Here's a question for the Blood tinkering folks: Everyone has seen the "ink" that once splattered, it goes away... Has anyone seen (or made) a non-toxic, non-staining, vanishing blood?? This would be great for gags and repetitive effects :) Hauntingly, John ********************************* * Mr.Scary Productions * * http://www.mrscary.com * * E-mail: mrscary@kiva.net * * 1-812-824-8935 * * FAX: 1-812-824-9960 * ********************************* From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 15:08:33 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:03:45 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I cut a deal for a new > permanent location. I must now install a 4,400 sq ft building in 90 > days. We actually open August 16. jbcorn Christ! You are one ambitious guy. Good luck, and I hope it all goes well. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 15:11:23 1997 From: Steve_Kirkman_at_BI-USA@astec.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:36:04 -0700 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re[6]: Arrrr-Matey, BANTER Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Dave, They get so booked up that they started taking reservations. Even the reservations get filled, so make them early. I don't remember if you make them at the resturant or up by the exit for Mr. Lincoln. When we go over we usually end up standing in line anyway! I seem to remember a break just before 5:00 though. If you have a premium annual pass you can get a 10% to 15% discount just by showing your pass. Steve ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Author: halloween-l@netcom.com at internet Date: 5/2/97 12:21 PM Hi, Steve! We've always been *hungry* enough to eat there. Unfortunately we've always been either too cheap, or *too* hungry - to wait... Is there a "good" time to try? Dave From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 15:37:21 1997 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:31:34 +0100 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: makeup@earthlink.net (Tad Peters) Subject: Re: Halloween-L SoCal Chapter Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > >Join! > >Commit! > >Attend! > >I'm ready. > > > >Wil >X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X > Rest in Peace > Death Lord >'97 Topic Archives- >http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm >X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X I will travel anywhere, just let me know, and no conflicts I am there! Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 http://www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 17:18:10 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:08:37 -0500 From: The Proctors To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com JB Corn wrote: (andy-snip here) > I cut a deal for a new > permanent location. I must now install a 4,400 sq ft building in 90 > days. We actually open August 16. jbcorn Okay, wait a minute, you mean *open-for-business* kind of open?? Don't forget, I'm only about 20 minutes away from you so I'm definitely gonna need more details!!! Karen -- Please remove XXX from email address when replying. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 17:33:47 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 17:30:17 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Santa Barbara County Halloweenaholics Society Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I will travel anywhere, just let me know, and no conflicts I am there! > > Tad Peters A. Harlequin Costume > makeup@earthlink.net 9589 Foothill Blvd > tpeters@webbwerks.com Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 > http://www.costumemagic.com (909) 948-2950 Welcome Tad. Consider yourself the first official member of the Santa Barbara County Halloweenaholics Society! Since this is only the beginning, we will be creating everything now as we go. Once we have a few members we will discuss the directive of our first meeting to be held here in Santa Maria, at my plant for a get-aquainted meeting and if there is interest, also a workshop. Since nothing is hewn in stone, please let me know what you are interested in for your project and whether you are interested in serving on the board. If this gets rolling soon enough, within four weeks or so we should have our first meeting. I am posting this response to the list now only to remind everyone that is interested to please respond and get involved now. Once this is rolling we will be responding to SBH Society topics off-list. Remember, if you have already responded to the proposed SO. Cal. gettogether, we would still really like to recieve another response from you concerning the formation of a club that will meet once a month or quarter, or when the convenient date is for the initial group. And I also am encouraging those in the L.A. area to form the same there. Having combined meetings once a year or something wouldn't be hard to do and would be a great experience. We hope that by generating this coalition of interested members we will be able to be able eventually to sponsor our own HH or even a seasonal Halloween novelty shop as a fundraiser for the benefit of the local charity as well as for the club itself. E me if interested. The Santa Barbara County chapter is underway and open to any and all interested. Thanks, Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:18:31 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:40:48 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Wil wrote: > > I cut a deal for a new > > permanent location. I must now install a 4,400 sq ft building in 90 > > days. We actually open August 16. jbcorn > > Christ! You are one ambitious guy. Good luck, and I hope it all goes > well. He he he, In this instance luck had everything to do with it, that and not giving up. I started working on this deal last August. It died in November, then out of the blue two weeks ago they called me.. go figure. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:18:36 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:28:55 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab wrote: > > JB Corn wrote: > > > > Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > > > > << > >purchase in bulk the chemicals and for about $1,000 I make more than 500 gallons This may sound like a stupid question, but someone has to ask it, Where > do you get these chemicals? We've been talking about this for several > days and that has not been mentioned > Derek Schwab Hi Derek, Well I started with the yellow pages, and ended up purchasing them from ARCO here locally in Dallas. I purchase 55 gallon drums. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:18:38 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:38:26 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Mineral oil fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hi Derek, The pan containing the mineral oil has a copper tube laying flush on its bottom. The tube has 1/64" holes, 3 or 4. The holes are aimed at the bottom of the pan, the mineral oil covers the copper tube, the air blowing downward thru the oil against the bottom of the pan atomizes the mineral oil. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:22:29 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 20:16:51 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Okay, wait a minute, you mean *open-for-business* kind of open?? Don't forget, I'm only about 20 minutes away from you so I'm definitely gonna need more details!!! Karen You bectch um re ridder, The new location is next to the New Texas Speedway, 35w and 114, a preview and variation for the ren faire opens August 16, the Castle will open in October Fully completed. Open date not set yet. