From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 01:43:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >those above 20,000cps can be used to evoke many emotions. 20,000cps and >up sound is frequently used by crystal ball readers and such. It comes >on at the moment of spiritual contact. The sound cannot be heard, but >it can be perceived. Technically speaking, those of us who live past age 30 cannot usually hear anything beyond 18,000 cycles per second (HZ). Whether or not the skin can sense this is still a matter for objective science to prove. My thinking is that we can still hear 15KHZ audio, and that's enough to simulate the same effect. Don't believe me? Get a calibrated oscillator and try it yourself! Incidentally, the frequency of FM radio cuts off at about 15 KHz, and is still regarded as Hi-Fi, even in the digital age. What you can perceive is a matter for your own science to determine. ;-) Your mileage may vary. Use at your own risk. May be habit-forming. Oh, and whatever works, use it. -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal site - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ orniske@aol.com * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 00:13:22 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:36:06 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > The mineral oil is atomized by the air pressure. A copper tube laid > flat in a pan, the 1/64" holes (3 or 4) aimed down into the pan. The > auroma is mixed with the mineral oil. YES > jbcorn I don't have a very mechanical mind, but I try to. :~> -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 00:46:20 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:15:34 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > My mineral oil based fog machines work great at providing a light mist > for lights and a fantastic odor source. 20 to 30 lbs. of compressed air > into a copper tube with 3 or 4 1/64" holes is all that you need. I don't understand the mineral oil and compressed air. Do you put the oil in the tube and then blast air into it? Is mineral oil safe to breath? Can you please give me more info on this? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 05:28:39 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 04:11:01 -0700 From: Greenrey To: gsraptor@arkansas.net Subject: Die Barney, Die!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, Thanks for waiting patiently for the Barney massacre .wav file. It may be accessed from my school page at: http://www3.miracosta.cc.ca.us/awynnhi/ This is a passworded page for the Halloween-l people - the password is "purple" without the quotes, case-sensitive. Nothing else there right now, other than Barney's demise. Best Wishes, Kevan -- Vote for my next sigfile! 1) "Make it foolproof, and someone will make a better fool." -or- 2) "Apples aren't computers. Apples grow on trees and bugs eat them." -or- 3) "The only thing new in this world is the history you don't know." --Harry Truman Direct Votes To greenrey@worldnet.att.net From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 06:55:41 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-01 08:48:18 EDT, you write: << > >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than Cryonics could be considered, think of the eons you could scare little ones. jbcorn >> Hi jbcorn I can purchase chemivals in "small" bulk... What are the chemicals you use? I would like to try this myself. Thanks jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 07:01:25 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-01 09:02:58 EDT, you write: << > Anyways, the ceilings are less than 8 feet high and I need to decide how I am going to make walls in the place. I can't really bolt things down and nail things to the walls of the building because it's not mine. Hello, Don't know enough to help much, need more data. But, cut wafer board sheets into 4x4 squares and use 2x2/4 legs, cover the bottom half with fabric, use hinges to tie panels together at 60 degree anglers to build your maze. jbcorn >> Jerry's rssponse: I use drywall (fire mar inspectors love it) and steel studs. less expensive too! At least were I get it. I have a free standing system ithat will make normal 90 degree rooms....f you would like more detail contact me off list for a drawing in gif or dxf format. jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 07:03:14 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 06:59:49 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug, glad to see you are back with us. Sorry to hear there was a family illness!! HOpe all is well now. My comment about the FCG was that I would like a still photo of one done, it does not have to be under black light, or moving, I just want to see a print photo of one done!! So I can get a look at what they finish looking like!! So do you have a still photo of the finished FCG in light that I can see. thanks for your help Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 07:03:20 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 06:49:54 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > And for the humor-challenged. . . This was all written with humorous > intent. It is not to be taken seriously, regardless of it's actual humor > value, or lack thereof. > (So no confused 'vegetarian-bashing accusation' flames!) > Okee-Dokee? > > Grim and Grinning, > Oliver Oliver, I think it is great!! You have a wonderful sense of humor!! Hey they keep forgetting us height impaired persons...I have a hard time getting in the boats...maybe I should complain and they will raise the water level so the boats are closer to my ass!! I, like you, am waiting with baited breath for who is going to gripe next!! Walt would be rolling in his grave!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt waiting to get in line for the haunted mansion!!!! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 07:05:40 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 06:55:44 -0700 Subject: Re: photos in haunt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (jbcorn asking about the FCU) not yet, our cameras at work go out super fast to field units so I don't even have a bench camera. They work nicely with 12 volts, so definitely on the shopping bvlock. The one thing I would think about doing is using a small minicomputer and program to use input from several cameras, like 4 of them. you switch back and forth and then select which effect to trigger. little easier for me to build a computer card and program the functions instead of building a dedicated circuit for the switching (bad habit, I guess). If you ever want to stock a haunted arcade, here are some games to look for. if I put a star next to them, that means I have one :) Haunted House pinball by Gottlied * (the definitive, of course!) Chiller by Exidy * (the world;'s grossest game, it makes mortal kombat look like Bambi) Eeeeeeek! by Magic Electronics Ghosts & Goblins by Capcom/Romstar * Ghouls & Ghosts (the sequel) Bogey Manor by Magic Electronics Spirit pinball by Stern Flight 2000 pinball by Stern (spooky backglass if you are into aliens or cryogenics) Elvira and the Party Monsters pinball by Bally Scared Stiff pinball by Bally Nightmare on Elm Street pinball by Gottlieb Class of 1812 pinball by Gottlieb Bonebusters pinball by Gottlieb Beast Busters by SNK GhostLop by SNK (if only this would ever release, waaaaahhh) Witch Hunt by Atari (old black and white gun game, still fun) Zombie Raid by American Sammy Ghost Town by Bromley That should be enough games to get your boat floating in the arcade direction. couple of them are rather hard to find. Harry "the haunted arcade dude" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 07:34:27 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 07:24:33 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Harry, thanks to Don I now know that I was not losing my mind. I told people about that and they said there was no human in the haunted mansion. When Don told me there was I was a happy person!! I was one of the people that was honored with being terrified by that suit of armour!!! It was great!! Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 08:00:28 1997 From: DWFWW@jazz.ucc.uno.edu Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:48:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy, Believe it or not, I never took the trouble to photograph the FCG's I built. Two reasons - at the time - were: it photographs poorly under blacklight, and looks rather uninteresting in daylight. I have some photos from Larry Lund, which I will 'dig up' and scan within the next day or so. Perhaps Larry already has one on his page... Larry? :-) -Doug *********************************************************************** * Safety, Courtesy, Show and Efficiency: * Doug Ferguson * * The Keys To The Kingdom * dwfww@jazz.ucc.uno.edu * * Phantasmechanics website - http://members.aol.com/phanmech/ * * Personal site - http://members.aol.com/orniske/ orniske@aol.com * *********************************************************************** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 08:22:48 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:17:59 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > > > (Kathy's offer to test our photo machine snipped for clarity) > > > much bigger in arcades, ranging from 10% arcade in the US to 85% total > > market penetration in the Netherlands or Germany :) > Mr arcade, > Have you played with the fright control unit concept and your toys, I'ld > like to see what you come up with. > jbcorn Perhaps a little in-depth on the Fright Control Unit? