeting, bringing with him the latest gadget from the show. I realize this is an ambitious undertaking, but it could really be a great asset to not just those on the halloween-list but for those people that don't have a $3,000.00 computer and on-line service. Truth be known, there are probably thousands of Halloweenaholics in our local area that aren't even on line, much less on the list. (I have been on line for 3 years and it took a paramount effort to wrestle my way on the list, which was over a two-week process.) Please, everyone interested in joining a local chapter of the Halloweenaholics Society speak up. This is a "turnkey" concept to what I have been suggesting for the past week and deserves to be looked at seriously. I am willing to help out in any capacity I could, including offering to use my plant as a meeting place for the workshops for our area's chapter. I also have served on boards before. So mail me either on list or directly about your actual level of interest and willingness to serve on the board of the proposed Orange or Santa Barbara Chapters of the Halloweenaholics Society. I also would like to hear from anyone that is intereseted in starting their own chapter of the society in other states and cities too. There is no reason for your area to be left out, as long as there are others that are within driving distance of your meeting place, others that are interested in joining and YOU are interested in doing the work to get it started. Eric Bell, if you're interested in heading up your area, please let me know. I am willing to help coordinate the global effort as well as the local effort if that is of interest to the folks reading this. The responses I have gotten for the earlier posts that were regarding the gettogether are still on file for the local meeting, however, I will need a re-post from you if you are interested and serious about becoming a member of the Society. Let's do it now, so we don't have to do it later! By Halloween we should have everything in place enough to put it on cruise control to take us through the holiday. There will be other posts on this topic showing further organizing and unity features once interest has been established. -- Wil Schock crafters@silcom.com (805) 937-7271 X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 12:08:24 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:02:45 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: > > > -- > > Can you use Netscape? It supports sound and frames, and its free. > > Derek, > > No its not free...biggest misconception in cyberspace > > "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" > ____________________________ _|_ Besides, he said he didn't have an IBM or a Mac.... -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 13:02:37 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:51:27 -0500 From: James Brandt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com hiya, OK all you tecs explain this to me... If I understand right, dryice is made by constricting the flow of CO2 gas. I have seen the devices to do this relativley inexpensive. If so...why couldnt the device be submerged into a vat of heated water? Instead of putting dryice into the heated water you could actualy make the dryice under the water...resulting in a cheaper method (CO2 is MUCH cheaper than dryice) also you would be able to set the rate through the regulater for a continious flow that would keep the tempeture exactly right with the right amount of 'ice' at all times. OK...makes sence to me...now tell me why it wont work jimmy -- "Morty's Mortuary, you stab 'em, we slab 'em" ____________________________ _|_ _ / ___/~~~ /------|------\ | ___|___ _|_/_______________|______|____\__\__|________,_ / R.I.P.\ \ _________________|____-_|-______|_____________) | The | <____// \|______|______|_______|_// \)_____> | Brandts | \___/ \___/ |_________| http://www.tecinfo.com/~ofm From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 13:13:05 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:02:56 -0500 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: politically incorrect Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: (snipped) > JB gave me the idea of a black ghost 'WHAP' (sound of hand hitting > forehead) I have no idea why I never thought of that...just never > entered my mind. James, I know that last year (or maybe the yr. before) there was a children's book about African-Am. ghost stories that was supposed to be really good and was getting a LOT of publicity. Can't think of the name right now but I'd recognize it again! Anyway, I live in a town with a great library system (including the ability to do online searches) so I was hoping maybe they had that book on the shelf. No luck but we do have copies of two other books in a similar vein. They're categorized under "Afro-American Folklore." Couldn't get ISBN's for them online, though. Anyway, here's a couple of titles maybe you can track down somewhere: The Headless Haunt & other African-American Ghost Stories by James Haskins HarperCollins, 1994 Raw Head, Bloody Bones: African-American Tales of the Supernatural I think there was a typo on this and either the author is Mary E. Lyons or else she was a co-author. Scribners, 1991 You may need to ask some friends/neighbors if there's anything besides voodoo that's an absolute no-no. There may be a big difference for people in things that are scary and creepy and things that are considered supernatural. Some older Af-Am people I know take supernatural-type things VERY seriously, just like voodoo. You know, as in its nothing to laugh about. Hate for you to REALLY scare your customers away!! Guess you're in for a little *market research.* Karen -- Please remove XXX from email address when replying. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 13:59:05 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:47:47 -0700 From: Scott Axworthy To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: OH NO< dont let the rain come down... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry: Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of rain, how would you all suggest protecting > a sewing machine motor from rain? > I am working on the flying ghost mechanism to use > in an idea I am working on. But it will be outside in > the environment. How do you all keep the electric motor > from getting drench in the rain? > I had the same problem and I used a high-tech piece of coat hanger wire and bent it into a long teardrop shape. Covered this is plastic. Shot a screw into the frame and and mounted it near the motor. Bent the wide area over the top of the motor to act as an umbrella. It has worked very well for about seven Halloween seasons. Not fancy, but it works. -Scott From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 14:14:07 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Interesting thought, Jimmy... I can try it out, and see what happens. The manufacture of dry ice in small (lab) quantities is done by expanding a high pressure stream of CO2 to ambient. The cooling is sufficient for (some of) the gas to drop below it's sublimation temp, and you get "dry snow". There are also foggers out there that use liquid Nitrogen, which is not that much more expensive than CO2. The Dewar to contain the LN2 is the costly part... Dave > If I understand right, dryice is made by constricting the flow of CO2 > gas. I have seen the devices to do this relativley inexpensive. > If so...why couldnt the device be submerged into a vat of heated water? > Instead of putting dryice into the heated water you could actualy make > the dryice under the water...resulting in a cheaper method (CO2 is MUCH > cheaper than dryice) also you would be able to set the rate through the > regulater for a continious flow that would keep the tempeture exactly > right with the right amount of 'ice' at all times. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 14:27:39 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:19:42 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Electronic Kits Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Both worked the first time I plugged them in. I wanted to post the > schematic for the Shimmering Light, but have not found a way > to post it. Can you draw it on a paint program or scan it and post it as an email attachment? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 15:00:53 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:45:42 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: need some help Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: > > > -- > > Can you use Netscape? It supports sound and frames, and its free. > > Derek, > > No its not free...biggest misconception in cyberspace I realize its not all free, but the version I downloaded was, lets talk about something more productive, like Halloween, we only have about 5 months -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 15:06:18 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:57:49 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com James Brandt wrote: OK all you tecs explain this to me... > Instead of putting dryice into the heated water you could actualy make > the dryice under the water...resulting in a cheaper method (CO2 is MUCH > cheaper than dryice) also you would be able to set the rate through Sorry, Oh, your idea may work, but C02 does not make dry ice cheaper, It is more convient, maybe. But the amount of dry ice a bottle would make would cost more than purchasing in bulk. At least the gizmo I have doesn't do a good job. Why not make fog with an air compressor? jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 15:22:12 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:16:00 -0700 From: rleach@bigboy73.West.Sun.COM (Roy Leach) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I think the key to make animatronics REALLY scary is to add the human element. If you get used to the idea that everything you see is just a mechanical trick, you can get numb to it. Now if there is one person mixed in that adds an unexpected twist when you've reached this comfortable state, it can have an incredible effect! This is from personal experience. I'd gone through the Haunted Mansion on several different occasions & simply enjoy the ride to get ideas for effects. There is a suit of armor right across from the endless hallway with the floating candle abra (sp?). On one occasion, there was an actor in the suit of armor that jumped at each car as it passed. I was just expecting the normal mechanical stuff, so this scared the stuff out of me! It only happened the one time but I still get nervous every time I pass the suit of armor. It's added some excitement back into the ride. roy. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 15:31:56 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Roy Leach wrote: > There is a suit of armor right across from the endless > hallway with the floating candle abra (sp?). On one occasion, there was an > actor in the suit of armor that jumped at each car as it passed. I was just > expecting the normal mechanical stuff, so this scared the stuff out of me! It > only happened the one time but I still get nervous every time I pass the suit > of armor. It's added some excitement back into the ride. He was only there one year (1986) and did scare most if not all.. :) I think it was because people where not expecting it. Same rides/same ghosts and hey, what the.... WHAM.... :) He has made a return during Mickey's Halloween treat the past two years, as well as a "live" bride in the ballroom. But it looks like last year was the last year for MHT.. :( don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 15:43:30 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:36:58 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Why not make fog with an air compressor? How do you make fog with an air compressor? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 16:23:13 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:21:49 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >At 08:16 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >>I feel left out..... Are there any East Coast Halloween types out there? >>David in Delaware (and Greg listed) VA MD NY NJ PA MA Man, there are alot of states here on the East coast. With the West coast, you've got what?. . . California. . .? And that's pretty much it, right? ;-) Oliver (geography boy) Holler hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 16:45:08 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:08:17 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Suits of Armor Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Just a pick-me-up for the E-coasters) For those that Live in Va, I have a treat for you (if you don't know already). When I was stationed in Newport News and Norfolk, I kept hearing of a place called: The Pottery. It was a HUGE place that sold all kinds of crafts and garden supplies hobby supplies etc...Well, I had to check it out... One of the 'el coolio items were hand crafted suits of armor (display use only) that could be ordered 4' 7' and even up to 20' ! I bought two 7' (they consider the top of the plumes the "top") suits and they have found numerous places to guard about the house and the attraction. Each piece was less than $200.00 and they even shipped them half way across the US for me. I think they have a "mailing list" but you can locate the number in a phone book..Called "The Pottery" in (near) Williamsburg Va. So, if you ever drive down to Williamsburg, stop in, you will be glad you did...Just take a truck:) Arrgh! Bad stom coming..time to un-plug! Hauntingly, John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 16:53:36 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:35:25 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Roy Leach wrote: > actor in the suit of armor that jumped at each car as it passed. I was just Roy, I heard this story and didn't believe it, now I hear it again. I guess Disney spices things up every once in awhile. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 16:54:10 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:04:20 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Bell wrote: > > Interesting thought, Jimmy... I can try it out, and see > what happens. The manufacture of dry ice in small (lab) > quantities is done by expanding a high pressure stream of > CO2 to ambient. The cooling is sufficient for (some of) the > gas to drop below it's sublimation temp, and you get "dry snow". > > There are also foggers out there that use liquid Nitrogen, > which is not that much more expensive than CO2. The Dewar > to contain the LN2 is the costly part... > > Dave > > > If I understand right, dryice is made by constricting the flow of CO2 > > gas. I have seen the devices to do this relativley inexpensive. > > If so...why couldnt the device be submerged into a vat of heated water? > > Instead of putting dryice into the heated water you could actualy make > > the dryice under the water...resulting in a cheaper method (CO2 is MUCH > > cheaper than dryice) also you would be able to set the rate through the > > regulater for a continious flow that would keep the tempeture exactly > > right with the right amount of 'ice' at all times. PV=nRT I think. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 16:54:11 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:37:14 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > Why not make fog with an air compressor? > > How do you make fog with an air compressor? Ahhh, Perfect lead in for part two, if the info here is not enough tell me. SENSES part two SOUND The haunts that I have visited treat sound as, Oh yeah by the way, we need music. Sound is a step child to the haunt business. Sound in motion pictures is the second sense. Without it many motion pictures would fail to entertain the audience. Even with it many fail. Sound is so important that some movies do market tests with different musical scores. What is it that we are missing? The usual haunt uses a good stereo system and four large speakers. The system is turned up to a deafening roar. Customers walking the path move closer to the source of the sound (deafening roar) and away from it (less deafening). It serves as a distraction, not an addition to the overall effect. Volume is the least of our worries. Sound Effects They are used to give a creation or scene depth/life. Background sounds of a lab create the atmosphere where the (mad) scientist works. Pieces of equipment come alive. A scene with creatures gnawing on the remains of previous customers gains depth with sounds of slurping and the gnashing of teeth. Sound Frequencies A single sound system does not allow us to play with frequencies. Sound waves. There are two types of sound waves, those we can hear and those we cannot hear, but can barely perceive. The sound that we hear I divide into three basic groups, High, Medium and Low. I use speakers designed to take advantage of these three groups; tweeters, mid-range and base. I create scene sound tracks to match the scene then select the speakers to match the sound. House Sound uses a mid-range speaker and the 70 volt distribution system. Scene sound uses 4-16 ohm speakers and stereo sound track with matching speakers. By changing the frequency from scene to scene I add another element to Pace and distraction. I paint part of my visual image with sound. They sound must not distract from the scene, but add aural color to it. Sound frequencies below our general range of hearing 20cps or less and those above 20,000cps can be used to evoke many emotions. 20,000cps and up sound is frequently used by crystal ball readers and such. It comes on at the moment of spiritual contact. The sound cannot be heard, but it can be perceived. I have used this effect in a totally dark room where customers waited before entering my haunt. The effect on one or more customers in a group was so startling that I had to discontinue use. 20cps or lower can be used with a sub-woofer to project sound waves down a hall into on coming customers. Again, the effect was so powerful that I discontinued use after one hour. These effects can be used in a controlled way. They should never be used in excess and experimentation on customers is not recommended. I discontinued their use not because they did not work, nor that the effect was so terrible, but because I trusted only myself to operate them and I had other things to do. The power these two effects have must be controlled and not abused. Try it on your friends. House Sound Greatly overlooked and abused, the main sound system is for general mood setting and sound masking. A 4,000 square foot haunt can be filled evenly with sound from a 100 watt amplifier. I use a mixture of 5 and 10 watt speakers and a 70 volt distribution system. The 10 watt speakers are used to mask sound. A ten watt speaker is placed above the entrance and exit doors to mask all house sounds. Two more are used in the haunt to mask selected areas. The 12 remaining speakers are all 5 watts and