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:28:46 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:23:32 -0700 Subject: Re: photos in haunt To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Also, if you are looking for Chillers, I can fix them up through ElDorado games at (714)535-3300. may take 2 or three months to get one all set, but it's worth the results :) ElDorado also has a whole bunch oif older arcade games if you are looking for any in particular other than the scary bunch.... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:35:13 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:18:01 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5736.253AEB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Bob Laviguer[SMTP:blav@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 1:05 AM To: 'halloween' Matt, As soon as I get a chance to catch my breath (with work), I'll send you a detailed description of what we did via direct e-mail. Your room sounds great! We used a fake fireplace in ours... Our layout may fit your room exactly. 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YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Harry in a most ecstatic mood... (now take the for sale off yer page! but leave the kewl pictures...) [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:41:52 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:31:34 -0700 Subject: Sound Effects To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Ron, got the record, email me in private. Harry at htraver@dreamsys.com [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 18:43:31 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:28:05 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5737.59B84E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Bob Laviguer[SMTP:blav@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 1:05 AM To: 'halloween' Matt, As soon as I get a chance to catch my breath (with work), I'll send you a detailed description of what we did via direct e-mail. Your room sounds great! We used a fake fireplace in ours... Our layout may fit your room exactly. 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My partner and I are here in Pennsylvania. We generally just read the banter and soak up all this site has to offer as we are new to the "business side" of haunted houses. We are currently trying to finalize plans for our first location as a real business. We have both been involved with haunted houses for some years now (my partner longer than myself) and felt it was time to make some money for ourselves. Good luck with your haunt! Signed, The few (maybe not so few), the proud, the Easterners! Barb (and Scott) Undead Productions From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 19:03:02 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:57:40 -0700 Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com (jbcorn describing how his dream was saved) Hopefully, part of the deal is that they will be selling you the Castle to keep as an extended work deal.....me happy to see it..... Harry [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 19:12:10 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:05:31 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a tec question from a non tec...fog Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > (jbcorn telling how Castle Dragon will be saved) > > CASTLE DRAGON IS SAVED!!!!! YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did that already, new pics on the way. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 19:24:34 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:22:56 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Air cannon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I just built my prototype air cannon. It is quite refreshing to have a project started and completed within ten minutes! Especially after working with RTV with curing times of 1 to 7 days! I used Scott's directions, but left the tube 4 feet long. It is very impressive when the tube is filled with fog. My wife was working in the dining room on her computer and I was in the living room, 30 feet away blasting her with smoke rings. Very cool! -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 19:28:42 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:23:20 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 04:56:36 EDT, you write: << I find 'em very offensive, and they give both haunted houses and Christianity a black eye. You may be giving entirely the wrong impression if you use 'Hell House' as a name. >> jerry: Holy #@$! Thanks! That could have been a BIG mistake. We do have a few like that here but the name has not stuck yet! But it is just a mater of time.... thank you! jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 19:53:38 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:46:43 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 03:28:53 EDT, you write: << Hmm, steel studs are great, if the ceiling is less than 8' they will have to be cut, 2x4s come in a 92 5/8" size that might fit. Depending on your crowd drywall may not hold up. If you use drywall place metal studs 12" on center and use 5/8" drywall. If your crowd is not rough then use metal studs 24" on center and 1/2" drywall. My haunt would never surrvive with drywall, they go through plywood, some of our scares are rather intense. this last year, first time ever, a group of four went th >> Jerry rersponse: Try beefing up your startle zones! The steel studs are so cheap that I use extra studs to reinforce the walls and it is STILL cheaper than wood and the fire inspections are less of a headache! I will sometimes cheat with thin plywood in place of drywall for special areas. This is even MORE ldelicate, but it is the extra steel studs and my stud arangment that is the TRICK! jerrry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 19:58:36 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:52:36 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 03:41:23 EDT, you write: << erry Sounds good. Can I get some more information about it from you? Do you make wall units (two pieces of drywall connected with a 2X4 frame) or do you use them freestanding? How do you support the walls on the top and bottom? The problem I have is that the walls (when supported from the top with cross 2X4's) can get knocked out if hit from the bottom. matt >> --------------------- Hi matt Can you tell me more about the floor you will build on. Several ways to pin them down temporaraly or brace from the outside. You will be suprised at how well thay will stay in place with just one drywall screw in a 8 foot long section of wall. The dry wall screw makes such a small hole that it is ignored or fixed no problem. Arangment is the seceret. Beef up the startle zones to take the abuse but dont worry about areas that will not see this kind of punishment. Did you want a gif? jerry. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 20:23:09 1997 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 22:13:53 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: 16 going on 40 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Hopefully, part of the deal is that they will be selling you the Castle to keep as an extended work deal.....me happy to see it..... RIGHT, I like your stories fairy tale ending, not holding my breath, jborn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 20:28:38 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: I gotta place for my haunt! Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:12:16 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5745.F8258660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Spookyfx@aol.com[SMTP:Spookyfx@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 5:52 PM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! In a message dated 97-05-02 03:41:23 EDT, you write: << erry =20 Sounds good. Can I get some more information about it from you? Do = you make wall units (two pieces of drywall connected with a 2X4 frame) or do = you use them freestanding? How do you support the walls on the top and = bottom? The problem I have is that the walls (when supported from the top with = cross 2X4's) can get knocked out if hit from the bottom. =20 =20 matt >> --------------------- Hi matt Can you tell me more about the floor you will build on. Several ways to pin them down temporaraly or brace from the outside. You will be suprised at how well thay will stay in place with just one drywall screw in a 8 foot long section of wall. The dry wall screw makes such a small hole that it is ignored or fixed no problem.