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 08:38:51 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:18:04 -0700 From: rothe@edsug.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) Subject: Re: [BANTER] Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com *>(in a previous episode of "As The Mouse Squirms"): *>>Now, instead of chasing women, *>>the pirates chase food held by the women. *> *>Is that a leg of lamb she's carrying??!! *> My favorite comment was the person who noted that while they took out the chasing, they kept in the auction scene, and remarked: "Buying wenches is PC, its just chasing them that's bad!" I'm still considering that line for a future .signature. (I know its off topic, but I put the "BANTER" word in the subject!) -bill. -- "You see, it's like I've always said: 'You can get more with a kind word and a two-by-four than you can with just a kind word'. - Marcus Cole ----------------------------------------------------------------- rothe@ug.eds.com ** Opinions stated here are not those of EDS ** From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 08:40:58 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:28:40 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > > Doug, > glad to see you are back with us. Sorry to hear there was a family > illness!! HOpe all is well now. > My comment about the FCG was that I would like a still photo of one > done, it does not have to be under black light, or moving, I just want > to see a print photo of one done!! So I can get a look at what they > finish looking like!! So do you have a still photo of the finished FCG > in light that I can see. > thanks for your help > Kathy > the new kid on the crypt > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com Kathy, if you're coming down this way in a day or so anyway, why not stop by my house on the way to Disney and see the finished product with your own eyes? I have mine completed and will be video taping it on Friday night (tommorrow night) for JB's video. I can send you my phone number and directions if you're interested. I'd be happy to show it to you. Not to mention the finished Trash Can Trauma that got the blood and makeup treatment just night before last. It was a very time-consuming project with lights and sound but 100% worth it! In fact I don't mind if others stop by for the filming also. E me if interested. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 09:01:49 1997 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:41:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Lund To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Doug and Kathy and all; I have some pic's of the FCG on my home page. http://members.aol.com/llund179/hallween.htm One shows the Friendly ghost and another is taken off a video tape shot through my garage door window of the not so friendly ghost. There is also a link to the archives of Doug's rendering of the ghost. Doug did a fantastic job on this. Larry Home Page-----------http://members.aol.com/llund179 _ ___c Lawrence H. Lund llund@suffolk.lib.ny.us \ _| \_ 179 Studley Street llund179@aol.com __\_| oooo \_____ Brentwood, NY 11717 Voice: (516)-231-8790 ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fax: (516)-434-9315 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 10:40:48 1997 Date: Thu, 1 May 97 10:32:35 PDT From: oliver@nemesis.saic.com (Thomas W Oliver) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > > > > > My kind of man!! Take charge and get control!! Now about my pair of > > Nike's!! > > Kathy > > the new kid on the crypt > > mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com > Nyet, I do have a purple shroud, he he he, ohhh bad taste, maybe a scene > with corpses in bunk beds with purple shrouds and 2001 playing in the > background, anyone of the corpses could ask customers passing between > the bunks tro join or else... We figure the new halloween costume rage for this year in San Diego will be the 'purple shroud & black nikes'. I'm going to stock up on individual pudding & apple sauce servings. These are going to be the 'treats' for those costumes instead of candy. THomas sick joke follows............... don't read if you're easily offended... Do you know why the 40th member did not commit suicide with the rest? He didn't have the balls.... B-) From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 11:44:32 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:32:36 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: BANTER - Getting in the Boats ... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Kathy Marcrum wrote: > Hey they keep forgetting us height impaired persons...I have a hard > time getting in the boats...maybe I should complain and they will > raise the water level so the boats are closer to my a**!! Reminds me of my Alaska Cruise. Flew all day to get to Anchorage. Rode a bus for several hours to get to the train. Rode the train (in the bus on a flat bed car) for another hour plus. Got to a dock in Whittier, in the rain, with the tide in, and a gang plank to board the ship that had to be at a 50 degree angle. They'ld send us up one at a time, and watch to see if we slipped. Then, if there was trouble, two crew members would run up the behind you, grab you under the arms, lift you up in the air, and propell you to the top. I over heard a woman in front of me make this statement to her elderly female companions (add your best Fran Dresher Accent): "Jeez, Ya think they could lower the boat in the water so we could get on easier!. I called the trip ... "The Voyage of the New Jersey Jewish Widows" From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 11:55:22 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:40:30 -0700 From: david c schwend To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Suits of Armor Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com John P. Jeffries wrote: > One of the 'el coolio items were hand crafted suits of armor (display > use only) that could be ordered 4' 7' and even up to 20' ! > > I bought two 7' (they consider the top of the plumes the "top") suits > and they have found numerous places to guard about the house and the > attraction. Each piece was less than $200.00 and they even shipped > them half way across the US for me. Halloween Club (Carmenita Exit off the 5 freeway in Norwalk, CA.) imported a number of those last season. The 7 footers were priced at $300+. They had both silver and gold knights. They also had some 4 footers at around $200. There are some shops in Tijuana that sell them ... be prepaired to negotiate for several hours. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 12:23:40 1997 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Arrrr indeed. This truly has to be one of the stupidest examples of bowing to the demands of a vocal minority... The original "Pirates" was at least somewhat organized as a bit of history, with some basis in truth. Now, we have a watered-down, bowdlerized attempt to please the unpleasable. I hate to see how it turns out... One thing I *haven't* heard about: If the pirates chasing the women is so damned offensive, what about the bride auction? Hell, what about the stereotyped Spanish innkeeper? Are we gonna lose that scene, too? Are the bunny-huggers going to raise a stink about the prisoners trying to lure the doggie with the keys into the noose? Of course, we'll probably *never* hear a complaint about the woman chasing the pirate, will we? Dave > I, like you, am waiting with baited breath for who is going to gripe > next!! > Walt would be rolling in his grave!! > Kathy From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 13:01:22 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: I gotta place for my haunt! Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:24:04 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5622.348F13C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: JB Corn[SMTP:jbcorn@altinet.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:58 PM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! matthew garza wrote: > Anyways, the ceilings are less than 8 feet high and I need to decide = how I am going to make walls in the place. I can't really bolt things = down and nail things to the walls of the building because it's not mine. = Hello, Don't know enough to help much, need more data. But, cut wafer board sheets into 4x4 squares and use 2x2/4 legs, cover the bottom half with fabric, use hinges to tie panels together at 60 degree anglers to build your maze. jbcorn Well, I read your book and it poses a few questions. My setup is = different from yours in that I already have the building with roof and = sprinkler system already set up. So all I need are the actual walls in = the facility. Now, I have some wall units made like your book says. = The only problem is that if I joint them together using the 60 degree = metal plates and then a 2X4 across the top, what supports it on the = bottom? If someone slams into the wall, the bottom will slide out. 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Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Of course, we'll probably *never* hear a complaint about the woman > chasing the pirate, will we? > > Dave Are you kidding? The Overwieght Prudish Lesbian Ladies of Leningrad have already proposed an all-out world-wide boycott of the 'Pirates due to this terrible abomination of stereotypical "fat lady" injustice. "Fight Fight Fight! We shall surely conquer if we never lay down our arms!" burp -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 13:18:53 1997 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Florida members Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Oliver Holler wrote: > **************** I LOVE DISNEY.