are placed to evenly distribute sound through out the haunt. The 70 volt system uses smaller wire to carry signal a greater distance and requires no impedance matching. Scene Sound Matching a scene to music for effect is not easy. Frequency, speaker placement and Pace must all be considered. Try each scene with different sound tracks. Watch the play of the scene and concentrate on the scene, not the music. If the music stands out, then you have the wrong music. Sound frequency and the beat are key things to be considered. Changing your sound track may also mean changing the frequency range of your speakers. Scene sound speakers are 20 watts. Note also, that not all scenes need special sound tracks. Most of my scenes use house sound, but I do adjust the frequency. Speaker Placement Book one shows my speaker cabinet design. They have two advantages, they focus sound into the customer path and they look so bad that no one would want to steal them. I label the back of each speaker for its type, wattage, frequency range and ohms or voltage. Sound effects must come from the area/item making the sound. Background music should fill the scene evenly and remain in the background. A scene could have three sound systems. A speaker outside of the entrance of the scene for house sound that masks the sounds from the scene. The second system would provide background music and the third would provide sound effects. I often combine the background music with the sound effects, placing one on channel "A" and one on channel "B" of a stereo amplifier. Some scenes require stereo background music and stereo sound effects. I use endless loop message cassettes, if you take care of them they last forever. I still use two tapes from 1990. House sound uses a three minute tape. Tapes for scenes vary in length from 20 to 30 seconds. Sounds In The Dark Back when I first started in the haunt business, I used cassette tape players for sounds. We placed between scenes in dark hallways. Now I use an 8 track Teac running at 15ips to distribute small quiet sounds to the darkest passages in my haunt. Small 20 watt amplifiers and 20 watt speakers play the random sounds. Some of the speakers are placed between 5’ and 6’ high from the floor. This way the sounds are near ear level. Other speakers were aimed at the roof, so the sound would be blasted in all directions. For many years' customers would exit, saying, "I never saw the chainsaw." All I had was the sound and many others. SMELL And no I don’t. OK. Haunts traditionally use fog machines. Every manufacturer I know says not to add things to their fog juice. Well, I’m hard of hearing and can barely read. Odor is a great distraction and offers additional depth to scenes. An autopsy room that reeks of death is more effective than one that smells like popcorn. My mineral oil based fog machines work great at providing a light mist for lights and a fantastic odor source. 20 to 30 lbs. of compressed air into a copper tube with 3 or 4 1/64" holes is all that you need. Sources of aroma are found in the food flavoring section of your grocery store. Read the label for oil based flavors. Experiment with mixing flavors with the mineral oil to come up with something very disgusting. Glycol fogger’s are water based. Look for water based flavors. I use Vanilla in the cemetery, it gives the cemetery a cotton candy smell, a great distraction. Anise gives a nasty odor, great for coffins. Of course you use all this at your own risk. I mix my own fog juice. I purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than 500 gallons of fog juice. Any mathematicians out there? jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 17:15:25 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:52:11 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > Man, there are alot of states here on the East coast. With the West > coast, > you've got what?. . . > California. . .? > And that's pretty much it, right? ;-) Shhh! Don't say that so loud! Alaska, Oregon and Washington already think were trying to ignor them. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 17:41:17 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:28:33 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Oliver Holler wrote: > > >At 08:16 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>I feel left out..... Are there any East Coast Halloween types out there? > >>David in Delaware > (and Greg listed) > VA > MD > NY > NJ > PA > MA > > Man, there are alot of states here on the East coast. With the West coast, > you've got what?. . . > California. . .? > And that's pretty much it, right? ;-) He He He, Youve done it now, Washington and Oregon gonna eat you up. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 18:05:41 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:53:54 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: OH NO< dont let the rain come down... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-30 16:49:15 EDT, you write: << had the same problem and I used a high-tech piece of coat hanger wire and bent it into a long teardrop shape. Covered this is plastic. Shot a screw into the frame and and mounted it near the motor. Bent the wide area over the top of the motor to act as an umbrella. It has worked very well for about seven Halloween seasons. Not fancy, but it works. -Scott >> jerrys response: I LOVE IT! thanks jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 18:05:47 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:54:44 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: 20 to 30 lbs. of compressed air > into a copper tube with 3 or 4 1/64" holes is all that you need. > jbcorn The compressed air runs the fog and odor? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 18:34:08 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:18:11 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Indigestion [banter] Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reading some of the posts and receiving from comments from people off-list, I'm convinced (at least for now) to pull my support from a digest format. One additional aspect of the digest that I failed to mention was the daily sorting of all the various mail I receive into appropriate mailboxes and files. It's been handy to simply transfer one digest message. Well, I just picked up Eudora Pro, with it's filtering and sorting and who knows what else, so the digest no longer seems like such a big deal. I'm sorry to have brought it up again but, if I don't put my foot in my mouth occasionally, who will? (did I just do it again?) Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 18:42:27 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:22:21 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-30 11:30:51 EDT, you write: << >Hi, >Love the gag. Don't know of any liquids off hand that do not conduct >electricity. You could test with a multi meter. The best way is to >remove the 110vac motor and replace it with a 12 or 24vac motor. This >would be safer no matter the liquid and because of the probability that >along the way someone would use a conducting fluid. >jbcorn > >> ---------------------- Jerry response: HEY! good thought! Maybe I will use this outside my HH. Just dose not fit in a traditional setting. My first love will always be the Mansion or Castle theme. I do use a television with a ghost head pushing the screen out. I love the effect but it was hard to find a TV that was old enough to not look out of place. My HH was (suposibly) abandoned around the 1930’s time period but I use sets from medieval and Victorian time's. (Two of the best times for spooks!) I have been racking my poor little brains for a new name. I had been using “Mayhem Mansion” but I have recently found that is being used elsewhere. (DAM!) I am thinking of “DARKWRATH KEEP” which goes with my SCA interest ( Society for Creative Anachronism: a medieval history club based world wide! ) Can anyone on the list suggest other names? I want a serious name that promises a professional production. My next choice is “Hell House” But I am worried about the religious ramifications... Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:01:12 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:56:41 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: Florida members Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Bruce Miller writes:>Any list members in Florida, other than me? My wife and I are in South Carolina. And we jump at any excuse to get a good 'Disney fix.' **************** I LOVE DISNEY.**************** Oh, and BTW everyone: Even after all this Disney talk, I just realized- The next issue of H.A. mag will Spotlight: Disneyland's, The Haunted Mansion! (It's about time. . .!) Steve Zilokowski is writing it up, and I can't wait to read it! (are there any other 'authorities', or 'enthusiasts' here that may be able to add any Mansion FYI tidbits to the article?)-As always, anyone is welcome to participate, and credit is given. . . (participate privately to me, so it doesn't clog up the list-and send Andy a-whinin' :-) unless of course it's really cool, cause everyone will want to hear it!) Grim and Grinning, (as in: Grim grinning ghosts, come out to socialiiiiiiiize.) Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:01:48 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:56:37 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (in a previous episode of "As The Mouse Squirms"): >Now, instead of chasing women, >the pirates chase food held by the women. Is that a leg of lamb she's carrying??!! Animal rights activists: Unite! Vegetarians: Come together and ban this horrid display! World hunger relief units: Denounce this careless flaunting of much-valued nourishment! Baa-ram-ewe. . .Baa-ram-ewe. . .!!! (obscure 'Babe' reference.) Does the skull now say: "Dead PERSONS OF ALL RACES, CREEDS, COLORS, GENDERS, AND SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, tell no tales. . ." ? ;) And for the humor-challenged. . . This was all written with humorous intent. It is not to be taken seriously, regardless of it's actual humor value, or lack thereof. (So no confused 'vegetarian-bashing accusation' flames!) Okee-Dokee? Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:17:53 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:54:52 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Jim Kadel Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:37 PM 4/30/97 -0500, JB wrote (much snipping) in part: >I mix my own fog juice. I >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than 500 >gallons of fog juice. Any mathematicians out there? >jbcorn Hmmm, lets see now...I've use about 1 cup of "juice" in the one & only night of my private Halloween haunt. You mean for just $1000, I could have an 8000 years supply of the stuff? What's the shelf life? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jim Kadel (jimk@rica.net)0000,0000,8080 Haunt Master Products, Inc http://members.aol.com/hmpi0000,0000,8080 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:29:13 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:15:22 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > 20 to 30 lbs. of compressed air > > into a copper tube with 3 or 4 1/64" holes is all that you need. > > jbcorn > > The compressed air runs the fog and odor? The mineral oil is atomized by the air pressure. A copper tube laid flat in a pan, the 1/64" holes (3 or 4) aimed down into the pan. The auroma is mixed with the mineral oil. YES jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:48:38 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:33:44 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Roaming Theatre Monsters (was RE: Scream...) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com SkinkSim@aol.com wrote: > > The absolute master of theatre gags and pr stunts was a guy named William > Castle, who was responsible for movies like "13 Ghosts," "House on Haunted > Hill," and "The Tingler." . Other than John > Waters, I can't think of anyone who has ever challenged his heir to this > particular throne. > Check out John Goodman in MATINEE to relive those thrilling days of yesteryear! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:54:00 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, all... My participation in the list has been spotty for the last few months, I realize. There have been a lot of things going on, and an illness in the family recently limited my time severely. Things are slowly getting back to 'normal', and I will try to pay more attention to the ghostly goings-on. A few days back, a request was made for more accurate photos of a finished FCG, and it was commented that the effect does not represent itself well on film. While this is somewhat accurate, Larry Lund's video footage of his various FCG's caught the device pretty accurately, showing the type of movement you can expect to see. It is always hard to shoot fluorescent paint accurately, and thus the blacklight aspects of the prop must be imagined (based upon personal experience with similar lighting effects.) Rather than trying to circulate tapes of this, I intend to provide some quicktime extracts on the Phantasmechanics site. In a few more days, I should have my new PowerPC A/V machine, and I'll edit captures from Larry's video into short loops you can download and play. I will also do this for the shots of Carl Chetta's Trash Can Trauma, and the Leaping Loafer. They'll have to be short, due to the limits of web-page space on my site, but they should be enough to show what the effects are. -------- I read through the debate on the automation vs. human actor thread, which began as a question on X-10/MIDI/etc. Despite what you might think, I don't really have a preference - I'm looking to be entertained and I attempt to entertain. I've participated in haunts that have had far too many actors of both kinds, and I prefer atmosphere to masses of hyperactivity. I prefer themed, story driven haunts to those which glom together clustered horror-culture references from disparate sources, but if a particular example of the latter category entertains me, I will drop my prejudice and enjoy myself. ;-) -------- I'm very gratified by the activity on the list. If anyone has directed a question at me, and I failed to answer, please forgive me. I simply haven't had time to read every thread. Incidentally, be sure to read the new material at 'phanmech' that talks about the MediaMation MIDI animatronic equipment. Even if you're not a fan of animatronic figures, the control of moving objects within a set piece of your haunt can be mightily compelling - for instance, things moving as if being handled or brushed by invisible presences... a little imagination can go a long way. Keep 'em flying, -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal site - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ orniske@aol.com * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 19:57:15 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:45:24 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Len Canders Subject: OT (was) Advertising and T-Shirts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com this is definitely OT, however the subject reminded me of a t-shirt i had seen on someone in an airport a while back --- it was black with the words "dazed and confused" printed in orange on the front, but the words were printed so that they appeared blurry and out of focus. if anyone knows where i might get one of these, i'd appreciate the info. now back to your regularly scheduled discussion. tia, len canders lcanders@ccnet.com "in the fuzz" http://www.ccnet.com/~lcanders/welcome.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 20:25:03 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:12:23 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Re: Suits of Armor Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > hand crafted suits of armor (display use >only) at "The Pottery" in (near) Williamsburg Va. Yep! Got me one of 'em! However, it was another 'Pottery' I think towards Greenville, SC. There must be more than one. They are made in Mexico, (I named mine 'Juan' !), are a little rusty, a little sharp in a place or two, but really neat-o! Prop only, but you can enhance them with real feather plumes, and a velvet cape, chains, shield, replace the tin-snipped sword with a good fake one. Put a green light inside his helmet. . . They can really look like a million! (Too bad my theme doesn't work with it. :( But our crew still decorates him, back stage!) Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 20:25:07 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:12:31 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: hauntedattr@pelican.net (Oliver Holler) Subject: Haunted Mention Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Kathy wrote: >wonder how many times one person can ride the haunted mansion ride in >one day??? A LOT, if you get lucky and the person at the 'get off' place lets you stay on! (My wife and I begged and tried to look pitiful, and got to go 'AROUND TH' BEND'!) Everyone in line was shocked to see us appear from the darkness pre-seated in our 'Doom Buggy'. I whispered to her, 'Look like we died', but we both cracked up the next second! :-) Grim and Grinning, Oliver hauntedattr@pelican.net http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 20:33:30 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:19:02 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > At 06:37 PM 4/30/97 -0500, JB wrote (much snipping) in part: > >I mix my own fog juice. I > >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than > 500 > >gallons of fog juice. Any mathematicians out there? > >jbcorn > > Hmmm, lets see now...I've use about 1 cup of "juice" in the one & only > night of my private Halloween haunt. You mean for just $1000, I could > have an 8000 years supply of the stuff? What's the shelf life? I bought a gallon of this stuff and have used it for two Halloweens plus several other time during the year, and I still have some left. What do you do with 500 gallons? You must have a realy big fog machine! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 21:02:53 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: I gotta place for my haunt! Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:38:36 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC55B7.41D84580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guess what everyone? =20 I got a place to run my haunt this year! The neighborhood association = is providing a building for my haunted house! It's got a big front yard = and a big interior. They use it during the year for office space and = they rent it out occasionally for parties and such. The best this is = that they are letting me use it for free! =20 Anyways, the ceilings are less than 8 feet high and I need to decide how = I am going to make walls in the place. I can't really bolt things down = and nail things to the walls of the building because it's not mine. = Anyone have any good ideas for easy setup/teardown and sturdy walls? =20 Also, Bob L., I'm interested in more information about your "haunted = livingroom" setup that you did a few years back. One of the rooms of = the building is a living room with fireplace and all. It would be = perfect for the "haunted living room". =20 Thanks everyone! matt ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC55B7.41D84580 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IisDAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ACgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABoYWxsb3dlZW4tbEBuZXRjb20uY29tAFNNVFAAaGFsbG93ZWVuLWxAbmV0Y29tLmNv bQAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABcAAABoYWxsb3dlZW4tbEBuZXRjb20uY29t AAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAZAAAAJ2hhbGxvd2Vlbi1sQG5ldGNvbS5jb20nAAAA AAIBCzABAAAAHAAAAFNNVFA6SEFMTE9XRUVOLUxATkVUQ09NLkNPTQADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAA AgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA0o4AQiABwAYAAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIAB ABwAAABJIGdvdHRhIHBsYWNlIGZvciBteSBoYXVudCEAewkBBYADAA4AAADNBwQAHgAWACYAJAAD AFkBASCAAwAOAAAAzQcEAB4AFgAiABgAAwBJAQEJgAEAIQAAADY1RTgzMEJDQTlDMUQwMTE4OUE1 NDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAN0GAQOQBgCwBAAAEgAAAAsAIwABAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAQAAAAMANgAA AAAAQAA5AADPpibhVbwBHgBwAAEAAAAcAAAASSBnb3R0YSBwbGFjZSBmb3IgbXkgaGF1bnQhAAIB cQABAAAAFgAAAAG8VeEmn7ww6GbBqRHQiaVERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAf DAEAAAAVAAAAbWdhcnphNEBiYXlvdS51aC5lZHUAAAAAAwAGEEzeITADAAcQwgIAAB4ACBABAAAA ZQAAAEdVRVNTV0hBVEVWRVJZT05FP0lHT1RBUExBQ0VUT1JVTk1ZSEFVTlRUSElTWUVBUlRIRU5F SUdIQk9SSE9PREFTU09DSUFUSU9OSVNQUk9WSURJTkdBQlVJTERJTkdGT1JNWUgAAAAAAgEJEAEA AAA0AwAAMAMAAMQEAABMWkZ1rjjYQP8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKD MgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMzdwLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdk78RYPMjU1AoAKgQ2xC2DgbmcxMDMUUAsK FFFlC/JjAEAgRwpQBBF3UxGABUBldgSQeQIgZRg/ICAKhQqFSSBnEm8FQGEgC1FjZSAgdG8gcnUD oG15TiARgB5QBUB0aAQAIJR5ZQrAIRwwVGgd8BEcAGlnaAbgcmhvJwRwHYAEEG9jBzB0aQ0CICAf MRNQb3ZpZOULgGcdgWJ1AxAiIwIQfwXAHoYJgB6gCGARsB+hSex0JwQgHVRiIDAjEANg7R7heQsR HYBuIMElMwuA9xPQBRAFsC4fsx6QJDEhkP0FQGQIcSJBHxAd8B9iIxPqbw3QaR3hcwqwHeEmMn8o sR6QFhAe4SgRCGArQWPuYyDgIWEHQGwekCMiCrHnIVAHkSYyc3URcCdUIoD/B5Ae9R8xHxAbcSqT CsAd8P5sEcAhUCJBB4AnxiMiA1AHCeAfoRxcQW55d2H9E7AsKKMd4AMQIjEtES+j9wQRLvEDoDgj EAngBUAfIP8gQCYjHTAcACPhHhEFgSIQzx3wIJAH4B0wYW0dQShz+x4gAMBrHfAysCwwLqEDoJ8o sh2zJ1EdMCvAbicFQN8WECwjBuEe8zOiZDbgA6D/JjIsEAMROtUeESiyOEQpgL8ooyKXLiArwCfU JLFuHWH+bQuAOVIygRvxHqEbsCYh/x6QHVAgsTaRIOAjE0FRHpDxEbF1cC8T0AsRO1YTwF0IcGQe kDhDHC9BOHBvgTLwQm9iIEwuMvD8SSc3QCbTLjEj4TihBGD/L6ELgCMhAMAhUwGgK2Ib4PkIcCAi I5YzgCIAGRADYP0DcCJCFC7kSJEoMCIQHYGvNOAH4B9iBCBiANBrJ1H+T0AhPWVJ0j1PIZIdkEl0 /00zG0AoEDVgKaAWEB20JjP3LDA5YgVAdwhgIsAuER2gewSQNOBjMNQoskjtTTMibydRHFwf0ABw awQgG6Yh+wqFR8F0Gc0h0RPQUlEKhQUVMQBZMAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwIHZJkOBVvAFA AAgwIHZJkOBVvAEeAD0AAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAu1A= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC55B7.41D84580-- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 21:11:06 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:26:24 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Suits of Armor Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >... you can enhance them with real feather >plumes, and a velvet cape, chains, shield, replace the tin-snipped sword >with a good fake one. Put a green light inside his helmet. . . Hey Oliver, you been peekin' in my windows or something? :) They do look nice once you add a "personal" touch to them..I wanted to put a skull and bones (where they can be see through the armor) and give it a little "battle scar" or two...Maybe if I get another....Hummm, Remember Excalibur? :) John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 21:53:52 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:54:24 -0700 Subject: Dead Can Dance To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (bit from Evil Erik about Dead Can Dance music at Knotts) thanks. I knew they used Host of Seraphim from the same group for Dominion of the Dead. I always enjoy the music used. Also, can you ask him what the heck happened to the Hanging last year? It stunk compared to 95. Sure, the clever remake of the "who's on first?" routine was fun, but the rest of it was practically a TV show. Whatever happened to the sharp and rude satire, such as Pocahontas proclaiming: "I don't hear you commenting on the fact that for a 13 year old, I'm drawn with hooters the size of missiles!" Whatever happened to such wit? :( Harry "Poking the Hontas!" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 21:54:05 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:50:24 -0700 Subject: Re: photos in haunt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Kathy's offer to test our photo machine snipped for clarity) Thanks but I'm a rather small grunt in the company. It is a full sized arcade unit, about the size of an arcade game, a tiny bit smaller cabinet. Our company makes arcade games and 2 home systems to compete with the biggies. Too bad our market share is less than 1% in home, but much bigger in arcades, ranging from 10% arcade in the US to 85% total market penetration in the Netherlands or Germany :) Harry "the future is NOW" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 21:57:19 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:47:56 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jim Kadel wrote: > > At 06:37 PM 4/30/97 -0500, JB wrote (much snipping) in part: > >I mix my own fog juice. I > >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than Cryonics could be considered, think of the eons you could scare little ones. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 21:57:45 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:51:54 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com By changing the > frequency from scene to scene I add another element to Pace and > distraction. I paint part of my visual image with sound. They sound > must not distract from the scene, but add aural color to it. > Sound frequencies below our general range of hearing 20cps or less and > those above 20,000cps can be used to evoke many emotions. 