=20 Arangment is the seceret. Beef up the startle zones to take the abuse but dont worry about areas that will not see this kind of punishment. Did you want a gif? jerry. Well, I'm renting the place through the neighborhood so I can't do all = that much damage. The floor is tile so if there is a conspicuous way to = do it, then I'm all ears! A Gif isn't necessary unless you think it = would help. 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Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Did you want a gif? > > jerry. he he he, I'll take a giff, curisoity killed the cat, satisfaction... jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 21:14:18 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:08:50 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: SoCal meeting Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-04-30 04:05:45 EDT, you write: << My record is once in a row. -- Bob Andrews Bob, I am not talking about just Small World...I know how you feel about that ride!! I want to ride Haunted Mansion till I can't stand it anymore!! Kathy the n >> jerrys record: 32 times in one day! (when thay put in the new shadow playing piano effect...) jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 21:28:14 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:22:38 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-01 10:27:56 EDT, you write: << eal fast after someone did a heart attack number. I saw him during his heydey. He could only work 1/2 hour in there 'cause the suit was so hot and he had a cord and button to stop the ride if needed... Harry ops: check out Don Bertino's website to see my drawing of the inside ride la >> Jerrys response (this is just for fun...) What A WHIMP! :~) I am a overweight old man and I have worn 100 pounds of plate armor in the desert while fighting beserkers for 4 hours ! (its true!) jerry ( the well no wonder you are so brain damaged) chavez From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 21:48:56 1997 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 21:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Bertino To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: C'mon on down Re: Air cannon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Fri, 2 May 1997, Bob Andrews wrote: > impressive when the tube is filled with fog. My wife was working in the > dining room on her computer and I was in the living room, 30 feet away > blasting her with smoke rings. Very cool! Cool, Bob.. Now your going to bring it May 18th aren't you... :) BTW, to everyone in the area. You are all welcome to join us on May 18th for our build-a-FCG-or-die meeting. Please email me directly for more info. don bertino@netcom.com ____/^\_____________________________________ Disney ascii art & / \ || FDC MCP || / \ animations are at <______\ [] [] [] || [] [] [] || [] [] [] /______> http://www.calweb.com \----------------||----------||----------------/=== /~bertino===============\______________||__________||______________/===== From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 21:50:53 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:45:13 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Alrightcha, you guys... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 02:45:27 EDT, you write: << ello, everyone. I am new to the list, obviously, but have been reading it over the shoulder of my friend for awhile now. Being a student of magic I am, of course, of the mind that magical stage effects and smoke and mirrors, if used in the proper setting, can blow away patrons at a haunted attraction. There is room for this kind of thing, and hopefully I'll be able to bring some of this to the list. I'll be talking to you guys. :) Marko >> jerry's says: Hey the "nineth" is comming! I thought it was just going to be me... nice to have back up :~} Be careful, other magicians on this list want us to watch what we say! You know how it is... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 21:58:00 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:48:43 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Puppet Heads Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 02:54:54 EDT, you write: << >I just received today my order for the 'puppet heads' from Distortions >(bought thru Morris). I >thought the effect was great at the show as I thought it was a high >priced animation and now that >I received the props, I feel I can really endorse this prop. For 50 >dollars a head you can't beat it. >The effect is you hold a head in your hand and it has lifelike >movements. Works on a similar >principle as the severed hand effects you see at Halloween. Just a >suggestion. cjk@DHO >> jerry asks: Can anyone put a gif (or other) of this head? I would like to see the placement of the hand to the fake head... thanks jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 22:21:43 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Raiders..... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 13:42:32 EDT, you write: << Thank you for posting this. We see our Haunted Mansion talking head put to a 21st century practical use. Sorta like the Back to the Future... -- Wil Jerry’s response: Funny thing is that many wondrous devices were first used by history’s magicians. The steam engine Electricity Projectors Explosives gears and leverage systems chemistry All used first by magicians (like Egyptian priests) to “effect” the uneducated masses! Many of these are documented in text shared by magicians but not with the general public. So the inventors never got credit for the “inventions”. Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 22:25:18 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:20:02 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Arrrr-Matey, Shiver me e-ticket. Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 16:30:03 EDT, you write: << i, Steve! We've always been *hungry* enough to eat there. Unfortunately we've always been either too cheap, or *too* hungry - to wait... Is there a "good" time to try? Dave >> jerry's clue: I ALWAYS eat there! First thing you do when you get into the park is RUN there and make RESERVATIONS! jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 22:33:22 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:28:12 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Vanishing Blood Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-02 23:46:08 EDT, you write: << Here's a question for the Blood tinkering folks: Everyone has seen the "ink" that once splattered, it goes away... Has anyone seen (or made) a non-toxic, non-staining, vanishing blood?? This would be great for gags and repetitive effects :) >> Jerry wrties: I bouht out Toys are us when the "gotch" splatter guns went half price. The red ink would disapear but left a "water stain". I discontinued using it but I keep thinking of brining it back if I could get a waiver from my customers... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 22:48:54 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 01:34:07 -0400 From: "leonard.pickel" Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com You posted. <> Jerry, Would you please let me know who is using "Mayhem Mansion" for a HH name. I have a Trademark for Mayhem Manor (r) and need to make them aware of it. Thanks, Leonard From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 22:49:28 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 01:38:37 -0400 From: "leonard.pickel" Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Matt, What it comes down to, is the building that you are trying to use will not work well. If you can't fasten the walls to the floor or ceiling, then you need a taller ceiling to brace on top. If the building is sprinklered, placing walls to break up the space will require, by code, additional heads so that the total area can be covered. This would be a costly alteration. Sheetrock will not hold up to a panel system, and it is heavy. Plywood panels would have to be trimmed to fit under the ceiling, and when you move to a new, larger location they will always be too short. No solid wall system can economically be taken down and put back up each day. The only way I see this working would be with a pipe and drape system. I know that the space is free, but if you are looking to do a HH in this building you better look into a guided, low through-put display style show, with pipe and drape walls. Or find a different location. Leonard leonard.pickel@mci2000.com ---------- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Fri May 2 23:44:38 1997 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:34:53 -0600 (MDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Brianicus, herder of sheep" Subject: tornado Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello, I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on making "real" tornados, I saw a picture of one on a webpage and have been intrigued by them ???? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hang~Ten~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Brian~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 02:15:24 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 02:08:40 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: C'mon on down Re: Air cannon Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Don Bertino wrote: > Cool, Bob.. > > Now your going to bring it May 18th aren't you... :) > Sure. It won't fit in my coup. I'll borrow my wife's station wagon. I'm sure she'll be talking to me by then. ;-D -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 02:31:46 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 04:26:13 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: tornado Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Brianicus, herder of sheep wrote: > > Hello, I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any > suggestions on making "real" tornados, I saw a picture of one on a Come to Texas, We'll show you how to ride one, he he he, jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 03:21:46 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 06:16:05 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-03 03:02:00 EDT, you write: << f the building is sprinklered, placing walls to break up the space will require, by code, additional heads so that the total area can be covered. This would be a costly alteration. >> NOT TRUE! It depends on how close to the heads the "temporay dividers" are to the heads. But I never had a problem from the inspectors on this... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 03:30:22 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 06:25:11 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-03 03:01:46 EDT, you write: << Jerry, Would you please let me know who is using "Mayhem Mansion" for a HH name. I have a Trademark for Mayhem Manor (r) and need to make them aware of it. Thanks, Leonard >> You are kind of putting me on the spot! :~) How many combinations using the word "mayhem" dose your trademark restrict? I have a D&D game episode that is by that name Mayhem Mountian. Can you sue the gameing company? this seems unfair! or dose it only applie to a HH? To answer your question, it was most likely you, and I got the name wrong.... jerry. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 05:53:50 1997 From: matthew garza To: "'halloween-l@netcom.com'" Subject: RE: tornado Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 07:35:44 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5794.C9738A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: JB Corn[SMTP:jbcorn@altinet.net] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 1997 4:26 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: tornado Brianicus, herder of sheep wrote: > > Hello, I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any > suggestions on making "real" tornados, I saw a picture of one on a Come to Texas, We'll show you how to ride one, he he he, jbcorn Where abouts in Texas are you? I'm in Houston. 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Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 07:32:39 -0500 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5794.C6602FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: leonard.pickel[SMTP:leonard.pickel@mci2000.com] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 1997 12:38 AM To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Matt, What it comes down to, is the building that you are trying to use will = not work well. If you can't fasten the walls to the floor or ceiling, then you need a taller ceiling to brace on top.=20 If the building is sprinklered, placing walls to break up the space will require, by code, additional heads so that the total area can be = covered.=20 This would be a costly alteration. Sheetrock will not hold up to a panel system, and it is heavy. Plywood panels would have to be trimmed to fit under the ceiling, and when you = move to a new, larger location they will always be too short. 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Ah, Wonderland! Harry in the morning [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 08:25:56 1997 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 09:10:22 -0600 (MDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: "Brianicus, herder of sheep" Subject: Re: tornado Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com >Come to Texas, We'll show you how to ride one, he he he, jbcorn > Sorry, jb, I live in Texas. Anyways, I just want to scare my guests, not cause brain damage, unless it can be through fright. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hang~Ten~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Brian~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 10:30:30 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 10:29:19 -0700 From: Death Lord To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > How many combinations using the word "mayhem" dose your trademark > restrict? I have a D&D game episode that is by that name Mayhem Mountian. > > Can you sue the gameing company? > > this seems unfair! > or dose it only applie to a HH? > > To answer your question, it was most likely you, and I got the name wrong.... > > jerry. To my knowlege, you need to register your name nationally in every county in the US to have a blanket claim to any name for a business. Even then if someone wanted to name themselves Mayhem Manor, or Massacre Mansion or even Maim Mansion, it would be next to impossible not to see the case get thrown out of court before it even begun the litigation process. The monster companies such as GE can sue people for even having a logo that sort of LOOKS like theirs (Electric Light Orchestra) or for having a name that if slurred could sound something like theirs, due to the army of lawyers it keeps on hand. These are lawyers that can make the judge in Middlesville look like a maniac that needs to be committed. High fire power. This is the kind of thing that buisiness with an annual advertising budget that matches the gross national debt can afford to do to protect themselves. We little guys can watch a business open up across the street from Mc Laren's Hardware, calling themselves Mc Laferties Hardware and not do a damned thing about it. In fact, if they wanted to go to the next county over, they could call themselves Polk Countys Mc Laren's Hardware, and there's not a damned thing that can be done about it. This may not be 100% accurate, but it is what I have learned from reading on franchising over the past decade. There are ways to become nationally recognized that will give you a stronger case in court, but this won't help you come up with OJ Simpson amounts of money for a legal defense to ward off these other names. If you wanted to call your HH Scream in the Dark I would bet a grand right now that I could defend it from the person that bought the national rights to this name. No problem. Wil -- X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace. The Death Lord '97 Halloween-l Topic Archives; http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 11:02:59 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 12:55:17 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: tornado Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Where abouts in Texas are you? I'm in Houston. And I want to travel to your Castle this year. Hi Matt, We'll be north of Fort Worth on 35w at hwy 114. Houston huh, lots of water and humidity. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 11:03:07 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 12:56:44 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: tornado Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Sorry, jb, I live in Texas. Anyways, I just want to scare my guests, not cause brain damage, unless it can be through fright. Hi Brian, Where in Texas, Castle Dragon is moving to 35w and hwy 114. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 11:48:27 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:43:48 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Now for Something Really Scary (guts) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Spookyfx@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-05-01 10:27:56 EDT, you write: > > << I saw him during his > heydey. He could only work 1/2 hour in there 'cause the suit was so hot > and he had a cord and button to stop the ride if needed... > > Harry > > >> > > Jerrys response (this is just for fun...) > > What A WHIMP! :~) > > I am a overweight old man and I have worn 100 pounds of > plate armor in the desert while fighting beserkers > for 4 hours ! > (its true!) > > jerry ( the well no wonder you are so brain damaged) chavez Is this why Shoichi Hirose says in "Age of the Gods", "People had guts in those days"? ;} And those who could endure it were very proud...Guy Mariner Tucker From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 12:01:25 1997 From: jeyster@juno.com To: halloween-l@netcom.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 09:17:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Hello Bob, could you post the address to this store, I believe you called it the Halloween Club?. I would like to go and see what they have. Thank You. Jack Eyster jeyster@juno.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 12:28:42 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: oops big mistake... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I appoligize to the list members... I sent a gif attachment to the list by mistake. sorry jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 12:33:39 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: I gotta place for my haunt! Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com --PART.BOUNDARY.0.10662.emout19.mail.aol.com.862687280 Content-ID: <0_10662_862687280@emout19.mail.aol.com.3895> Content-type: text/plain see attached gif Brace the bottom of startle zones with the A-frame or to the next wall (back stage) or to the exiting wall of the building. You do not have to fasten the brace to the existing wall just put it up tight from wall to wall. 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--PART.BOUNDARY.0.10662.emout19.mail.aol.com.862687280-- From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 12:37:17 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-03 13:27:42 EDT, you write: << If you wanted to call your HH Scream in the Dark I would bet a grand right now that I could defend it from the person that bought the national rights to this name. No problem. Wil >> Wil Thank you for such great info on the business end! Hey, you would not want to team up for a profit HH in the future sometime would ya? (yet another pipe dream....) jerry (the coffee deprived) chavez p.s. No one has given me any sugestions for a name! :~( From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 13:38:06 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:34:41 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > Wil > Thank you for such great info on the business end! > Hey, you would not want to team up for a profit HH > in the future sometime would ya? > > (yet another pipe dream....) I think that it may be possible to put together something with the clubs I am attempting to get started. I envision an excetional pool of talent to draw from, and the club would retain some of the proceeds under the Not for Profit status to use towards next year's props and expenses. We already have a startup on the east coast through L.Pickel, and I am starting the S.B.C. chapter here. We only need to get a few more folks involved. > > jerry (the coffee deprived) chavez > > p.s. No one has given me any sugestions for a name! :~( I liked the name you came up with. Bad Moon Rising isn't as good, but I still like it. Being more practical though, Season of the Witch would envoke fear I'd think. These are obviously not typical sounding HH names. That's why I would use them myself. Catches folks off guard. -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 13:48:08 1997 From: Bob Laviguer To: "'halloween'" Subject: Halloween Club Address and Phone Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 13:42:06 -0700 Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For anyone in So Cal interested, I was asked to post the address for the Halloween Club. Here it is: Halloween Club 13310 Firestone Blvd. Suite "A" Sante Fe Springs CA 90670 (562) 407-3284 Exit Santa Ana Freeway (5) at Carmenita Happy Haunting! Don't spend too much! :) Bob L. From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 13:49:17 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 16:43:02 -0500 From: Derek Schwab To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: oops big mistake... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > I appoligize to the list members... > > I sent a gif attachment to the list by mistake. That's not a problem for me, it helps us see what you are talking about. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Derek Schwab silverball@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3708/index.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 14:00:10 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 16:53:53 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-03 16:35:17 EDT, you write: << liked the name you came up with. Bad Moon Rising isn't as good, but I still like it. Being more practical though, Season of the Witch would envoke fear I'd think. These are obviously not typical sounding HH names. That's why I would use them myself. Catches folks off guard. -- Wil X+X+ >> HHHMMMM.... thanks for the brain food... jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 14:21:52 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 14:15:07 -0700 From: Bob Andrews To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Ivy Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com For my haunt this year, I wanted to have ivy-covered columns for my crypts. I went over to Target and priced their wimpy, six-foot silk ivy garlands. $5.99! So I went to the garden section and bought four flats of english ivy for $4.30 each. By October, I should have an ivy forest. -- Bob Andrews bandrews@inreach.com http://www.anaserve.com/~BoBandrews From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 14:39:30 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 17:33:11 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Temporary maze in a pristine environment (was: I gotta place...) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 5/3/97 12:40:54 PM, you wrote: <> ******************************************* This is a similar problem to what I have been dealing with this year. This is all new to me. In the 15 years I've been working in haunted housing, we've always been in derelict buildings and have nailed to the walls and pounded spikes into the floors. Figures, the first one I'm directing on my own ends up being in a storefront at a mall. The environment 'must' not be molested. Here are some of the elements of our 'grand expirement' we have added to deal with this problem. (1) Lots of right angles in the maze add stability. (2) Brace hallways across the top with 2x4's. (3) Butt one edge of the arena against an existing wall. (we will be using high and low braces to do this with ply over the bottom braces so we still have a 'walkway' around the arena.) (4) Our walls attach together solid with metal corners and screws so the walls in halls support each other and don't twist. (5) We've added several 2'x2' columns with sand bags in the bottom into critical areas of the design to keep the arena from 'scooting around' as much. (6) We do our best to have no length of hall longer than three panels (12') without a right angle or a sand bag column. (7) Try to use any existing stone columns for support as well. (8) Using 3/4" plywood (heavy) will add stability. (9) In long halls build 'ramps' to slightly change the elevation of your guests. To them it's just part of the haunt experience. ("Ooh, the floors are all slanty!!!") You can then throw long screws through the bottoms of those wall panels into the edges of the ramp to brace the bottoms of those walls together. (Clever, eh?) I'm sure JBCorn has some great ideas on stabilizing a free standing arena in an environment that cannot be molested. I'm sure even with these stabilizing elements added, we will still have to have some of our own people walk thru routinely and 'scoot' thing back into alignment. I'll email to the list in November and let you all know if this was a disaster or not. Any other ideas for this problem? I would have to say, I would not like having walls shorter than 8 feet. You need to reuse the lumber next year and it will all be to short. We run our electric through clips across the top of our haunt and down into the display areas. If the walls were shorter than 8 feet, our guests might be inclined to grab at the cables. Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 15:46:00 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:39:57 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! I've got ScaryHouse Studio FRIGHTWORKS because it is an installation at a mall... this year. Next year it could be in a house, school, warehouse, storefront, etc., so I didn't want to name it ScaryHouse Studio HAUNTED HOUSE, SCHOOLHOUSE or anything like that so it would be a non discription and it could be anywhere. Our fire dept. put on the Haunted Firehouse for several years until they made constructive use of the space. Now, the Haunted Firehouse is in schools, old houses, at the mall etc. Kind of sad really... Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 15:46:10 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:40:03 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com <> ********************************* Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! Our pain in the butt religious radicals have named their haunt "House of Horrors" (Like, "We'll show you the REAL horror!!" Alcoholisim, Abortion, Blasphemy, etc.) We have plenty of other churches that do the traditional haunts and they feel the pain of this 'haunting bastardization' because everyone hears it's a church run haunt and goes "Oh no, not that one!" and skip it. This is a truely evil cancer in the haunting industry. Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 15:46:42 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:40:06 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: oops big mistake... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! The .gif was great!!! (Much better than all those .dat files everyone throws up onto the list.) If I download something, I'd rather it was something useful like this. However, there is protocol. If you ask to the list you will find someone who will post your diagram on thier webpage temporarily so we can all take a look at our convienience. I don't mind getting .gifs if they are constructive, like yours, but I can imaging how this list would get with everyone sending maps to their houses for parties etc. Uuuggg!! If there *is* to be a graphics format for the list, my vote is for the .gif. Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 16:05:40 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 16:00:16 -0700 Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Bad Moon Rising and Season of the Witch are both media names copyrighted, so you would need permission :) I'm still waiyting to raise the dead presidents for our trademark until I let it out :) Harry ps: I don't think you can sue for mayhem mansion if you trademarked mayhem manor. Not the same thing there.....will have to check... [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 16:06:47 1997 From: htraver@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 16:00:46 -0700 Subject: Ivy To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com B(Bob talking about ivy covered columns) Bob, why not try surplus camouflage netting? It's fireproof, and dirt cheap and can cover lots of area. Not as real unless you are using a permanent place.... Harry in your alley [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 16:38:42 1997 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:36:24 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Michael Marcrum wrote: Hey Kathy, Sorry about the lateness of this reply but I've been gone for a week and had over 300 posts to go through! Your haunt sounds great, I only wished I lived in CA to see it! (snip) > > 8. frankenstien...lab set up..monster on slab...lots of lights etc. all > the lights start flashing..jacobs ladder, glow fluid...and just as it > comes to a peek a blast of C02 at feet level!! Here's a frankenstien scene we did in a charity house a few years ago that may give you some additional ideas: The "monster" was on a table that was angled at about a 60 degree angle to provide an easier viewing for the audience, and allow the monster to move after he was "brought to life". Behind the table (hidden from the audience) were some switches that Dr. Frankenstien could use to control the effects. We used 2 small plasma balls fastened to some wood on a platform with rolling castors as the "energy source".From the tops of this we added flexible ducting that went up to the ceiling. This arrange- ment for the sake of clarity resembled an "H" with the lower portion of the H being the wooden supports with castors,the upper being the ducting, and the middle being the plasma balls (of course the H isn't really connected in the middle,creating an H that was split down the center). The two halves were placed on both sides of the monster with the plasma balls at neck level. We also had a skylight (really just a hole in the ceiling) and placed a strobe above the ceiling. The rest of the set was decorated as a lab. Heres how the room worked: Once the audience entered the room Dr. Frankenstien would go into his act about how he was going to bring his creation to life. He would walk over to the table with the monster a mention something about his "life's work". At the same time he would reach behind the table and activate the switch that would control the strobe and tape deck playing the sound of thunder (didn't know about color organs then!). This would cause the audience to look up. The "Dr." would then hit the second switch which would turn on the plasma balls and some other lab equipment (really just some boxes with colored lights) as well as the sound effects of equipment "humming". He would then push the two plasma arrangements together until they touched the two "electrode bolts" (what's the proper term for these anyway?) on the neck of the monster. Of course once the plasma balls touched these all of the electricity appeared to be directed into the monster. After a moment the monster would spring to life and chase the audience out of the room. It was a pretty neat effect. Hope this is clear enough and can give you some ideas. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 16:40:20 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 18:11:17 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Temporary maze in a pristine environment (was: I gotta place...) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com ScaryHouse@aol.com wrote: > <> If the walls were shorter than 8 feet, our guests might be inclined to > grab at the cables. > Hi Dan, If I had a floor plan of the building your working in I could help you lay it out, using the 60 degree method. jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 16:52:48 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 19:47:26 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-03 18:42:48 EDT, you write: << Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! I've got ScaryHouse Studio FRIGHTWORKS because it is an installation at a mall... this year. Next year it could be in a house, school, warehouse, storefront, etc., so I didn't want to name it Scar >> Hi great name. I like the word frightworks! Are you saying I could use this as well or are you just giving me an exsample? jerry From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 16:58:14 1997 From: Spookyfx@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 19:52:31 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: oops big mistake... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 97-05-03 18:43:31 EDT, you write: << don't mind getting .gifs if they are constructive, like yours, but I can imaging how this list would get with everyone sending maps to their houses for parties etc. Uuuggg!! If there *is* to be a graphics format for the list, my vote is for the .gif. Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL >> -------------------- jerrys response: I love gif format and it could help us all a LOT! Cant we setup a STRICT protocol for such pictures? By the way I just got my photos on floopy disk for $4.00 WHAT A DEAL I will post the gif of my phlexglue corps on my webpage! Yours ghouly Jerry - @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ ^v^ Esoteric Toys ^v^ (Creative, Not expensive solutions in special effects.) (No one ever got anywhere by being NORMAL!) Web page: http://members.aol.com/Spookyfx/index.html @ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ --'---,--',---@ From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 17:14:18 1997 From: mramius@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 17:08:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Alrightcha, you guys... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com IN>At 06:39 PM 5/1/97 -0700, you wrote: IN>> IN>>Hello, everyone. I am new to the list, obviously, but have been IN>>reading it over the shoulder of my friend for awhile now. IN>> IN>>Being a student of magic I am, of course, of the mind that magical stage IN>>effects and smoke and mirrors, if used in the proper setting, can blow IN>>away patrons at a haunted attraction. There is room for this kind of IN>>thing, and hopefully I'll be able to bring some of this to the list. IN>> IN>>I'll be talking to you guys. :) IN>> IN>>Marko IN>Hey Marko, IN> Your a student in magic, kewl. I'm allways putting togeather my IN>halloween parties, that allways have some interesting parts of magic in IN>them. Do you know where I can purchase full sized, STAGE illusions and IN>props for magic, at extreeeeeeeeeeemly low prices? IN>Thanx.. IN>Kel IN> -----------Fiber Optic----------- IN>http://www.inet-images.com/eq IN>________ IN>| ____ | IN>| \ / | "Free To Be, Who I am.." IN>| \ / | - GWM IN>| \/ | IN>''''''''''''''''''''''''' IN>--------------------------------------------------------- Kel, Unfortunately, I don't believe there is anywhere you can buy stage illusions for extreeeeeeeeeeeeemely low prices. :) The general feeling from the manufacurers is that you are buying the secret as well as the prop. so they have no qualms about charging $13,000 for a prop that's little more than $50 worth of wood. The best way to do it if you aren't really mechanically inclined is to buy the OLD props from a performer who has been using it for awhile and refurbish it. Otherwise, find on old bookstore and buy up the old 'Magic' and 'Genii' magazines. Both mags are still in print and contain good info, but are expensive (4-5 bucks a pop). Another reason to get the older mags is because the mags are now forums for manufacturers and don't print tooi many stage secrets anymore. Once you get your claws on some of the old books and mags... break out the tools and build it yourself!! The vast majority of solid-thru-solid illusions today are based upon a relatively simple idea known as the periscope. I'm sure you know what those are. Basically if you have a table top or whatever and mount mirrorrs in such a way as to direct the light AROUND what you are trying to hide, The audience can view the setup from almost any angle and still not see the mirrors. A rough diagram follows: From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 17:26:06 1997 From: mramius@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 17:20:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Alrightcha, you guys... To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Jerry, It's good to be among friends :) I will, of course not divulge the deep, dark secrets of the stage. If I do reveal secrets, they will either be my own, or be so old as to be a matter of public knowlege, provided the seeker knows where to look. I believe in the secrecy necessary to maintain the integrity of the illusions and their creators. In short, yes I will watch what I say :) Marko [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 17:38:38 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 17:35:21 -0700 From: Wil To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > the two "electrode bolts" (what's the proper term for these anyway?) on > the neck of the monster. Of course once the plasma balls touched these > all of the electricity appeared to be directed into the monster. After > a moment the monster would spring to life and chase the audience out > of the room. It was a pretty neat effect. > Hope this is clear enough and can give you some ideas. > > JD > jdolan@titan.iwu.edu What are plasma balls? -- Wil X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X Rest in Peace Death Lord '97 Topic Archives- http://www.silcom.com/~crafters/haloween.htm X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 17:44:50 1997 From: sao@mit.edu Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 20:40:28 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: oops big mistake... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Derek Schwab Sat, 03 May 1997 16:43:02 -0500: >> I sent a gif attachment to the list by mistake. > >That's not a problem for me, it helps us see what you are talking about. Well, the problem is that not everybody on the net uses compatable mail program. You can't make assumptions about what sorts of encoded binary enclosures people's mailers can automatically decode. Any binary (picture, sound, spreadsheet, whatever) appended to a mail message is going to be unreadable gibberish to many recipients. Also, they take up a heck of a lot of space in a mail message. If you've got a diagram you want everybody to be able to read, your best bet is to use (yes, I know it's crude!) ASCII characters to make a diagram. This works fine for fairly simple things like floor plans and diagrams of fog machines. If you have a picture you want to share with people, it's polite to announce that you have such a thing, and ask people to individually reply directly to you if they want a copy. Also, putting the picture on a web page makes it even easier to see. There are plenty of people on the list who would be happy to host pictures for list members...Me, for one! "That Pesky" Andy Oakland sao@mit.edu http://mit.edu/sao/www From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 17:46:32 1997 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 19:44:14 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Chainsaws Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, JB Corn wrote: (snip) > ............................ Other speakers were aimed at the roof, so > the sound would be blasted in all directions. For many years' customers > would exit, saying, "I never saw the chainsaw." All I had was the sound > and many others............ > Hey JB, Neat idea! Being both an operator and fan of haunts I personally feel that the obligatory "chainsaw ending scene" is getting a little old. But I must admit that the chainsaw seems to be an audience pleaser which is why we are doing a "twist" on the theme this year: If you live in an old house or ever been in one that was being remodeled you know that the walls are made of plaster that is held in place by wooden lath strips. If you removed the plaster only, you would be left with a wall of lath (thin strips of wood spaced approx. 3/8" apart). Now if you stand on one side of this wall with the lights out and have someone else stand on the opposite side, with a light source behind them, you will produce a very eery effect. The combination of backlighting and the lath will produce very strange shadows and hide any distinguishing features. Once the person moves the lighting will create very exaggerated movement effects. For our haunt we are going to build the same set up with the sounds of a chainsaw running and a victim screaming as if they are being hacked up. In reality there will be no chainsaw (only the sound of one) and only one actor waving a piece of wood around. The intention is to make the audience think they are actually witnessing a very gory scene without actually showing anything grafic. As JB pointed out, having their imaginations produce a mental image of something that isn't really there. This will also help when we get children going through since we won't have to cover up a gory set. We just won't play the sound effects in this situation. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:01:22 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 20:59:46 -0400 To: halloween-l@netcom.com From: ron byrd Subject: Chain Saws-Blood & Guts Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com I have to agree that chain saws are not only getting old but really don't have a place in a Haunted House. I mean, I've never read of a ghost using a chain saw. And if your Haunted House is built around a legend of some sort (unless, of course, it's the legend of Paul Bunion) chain saws were not even thought of. Now, if you are doing a Horror House or a House of Terror, then I guess chain saws are OK; but I do agree that their time has come and gone. I also don't think that blood and guts have a place in a Haunted House. Let lighting, sound effects, and the imagination do the scaring for you. If you set the stage properly, the audience will react like you want them to. Ron Byrd eireshade THE HAUNTED HOUSE ON FOXCROFT LANE Ron Byrd From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:11:41 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 20:07:13 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > I'm still waiyting to raise > the dead presidents for our trademark until I let it out :) > > Harry > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] Are you the guy who put Clinton in the White House;} From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:12:56 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 20:07:54 -0500 From: Gertrude Smith To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: A name by any other rose.... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com htraver@dreamsys.com wrote: > > I'm still waiyting to raise > the dead presidents for our trademark until I let it out :) > > Harry > [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] > [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] Are you the guy who put Clinton in the White House? ;} From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:14:11 1997 From: mramius@dreamsys.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:08:48 -0700 Subject: Stage illusions To: halloween-l@netcom.com Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com of course, the idea presented does not begin to scratch the surface as far as stage illusions go. The periscope idea is almost as old as stage illusion! Marko [ Sent From: Dreamscape Systems - dreamsys.com ] [ Location: Van Nuys, CA - (818) 781-7529 ] From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:21:27 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:16:10 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Temporary maze in a pristine environment (was: I gotta place...) Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 5/3/97 11:37:15 PM, JBCorn wrote: <> ********************************* Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! Wow, thanks for the offer, I actually have my layout all set. I was just demonstrating some of the obstacles I ran into to help illustrate some ideas I had in order to help another lister. What, however, is the 60 degree method? Something you developed, or common knowledge amoung the 'big gun' haunters? I can see where it would help with the flow better than the more boxy designs. Is it hinged? Or are there fabricated corners holding it together? Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:21:38 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:16:05 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: a name by any other... Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com Greetings from ScaryHouse Studio!!! It's an example of a name that sounds cool yet is non-descriptive enough to allow you a lot of leeway in creation from year to year. I'll try to come up with some others for you. It's kind of like picking a good band name... Happy Haunting!!! "Scary" Dan Gildea, ScaryHouse Studio, Box 15377, Rockford IL 61132, scaryhouse@aol.com From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:24:53 1997 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 20:22:20 -0500 (CDT) From: John Dolan To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Haunts...long Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com On Sat, 3 May 1997, Wil wrote: > What are plasma balls? Plasma balls are the lights you can buy at R.S., Spencers, etc. that have a globe and produce simulated colored lightning. When you touch the globe the "lightning" will move toward your finger. JD jdolan@titan.iwu.edu From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:38:50 1997 Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 20:33:09 -0500 From: JB Corn To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chainsaws Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com > In reality there will be no chainsaw (only the sound of one) and only think they are actually witnessing a very gory scene without actually > showing anything grafic. this will work frighteningly well, jbcorn From owner-halloween-l@majordomo.netcom.com Sat May 3 18:58:54 1997 From: ScaryHouse@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:52:48 -0400 (EDT) To: halloween-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Chainsaws Reply-To: halloween-l@netcom.com In a message dated 5/4/97 1:36:09 AM, you wrote: < showing anything grafic. >>