**************** Really?... :) > Oh, and BTW everyone: Even after all this Disney talk, I just realized- > The next issue of H.A. mag will Spotlight: Disneyland's, The Haunted > Mansion! (It's about time. . .!) Steve Zilokowski is writing it up, and I > can't wait to read it! (are there any other 'authorities', or 'enthusiasts' > here that may be able to add any Mansion FYI tidbits to the article?)-As > always, anyone is welcome to participate, and credit is given. . . > (participate privately to me, so it doesn't clog up the list-and send Andy > a-whinin' :-) unless of course it's really cool, cause everyone will want > to hear it!) Steve's a good guy. I await it with baited breath... BTW, (I sent the Haunted Mansion FAQ to Oliver) everyone else can grab a copy at my Disney web site: http://www.calweb.com/~bertino/disney.html don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 13:21:47 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:11:12 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Bell wrote: watered-down, bowdlerized bowdlerized? I not speaka dis much inglish. Wat mene? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 14:15:43 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:03:36 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Great Magazines that Deal With Sound Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com S&VC (Sound and Video Contractor) P.O. Box 12958 Overland Park, Kansas 66282-2958 Free to Qualified Individuals http://www.intertec.com/svc.htm Sound and Communications Testa Communications 25 Willowdale Avenue Port Washington, NY, 11050-3779 Free to Qualified Individuals/$25 per year non-qualified Pro Sound News P.O. Box 0513 Baldwin, NY 11510-0513 Free to Qualified Individuals/$30 per year non-qualified I've seen articles on theme park attractions and other related topics in all these magazines. Good sources for learning about audio and sound reinforcement. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 14:36:31 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:23:45 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > > Of course, we'll probably *never* hear a complaint about the woman > > chasing the pirate, will we? > > > > Dave > > Are you kidding? The Overwieght Prudish Lesbian Ladies of Leningrad have > already proposed an all-out world-wide boycott of the 'Pirates due to > this terrible abomination of stereotypical "fat lady" injustice. > > "Fight Fight Fight! We shall surely conquer if we never lay down our > arms!" > > burp > > -- > Wil As a charter member of NAAFA, National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, I hearby move Wil to the top of our hit list. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 15:23:51 1997 From: The Youngs To: "halloween-l@netcom.com" , "'Bob Andrews'" Subject: RE: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 18:18:57 -0400 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I second the nomination :) Jacqui As a charter member of NAAFA, National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, I hearby move Wil to the top of our hit list. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 15:25:58 1997 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Sorry about that! I grabbed a quote from a page by Morton Freeman: "Do you approve of censoring the works of great writers? Some might contend that to bowdlerize a great writer's work would be to diminish its overall quality. Others, like Thomas Bowdler, whose eraser danced over every Shakespeare play, would argue that all modest people should be able to read a great work without blushing. For attacking the classics, Mr. Bowdler has been immortalized as the world's best-known, self-appointed literary censor." On Thu, 1 May 1997, Wil wrote: > Dave Bell wrote: > watered-down, bowdlerized > > bowdlerized? I not speaka dis much inglish. Wat mene? > -- > Wil > X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X > Rest in Peace > Death Lord > '97 Topic Archives- > http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm > X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 15:27:49 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:19:52 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com matthew garza wrote: > > Anyways, the ceilings are less than 8 feet high and I need to decide Hello, > Don't know enough to help much, need more data. But, cut wafer board > jbcorn what supports it on the bottom? If someone slams into the wall, the bottom will slide out. Hi Matt, Yes and No, Depending upon your maze set-up. If you can e-mail or fax me a copy of your floor plan I can work it out. If the tops of the walls are secured then the bottoms will not move far. You do not have to use lumber to secure the tops. Set a 1 1/4" screw into top at the ends of the walls, with a strong cord tie the ends of all the wall units together, this will anchor the tops of the walls. When the walls get pushed out, walk thru the haunt every so often and kick them back in place, its what I use to do till I added a floor I could attach them too with 90 degree plates. With a floor plan I can tell you problem areas and where extra support maybe needed. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 16:20:19 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:59:56 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Undertaker Ale. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com While searching the internet for "horse-drawn hearses", I came across a review for a beer called "Undertaker Ale". I don't drink, so I couldn't say if it's any good or not, but it's got a cool picture of a horse drawn hearse on the label. It turns out that it's brewed and bottled in Tracy California, my town! Who'd of thought? Here's the review... http://realbeer.com/celebrator/9610/Perfecto-HotchkissBC1096.html -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 16:32:41 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:51:27 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Michael Marcrum wrote: > My comment about the FCG was that I would like a still photo of one > done, > Kathy Hi, Slip into your local arcade, prototypes are there. It is a way for your customers waiting in line to scare customers in your haunt. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 16:32:50 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:54:41 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Perhaps a little in-depth on the Fright Control Unit? Hi Wil, The Fright Control Unit is a way for your customers waiting in line to scare customers in your haunt. It is simple yet complex due to variations. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 17:54:19 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:43:35 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > > Perhaps a little in-depth on the Fright Control Unit? > Hi Wil, > The Fright Control Unit is a way for your customers waiting in line to > scare customers in your haunt. It is simple yet complex due to > variations. jbcorn So they actually become unwitting participants in the scare on the other side of a wall--behind a two-way mirror or . . .? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 18:08:57 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 18:03:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Florida members To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Don Bertino cracked the whip and said: Steve's a good guy. I await it with baited breath... Baited breath? Why not go for the whole fish instead of cut bait? Harry "ants in your pants" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 18:45:02 1997 From: mramius@dreamsys.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 18:39:18 -0700 Subject: Alrightcha, you guys... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, everyone. I am new to the list, obviously, but have been reading it over the shoulder of my friend for awhile now. Being a student of magic I am, of course, of the mind that magical stage effects and smoke and mirrors, if used in the proper setting, can blow away patrons at a haunted attraction. There is room for this kind of thing, and hopefully I'll be able to bring some of this to the list. I'll be talking to you guys. :) Marko [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 19:43:32 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:36:54 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Mineral oil fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Someone had mentioned making fog with mineral oil and compressed air. I posted some questions, but never saw it, maybe it got lost. Enough about that, now for the questions, I understand that you use a copper tube with 1/64" holes in it, but where do you put the oil? How much air does it take, I have a 5hp air compressor, will that work? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 19:44:03 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:38:34 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Alrightcha, you guys... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com mramius@dreamsys.com wrote: > > Hello, everyone. I am new to the list, that magical stage > effects and smoke and mirrors,can blow away patrons at a haunted attraction. And welcome Marko, We use basic effects now, transformation, ghosts and the head without a body, etc always interested in more illusions. I am building an outdoor illusion where we look like we are burning a witch at the stake. Live person walks up to stake, is tied up, burned and the arms of her skeleton are flailing into death. He He He jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 19:44:13 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:34:50 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > > > > Perhaps a little in-depth on the Fright Control Unit? > > Hi Wil, > > The Fright Control Unit is a way for your customers waiting in line > So they actually become unwitting participants in the scare on the Hi Wil, No, It is like an arcade machine, controlling an effect in your haunt, the customer at the machine pays a fee and waits for some one to scare. All the customer at the arcade style machine sees is the customers reaction in the haunt to the scare. As I said it is simple yet complex. The details are in book three. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 19:59:14 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:57:15 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Alrightcha, you guys... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com mramius@dreamsys.com wrote: > effects and smoke and mirrors, if used in the proper setting, can blow > away patrons at a haunted attraction. There is room for this kind of > thing, and hopefully I'll be able to bring some of this to the list. > > Marko Marko. A very good friend of mine went by Marko years ago. Welcome new kid. Spit it all out. We have quotas here for your sharing that earn listening privileges. May your stay with us be eternal. Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord '97 Topic Archives; http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 21:08:17 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:04:57 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > As a charter member of NAAFA, National Association to Advance Fat > Acceptance, I hearby move Wil to the top of our hit list. > > -- > Bob Andrews Bob and Wil, As a lifetime member I would cast my vote for Wil!! I would not joke about it...or someone will gripe and it will be gone!!! Hey I have one question why can't we all gripe about taxes and get them to stop them??? Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 21:17:20 1997 From: SkinkSim@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:56:56 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Virus Alert Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >On viruses, just got this hot over the wire: > >If you receive an e-mail with a subject of "Badtimes," delete it immediately >WITHOUT reading it. This is the most dangerous Email virus yet. It will >re-write your hard drive. Not only that, but it will scramble any disks that >are even close to your computer. It will re calibrate your refrigerator's >coolness setting so all your ice cream goes melty. It will demagnetize the >strips on all your credit cards, screw up the tracking on your VCR and use >subspace field harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play. > >It will give your ex-boyfriend/girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix >Kool-aid into your fish tank. It will drink all your beer and leave its socks >out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will put a dead >kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide your car keys when >you are late for work. > >Badtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you >nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and >shave off both your eyebrows while dating your current boyfriend/girlfriend >behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Visa card. > >It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead, such is >the power of Badtimes, it reaches out beyond the grave to sully those things >we hold most dear. > >It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will >kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's voice mail >in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to >behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve. > >Badtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat up. >It will make a batch of Methamphetamine in your bathtub and then leave bacon >cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase gradeschoolers with your new >snowblower. > >These are just a few signs... Just be very careful! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 21:18:11 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:42:19 -0700 From: Michael Marcrum To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Crank Ghosts in motion Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Larry, thanks for the great pictures!! That is what I was looking for! I can see what people are talking about now!! I am one of those that need to see things in 3D! I like the graveyard...I think I need to make somemore stones. Kathy the new kid on the crypt mmarcrum@ix.netcom.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 22:25:31 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 00:13:29 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: mineral-oil foggers Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just a warning - mineral-oil based foggers are banned in some areas (I know a Q-zar that had to pull them out), and I believe they're on the banned-but-not-enforced list by the EPA, putting them in the same gray area as ammonia-based blueline copiers. Prolonged exposure can cause oil-pneumonia (or whatever the proper medical term is). Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 22:25:31 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 00:13:52 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:22 PM 4/30/97 -0400, Spookyfx@aol.com wrote >I am thinking of “DARKWRATH KEEP” Well, *I* like it! >My next choice is “Hell House” >But I am worried about the religious ramifications... This this part of the country, a 'hell house' is one operated specifically to 'scare' people with real-life photos of abortions, drug overdose deaths, etc.; images of death and mass destruction for everyone not caught up in the rapture; and then 'saving' the patrons by affirming Jesus Christ as their savior. Some 'hell houses' will physically restrain you from leaving until you so affirm (I've been in one of those). I find 'em very offensive, and they give both haunted houses and Christianity a black eye. You may be giving entirely the wrong impression if you use 'Hell House' as a name. Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 22:35:32 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:24:03 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Death Lord wrote: > > > The mineral oil is atomized by the air pressure. A copper tube laid > > flat in a pan, the 1/64" holes (3 or 4) aimed down into the pan. The > > auroma is mixed with the mineral oil. YES > > jbcorn > > I don't have a very mechanical mind, but I try to. :~> I may make it sound easy, but I learned thru trial an error, and error, and error, now I pass what little I know onto you. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 22:41:48 1997 From: David251@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:35:32 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Washington and Oregon? Aren't they somewhere in Northern California? David in Delaware Joining in the Evil Oliver's Banter From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 22:59:26 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:36:32 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > << > >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than 500 gallons > Hi jbcorn > I can purchase chemivals in "small" bulk... > What are the chemicals you use? I would like to try this myself. Thanks jerry Hi Jerry, Propolene glycol and glycerin(i'm lost without spell check) 40% Prop and 60% gly, although I mix it 50/50 for the base chemical. Then I add 4 gallons of water to one gallon of mix. For a lighter effect I add more water, for a heavier fog I use less water. WARNING. Making your own fog juice is hazerdous to your fog machine. If you are not a large volume user, stick to off the shelf products. After 100 gallons I usually have to replace the heat exchanger. Roscoe units heat exchangers cost about $200. I do the repair myself. Aluminum heat exchangers suck. Steel(Roscoe) rules. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:11:36 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween'" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:05:22 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Matt wrote: >Also, Bob L., I'm interested in more information about your "haunted >livingroom" setup that you did a few years back. One of the rooms of the Matt, As soon as I get a chance to catch my breath (with work), I'll send you a detailed description of what we did via direct e-mail. Your room sounds great! We used a fake fireplace in ours... Our layout may fit your room exactly. Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:12:52 1997 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:56:52 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 5/1/97 12:56 PM Dave wrote in part: >Arrrr indeed. This truly has to be one of the stupidest examples of >bowing to the demands of a vocal minority... (snip) >Of course, we'll probably *never* hear a complaint about the woman >chasing the pirate, will we? I must say I agree whole heartedly. What they should have done was made their planned changes without acknowledging that they were giving in to anyone. Unfortunately its a done deal now. I have been on Pirates at least 6 times since it reopened in March ( aren't annual passes great?) and IMHO the changes, while obvious, do not detract from the ride's enjoyment. In fact the additions out number the deletions by roughly three to one (not counting food items). The pirates now move a little smoother to boot. Well that's my 3.5 cents worth... Steve P.S. The woman chasing the pirate now carries a rolling pin!! From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:15:45 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween'" Subject: Impromptu So Cal get-together Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:08:13 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey all, Kathy and I have arranged a meeting for this Saturday night, 7:00pm at the Disneyland hotel. Anyone available for joining us that night can send me direct e-mail for further details. Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:28:28 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:45:05 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Anyways, the ceilings are less than 8 feet high and I need to decide how I am going to make walls in the place. I can't really bolt things > Don't know enough to help much, need more data. But, cut wafer board > sheets into 4x4 squares and use 2x2/4 legs, cover the bottom half with fabric, use hinges to tie panels together at 60 degree angles > jbcorn > Jerry's rssponse: > > I use drywall (fire mar inspectors love it) and steel studs. less expensive too! Hi, Hmm, steel studs are great, if the ceiling is less than 8' they will have to be cut, 2x4s come in a 92 5/8" size that might fit. Depending on your crowd drywall may not hold up. If you use drywall place metal studs 12" on center and use 5/8" drywall. If your crowd is not rough then use metal studs 24" on center and 1/2" drywall. My haunt would never surrvive with drywall, they go through plywood, some of our scares are rather intense. this last year, first time ever, a group of four went thru the floor, honest. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:37:30 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 23:34:51 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 09:22 PM 4/30/97 -0400, Spookyfx@aol.com wrote >I am thinking of “DARKWRATH KEEP” How about Bad Moon Rising? Of course, I think your name is better than this. -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:38:02 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:27:14 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > > My mineral oil based fog machines work great at providing a light mist > > for lights and a fantastic odor source. 20 to 30 lbs. of compressed air > > into a copper tube with 3 or 4 1/64" holes is all that you need. > > I don't understand the mineral oil and compressed air. Do you put the > oil in the tube and then blast air into it? Is mineral oil safe to > breath? > Can you please give me more info on this? > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Derek Schwab > > silverball@geocities.com > > http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Hi, Use food grade mineral oil, and flavors. The 20-30lbs of air atomizes the mineral oil and creates a light mist. Best used to fill small enclosed spaces, like a coffin. Crack the coffin lid about a 1/4" add a colored light and the colored fog pours out of the coffin after about 15 mins. It is safe to breath, do not use to excess as mineral oil will build up in carpet and furniture, best to use in garage or outside. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:40:40 1997 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 23:38:24 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I may make it sound easy, but I learned thru trial an error, and error, > and error, now I pass what little I know onto you. > jbcorn Geeze. I've been to your site and perused your knowlege and resume. I wish I were 16 so I could go to your summer camp. I'm serious. I am not flattering, just observing fact. Move to the West Coast and teach us in person. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Thu May 1 23:41:10 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: I gotta place for my haunt! Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:27:23 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5622.FE42D1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Spookyfx@aol.com[SMTP:Spookyfx@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 4:44 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! In a message dated 97-05-01 09:02:58 EDT, you write: <<=20 Jerry's rssponse: I use drywall (fire mar inspectors love it) and steel studs. less = expensive too! At least were I get it. I have a free standing system ithat will make normal 90 degree rooms....f you would like more detail contact me off list for a drawing in gif or dxf format. jerry Sounds good. Can I get some more information about it from you? Do you = make wall units (two pieces of drywall connected with a 2X4 frame) or do = you use them freestanding? How do you support the walls on the top and = bottom? 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I >thought the effect was great at the show as I thought it was a high >priced animation and now that >I received the props, I feel I can really endorse this prop. For 50 >dollars a head you can't beat it. >The effect is you hold a head in your hand and it has lifelike >movements. Works on a similar >principle as the severed hand effects you see at Halloween. Just a >suggestion. cjk@DHOL.com I didn't know they were out yet. Does anyone know where this may be purchased? I searched the Distortions pages and I couldn't find anything. I also looked for Morris, but I couldn't find that either. Thanks. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 00:10:11 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:04:42 -0700 Subject: Impromptu So Cal get-together To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (Bob talking about the hotel get-together) What is your email address? this program won't catch it from the byline. Email me the details at htraver@dreamsys.com. Thanks! Harry "let's go crazy" Traver [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 01:56:00 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 04:46:00 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Fiber Optic Subject: Re: Alrightcha, you guys... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:39 PM 5/1/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello, everyone. I am new to the list, obviously, but have been >reading it over the shoulder of my friend for awhile now. > >Being a student of magic I am, of course, of the mind that magical stage >effects and smoke and mirrors, if used in the proper setting, can blow >away patrons at a haunted attraction. There is room for this kind of >thing, and hopefully I'll be able to bring some of this to the list. > >I'll be talking to you guys. :) > >Marko Hey Marko, Your a student in magic, kewl. I'm allways putting togeather my halloween parties, that allways have some interesting parts of magic in them. Do you know where I can purchase full sized, STAGE illusions and props for magic, at extreeeeeeeeeeemly low prices? Thanx.. Kel -----------Fiber Optic----------- http://www.inet-images.com/eq ________ | ____ | | \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." | \ / | - GWM | \/ | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 03:42:30 1997 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse Ledgerwood To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: East Coast Halloween Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I am here in Oregon, new to the list. jes. On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Oliver Holler wrote: > >At 08:16 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>I feel left out..... Are there any East Coast Halloween types out there? > >>David in Delaware > (and Greg listed) > VA > MD > NY > NJ > PA > MA > > Man, there are alot of states here on the East coast. With the West coast, > you've got what?. . . > California. . .? > And that's pretty much it, right? ;-) > > Oliver (geography boy) Holler > > hauntedattr@pelican.net > http://www.pelican.net/hauntedmagazine > From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 05:41:40 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 07:33:01 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 11:36 AM 5/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jerry, >Propolene glycol and glycerin(i'm lost without spell check) 40% Prop >and 60% gly, although I mix it 50/50 for the base chemical. Then I add >4 gallons of water to one gallon of mix. For a lighter effect I add >more water, for a heavier fog I use less water. WARNING. Making your >own fog juice is hazerdous to your fog machine. If you are not a large >volume user, stick to off the shelf products. After 100 gallons I >usually have to replace the heat exchanger. Roscoe units heat >exchangers cost about $200. I do the repair myself. Aluminum heat >exchangers suck. Steel(Roscoe) rules. jbcorn Hey All, I'm sure JB will agree that the formula he's giving is specific to his needs and budgeting requirements but has little resemblance to commercial fog fluids being sold by High End, Rosco, Lemaitre and Theatre Effects. Remember JB has developed this formula based on years of experience and the realizations of what he requires... and doing his heat exchanger replacements. ;) Quality, commercial glycol based fog fluid contains primarily polypropylene glycol, di-propylene glycol and/or other glycols in smaller percentages. The average gallon of mixed fog fluid contains 70 to 80% glycol and the balance demineralized or distilled water. Hang time and fog density is controlled by the types of gycols in the mix. Here are a few additions if you're thinking about mixing your own brew- 1. Higher percentages of water in fog fluid wastes energy and makes your heater work harder for the amount of fog produced. The harder your heater works, the shorter its' life. Remember water is usually much less than 30% of the final mix. 2. While once a common chemical, glycerin is seldom used since it raises the boiling point of the mix, again making the heater work harder. It also costs more than propylene glycol. 