20,000cps and > up sound is frequently used by crystal ball readers and such. It comes > on at the moment of spiritual contact. The sound cannot be heard, but > it can be perceived. Can you give me some more info on this. How do you change the frequency of your sound? How does it afffect people? What type of sounds do you use? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:00:44 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:54:20 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > FCG, and it was commented that the effect does not represent itself well on film. While this is somewhat accurate, Larry Lund's video footage Hi, JB Corn here, I'm new to the list. But I would like to use any video you have for a Video Newsletter I plan on distributing. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:13:15 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:58:44 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com matthew garza wrote: > Anyways, the ceilings are less than 8 feet high and I need to decide how I am going to make walls in the place. I can't really bolt things down and nail things to the walls of the building because it's not mine. Hello, Don't know enough to help much, need more data. But, cut wafer board sheets into 4x4 squares and use 2x2/4 legs, cover the bottom half with fabric, use hinges to tie panels together at 60 degree anglers to build your maze. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:23:40 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:20:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Florida members To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Oliver's blurb about the Haunted Mansion in his next issue which I can't wai tto see!) Oliver, check out Don Bertino's website for a picture I drew up of the inside layout of the haunted mansion at Disneyland. You got the Ok from me to use it, ask Don about downloading it from his site.... Harry Traver (Tony G) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:24:08 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:50:29 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > you do with 500 gallons? You must have a realy big fog machine! We bought it in 1993, we run about 100 gallons per season, the money saved in one season, paid for more. We use two to three fog machines, run 3 plus gallons per night. Customers can see fog on a still night for blocks, jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:27:38 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:14:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com jb, the story is real. They used an actor in the suit for a while. This was a different suit from the one against the wall. It got discontinued real fast after someone did a heart attack number. I saw him during his heydey. He could only work 1/2 hour in there 'cause the suit was so hot and he had a cord and button to stop the ride if needed... Harry ops: check out Don Bertino's website to see my drawing of the inside ride layout..... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:53:20 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:40:06 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > By changing the > > frequency from scene to scene I add another element to Pace and > Can you give me some more info on this. How do you change the frequency of your sound? How does it afffect people? What type of sounds do you use? Thanx Derek, ask a simple question. I give a four hour seminar on sound and could write 50-75 pages on the use. The article is to stimulate your mind. But, a little bit more. Think about the sound in an action movie, a scary movie or a drama. In the last few years, thanx to George Lucas(THX), sound systems have improved dramatically. What would an earthquake or volcano be like with out deep base/sub woofers.? The original movie Earthquake played in selected theatres with a special sound system. The floor, walls, seats shook with the base. In a haunt house sound would be produced with the full range of frequencies. By selecting the speaker type you would be selectin the frequencies the customer would hear, a base speaker would accent the base in the music. A mid range would cover most of the music and a tweeter would catch the highs. Think of a red illuminated scenbe in base, a blue illuminated scene in tweeter and midrange in amber. It is of course more complicated, but do not limit your creativity. The key is to experiment. Bigger is not always better, a more powerfull sound system is not the answer, proper placement of sound is. The speakers I purchase are 10-12 dollars each, the grill is $3, the 70 volt transformer about $4 and the speaker box is plywood, book one has design. Sound tracks in a scene can be more specific. Split stereo track can bounce the music from speaker to speaker, one track could have highs, the other lows, customers walking between would feel the difference, or place the speakers in front and behind for another effect. Like walking from base into treble. The combinations and effecs are endless. I could go on for ever, but the e-mails suffer from my polish of articles and the power of Word to correct my spelling and grammar. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 22:56:26 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:41:48 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (Kathy's offer to test our photo machine snipped for clarity) > much bigger in arcades, ranging from 10% arcade in the US to 85% total > market penetration in the Netherlands or Germany :) Mr arcade, Have you played with the fright control unit concept and your toys, I'ld like to see what you come up with. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 23:38:49 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 01:33:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB, You wrote: >I would like to use any video you have for a Video Newsletter I plan on distributing. The footage I have on the FCG is courtesy of Larry Lund (llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us) and if you wish to use it, it would be wise to ask him directly, care of that address. He has given me permission to use the images in Phantasmechaincs. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal site - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ orniske@aol.com * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Wed Apr 30 23:56:50 1997