3. Glycerin will increase hang time but will usually cause a lot of spitting and oily residue because of the higher boiling point. Most modern fogger's temperatures are not set high enough for glycerin used in high percentages. 4. Food (Kosher is even available) grade glycols should be used, never technical grade. Tech grades are great plastic manufacturing feed stocks. Don't make people breath it. 5. Even food grades are not approved by the glycol manufacturers for breathing. Consider this when you contemplate liability. 6. Never use ethylene glycol unless you enjoy liver and kidney failure. 7. Low fog fluids contain almost no water. They do need to be thinned a little (15%) with demineralized water for inexpensive machines. Again, water wastes energy, both for making the fog and cooling it. 8. Anyone that has had a few foggers open can tell if a poor bathtub brew has been used, voiding any warranties. 9. Fog fluids that contain colorants and scents also have more impurities to clog the heat exchanger. Try to stick with clear, unscented fluids. Good quality fluids barely have any smell at all. 10. I advise all of my fogger customers to buy the best fluid they can afford from local sources. Buying it locally will save at least a little money. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 07:33:11 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:21:54 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com milwiron@btprod.com wrote: > Hey All, > I'm sure JB will agree that the formula he's giving is specific to his needs and budgeting requirements but has little resemblance to commercial fog fluids being sold by High End, Rosco, Lemaitre and > 10. I advise all of my fogger customers to buy the best fluid they can > afford from local sources. Buying it locally will save at least a little money. > Denny Hi Denny, And all this time you've been keeping secrets, you really are smart. He is correct. If you can't afford to experiment, stick with the store stuff, over priced as it is. My formula works best in Roscoe but be prepared to replace the heat exchanger every 100 gallons. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 07:33:36 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:14:14 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Geeze. I've been to your site and perused your knowlege and resume. I > wish I were 16 so I could go to your summer camp. I'm serious. I am not flattering, just observing fact. Move to the West Coast and teach us Hi Wil, Teach you what, are you refering to the TV/Film acting camp? I do visit the west coast, my sister lives there, shes a writer, also. Maybe you could invite me to one of your west coast get togethers and I could speak/seminar... whatever. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 07:36:32 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:08:10 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mineral oil fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > Someone had mentioned making fog with mineral oil and compressed air. Hi Derek, %hp is over kill, use 20 to 30 psi into a copper tube crimped at one end, with a pin drill, make 3 or 4 1/64" holes in the copper tube. Secure the copper tube to a metal container approx 6x12x4" with the holes aimed at the bottom. Add about 1" of mineral oil add oil based flavors to taste/smell. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 08:48:53 1997 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Thu, 1 May 1997 Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > ... IMHO the changes, while obvious, do not detract from > the ride's enjoyment. In fact the additions out number the deletions > by roughly three to one (not counting food items). The pirates now > move a little smoother to boot. Well that's my 3.5 cents worth... > > Steve > > P.S. The woman chasing the pirate now carries a rolling pin!! > Well, overall, that's good to hear. I figured Disney would make every attempt to keep up (or improve) the quality of the entertainment; it was the *principle* of the thing that got to me! So, what changes, if any, were made in the "bride auction"? I see they did "clean up" the second chase, though: adding the rolling pin was the tiny little touch that removed any sexual connotation! Pretty clever, I must admit... Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 09:10:55 1997 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB - I'm a little concerned about the use of minerasl oil, coupled with "safe to breathe!" When you say "food grade" mineral oil, do you mean like the pharmaceutical (laxitive) product? Even that is not safe to get in the lungs. I'd be particularly careful about fogging in a small enclosed space, with a live actor. I wonder how vegetable oil would work, and how safe that is to breathe... Dave On Thu, 1 May 1997, JB Corn wrote: > Use food grade mineral oil, and flavors. The 20-30lbs of air atomizes > the mineral oil and creates a light mist. Best used to fill small > enclosed spaces, like a coffin. Crack the coffin lid about a 1/4" add a > colored light and the colored fog pours out of the coffin after about 15 > mins. It is safe to breath, do not use to excess as mineral oil will > build up in carpet and furniture, best to use in garage or outside. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 09:38:22 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:26:02 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Ysengrin Werewolf Subject: Re: photos in haunt Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 06:55 AM 5/1/97 -0700, htraver@dreamsys.com wrote >If you ever want to stock a haunted arcade, here are some games to look >for. if I put a star next to them, that means I have one :) >Elvira and the Party Monsters pinball by Bally >Beast Busters by SNK We've got both these for sale - if you're interested call Lance Pope at 972-524-5700 (Wolf Studios). Don't forget the Addams Family pinball for the list of arcade games . . . Ysengrin Werewolf (aka Silvermane) Member Verdun Manor pack http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 09:39:39 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:24:20 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Talking Head/Here's lookin' at you Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Found this little article on the net at http://www.bix.com/news/showbizexpo/pa.html A Personal Address System By Loren Wilton Most people have had the experience of being addressed by someone using a "public address system." And unless you were really interested in what the speaker was saying you ignored the voice, since it was coming from that guy way over there who couldn't see you, much less make eye contact, and the voice was coming from the speakers all around the room. Or you have seen public video sales presentations. Someone sets up a TV set to play a video tape and then walks off. The person on the video tape is very earnestly addressing the camera and speaking persuasively. But the person on the tape isn't addressing _you_, she is addressing the camera. If you aren't standing right in front of the TV set she isn't looking at you. Videotronic Systems has changed that. Their Visualactive Imager(tm) might be the world's first _personal_ address system for public use. The unit is intended for uses much like the TV on a stand, with someone on the tape addressing a small crowd. But there the concepts differ. The Visualactive Imager consists of an attractive gray cube-like base containing a VCR and a video projector. The video projector is aimed upwards to a large mirror mounted at a 45 degree angle, reflecting the image from the projector to the viewers standing nearby. But between the projector and the mirror the Magic Happens. The video projector os projecting the image of, quite literally, a talking head. This image is projected on a special screen mounted horizontally at the base of the mirror. The unique thing about this screen is that it is not flat, as most screens are. Instead, it is molded to the general shape of the talking head being projected on it. This has a very interesting effect. No matter where you stand while watching the image of the talking head, the person is looking directly at you! No longer the impersonal sales pitch, where the salesperson is trying to earnestly sell the product to the camera. Instead, you have a presentation where everybody in the audience knows that they are being addressed personally. A presentation using the Visualactive Imager will take a little more thought and effort to set up that the usual videotape sales pitch done in an afternoon. But the difference in results should be worth the extra effort and cost. Videotronic Systems 23971 Crescent Lake Forest, CA 92630 (714) 470-6040 or (714) 364-7081 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 09:42:37 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:38:29 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > Hi Wil, > Teach you what, are you refering to the TV/Film acting camp? I do visit > the west coast, my sister lives there, shes a writer, also. Maybe you > could invite me to one of your west coast get togethers and I could > speak/seminar... whatever. jbcorn PLEASE let us know on the list when you may be planning a trip out here, and I'm sure we can get a group together for a breeze session. Your knowlege on the subject at hand should be of high interest to most of us, at least I would think. I personally am fascinated with film, so we also have that in common. Do you ever let greying, aging 16 yr. olds in the camp? ;~> I get a kick out of the arcade-type control of a room in your haunt. I'd love to hear more on how that is executed. Sounds like something that may just become an industry standard! -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 09:43:42 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:32:13 -0700 From: david c schwend To: Halloween-L Subject: Variety Show Biz Expo - Los Angeles Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Just got my invitation to attend this years Show Biz Expo ... Friday, June 13 and Saturday, June 15, 1997. They can be found on the net at: http://showbiz.reedexpo.com/losangeles/index.html Free admission to exhibits if registered by May 23rd. Otherwise $35 at the door. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 10:03:32 1997 From: Scott Axworthy Subject: Design Contest Web Site is UP! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hey All: It's been a busy week but I managed to get the contest web site up and running. Here is the *temporary* URL: http://www.cdac.com/hlist Note that this is a temporary location and the contest site will be moving. I'll let everyone know when that happens. The site has all the info that has already been announced, plus a little bit more. Give it the once-over and get going on your entries. Note that the second category requires no actual hardware, just your fervid imagination. Let me know if you have any questions. -Scott P.S. For those of you new to the list, there is a contest afoot. It involves utilizing an intriguing device known as an air cannon to produce an effect for haunt use. Check out the web site for all the details. -- Scott Axworthy Phone: 206-649-7668 Cascade Design Automation Fax: 206-649-7600 scott@cdac.com http://www.cdac.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 10:05:23 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:57:11 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: Greg Hope Subject: Re: Die Barney, Die!! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Okay, okay. The password gizmo looks and works fine. I'll take one, please, hold the barnie.wav. Also, Mr. Anxious To Check Out My Password Page, check out the code on awynnhi/1631dm.htm. See the space between the tag and the tag? It's giving you a small chunk of green border that seems to be following the spaceship like a gater following a comet. A Flying Saucer
Greg From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 10:26:07 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:16:13 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mineral oil fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > Derek Schwab wrote: > > > > Someone had mentioned making fog with mineral oil and compressed air. Hi Derek, > %hp is over kill, use 20 to 30 psi into a copper tube crimped at one > end, with a pin drill, make 3 or 4 1/64" holes in the copper tube. > Secure the copper tube to a metal container approx 6x12x4" with the > holes aimed at the bottom. Add about 1" of mineral oil add oil based > flavors to taste/smell. jbcorn Can I ask yet another question about this JB? The air that you're running through the oil and flavor concoction becomes fog? Or do I have this wrong yet again? Also, another question that is off this topic. Why are you selling your HH? My guess is you have another design that can't be constructed untill the funds from this one are reliquidated? I know that my furniture designs change on a regular basis and are highly driven by the developement of new methods of construction and the actual demands of the electronics that will be housed within them. I suppose your industry is much the same. Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 10:33:24 1997 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:55:32 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[4]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 5/2/97 9:12 AM >So, what changes, if any, were made in the "bride auction"? I see >they did "clean up" the second chase, though: adding the rolling >pin was the tiny little touch that removed any sexual >connotation! Pretty clever, I must admit... >Dave Hi Dave! You know, the funny thing is, the bride auction remains the same! They did however add a couple of nice skeletons next to the exit ramp, in the nooks and crannies that have the glowing eyes. Also new are at least four new pirates and a skeleton in the jail. Of course there is plenty of food also. Maybe they hope it will make you hungry enough to eat at the Blue Bayou? Steve From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 10:45:27 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:40:36 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Talking Head/Here's lookin' at you Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com david c schwend wrote: > > Found this little article on the net at > http://www.bix.com/news/showbizexpo/pa.html > > A Personal Address System > By Loren Wilton Thank you for posting this. We see our Haunted Mansion talking head put to a 21st century practical use. Sorta like the Back to the Future... -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 10:53:53 1997 From: milwiron@btprod.com Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:44:28 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com At 08:57 AM 5/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >JB - I'm a little concerned about the use of minerasl oil, >coupled with "safe to breathe!" When you say "food grade" >mineral oil, do you mean like the pharmaceutical (laxitive) >product? Even that is not safe to get in the lungs. >I'd be particularly careful about fogging in a small enclosed >space, with a live actor. >I wonder how vegetable oil would work, and how safe that is >to breathe... >Dave Hey Dave, "Light" mineral oil is a very common haze fluid in theatrical work. In fact the system JB is talking about is more correctly referred to as a hazer not a fogger. Initial studies are showing hazers to be safer than foggers for asthmatics but you can debate the safety of breathing anything you can see til the cows come home. There are a couple of companies that are now offering water based haze fluids, I don't know if the fluids solve any respiration concerns... after all Legionnaire's Disease is found in humidifying systems. Denny B.T. Productions' Terror By Design Haunt Supplies & Scare Wares From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 11:06:26 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:59:17 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > Hi Wil, > > Teach you what, are you refering to the TV/Film acting camp? I do > I get a kick out of the arcade-type control of a room in your haunt. Hi Wil, Our age limit is 18, so I guess a 16 year old is OK. The Fright control unit is a new concept. In a year or so I may give away the details, however, at the moment the concept is about 30 days in print, the people I sell my books to would be real bent if I started giving away waht they paid for. So for now you'll have to drool. I just made a deal to save Castle Dragon, which means I will open for 1997. Because I was not prepared for this I may not have time to come to California. My sister lives on the ocean near Vience Beach. I may have some time in July, see if anyone out there is interested and I'll try to be more specific. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 11:06:26 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:52:37 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Dave Bell wrote: > > JB - I'm a little concerned about the use of minerasl oil, Hi Dave, All my posts about mineral oil have been for outdoor use, or use in an effect, ie: a mineral oil fogger in a coffin, lid cracked about 1/4" no actor. I do not recommend using them else where. As Denny pointed out, I do things differently, I have been doing them professionally since 1979, TV/Film since 1969. I am into R&D, so I push things to the limit. The air in a city is more hazarodus to breath than the incredible small amount of Atomized Mineral Oil that enters your lungs. I have been using this system since 1992 with no adverse effects. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 11:18:51 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 13:09:49 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mineral oil fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com The air that you're > running through the oil and flavor concoction becomes fog? YES > HH? My guess is you have another design that can't be constructed untill the funds from this one are reliquidated? NO I do not own the haunt. And it will open this year, so it is no longer for sale. And YES, I do have a newer safer design system, it will be featured in book five. But NO I will not be switching over to it because it is not flexible enough for the many strange things I do, I must be able to rearrange approximatley 1,600 sq ft of haunt in one day to try out new ideas during a season. This only goes on for the first two weeks, then I lock down a safe design, usually the one printed in one of books as the official design for that year, but not always. I discover better ways to do things right up to the 31st. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 11:23:38 1997 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:26:50 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Impromptu So Cal get-together Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Bob and Kathy, We might be able to make it over to DH saturday night, but my email here at work does not give me your address. Can you mail me the details also? Please send to Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com . Thanks Steve and Lori ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Impromptu So Cal get-together Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 5/1/97 11:51 PM Hey all, Kathy and I have arranged a meeting for this Saturday night, 7:00pm at the Disneyland hotel. Anyone available for joining us that night can send me direct e-mail for further details. Bob From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 11:49:39 1997 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Bell To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi, Steve! We've always been *hungry* enough to eat there. Unfortunately we've always been either too cheap, or *too* hungry - to wait... Is there a "good" time to try? Dave On Fri, 2 May 1997 Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com wrote: > You know, the funny thing is, the bride auction remains the same! They > did however add a couple of nice skeletons next to the exit ramp, in the > nooks and crannies that have the glowing eyes. Also new are at least > four new pirates and a skeleton in the jail. Of course there is plenty > of food also. Maybe they hope it will make you hungry enough to eat > at the Blue Bayou? From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 11:51:35 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:42:07 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > I just made a deal to save Castle Dragon, which means I will open for > 1997. That's cool, JB. I wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your website and especially the pictures of your Castle Dragon. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 12:16:16 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:08:23 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Hi Wil, > Our age limit is 18, so I guess a 16 year old is OK. I'm 39, going on 17 actually. ;~> The Fright control > unit is a new concept. In a year or so I may give away the details, > however, at the moment the concept is about 30 days in print, the people > I sell my books to would be real bent if I started giving away waht they > paid for. So for now you'll have to drool. I understand. > I just made a deal to save Castle Dragon, which means I will open for > 1997. Because I was not prepared for this I may not have time to come > to California. My sister lives on the ocean near Vience Beach. I may > have some time in July, see if anyone out there is interested and I'll > try to be more specific. jbcorn Save? I didn't realize you weren't wanting to sell it. If this is good news, congrats. I'm sure Dallas is happy about that. If I can ask, what is it that you will be doing from now to the Oct? I've never ran a haunt so I am just curious. Look forward to possibly meeting in July then if things work out okay. BTW, where is Vience Beach? I haven't heard of it. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 12:19:34 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:17:24 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ron byrd Subject: Sound Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I am desparetly looking for the following for my Haunted House this October: A copy of the tape/record of Walt Disney's Sounds of the Haunted House AND a copy of the album of the theme's from the Universal Monster movies. Included on this album were the themes of: The Creature From The Black Lagoon; The Mole People; etc., the only place that this ablum could be bought was from the magazine Famous Monsters Of Filmland. I really need copies of these two for my Haunted House. The Walt Disney sound effects record has the absolute best wind/rain/thunderstorm ever recorded. I'm also looking for a recording the the bells of Westminister Abbey or any other bell that sounds neat and has 12 peals . For copies of these three things, I'll trade an Official Haunted House of Joppa patch. This is a three color embroideried patch and is extremely rare. Ron Byrd eireshade HAUNTED HOUSE ON FOXCROFT LANE Ron Byrd From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 13:07:33 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:00:40 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > > << > >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than 500 gallons > > > Hi jbcorn > > I can purchase chemivals in "small" bulk... > > What are the chemicals you use? I would like to try this myself. > Thanks jerry > Hi Jerry, > Propolene glycol and glycerin(i'm lost without spell check) 40% Prop > and 60% gly, although I mix it 50/50 for the base chemical. Then I add > 4 gallons of water to one gallon of mix. For a lighter effect I add > more water, for a heavier fog I use less water. WARNING. Making your > own fog juice is hazerdous to your fog machine. If you are not a large > volume user, stick to off the shelf products. After 100 gallons I > usually have to replace the heat exchanger. Roscoe units heat > exchangers cost about $200. I do the repair myself. Aluminum heat > exchangers suck. Steel(Roscoe) rules. jbcorn This may sound like a stupid question, but someone has to ask it, Where do you get these chemicals? We've been talking about this for several days and that has not been mentioned -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 13:24:36 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:09:20 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mineral oil fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: > > Derek Schwab wrote: > > > > Someone had mentioned making fog with mineral oil and compressed air. Hi Derek, > %hp is over kill, use 20 to 30 psi into a copper tube crimped at one > end, with a pin drill, make 3 or 4 1/64" holes in the copper tube. > Secure the copper tube to a metal container approx 6x12x4" with the > holes aimed at the bottom. Add about 1" of mineral oil add oil based > flavors to taste/smell. jbcorn Thanks for the help, one more thing, does the oil cover the holes, or is the tube suspended over the oil? -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 13:25:19 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:18:33 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ron byrd Subject: Sound Effects Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I am desparetly looking for the following for my Haunted House this October: A copy of the tape/record of Walt Disney's Sounds of the Haunted House AND a copy of the album of the theme's from the Universal Monster movies. Included on this album were the themes of: The Creature From The Black Lagoon; The Mole People; etc., the only place that this ablum could be bought was from the magazine Famous Monsters Of Filmland. I really need copies of these two for my Haunted House. The Walt Disney sound effects record has the absolute best wind/rain/thunderstorm ever recorded. I'm also looking for a recording the the bells of Westminister Abbey or any other bell that sounds neat and has 12 peals . For copies of these three things, I'll trade an Official Haunted House of Joppa patch. This is a three color embroideried patch and is extremely rare. Ron Byrd eireshade HAUNTED HOUSE ON FOXCROFT LANE Ron Byrd From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 13:37:45 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:12:31 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bob Andrews wrote: > That's cool, JB. I wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your website and > especially the pictures of your Castle Dragon. Hi Bob, Thank you, I am scanning in new photos of the castle, should be loaded on the site by sunday. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 13:38:04 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:22:26 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > > Hi Wil, > I'm 39, going on 17 actually. ;~> I'm worse off, 49 going on 12, > > I just made a deal to save Castle Dragon, which means I will open > Save? I didn't realize you weren't wanting to sell it. YO WIL, What creator willingly parts with his lifes work? The school that owns the haunt had a PC change. They wanted to dump it. Thank goodness no one jumped on it, I sent out an honest list of the castles contents, no one realized how under valued it was priced. We got third party evaluations on the 1996 set-up. Lowest was $100,000. The castle was on the market for $60k. Had some nibbles. The deadline for sale for 1997 was April 30, I didn't tell anyone that. I cut a deal for a new permanent location. I must now install a 4,400 sq ft building in 90 days. We actually open August 16. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 15:08:24 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 17:28:46 -0500 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "John P. Jeffries" Subject: Vanishing Blood Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com